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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 9 · 1 year ago

8. Sandy Eggo

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

All right, what is up everybody welcomeback to tag team. I am rightly Holbertun by my good friend, JWCreewall, who is rocking out on his camera. If you're watching the video dw,how you doing this week, I'm doing good Riley. How are you I'm doing prettywell so for the audio listeners JW is wearing what appears to be a whole suit.Dw. What's the occasion I was playing a show tonight I had a Gig in downtownColumbus, where we were like it was cool is probably the weirdest show.I've ever played were background musician to these acrobatic people. I on t okaykind, a CIR, dlay kind of thing. It was basicall like Cirtusala, but I think,based in Canada, but anyway, they're doing this huge tour around the UnitedStates, they've been in Washington and Idaho, and now they're. You KnowChicago yesterday and they've been just ma slowly, making their way down to theMidwest and they're going to do all through Texas and things like that inthe next couple weeks. So it was pretty cool. There was like the ring peoplethat you know got on a ring that came down and like Sol the ringwaful. Yes,thethere were people that you know just just were doing like big jumps and thenthey had like a seasaw. Then you know flip people in the air they had thisone dude. I just didn't understand what was happening at first, but he wasbeing suspended by his hair. That sounds painful. I don't know how itworks, but I think it's probably some like weird. You know cultural thingfrom not America, where you suspend yourself by your hair yeah. I don'tknow, I don't know if somebody could look that up an you're saying that'slike a day to day thing outside of America or just like an art, upreporming arts,type thing: okay, okay, yeah, but and then just some other suit like jumping andstuff there was a bidget. I don't think you can say that pretty sure you sa a little person. Ohokay, there was a little person. My bad I did't mean. Is that really nota term anymore? I thought it was still a time. I don't know. I'm pretty sureit's not Mak, I would agree with you. It may have been outlawed, but okay, a little person yeah there's alittle pro. There was a man on the jumpi shoes he had jumping ches on. Itwas very fair, it's very cool and that all sides the best part about it. Wewere just playing Chriswith songs and it was pretty easy. So I got like youknow it's Qorterbucks for just being there for existing. So it's cool, yeah Andrew came in with this Rad on twitchright is your saying sa t ar stuff so well, we'll move pastthat I'm sorry, I'm sorry I didn't realize.Must it's a sign of the Times you guys, I'm just too old. Tw is a massivemassive doomer. He doesn't know anything well anyway. There was a pokemontournament Tis weekend that neither of US ware at, but we did have some insight going intoit. Yeah that would be the Daytona Beach Regional Championship. SoStandard Event Down in Florida got to experience the beach, the Sun. If youwere there, so that's pretty cool and kind of jealous, because it's beenmiserable up here in Wisconsin and it was taken home by guard of ourSylvia on the deck that we didn't really talk about much at all. For thepast couple weeks, Noso we'll touch on that on second place, ADP, a deck thatwe really ragged on a lot. There was a new innovative, build that desander prokind of led the charge on alongside some of hisfriends like will Jenkins and Wehol ready and that's all ot of success, andthen a lot of stuff that we did expect like Muto and Malamar, and dolls saw a lot of success as well. SoI think we just got to start right from the top man guard of our Sylvia on howdid that escape our our radar? It wasn't really a deck whe you'rethinking about yeah. It really wasn't. I mean I think you look at it and yousay: okay, it probably doesn't be like Pigioto. It's probably really toughmatchop things like baby blownds, really tough, matchup and even likemaybe abilities, are t, although you do have like the stamp plant Combo whichcan slow it down, but I'm thinking more like baby blonds was going to be reallytough for it to beat and with so much representation of baby blons in you know in in that tournament, I'msurprised that it didn't get thwarted in its efforts. I'm surprised I made itout of kind of that. Se of favorable matchup, but doubt I mean baby blonds was thesecond most popular deck. I believe with around eighty people playing it orsomething like that, or maybe it was less than that sure, but either way itwas the second most popular deck tons of representation. That's just a reallyreally bad matchup forgard of our.

