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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 8 · 2 years ago

7. Date in Daytona

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All right, what is everybody? Welcome back to tag team. I'm Riley hold joined by my good friend JW Curry. Wall JW, how you doing today? I'm doing awesome, Riley. It's the day before break, so just caught up on some things, made, if you reads, practice that old bassoon and I'm ready to take the weekend off catch up with friends and family. Yeah, you're going back to Michigan Right? I'm going back to Michigan, going to spend four days with family and then make a quick trip out to lansing to see some of my college friends. So it should be just a really great weekend overall. Yeah, that sounds really, really fun. I will be staying in town for Thanksgiving to just doing nothing. Do you have any plans not Thanksgiving related? No, I'm actually working most of the week except for the Thursday, but on Saturday I'm seeing Hamilton Madison. With why are you going with? Somebody? Originally yes, although things got weird and shifted around. So I actually have an extra ticket to Hamilton that I'm just trying to find someone to give to. How long's the drive? It's like six and a half hours, but yeah, I like I've asked a couple of people around me and no, nobody seems to be around or something. I don't know. Everybody's fleeing. Feel awesome. I feel like that should just be your header on coffee, meats BAGEL. I. I'm trying so hard, man, to find something to give this ticket to. I don't even like I don't even have to be particularly close to the person. I just feel like this such a waste if this ticket doesn't get used. You know, Oh, hundred percent away. Yeah, that's really a fantastic seats to yeah, it's probably like a hundred and fifty ticket or something like. Yeah, around there. So thank you. To see it. Yeah, but I mean I'm not getting burnt on it. My friends taken the L and the money. But it is funny, though. I just want to give it. I literally want to give it away. I can't find anyone to take it. So, yeah, whatever, though, it'll be fine regardless. I'm really excited. I love me. So I mean maybe you could. Maybe you could like go to a fast food restaurants, like lave it around or leave it under on like a table and a McDonald's or like go like give it to a teacher, find a teacher in town who you know is really outstanding and deserve a break. And what I have at all. Know what teacher to give it? We any teacher? Any teacher? Well, I'm okay, I don't even know a single teacher around here. How about? How about a firefighter? It's just yeah, I could go to the fire department just like gather them all up in a circle, drop it in the middle and have them fight over it. Oh, no, I did. That'll laperate. But you just walk up to the nearest firefighter around for your wrist. Would you like a ticket to Hamilton? That sounds like strip bizarre thing to do. I'll offload it some out. Oh, it's all good. Okay. Well, I'm interested to hear what you do. I'm really excited to go, though, no matter what happens. I am a huge musical fan, so that is something that I didn't know about you until this year. But my Saturday isn't the only thing that's going on this weekend. There is also a fairly large pokemon tournament. Well, actually it's kind of small in the grand scheme of POKEMON regional ten one, but there is a pokemon regional, a standard regional happening in Daytona Beach, Florida this weekend. So yeah, for those of you looking to spend your Thanksgiving and kind of a more warm, enjoy enjoyable beach climate, that might be the choice for you. Or if you just want to play bookmon cards, head on over to the TOWNA. So it is a standard regional the first American Standard Event Post La, I see. So cost me eclipse is now legal and a full force. We've seen some cups going on over...

