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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 7 · 3 years ago

6. Pure Flames from Latin America

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All Right, what is that? Everybody? Welcome back to tag team. I'm your host, Riley Hulbert, joined by my good friend and the most recent regional championship on this podcast, Jw Crew Wall, JW. How you doing today? I'm doing great, Riley. How are you? I'm doing pretty well, man, I'm doing pretty well. I was on like a travel odyssey, it felt like, for multiple weeks in a row and I'm finally back in my apartment for at least the two monks. You didn't give me any notice, Bro I well, it was like well established in chat where I was going and when I know, I just I miss I'm missing. Yeah, you definitely missed that one. It's all right, though. So we're back in town, we're having a good time, and I mean last weekend was a pretty important weekend and in the pokemon season, would't you say? Absolutely. The first international's happened in Brazil last weekend and it was the first big tournament with celestial storm and format. selectial star has been legal for a while, dw. Yeah, but the first like big tournament are not selecials. Are Our cobm your clips come, yeah, cause I was like cees, yeah, or whatever see, but it's Ce see, of course, but my brain is it's okay, man. Yeah, so cosmic ECLIPS has burst out of the scene and honestly, it's had a pretty big impact on on the game. As we're seeing it, a lot of old favorites are still showing up strong, but quite a few either new or heavily modified decks are also entering the fray and I thought it was really exciting tournament from start to finish, seeing how things developed and what people's perspectives were into this new metagame. Yeah, it was pretty interesting. I mean we saw a lot of things that I were surprising to me, I will say. You know, we talked a lot about ATP last week and just that was a big surprised just how big it was. And then we saw things that just decks that we hadn't even conceived of. I think particularly of the way that dollstall was constructed. I think just the ways that they incorporated some of the cards was a little bit different than what I was used to seeing. And then also Niganadelle guest Lord kind of bursting out of the scene as a new archetype was really exciting. Yeah, so there was a ton of different things that happened this weekend and frankly, I think we should just start from the top and we can work our way down and then we can kind of take a look at our expectations versus the reality and kind of compare how that panned out. So sure, in the end the top dog, the champion of La. I see what's Robin Schultz, former world champion and now an international champion with turbo rush. He's are a Dec I think a lot of people were not prepared for horror for this event or wrote off going into this event. The loss of giant hearth, not necessarily the loss, but the the power of chaotics swell over your billion. Yeah, Tull, giant hearth definitely scared a lot of people away, especially since there is already a mindset that abilities artist kind of inconsistent, has problems and all sorts of different ways. But I mean really, Robin made that deck look beastly in the end, with welders all over the place, tons of damage hitting the board very quickly. What are your thoughts on ability? Rest? She's are hardw I mean I think it's cool. I think it's very much a high roll deck. Not to take anything away from Robin's performance, but I will say that I took his exact deck list to a league challenge last night and went to to and one of my wins was a by and so so it just felt, you know, throughout the rounds that I played it and you know, obviously just as the deck as I've played the deck throughout the season, because I have played in a few other events this season. It just if you hit the welders early and you can welder onto an appropriate target, you feel like the world's your oyster and if you don't do that then things become very, very difficult. So really strong deck choice, I felt like for the metagame. I think it definitely handles ATP, which was a surprisingly high amount of the field, and then you know, it also has pretty positive matchups against stall decks, has decent matchups against you know, just things like Malamar and and even has a decent match up against me two. So I thought it was just a great deck choice all around for that event. Looking ahead, I don't know if it would necessarily be the best, but I mean Robin did a great job. He high rolled obviously well enough and got it done. Yeah, yeah, no doubt it was a very strong deck choice for Robin. I will say I echo the sentiment that the deck is kind of High Rollie. Your hots with that deck are insanely hot and your colds...

...are very cold. Is usually what I what I find, and I think the reason that you experience that is because if you hit the water early, you're drawing cars and you're drawing into the next welders, but if you're whipping water is you're not drawing cards. Is Effectively. So, yeah, he's it harder to find the subsequent ones right. Right. It can be hard to chain right, because usually you like you either go welder into Dedenne or vice versa, and then off of that you find the other piece and then the next turn you do the same thing, and so and then you build up these massive hands and then you can, you know, attach for turn and Gust and do all these cool things, but you miss things like attached it for turn. Well, yeah, and the other thing I found, too, was when I played, when I played the deck yesterday, like just how important that Geraci is. Being able to kind of hide behind Geraci in the first few turns set up a board that the games that I lost I didn't see a GERACI for the entire game, like it wasn't even that that, you know, draw you didn't give me anything because I didn't even start Drachi. I didn't draw into draws. You off welder's like Drashi was a huge part of the success of the deck, just to be able to change those pieces. That then a and welder and all the other things that you need to make that deck work. So, you know. So we'll see. I don't know that the deck changes anything. I mean I think he had the definitive list going forward. You know, we kind of saw the evolution of this deck from towards world's list, going with things like acro bike to now this just very streamlined, fireless right, with a bunch of fires and you just, you know, you just hoping to hit the welder and and if not, you know, you might have a bad time. Yeah, I got to say I am very much a fan of Robin's list and the way he approached it. It just simple and straightforward. Don't need to rely on fire crystal because while that's not a thing anymore. So overall, I think it's just a strong, solid choice by Robin. Looking at second place, though, we had a deck that I I like to think that you and I were both kind of expecting to have a good performance in youtube and Mugx. So yeah, Mutwo and you obviously a staple of the last format. I mean definitively the best deck of last format, I would say, continues to have a strong performance with some new additions in Megal Law Honi in the tag call and some of those tag supporters like Kosmon Halla, I think was a big addition, being able to grab stadiums, being a to grab Rainbow Energy, to be able to use some more attackers. I think most successful mew two decks played like one rainbow at least alongside the Goosemanhala, just to be able to have that easy out to an energy. Right. What do you think of the changes that have made been made to mew two and do you think that will continue to have strong performances in this format, just like it didn't last yeah, it's really cool. It's really cool. I think meats is a great deck right now and just the consistency of it gets boost boosted. You mentioned the Goosemahala being able to search out the you know, the Rainbow Energy, but also the weakness card energy. So that's a big boost. You have that search. Yeah, I mean I don't think many people at all played Gerashi Gx in Oh yeah, it right, Raci Er Gx. Yeah, absolutely. I don't think I saw any lists from top like sixteen that played Geraci Gx, which that might that might just be the wave of the future, right, just going GERACCI less and, you know, relying a little bit more on the weakness Card Energy. Right. I think mewtwo was really well. Boys, we kind of both hit on it right. We would have said, hey, this is probably in our top three choices heading into the weekend, and it definitely performed extremely well. I like the deck archetype. You have an answer to everything, especially with the inclusion of Grenincha. I like that as well. You know, obviously, if you expect to see a lot of ATP then or Sir Ldo, you need to find a way to get around that, and so I liked just the way that those decks were built and they felt very strong. I like the tag call engine. I think that's incredibly consistent from you too, because just like drawing three is often a good you know, is often a good effect. I guess like off of Cynthia and Caitlyn, because a lot of times you can get your board set up to a point where you're accelerating your own energy or you're attacking for, you know, fewer energy than other decks, and so you can kind of afford to not have to welder as opposed to abilities are where you want to hit welder every single turn. In a deck like mew too, you can afford to, you know, Cynthia and Kaitlyn Malowen Laana, because you don't need to attach as many energy every single term. Yeah, and we actually saw stuff like the Mal Alana v Key and the seniors finals. I'm for blanking on both of the players names, but being able to consistently heal that mew two against the Kel Dao's and kind of get this weird heel war where the Greninja verse of the Keldeo both are kind of a to hit Ko and you need to mal a Laana that off. Yeah, not only very interesting, but without the Malalana...