So what do you think ended up makingGuardofour the deck of choice for this tournament? What was the either theinnovation that brought it to success? Or was it just sort of a matchup thinghere? It hit the right people at the right time. What do you think went intothat victory? Yeah Yeah, I think you look at you know on the flip side ofthat coin, where we say: okay, baby blonds is really big. How di Ti make itthrough that? You also look at how big Mutu was, as I believe, the most playeddeck ITN and it just really just stops. It takes it to town. None of them. Youdo. I I can imagine, were playing anything like blysander labs, so therewere someless playing, turtanaters and stuff sure tornator, but even then it'slike only one and I do feel like you know you need to use all yourresources perfectly to be Gardov or right. So you need to get that sixenergy rexhizard gx attack off, and then you need to not lose that attacker.While you can build up with your last three energy presuming, you play nineusing your last three energy to power, UF a ternator to try to get a knockouton the other guard of, or so that that's really tough to play thatmatchup. If you only play, you know nine energy, and so you can definitely win. No doubt,however, makes it very difficult, especially when they have you know thefairy charm owthe, FYCKI atch, pretty good guard yeah, and then I think theother thing too is obviously we saw a lot of success with ATP. A lot ofpeople saw success with ADP, so that's another pretty good match up, I wouldsay, and if you're going to hit, you know some of the most popular deckslike me to and egtyp those are some of the most played. So you, you candefinitely see how the Gard of war player went through a tournament withgreat success. Yeah. I actually kind of want to expandon that thought. Something that we said over and over on. The CAST is how youwant to be teching for the top tables and not the not the middle to bottomtables. So if you can make it out around three and get through a see ofbad matchup, sentypically Youll, if you can hit good matchups from there onit's, probably the right deck for the tournament, and I think the two DEX. Iprobably emplised like exemplify that the most wore guard of ran ADP actuallythis tournament, whereas the guard of our now with theAmistar to deal with the dolls a little bit better really actually is adifficult thing for the current ineration of these dolls list to dealwith and there's there's stuff that you can do to adjustto that which we canhit on later. But you have that for the dolls matchup,you do pretty well against ATP, which a lot of top players ended up playing ATPdo pretty well into Mutu, and so really there weren't a ton of top players thatwere playing baby blounds because of the fear that loomed overhead of thisdolstale matchup, which is unwinable for Mabe blancs and so realistically, actually Guardiend up being a really good choice. Once you got through those initial trials ofthe tournament, as we saw to make top EI- let's not forget dean, also madetop eight with Gardiwor yeah that that's really big. I presume that theydidn't work on list together. I don't know for sure, but that's just reallyinteresting to see. You know again like two different testing groups of do twodifferent people come to that same conclusion and find success yeah. But let's shift gears a little bit now.Partofar does have a okay match it versus ADP. I actuallythink the matchups a little bit tougher than it is portrayed sometimes, and I thinkthat was best exemplified and game to of the vinyls, where esander was ableto get off the resed stamps and stick some caldios and keep those chaoticswells going and really you only need the damage from the GX attack of ATP,so it moves a little bit faster than you might expect, especially with thewith the addition of that counter gain into the Adplis. I think is actuallyhuge because it lets you more proactively attached to Keldeo. You canjust spit one energy, gx DP and, in the meantime, you're just building up thatKelde o just swining for a hundred and forty and the guarder bars ir givingour three prizes anyway. So it doesn't really matter that you'R don't have eextra prize bonus because actually wain be better. I was going to say theprizing like giving up an ATP early, almost feels kind of to your advantage.If you're the, if you're the Ay player, because then you just get the harsherreset stamp and it's like, if you can get that Gx atack off and they knockyou out like then without really sinning their deck, then you'represuming like the way you win. The matchup is like th t you hope theydon't draw into what they need. You know, presumably, that the Faba right,which we did see, drew rip off of that poke year to win the last game, but yeah the reset stamps can be prettyharsh, especially early game, because you're looking at a deck like Gardi war,that wants to take its time. That usually has the benefit of time to kindof set up. The energy get a lot of you know thin their deck that way by justdrawing a bunch of energy out. But then, when you played against ADP, I mean youdefinitely don't want to give them too much time, either right and so you're,both kind of slower building up igame...

...state kind of back right exactly andlike if you're a guard, Ofer player like, of course you take the knockout.You know, of course you would on an ATP that is just gx, but then that leavsyou susceptible to the recent stam so yeah. So I think I mean Zander playedthat really intelligently, and I think he really did everything that he couldI'm well. To be honest, he probably like he probably should have won thatthird game right, like F. If dre doesn't pull theFABA off of the Pokin year, then what does he do? Right? Yeah I drew was on a very shortclock to find the things that he needed yea. So I mean I think, Xander had arecet stamp that he tried to hold for a turn. If I'm remembering correctly itsomeone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think his intention was that that true had just Cinthia, Calanfrough a Greens and he would have the Greens for the Faba Plant Cambo andthen he could stap that away and set him back to turns effectively. I thinkthat was the idea, but then drew was able to get the poke gear intothe Faba as opposed to having to use the Greens to draw into it so illter alittle bit unfortunate. You could Di if, if ander did in fact have that recesStandwich, I believe he did. You could debate whether or not heshould have played it because now deas drown a bunch of cards, but I think itdepends in your school of thought there. I don't think it was objectively wrong.The way it was really sure either way, though ATP definitely was a hugecontender in this format, and I think the real big game changer there was thethe Rosa engine was really really smart. We talked so much about ATP, just H,throwing up at three fries and be like yeah Wow AD. Don't don't kill this and what better way to to deal with itpotentially being knocked out than having a rose already? You know it's really clever. I like it a lotyeah, it's cool, especially when you're playing cards like custom catchers thatare more Combo based cards like counter game which are supposed to be retrievedat certain instances in the game. You know, there's all these things now thatmake the Rosa makes sense in the day so sure it was. It was just really cool.It was really smart innovation and, of course he