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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 8 · 2 years ago

7. Date in Daytona

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All right, what is everybody?Welcome back to tag team. I'm Riley hold joined by my good friend JWCurry. Wall JW, how you doing today? I'm doing awesome, Riley. It's the day before break, so just caught up on some things,made, if you reads, practice that old bassoon and I'm ready to takethe weekend off catch up with friends and family. Yeah, you're going backto Michigan Right? I'm going back to Michigan, going to spend four dayswith family and then make a quick trip out to lansing to see some ofmy college friends. So it should be just a really great weekend overall.Yeah, that sounds really, really fun. I will be staying in town forThanksgiving to just doing nothing. Do you have any plans not Thanksgiving related? No, I'm actually working most of the week except for the Thursday,but on Saturday I'm seeing Hamilton Madison. With why are you going with?Somebody? Originally yes, although things got weird and shifted around. So Iactually have an extra ticket to Hamilton that I'm just trying to find someone togive to. How long's the drive? It's like six and a half hours, but yeah, I like I've asked a couple of people around me andno, nobody seems to be around or something. I don't know. Everybody'sfleeing. Feel awesome. I feel like that should just be your header oncoffee, meats BAGEL. I. I'm trying so hard, man, tofind something to give this ticket to. I don't even like I don't evenhave to be particularly close to the person. I just feel like this such awaste if this ticket doesn't get used. You know, Oh, hundred percentaway. Yeah, that's really a fantastic seats to yeah, it's probablylike a hundred and fifty ticket or something like. Yeah, around there.So thank you. To see it. Yeah, but I mean I'm notgetting burnt on it. My friends taken the L and the money. Butit is funny, though. I just want to give it. I literallywant to give it away. I can't find anyone to take it. So, yeah, whatever, though, it'll be fine regardless. I'm really excited. I love me. So I mean maybe you could. Maybe you couldlike go to a fast food restaurants, like lave it around or leave itunder on like a table and a McDonald's or like go like give it toa teacher, find a teacher in town who you know is really outstanding anddeserve a break. And what I have at all. Know what teacher togive it? We any teacher? Any teacher? Well, I'm okay,I don't even know a single teacher around here. How about? How abouta firefighter? It's just yeah, I could go to the fire department justlike gather them all up in a circle, drop it in the middle and havethem fight over it. Oh, no, I did. That'll laperate. But you just walk up to the nearest firefighter around for your wrist.Would you like a ticket to Hamilton? That sounds like strip bizarre thing todo. I'll offload it some out. Oh, it's all good. Okay. Well, I'm interested to hear what you do. I'm really excited togo, though, no matter what happens. I am a huge musical fan,so that is something that I didn't know about you until this year.But my Saturday isn't the only thing that's going on this weekend. There isalso a fairly large pokemon tournament. Well, actually it's kind of small in thegrand scheme of POKEMON regional ten one, but there is a pokemon regional,a standard regional happening in Daytona Beach, Florida this weekend. So yeah,for those of you looking to spend your Thanksgiving and kind of a morewarm, enjoy enjoyable beach climate, that might be the choice for you.Or if you just want to play bookmon cards, head on over to theTOWNA. So it is a standard regional the first American Standard Event Post La, I see. So cost me eclipse is now legal and a full force. We've seen some cups going on over...

...the last two weekends as well.So I mean the Meta has developed a little bit, I think, butI think a lot of stayed the same as well. Jw Shure, areyour primary, like initial thoughts heading into Daytona for how that Meta game mightlook? Yeah, well, I think mewtwo is going to be big.I think it'll probably be one of the most played archetypes. We kind ofsaw that it could hold its own in Latin America and I feel like thatwill continue. Obviously you have a new way to build new too, withthe tag call engine, utilizing tag call and a bunch of the tag teamsupporters, which is very strong and was very strong against, you know,decks like ATP, which was rampant in Latin America, and so I thinkmew too, just in general, is a good archetype, not as relianton welder as abilities are, although still pretty reliant, but it has alittle bit more ability, I find, to outplay a lot of the otherdecks and when you matched up a head to head against ability, started hasa little bit more trickeration. That new stricuration, he says creation. Ialso feel like stall is in a really good spot, namely Piggioto seems justlike a very strong choice for the event, and I kind of feel like ATPis on the down trend, which will lead to some other decks beingviable. Yeah, so ATP definitely seems like it's kind of heading down alittle bit. I think other people have kind of caught on to similar sentiment, sentiments that we've had about the deck feeling kind of awkward while with thatHole. You know, put a tag team in the active and say hopeyou don't kill it. That's that's an awkward way to spend a turn forsure. So we talked about you have mentioned me two rather and you hadcalled out the tag team engine being pretty strong in the deck. I thinkwhat makes that viable at all? Of you two as opposed to like abilitiesare, is the fact that you can do a for energy three hundred.So you'll need to water once in two turns to achieve that. Right.What are your thoughts on the way to play? Me Too, though,I think there's still some kind of up in the air sentiments about the tagcall engine versus the welder engine. I mean, personally I think the waterengine is super good, but the tag call engine is probably better if youexpect to see stuff like Kel Dao's a atps running around, yeah, exactly, and even things like Guardian to. I just think it. It hasa the tag call engine in me too. Yeah, has that versatility. Ifeel like I would take that deck, or I'd more prefer to take thatstyle deck to a tournament like Daytona. Then I would just the straight,you know, poke a gear and welder flavored mewtube, just because ithas that type coverage. So do you expect x then, like ATP andGuardian to, to have decent representation in Daytona to justify that call, ordo you would you rather just or you don't necessarily know for sure and you'drather play the same game there. I exactly? I don't really know.I talked to a lot of players where they say, you know, Oh, ATP is really well represented in my area and then, you know,in Columbus there really isn't anybody playing ATP. In the locals that I've been to, it just seems to vary by region and so it's kind of atoss up. I think you just kind of have to take a gamble atwho you think is going to show up at the event and whether or notyou think they're going to play ATP to, you know, kind of decide whetheror not you want to play the tachill engine. But I would justtrend toward safe, you know, probably better in this case. Don't reallywant to roll the dice in that way at a big tournament. That's fairfor sure, although this tournament is smaller. Do you think that lends itself tobe easier metagamed or do you think it's almost harder because it's a littleunpredictable who might show up? Yeah,...