...that would have been a loss, even with the Greninja Gx. So really awesome to see the Malan Lana Card just really served all over all over the place this weekend and all sorts of decks and all sorts of strategies as just a strong heel and switch option, kind of like we expected. I mean I think by the time l see you roll around, we all knew how good that card is going to be. Right. So, looking further into the top eight, we had a couple of different decks. We had ATP, a deck that we weren't very hot on. We have less CEPHALON, which we also probably weren't that hot on, and a couple of other decks like dollstall made top eight, Yep, and I think another ATP. I'm blanking on the last deck of the top eight. Do you remember what it was? I mean it could have been blow stephalon right. There was a baby blounds, I know that. With Stop Eight. Okay, maybe, maybe that's what I was thinking of. I can't remember the last one. Then was it another? Was it another stall deck? I'm pulling it up now. Let's see. Let's see doll stall. Oh, Gustavo had his GUAROTINEA Gar CHOMP, right, okay, and like it's like no wonder, we can't remember that because the list isn't even out. Y. Yeah, I Gustavo's lists are always super private. He never really post them to social media anything. So, yeah, of course little on the dark but he is. I from what I've heard it was very similar to Jimmy and grants Naga Gus Lord List, except it played some additional pokemon and more of a green's engine. So, yeah, you relied on them as Magius bestead beast ring kind of thing, but he also had all the star to have a better chance get stall and stuff like that. Yeah, very interesting, very interesting. I'm I'll be curious to see when, you know, pokemoncom puts that list up. I'll be curious to see what he played. But yeah, a very diverse metagame, I would say. You know, just a lot of viable decks or a lot of decks that were played that did well and, you know, I'd be interesting to see how the metagame continues to evolve. One of the biggest surprises from la I see for me was just to see how well ATP showed up. Like there were just a lot of players that played ATP. I saw statistic from one of the one of the websites. It said about a quarter of the field was ATP and that was shocked because that felt extremely high. I was not thinking that the deck would show up in such such big numbers, but apparently it took a really stronghold amongst the players in in Latin America and they brought it in full force. Yeah, I mean no doubt that strategy was very popular and I think kind of makes sense. It's very cool pokemon. They stared energy and they take extraprises, all of which are falling cool mechanics. So yeah, doesn't surprise me ATP is popular. So I will say, though, we were not very hot on ATP going into this event. We said it would probably be very popular, but we did not like the deck. How do you think ATP did relative to our expectations, and what do you think? Has Your opinion shifted on ATP? Do you think it's still kind of met? Do you still would you take it to a tournament? You not like it? What's the yeah, my initial opinion on ATP, I mean I was very down on it. I thought it was a bad choice. I thought it was, you know, kind of a bad deck, and I'm kind of feel myself repeating that. Even though it did have a top for and a top eight placement, it just felt like those came off the backs of there being so much of the field that played ATP. I kept seeing on the Stream, you know, there would be mirrors and I have to imagine that a lot of the ATP players played other ATP players, and so I I can't help but feel that the results were skewed a little bit because of that, because so many people played ATP. And certainly there was enough, you know, dollstall and Malamar and you know, and they got through enough of the decent matchups to to grind their ways into top eight. But I just don't feel like ATP has any staning power, and the reason is you get crushed by rushes are and I don't think you have that great of a match up against Youtube. No, I agree. I mean the resh he's ARD games or is ATP did not look very good. There's non gx attacking options to deal with Kell D oh. You can ko the ATP before they can even accelerate, which is that's game over. Pretty much right. They're, especially if you have answers to Kelly if they try to stall. Yeah, like, I don't really jive with the deck personally. I don't like I...