...the last two weekends as well. So I mean the Meta has developed a little bit, I think, but I think a lot of stayed the same as well. Jw Shure, are your primary, like initial thoughts heading into Daytona for how that Meta game might look? Yeah, well, I think mewtwo is going to be big. I think it'll probably be one of the most played archetypes. We kind of saw that it could hold its own in Latin America and I feel like that will continue. Obviously you have a new way to build new too, with the tag call engine, utilizing tag call and a bunch of the tag team supporters, which is very strong and was very strong against, you know, decks like ATP, which was rampant in Latin America, and so I think mew too, just in general, is a good archetype, not as reliant on welder as abilities are, although still pretty reliant, but it has a little bit more ability, I find, to outplay a lot of the other decks and when you matched up a head to head against ability, started has a little bit more trickeration. That new stricuration, he says creation. I also feel like stall is in a really good spot, namely Piggioto seems just like a very strong choice for the event, and I kind of feel like ATP is on the down trend, which will lead to some other decks being viable. Yeah, so ATP definitely seems like it's kind of heading down a little bit. I think other people have kind of caught on to similar sentiment, sentiments that we've had about the deck feeling kind of awkward while with that Hole. You know, put a tag team in the active and say hope you don't kill it. That's that's an awkward way to spend a turn for sure. So we talked about you have mentioned me two rather and you had called out the tag team engine being pretty strong in the deck. I think what makes that viable at all? Of you two as opposed to like abilities are, is the fact that you can do a for energy three hundred. So you'll need to water once in two turns to achieve that. Right. What are your thoughts on the way to play? Me Too, though, I think there's still some kind of up in the air sentiments about the tag call engine versus the welder engine. I mean, personally I think the water engine is super good, but the tag call engine is probably better if you expect to see stuff like Kel Dao's a atps running around, yeah, exactly, and even things like Guardian to. I just think it. It has a the tag call engine in me too. Yeah, has that versatility. I feel like I would take that deck, or I'd more prefer to take that style deck to a tournament like Daytona. Then I would just the straight, you know, poke a gear and welder flavored mewtube, just because it has that type coverage. So do you expect x then, like ATP and Guardian to, to have decent representation in Daytona to justify that call, or do you would you rather just or you don't necessarily know for sure and you'd rather play the same game there. I exactly? I don't really know. I talked to a lot of players where they say, you know, Oh, ATP is really well represented in my area and then, you know, in Columbus there really isn't anybody playing ATP. In the locals that I've been to, it just seems to vary by region and so it's kind of a toss up. I think you just kind of have to take a gamble at who you think is going to show up at the event and whether or not you think they're going to play ATP to, you know, kind of decide whether or not you want to play the tachill engine. But I would just trend toward safe, you know, probably better in this case. Don't really want to roll the dice in that way at a big tournament. That's fair for sure, although this tournament is smaller. Do you think that lends itself to be easier metagamed or do you think it's almost harder because it's a little unpredictable who might show up? Yeah,...

...sure, I mean it might be. I mean it'll probably be harder right, because you'd have to imagine that the better players, who are the ones that you want to Meta game against are going to be more represented than the worst players in a small tournament, if that makes any sense. So I think in a way probably harder because, and we talked about this a lot, you don't necessarily want to Meta game strictly against the field, but you want to Meta game against the better players because ideally, the longer you last in the tournament, better the players are going to be. You Hope, so, you hope so. Yeah, right, I mean, or also each I'm at a game for the best decks in the format that the top players will bring and you're like round eight. You play against something to completely insane by someone absolutely absolutely well. It's interesting, I think. I think playing it safe is I mean it's always the safe choice. It's always reasonable to do so. So is there any reason that you've trended towards the view two over a similar deck? INABILITIES are until again, I feel like me too. Yeah, I feel like metwo has the the chance to. I'll play a little bit more. You have access to snipe attacks, you have access to a for energy three hundred. You have access to, you know, things like out rage. You have access to things that go through, you know, in in the Granninja, you things that you know go through. Kelde Oh, you just have a lot of different attacks. You have so Goalio, you have MAG cargo. You. So basically, I like it because you have multiple ways to like one shot, but also multiple ways to the kind of disrupt what your opponent is trying to do. So I just feel like it's going to be it's going to be maybe like not as explosive, but it's going to have a lot of other advantages that can help it keep pace. Yeah, some of the like big, big bad decks, you know, abilities are and I think comes to mind. We're kind of pitting these two kind of against each other. They were in the finals of Latin America. I think a lot of people have latched onto abilities are as kind of their choice, just being a very straightforward deck, very you know, it feels very comfortable. I think a lot of players played it, you know, in that world's format and then kind of left it go for a little while while me two was really dominating, and then now are kind of picking it back up as a viable alternatives some of the other decks. So I would go with me too, just because I feel like you can help play your opponent and I think that's really, really huge. I'm curious as to your thoughts on maybe the abilities are verse Newtwo. I don't know, debate that seems to be a lot of top players choices one of those two decks. At least from my perspective it's probably two of my top three. What would you say two players that are thinking about maybe mew two or abilities aren't heading into Daytona. Yeah, well, as you know, I've been a huge fan of welder decks for a while now. Just really enjoy me two really enjoyed abilities are it as well. I think generally speaking, mew two is probably a more consistent deck as far as it can do more with less. So we talked about this, I think last week, where if abilities are starts to run cold, it continues to run cold because the welder hitting the initial welder is what enables you to draw more cars and draw more welders after that. So like typically, if you if you with for two turns, you'll probably keep whipping after that, whereas if you're hitting welders turn one and two, you'll probably hit them the rest of the game after that. So so it's definitely more hot and cold. With ability starvers. You Two can go attach attached turbo strike or attach welder on the second turn and after playing some bizarre tag team supporter turn one, and then, you know, Flav fits gx or something. So ys much less reliant on hitting certain things and at the particular turns where. I mean the only thing...