...sure, I mean it might be. I mean it'll probably be harder right, because you'd have to imagine that thebetter players, who are the ones that you want to Meta game againstare going to be more represented than the worst players in a small tournament,if that makes any sense. So I think in a way probably harder because, and we talked about this a lot, you don't necessarily want to Meta gamestrictly against the field, but you want to Meta game against the betterplayers because ideally, the longer you last in the tournament, better the playersare going to be. You Hope, so, you hope so. Yeah, right, I mean, or also each I'm at a game for thebest decks in the format that the top players will bring and you're like roundeight. You play against something to completely insane by someone absolutely absolutely well.It's interesting, I think. I think playing it safe is I mean it'salways the safe choice. It's always reasonable to do so. So is thereany reason that you've trended towards the view two over a similar deck? INABILITIESare until again, I feel like me too. Yeah, I feel likemetwo has the the chance to. I'll play a little bit more. Youhave access to snipe attacks, you have access to a for energy three hundred. You have access to, you know, things like out rage. You haveaccess to things that go through, you know, in in the Granninja, you things that you know go through. Kelde Oh, you just have alot of different attacks. You have so Goalio, you have MAG cargo. You. So basically, I like it because you have multiple ways tolike one shot, but also multiple ways to the kind of disrupt what youropponent is trying to do. So I just feel like it's going to beit's going to be maybe like not as explosive, but it's going to havea lot of other advantages that can help it keep pace. Yeah, someof the like big, big bad decks, you know, abilities are and Ithink comes to mind. We're kind of pitting these two kind of againsteach other. They were in the finals of Latin America. I think alot of people have latched onto abilities are as kind of their choice, justbeing a very straightforward deck, very you know, it feels very comfortable.I think a lot of players played it, you know, in that world's formatand then kind of left it go for a little while while me twowas really dominating, and then now are kind of picking it back up asa viable alternatives some of the other decks. So I would go with me too, just because I feel like you can help play your opponent and Ithink that's really, really huge. I'm curious as to your thoughts on maybethe abilities are verse Newtwo. I don't know, debate that seems to bea lot of top players choices one of those two decks. At least frommy perspective it's probably two of my top three. What would you say twoplayers that are thinking about maybe mew two or abilities aren't heading into Daytona.Yeah, well, as you know, I've been a huge fan of welderdecks for a while now. Just really enjoy me two really enjoyed abilities areit as well. I think generally speaking, mew two is probably a more consistentdeck as far as it can do more with less. So we talkedabout this, I think last week, where if abilities are starts to runcold, it continues to run cold because the welder hitting the initial welder iswhat enables you to draw more cars and draw more welders after that. Solike typically, if you if you with for two turns, you'll probably keepwhipping after that, whereas if you're hitting welders turn one and two, you'llprobably hit them the rest of the game after that. So so it's definitelymore hot and cold. With ability starvers. You Two can go attach attached turbostrike or attach welder on the second turn and after playing some bizarre tagteam supporter turn one, and then, you know, Flav fits gx orsomething. So ys much less reliant on hitting certain things and at the particularturns where. I mean the only thing...