...don't like the fact that you basically have to pause for a turn, right. I think that's my biggest problem with the decades. You well, that's right. Yeah, and we discussed this on the podcast last week where I was saying, okay, some of the weaknesses of the deck are that you just get you give your opponent a free turn at the very least. Right. So you give them a free turn when you have to Gx and and all the successful decks were forced to do that because they didn't play ends resolved. They were forced to attach manually three times. And then if the metagame is all, you know, things like Malamar or other one prize decks that maybe don't move so swiftly, then you're in a good spot. You know, you have that time to set up or if they're decks that is get into that to hit Ko or with you. Yeah, exactly. But then you have dex that can one shot very easily on turn to and of course you're going to get, you know, wrecked there if you have to just send up your guy and and use your gx. And it's just I don't understand how ATP does well moving forward. Yeah, I'm kind of torn. I don't think the deck is as good as its representation I'll say that much right right. I think it's a decent deck. I think it's a good deck, not a great deck, but because it was so heavily played, a good deck will do well enough over that many players to make some good placements. That being said, it is a good deck. It has, I think, the biggest, the really big calling card forward is the Keldo realistically, and the fact that you get to, you know, have checkmate scenarios just by putting Multiple Kel Dao's active and you take prizes quickly with them. And I actually think the thing that really makes the Kel Dao's good is they do that thirty extra damage. One hundred and forty is a significantly better number than one hundred and ten, right, almost ridiculously. So how good that extra thirty damage is on Keldo. So you know, the it all kind of you know, of all jives. It makes sense. But I I agree with you and, like I said, that extra turn that you give your opponent potentially to extra turns if you're attaching and then attaching again, angiex saying, that's a lot of time that your opponent has to just kind of do whatever they want. So I think there's a couple different ways that we've seen for people to try and speed that strategy up. Not a lot of them really topped very well, but I think nds, resolve and the requaisa gx are pretty much the the main accelerants that we've seeing. Will Jenkins echoing that he doesn't think ATP's very good in the chat. Do you think either of those are potential option to help patch up ATP, or do you think it's still just like or it's this kind of gimmicky or it's just not good enough, or what are your thoughts there? I mean, I think well, I just think that nothing can really help ATP to the point that it brings it to tier one. I think it will be a like ATP will remain tier too, just because it does take good matchups to some viable decks. However, I don't think it'll ever crack that, you know, that Tier One placement. Like I don't think it'll ever be the go to deck right. It'll always just beat that kind of metagame specific deck, and so as long as it remains there, I don't think anything can change that. Like I don't think and ends resolve. Adding ends resolve high counts of that can change it. I don't think adding Y Quasa, I don't think adding like a Goosemahala engine, I don't think adding anything can break it out of tier two. I think it's just going to remain there just because of the matchups, to me, feel so polarizing that even that extra turn isn't going to help you against a deck like rush has art. Yeah, so, yeah, I totally feel that and I'm inclient to agree. A deck that's so match up heavy will typically not be the best deck in any given format. So, yeah, if you're a fan of ATP and you're listening to this or watching this, I implore you to prove US wrong, because it's a cool deep I just don't think it has the stones to get there right now. Well, we're ready. I mean we're ready because a lot of people say, okay, oh ATP is going to be really good. We hear things like Oh Ushi Ram is going to be good. That was a total law, that's for sure. Dish show us, show us. I think those people that are clinging to a tep and saying it's the best deck in the format like our little bit delusional. I may be speaking too strongly, against it. I again I will say it's tier too, but it's kind of like show us, show us what it can do, and I don't think that it has the stones to be tier one fair enough. So I think those are some of the biggest decks we're looking at going to this weekend where some of that fire archetype in ATP another one of our favorite decks was baby will cephalon. Yeah, evil cephalon was not overly represent in this Meta, but it seems like it did pretty well with the players who...

...did play it. What are your thoughts on that deck? Being able to one shout with the one prize or seems pretty good to me. I mean that seems like kind of one of the premier one prize dex moving forward. Yeah, we kind of talked about that last week to just being a very solid choice. I had a decent representation and the people that played it in day two, you know, got you know, did decently well. Like I it did about as I expected it to, with one bubbling at ninth and I think it was a deck that could have won the tournament. But I do think it takes kind of an awkward matchup to ATP it's seems about fifty, maybe a little bit favored, definitely not an auto win by any means. So I feel like we're kind of a victim of the format. I feel like moving forward it should be even better, just because you probably have a decline of ATP, a rise and abilities ared, which feels like a decent, if not good, matchup, and then our increase in Malamar, which should decrease. MEWTWO and you two can get kind of weird if they can like cross divine Malmas really bad, though, but if ATP isn't played, then Malamar should increase. Well then let's Cephalon. Sucks. If Mount Mars popular, well, that's I mean it's all kind of like this weird we're in a weird title. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. I mean if Mal Mars popular, that people just play ATP, right there you go. So and then you just play turbine fire and in every Meta and just be like whatever, I had it. Well, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So any thoughts on how the deck kind of developed? I think one thing we didn't call at all was the addition of Lily's polk at all being in the deck. When I saw that on stream I was like wow, that's a really slick idea, super awesome. So do you think that'll probably be the premier way to play moving forward? That'll probably stick. I think with a deck like that you just you want to build your hand size up and you can afford to do that. And I think in that Meta specifically people opted for great catchers over custom catchers. So you do get that extra turn, that extra two, sometimes three, four, I mean almost if turns right, because the polk it dolls go back to the go back into the day like its started at their chaote. Right, they get discarded as a chaot. But like you get those extra turns. And so yeah, I think that's going to be the way to do it moving forward, because sometimes it can be hard to get those early attacks off with the Balli Cephalon deck right, but the the poky doll solves that so early. Name. Then another question is, do you think great catcher will remain the premier gust effect or do you think people will will maybe consider adding custom catchers back now that dolls have seen play, and not only the Cephalon but and also a dolls doll deck, and customs is generally useful against single price decks. It remains to be seen. Yeah, would you consider adding customs to any deck that that we talked about so far? Again, I think it's kind of met us specific, right, if you do expect people to play dolls at Your Cup or at, I guess, your regionals, then yeah, why not? You know, I think it's kind of Meta specific. Sure, great catcher just so great catchers just so strong. It's great. It is great, awesome. Yeah, I mean great catchers insane. It's I think it's a hard sell to go back to customs with great catcher in format. Right, exactly. It's not on just more reliable and it takes less space, like yeah, yeah, exactly. So you have that other room to kind of dedicate to your you know, other consistency or some more you know, tag team supporters, things like that. I mean it's just really, really, really a nice card on all fronts, especially if you expect the next like mew to the next like rushes are to dominate. Yeah, so those are a bunch of decks that I wanted to hit on. I want to turn the ball over to you, though. What are some decks that you were impressed by and want to talk about coming out of the La Se metagame. Yeah, I was really impressed by by dolls, like I loved the good sing l to what's that? Good segue into dolls too. I know, right. Yeah, I was really impressed by dolls, I thought. I mean obviously I had the showing in baby blounds, but but just as its own archetype. I've been messing around with it this week and it's just very cool. I love the way the list were built. They were, you know, kind of took out a lot of fluff that maybe I thought was necessary, so things like crushing Hammer. You know you don't really necessarily need that, and just made it as streamlined as possible. I think it is very beautiful when that deck works and when you get things going like it is such a good metaphor we were talking about people are playing great catchers instead of customs, and it's just a strong archetype that has a place in this format and it's really an exciting...