...that means you really need to hit in the right orders, like the POKEMON. I would say, sure, it's really important that you draw the Pokemon at the right time. I mean, I think even had a stream game today where, like, you drew a Pokemon and you, I mean, this is a deliverer choice, but you could your pokemon in the wrong order and it ended up, you know, getting to a weird situation laiter down the road right. So that can happen off a cherish wall, but that can also happen off of just, you know, drawing the wrong pokemon, and that's feels weird for sure. there. Well, there's also like more weird starters in me too, I guess, just because of that. There's a lot of gx's. It's all some more vulnerable to low honey, whereas abilities are can primarily play like one prize to prize the game if it wants to. So it's there's like pros and Constach, I guess. I think the reason I would if I had to choose between the two, I think I prefer you too, and the reason that is is because it can do more with less. I get anxious about playing a deck like abilities areted a big tournament just because it's very run hot and I typically don't run very hot. So so anything they can like let me leverage the resources I have already is it's an option I would favor typically also. Honestly, though, I think my favorite welder deck going into this format, it doesn't play Mutuo or rush he's art. It would probably be the the baby bounce deck, and I think that's caught a lot of steam all across the board. I think a lot of people have kind of caught on to all you've been saying for a couple weeks now that baby blound seems really good this format. Yeah, I know that you also feel kind of similarly about it being a pretty good deck. What are your thoughts on baby blonds going into this format and will why is it a potential contender or why is it maybe not the choice for you. Well, I think it's really strong. We saw just the inclusion of the clif fairy doll or Lily's doll or whatever little spokey doll. At least Fucke Doll, yes, which looks like a Clif fairy doll, but I think it was originally translated as Lili school ferry doll. Okay, okay, in any case, Lily's poke a doll is it's just really good for the deck to kind of help you out of that early game, because that's the biggest struggle with that deck is like just getting out of that early game where you can start to set up your piggies and then as soon as you you know, build up your board state in your hand, then you can start going in with, you know, repeated you know, two hundred and seventy or well, three hundreds, whatever, whatever you need to do, the fireball circus. So I like that inclusion. I think that's going to just be standard just for that reason alone. It helps you in that early game. I just like the deck a lot. I think it's extremely fun to play. I think it takes a lot of very good matchups and yes, you, you know, you kind of do need to run hot, but I think there is some more decisionmaking than in a welder style deck because I think with welder you general the liabilities are you just generally want to at tack, attack, attack, attack, attack, but time. So with the baby blond stck there may be a turn that you maybe sit back or wait a turn to like dig for a great catcher because your hand is, you know, so filled with, I don't know, things that you don't want to discarde. Yeah, I don't know, just saying that there's a little bit more decisionmaking. There's a little bit more that you can kind of finesse right in the baby blond stick and I think part of the point that you're getting that are there's the deck has the option of time on its side. Throws to these gx decks which have to move constantly, especially against baby blonce they have to keep moving. Additionally, with it, without custom catchers being in most x in the format, you can kind of sit back, build up a giant hand right. You can sack one prizers. In a lot of a tag team matchups you'll need to knock out so you can realistically you can sacrifice quite a few of your pokemon. Yeah, until then. That's a huge, huge buff for the baby blond stick and we've kind of been seeing as as these lost have been evolving, we've kind of been seeing ATP put back in the custom catchers to deal with these one prize decks.