...that means you really need to hitin the right orders, like the POKEMON. I would say, sure, it'sreally important that you draw the Pokemon at the right time. I mean, I think even had a stream game today where, like, you drewa Pokemon and you, I mean, this is a deliverer choice, butyou could your pokemon in the wrong order and it ended up, you know, getting to a weird situation laiter down the road right. So that canhappen off a cherish wall, but that can also happen off of just,you know, drawing the wrong pokemon, and that's feels weird for sure.there. Well, there's also like more weird starters in me too, Iguess, just because of that. There's a lot of gx's. It's allsome more vulnerable to low honey, whereas abilities are can primarily play like oneprize to prize the game if it wants to. So it's there's like prosand Constach, I guess. I think the reason I would if I hadto choose between the two, I think I prefer you too, and thereason that is is because it can do more with less. I get anxiousabout playing a deck like abilities areted a big tournament just because it's very runhot and I typically don't run very hot. So so anything they can like letme leverage the resources I have already is it's an option I would favortypically also. Honestly, though, I think my favorite welder deck going intothis format, it doesn't play Mutuo or rush he's art. It would probablybe the the baby bounce deck, and I think that's caught a lot ofsteam all across the board. I think a lot of people have kind ofcaught on to all you've been saying for a couple weeks now that baby bloundseems really good this format. Yeah, I know that you also feel kindof similarly about it being a pretty good deck. What are your thoughts onbaby blonds going into this format and will why is it a potential contender orwhy is it maybe not the choice for you. Well, I think it'sreally strong. We saw just the inclusion of the clif fairy doll or Lily'sdoll or whatever little spokey doll. At least Fucke Doll, yes, whichlooks like a Clif fairy doll, but I think it was originally translated asLili school ferry doll. Okay, okay, in any case, Lily's poke adoll is it's just really good for the deck to kind of help youout of that early game, because that's the biggest struggle with that deck islike just getting out of that early game where you can start to set upyour piggies and then as soon as you you know, build up your boardstate in your hand, then you can start going in with, you know, repeated you know, two hundred and seventy or well, three hundreds,whatever, whatever you need to do, the fireball circus. So I likethat inclusion. I think that's going to just be standard just for that reasonalone. It helps you in that early game. I just like the decka lot. I think it's extremely fun to play. I think it takesa lot of very good matchups and yes, you, you know, you kindof do need to run hot, but I think there is some moredecisionmaking than in a welder style deck because I think with welder you general theliabilities are you just generally want to at tack, attack, attack, attack, attack, but time. So with the baby blond stck there may bea turn that you maybe sit back or wait a turn to like dig fora great catcher because your hand is, you know, so filled with,I don't know, things that you don't want to discarde. Yeah, Idon't know, just saying that there's a little bit more decisionmaking. There's alittle bit more that you can kind of finesse right in the baby blond stickand I think part of the point that you're getting that are there's the deckhas the option of time on its side. Throws to these gx decks which haveto move constantly, especially against baby blonce they have to keep moving.Additionally, with it, without custom catchers being in most x in the format, you can kind of sit back, build up a giant hand right.You can sack one prizers. In a lot of a tag team matchups you'llneed to knock out so you can realistically you can sacrifice quite a few ofyour pokemon. Yeah, until then. That's a huge, huge buff forthe baby blond stick and we've kind of been seeing as as these lost havebeen evolving, we've kind of been seeing ATP put back in the custom catchersto deal with these one prize decks.

So we'll see kind of how thatinterplay works out this weekend. I'm excited to see that. Yeah, Imean ATP with custom catchers could potentially be in bad matchup if you have aslower start, because you'll typically be relying on sacrificing uncle ferry dollar to tolet the ATPS kind of fizzle out while you take you build up your gigantichand to take all your prizes with. So cousin cutchers could be a viableinclusion, which could also factor into another potential matchup deck that was running reallywell at La, I see. And then hit the crappiest matchup of alltime and top A and doll stall. I mean dolls. I'll take somany amazing matchups. Why is that not just the plight? Love you.Well, I've been saying it, I guess, All Week, Aka todayon my but just that I feel like stall is really well poised. Ithink Piggi Oto is pretty good. I think doll stall is very, verystrong. Considering all the things that we talked about last week, I'm notgoing to really say anything new, but I feel like doll stall sets upa lock so quickly that if your deck isn't you know, doesn't have anyanswers to it, then you can get quickly just kind of run out ofthe game. I mean not run out of the game. It's very slowand painful, but you for the game very complete. You get slowly walkedout of the game. And like if ATP is on the decrease, whichI believe it is, then probably the decks worst matchup is all of asudden out of the picture. Right. So we think of criagonal is beingvery difficult to deal with and like some people have been talking about too criagonalin ATP to deal with dolls, because doll will put in the spear tombin the Rainbow Energy, you know, and all the stuff. It's kindof you know, maybe we'll play three spere tune, maybe they'll play threecar agonal. But but now that maybe inky is kind of on the backfoot, it maybe wants he as much play. I feel like alsol isprobably a very, very strong choice and I would not be surprised to seeone or more in top eight. Do you think more people potentially look atplaying kind of an almost our line? We saw some of that in La. I see. I mean that's a pretty effective way to deal with thedoll. Is that a viable choice or do you think that's just kind ofa onetime deal? It feels very interesting, I guess. I don't think thatit has much merit, but I could see that happening. Yeah,yeah, I feel that. I feel like it's only viable truly and greenstecks that can grab thing fossil. Yeah, it feels a little bit gimmicky anda lot of the other decks, and even the Greens decks, likeif you're running. I tried is funny. I tried Greens almost are with gangare and it just got run over. I couldn't beat anything this format becauselike abilities are in me. Two can run pretty well with one ortwo pokemon in play. So I was just getting bodied turn after they didn'teven need to like the the item lock didn't even hurt. That's fair.To be fair, I don't think the gang or deck is very good.Well, I'm not saying that, I'm just using that as an example.Yeah, think that why the a'Mostar is so bad, right, right,just that the a'most oar lock doesn't provide, I think, the strength that itused to. Sure that's true. So you also called out Pigie,though. I mean pige obviously is a more active mill deck compared to,with the addition of Elablem Bis, the man, compared to doll stall,which does use bell of of but with much less cadence to say the least. So what is the pros and constant? We talked before about the different matchupsof those decks. What would you favorite personally as a stall that headingin sin this weekend? Between the two? I mean personally, I would favorthe dolls all, just for the reasons that we've already articulated. However, I don't think that Piggioto is all that bad either. I think itprobably is of equal strength and it again...

