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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 8 · 2 years ago

7. Date in Daytona

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All right, what is thap everybodywelcome back to tag team, I'm Raly holdrup joined by my good friend, JWcreewall JW, how you doing today, I'm doing awesome Riley it's the day beforebreak so just caught up on some things made afew reeds practice that old bus soon and I'm ready to take the weekend offcatch up with friends of family yeah, you're, going back to Michigan Right,I'm going back to Michigan, going to spend four days with family and thenmake a quick trip out to Lancing to see some of my college friends. So itshould be just a really great weekend. Overall Yeah that sounds really reallyfun. I will be staying in town for Thanksgiving tiis doing nothing. Do you have any plants, not Thanksgiving related? No I'mactually working most of the week except for Thursday, but on SaturdayI'm seeing Hamilton Madison with. Are you going with somebodyoriginally? Yes, although things got weird and shifted around, so I actuallyhave an extra ticket to Hamilto Him Tbut, I'm just trying to find someoneto give to ow Lauh the track. It's like six and ahalf hours but yeah. I like, I asked a couplepeople around me and no nobody seems to be around or something I don't know-everybody's fleeing feelin. I feel like that should just be your header oncoffee meats, Bagel, I'm trying so hard man to findsomething to give this ticket to. I don't even like I' Ont Gnna have to beparticularly close to the person. I just feel like Thir's such a waste. Ifthis ticket doesn't get used, you know hundred percent a Wak wea hats, preallyhave fantastic seats to yeah its, probably like a hundred and Fiftyarticket, or something like yeah eah around there. So Bang Yeed to see ityeah, but I mean I'm not getting burnt on it. My friends taken the ll on themoney, but it is funny, though I just want to givethit. I literally want to give it away. I can't find anyone to take it so yeah whate thouit'll be funregardless, I'm really excected. I love music, I mean. Maybe you could. Maybeyou could like go to a fast food restaurant, its like RAV it around orleave it under on like a table and a McDonald's or like go like give it to ateacher, find a teacher in town who you know is really outstanding and deservea break and Yaie at all know what teacher togive it to Yo, be any teacher, Eddie Teacher, ' okay!I don't even know a single teacher around here, Howbout Wabout, afirefighter just yeah. I could go to the firedepartment just like gather them all up in a circle, drop it in the middle andhave them fight over it. No, I ju does't have me that 'll aprit,but you just walk up to the nearest fire fighter. Roun for your is, wouldyou like a ticket to Hamilton that sounds like ISTA bizarre thing todo. I'm offfloaded Someodo! It's all good!Okay! Well, I'm Nsted to hear what you do. I'm really excited to go, though.No matter what happens, I am a huge musical fan. So that is something thatI didn't know about you until this year. But my Saturday isn't the only thingthat's going on this weekend. There is also a fairly large pokemon tournament.Well, actually, it's kind of small in the grand scheme of Pokmon Reson TNON, but there is a pokmon regional,Standar regional happening in Daytona Beach Florida this weekend. So thoseyou looking to spend your Thanksgiving and kind of a more a warm Cluenjanjoyable beach climate. That might be the choice for you or, if you justwant to play, bookmark Gards Anon, never to Thetowna, so it is astandarregional first American standard event, Post Laic and so COSMEC ECLIPSis illegal in a full force. We've seen...

