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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 6 · 3 years ago

5. Chaos at the Latin America Championships

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Welcome back everybody. My name is Jed we crew wall, and here I am today with Riley Hulbert. This is your tag team podcast. Welcome back. It's been a long week, but we're both really excited to be here and to be streaming tonight. I don't know about you, Riley, I'm very excited. Give me your thoughts. Dude, I'm so pumped. It feels like it's been longer than a week since we last talked. I feel like so much has happened in the last couple days and plus Brazil's right around the corner. It's just been like a hectic period of time for Pokemon. Yeah, for sure, and I'm going to be honest, like, as we're getting into this season, it seems like I've been more and more excited to start the show, like it's just been like I get anxious for Wednesdays. I'm like ready for it to be here, and it's finally here and it just feels like a big you know, like this is where I should be. Yeah, for sure, and there's so many things that are constantly going on with this past year in the metagame and with in both formats and, you know, with a new step right around the corner. It's only more crazy stuff to come. Honestly, for sure, I'm always like super hype to get into this format and kind of dive into what the game's been like lately. I've really, really enjoyed the game lately. Yeah, I would agree. It's been Super Fun. I think cosmic eclipse is really brought about a lot of new cards, a lot of new strategies, and I am very excite. We were talking about this before the stream or before the PODCASTS, about how we're really excited to watch the stream for this weekend in Latin America. I think it'll be really fun. I'm excited to see what people come up with and I think there are a lot of viable strategies that can go pretty far. Yeah, I think this format is going to be rife with all sorts of new sharities as well as old staples from the last format. Brazil's is going to be a crazy tournament, for sure. There's going to be a lot of stuff going on there that nobody could predict. For sure. We were making our list of decks that we wanted to hit on and it just it almost never ended. This is probably the longest list of viable decks that we may have ever had here on tag team. So we're going to try to dissect that. We're going to try to get through that tonight and give you guys kind of our overview, how we see the format and how we think Latin America International Championships are going to shape up. So, yeah, I don't we start with just a very brief, very very brief recap on expanded. Obviously that was the last tournament to happen in Portland. You happen to go to it. Why don't you give us your thoughts on just that metagame and you know how you did it in Portland. Yeah, the metagames kind of got this weird turn in a post Richmond world where vile plume really dominated. Vile flum did not do well in Portland, that's for sure. Yeah, and that's because a lot of people shifted their chatties, kind of exactly what we talked about last week. People addressed vile plum very heavily. There was a lot of the Guardi deck. Some of them even played garbodor. There was a lot of turbo dark with you know, some of them even play to we vials. Some of them played Niga, tyrannotars, like all sorts of crazy veriance of dark and they were like the most popular decks by a lot when you're out of them together, and I kind of run a lot of these typical control decks off the table, which opened up a new avenue for other decks to crop back up into the metagame. So it was definitely weird. And the way that's me, Jimmy and the six other people who played the Piggie deck kind of chose to approach, that is, Michael Fraymont to obviously a fellow full group member, is we wanted to control the metagame, but we wanted to also only have one prize to offer and we wanted to also be able to operate under power plant. So that's kind of where the Pigi deck came from, when Nona was an obvious inclusion there, and that's, I ended up being really, really...