...deck when it works. I I totally agree. It's really impressive to see it climbed to the ranks with multiple players at this tournament. I do think it was so sad, though, because the dolls doll got mashic and to this place, Cephal on, and top of hate that played Stinger gx and the baby will stephal on, which is that's just like an auto laws. Yeah, right, right. So, and that's kind of the cool thing, though, about the deck is, like the lock is very, very strong. The lock is very, very strong, but there are some texts in some ways around it. So, yeah, you mentioned the bill cephalon player. You know, anything that spreads. Stinger G X is huge. Things like Fione can sometimes get you around it. CRIAGONAL is a good tech. I mean there are ways to beat it and I guess custom catchers and like a Wrang grew would be another way to beat it. There ways to beat it, but if you're not preparing for it, then you know it just bodies. And Yeah, customer Catcher or anger is would be a funny way to go about that. I mean if you were really worried about it. Right. Yeah, you play a ranger and custom catches. Yeah, for sure. So some of those counters, though, I'll have that kind of, you know, whirlpool effect where now there's a counter on the doll side to deal with the counters. So you mentioned Crogonal, which was surprisingly popular in ATP. I would say, a lot of the streamedtped x had croogonal, yeah, which I wasn't necessarily for seeing that to be that popular, but I mean clearly a good choice. And but then on the flip side, some of the doll stall players played a spear team in a Rainbow Energy which can ko the croogonal and then all of a sudden the lock is back online. So as long as the criogonal didn't take like five prizes, you're good to go, right. So, but then of course it loose deck around where some ATPS are playing to crowd your cry gonna Second Crogonal, I think. Is it possible to be with current state lists? So, because the only way to get the spirit tum in the rainbow bag is with much munch lacks, which ends your turn is of fifty to start with. So it would take like a couple words of average to get it back and then you have to charge it up over to churn. You can use it and then you can't even use it that turn, right, because you got the builds fight for two turns. Yeah, it's so. It's so. Yeah, I don't I don't really know how you can beat double cryogonal to be honest, I guess double spirit Tomb and Double Rainbow, but it's like we're going out as weird ravel or you end up just playing a spear tomb deck. Yeah, you're actually just playing for spirit tomb with with you know, munch lack at a couple balls the fort. You have to cut the floor just line to fit in your thick spirit too wide right, right, yeah, that seems really good. Yeah, so, yeah, I mean if I think the rabbit hole probably stops at one spirits in one rainbow for the doll side. Well, maybe two spirit too me rainbow or something like that. But it's funny, right, because you talk about this rabbit hole. I think that's a good kind of kind of expansion on just the format as a whole. Right, because if you say okay, ATP can't be Reshs ared, then maybe that, you know, in reshes are just one the tournament. You expect there to be a lot of restis arts. Maybe you don't play ATP, but then if you don't play ATP, then maybe Malamar can rise again. It's just kind of this whole cyclical thing as well. What is your kind of take on how the format shifts based on a lie. I see what what we should expect from this next weekend in response to what just happened. I think the format will be kind of in flux for a while, and the reason I think that is historically, I feel like American Meta Games, if we're looking specifically at America, but I think this applies to all regions, are kind of rigid in how they approach the game and so they will not shift based on necessarily what they see. They'll be influenced, but they won't holy shift. So I think they'll be people, you know, Malamar completely flopped. Basically. I think Ktron was like the only player to do anything with Malamar, and it wasn't anything fantastic either. Yeah, people still play Malamar. A lot of people still play Maultamar and they'll try it out. A lot of you will play more traditional metube variants without with psychic and fire and and for welders, and that's it. So I think a lot remains to be seen for how people are going to approach this metagame and I don't think Ellie I see alone is going to be prescriptive for what you see, and this is going to take time to develop. I mean, if you think about last year or rang Guru Zoro Ark One la, I see. And then all of a sudden, like guardivoir...

...and Zori decidually nine tails and it's Riz ore, like a rock came back out of nowhere. And then and then buzz garb shrine came back after being like dead. There's like the Meta game for lost under last year developed in such a bizarre way and ended up with a ridiculous amount of decks. And I won't be surprised if COS me eclipse ends up in a very similar to dectory. It feels kind of similar and how it's panning out right now. Yeah, yeah, well, and and then you got to think like okay, if you know if fires good, well, what if people play just a direct counter to fire? Right, they just play like just a straight water deck. Like I saw this kind of locally at the challenge that I went to yesterday, where everyone was playing fire. So water did really well, like a vaporion deck, and then the other deck did really well, like Hilariously, I think it won the tournament. Was and Salazzle hand deck, right, because everybody, if everybody's playing the fire deck and they don't play any reset stamps, then slazzle hand. Just bobby, it was really that's actually very, very funny. Should be pretty fun. That's actually very funny. So S lazzle hand. I mean, I think jw saying conclusively to everyone who's listening or watching this show that's the lazzle hand is the deck to play in this tournament or any tournament you have coming up in this Meta game. Yeah, if you take anything away from this podcast is that salazzle hand is the play or sure, the lot we do have. Man, we do have some questions. In the Chavelero says, do you prefer the Catcher Meta or the Guzma Meta from last year? Um, I think catcher metas are more fun to play because you get to draw a lot of cards and then play your catchers. I do think it's a little more fair to have to support her to gust, but it's kind of offset by the fact we don't draw ton of cards in this format. So I think I like the way this year's panning out better than last year so far, I have to say. I actually I would say that it's I don't know, I feel like I feel like it's better now because you have less gust than last year, right, because you could play, you know, for Guzmo or, you could play I don't know what. We still abuse vs Seker right last year, and formality you just got been is good last year, if we didn't have so many like good draw options, like you had a, I think particularly like a wranger, and shrekt was really good. You had storark to just continue to draw into KUZMA's. Yeah, I mean you could play for great catcher, but like there's not enough to all to all that anymore. Yeah, well, right, but the problem with like playing for great catcher is that it's not as versatile as a Kuzma. Right, a Kuzma could ring up a non gx. So if you want to bring up an an GIE, actually have to play great catchers. But then you're only limited to two and you have to draw exactly, you know when you need you know you have the draw to exactly when you need them, and you lose the ability to gust for your second time if you don't know that. You know those other two in in order. So yeah, I know, I kind of like it more now. It feels more balanced, a little more fair, and I like the discarding aspect of great catcher, so you can play a little bit better, like stamp as a little more meaningful. When you get stamped to one, you just know your great catcher. Yeah, barring you know, some way for your opponent to draw. But right, well, that's kind of the direction I was going to it's like I think, like at a fundamental level of supporter should be more balanced. But I think this year is heading it a better trajectory the last year and I like it. I like it more. Yeah, actually, like a lot of last year's formats I wasn't a huge fan of to be honest. Sure, like I enjoyed playing pokemon all last year, but I think these formats this year are have been more fun so far. I don't know if you feel the same, but that's yeah, I would agree. I would agree. We have another question here. Is Malamar good for cups? I mean, that's that's a great question. What do you feel, Riley? Is Malamar a good play? Would you play Malamar for cups? Why or why not? I would not. I don't like Malamar. I not necessarily is bad deck, although it is bad and heavy Mal Laana metas. I don't you can't really do anything about that. To be honest. Yeah, besides switching your deck to a worse version of Alamar, but then you're just playing kind of a bad deck. So, however, in sort of less healing based Metas, I think Malamar's fine. If you want to take it to the cup. I wouldn't really fault to you, but I mean it's just kind of an Ikey deck to me. It's not that I would really want to play when I have all sorts of really consistent tag team decks that can take advantage of tag call and mal on Lana and because some one hollowing Cynthia, Kaitlyn and welder, you all sorts of things I find more impressive. Sure, how about you? Anything any other thoughts on Alamar? Yeah,...