the way that SandarBuilthis deck was heavily heavily geared towards beating stuff likedolldeck, for example, with the edition of the Gerafphareig and the customcatchers cam between Crag anol custom, cetchersdraffrate, like dolls, is going to have a really unfortunate time. Yeah we'rereally hard to deal with for sure for so tit's, not good yeah. It's been goodto see the custom cutchers come back to ATP. I think that was change thatpeople had been going towards. I know a lot of people had been cutting them infavor of just playing the Grad Catcher, but now I do feel like you absolutelyshould play the custom catchers because you do want to chase down some of thosenongxes. I think particularly of you know the the dollstyle matchup, whereyou want to knock out floorges or you know their Munchlax or yea Y- want workout like a Pigioto or you want to knock out a victini or something like that. I do agree with with the way that thedeck was built. I love the Rosa. I love the custom catchers just really strongfoundation for that build and I think that'll be the primary way to buildATPP, O yeah forward, definitely and I'me. Actually, I've greatly shipteedmy opinion of ATP. After seeing an action. I actually think you know weragged on at a bunch, for you know two or three weeks now and I actually thinkit's it's like a decent deck, it's one. I would consider playing now that I'veseen an action with this kind of Bild yeah for sure. For sure I mean,sometimes it just takes that one card to kind of unlocked unlock thepossibilities of a deck totally, and so we definitely saw that with with theRosa Yeah for sure for sure. So I also do want to touch on those customcatchers and why I think ATP is an aspecially good user of them because ofthat gx attack right, like there's actual notable benefit to pulling up anongx. Besides, just like knocking out a pokemon like you take that extraprize, which kind of offsets the deck space that goes into, I plus ATP, issuch a simple deck that you don't kneel a lot in it which k gives affords youthat space to fit in for Costom Gatces, where stuff like me, Tu now has such anabsurd amount of stuff going on. That is actually really difficult to fit foradditional cards right now, even that one extra thought, if you play threegreat catchers, that one extra slawt is still incredibly relevant. Absolutelyyou know, whereas you know with ATP, it's like you, Hav Xanders list now,which is pretty tight and like well made. But, like you know, there's a lotof things that went into it. You know the israphricg there's four customcatchers like that alone is a lot going on that only ATP can really afford thatdecx space. It rises me a lot of...

...pekarom yeah it. It's super interestingright because you only have two of the the main attacker in ADP. I have twothe Keldio and then pretty much the rest of that the pokmon line, thetrainers, energy. Whatever that's like free game, you can really just kind ofbuild. I A lot of different ways. Do a lot of different things: Yeah lotofspace x, ATP really is just peels to me. Like a new age PKAROM. It has a lot ofsimilarities in t e, the tempo of the deck. It has a lot of similarities inthe like acceleration aspect of it and affordability of text. So I granted, I wasn't a pick. People Ae,Oun famimy, either so y, AH, I'm sure the BI still untilforfrails. I think I think my my view of ATP is hired now after seeing itsuccess. I mean it now very good ito players, but I still don't think it wasbe something that I would personally play at an event. I think it's a fine deck. I think. Ifsomebody came to me- and I was like Hey, I'm thinking about playing ADPI wouldsay yeah, you know, do it like if you're comfortable with the deck like,definitely do it and if your Meta game shapes up correctly for ADP, thendefinitely do it. I just don't know that it's it's a deck that Iwould play yeah. I think that's totally fair. To I mean this bet has so many options tolike you shouldn't have to restrict yourself to to playing certainarchetyipes or dacks so ATP and Gardifar. I really think theyexemplified what we've hit on so many times in this podcast bout teching forthe top tables. Both talk about what those top tables were. Looking likesure, Daytona, I we we saw a lot of Malamar. I think Melimar was one of themost played, maybe the most represented decks in day to, and that was a bit ofa shocker for me yeah. I think, in my perspective, I wasn'tthat surprised that it saw representation. It kind of panned outlike we thought it would like. There was a decent amount of people playingMamar. A lot of them saw middling success and then one person made it tolike top four and Tand lost, which is like that's just that's soquit essential mallor. Isn't it like a bunch of Makeday to it? Was it wasn'teven like that? I want to say to is that Malamar had no shot at beating ADPor Gardy like it just had no chance think had a better chance of beatingthe ATP than it did at beating the guardy hur sure, and you could youcould debate. You know matchof percentages, but like it hadunfavorable matchups, almost across the board in top eight yeah, so you know ityeah exactly we were. We were almost spot on with that prediction of Maloarbeing like that that comfort Picg, that kind of that safe choice that you mayhave gotten day to with it, but you definitely weren't winning thetournament with it. You know it. Definitely it definitelypanned out, and I think I think we could go to say like you know it wasn'teven a bad break, that it didn't make the finals or win the event it justwasn't ever going to win with that afer red, it's like you're right, but it hurts tohear to Sur. So there was a couple different ways that we saw. MalimarPlaye, though, which again that's very quintnessential. Malamar us, like abunch of people, played a million different ways and no body agrees on it. Yeah a couple of those ways with themost success was kind of in just a very traditional sychic bill. MichaelKaytron, with you know just laudios. To get that clear vision off you have your Tina.Just petually swing spell tags deliciousness that obviously sucksuccess. I don't even think we really need to talk about that becauseeverybody knows about like Melmarat. This point yeah some of the moreinteresting variancs, not to say that it wasn't interesting that Ca Tryin toevolve a psykhic, but some of the other sorry kitrandidn't play audios, but youget the idea like second Malmar, some o the other parents we saw wasultrana. CROSMA was a pretty popular variant yeah and it kind of followssuit, with things that we seen in this format, with like needing the abilityto deal with large threats on the board, not a huge fan of ultion across me, YuMyself. I know that you've seen in at least a couple times on the latter ofthe past Cole Days. I don't know if you experimented it with it yourself. Whatare your thoughts on the Otena crisma Arian of Melmar, I mean seems good. Iwas Seeng mostly from the tournament and just things on the ladter thatpeople were playing kind of a thin line, maybe one alternane ACROSMA and one youknow: beest energy and a metal. You know just a very kind of splashed innot neceessarily an afterthought, but certainly not the main focus of thedeck, and I do feel like that's probably the way to play in justbecause I don't know that Malamar or that I'll turn across my has that manystrengths other than you know just taking down things like garde, vor andATP...