So we'll see kind of how that interplay works out this weekend. I'm excited to see that. Yeah, I mean ATP with custom catchers could potentially be in bad matchup if you have a slower start, because you'll typically be relying on sacrificing uncle ferry dollar to to let the ATPS kind of fizzle out while you take you build up your gigantic hand to take all your prizes with. So cousin cutchers could be a viable inclusion, which could also factor into another potential matchup deck that was running really well at La, I see. And then hit the crappiest matchup of all time and top A and doll stall. I mean dolls. I'll take so many amazing matchups. Why is that not just the plight? Love you. Well, I've been saying it, I guess, All Week, Aka today on my but just that I feel like stall is really well poised. I think Piggi Oto is pretty good. I think doll stall is very, very strong. Considering all the things that we talked about last week, I'm not going to really say anything new, but I feel like doll stall sets up a lock so quickly that if your deck isn't you know, doesn't have any answers to it, then you can get quickly just kind of run out of the game. I mean not run out of the game. It's very slow and painful, but you for the game very complete. You get slowly walked out of the game. And like if ATP is on the decrease, which I believe it is, then probably the decks worst matchup is all of a sudden out of the picture. Right. So we think of criagonal is being very difficult to deal with and like some people have been talking about too criagonal in ATP to deal with dolls, because doll will put in the spear tomb in the Rainbow Energy, you know, and all the stuff. It's kind of you know, maybe we'll play three spere tune, maybe they'll play three car agonal. But but now that maybe inky is kind of on the back foot, it maybe wants he as much play. I feel like alsol is probably a very, very strong choice and I would not be surprised to see one or more in top eight. Do you think more people potentially look at playing kind of an almost our line? We saw some of that in La. I see. I mean that's a pretty effective way to deal with the doll. Is that a viable choice or do you think that's just kind of a onetime deal? It feels very interesting, I guess. I don't think that it has much merit, but I could see that happening. Yeah, yeah, I feel that. I feel like it's only viable truly and green stecks that can grab thing fossil. Yeah, it feels a little bit gimmicky and a lot of the other decks, and even the Greens decks, like if you're running. I tried is funny. I tried Greens almost are with gang are and it just got run over. I couldn't beat anything this format because like abilities are in me. Two can run pretty well with one or two pokemon in play. So I was just getting bodied turn after they didn't even need to like the the item lock didn't even hurt. That's fair. To be fair, I don't think the gang or deck is very good. Well, I'm not saying that, I'm just using that as an example. Yeah, think that why the a'Mostar is so bad, right, right, just that the a'most oar lock doesn't provide, I think, the strength that it used to. Sure that's true. So you also called out Pigie, though. I mean pige obviously is a more active mill deck compared to, with the addition of Elablem Bis, the man, compared to doll stall, which does use bell of of but with much less cadence to say the least. So what is the pros and constant? We talked before about the different matchups of those decks. What would you favorite personally as a stall that heading in sin this weekend? Between the two? I mean personally, I would favor the dolls all, just for the reasons that we've already articulated. However, I don't think that Piggioto is all that bad either. I think it probably is of equal strength and it again...

...gets better with the decrease of ATP, maybe even more, sort of more so than doll stall. At least with doll stall you can kind of push up a doll and after ATPS user gx attack like they can't take a prize if you can keep promoting dolls and have at least two bench right, because they can use fion and things like this. If they don't play custom catches, then that's totally fine. But with Paggioto you're kind of always sacrificing a prize, right. You always have, excuse me, always have like a a Ranguru in the active or an Arcuno in the active, so you always have that going there, and so I just feel like for me I would rather play the doll stall, but I think there are a lot of merits to playing piggioto and I think it gets a little bit better. If we think that ATP is not going to be very well played. Yeah, well, well, there's another deck I think that serves as x factor than all of this, and that is our good old psychic friend Malamar, I mean Malivar had next to no representation in La, I see, but I don't know about you, JW, but I've seen all over like twitter and facebook, people have been playing Lamartin's roves at challenges and cups. Is I know for sure, the last format. Malamar was definitely a very popular cup deck, but it did see spatterings of success at the regional level to be a top sixteen, top eights, top thirty two. Is never really got past the top eight threshold, but still still represented in high quantities. For sure. Do you think Malamar is the chance to come back? I mean, I personally think if ATP is on the decrease, like we talked about, Malamar's kind of poised to make a comeback. I don't think like it truly doesn't have terrible matchups and you can play stuff like the soul Galleo Lunala to now get around the healing that Malan Lana provides, especially after a spell tag. Sure, absolutely. I mean I think the deck is is better now than it was, but I think I just had enough of a sample size with Malamar in the format to to kind of definitively say that this is not a deck that will win our regionals. I think it has every potential to get top for I think, as I've potential to, you know, have a top eight spot or two, but I don't think it has what it makes to win. I mean that planet simple. I don't think it has what it takes to win. It may be presented and it may have a decent showing a top thirty two may make it all the way to top eight, top for but I don't think it can. I don't think it can win. That's actually super funny that you're saying that because actually, on the drive home today I was in my car, you know it's pitch black outside, on my way home from work because it's the middle of winter, and I was just thinking about pokemon cards because the parallel, that's all I think about. And I was thinking about some stuff that my friends were talking about, about like them getting into Alamar, and I was like really, to me, I agree with you a hundred percent. Like when you play Malamar, it almost says you're resigning yourself to not winning a high level tournament. In my opinion, I mean not. How many tournaments have hundreds of people play Malamar at and it hasn't even broke? I think it maybe has like one top four and all of that, like like what's what more do you need to prove that Malamar isn't the the regional winning deck at this point? Right? I mean it's had the it's had the same like core to the day for the whole you know, existence of you know this year, right it's been basically build the same way for the longest time and I don't think there's any real new spicy tech or new inclusion or exclusion that will make deck, you know, in definitely better than it was, you know, because it wasn't that good. I mean very serviceable deck, a very sort of I'm not like that. It's just such pity for it. So you're giving...