...gets better with the decrease of ATP, maybe even more, sort of more so than doll stall. At leastwith doll stall you can kind of push up a doll and after ATPS usergx attack like they can't take a prize if you can keep promoting dolls andhave at least two bench right, because they can use fion and things likethis. If they don't play custom catches, then that's totally fine. But withPaggioto you're kind of always sacrificing a prize, right. You always have, excuse me, always have like a a Ranguru in the active or anArcuno in the active, so you always have that going there, and soI just feel like for me I would rather play the doll stall, butI think there are a lot of merits to playing piggioto and I think itgets a little bit better. If we think that ATP is not going tobe very well played. Yeah, well, well, there's another deck I thinkthat serves as x factor than all of this, and that is ourgood old psychic friend Malamar, I mean Malivar had next to no representation inLa, I see, but I don't know about you, JW, butI've seen all over like twitter and facebook, people have been playing Lamartin's roves atchallenges and cups. Is I know for sure, the last format.Malamar was definitely a very popular cup deck, but it did see spatterings of successat the regional level to be a top sixteen, top eights, topthirty two. Is never really got past the top eight threshold, but stillstill represented in high quantities. For sure. Do you think Malamar is the chanceto come back? I mean, I personally think if ATP is onthe decrease, like we talked about, Malamar's kind of poised to make acomeback. I don't think like it truly doesn't have terrible matchups and you canplay stuff like the soul Galleo Lunala to now get around the healing that MalanLana provides, especially after a spell tag. Sure, absolutely. I mean Ithink the deck is is better now than it was, but I thinkI just had enough of a sample size with Malamar in the format to tokind of definitively say that this is not a deck that will win our regionals. I think it has every potential to get top for I think, asI've potential to, you know, have a top eight spot or two,but I don't think it has what it makes to win. I mean thatplanet simple. I don't think it has what it takes to win. Itmay be presented and it may have a decent showing a top thirty two maymake it all the way to top eight, top for but I don't think itcan. I don't think it can win. That's actually super funny thatyou're saying that because actually, on the drive home today I was in mycar, you know it's pitch black outside, on my way home from work becauseit's the middle of winter, and I was just thinking about pokemon cardsbecause the parallel, that's all I think about. And I was thinking aboutsome stuff that my friends were talking about, about like them getting into Alamar,and I was like really, to me, I agree with you ahundred percent. Like when you play Malamar, it almost says you're resigning yourself tonot winning a high level tournament. In my opinion, I mean not. How many tournaments have hundreds of people play Malamar at and it hasn't evenbroke? I think it maybe has like one top four and all of that, like like what's what more do you need to prove that Malamar isn't thethe regional winning deck at this point? Right? I mean it's had theit's had the same like core to the day for the whole you know,existence of you know this year, right it's been basically build the same wayfor the longest time and I don't think there's any real new spicy tech ornew inclusion or exclusion that will make deck, you know, in definitely better thanit was, you know, because it wasn't that good. I meanvery serviceable deck, a very sort of I'm not like that. It's justsuch pity for it. So you're giving...