...yeah, I mean more or less, I agree moreor less. I agree on that. One. Another kind of variant that we saw Mike Morton played a ton of differentture, almost random feeling text, but they obviously had all their own usecases, but it was just such an interesting combination of cards to seeon a board. The one I thought was the most crazywas the snivy Venus sore and when I saw a chat-and here in the commentary was talking about it, I wasn't really payingattention to what was going on. I'm like what Yeaha granted, I didn't know what thejxtack even did when this was happenind. Somet, like I, like the I actually likemenisor inexpanded, yeah, ver thes, with mean to and Hea just you know, dofifty for one but yeah. Definitely a cool tech, I mean I'm not sure. Did heuse it, I mean he can't. I don't know the other attack. I just know the gxattack. The first attack, I believe, involves a grass energy, which Icartisy confusion and the ability also involves grass energy. So my when I washearing this on the on the Stream, I'm like the Secret Feridian for a grass andattach it to like get the guss effect because that's kind of cool, I guess. But alas, that was not the case. Unfortunately, so that would have beenkind of cool, but but it was more about using that jexsattack to spread against the doll thats Ti, which I don't think we got to seethat successfully happen on stream. Unfortunately, but the threat of it wasalways there. He also played the fairy Mimicu withcopycat, as opposed to the ever prevalent psychic one. Obviously, the purpose of that was tohit into RSSTAGAPAKIA for one far an a psychic yep seems reasonable enough. Idon't know if it actually is a huge matchup swing or not have have you putany thought into Feiry Memqu at all. It's not really. I mean I mean it seems like the best like needyour play. If you think ATP is going to be big, I don't really see that there'sany there's, certainly not a nongx that I can think of off the top of my head.That can be as SPLASHBLE AS MIMIC COU to deal with an ATP so yeah I mean it.Certainly it's easy to get the attack off. We have just afrnt Ridian and malmar so I don't. I don't see any problems with it and I think likemortanhas a lot of interesting ideas that you can continue to build off of in thefuture. I know some of our friends, particularly at Li Pierce, was veryinto Naganadel in in Malamar, is ha way to deal withStaldex to activate yeurbal sephylon yeah. That's certainly an option ifyou're able to get that off before the Staliks o get off their clear vision. Yeah, because that seems like it just seemslike that's something. That's going on a lot lately. Is that clear vision,yeah it it's all asked yeah, so Malimar Thouh I mean I was. I wasimpressed by both it showing and and its finished in the end. I think you know. Obviously I didn't reallyexpect it to win the whole tournament, but seeing it make it all the way tothe top for was was pretty nice and seeing that a lot of top playersactually did consider, it was was kind of cool yeah as a deck that gets a lotof flak every every turn. It was kind of Nice to see it get some logo wel Imean there is like that. Little phrase like Malmar did Malamar things you nowI see that lo MOU ma hands, Meli our hands, you know and the the Lingo for when you get a badhand, but yeah. It was really refreshing to see it so well, planed and so well, highlyregarded by top players that was very interesting to see. Were there anyother surprise decks or anything else you want to touch on about like the dayto Metagane that you saw tei mean, I think, the the mostinteresting deck that we haven't talked about. Yet it's got to be the dollsaldeck right, I'm sure, pilded by a ton of players. All of them saw adecent amount of success both in day one Andin Day to we saw a couple different variants. Ithink the Premier One nhough was that Jimy Penn Darvis grant manly list thatmade a bunch of top finishes. So, let's just talk about dolls. I think you'vebeen here. You've been big on dolls tw, that's your preferred stalldeck! If I'mremembering correctly from our conversations, yep so I'll hand it overto you. What do you think of the doll stecks that came out of this tournament?We saw a couple different cool ideas in the do you think those will continue tobe the play. Do you think thereis a way you can shake it up to continue to dealwith the decks that did well at Daytona? Alrdeady? Think dolls is kind of Denethe water. After all, these crazy texts- HAV come out of them well, which Ouwopecifically, which specifically, which specific text are you referring to somost, notably I'm thinking of stuff like custom, catcher giraffe in ATP,and I'm thinking of Amastar, an...