...it. Well, but don't listen to this and think, Oh, you know, JW hates Malamar like it's the worst deck ever. No, I think it's a solid tear. What is the worst? I can the format. I think like Nag quag. It's probably the worst. I can all right, carry only it's your three deck. But yeah, I mean Malamars are very solid tear to deck, but just like maybe a step below ATP, I would say, in the in the strength of the tier two decks, doesn't have what it takes to submit take it all the way. Yeah, I mean, I do feel kind of similar, but I do want to point out some merits to the deck as well. I mean, custom catcher is kind of phased out, which means that it's hard to get around spelled tags and it means that your Mala Mars are safer on the bench. It also Malalana decks, namely ATP, are kind of getting lower and I don't feel like people are prepared for a high damage attacker. BE IT Olson ACROSSMA or Slokalia Lan Alla, both able to do incredible output. So I don't know, I don't think. I don't think it's the worst choice in the world, but I just think eventually the deck will catch up to you, not so much the fact that's like a bad choice or as bad matchups, but like something about Malamar has like this looming cloud over it and eventually you'll just get you'll just get pooped on and like top for top eight and you'll stop drawing alamars and it's just feels really bad and the deck then you think of the decks terrible, or you'll tie in like a best of three or something. All sorts of weird stuff can happen with Alamar, feels like, but after but I also want to point out, like a lot of the decks that we've been talking about and hyped up a lot. I think baby bombs is a great example of this. Is a deck that we have heavily, heavily hyped. It takes a herd outtimelor, I mean really, right, right, I mean you can win, but I mean it really shouldn't. Like, yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's very difficult. I totally understand what you mean and I think there is like there is a world where Malamar hits, you know, nine baby blounds and they one and cruises in the day too. I don't know if that's the Daytona world. Yeah, I mean I don't know if that's the planet earth. That's planet Garlacton relact, the planet where every regional is one by Malamar. The KTRON is just getting messages beam down to him from collector exactly. He knows and he knows he knows something, he knows something we don't and he's he's hearing things from beyond our dimension. I just I do think they're actually legit merits to Malamar going to this tournament where it's like a lot of tournaments, would say there's literally no reason to play Malamar, like don't do it. Yeah, yeah, you know, so absolutely. I just I worry about like I worry about it's me too, match up, although it does, you know, get serviceable if you include the mimic you. I will grant it that against that card. But then you worry about abilities ared, like if they're just gusting up every single time your Malamars, like how do you beat that, ever, if they can knock out your you know, Geraci turn one with Etran and then every turn thereafter they're gusting up your Malamars, it just seems abysmal for you. I mean that's how the match was gone pretty much every time I played it, except for the League challenge that I just went to, where I got bodied because I didn't draw welder. But every other time that's how the magic you're saying there's a chance play, and there's absolutely a chance, but I guess they for change with everything right broken. So...

I'm Almar also, though, has ways to finesse a lot of these stall decks as well. Something worth keeping in mind. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Again, I'm not saying Malamar is like the worst deck. I think if you have a lot of practice with it, you're very confident in it and you choose the right text, I think can go very far. As a Malamar player, however, it is not my choice, because it has never been my choice. It has never done well. You know, relatively, like if we if we compare the stats of Malamar and the stats of Mewtwo, like there is no comparison. Yeah, I mean you can include Almar for the past couple of years and it wouldn't match you too. That's what I'm saying right, it would you. Yeah, you can from the last what three months, and Alamar the entirety of its existence and ND. So I don't think it gets that much better. And you know, I think you're just really taken a big risk by playing it. Yeah, for sure, man. I mean on the whole I agree with you. I just think there's an above average malim arm meadow shaving up right now, at least from our vision of it. Sure, so you talked about so I think that's a lot of like the surprise deck rather that I think we might see heading into this tournament. Jolly fine. Man Asked about blounds Gx. We so we hit on baby blows, we didn't hit on Papa blown. Do you think there's merit to playing Papa blown and this tournament, or do you think baby lownd is the Ultravi Steck of choice? I think probably baby blond is. I think big blonds is okay, but this loses a little bit too much too, I would say, things like stall, although you could play again, if you play the the Stinger and the baby bullths Cephalon, you have a pretty good shot against, you know, things like doll stall. But I think it's okay. Again, a tear two deck that I don't think can hold its own against things like mew two and abilities are. Yeah, I mean big Bloud does have an insane stall matchup, though, if you do play that Stinger and the the baby boss Cephalon, because, I mean it destroys pitchy and doll stall both, which is pretty awesome to card package, to be honest. Do you think? Do you think there's merit to that and that alone? I mean we also hyped up stall as a as a viable archetype. I mean again, maybe I just I don't know that, like I don't know that it can be mean too consistently. I don't know that it can. It just kind of loses steam. All The Times that I played Ballis Cephalon, it's just kind of not been it. Like I always miss that one energy. I always missed that curtial, you know, be string or I always miss that one Nagana Delle or whatever it is, and always just seems like I'm one card short and where I want to be at at that point of the game. So I can't really articulate why it's bad necessarily or why it's maybe so not bad. I don't want to say that, maybe why it's so optimal. I can't quite articulate that, but it just hasn't performed that well for me. Yeah, I mean to be honest. I'm a will cephalon hater for sure. Okay, I'm a huge hater. So I always have been. On the PODCAST, passed on metaphorcast that I've been on, I'm always the one to be like, don't play blonds, I hate that deck. It's car so I'm probably not the best stories for Blounds Info as far as blonds g x, but I just like the deck. I think the only real merit to the deck is the fact that has just destroys these stall decks with the baby bloond package. Sure that's any INS right, and it gives itself a fighting chance against the the Mu Two's and the and the abilities are right. So I mean it has a it has a decent matchup against tag teams. If it stays up and running the whole game. I mean it can get run off the board so easily, though, and I mean really, if you look at the top four match from La, I see that kind of...