...some cups going on over the last twoweekends as well. So I mean the metal has developed a little bit. I think,but I think a lotof stayed the same as well dsure. What are your primary, likeinitial thoughts heading into Daytona, for how that metagame might look yeah?Well, I think Mutu is going to be big. I think it'll probably be one of themost played archetypes. We kind of saw that it could hold its own in LatinAmerica and I feel like that will continue. Obviously, you have a new wayto build me to with the tag call engine, utilizing tag, call and a bunch of thetag team supporters, which is very strong and was very strong against. Youknow decks like ATP, which was rampant in Latin America, and so I think, Moutojust in general, is a good archetype not as reliant on welder as abilitiesared, although still pretty reliance, but it has a little bit more ability. Ifind to I' play a lot of the other decks and when you matched up ahead tohead against the billin ystartit has a little bit more trickeration that newstricoroheayse creation, I also feel like stall, is in a really good spot,namely Pigioto seems just like a very strong choice for the event, and I kindof feel like ATP is on the down trend, which will lead to some other decksbeing biable yeah. So ATP definitely seems like it'skind of heading down a little bit. I think other people have kind of caughtonto similar sentiment sentiments that we've had about the deck feeling kindof awkward. What, with that whole, you know put a tag team in the active andsay hope you don't kill it. That's that's an awkward way to spend a turnfor sure. So we talked about you have mentionedMOU to rather, and you had called out the tag t mention being pretty strongin the deck. I think what makes that viable at all Amuseso, as opposed tolike abilities, ard, is the fact that you can do a four energy three hundred,so you onl need to Walter once in two turns to achieve that right. What are your thoughts on the way toplaym you to, though, I think there's still some kind of up in the airsentiments about the tag call engine versus the welder engine? I meanpersonally, I think the Walter Anin super good, but the TACOL engine isprobably better if you expect to see stuff like Caldaos, an atps runningaround yeah, exactly and even things like Guardian to. I just think it hasthe tancall engine in me to yeah. Has that versatility I feel like? I wouldtake that deck or I'd more prefer to take that style deck to a tournamentlike Daytona, then I would just the straight. You know pokagear and welderflavored Mutu, just because it has that type coverage. So do you expect Dex,then like ATP and Guardiont, to have decent representation in Daytona tojustify that call or do you or was u rather just or you don't necessarilyknow for sure and you'd rather play the same game there? I exactly. I don'treally know. I talk to a lot of players where they say you know. Oh ATP isreally well represented in my area and then you know in Columbus. There reallyisn't anybody playing ATP in the locals that I've been to. I just seems to varyby region, and so it's kind of a tossup. I think you justkind of have to take a gamble at who you think is going to show up at theevent whether or not you think they're going to play ATP to you know kind ofdecide whether or not you want to play the techal engine, but I would justtrend toward safe. You know, Avis, probably better in this case, don't really want to roll the dice inthat way at a big tournament. That's fair for sure. Although thistournament is smaller, do you think that lends itself to be easiermetagamed or do you think it's almost harder, because it's a littleunpredictable who might show it yeah...

...sure I mean it might be. I mean it'll probably be harder write,because you'd have to imagine that the better players who are the ones thatyou want to metagame against are going to be more represented than the worstplayers in a small tournament. If that makes any sense, so I think in a wayprobably harder, because- and we talk about this a lot- you don't necessarilywant to Meta game strictly against the field, but you want to met agameagainst the better players, because, ideally the long you last in thetournament orwhatver the players are going to be. You Hope, so you hope soyeah right, I mean eer, also wil O Chim at a gamefor the best staks in the format that the top players will ring and your likeround aide you play against something completely insane by somone. Absolutely absolutely! Well! That's interesting! I think Ithink playing it safe is I mean it's always the safe choice? It's alwaysreasonable to do so. So is there any reason that you've trended towardsVeuto over a similar deck in abilitys Zard? ANTEL again, I I need to yeah, Ifeel like Youto. Has he the chance to outplay a little bit more? You haveaccess to snipe attacks. You have access to a four energy. Three hundredyou have access to. You know things like outrage. You have actess tothings that go through. You know in the Graninja you things that you knowgo through Kelldio. You just have a lot of different attacks. You have so Golio,you have MAG cargo, you so basically I like it because you have multiple waysto like one shot, but also multiple ways to kind of disrupt what youropponents trying to do. So I just feel like it's going to be it's going to bemaybe like not as explosive, but it's goingto have a lot of other advantages that can help it keep pace. Yeah of the like big, big, bad decks.You know, abilities are ad, I think, comes to mind, we're kind of pittingthese two kind of against each other. They were in the finals of LatinAmerica. I think a lot of people have launched onto ability, esartas kind oftheir choice, just being a very straightforward deck. Very you know,feels very comfortable. I think a lot of players played it. You know in thatworld's format and then kind of left it go for a little while, while meto wasreally dominating and then now are kind of picking it back up as a viablealternative, some of o the other decks. So I would go with me Tude just because Ifeel like you can hot play your opponent and I think that's reallyreally huge. I'm curious that o your thoughts on maybe the abilities ourverse Meu to I don't know, debate. That seems to be a lot of top players choices, one of those twodecks, at least. For my perspective, it's probably two of my top three. Whatwould you say to players that are thinking about? Maybe Mutu or abilitiesare heading into Daytona Yeah. Well, as you know, I've been a huge fan ofWalderdex for a while now just really enjoying MOU to reallyenjoy Ta builities aret as well, I think, generally speaking, Moutu isprobably a more consistent deck as far as it can do more with less so wetalked about this. I think last week, where, if abilities are starts to runcold, it continues to run cold because the welder hitting the initial welderis what enables you to draw more cars and draw more welders after that. Solike typically, if you, if you wit for two, turns you'll, probably just keepwhipping after that, whereas if you're hitting welders turng one and twoyou'll probably have thome the rest of the game after that, so so it's definitely more hot and cold,with ability starve, versand Youtub can go, attach a TAC terbo strike or attachwelder. On the second turn, a after playing some bizarre tag, teansupporter tourn one and then you know flairits gx or something so is muchless reliant on hitting of certain things and at the particular turns right. I meanthe only thing that maves you really...