Gardivor, yeah sure right. So dolls was, I think, of great choicelike for the event I mean we saw a lot of the top players choosing dolls and,like you said it is my preferred staldeck. I think it just gets. ThoLock much quicker and much easier than like Pigioto, but does absolutely haveits flaws, namely Garda war is a tough matchup tat. They include theAlmastarand, so you look at dolls and you say wow. This you know is such agreat stalldeck such great matchups generally speaking, but we look at kindof what define the tournament, the dex that made the finals an ADP and GuardofMorn. They both had really really solid answers to dolls in Krag, anal andGiraffe, and you know crustom, cutchers and ATP, and the Almos Star Line in the guardaboarddeck. So you look at it going forward. I don't know if it's going to be thatwell played. I don't know that, there's anything that you can really do toavoid or prevent what's being thrown a it. I think it'sjust kind of that that deck, where you gate, to wait till the Medu pepack onitself, where it'll be good. If everybody plays, you know things likeyou to and abilities ARD, and I don't know Pekaron whatever it is. Whenpeople play decks that are not ATP and Guardvor, then maybe dolls have achance to to rise again yeah. I will admit. I think the ATP is pretty tough,but I did come across an interesting card. I think it was on verbank today thatmight help against Gart of our so listen to this there's a celebete inunified minds. Oh, does it Pickupo? It devolves one of your opponents of allfolkamon and shuffles the evolution into the deck yeah. So that could workright and they only play one rare candies s exactly. I guess Ta could doit. You know. Do you think that might be worth including I mean it's one.Energy Onder treat it's second attack confuses which actually isn't terribleeither hat yeah. It doesn't seem so bad. Is that the is that a celebre star? No,it's a celliber, just a hollow rare from unified minds. Yeah I mean thatcould definitely be good. I haven't seen that card, but I coule it like. If,but again you know, Gardof war wasn't so heavily played that I would be maybeworried about that. In particular, I think I'd be more worried about ADP. Iwould definitely be more worried about ATP, I'm not sure what the answer toATP is. I will admit, I mean yeah. We were talking about this. The lastpodcast I think but saying oh well. Well, you play one CRAG and Awel I'mgoing to play two Spiri to and then Oh, you play tots Cryaganal, I'm going toplay three SPITINN. All F sudden here odeck starts to look like is ispirit.It is just fer to I: There was one player actually Nathan, brower finishedin the lower end ofday to he played two spiritum and two to Rainbow Energy andactually sat on his facebook post that he didn't think the second. The two twolines particularly useful, didn't really change anything in the end right.You have to imagine that that's true just yeah, because it's it's going tobe hard to get up. Take some extra turns to get it going. ATP can alwayscustom catcher it up and knock it out before you get the necessary amount ofdamage on your spirit, Tom, to one shot, a CRAG and also not O. think that thatyou know the tech is good in theory, but then maybe in practice doesn'tquite work. The way you want it to every time. Yep, it's kind of is kindof be like that yeah, I don't really yeah. I don'treally know exactly what the solution is. There I's just the cryaganallspretty tough to deal with you can play like channelers, but that doesn't it'sone turn, and so you o you know you can loso me in t everyother turn, but it's, I guess. If you like, get enough doll out on the turnsthat you channel Er, you can potentially love that. I suppose youwould need two dolls. Every time you channel her yeah exactly. I don't knowhow you pull that off. I guess you could stack one the turn prior and thenchanneler drawn to another AFTORACI, an bench to it's not impossible. Actually, I guessyeah, it's definitely not the worst idea, but then you have to like. I needto play Channelr in your deckhich yeah right and you have to play channel, feel like dolls. Has that, like maybethree to three to six cards that it can work with, though yeah, so for sureit's just an idea. I don't know I like Stalldeck, so yea putting the rain power. There isalways nice to me. U, but I think that's the last thing I really wantedto hit on him. We saw some spatterings of wisephlon GX. I still hate that Dec. I don't know if you have any fondness,toards etate of you not particularly I mean it, may take a decent o goodmatchup against Gardiwarif they're, not...