...cool. Was Really Fun to play that. Mimic was a cool card. It felt like we were just like trying to get as much CEP as possible with a bunch of cards that have ever gotten CP before and like we never will again, and this is roll of that. It was. It was a really fun tournament. For sure. If you're interested all in like the in depth of the pigie deck, feel free to check out prams video on tricky Jim Prayers, really funny guy that. There's a lot of weird stuff going on that video. And then the deck. Yeah, it was a really funny video for yeah, yeah, if you want to see Pram, forget that he has no Gouzman as deck for twenty minutes. It's the video for you. I love for Ram, though. He's the best. So it's that was like our approach to the metagame and it was kind of the last Hurrah for a lot of these hand control cards that are going to get banned and overall, just a really fun tournament. The players were all super nice, super welcoming in the area. Everyone was extremely hyped up to be there. Yeah, I'm it also a huge shadow as well to all of my opponents and general players I met over the weekend, to express your support for tag team and what we do here. That's what it's all about, right. We try to deliver something awesome that you all can consume and learn about pokemon or just get enjoy the banter and just enjoy the feeling of being part of this community. So, yeah, thank you all who reached out. And Yeah, but overall, like this is a really interesting expanded format. A lot of a lot of shifts from Richmond and kind of shifts that we all saw coming as well. Right, and Zoro garb taking it all, I think, was the most surprising thing, but it wasn't sure shocking either. Right, I don't I don't think anyone is truly like, oh my gosh, or a guard one of the tournament, like right, right, exactly, like it's like it is aurk and expanded, like it will do well. It's and it's been around a long time. I feel like there are certain people like you and rob especially, like just just you knows or garb so well that you can just take it to any expanded tournament and just kind of do well with it. Has Answers to pretty much everything. Not Great answers to everything, but it does have answers to everything. So really well done, really well done by Ian. Nice call and he obviously played it very well. Yeah, definitely, definitely. And sadly, though, this expanded formats kind of out the window. Not only we're getting a new pack, so all sorts of new cards seeing out of the pool. But a ton of the cars that kind of defined this expanded at a game are getting outright band. Yeah, so I'm really interested just to what the next expanded format looks like and how deck shape up. Yeah, I think it'll be a complete shift. Besides, maybe like Zoro, garb and dark being mainstays. Yeah, for sure, I think Zoro groups stays. Search to me is the only card that I'm looking at in a post band world that says Oh yeah, this was, you know, very heavily played and I'm happy to see it go. I don't really think Mars shadow was that big of an issue. I didn't really see it cause probably I don't think it was in any of the top four dex in in Portland. I just I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm looking at it through the wrong lens, but I don't see many of the other cards being ban worthy other than maybe surge. But I think reset stamp opens up auto toxicity and I I'm not a I mean like, I don't think marsids a huge deal, but I think the Games is healthier without it and that's fair enough. And it like chip chip to it's like I don't see that as a huge deal, but honestly, for it to be gone, it really nerves a lot of these control decks. So it'll be interesting to see how expanded shapes up post bands. Moving on. Definitely moving on to Laei. I mean this is going to be the major topic of today's episode. There are just a ton of decks, Riley. What have you been testing that you really like talk to me about? Just some things that kind of stand out to you about this new metagame? Yeah, I have been a little bit starved on testing time, I'm not going to lie, compared to what I would normally want for a new set release. Usually I get a lot of games. In Portland kind of throws a rent in that, and people who went to both Portland...

...and Richmond, I feel I think they're really feeling the burn right now because they had to prepare for both of those events and now have Brazil coming up and if you're putting the adequate time and all of those that kind of you have to like crunch every single one and do a couple days right. So, however, that being said, there are a couple decks that really stand out to me in this format, and I think the first one, and this is one that everybody's well aware of, is just going to be piggy. I think you just have to be able to eat piggy. The player deck in this format, the pitgy deck, is insanely strong, a strong has ever been. And some people have been like wishywashy and how some of the cards have like change the deck and like what counts actually are going to be played? Maybe cue being, I like, a debatable card as well as Belva and Brysonman be kind of a debatable card. Some people say that the Brysonman is kind of like a windmore thing and it's only the only play it when you already got a lock off. Sure, and that's like kind of true, but I think it misses out in some key points. A let's piggy finish games a lot faster, like almost ridiculously. So pidgies easily a best of one biable deck now where really wasn't before. Sure, but also it removes resources from the game from your opponent, whether that be like limiting their bench with a second effect or just this removing key resources by milling them randomly. Yeah, it's something that, frankly, can't go understated. I would agree on. It only has a couple good cards left and you start milling a lot of their deck every turn, is more than likely you'll start hitting those important cars and they'll have less and less outs to win the more you use below on recement. Yeah, it can be really oppressive and I think one thing that you touched on to that certainly I've started to learn about the card is just how how impactful discarding off your own bench can be. Discarding the articun no to make room for, you know, another pigey, discarding the GERACI's like when you just don't need them anymore to, you know, make more room on your bench, is so huge and it really disrupts the opponents as well. Very interesting card. I expect that card to in pigey decks. I've been seeing people play one, but in my personal testing I think like to, possibly more, is going to be the standard. I could see even going to three, because the The Times where you have surge and then a double Beltleba Bryson man is like so insane it's so hard to comprehend. We've better as ridiculous. We've never seen discard six before. We've seen discard for right durant was around in what twenty eleven, and we've seen, I don't know, other mill cards. You know, team rockets handywork comes to mind, but I mean he team markets handywork. Average is to right, right. That's what I'm saying exactly, you know, and like and on, and that's on average. Like they'll be a lot of periods of times we just get zero cards from multiple turns in a row. Yep. And like the higher roll of getting for is like barely better than all which can just do it naturally right, get free, right, right. That they like tried to like nerve it a little bit by saying you also discard three, but it's hardly a NERF and a deck like pidgey where you just can a wrangueru everything back in. Yeah, plus in Pidgey you're either using it late game when you have no cards a deck, or using it kind of mid game, right when you want cards out of your deck, so you can get to know cards in your deck. Right. So it kind of just helps and all over Sall, really aards. It's insane. It is crazy. Wild and wild card any other cards that you're seeing that just kind of stand out to you as being maybe format defining or tournament defining or early format, you know, standouts in Pidgey, not necessarily, but I think as we start to talk about more of these other decks,...