...feels like every game I ever play with blown where you just kind of draw awkward and lose in like four turns. Exactly. I would stay. I would shy away from the deck personally, but I would never I love Avivon that. that. That's awesome. Yeah, Garacks, we stand, baby, we definitely stand. We still have baby lots hard in this podcast, to be honest. But yeah, I mean it's interesting right, because I think I think there is just generally speaking, like to the metagame as a whole. Like if ATP is nobody is, if nobody's respecting ATPGI flyman says, you know, will it's will it rise again? I think, speaking to that, I think it has a very, not a bad match are necessarily against mew two, but met being able to do three hundred on turn too is very, very strong. So it's like probably a forty for I guess, the worst matchup against firebox. Yeah, and then it's also like pretty bad into firebox exactly. So like I think ATP if you're taking bad loss to those two decks, even if, like the rest of the field doesn't respect it, I still think it's probably not the correct play. Yeah, for sure. So, I mean we could go out forever about rogue decks in this format and possible options. I mean, I do think this format has quite a few options to be able to I think we've had a lot of the big ones. So another question that I have for you, though, it calls back to something that you ask her. You talked about rather earlier about you want to tech for the good players going into a tournament, and in this particular field they'll be an above average representation of good players, relatively speaking, like pie chart. Wise, they'll be a bigger slice of big players or good players either. What do you think the tech or the deck to beat going to the tournament is from that perspective, what do you think that the good players will be considering and playing? I mean they play, a lot of people play Nag Lord at the last tournament. I don't think that's what I don't really think that's coming back for a second run. Not there. I mean I would say stall. I would say stall would be the the choice of the top players. I could be completely wrong with that, but I mean I suspect that, as you see players like Jimmy and a Zul, you know, playing these decks like abilities are, you kind of wonder, you know, whether they're actually testing that or whether they are, you know, kind of trying to, you know, get more players to play those types of decks. You know, I'm not saying that there's any manipulation going on or they can just play whatever deck out a challenger cover, or they could pull over deck like hey, it's the sleeve up right exactly. I do feel like. I do feel like a stall deck is going to be the deck of choice by the top players. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, I I think it's hard to say. I think it's hard to say. At install look strong, but I think there's so much that can go wrong, like if a lot of people play Mallie and blown Gax, you have to be prepared for those matchups, for sure, absolutely. Or ATPE can like build it to to beatstall more reliably. Yeah, that's good point. That's good point. So there are and then I can and then just loose that around, like ATP becomes the Jack of choice again. And like all right, it's like we're and then you gus Nag wins the tournament. You get too hard in circles, right because you say, oh well, this beats this and then this. Well, then this beats this and then you know, we're back to square one. An ATP is the most REPRESENTA. Yeah, I mean I know I'm super guilty, like the night before a tournament, of falling into that circle like well, if I I you know what, if this happens and this happens while then I should play this, but then if I play that and this happens and I should play this instead. Yeah, well, I think we're going to see, as a lot of copy pasta abilities are, I feel like that will be one of the most represented just because it's it's a good deck,...