...it. Well, but don't listento this and think, Oh, you know, JW hates Malamar like it'sthe worst deck ever. No, I think it's a solid tear. Whatis the worst? I can the format. I think like Nag quag. It'sprobably the worst. I can all right, carry only it's your threedeck. But yeah, I mean Malamars are very solid tear to deck,but just like maybe a step below ATP, I would say, in the inthe strength of the tier two decks, doesn't have what it takes to submittake it all the way. Yeah, I mean, I do feel kindof similar, but I do want to point out some merits to thedeck as well. I mean, custom catcher is kind of phased out,which means that it's hard to get around spelled tags and it means that yourMala Mars are safer on the bench. It also Malalana decks, namely ATP, are kind of getting lower and I don't feel like people are prepared fora high damage attacker. BE IT Olson ACROSSMA or Slokalia Lan Alla, bothable to do incredible output. So I don't know, I don't think.I don't think it's the worst choice in the world, but I just thinkeventually the deck will catch up to you, not so much the fact that's likea bad choice or as bad matchups, but like something about Malamar has likethis looming cloud over it and eventually you'll just get you'll just get poopedon and like top for top eight and you'll stop drawing alamars and it's justfeels really bad and the deck then you think of the decks terrible, oryou'll tie in like a best of three or something. All sorts of weirdstuff can happen with Alamar, feels like, but after but I also want topoint out, like a lot of the decks that we've been talking aboutand hyped up a lot. I think baby bombs is a great example ofthis. Is a deck that we have heavily, heavily hyped. It takesa herd outtimelor, I mean really, right, right, I mean youcan win, but I mean it really shouldn't. Like, yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's very difficult. I totally understand what you mean and Ithink there is like there is a world where Malamar hits, you know,nine baby blounds and they one and cruises in the day too. I don'tknow if that's the Daytona world. Yeah, I mean I don't know if that'sthe planet earth. That's planet Garlacton relact, the planet where every regionalis one by Malamar. The KTRON is just getting messages beam down to himfrom collector exactly. He knows and he knows he knows something, he knowssomething we don't and he's he's hearing things from beyond our dimension. I justI do think they're actually legit merits to Malamar going to this tournament where it'slike a lot of tournaments, would say there's literally no reason to play Malamar, like don't do it. Yeah, yeah, you know, so absolutely. I just I worry about like I worry about it's me too, matchup, although it does, you know, get serviceable if you include the mimicyou. I will grant it that against that card. But then youworry about abilities ared, like if they're just gusting up every single time yourMalamars, like how do you beat that, ever, if they can knock outyour you know, Geraci turn one with Etran and then every turn thereafterthey're gusting up your Malamars, it just seems abysmal for you. I meanthat's how the match was gone pretty much every time I played it, exceptfor the League challenge that I just went to, where I got bodied becauseI didn't draw welder. But every other time that's how the magic you're sayingthere's a chance play, and there's absolutely a chance, but I guess theyfor change with everything right broken. So...

I'm Almar also, though, hasways to finesse a lot of these stall decks as well. Something worth keepingin mind. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Again, I'm not sayingMalamar is like the worst deck. I think if you have a lotof practice with it, you're very confident in it and you choose the righttext, I think can go very far. As a Malamar player, however,it is not my choice, because it has never been my choice.It has never done well. You know, relatively, like if we if wecompare the stats of Malamar and the stats of Mewtwo, like there isno comparison. Yeah, I mean you can include Almar for the past coupleof years and it wouldn't match you too. That's what I'm saying right, itwould you. Yeah, you can from the last what three months,and Alamar the entirety of its existence and ND. So I don't think itgets that much better. And you know, I think you're just really taken abig risk by playing it. Yeah, for sure, man. I meanon the whole I agree with you. I just think there's an above averagemalim arm meadow shaving up right now, at least from our vision of it. Sure, so you talked about so I think that's a lot oflike the surprise deck rather that I think we might see heading into this tournament. Jolly fine. Man Asked about blounds Gx. We so we hit onbaby blows, we didn't hit on Papa blown. Do you think there's meritto playing Papa blown and this tournament, or do you think baby lownd isthe Ultravi Steck of choice? I think probably baby blond is. I thinkbig blonds is okay, but this loses a little bit too much too,I would say, things like stall, although you could play again, ifyou play the the Stinger and the baby bullths Cephalon, you have a prettygood shot against, you know, things like doll stall. But I thinkit's okay. Again, a tear two deck that I don't think can holdits own against things like mew two and abilities are. Yeah, I meanbig Bloud does have an insane stall matchup, though, if you do play thatStinger and the the baby boss Cephalon, because, I mean it destroys pitchyand doll stall both, which is pretty awesome to card package, tobe honest. Do you think? Do you think there's merit to that andthat alone? I mean we also hyped up stall as a as a viablearchetype. I mean again, maybe I just I don't know that, likeI don't know that it can be mean too consistently. I don't know thatit can. It just kind of loses steam. All The Times that Iplayed Ballis Cephalon, it's just kind of not been it. Like I alwaysmiss that one energy. I always missed that curtial, you know, bestring or I always miss that one Nagana Delle or whatever it is, andalways just seems like I'm one card short and where I want to be atat that point of the game. So I can't really articulate why it's badnecessarily or why it's maybe so not bad. I don't want to say that,maybe why it's so optimal. I can't quite articulate that, but itjust hasn't performed that well for me. Yeah, I mean to be honest. I'm a will cephalon hater for sure. Okay, I'm a huge hater.So I always have been. On the PODCAST, passed on metaphorcast thatI've been on, I'm always the one to be like, don't play blonds, I hate that deck. It's car so I'm probably not the best storiesfor Blounds Info as far as blonds g x, but I just like thedeck. I think the only real merit to the deck is the fact thathas just destroys these stall decks with the baby bloond package. Sure that's anyINS right, and it gives itself a fighting chance against the the Mu Two'sand the and the abilities are right. So I mean it has a ithas a decent matchup against tag teams. If it stays up and running thewhole game. I mean it can get run off the board so easily,though, and I mean really, if you look at the top four matchfrom La, I see that kind of...