...a couple cards that will come up often are chaotics well being one of them. Kotos well, often paired with Keldeo, but often just used on its own. It's just the ultimate blank stadium. I have for years people have said, Oh, you know, if I could just play a blank stadium card that did nothing but take up the stadium slot, I would do that. Sure, and you know we had field blower for a while which kind of like mitigated that need. But canucks well as to blank stage if they're right, is it? You're right? Yeah, absolutely. It's crazy. It's so good and like I mean, in this past format, the unified minds format, the decks were pretty reliant on their stadiums. Like pream really need a thunder mountain when it needed it, though, fired dex all really need a giant earth to go off when they needed it. ultraspace is key to a lot of decks engine. It's I mean we're gonna have to see a huge shift in the way that deck starts fundamentally approached because of chaotics, well, changing how stadiums are valued. Yeah, for sure, absolutely. You see that to the chaotic S. Well, it is kind of buffs some other cards, most notably Kell. Theo Keldo was easily able to be played around last format because people would just play the power plant and bont be able to one shot it. Now, if the Kell deal player plays not a chaotics, well, they obviously can't do that same strategy. There's a little bit of work around that you can do with like maybe a Mar Shadow resetting hole on your band get rid of the Catos well and then put your own power plane down, but that's like another step and it just complicates things even more. So Kell the obviously getting a big buff and that, you know, kind of leads us into like maybe one of the most interesting decks of our new format in ATP. We have a question from Jason and the chat. He says is ATP Tier One or the new gatekeeper deck. What are your thoughts on ATP? ATP as a Decka I'm kind of conflicted on because I think at its core it has a really good strategy behind it it. Yeah, you know, you just pop the gx attack early and you accelerate energy onto the board and then he's swing with with that. Sorry, Keldeosn article knows over and over and over again. Sure, and it's really hard for a lot of x to deal with that. And you know, taking extra prizes gives it a pretty good ability to deal with one prize decks and trade favorably into those. And also, you know, just seating extra prize can really matter versus a lot of matchups. For example, versus Green Charts alread, you only have to Ko at charts art and of Vulcanian, sure, or you can Ko to today's against the Dedanna heavy deck and not even touch the main attacker. Sure, it's like there's a lot of things that that seem right for it on paper, but I think in practice it falls a little short of my expectations and maybe that's maybe that's my own personal fault and like the faults of like the testing group and not building it properly. But I like I haven't seen it yet. I haven't been convinced yet, and I the thing is, I kind of want to be, because I think the card is really cool and I think the strategy is really cool for sure, and I tend to get in these modes where I just really want to be convinced by a deck and I'll push it and push it and push it, like it's is not even worth it. But I just I haven't really got it, got the fire fully lit under me for ATP yeah, and I'm not quite sure what the problem is. I think it's just like a little too consistent and like that turn that you have to Gx, I think is really if you can do that turn for like free, yeah, it's you win usually, but if you like get smacked and you can't heal it, then you probably lose. Yeah, I was just going to say there's a big struggle with that deck in terms of the timing. I find where you have to take a turn to GX and you have to hope that that is your second turn, like sometimes that sometimes that's not, you know, even your first turn. Like you have to hope that you...