I think there are other decks that do things a little bit better. And Malamar, like you said, it's relies on two hit KOS and if you're able to Malowan Lana, I mean Malowe Lana is just a card on the up right now. It's on the up for sure, and so if you're able to negate a whole turn, I mean that's insanely powerful. Yeah, I mean sounds sounds pretty powerful to me at least. Yeah, for sure. For sure. So yeah, go ahead. I think there's a couple decks that we haven't hit on yet which are worth mentioning, and those being the Negonado Guzzler deck that DDG played. We briefly mentioned it with Gustavo. Would you talk a lot about it? And there's bles CEPHALON. And then I'd also be interested in your thoughts on peak ram and how it didn't have an appearance at all. So, yeah, what's direction would you like to look at first? I think Peek Urram is find to go. It's very interesting that peak ram didn't see play because the decks like biggest strength and being able to tag bolt. It had no counters. Like I don't know that any list played me you, so theoretically you should be able to have a much stronger tag bolt, right. It's way harder to go around me when lists included. Obviously that didn't even make any sense. What I'm trying to think it's hard to play on you and you exists. Yeah, yeah, but if me isn't played, then like you would think that Pe Kurram would have a much better time, but I just think is kind of a case of like, not very many people playing it. And also it just not being that strong of an option. I think it kind of gets hurt by Keldeo being such a dominant force. Of course you do have your power plants, but then on the flip side they have chaotic as well. So it's just an interplay that's kind of hard to hard to deal with. And then another card that just kind of hates peek ram out of the net, maybe not out of the format, but makes it less favorable to play is Megalo punny. So you see that? I mean we saw in the both of the top two decks, but I quite a few they decks as well. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, just like megalopuny being an inclusion in some decks is really a difficult for peak a ram to deal with because they rely so heavily on de Danne and I don't know that you could really build that deck to not rely on to DNA. It just feels kind of incorrect the build. You know, I didn a list peak a Rom, but in any case I think those two, those two factors made it not see any success. Yeah, I mean I don't like pick a rom, still don't. So yeah, yeah, just and it feel I don't know, it's I don't know. It feels really it feels oddly slow, it feels oddly underpowered and just doesn't have, doesn't have the oomph of a deck like Mewtwo or deck like turbo rushes art. It turns out doing three hundred damage is good. Turns Out, who knew? I don't know. Maybe we'll have to fact check that. Okay, I'm gonna go to the sources. Yeah, well, JW is wikipediing that I'd like to also talk about. I talked about Nag and adn't guess Lord. I think that's the biggest surprise of the week. I was probably when Danny was on stream. It flips over a Nag gues Lord. I mean that was first off of bizarre deck, but it was really cool. I think it has a decent ATP match up. I think is really what they're trying to hit there with the springer and then gx attack kind of move pretty solid. Can't complain. Yep, the deck seems wilding consistent to me, though there are some performances all across the board. We had Jimmy and Egor and Gustavo kind of do well with variants of this deck and then we had literally everyone else who played it not too very well. So I can't say I'd recommend it if you're looking for the most competitive play for a tournament. But I mean it looks really, really fun. I mean eating absolutely your own pokemon sounds really cool. The GXTAC is fun. You get to play beast springer in your deck, which I frankly. I mean that deserves something by itself. Right, yeah, right, right, yeah, I mean it was. It was definitely an interesting call and and, like you said, it had such a wide range of performances and I think that's just really due to the fact that you need to draw things in a very specific order with that deck. So if you do draw those things in that specific order, like you're going to just go far, the deck is just going to work, everything's going to be wet. You know, all well and good for you, yeah, but if you don't, and we saw this on stream a lot, I think to one game with Jimmy, maybe in day two, where he didn't draw into what he needed, so he was just drop passing for, you know,...