...feels like every game I ever playwith blown where you just kind of draw awkward and lose in like four turns. Exactly. I would stay. I would shy away from the deck personally, but I would never I love Avivon that. that. That's awesome.Yeah, Garacks, we stand, baby, we definitely stand. We still havebaby lots hard in this podcast, to be honest. But yeah,I mean it's interesting right, because I think I think there is just generallyspeaking, like to the metagame as a whole. Like if ATP is nobodyis, if nobody's respecting ATPGI flyman says, you know, will it's will itrise again? I think, speaking to that, I think it hasa very, not a bad match are necessarily against mew two, but metbeing able to do three hundred on turn too is very, very strong.So it's like probably a forty for I guess, the worst matchup against firebox. Yeah, and then it's also like pretty bad into firebox exactly. Solike I think ATP if you're taking bad loss to those two decks, evenif, like the rest of the field doesn't respect it, I still thinkit's probably not the correct play. Yeah, for sure. So, I meanwe could go out forever about rogue decks in this format and possible options. I mean, I do think this format has quite a few options tobe able to I think we've had a lot of the big ones. Soanother question that I have for you, though, it calls back to somethingthat you ask her. You talked about rather earlier about you want to techfor the good players going into a tournament, and in this particular field they'll bean above average representation of good players, relatively speaking, like pie chart.Wise, they'll be a bigger slice of big players or good players either. What do you think the tech or the deck to beat going to thetournament is from that perspective, what do you think that the good players willbe considering and playing? I mean they play, a lot of people playNag Lord at the last tournament. I don't think that's what I don't reallythink that's coming back for a second run. Not there. I mean I wouldsay stall. I would say stall would be the the choice of thetop players. I could be completely wrong with that, but I mean Isuspect that, as you see players like Jimmy and a Zul, you know, playing these decks like abilities are, you kind of wonder, you know, whether they're actually testing that or whether they are, you know, kindof trying to, you know, get more players to play those types ofdecks. You know, I'm not saying that there's any manipulation going on orthey can just play whatever deck out a challenger cover, or they could pullover deck like hey, it's the sleeve up right exactly. I do feellike. I do feel like a stall deck is going to be the deckof choice by the top players. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, I Ithink it's hard to say. I think it's hard to say. Atinstall look strong, but I think there's so much that can go wrong,like if a lot of people play Mallie and blown Gax, you have tobe prepared for those matchups, for sure, absolutely. Or ATPE can like buildit to to beatstall more reliably. Yeah, that's good point. That'sgood point. So there are and then I can and then just loose thataround, like ATP becomes the Jack of choice again. And like all right, it's like we're and then you gus Nag wins the tournament. You gettoo hard in circles, right because you say, oh well, this beatsthis and then this. Well, then this beats this and then you know, we're back to square one. An ATP is the most REPRESENTA. Yeah, I mean I know I'm super guilty, like the night before a tournament,of falling into that circle like well, if I I you know what,if this happens and this happens while then I should play this, butthen if I play that and this happens and I should play this instead.Yeah, well, I think we're going to see, as a lot ofcopy pasta abilities are, I feel like that will be one of the mostrepresented just because it's it's a good deck,...