...playing the ultrabuse fairy charm, but you lose to ATP ID. Imagine just inthat they can wall with Keldio pretty effectively against you. So ' not toosure what you doin that matchup. Maybe it comes down to like a Stinger gx playand then you knock out their ATP and that's how you win, but even then Ijust feel like it's a lot set up and the deck already struggles a little bitwith consistency. Yeah, that's fair enough, so I think that'sit's more or less all the decks that we saw in day to of Daytona. There was youknow a couple random decks here and there, but most of them had one to twoplayers and typically didn't see that many high finishes at the end of the day. So,let's, let's shift our perspective to move forward thin a little bit turnthis weekend. We have another regional in Indiaca, California, that Ar is San Jose. I'm mixing up all the same NDIT's inSan Diego is is San Diego. This is toe. This is too much for my brother Yago, whatever this S, Ragionalin California,this weekend, I'm sorry to all the California, and so I immediatelyoffended by mixing up your cities and it's another standard one. So thisevent, no doubt how is going to have a huge influence into the Meta game,moving into California S W. What do you think is going to be your deck ofchoice going into California this weekend? If I had to play in San Diegotoday, I would choose Licario mal medal, a perfect cower neck for this one. Okay, it sounds so stupid. I maybebecause it hasn't seen play since Knoxville, but the Meta is perfectlyaligned for this deck to work. Now I think, heading into San, Diego you'llsee a lot of players upt to play the decks that did well and the next I didwell or ATP and Guardivor, maybe Mu to there. You can kind of lump that inthere as well. UHHUH Lucario MELMETAL has great matches because all of thosethings that it doesn't do that well against. Maybe Bu Sefalon, maybe Malamar with a thick ultermatecrosmaline, but I just the deck that if we look atthe metashare and what was played in in the last tournament looking forward,I think Lucario Mau Medel has the best mattr against the best exs. I'm notgonna live in. You got O Losi me here. So, like I see it, it's a guardy. Howdoes it have a good AP Manchip? Because they just don't do enough damage theylike threeshot, you and you can heal, but they can heel to yeah, but you just have more heel. I guess the great purtions and stuffyou're saying yeah. You have more well and then you have just you play likeyou could play. You have room to play more healing sure yeah. I just like you're talking the greedswelder, the CAROO metal, Yeah Ido' know I just talking. I mean, like I, see theDir, I see where you're going yeah, it's like okay, so it's basically likemetal, Gardi or yeah. I guess par of Ar has a goodmatchup. I mean, maybe primarily because of weakness, but at the eproblem is that Guardi can power like Fama plant and one shot at Keldio,whereas you need to get two different plants down and it the Keldio Assumerg they don't heal. All thedamage of in between it's fine is fine, but but they don't want shot. You it'scool and you have ANDEA HOOPA YOU HOOPA too, don't forget you theput us is likeone damage in dies. It's MIIT's like a weird Matchof, butyou I just. I feel like it's not a good match up man. You can stamp them, it'scool yeah! I mean you can stamp anything. I feel like it's, not a godvatcup. Youhave to get away too many plants down it. Thos Killes think I don't know isand whoever's been in my stream. The last few days can vouch for me. I thinkthe two times I think wee played it two times with our Lucaria Mamon. We wonboth. So I don't know what that says. I think it says more about the deck thanthe players on the ladder in this instance, but I just I feel like it's a good matchup.I feel like it's a good pliy yeah for sure vine him, you Idtyou, definitely didn'tconvince me. I dcee o IDC your logic process, though especially I mean, likeobviously, the Carmel thatwill really...

...give gard a for rough time. Yeah for sure I mean you know, and it'stough like like we're trying to talk these matchups, but it's like the onlytesting that I've done and I've done. I mean I've done a lot of testing sincelast week, but it's all been on the ladder so like I've not done any likespecific matchups, and especially when you're talking about a rogue deck,which I would say Lucario mail metal is like. I can't give you you know exactnumbers. You know what I'm saying. I feel like it's a good deck Y. U it'sa it's a heartdeck, here's what it used to do! Here's what it should do. Here'sthe you know pesure that I've had with it and what it's done so yeah I mean we can definitely liketheorem on this all night and come to completely different answers, but itseems like it should be. A good deck obviously beats handily the deck that just won, and so do you at least play theHomastar line. You could you could play the omistire line, but you're not convinced it? Well, Idon't know what to cut the decks already so perfect it Ar Oiknowar your list. If you want the perfect list just go to my twitter, I mean. Maybe we should contril consultJonastout because he's in he's in that group chat with us. That's true, that'strue. He SRO. He probably ask some ideas, vetlecarama metal, I mean. Ifther, I don't think, there's been a better time. I will say that yeah I mean John Did bubble out of topa a noxill, so that was a pretty good time, yeah yeah exactly and then, ifyou think that noutwo will stay as strong as it as it was just people likeme to and it's a generally like solid deck like it's a very, very good deck. I think it does have just a number ofvery solid even to favorable matchups yeah yeah. I think a lot of thematchups, especially if you Adda Omis arliner, pretty good, mostly just sleep, baby, bl hounds andATPS. What I wouldn't want to see. I think absolutely what what do you thinkwould be the play for San Diego? Do you have any decks, O they're kind of onyour radar? I am not for sure. Yet I don't thinkthe meadol was very odd and it you know, there's like a lot ofdifferent things. This whole. This whole format to me feels kind oflike every deck's pretty good, but it has like one horrible, horrible,matchup or maybe two- and I like you, just can't really do anything about andthen like every other matchop ye o is like okay or better. I don't know if you kind of feel thatsentiment at all but yeah it