...four or five turns, or maybe even longer than that, but just trying to draw into that one card that he needed for that specific matchup. It just there were some Awkward Times where you would just draw pass with the deck. That not because you couldn't attack, but because you didn't actually want to attack until you had, you know, the be springer or the beast energy or whatever was that you need it for that turn. So again just saying like you want to draw things in the very specific order with that deck and when you don't, you have a very sucky deck and when you do, you maybe have the best deck in the room. Yeah, I mean the dext seems wildly and consistent, but and there's a lot going on, for sure. There's a lot of things that have to happen and, like you said, in the right order, which I think that's probably the biggest limiting factors. Things have to happen in a certain order to draw certain sequences of cards and if you drop pieces in the wrong order and make sure Miss Magus is kind of awkward, like he might miss, make us for so few cards that it's fairly feels worth it. So sure interested to see the how that deck does moving forward or people refine that list at all. I'm probably going to be playing at at least a challenge or something, because it looks Super Fun. Right. I think it's a perfect challenge deck because, do you know, you can kind of like know where you sit like after your turn, you know. So you're like, I'm probably not winning this game, I'll just scoop it up and yeah, it's no big deal, right, like perfect challenge deck. That is true. That is true. I and challenges. I love to play stuff that's like, let's just let's go many wedding yeah, my writing, you're losing this game. There's also a guardian had an okay showing. I mean, yeah, I think it did exactly as well aways expected it to, like somewhere in the middle. It's a very matchup heavy deck and the matchups aren't all there and the smetha either, but it's super powerful when he hit the counter matchups and chat. We also got a question about bird control and why it wasn't able to crack top eight. JW, I know we were talking before the podcast. You had some thoughts about birds and its performance. What do you think about birds right now and now? Keep in mind it did bubble at at ten this weekend, so it had a chance. I think it was a bubble at least, but either way it's still crack top sixteen, which is notable and instit of itself. Do you think birds is viable moving forward as a stall deck, or do you think dolls is better? Or do you yeah, it was a fluke. Yeah, I don't know the numbers really on on that deck and we talked last week in the podcast of just about how like the matchups are different for birds and doll stall. But I just feel like not the best players didn't bring birds to the event. Like you think of the Premiere Piggioto players being DDG, and none of those players brought that deck to the tournament. So I just think it wasn't played by, you know, maybe the right people and also just maybe ran into some awkward matchups. Yeah, yeah, I still think the deck is really, really good can singing forward into the metagame. I mean I mean I have it has all the tools to be extremely good. We talked about it being the premiere stall deck and it was kind of interesting to see doll stall kind of went out in terms of top a placements over over pigeoto. Why do you think that is? Why do you think dollstall was better suited for the La see metagame than Piggi Oto. I think what makes dollstall better is it has a easier to achieve and state and versus a lot of decks, that end state is enough with all stall because there's not a lot of custom catchers. There wasn't a lot of spread. So, realistically, against a lot of these atps, against a lot of these mewtwo's, even, I mean even against the rest these ares and stealthy hoood like, you get to that end state and you're good. You just kind of yeah, flip your coins and pass. So whereas piggy has a lot more going on and I feel like, you know, there's things that can go wrong and all sorts of states of the game be it like. And also I think ATP is harder for Pidgy than it is for dolls. Sure, because ATP can just run pigey off the board and trying a pige you can win that match up a lot of the time, baby, if you can run pigey off the boards at least right a couple of times, which, with the amount of ATP in the room, could easily like camper down on the amount of pigey success that we saw this weekend. I still think that he's really, really good, though there's a lot of things you can do with it. I will say that the amount of criagonal ends of strikers a little bit concerning, so you probably want to be thinking of ways that you can get around that. I was actually talking with Bretty bottener last night about ways to handle this EPP strike a. We tossed around playing Waba fat and stealthy hood to turn off Dittoh and make it unable to be gusted by the nine tails against fresh he's art, and we also talked about beast energy and buzz will, which I think he ended up playing at full grips tournament this Wednesday today, for those who are watching live. So I think with birds you just have to make keep evolving it,...

...keep finding ways to push it further, and you'll find success, at least in some regard. Yeah, that's that's a really great take. If you had to take a stall deck to a cup, I mean yeah, had to is a way to term it, but this is some strange man who's threatening to kill us. I play stall at a cup. If you were to take a stall deck to a tournament, which one would it be and why? I personally like pitchy the best, although I think it depends a lot. Like Malamar, I think it's kind of popular my area and will continue to be popular. So I'd rather be playing piggy than dolls, because dolls doesn't really have a good answer to Malamar, but I think they're both fine. I what I do like about Piggie, though, is I think the mill is a lot faster once you get to milling, whereas dolls, like you can bell Elba, but you have to do it every other turn. Loose to mean brow also below thos like randomly dangerous with dolls because, like if you beloved all yourself to zero and flip a bunch of tails, then you live. It's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point, which that would be, but really right, buddy. So for cops it's kind of interesting, right, because four coups. Theoretically, Pidge is probably a better choice because you are more easily able to get that surge double Bow Elba, and you know, ideally you search double Bowl Alba every single turn. Yeah, you know, without the surge, though, like you can at least, but you can at least single blowba every term with pige right. Right, right, exactly. Yeah, it's a lot harder to do with dolls. Will always be capt at least a mean hmm. And the other thing too, I find that the dolls is a little bit more susceptible to reset stamp early, where if you Steven's revolved right, you can't play any of those cards. So if you don't have a doll down and you steven's resolved for it and then you get reset stamp early, then you don't draw into another doll like you can start getting all your things knocked out very, very quickly. It doesn't always happen, but just that's that reset stamp is a little bit harder, I find, for dolls to deal with than for Piggioto, just because you have that built in draw with Piggioto. So what I've kind of been seeing, I've seen a few lists throw in like a two two pigeioto line in their dolls to like kind of counter I don't know, to necessarily counteract that specific scenario, but just as more drop power, because I find that sometimes, you know, you get into those weird situations where if they do refresh your hand, then you can be in an awkward spot. Yeah, I mean the elms lecture also makes the pigies more live, makes it easier to play that kind of line. Do you have any thoughts on the sauce book variant of dolls? I mean it didn't really get any representation at La, I see. Do you think it's a Bible deck? I'm I mean I think it's fine, just like the archetype is good. So I think it's perfectly acceptable. I don't necessarily think it's better than the like spear tomb achieves almost the same thing, I feel, like, for less spots. So I think I would trend more towards that. And I just like we said earlier, the lock is so strong against a lot of these decks that I don't feel like saucebuck really adds anything that we didn't already see this weekend. Yeah, I will say that even playing like a sauce book, though, if you already get the lock up, can accelerate your wind con as your shirt taking prizes it. So Lu local event, maybe even just playing a very thin line of sauce buck could be the way to go to guarantee that you finished games long enough or quickly enough, rather not long enough, so that is the thought that I didn't really think about as like an alternative way to win games. No, I mean I think there is a lot of merit to it and, like you said, particularly in a local metagame, if you're, you know, not taking this deck to regionals, I think there is there's some merit to playing. Yeah, maybe a one, one or two one line of saucebog. But then the weird thing is, like you're committing you're committing the saucebook line to your bench. I just feel like, if you're gonna beat, this is valuable. I will say. Yeah, like the bench face is valuable and like, theoretically, well, you should have enough time to win in thirty minutes if you play fast enough. So I worried that if you're relying too heavily on Saucebug, then you don't actually have the capability to play that. Like you don't actually know what you're doing with the deck right if you have to rely on Saucebug, if you're like looking to saucebuck as your savior and best of one, then maybe that's still not the deck for you, because you might be looking at just you should maybe play different deck. Is kind of what I'm saying right. And I will say though, people, I...