...need to hit in the right order is likethe POKEMON. I would say true. It's really important that you tra a thepoke on at the right time. I mean, I think, you' even had a stream gametoday, where, like you, drew a Pokmon and you I mean this is a deliveratechoice but like Yiu, you a Pokmon in the wrong order and it ended up. Youknow getting to a weird situation later down to the Lott Road Right, so that can happen off a charish wall, butthat can also happen off of just you know. Drawing Thei Wron Po on and thatsfeels weird for sure, yer poly there's also like more weird starters than youtoo. I guess just because of that. There's a lot of gxis Sol some morevolubal to low poney, whereas tabilities are can primarilyplay like one price to prize game. If it wants to so there's like pros andconst each. I guess I think the reason I would if I had to choose between thetwo. I think I prefer you to and the reason that is is because I could domore with less. I get anxious about playing a deck likeAbilitis arted, a big tournament just because it's very run high and Itypically don't run very hot. So so anything they can like. Let meleverage the resources I have already is it's a option I would favor. Typically,although honestly, though, I think my favorite Walterdeck going is thisformat, it doesn't play mutual or Russhis art, it would probably be thethe baby bounstack and I think that's caught a lot of steam all across theboard. I think a lot of people have kind of caught on to all ye've beensaying for a couple weeks now that baby blown seems really good. This formatyeah. I know that you also feel kind of similarly about, I being a pretty gooddack. What are your thoughts on baby blonds going into this format and well?Why is it a potential contender or why is it maybe not the choice for you?Well, I think it's really strong. We saw just the the inclusion of the cleffferry doll or Lily's doll or whatever lily spoki doll es e Dol. Yes, shelooks like a CUF ferry Nol, but I think it was originally translated. Lilas, gofarry, doll, okay, okay, in any case, Lily's Hoke doll. It's just really good for the deck tokind of help you out of that early game, because that's the biggest strugglewith that deck is like just getting out of that early game where you can startto set up your pigies and then as soon as you, you know, build up your boardstate in your hand, then you can start going in with you know repeated. Youknow two: Seventy or well three hundreds whatever, whatever you need todo, the fire ball circus. So I like that inclusion. I think that's Gong tojust be standard. Just for that reason alone. It helps you in that early game. I just like the deck a lot. I thinkit's extremely fun to play. I think it takes a lot of very good matchships and,yes, you, you know, you kind of do need to run hot, but I think there is somemore decision making than in a welder style deck, because I think with welderyou Genera F, the likeabilities ard you just generally want to attack attack atech attech attack, but sometimes with the baby. BLONDSTECK ther may be a turnthat you maybe sit back or wait a turn to like dig for a greatcatcher, because your hand is, you know so filled with. I don't know things thatyou don't want to discorgease Y. I don't know just saying that, there's alittle bit more decision making there's a little bit more, that you can kind offiness htin y baby blondsteck, and I think part of the point that you'regetting that are there's the deck, has the option of time on its side asThowas to these gx tecks, which have to move constantly, especially againstbaby behons. They have to keep moving andditially with it without customcatchers being in most tex in the format you can kind of just sit back,build up a giant hand ret. You can sack one prizors, an a lot attack. TaMatchup youonly need to knockout, so you can. Realistically, you cansacrifice quite a few of your pocom on yeah Ti. That's a huge huge buff forthe baby, blon stack and we've kind of been seeing as as these litts have been evolving.We've kind of been seeing ATP put back...