...very strong, very explosive, very high role. I think a lot of people tend to gravitate towards that. It's something that a lot of players have played for a long time. You know, since world's results came out, abilities are hast been good. So I think a lot of people will just generally gravitate towards that. They're going to be gone for Thanksgiving. They're not going to have that much time to test, like you know, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. So I think they're going to be fault on. Abilities are I do feel like that will be the most played. I think mew two will have a very strong showing again, very good deck. Would not be surprised to see that. When again, just strong deck against a lot of things. And then, you know, I just feel like stall is up there among some of the best archetypes right now. Yeah, for sure. Well, I think that's a I would agree with most of that and I think that's a pretty good perspective into the Meta. I think I think you pretty much had the nail on the head, especially with the fact that a lot of people just play a copy pots to fire lists because that's what they're used to, that's what they like, and it's a strong deck, so it kind of lends itself to to being the popular deck as well. Sure. So, shifting away from Daytona just for a second here, it is the week of Thanksgiving, so I thought it would be fun if we each shared something that we were thankful for in the Pokemon community, be a story or a Pokemon or a game or just an experience that you had. What is something that you are thankful for and let's let's limit it to the past year of Pokemon. Well, I'm thankful for this podcast. I'm thankful for all the listeners and everyone here in the chat right now with us. That's cheap, that's cheating, man, that's you. Well, I know, but I think we had right. I mean, you don't say you don't say, Oh, it's cheating to call out your family when you say things that you're thankful for. It's true. That's true your family. But no, I am thankful for, you know, the Times that we've shared on this podcast, Riley, and thank you again to all the listeners who you know, hypis up, who share our products and who download and listen to us every single week. So you guys all rock and love you guys. So thankful for every one of you in the chat and everyone of you listening on Itunes, spotify, stitcher, etc. I would say, what else am I thankful for? I'm thankful for WHO. I'm thankful for Pokemon organized play, for giving cash rewards to regionals. Is there a reason why? No, but I'm thankful it's going further. I'm thankful for a pokemon making some very significant changes in the last year to the POKEMON organized play. One thing I can think of is like the more immediate payouts. I think I we got, you know, we've been getting better payouts like within two weeks of the event. That it's a bit crazy fast and very good to see. That's a very sent something I'm very thankful for and very thankful for just the general changes to the structure. There is a little bit of, I don't know, controversy, I guess, to the play Pokemon structure, but I think they are moving in a good direction and I think they are at TPCI listening to players generally and trying to some changes. So I'm thankful for that. Yeah, yeah, I think really they've done a really good job. Or the past couple of years. I think the top eight stipend or the eight best finished events type in thing was a little odd, but I think that'll probably go away after the next year. Yeah, I think they're I think they're listening, if even if it's only partially. Well, it's like, I mean the pendulum seems to be swinging. Yeah, but as with pendulums, it seems to be coming closer and closer to the middle. You know, so you may get it wrong, but it's like closer than what it's been in the past exactly. So I do I mean for sure? Yeah, I feel like they'll. I feel like they'll hit a sweet spot sooner or later, and it just seems to be the gap seems to be closing between, you know, like where everybody wants it and...

...where it is. Yeah, that's definitely true. I would say personally, I as well as I'm thankful for all of the listeners and viewers of the podcast. I got to say one thing that I've really, really love is every time I go to an event I am overwhelmed by the support from people who, even it was just a single person an event who comes up and says hey, I listen to your stuff. I really enjoy that. That has been really fulfilling to me and I'm glad that we've been able to have positive impact on at least a cross section of the community. So thank you all who are listening. You are awesome. I got to say as an experience in the past year, I'm thankful for Snam, the Pokemon from from sword and shield, but also I think pokemon is has been a really big blessing for me. I did move to Madison this year from Columbus and that was really difficult for me, being into a new area, not having a lot of friends or really a base to to work around, and Pokemon allowed me to have that common ground to meet all sorts of new people and feel more comfortable in my new home. So I mean that was a really huge asset to me. I'd probably be lonely in miserable if it wasn't for POKEMON. So you know, just as a whole, I really appreciate the community and what play Pokemon is a whole represents and offers to us as members of it. So absolute little Saffy, but but I quite love this series and what it brings. Roops cheating, really, that's that was not cheating. That was it. That was an experience that I shared with everybody cheering, writ B B B. Thank you, gippy, you and me, big baby. Anyway, we will probably be coming closer to the end here, so we will open up the floor now two questions and we will answer a couple of those. There won't be a Pokemon after dark today because awe needs to catch some disease, and so ask away, chat and we will. We will hit on that, John So nic you'll Nikiel quite has a question about bird flu. Riley, what are your opinions on Piggioto stall and where do you think it'll, you know, rank this weekend and Daytona? Yeah, I think stall decks always stalled decks benefit from not being a huge I guess they benefit from being the wild card in the meadow right and I think it was really expected in l see to play birds and dolls and stuff like that, and so it didn't perform expectations. But I think now people are a little less concerned about it. I will be surprised if a lot of people takee Robin's list and just cut the zebra and stuff like that. So I personally think it's on the up as opposed to la I see. I don't know if it's the best deck for these tournaments because I think a lot of people will still be prepared, but I think it's definitely a superior deck than it was a couple weeks ago. Sure, absolutely, jolly fly man ass should baby blounds run nine tails for the doll stall matchup. So perhaps a one, one ditto nine tails line could be fine. Yeah, I mean that's one way that you can deal with it. I think maybe probably the best way that you can deal with it. So if you're really considering playing baby blonds, yeah, I mean definitely have the stall matchup in mind. I mean we've been saying we think stall is very good. Again, it's another deck. Like if people don't respect stall, then it kind of, you know, run rampant. I think the deck that most respected stall was ATP right with their inclusion of one, or sometimes even two criagonal. That was the deck that just wanted to beat stall for whatever reason. I don't know how how everyone who seemed to play ATP came up with that idea. I was very surprised that every ATP played criagonal. Yeah, so definitely,...