...think over estimate how long can take stall to win. Sometimes. Sure, I'm people played wacky' smack et all sorts of local events and did well. So it's not impossible to win even without any active mill. I mean the violetin deck literally did not have any active way to mill. You had to drop pasts forever. So sure, I would just say if you're considering saucebook, also just realized maybe you also need to play faster. Yeah, so I think stall decks have have a capability to win. Invest One. I like pidge better. I missed one, though, because there's it's very fast. Once you get going safe cars. The turn is unbelievable. It's pretty busted cool. Are there any other things that you wanted to hit on from the LYE metagame? I'm kind of strolling through the list right now. I mean, it was it was pretty well discussed. I mean we touched a little bit on Guardi like. The other thing would be is is blounds, like big Blounds, a viable deck? I mean I think that's the only other what top Eid deck that we didn't really talk about. I find that it's good, like. I think it has a place. I see it as a very tear to option. But again, in the right metagame. If you're going up against a lot of tag team decks, maybe not a lot of Piggi Oto, than I think you have a good day. I just don't like big it's not fair. I just not deck that I like. Yeah, the deck looked the deck probably destroyed the dolls but tended in the top four ste you game. It looked really, really bad. No fault, I don't think it was the fault of the player. It's just like sometimes a blouds just looks like the worst deck of all time. Yeah, yeah, I mean it definitely is prone to these awkward hands, more so than I think mewtwo or turboishus are. But I just I just don't like the strategy of blounds very much, and I have said this for a long time now. You can see me, you can catch me, like metaphorcasts from a while pack, saying how much I don't like blows. Yeah, you're just a hater. I have. I have a hater. Yeah, I don't like bounds. You don't believe I actually I just don't. Don't it's I mean that's her problem. Yeah, I like it's one of those decks where I won't fall to you if you play it, but I would never play it. So right, right, because and I just had Siky deck. Ikey, Ikey, you, Ikey, Gross, disgusting, like Filthy Nasty. Yeah, there's also a couple quagsire decks, but I mean I don't know what we can even say about them. They're quackstarer decks. They feel like about the same as all its. Yeah, I mean it's fine. Again, like if you run into the right matchups then you're okay, but I just don't think you have enough good matchups to to win a win an event. Yeah, so, so that's a ton of stuff about a I see. I want to ask then, talking about all these decks, what would you take to a local event if you had one coming up, say this weekend? I know you don't have one coming up this weekend, but if you did, what would you play? For me, personally, I would probably take baby blounce. I like that deck a lot. I think it's just very strong in general, really really good, fun deck to play. I'm not going to get burnt out playing it for you know, five to eight rounds. Yeah, I, like you, wants a lot. I would also consider taking me to. That deck just feels like, honestly feels like the best deck to me. And then I don't think you can go wrong with herber action's are. So they're going to be my top three. If you are comfortable playing a stall deck, if you're comfortable, if you're comfortable winning in thirty minutes, the definitely, you know, consider that as well. But I would say baby blonds, me to and Reshi's hard would be. Would be the three that I would consider for this weekend. I don't think I'm going to, you know, out of left field by any means. No, no, it doesn't sound like it, at least I think. Me Personally, I would have a similar spread. I think you two and baby blounds are both kind of my top premier choices right now. But it also kind of throw in that instead of resh he's are, it would play piggy as my third deck choice, because I like those kind of decks. Sure, very yeah, pidgies are very fun card too because, like Pigioto, I guess technically add of the like putting the car on the bottom is fun, right. It's super cool. You get to pick your deck up and put that hard. I'm but the deck back down. I mean that's neat. That's that's really neat. Yeah, I just think that's meat. Yeah, I think. I mean really bang up job. I pokemon with that card design, to be honest, absolutely cool. So then talked a lot about decks, about decks we would play. I think my last question before we perhaps ask chat for some more is what do you think was the most impactful card from cosmic eclipse so far?...

Are It seems like a toss up between Megal low punny and Malow and Laana. I find that those two cards are really kind of shaping them metagame, for in my eyes at least, and the decks that can utilize one or both of those are extremely strong. Yeah, yeah, I think that I will post post the question back to you. Do you have another one that you kind of look to outside of those, outside of those two cards? I think definitively it is tag call. Okay, I think tag call is what makes Malin Lawa viable it's what the engine that ran a lot of these decks was tag call. I mean the card is ridiculous, to be honest, very it is ridiculous. Cynthia and Kate because like you want to mal a lot is so good and like defined kind of how the decks, what Dex Weve a viable, because Malamar was pushed out by Malalana, but then it also came back to like, well, tag call, let's you find Al Alas, and also it's Indian. CAITLIN's also a huge part of that engine because it like gets you malt laws back, it draws you cards. Yeah, and so you can't just it almost feels like you can't just say mal a Laana without calling out Cynthia and Kaitlyn. And then why, at that point you might as well just be calling out tag call, because that's what says. Want enabled everything. Yeah, so I think tag call is definitively the card from cosmic eclipse. Yeah, it sure, it's changing the Meta game most foremosture. I U absolutely. Absolutely. That's very cool. I am excited to see how these decks shape up, how people decide to tech or, you know, change the lists. That that one and and I think it should be an very exciting next I don't know, month or so. Yeah, I will say I'm I'm a little bit bummed out that the tag team supporter concept only got to be realized for one set, because I think it's really interesting and really cool. Yeah, it's a it's a really, really nice always love just having those cards that let you choose multi any time. Supporters are always cool to me. Yeah, very, very strong, cool. So, did you have any other big topics we want to hit on JW or should we open up the floor? Yeah, I know, I don't have anything that we didn't already touch on, so let's go ahead and ask chat some questions. All right, she ask questions from chat. So we will open up the floor to chat to ask some questions before we wrap up for the day while you all are typing up some awesome questions with your gigantic, massive brains that you've acquired over the course of watching tag team at JW. What is your favorite card from cosmic eclips? My favorite card from cosmic eclips? Yeah, it can is for any reason on a competitive level. Not that not necessarily competitive. It could be for any reason. Oh Man, Um Huh. That's an interesting that's an interesting question. Well, I'll be honest, I the most joy that I got this weekend was when Danny flipped over and again, that wasn't insane moment to it. That was the most joy I felt watching the stream. Like I was like, okay, I'm ready to you know, I'm getting ready to see round one. Okay, Danny's on stream, like what am I going to see? Me Too, Piggi Oto, you know, and then he flips over the Nag. I'm like yeah, that definitely blew my mind a little bit. And the thing is I actually asked them that morning, but they're playing and I was told and aging little guest Lord, and I like that's funny, like what do you actually play? And they said me, a cropped out screenshot with three and again they'll guest Lord, and like that's some good commitment to the me, but what are you playing, little? Did you know that that was what they were actually yeah, I thought for sure I was getting like pract or something, but was a that was a real dick. So well, that's crazy, man. It's crazy. Pokemon so fun. I love this game. It's a great game for sure. So what's the best meme deck in format? Riley, want to take this one? Um, I think there's two that come to mind. I think tank growth, as is been kind of a meme deck that people have been talking about. I have not experimented a Tang growth at all, so I can't tell you how good it is, but I saw that it top aided a cup or just got second or something like that the other day. It's so, I mean it's hang growth in it it itself is kind of a meme, like regardless of what's printed on that card, like like tangles. Is Ridiculous. It's so and I guess you just play a bunch of appsoles to...