...in the custom catchers to deal withthese one prize decks, so we'll see kind of how that interplayworks out this weekend. I'm excited to see that yeah I mean ATP with Couson.catcers could potentially be a bad matchup if you have a slower start,because you'll typically be relying on sacrificing uncle farry dollar to tolet the adps kind of fizzle out. While you take you build up your gigantic canto take all your prizes with so cousin countrers could be a viable inclusionwhich could also factor into another potential matchup deck. That wasrounding really well at La IC and then hit the crappiestmatchup of all time and tape and dolstal I mean also takes so manyamazing matchips. Why is that not just the plight w? Well, I've been saying it.I Guess All Week Aka Today on my, but just that I feel like stall is reallywell poised. I think Pigiono is pretty good. I think dol stall is very, verystrong, considering all the things that we talked about last week, I'm notgoing to really say anything new, but I feel, like doll stall, sets up a lockso quickly that if your deck isn't, you know doesn't have any answers to it,then you can get quickly just kind of run. Out of the game. I mean not runout of the game, it's very slow and painful, but you a the game. Reay plyyou get slowly walked out of the game yeah and like if ADP is on the decrease,which I believe it is then probably the the decks worst matchup is all of asudden out of the picture right. So we think of criagonal is being verydifficult to deal with and, like some people have been talking about tocryagonal in ATP, to deal with dolls, because doll will put in the Spiri Tumband the Rainbow Energy you know and all the stuff it's kind of the you knowmaybe well play three Spiri Tume and maybe they'll play three Caracgnal, but but now that maybe Inki is kind of onthe backfoot, maybe won't se as much play. I feel, like also all is probablya very, very strong choice and I would not be surprised to see one or more intop eit. Do you think more people potentially look at playing kind of anOmastar line? We saw some of that in la IC. I mean that's a pretty effectiveway to deal with the doll. Is that a viable choice, or do you think that'sjust kind of a one time deal? It feels very interesting. I guess Idon't think that it has much merit, but I could see that happening. Yeah Ey. I feel that I feel like it'sonly viable, truly in green sex, that cangrab thin fossti yeah. It feels alittle bit gimmicky and a lot of the other decks, and even the green stickslike if you're running I tried is twenty Ir, tried, Greens Almastar with Gengar, and it just gotrun over. I couldn't beat anything this format because, like abilities, aren'tin MOU to can run pretty well with one or two pokemon in play, so I was justgetting bodied turnafter. They didn't even need the like. The the item lockdidn't even hurt, that's fair! So Fair, I don't think the gangard deck is verygood. Well, I'm not saying that I'm just using that as an exampleyeahithink that why the Homisar is so bad right right, just that the Omistarlock doesn't provide, I think the strength that it used to sure that'strue, so you also called out. Pitgy, though I mean could Yo, obviously, is a more activemill deck compared to with the additional bellof em bicemancompared to theallstall, which does use belava, but with much less cadence, tosay the least. So what is the pros and constent? We talked before about thedifferent matchups of those decks. What would you favor personally as a stallbact hetting I this weekend between the two I mean personally, I would favorthe dolsal just for the reasons that we've already articulated. However, Idon't think that Pigioto is all that bad either. I think it probably is ofequal strength and it again gets better...

...with the decrease of ATP, maybe evenmore sor, more so than dollstal, at least with dallstall. You can kind ofpush up a doll and after ATPS user gx attack like theycan't take a prize if you can keep promoting dolls and have at least twobench right, because I can use feon and things like this. If they don't playcostome catchers, then that's totally fine, but with Pagota you're kind ofalways sacrificing a prize right. You always have excuse me. You always havelike a an a rangaroo ind, the active or anArcuno, and the active o always have that going there, and so I just feel like for me. I wouldrather play the dollstall, but I think there are a lot of merits to playingPigeotan. I think it gets a little bit better if we think that ANP is notgoing to be rearly well played yeah well, well, there's another deck. I thinkthat serves is x factor it an all of this, and that is our good old psychicfriend Malamar I mean Malivart had next to no representation in la IC, but Idon't know about UGV, but I've seen all over like twitter and facebook, peoplehave been playing Malimartin roves at challenges and cups. I know for sure the last form atMalimar was definitely a very popular cup deck, but it did see spatterings ofsuccess at the regional level to beatopsic scene. Stop aits top ere susnever really got past the top EIG threshold, but till still representedin high quantities. For sure, do you think Malmar is the chance to come back?I mean I personally think if ATP is on the decrease, like we talked about Malamars kind of poised to make it comeback. I don't think like it truly doesn't, have terrible matchups and youcan play stuff like the Sogalio Onalla to now get around the healing thatMalon Lana provides especially after a spell tag. Sure absolutely I mean Ithink the deck is is better now than it was, but I think just had enough of a samplesize with Malamar in the format to to kind of definitively say thatthis is not a deck that will win origionals. I think it has everypotential to get top, for. I think, as every potential to you know, have a topaigd spot or two, but I don't think it has what it takes to win. I mean thatplan of simple. I don't think it has whatd it takes to win, it may be tentedand it may have a decent showing in top thirty two may make it all the way totop a top for, but I don't think it can. I don't think it can went. That'sactually super funny that you're saying that, because actually on the drivehome today I was in my car. You know it's pitch black outside on my way homefrom work, because it's the middle of winter- and I was just thinking aboutpokemon cards, because that parenly- that's all I think about- and I was thinking about some stuff that myfriends were talking about about like them getting into Malimar, and I waslike really to me. I agree with you a hundredpercent like when you play Malamar. It almost says you're resigning yourselfto not winning a high level tournament. In my opinion, I mean how many tournaments have hundreds ofpeople by Malimara and it hasn't even broke. I think it maybe has like onetop four and all of that like like what? What more do you need toprove that Malmar isn't the the rigional winning Dack at this pointright I mean it's: had the it's had the same like core to the for the whole.You know existence of you know this year right. It's been basically buildthe same way for the longest time and I don't think there's any real new spicytech or new inclusion or exclusion that will make beck. You know infinitelybetter than it was you know, because it wasn't that good. I mean veryserviceable deck. A very serv, I'm not...