...very strong, very explosive, veryhigh role. I think a lot of people tend to gravitate towards that. It's something that a lot of players have played for a long time.You know, since world's results came out, abilities are hast been good. SoI think a lot of people will just generally gravitate towards that. They'regoing to be gone for Thanksgiving. They're not going to have that much timeto test, like you know, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. So I thinkthey're going to be fault on. Abilities are I do feel like thatwill be the most played. I think mew two will have a very strongshowing again, very good deck. Would not be surprised to see that.When again, just strong deck against a lot of things. And then,you know, I just feel like stall is up there among some of thebest archetypes right now. Yeah, for sure. Well, I think that'sa I would agree with most of that and I think that's a pretty goodperspective into the Meta. I think I think you pretty much had the nailon the head, especially with the fact that a lot of people just playa copy pots to fire lists because that's what they're used to, that's whatthey like, and it's a strong deck, so it kind of lends itself toto being the popular deck as well. Sure. So, shifting away fromDaytona just for a second here, it is the week of Thanksgiving,so I thought it would be fun if we each shared something that we werethankful for in the Pokemon community, be a story or a Pokemon or agame or just an experience that you had. What is something that you are thankfulfor and let's let's limit it to the past year of Pokemon. Well, I'm thankful for this podcast. I'm thankful for all the listeners and everyonehere in the chat right now with us. That's cheap, that's cheating, man, that's you. Well, I know, but I think we hadright. I mean, you don't say you don't say, Oh, it'scheating to call out your family when you say things that you're thankful for.It's true. That's true your family. But no, I am thankful for, you know, the Times that we've shared on this podcast, Riley,and thank you again to all the listeners who you know, hypis up,who share our products and who download and listen to us every single week.So you guys all rock and love you guys. So thankful for every oneof you in the chat and everyone of you listening on Itunes, spotify,stitcher, etc. I would say, what else am I thankful for?I'm thankful for WHO. I'm thankful for Pokemon organized play, for giving cashrewards to regionals. Is there a reason why? No, but I'm thankfulit's going further. I'm thankful for a pokemon making some very significant changes inthe last year to the POKEMON organized play. One thing I can think of islike the more immediate payouts. I think I we got, you know, we've been getting better payouts like within two weeks of the event. Thatit's a bit crazy fast and very good to see. That's a very sentsomething I'm very thankful for and very thankful for just the general changes to thestructure. There is a little bit of, I don't know, controversy, Iguess, to the play Pokemon structure, but I think they are moving ina good direction and I think they are at TPCI listening to players generallyand trying to some changes. So I'm thankful for that. Yeah, yeah, I think really they've done a really good job. Or the past coupleof years. I think the top eight stipend or the eight best finished eventstype in thing was a little odd, but I think that'll probably go awayafter the next year. Yeah, I think they're I think they're listening,if even if it's only partially. Well, it's like, I mean the pendulumseems to be swinging. Yeah, but as with pendulums, it seemsto be coming closer and closer to the middle. You know, so youmay get it wrong, but it's like closer than what it's been in thepast exactly. So I do I mean for sure? Yeah, I feellike they'll. I feel like they'll hit a sweet spot sooner or later,and it just seems to be the gap seems to be closing between, youknow, like where everybody wants it and...

...where it is. Yeah, that'sdefinitely true. I would say personally, I as well as I'm thankful forall of the listeners and viewers of the podcast. I got to say onething that I've really, really love is every time I go to an eventI am overwhelmed by the support from people who, even it was just asingle person an event who comes up and says hey, I listen to yourstuff. I really enjoy that. That has been really fulfilling to me andI'm glad that we've been able to have positive impact on at least a crosssection of the community. So thank you all who are listening. You areawesome. I got to say as an experience in the past year, I'mthankful for Snam, the Pokemon from from sword and shield, but also Ithink pokemon is has been a really big blessing for me. I did moveto Madison this year from Columbus and that was really difficult for me, beinginto a new area, not having a lot of friends or really a baseto to work around, and Pokemon allowed me to have that common ground tomeet all sorts of new people and feel more comfortable in my new home.So I mean that was a really huge asset to me. I'd probably belonely in miserable if it wasn't for POKEMON. So you know, just as awhole, I really appreciate the community and what play Pokemon is a wholerepresents and offers to us as members of it. So absolute little Saffy,but but I quite love this series and what it brings. Roops cheating,really, that's that was not cheating. That was it. That was anexperience that I shared with everybody cheering, writ B B B. Thank you, gippy, you and me, big baby. Anyway, we will probablybe coming closer to the end here, so we will open up the floornow two questions and we will answer a couple of those. There won't bea Pokemon after dark today because awe needs to catch some disease, and soask away, chat and we will. We will hit on that, JohnSo nic you'll Nikiel quite has a question about bird flu. Riley, whatare your opinions on Piggioto stall and where do you think it'll, you know, rank this weekend and Daytona? Yeah, I think stall decks always stalled decksbenefit from not being a huge I guess they benefit from being the wildcard in the meadow right and I think it was really expected in l seeto play birds and dolls and stuff like that, and so it didn't performexpectations. But I think now people are a little less concerned about it.I will be surprised if a lot of people takee Robin's list and just cutthe zebra and stuff like that. So I personally think it's on the upas opposed to la I see. I don't know if it's the best deckfor these tournaments because I think a lot of people will still be prepared,but I think it's definitely a superior deck than it was a couple weeks ago. Sure, absolutely, jolly fly man ass should baby blounds run nine tailsfor the doll stall matchup. So perhaps a one, one ditto nine tailsline could be fine. Yeah, I mean that's one way that you candeal with it. I think maybe probably the best way that you can dealwith it. So if you're really considering playing baby blonds, yeah, Imean definitely have the stall matchup in mind. I mean we've been saying we thinkstall is very good. Again, it's another deck. Like if peopledon't respect stall, then it kind of, you know, run rampant. Ithink the deck that most respected stall was ATP right with their inclusion ofone, or sometimes even two criagonal. That was the deck that just wantedto beat stall for whatever reason. I don't know how how everyone who seemedto play ATP came up with that idea. I was very surprised that every ATPplayed criagonal. Yeah, so definitely,...