...get that by your second turn if you go first, and sometimes that doesn't happen. So like you have to wait another turn. But then so it takes a turn to attack, it takes another turn you know attack with the gx. It takes another turn to swing to accelerate your board and then it takes like more turns to start hitting. Like you'd never take a one shot on anything, except for the you know you don't take one shots on tag teams. I guess as well. I'm trying to say you don't take one shots on tag team. So now the turns, you know, two, three or they can start healing. Things can go really, really wrong with your strategy. I don't find the ATP has the tools that it needs. I don't think Keldeo is the big threat that everyone wants it to be. A kind of slows that game down in the late, later stages, but I feel like it's not enough, right, because you have to swing. With ATP. You're giving up three prizes and then you usually sack like a GERACI. Are you play at Adenne, and then all the opponent has to do is go through one Keldo, which I don't think is that big of a deal for a lot of decks. So zero. I mean there are plenty of games for you know, they knock out a GERACI, they knock out an ATP and they knock out at Dednne and that's six prizes right right. It doesn't even need to look at the Caldeo exactly. I mean there are decks that like don't play Dednn a. But again, like you're probably putting, I've seen a lot of lists that played GERACI. So at that point you're already putting four prizes on the board just for the opponent to have. So figuring out that last you know, those last two prizes, it may be difficult, but usually I found a lot of decks can do it. So I'm not so buy on ATP. I just don't like the power level. It can't one shot anything. It doesn't really have. It has a lot of attacks that can be played around pretty easily and one of the biggest counters to ATP for a lot of these tag team decks is one of our other allstar cards from cosmic eclips Malow and Lama. Yeah, and I was actually something I wanted to loop into right as we were talking about ATP, because it also uses the tag team engine. Yeah, but it's also weak against it, kind of like because the damage is Solo. But definitely like I think, maybe even the most impressive cards in this this pack is block is the is the tag team engine, the tag call Cynthia Kitl and Malo and Lana conglomerate. I guess that you can throw into all these tag team decks. I am really, really impressed by that. The tag call, I mean tag call, is just a phenomenal car. That card is insanely good. Being able to grab a pokemon and a supporter, even if that supporter is not the single best supporter in the world. Just being able to do that is really good, right. But then now Alana also is just a really good supporter, you know, against both for and against ATP healing. That one twenty is is huge mass. It's mass and that's it's kind of putting a strangle hold on these two shot strategies. You know, if, let's say, you swing with the Kel Dao into a gx, if they if they mow a lot of that's one hundred and twenty out of one for you. The damage, right, that's not even two spotting and opponents Kell Theo anymore. So Yeah, Mal a Lana, I think a lot of people were knew it was good. We all knew it was a good card. You know, we weren't completely ignorant, but I think we were, I don't know, like not deceive it's not ignorant, but we didn't realize that it would be as good as it was as the metagame developed. Especially the switch effect is good. Healing is good, it's is everything about is good, for sure. For sure, we'll see how it impacts Latin America International Championships this weekend. I'm excited. That's one of the bigger cards. I think that should make a pretty significant impact. I would not be surprised to see it in, you know, half of the top eight decks. So looking ahead, we've talked a lot about ATP. Kind of...

...are pretty low on it between the two of us. It's definitely wouldn't be in my definitely wouldn't even be in my top five, I think, if I were going this weekend. Let's talk about some other decks. We have some of our favorites. We have listed here are Piggioto, baby blounds and mew two. Do you want to give some overview as to kind of what you think those have to offer that make them the best in the format? Yeah, sure, we already talked quite a bit about piggy. I don't think there's a lot that needs to be said. I think also a lot of you listening to this probably also have heard about piggy and other places and how good it is in this format. It's kind of like it's just kind of the echo chamber that we have going into this format is that piggies really good. So I don't even harp on that forever. Baby blounds. I think what makes maybe equal blounds good good is not that it's like an inherently amazing deck, because I it's like it's just a it's like an okay to heck. I'm not a huge fan of it, but it's a one prize deck that one shots and has inherent draw on the pities and those like, especially in a format that looks to be building up to be tankier and with these big, big boys. Very Long. No, Malamars also kind of getting hated out by the worsening matchup against piggy and the worst matchup now against all the tag team decks that are playing Malin Lana, which completely nullified turn of Garotina. So basically every turn that you play Maltin Lana is a turn they didn't attack with Malamart right, which is just crazy. So malamore's getting hated out, which is exactly what baby blessed upon wants, because that's the worst matchup by far and it can just creep back into the Meta game and one shot a bunch of gx has, which seems pretty good to me. I don't know, I think that. I think there's a lot to be seen there. I don't know if the deck will be popular, but I think it's a decent pick going into La. I see. Yeah, interesting, interesting thoughts there. We have kind of one one deck that I want to touch on a little bit is just mew two. I think that deck stays relevant, extremely relevant, and we just look at the sheer number of options that me two has, which is what made it the best, I can format last format. I think it maintains that status even with cards like mimic you coming out. I don't think players have really understood how to utilize mimic you other than in Guarantino decks, Guarantina Malam our decks. So maybe he's a little bit hard because how do you place the damage counters? Maybe you have like shrine or something to do that, but really I haven't seen any lists that play shrine and mimic you. I digress. Mus Too, I believe as long as mimic isn't played, stays, you know, Tier One, absolutely just a ton of options. I would agree with her. I would agree with that assessment. On Pigi, probably no need to go into it even more. The surge, double, Double Bell Elbow Bryson Man is absolutely insane. And then maybe blond's. Of course, one shots everything, probably the closest deck that we have on the list of being like a glass cannon because it can just pop off to an extreme degree. Yeah, so we I didn't want to on me too a little bit. MOWBER MEWTWO is a stadium reliant deck, which might be harmful going to this format, but I think me too has two things that go for it really well. It one shots really easy. The three hundred damage is crazy. We've seen some adplist play helmet, but there's not like a good way to starch out the helmet. Even so it barely feels like it matters to me. And then there's just a lot of good options. Me To can one shot a lot of things with the cargo. It can to shot with turbo striking, a something else. And then also, even though it's a stadium reliant deck, which I touched on earlier. It can play Mar Shadow incredibly easily. Can even play two if it really wants to. You know, I think we've gone beyond an era or like Waba fects, even a consideration. So...