...like l t just such pity points that you'regiving wow, but don't listen to this and think,Oh, you know JW hates Malamar like it's the worst dick ever know. I think it'sa solid tear is the worst steck in the format. I think t like Nagquag. It'sprobably the ors. Second, all right, Karry, your three Beck but yeah, I mean Malimars, a very solidtere to deck, but just like maybe a step below ADP, I would say in the inthe strength of the tear two decks doesn't have what it takes to sobmit.Take it all the way yeah I mean I do feel kind of similar,but I do want to point out some merit to the deck as well. I mean custom. Catcher is kind ofphased out, which means that it's hard to get around spell tags and it meansthat your Malmars are safer on the bench. It also Malelana decks, namely ADTP arekind of getting lower and I don't feel like people are prepared for a highdamage attacker, be it alten, acrossma or Slokallio, and Alla both able to doincredible output. So I don't know, I don't think I don'tthink it's the worst choice in the world, but I just think eventually thedeck will catch up to you, not so much the fact that it's like a bad choice oras bad matchus but like something about Malamar, has like thislooming cloud over it and eventually you'll just get you'll just get pooped on and like topefour top EIDT and like you'll, stop drawing Valamars, and it just feelsreally bad and the deck. Then you think of the deck terrible or you'll tie inlike a a best of three or something I all sorts of weird stuff can happenwith Malomar feels like but after, but I also want to point out like a lot ofthe decks that we have been talking about and hyped up a lot. I think baby bondis a great example of this is a edeck that we have heavily heavily hyped. Ittakes a hard altimate or I mean reallyright right I mean you can win,but I m an IT really shouldn't like yeah yeah. Absolutely it's very difficult. Itotally understand what you mean and I think there is like there is a worldwhere Malamard hits. You know nine baby blounds and they one and cruises intoday too, but I don't know if that's the Daytona World Yeah I mean I don'tknow. If that's planet earth, that's Planic. OHGARLAC ton lack the flantotwhere every regional is won by Mala. The catron is just getting messagesbeamed down to him from Colecttra exactly he knows, and he knows he knowsome. He knows something. We don't man he's hearing things from beyond ourdimension. I just I do think thereare actuallylegit merit to Malimar going to this tournament. wheres like a lot oftournaments. I would sake, there's literally no reason to play Melar likedon't. Do it yeah yeah, you know. So absolutely I just I worryabout like. I worry about it's Mu to Matchof, although it does, you know,get serviceable. If you include the mimic you, I will grant it that againstthat card. But then you worry about abilities ar like, if they're justgusting up every single time your Malamars like how do you beat that everif they can knock out your you know, Geraci turn one with Etran and thenevery turn thereafter, they're gusting up your Malamars, it just seems abysmalfor O new. I mean that's how the match was gone pretty much every time Iplayed it, except for the League challenge that I justwent to where I got bodied, because I didn't draw welder, but every other time. That's how the Matcimso you're saying there's a chance saying, there's absolutely a chance,but I guess Peoe Cha with everything right...

...broken. So I mean Malmar. Also, though,has ways to finess a lot of these stall decks as well, so forth, keeping inmind sure yeah. Absolutely absolutely again, I'm not saying Malimar is likethe worst deck. I think if you have a lot of practice with it, if you're veryconfident in it and you choose the right text, I think go very far as amalamark player. However, is not my choice because it has never been mychoice. It has never done well, you know relatively like if we, if wecompare the stats of Malomar and the stance of Mutub like there is nocommarison yeah, I mean you. Cal Include Mamar for the past couple ofyears and it wouldn't matter to you to and that's what I'm saying right T W atyou yeah. You can N Youo from the last what three months and Malamar theentirety of its existence. Andyeh Aso. I don't think it gets that much betterand you know I think you're just really taken a big risk by playing it. They are for sure man I mean on thewhole, I agree with you. I just think there's an above average Malamarm,meatow shaving up right now, at least from our vision of it sure so you talked about. So I think that'sa lot of like the surprise dexrather that I think we might see heading intothis tournament. Jolly fine man asked about Blouns Gx, we so we get on baby bhouse we didn't hit on Papa Bloun. Do you think there's merit to playing papablown in this tournament, or do you think baby Loun is the ultrave Steck ofchoice? I think probably baby bland is, I thinkbig blonds is okay, but this loses a little bit too much to, I would say things like stall, althoughyou could play again if you play t the Stinger and the Baby Boll suffle on youhave a pretty good shot against. You know things like doll stall, but Ithink it's okay again a tear two deck that I don't think can hold its one against things like Muuand abilities. Ard Yeah, I mean big blown, does have aninsane stall matchup, though, if you do play that Stinger and the the baby will Sefon, because I mean itdestroys pitgy and doll stall, both which is a pretty awesome to cardpackage. To be honest, do you tin? Do you think? There's merit to that andtnot alone I mean we also hyped up Stallas as a viable archetype. I mean again. Maybe I just I don't knowthat, like I don't know that it can be me to consistently. I don't know that it canit just kind of loses steam all the Times that I played Belo Sufpalon, it'sjust kind of not been in, like I always miss that one energy ar I always MISSDthat ertual you know B straing or I always missed that one neganadel orwhatever it is. It always just seems like I'm one card short that where Iwant to be at at that point of the game, so I can't really articulate why it'sbad necessarily or why it's, maybe so not bad. I don't want to say TBAT Maye,be why it's so optimal. I can't quite articulate that, but it just hasn'tperformed that well. For me, yeah I mean to be honest. I'M APE SEP Lon Hater forsure I I'm a huge hater, so I always have been otine the podcast on metaphorcast thatI've been on I've. Always eone me like don't play lands. I hate that deck it'scar, so I'm probably not the best stors forblounds and fo as far as Bon gx, but I just like the deck. I think the onlyreal merit to the deck is the fact that has just destroys these stal decks withthe baby blond package, Tru, thats or Andlyin San no right, and it givesitself a fighting chance against the the Mutus and the and the abilities areso I mean it has a it has a decent matchup against tag teams. If it stays up and running the whole game, Imean it can get run off the boardd so easily, though- and I mean really, if you look at thetop forr match from Laic- that kind of...