...increase for treat cost. It's kind of like that cell Steela absole deck. Remember that deck that you made it? Yeah, that's like one of your most viewed videos. Yeah, it's kind of like that, but for one grass energy. So busted, so busted. I just feel like Tang growth man like it's just Tangala, but but you but two of them more than it was. Like a bunch of them is long. Yeah, it's just a big old Tangla. Did they make a baby Tangala? I think they might be concept art for it, but I don't think there actually is one. Okay, they should have done that. There's a twitter account which like periodically will tweet all the lost pokemon. If you ever, and they have a baby Tangala. I'm not positive, but I think I may have seen one. I'M gonna look it up, but let's see. So that those are good meme deck. I'm thinking also of their the other one I wanted to call it was nuzzle right to you. Oh, okay, yeah, I was going to say the turn one dusk nore deck. Oh, with the Buzz Mosa and V street. Yeah, that is pretty ridiculous. Pretty funny people are. This is cute. They totally should have kept this in. Oh, this is a good pokemon. Yeah, Yeo, I'm going to send. I'm going to send this copy image. Maybe I can send it in the chats. This is a really good one to copy. The URL. Url, I'll just give you the whole wall. there. There you go as way too much, but it's fine. Star Tangle as a good concept, I think baby Tragula, who very cute, who knew? Great, awesome. So other decks or other questions that we got? Gooseman Hallom, you three versus straight welder me, you three. We kind of touched this earlier. JW, do you have a definitive preference at this point for welder me? You three versus Guzman Hallom? You three? Yeah, I mean I do think. I do think. Mute me two benefits from playing Gooseman Halla, so I would say, yeah, probably Gusman hallow. Seems Fair to me. Yeah, we got a question from creeping fruit. Best GALAR STARTER IN FORMAT? What is your preference of the GALARY and starters? Score Boun I score Bun. I score Buni. Seems Pretty Cool. Not gonna lie. I picked Grouki in my sword game, but I'm kind of envious of the store bunny people to be honest. Yeah, at least I haven't spoiled the Pokemon yet, so I definitely know. But I saw, I only know what the second forms look like so far, and the Grouki second form is very ugly. I don't like him, yes, but GROUKI's final form is the best. Score Boune is the best starter, but it's final evolution is I don't want it. It's not the worst, I think it's just tied for worst. It's groukies on a form is very, very strong. I think it's in it is a pokemon that could have belonged in Gen to like it's just a very good classic, Nice, wholesome pokemon design. I like it a lot. I'm very excited to find it out then with that endorsement. So yeah, mixtapp asking about the dark box deck that Tyler speaks to have on facebook. That's that's a secret man. That's this top secret info. So Riley could tell you about it, though apparently I can't. How about the Mimique that blocks abilities? Do you think there's more to it or do you think it has gotten exactly the amount of representation that it deserves? Yeah, I mean it's hard to really make it work in a deck that's not Malamar, and so if Malamar gets hated out of the format, then it's kind of tough to make it work. I guess the other one that you could do is like maybe bless up, like any deck that's can spread, but I can't really think of anyone's. The one that comes to is like blows Cephalon, but they really have any psychic attackers. So like it. The Mimic is like best against mew two, I would say. So I don't know. That's that's a very curious question, but I think it's just best with dex that spread, and so Malamar kind of fits that bill. Yeah, yeah, definitely seems like Alamar's the premier deck to use it. I can't even think of a shrine deck right now that would use it other than Alamar. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Okay. So last question for the day. Yuns offer ass which deck to win...

...an event and which deck would you play to get points? So kind of that higher roll versus a safe, consistent concept. which do you think fits into those categories? I'll let you answer this one first. Riley, you should take this one, okay. I mean realistically, I think to winning event welder decks will always kind of be the top dogs because they're just so good when they run high, and I think mewtwo and rush, he's ared, can both fit that bill pretty well. Yeah, to get points, I think me two is safer than rush. She's already get points. But I think the ultimate safe play to get points is currently building up to either be honestly, like ATP is probably a solid deck to get points. It feels it feels very peak a ram asked in that kind of way. You know it just it'll do the job but maybe won't win you the tournament. Also, I think stall could fill it into that winned event category, where you just from it can spike everything that was there. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I kind of feel that way. So I would say Mewtwo, me two for both, but me two more to get points, and then I would say, like a Piggioto, we clearly stand mew to it in tag team. Well, I mean, dude, the debt, if it had one yesterday, it would have won every major event in standard since its release, like it's insane. But there was the the Guardian Tournament, let's not forget what in Germany or something, Sheffield, I don't know. Was it a wasn't that a special event? It's still a major tournament. I feel like, Oh, you always, you always deny me of that major tournament title. Doesn't count. That doesn't count for you, but it counts, so it doesn't come for me. Okay, okay, okay, Y, well, either way, we were on the same page. Beau two is filthy and broken and disgusting and GW's very salty. That tearing of sound here just it's, you know, I get no respect, no wrist, but I but someone of the chat saying that it was a regional at the Guardi tech one. So actually you're wrong and I'm right. Okay. Well, all, Hail Riley. Thank you. That's all I'm asking for. So that'll be it for today. Everyone. Thank you so much for coming to chat. If you are watching this live on twitch, JW, will you be going live with Pokemon after dark? Yes, I will. I need to go get some Eggnog, okay, and then JW's got them homemade eggnog that he has to down. And yes, no, no, I'm gonna drink it. I'M gonna drink it on the stream. It is. The key is that it's over one year old. Yeah, he's got this weirdly old eggnog and I was telling him how it grosses me out, but not the MEEZER. It's not like he's just drinking really old and all the secrets, all the secrets, will be revealed in in three minutes. So I'm going to go use the restroom. Okay, this is all going to make it. You're going to cut this in post, right, Riley, watch part me saying I'm going to use the bathroom anyway. It's that's definitely staying it. Well, thank you everyone for watching. We will see all next week, but.

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