...sure, I think you two just stay as a top dog and it's actually one of the top decks that I would pick in this tournament. Cool, moving past probably, you know, we would say those three decks. I would agree like Piggioto, baby bloonds me to some order. Those are probably just good decks. Like people should be Piggioto me two people should probably be prepared to face those baby blounds. Is just a seems like it's well positioned going into this metagame of tankiness like we just mentioned. Now let's turn to some popular pics. We were talking before the podcast about the Latin American metagame, which, you know, it's just different than what Americans are used to write. I mean it's the same thing as like going over to Europe. They have a different metagame, or it's the same as going over to Australia, like every place that you go kind of favors different decks. Be That for just, I don't know, the local metagame there. They prefer having more or less fun. It's cheaper to get those cards. You know somebody good like they're they're their regional best player just plays this one archetype, like, whatever it is. There's some reason that certain archetypes are favored in different places. So what are some popular picks that you would say to a fellow American going to Latin America this weekend to be prepared for? I think the main things I would look to as being popular would be ATP, which we've talked quite a bit about. Malamar in my experience was is very popular in Latin America. It was played all over the place last year. I la I see. I expect that to be somewhat similar this year, especially because now marks getting some hike going into this format. And also Greens ard has repeatedly topped and one events in Latin America this year where it has not really performed incredibly well after world's anywhere else in the world. So I expect that train to continue. I expect Greens ards to shift more towards bracin breaks, in Chars ared, sure, but I do expectenzard to be a popular pick and in Latin America, just based on the historical precedent that they have set from the rest of the tournaments this year. Cool. Yeah, I mean, what more to add? I mean that that was a really great summary of just it's different, right, it's different wherever you go, wherever you go, it's going to be a little bit different than what you're used to be prepared out there. It's a little scary world outside of outside of America, I often find so, yeah, not in general, not in general. That wasn't a general statement. Just I know it's pokemon. It's like, come on, sense the bookmon world it is is like nerve racking and who's completely formed Atta Games that approached the game. It just fundamentally different way because you don't write like maybe what works really well in your area just doesn't even make sense in a different area as a Bible option exactly, and that's certainly a thing. I did want to ask. How we talked before the podcast about these decks we expected to be popular and we alluded earlier that like Malamar, maybe isn't in the best spot ever right now. Can you elaborate more on Malamar? You said you were testing it a little bit going to this format. How's it feeling to you, either good or bad? And why? Yeah, I mean it just kind of gets kept, gate kept by ATP. I just find that ATP with a lot of these one prize decks, and specifically Malamar, that's, you know, a little bit slower to get going. Doesn't ever one shot. It just has a bunch of problems there with a DP. So Malamar's success will depend on how good a DP is, I feel. And Yeah, I also feel like it kind of has a bad matchup against pidgey. Mew Two is winnable for sure, but like there's a couple of bad matchups of decks that we expect to be popular. So I think Malam Oars just gate kept by ATP. And so...

...if ATP succeeds, Malamar will surely decline. Yeah, I mean Malmar definitely takes a rough matchup to ATP. I mean it's what does the even supposed to do? They completely ruins the point of the deck when he started taking multiple prizes as at once. And I also think Mala Lana is really bad for Malamar. Right, every time of your point of place, Mala Lana, you just gay like so mean closer to Roud. I was just going to say they just negate your whole strategy. Right, generally speaking, you're going to go up against these tag team decks. You're going to try to too shot the TAG team decks. If you have one of your whole attacks like negated, you just basically lost that turn and now they're continually knocking you out. It can be rough with Malo launabas decks. Oh, we lost you there. Riley's fine. Right, my laptop camera dos doesn't agree with me on the road. Well, fair enough, fair enough, we got to get back to back to the old days. But so moving on here the rogue threats. So we talked about our best choices, maybe our favorite choices, heading in, popular picks that we think the local metagame might center around. And then now let's go into the rogue threats that maybe have them been talked about, or our kind of dark horses heading into the tournament. I think one of those big ones that we just haven't talked about, we've left it out, is guardivore. Now guardivore seen a ton of success in, you know, world's format. Just a very good kind of counter deck. Right, you can play all the fairy charms, you can counter me, you two, you can counter, I don't know whatever, all dragon pokemon. Now you can counter just a bunch of things right. You can counterpeak around. When that was that was a big matchup. So guardivore seems well poise, but maybe not, you know, a tier one deck. It's definitely under the radar heading into La. I see any thoughts on where you think a deck like guardivore what kind of splashes that can make this weekend? Yeah, I mean, I think Guardivar is good against ATP if it can deal with the CALDEO's. I think it's more or less fine against like new too. It's fine against Malamar. PIGGY is a really bad matchup. It's so is baby blounds, which make me nervous to play play already. That's just such a Meta and a deck as well, and usually I think going into these ices it's better to play a Meta neutral deck. Sure, absolutely, absolutely, because it's so wide open. It's so wide open that you just never know, right, you never know what you're going to see, and that's probably the worst metagame for a deck like guardivore. We also look at another rogue threat. There are things like peak ram I would say, as a rogue threat just because it's kind of fallen off in terms of viability. We've talked about a little bit chaotics well, being pretty tough to deal with for a peak around player. If you can lay down a chat as well. Well, all of a sudden one of the biggest tools in your deck in thunder mountain is just instantly negated. We also talked about a little bit about dollstall. That has been a deck I've seen a ton on the ladder online. I it feels like maybe one out of every three games I'm playing against some deck that plays a doll in it. And then what's had? That's ridiculous. I know it's actually a little bit crazy. I don't know what's happening. And then, finally, I think there's some merit to playing a gx bless cephalon deck. I've been testing that a little bit. I think I like where it is right now. If the METAGAME SHIFTS TO CENTER ENTIRELY AROUND TAG teams, which I expected to do, then let's cell on seems like a really good choice for this weekend. Do you have any thoughts on what we've listed as rogue threats, being Guardie Peek, Aram, the doll stall or bliss cephalon. Yeah, I kind of touched on Guardi a little bit already. But Peka Ram, I think we call it...