...feels like every game I ever play withblown where you just kind of draw awkward and lose in like four turnsexactly EXAC, I would stay. I would shy away from the deck personally, but I would never. I love Bav on,though, that tis awesome, yeah grocks, we stand Maby, we definitelystand. We stayae baby lats hard in this podcast to be oest, but yeah. I mean it's interesting rightbecause I think I think there is just generallyspeaking like to the metagame as a whole like if ADP is, nobody is no. Ifnobody's respecting adpgy fly mat says you know, will it will it rise again? Ithink, speaking to that, I think it has a very not a bad match, necessarilyagainst MOU to but Moutu being able to do three hundred on turn. Two is very,very strong, so it's like probably a forty for IEAs, a worst matchup againstfirebox yeah, and then it's also like pretty bad into firebox. Exactly solike, I think, ATP IF YOU'RE taking bad loss to those two decks, even if, likethe rest of the field, doesn't respect it, I still think it's probably not thecorrect play yeah for sure. So I mean we could go on forever about Roge,dexanis format and possible options. I mean I do think this format has quite afew options. avaiable to, I think we've had a a lot of the big ones. So another question that I have for you,though: It calls back to something that you asked Er you talked about ratherearlier about. You want to teck for the good players going into a tournamentand in this particular field, they'll be an above average representation ofgood players, relative Le Speaking, like Pi, chart wise they'll, be abigger slice of big players or good players. Rother. What do you think thetech or the deck to beat going to the tournament is from that perspective?What do you think that the good players will be considering and playing? I meanthey play a lot of people play neg Lord at the last term. I don't think that's.I don't really think that's coming back for a second run. No, I don't Ri mean,I would say stall, I would say all would be the choice of the top players.I could be completely wrong with that, but I mean I suspect, that, as you see,players like Jimmy and a Zul, you know playing these decks likeabilities. Are you kind of wonder you know whether they're actually testingthat or whether they are? You know kind of trying to you know, get more players to playthose types of decks. You know not saying that there's any manipulationgoing on or they can just play whatever decadeove challengeer coer or theyullever deck like hey, it's the sleeve up right ACL, I do feel like I do feel like aStaldeck, is going to be the deck of choice by the top layers. Interesting yeah, I mean I I think it's hard to say I think it'shard to say at stall look strong, but I think there's so much that can go wronglike if a lot of people play Malley and Bloungx, you have to be prepared forthose matchups for sure, absolutely or ADP can like build it to to beat stallmore reliably. Yeah! That's a good point, that's goodpoint! Thogh there are, and then I gai and then just loke Thac around like ATP,becomes the Thejacko choice again and like right. It's like wwe're and thenguys Nag wins the tournament you get to harted circles right becauseyou say oh well, this beats this and then this. Well then, this peads thisand then you know we're back to square one and ATP is the most REPRESENTC Yeah I mean. I know I'm super guiltylike the night before tournament of falling into that circle like well. IfI you know what this happens, that this happens so then I should play this, butthen, if I playd that- and this happens- and I should play this instead yeahwell- I think e're Gon to see is a lot of copy pasta, abilities, ard. I feellike that will be one of the most...