...definitely. If you're considering baby blounds, you know, and you think that doll stall or just general stallwill be big, consider a nine tails. I don't think the nine tails willhelp against alls. They're playing the hoods. That's a good point.I think getting good. I think it could help against piggy though. Sure, sure, I was going to say that it depends on kind of theirlist and maybe not against all stall, but maybe against Picchioto, just dependingon what they're playing right. Yeah, you'd probably need to research stamp aswell, but yeah, definitely an option. Sure. So, Justin Kamasar askedwhy is ATP so bad? Well, I think the biggest I'll say firstand then Riley, you can, you can say some sentiments. Ithink the biggest reason is mew two. I think that turned like so theclock. If you go second with ATP against me too, just sign theslip like you're done. You're not slip the whole match. Yeah, thewhole match is over. But like, but for real, like they cando three hundred faster than you can accelerate. So so, if they can dothree hundred before you can accelerate, then the game is over. SoI think mew two is a real gate keeper to ATP. Yeah, samething with the firebox. Yeah, and just are leaving a tag team inthe active on purpose. So it just seem seems so bad, right,you're leaving a tag team and basically passing on purpose. It's true. Iknow, I know, I just thought you said it is just so like, like so abrupt in like, man, you're so stupid. I mean it'ssome matchups, the time that you're taking to get to the the GXand then Gxing is even worth the extra prize, because you could have justtaken those fries extra prize in that time. I mean, you know what,some people prefer to do it the long way. You know, somepeople prefer to to shot with a keldogx. So Hey, I mean it's betterthan three shotting with the Keldkime. That's true. That's true. Sothat's AUTOHASS. Which one of you will win a regional first? It isdefinitely going to be me, because I'm going to put way more time intoexpanded which nobody puts enough effort into. Nobody puts enough effort in a expandedliterally, a Dallas is the same reason I'm going to see a man.So well, then I will see you in the fire. That would bea pretty epic of H Yeah, that would be insane. I've always hadthe dream of like finding a friend in the finals of a matchup and welike, you know, just like play or silly, like we just likeshuffle our cards without sleeves and look, you know, you like shuffle themon the table. You know, like you you fan them out like youwould when you're playing poker or something. Yeah, I just always have hadthat dream. That would be pretty crazy. I just do other weird things orlike try to lose or something. I don't know. Try to seeyou can deck out first. Yeah, yeah, try to win by alternatemission like that. That's pretty funny. I think personally it'll be me becausewe're taking turns. So Hmm, but I think it'll be me because Iam a fiercer competitor. Yeah, every tournament that we both have been outsimultaneously, I've done better. I mean, I guess that isn't that is objectivelytrue. Is that true? Have we been to any lead cups?No, yeah, so you don't get to benefit off my lead cup.Oh, actually, we have. We've been to envos together and I didbetter. Fine, Gosh, you're right. All right, Dang, Dang,Dang. Okay, I guess that's true. I guess I guess you'remy cryptonite. Yeah, I take your power JW. Where did you getthat jacket? I got this jacket.

I got this jacket yesterday at acraigslist garage sale, of course, but Anna Republic, that's such a JWsentence. I got this. I got this sweater to both of these Igot four five dollars and a pair of blue jeans and two shirts, allfor twenty five bucks. I mean that's that's insane. Not gonna lie.This is such a nice coat. I love it. Yeah, I meanyou look and you're looking really fresh today. Not gonna lie for four people onon the F podcast, appjw is looking really, really fly today forsure. But yeah, I'm good. Dollar Jacket, you haven't even seenat all yet. I think. With that will probably be drawing it toa close. Thank you all so much for listening today. I hope everyonehas an awesome Thanksgiving holiday and we will talk to you all next week withsome updates from Daytona and how that went, JW. Any last re marks.I hope you guys have a great thanksgiving. Thanks again for listening andwe will catch you in a week. And for you guys. Thank you, guys all so much for sporting us again. We're very thankful for you, guys and can't wait for another week. Piece out everyone.

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