fucks, because it feels like the matchups thatare bad. You have a hard time even trying to outplay yeah. That's what I'msaying like the matchup you'll have like one or two just really reallyreally bad matchups that you almost can't do anything about and then likethe rest of the formas fifty fifty year, better. There's no there's not like alot of really. I don't know at's weird to me.I don't know how to describe it perfectly, but I think you know whatI'm saying yeah and also to add insult injury. EVERYBECK is just super slow,now yeah they're like slow and awkward andWeird Yeah. This is this is one of my least preferred e Senan Moon format. So far, I'm notGOINGTA lie yeah, so I don't know. I don't know like ATPseems like a decent choice right now it just because it can do a lot in alot different matcheps and you can always lean into Keldio for likeawkward gx matchups. I never really find it to be thatharmful to just go back to Mutu and play me to that's been my favorite deck for thelast three and a half months now, and that's not really enttrack to change. If I could find a way to get dolls tobe ATP out of play, dolls yeah, I just run it back yeah. I would agree withthat. It's just it takes such a hard matchup against that deck or FITGY. Iwould, I would do the same thing for pitgey if I could find a way for Pitcheto consistently get ab right right, and then I guess that comes down to likethe local metagame to if you're thinking about playing in cups like ifyou don't have a lot of ATP that maybe Pitgy is a good deck, because I dothink it it gets to at TWINCO R I like it. It can mill, obviously faster moreconsistently faster than the doll stick, but has a very glaring weakness in thatyou're leaving a you know, Norangaru, active or Garaci or whatever prigiotoevery turn for the ATP to come swallow up. So it gets really tough yeah. So Iguess instead of picking one deck, I'm Gi'm, indecisive until I ilock in thatth that Dangdeck list, I would say I top three in no order or atpmt an PGyeah, and what would you teck in Meu to to handle what we've seen this lastweekend? What would I teck in me to yeah, Iprobably Ar Subtract,...

I'm not sure exactly what I would do. Ithink the lists that are coming out tend to be pretty good. I think just having like a Turtinator,make sure that's in the deck to deal with Guardi and Keldias seems prettygood to me other than that. I think I'm pretty comfortable W T to deck andactually looping back to Wa. You said earlier about the nine energy. Actuallydon't think. That's necessarily true that that's a problem because a lot oftimes you can get the three hundred flairblets gx off on a Guardi beforethey get like double charmd down so O. I see I see okay, so yeah. I think the trder is actuallypretty easy to pull off versus Gardy, so I would play Moutu with a CHURC asif I had to say, like a tech, if that's even a tech anymore, I play the turrtsure cool gool. So that's what we're looking atheading into San Diego! Is there any of the thoughts you have? What kind ofshifts when you might see going into that? Or you know what people might be thinkingabout? Malamar probably still stays big. I think a lot more people will cling.The ADP as just their deck of choice, would be interesting to see how ATPchanges. If it does at all, maybe people will go for an ends, resolvestyle so that they can try to gain a one up in the mirror. If they're ableto hit an energy early and they go second or something, then they can getthat attack off before their opponent yeah. What might just be kind of theweird stuff that we started, seeing in adplis changing to try to beat the Mirrequist oey switch, also an option. Energy switch exactly that could ECAwork as well Malamar seems always to just be well represented, althoughagain well, I think we'll just echo the same sentiments that we had last timewhere Malimaris a decent, if not good deck, but will not win the tournamentand then one day we'll get punished. For sayingthat, I don't I'm so confident that we won'tthat I'mworried. That's must yeah. I real that I mean I don't like disagree, but Ifeel like one day, they'll just be this insane tournament, where someone druesthe most insane hands all the Al. We Anand Te just high rold whole thingyeah or the opponents all deaddraw, every single gn. It's like, I always say, there's like atheoretical world where a theme deck wins Aregional, just because everygoneagainst it. As so bad I mean, and there is really no moreteem decki deck than Malamar and ACROSMA. I mean that that, like literally, is a theme Dack.Basically I a BEV NEC yeah. You set up all your little guys and then he Li Hep.No, it's like a double thedick right yeah I mean it's a double battle: RantIV, not yeah, Thembai Taki backth, like the languagematters here, Trueso yeah, but it is l. It is Oh, my Godyeah, that's an Inka, so yeah I mean I think Malmar willstill see representation, even though ATP is pretty pretty bad matchup yeahpeople like that that, for whatever reason sure do you think there's any roguesurprises that might come out this weekend. I mean a lot of our viewers.Live have just come off of Andrews Stream where Nuzzll Riht, you justended up when going three or three one or four one. That's that's a pretty interestingarchetype. It's actually looking pretty good against ex, like Guardi Hes, justbuild up a gigantic right te one shot, and then you go into the reshiramzerom and one shot. The nextcardy rush rams that Crown Oh really yeah onner. They play like a heavy Rosaand valkners and they get out ther Reshi, Rom, lightnings or energy,switch off the lightning and attach the one of fire and just go oo like yourdead Ro, it was insane yeah. I mean that could be a thing I think again.Tecargio mal medal could be a thing if we're looking at rogue decks an I mean. Those are the two that justjump out in my mind. Yeah I mean I honestly not's write youand look metal. They feel like they occupy a similar like mindspace to me,yeah, absolutely similar tier in my Brin yesyes. I think,like maybe a heavier ultra macrosmo Malamar, like an altera across Ma,focused Malmar might be good, that's kind of the other. You know I'm thinking about just just like two altanate grassman tometal at Mor, like last eworld format. Where is just you know, you're playingan Alteran, a crosme beck and not necessarily like a a psychic malmardeckwith like a one of ultenacross, no...