...represented just because it's it's agood deck, very strong, very explosive, very high role. I think a lot of peopletend to gravitate towards that. It's something that a lot of players haveplayed for a long time. You know, since worlds results came out, abilities, arthast been good, so I think a lot of people will just generally gravitatetowards that they're going to be gone for Thanksgiving they're, not going tohave that much time to test like you know, Wednesday, Thursday Friday, so Ithink they're going to default on Abaila dizart. I do feel like that.Will be the most played, I think you two will have a very strong showingagain very good. Dick would not be surprised to see that whin again justparm deck against a lot of things, and then you know I just feel like stall is upthere among some of the best archetypes right now, yeah for sure. Well, I thinkthat's it. I would agree with most of that and I think that's a pretty goodperspective into the Meta. I think I think you pretty much had the naile andthey had, especially with the fact that a lot of people just play copypots ofire lists, because that's what they're used to that's what they like and it'sa strong deck, so it kind of lends itself O to being apopular deck as well ture, so shifting away from Daytona just for a secondhere it is the week of Thanksgiving. So I thought it would be fun if we eachshared something that we were thankful for in the Fookman community, be astory or a Pokemon or a game, or just a experience that you had. What issomething that you are thankful for? Anlet's, let's limit it to the pastyear of Pokemon. Well, I'm thankful for this podcast. I'm thankful for all thelisteners and everyone here in the Chav right now with is brthat's Che. That'sJeetan man, that's se! Well, I know, but I I think we ad right. I mean youdon't say you don't say: Oh it's cheating to call out your family whenyou say things that you're thankful for that's true, that's true, like a carras,your Fal, but no, I link before you know theTimes that we've shared on this podcast Riley and thank you again to all thelisteners who you know, hype us up who share our product and who download andlisten to us every single weeks. So you guys all rock and love you guys so thankful for everyoneof you ind the chat and everyone would be listening on Itune, spotify,stitcher, etcetera. I would say what else am I thankful for I'm thankful for who I'm thankful for Pokemon organizedplay for giving cash rewards to regionals CAS there Reson? Why? No? But I'm thanking it going further.I'm thankful for pokemon making some very significant changes in the lastyear to the POKEMON organized play. One thing I cound think of is like the moreimedia payouts. I think I we got you know. We've been getting better payautslike within two weeks of the event. It's a been verazy fast and very goodto see. That's a very sim something I'm very thankful for, and very thankfulfor, just the general changes to the structure. There is a little bit of. I don't know controversy, I guess tothe play Pokimon structure, but I think they are moving in a good direction andI think they are at TVCI listening to players generally and trying to im somechanges. So I'm thankful for that. Yeah Yeah, I think really they've done areally good job or the past couple years. I think the the top Eit stipinor the eight best ine livants typein thing was a little odd, but I thinkthat'll probably go away after the next year. Yeah, I think theyre. I thinkthey're listening. If, even if it's only partially wellit's like I mean thependulum, seems to be swinging yeah, but as with pendulums, it seems to becoming closer and closer to the middle. You know so may get it wrong, but it'slike closer than what it's been in the past, exactly Soido S, MN firsure yeah.I feel like they'll. I feel like they'll hit a sweet spot sooner orlater, and it just seems to be the gap...

...seems to be closing between you know like where everybody wants it and whereit is yeah. That's definitely true. I would saypersonally I as well a I'm thankful for all F, the listeners and viewers of thepodcast. I got to say one thing that I really really loved is every time I goto an event. I am overwhelmed by the support from people who even F it'sjust a single person end even who comes up and says: Hey, I listen to yourstuff. I really enjoy that. That has been really fulfilling to me and I'mglad that we've been able to have positive iimpact on at least a crosssection of the community. So, thank you all who are listening. You are awesome.I got to say as an experience in the past year, I'm thankful for SNAM the Pokomon fromfrom sort and shield, but also, I think, Pokamon Ha just been a really bigblessing for me. I did move to Madison this year from Columbus and that wasreally difficult for me being into de area, not having a lot of friends orreally a base to work around and Pokemon allowed me to have that commonground to meet all sorts of new people and feel more comfortable in my newhome. So I mean that was a really huge asset to me. Io'd probably be lottlyinmiserable if it wasn't pror Pokamon, so you know just as a whole. I reallyappreciate the community and what Playpook Mon is a whole representivoffers to us as members of it so absolute little Sapfy, but but I quite love this series and whanit brings it's chating rosy, that's that was not cheating. That was I thatwas an experience that I shared with everybody cheeing Rightpptpp Ana Babykayo. Anyway, we will probablybe coming closer to the end here, so we'll open up the floor now toquestions and we'll answer a couple of those. There won't be a pokon afterdark today, because aw needs to catch some disease and so ask away chat and we will we willhit on that J. So, n thekeil Q has a question about bird flu riley. What areyour opinions on Pigioto stall and where do you think it'll? You know rankthis weekend in Daytona Yeah. I think staldecks always staldek benefit from not being a huge. I guess they benefit from being thewild card in the medaw right, and I think it was really expected in laic toplay birds and dolls and stuff like that, and so it didn't perform a expectations.But I think now people are a little less concerned about it. I will besurprised if a lot of people tape Robin's list and just cut the zebra andstuff like that. So I personally think it's on the up asopposed to laice. I don't know if it's the Best Eck for these tournaments,because I think a lot of people will still be prepared, but I think it'sdefinitely a superior deck than it was a couple weeks ago. Sure absolutely joly. FIMAN ASK: Should Baby Blouns runnine tales for the doll stall match up so perhapfs the unde one dido nine talsline could be fine yeah. I mean that's oneway that you can deal with it. I think maybe probably the best waythat you could deal with it. So if you're really considering playing babyblonds yeah I mean definitely have the stall matchop in mind. I mean we'vebeen saying we think stallis very good. Again, it's another deck like if peopledon't respect stall, then it kind of you know onrampant. I think the deckthat most respected stall was ADP right with their inclusion of one orsometimes even too criagal. That was the deck that just wanted to beat stall.For whatever reason, I don't know how how everyone who seemed to play ATPcame up with that idea. I was very surprised that every aghyp play Ciogono...