...or rogue threat, and I think that's mostly because it's unexpected right now. I don't think the deck is actually like, I mean, besides the fact that I hate the deck and think it's terrible, I don't think it's actually bad for this tournament. I think the people, the thing that made people really afraid to play Pete Aram was the low puney and I think low puney has been overall underwhelming and hasn't been as ubiquitous as people think it is. Like I don't even think you actually really need to change the way peak Aram is fundamentally built to make it a viable choice in this format. I think you can just you can legit, just like take a unified minds list into it a cosmic eclipse tournament and you'll probably do. Okay, that's ridiculous, a good doll, I think. I think it's a worst deck than piggy at what it as far as like being a stall deck, but I think it takes says like a different match of spread, like there are some decks that all just can't beat but then it has decks that just can't beat it as well, whereas piggies like, I feel like anything can be piggy, it just randomly here and there, sure, whereas like the dolls are like impossible to overcome for some other decks, for sure. And I don't have a ton of thoughts on gx blow, but I was curious. Are you building it currently with like the island challenge ambulant version, or are you building it more in the lines of how we've seen it and you'd find minds format? What are your thoughts and like how big blown should be played? I mean I tried like a heavier line of island challenge amulet. I do feel like it's a good card, but I had it at to to try to prove the concept. I think one is just fine. It seems like you draw through enough of your deck that you can usually get to it, and oftentimes it's not even that bad to play leg game on like a Dednni or something like that. So I'm just down to the one. I think the list, generally speaking, is basically the same. I've cut back on stadiums because, as we've been talking, chaotics well, is just a huge thing. So, like if they get a chaotics, well then your stadium is basically useless. So I've tried to steer away from stadium usage to set up. Other than that, I mean I just think the deck functions just about the same that it did, you know, in the world's format. But now why it would be a better play is if there are more tag team decks, let's felon can just feast. Do you think we's Cephalon has an ability to deal with ATP or do you think Caldeos it's too hard to deal with? I think it does. So there's a few different text that you can do. Well, the main strategy against a Keldo is to try to two shot it with your Niganadel. Like the optimal way to win against ATP is to knock out an ATP as your first prize is so you go down to three prizes and then attach your beast energy to an Aganadel and one shot there Kel Deo and then take another prize somehow. Yeah, that often isn't that easy right. A lot of times they'll sack a GERACI waiting to power up an ATP, so you have to take a draci prize or you like burst gx or something like that. And then and then you know you have to find a way to go through the last Keldo. You have to like two shot with a beast energy rights. You do eighty damage to it with turning point and then you attach a beast energy on your next turn and then, do you know, the two shot. That's often pretty hard because if they play healing of any sort then that strategy goes out the window. So what I've been trying in my list is to play an ultra forest cartain Voy to get around the Kel deal because again, you only really need to go around one. You take a burst knockout and or a GERACI knockout, you take an ATP knockout and then you just have to go through one Kel deal. So if you can use ultra forest cartin boy on that turn that you need to go through. I know it sounds so ridiculous saying it right, but if her name is ridiculous, I don't is cartain void like somebody in the the game? I didn't play this series of games, so I don't...