...definitely. If you're considering baby blounds, you know, and you think that doll stall or just general stall will be big, consider a nine tails. I don't think the nine tails will help against alls. They're playing the hoods. That's a good point. I think getting good. I think it could help against piggy though. Sure, sure, I was going to say that it depends on kind of their list and maybe not against all stall, but maybe against Picchioto, just depending on what they're playing right. Yeah, you'd probably need to research stamp as well, but yeah, definitely an option. Sure. So, Justin Kamasar asked why is ATP so bad? Well, I think the biggest I'll say first and then Riley, you can, you can say some sentiments. I think the biggest reason is mew two. I think that turned like so the clock. If you go second with ATP against me too, just sign the slip like you're done. You're not slip the whole match. Yeah, the whole match is over. But like, but for real, like they can do three hundred faster than you can accelerate. So so, if they can do three hundred before you can accelerate, then the game is over. So I think mew two is a real gate keeper to ATP. Yeah, same thing with the firebox. Yeah, and just are leaving a tag team in the active on purpose. So it just seem seems so bad, right, you're leaving a tag team and basically passing on purpose. It's true. I know, I know, I just thought you said it is just so like, like so abrupt in like, man, you're so stupid. I mean it's some matchups, the time that you're taking to get to the the GX and then Gxing is even worth the extra prize, because you could have just taken those fries extra prize in that time. I mean, you know what, some people prefer to do it the long way. You know, some people prefer to to shot with a keldogx. So Hey, I mean it's better than three shotting with the Keldkime. That's true. That's true. So that's AUTOHASS. Which one of you will win a regional first? It is definitely going to be me, because I'm going to put way more time into expanded which nobody puts enough effort into. Nobody puts enough effort in a expanded literally, a Dallas is the same reason I'm going to see a man. So well, then I will see you in the fire. That would be a pretty epic of H Yeah, that would be insane. I've always had the dream of like finding a friend in the finals of a matchup and we like, you know, just like play or silly, like we just like shuffle our cards without sleeves and look, you know, you like shuffle them on the table. You know, like you you fan them out like you would when you're playing poker or something. Yeah, I just always have had that dream. That would be pretty crazy. I just do other weird things or like try to lose or something. I don't know. Try to see you can deck out first. Yeah, yeah, try to win by alternate mission like that. That's pretty funny. I think personally it'll be me because we're taking turns. So Hmm, but I think it'll be me because I am a fiercer competitor. Yeah, every tournament that we both have been out simultaneously, I've done better. I mean, I guess that isn't that is objectively true. Is that true? Have we been to any lead cups? No, yeah, so you don't get to benefit off my lead cup. Oh, actually, we have. We've been to envos together and I did better. Fine, Gosh, you're right. All right, Dang, Dang, Dang. Okay, I guess that's true. I guess I guess you're my cryptonite. Yeah, I take your power JW. Where did you get that jacket? I got this jacket.

I got this jacket yesterday at a craigslist garage sale, of course, but Anna Republic, that's such a JW sentence. I got this. I got this sweater to both of these I got four five dollars and a pair of blue jeans and two shirts, all for twenty five bucks. I mean that's that's insane. Not gonna lie. This is such a nice coat. I love it. Yeah, I mean you look and you're looking really fresh today. Not gonna lie for four people on on the F podcast, appjw is looking really, really fly today for sure. But yeah, I'm good. Dollar Jacket, you haven't even seen at all yet. I think. With that will probably be drawing it to a close. Thank you all so much for listening today. I hope everyone has an awesome Thanksgiving holiday and we will talk to you all next week with some updates from Daytona and how that went, JW. Any last re marks. I hope you guys have a great thanksgiving. Thanks again for listening and we will catch you in a week. And for you guys. Thank you, guys all so much for sporting us again. We're very thankful for you, guys and can't wait for another week. Piece out everyone.

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