...yeah. So definitely definitely if you're,considering baby blowncs, you know, and you think that dollstall or justgeneral stall will be big. Considering inetails, I don't think the ninetaleswill help againsttall a they'replaying. The hoods, that's a good point. I think it Coud. Ithink it could help against Pigy, though sure sure I was going to say hat,it depends on kind of their list and maybe not against Allsal, but maybeagainst Picioto, just depending on what they're playing right, yeah, Youd,probably ee, O re set samp as well, but yeah definitely an option sure so, justincomit, our ass F Y is ATP. So bad. Well, I think the biggest I'll sayfirst and then Rale you can you can say some sentiments. I think the biggestreason is Mouto. I think that turn like so the clock. If you go second with ATPAGAINST METU, just sign the slip like Youre dus in Ha slip, the whole match an the whole match is over but like,but for real, like they can do three hundred faster than you can accelerate. So so, if they can do three hundredbefore you can accelerate, then the the game is over. So I think Mutu is a realgood keyper to ATP yeah same thing with the firebox Yep and just R, leaving a tack team inthe active on purpose. So I just see seem so bad right, we'releaving a tag team and basically passing on Purfase S. it's true. I know I know just who yousaid it is just so like, like so abrupt and like man, you're so stupid. I mean it's SOE matchups the time thatyou're taking to get to the the GX and then Gxing, it's even worth the extraprize because he could have just taken thosefries extrarfise. In that time I mean you know what some people prefer to doit the long way. You know some people prefer to to shot with a kldogx Soa. Imean it's better than three shotting with the Keldoo. A that's true, that'strue! So that's Otto, as which one of you will win outregional first. It is definitely going to be me because I'm going to put waymore time into expanded, which nobody puts enough effort into nobody putsenough effort into expandid him literally Dallas is the same regional,I'm going to man so well, then I will see you in the five that would bepretty epic to Ye Yeah. That would be insane. I've always had the dream oflike finding a friend in the finals of a matchupand. We, like you, know justlike play or silly like we just like shuffle our cards without sleeves andlook. You know you like shuffle them on the table. You know like you fan themout, like you would, when you're playing poker or something yeah ie just always have had that dream.That would be pretty crazy. Ik just do other weird things or like try to loseor something I don't know ris. Se, you could teck out first yeah yeah try towin by alternate isthing like that. That's pretty funny! I think personallyit'll be me because we're taking turns so, but I think it'll be me, because I am afiercer competitor yeah every tournament that we both havebeen out simultaneously. I have done better. I mean I guess that is that isobjectively true. Is that true? Have we been to any leag cups, no yeah, so yoydon't get to benefit off my leak up? Oh actually, we have we've been to NBOStogether and I did better o line. Gosh you're Rightalthangdig, Dang. Okay, I guess that's true. I guess I guess you're my crip tonight yeah. Itake your power JW. Where did you get...

...that jacket? I got this jacket. I gotthis jacket yesterday at a craigslist garage sale, ofcourse Yo did but AnnaRepublic. That's such a JW sentence. I got this. I got this sweater to both ofthese. I got for five dolars and a pair of blue genins and two shirts off fortwenty five bucks. I mean that's, that's insane not going Ta lie. This issuch a nice coat. I love it. Yeah I mean you, look and you're lookingreally fresh today not going to lie for for people on on the PODCAST afcwis.Looking really really fly today for sure, but yeah, I'm G, fivedollarjacket, you haven't even seen it all yet, so I think with that, will probably bedrawing it to a close. Thank you all so much for listening today. I hopeeveryone has an awesome, Thanksgiving holiday and we will talk to you whallnext week with some updates from Daytona and how that went. Gad Lave you any last rer marks. I hopeyou guys have a great Thanksgiving thanks again for listening and we willcatch you in a week and EFOR Gus. Thank you guys,all so much for supporting us again. We're very thankful for you guys and can't wait for another week, he's thateveryone.

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