...know who carton boy is. I I think it is. He's like he lives in like the ultra forest story or sonic I'm from, I think. So okay, so ultra space has other humans in it. Ultra space is like it's the whole thing is kind of bizarre. But like ultra spaceicly, like the like the hyperspace, kind of like tube almost. Okay, connect all these ultra like dimensions and there's like there's like the ultra forest, there's the ultra like canyon. I think, like a bunch of different Lance Games. Okay, your lost me, like man. Yeah, okay, well, okay, back to back on topic. Ultra forest, carton boy, I just find you know, you play that, you can just swing right through a Keldeo take your last two prizes. So that is what I've been testing with, experimenting with. Theoretically should work. I think it'd be fine. You just got a grip it for the for the late game against ATP rather than that. I mean you got pretty good matchups against, you know, potentially guardy like you could tech for that right. You can just play a couple of play a couple of lysander labs to get around that, or maybe like a Heatran or something. You can beat things like Kram if you play am you you can beat things like dollst okay, so stall decks are kind of hard. So the tech for stall decks is to play a Stinger Niganadel. So you take them down to three prizes each and try to go win from there. Try to take three knockouts. Arc Be string, and if you have the string, you lose the doll stall. Right Y, you'll beat higgy. Yes, yes, so that would be an exact match of where doll stall is actually better suited to beat, you know, a deck than piggy. Yo. Yeah, thank you so much for the follow been. They're done. that. I maybe I should have disabled all these notifications for this. I'm so sorry. Well, no, next time. There's a lot of things where like Seri is a novice. No, no, it's like hosting. You just a lot of things you just don't think about, right, yeah, you don't think about your novice at the hosting the podcast and I was in general. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So so anyway, yeah, I like Blessuflon. I think it has a lot of options, decent type car or decent coverage against a lot of things and it has a good drawing Jin in Againa L gx. So that kind of feels like a sleeper threat to me and I expected to see, you know, some success this weekend some of the flops that we have here on the list. I'll talk about it. If you're watching Andrews Stream, you saw this deck get obliterated every time it was on. But rest you rom not seeming like the powerhouse deck that that it should be. Right. You think, okay, I can do two hundred and seventy turn after turn. It's going to be so fun, it's could be so easy, I'm going to blow everything out of the water. Doesn't really happen that way. What are your thoughts on Ressirom? I really don't like it that I'm not gonna lie. It's it's cool, you know it's it's got cool cards, it's got cool attack names, sure, but it just feels to me like a three pies of the stuff on that doesn't even do three hundred damage. Sure, like it can't even Ko at ATP which is really sad. Sure, absolutely itself the King of Kou itself. So like I don't see the point in ever playing it. You know, if you're already playing kind...

...of a welder accelerate and I can a l deck. Then you should just play blounds and I don't think the end version is very good. So yeah, and I don't like the deck at all. Yeah, I think it's I think it's a Dune. Reminds me a lot of when we had lost world decks with gang a and mew prime back when they said, Oh, this deck is going to be so good, you know it's going to warp the whole format, and then we got it and it ended up just being very bad and, you know, never really seeing any of those big placements that everybody thought it was going to have. So restaurant definitely a stinker. How about dark box? Dark box is one of those decks that I've been testing. It seems like it should get a lot better. With red and blue right, you play for red and blue and your deck obviously that card allows you to search your deck for an evolution, play the evolution and then attached to energies from your deck to that evolution. So you're thinking, okay, this is the acceleration and the search that we've death spritly wanted in a deck like dark box. Any thoughts from you, Riley, on dark boxes position in the metagame and maybe why it isn't doing so well right now. I really don't have a ton of thoughts, besides the fact that that dark box guy cracks me up. But I mean realistically, I don't think the deck is any really better position than it was before. Yeah, I read and blue. It kind of feels like it needs to valley on board to work because you're discarding so much to not really do a ton. And if it too with me, the way it feels to me is like dark box needs to do a lot every turn. Sure, and if you're red and Blueing, you're not doing that much in a turn, if that makes sense. Sure, you're just kind of getting an evolution out. So if you don't have the rest of your board, a stable wished because he need multiple evolutions and you need to Gx and play to attack with all this sort of stuff. So if you're only read and blueing that turn without like a Sa Valley or something else in play, it starts skill little shaky and so like maybe the weighted and people, I've seen people try and do like work around that by doing more of an ultraspace Agnolo gx kind of heavy version all seeing plays value version. At the end of the day, I just I just don't think it's like that phenomenal of a deck. Sure, but it'll always live on in my heart as I can really fun deck that I enjoy playing. Absolutely not a deck I would take to if I was in Brazil. I probably wouldn't even bring my dark cards. That's so sad. Sorry, Tyler, I'm so sorry, ty truly. Well, yeah, I mean that was a really good overview, Riley, of what we expect to see in Brazil this weekend. To reiterate our top three choices. I think we're pretty unanimous on this, just in terms of power level. Pidgey, mew two, the staple mewt and baby blounds. Those feel like the three decks that I think I could flip a coin and you know, whatever landed on like, I would take one of those three days. Obviously not a okay, roll a die, right, a die has more than two sides. Okay, I digress. I could roll a die, pick any of those and be perfectly fine heading into whatever metagame. It's just going to be a very fun tournament. We've gone over ten, fifteen decks tonight and a lot of them could make a deep run. So any hot takes that you want to give before we finish this episode? Off? Riley, I don't think I honestly, I don't think I have any especially hot takes. I think probably the hottest take that I have is I think new two is still a really, really good choice going into this tournament. But I think how hot that take is there's depends on the group that you're asking, because I think some people are like a little like in the cue, like a little honey, like they're just gonna they're just going to ruin your day and you two...

...sucks of well back. And then there's people like me who just like freaking love me too, and yeah, you know I'm going to do three hundred and you did. So that's probably the hottest take honestly have, and I honestly I think I've been. This is like my transparent thoughts that just those decks that we think from the beginning are very good are the ones I think are currently very good. Right, and if that ends up being wrong or something crazy develops, then I oldest except that I was that was wrong going into this. Right, absolutely cool. Well, let's open it up to the chat here. We have a few questions here in the chat. Let's see. Have you guys talked about why mew box is falling out of the metaw Riley, want to take this one? Yeah, I kind of was alluding to that previously. I don't think it's really falling out in terms of it's Meta by ability, but I think the public opinion of it has declined due to mimic you being a car that exists even if it's not played. Its existence alone kind of scares people, and Megaoponey being a card that exists for the similar reasons. Sure. Absolutely. What are the types of doll stalls that you've seen? I personally have seen on the ladder just straight doll stall. It'll play like floorages and munch lacks. I've also seen one that plays floors book, which is a very interesting hit and run mechanic. You can load up a couple energies and do sixty a turn. So maybe put a little bit of pressure while you're retreating into the lily's pokey doll. Pretty interesting. I'm excited to see how that deck kind of evolves. Maybe there's a doll type deck that works with hit Mon Chan Allah Don Fhan of years past. We have a oh, go ahead, God, I was just going to say. I think currently, in the way I would play it is just that simple. GERACI Lily's pokey doll forlorges deck. I wouldn't try and spice it up with an attacker. Sure. So somebody here asks, what do you think is looking good for the expanded metagame next form? I know that's not really on topic, but we will take that question. What is looking good and expanded next format, Riley? Any guesses? I thinks are our just stays good. Yeah, I it's like control is kind of gone. You have the iris now to deal with dark. It just it feels just kind of like the deck to play. And so maybe because or garb is so good, other decks start to increase him play, like Pika Ram starts to see more play or whatever else. But I think the or guard was kind of the Meta definer. Sure, be Heem, people are saying in the chat, seems good. What what kind of kept be Heem from being a strong contender last format, because I know it certainly wasn't like a teer one option. You maybe could have slotted in and as at a low tier too. Do you think Behem has any traction. Traction might be an overstatement, but be him is another deck that really benefits from Lily's pokey doll. So instead of like right now, be him's in this place where pre cosmic your clips, where you just have to kind of either you have like the little and nine tails and kind of win, which you know you would probably win whether or not you play to be him and your deck sure, or your kind of stacking prizes every turn and hoping the itemlock gets you there, and the Lily's Pokey do all kind of circumvents that because there's no gust besides eon in this format, which should be fair. The fion is kind of annoying. For pokied all right, but you just had the set too up. So it's like it's fine, yeah, if you get two dolls in the board, doesn't matter. But then the flip side of that is that you know you can't. You can't really guess anyway. But without...

...fion versus the doll. So with that, with item lock at least, so you're guaranteed at least one or two extra turns of attacking without giving up a prize, which I think is really, really relevant for Behm. So right. I think it's probably better. It's it's it's just not a dect I would play. It feels really the lock is kind of inconsistent. So cool. Yeah, I don't think anymore used to be said than it just kind of in consistent. Yeah, fair enough. All right. Well, that that seems like a really good over you in the of the metagame. Riley. Thank you again for being here. You you are all the way in California. Yeah, yeah, Sunny California. Actually dark outside now because it is getting late, but yeah, it's it's been awesome to you. Thank you for having me. Well, this is great. We'll get all our technical issues worked out for next week when you're back home safe and sound. Thank you, guys all, for joining us. Stick around later for Pokemon after dark my own personal stream. I'm going to get right on that. So, guys, just take your time, take a little, you know, drink sip of that Nice, ice cold water that I know that you have here. Stay hydrated, people, and I'll be right. Badgrated, always hydrated. Thank you, guys, for for watching tag team and we'll see you next week.

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