...making it a little more and EltrenaCrosmos. Definitely like the multiprize tattacker of choice, right yeah-probably I think so. Do you have any opinions on like ultra versus so gally Lunahala or Girtina garchompor any other miscillineous attecker that might exist in Malli? No, I really don't fair enough fair enough. I, like theold tricker Seu, has build it up on the bench and one shot anything where is Ho Guirtinean Gardchop actually can't Oneshi anything sure not well that that car kind ofweird it's like it, can't one shot everything not that it can't onshit anyothingecause. I mportant because, like theoretically, can onch ot somethingslike like Pekaron tscreew, that guy okay. So that's a lot of inef foresightand reflection on this past weekend and heading into next weekend. Jw Is thereanything else that we wanted to hit on during this week's episode, any hugeupincoming decks and he random things that you want to talk about shout out.Hmm, I am just I m going to ask you a question. Riley. How excited are youfor the Christmas party? I am very excited for those of you who are not inthe loop JW is having a Christmas event that you're not invited to during the weekend of the Pole, justMak. So you know so well, it's just like he didn't want you. I wasadvocating like hey. We should invite everybody. INJW was like. Actually Idon't want them to. I don't like them and they kind of annoy me Andi'm, like JW. That's really rude. Idefly didn't say all of that, but anyway JFIS having get togetherthat we kid to the fourteenth and I'm coming back to Columbus. So if any ofyou are living Ohio, you can. You can see me in person yeah. We can sot atthe Cup yeah I'm going to licup in Ohio, which just sounds like killer time itjust it just sounds two years ago, right, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I'm really I'm really excited.Although Oh, we also, I did get to see Hamilton, thitis cool and you got to see Hamiltontoo. So we're like your brothers in arms. That's right! What was what didyou say your like overall review of it? What dis you rate it, as I don't know, nine out of ten yeah. Ifeel like that too. It's definitely the best musical I've seen yeah, it's agood musical. It's good entertainment! I feel like I've seen it so I can tapinto that cultural yeah Ye. I esroal well for sure yeah well, and I wouldsee it a second time so that usually, if something, if I'm willing to see apiece of media or like read a book or see a play or see a musical like asecond time that usually is like the barrier for taking something, that'sgood to being. You know nine or ten out of ten worthy for sure you, because Ilike a lot of things, but I'm like you know what my time isn't valuable enoughfor me to Rewatch, but hamiltons o things that I would do ith that I wouldrewatch well anyway, let's open up the floor to questions. We will take thefirst five questions that we get and then we will sign off for the day. Soin the meantime, though JW, I have one question about Hamilton for you: Whatwere your thoughts on the rotating stage aspect of it? I thought I didn't really add a lot toit really yeah. I was like it's okay likeit's fine. I thought it was really cool because it let yyo like walk and likeeither be faster or like mo stay in place, while also actively walking suresure yeah I mean it was fine. I just I don't know it was fine. I thought Ifelt like the set of all the like components of Hamilton. I felt like theset was the least spectacular yeah. It was sto good Ike, its fine. I mean Iwe're talking about. Like the you know, like the backgroundcomponents, I guess I think the costume design was probably the theest yeahyeah costm design was definitely good. I you know the lyrics were really good.The Music Yeah X, I'm expluding like the content, whatever yeah, I guessit's all content. I don't know how to describe it like cekscluding, like thelyrical spoken part of it. I think the costumes was like the best part yeah. Ithink, if we're act overall best part has to be the lyrics. Yeah Ger's is veris particular anyway,orgo. First question from creeping fruit. What do you think about Rosaversus bills? In ATP JM thoughts? I mean they both seem perfectlyacceptable. I think it's just kind of you know half a dozen of one, twelve ot, the other or six of theother. I guess- and so you know I mean it fi half adozen on twelve o, the other s, there's...

...a clear advantage. There I haven't ose on one at six. The other just seems fine. I would like to godown to the next question, though Cynthia or lily I do feel like lily iskind of a suboptimal supporter BRADP. I don't know if you felt that way, butall the games that I played with it just lily hasn't felt the greatest,because you really can't pare your hand down with anything. There's nothingreally that lets you discard cards. You can like play Pokemon and play energy,but then your hand is just generally really big. So I never really findmyself drawing more than drawing more than four off an firstturn lily. So I wonder if maybe those should just be Cynthian Caitlans or something likethat yeah. I probably think the Cynthia actuallymight be better as well. I would have to get more hands on experience with it,though tosay Ti definitively Dermean Xander, obviously played lily, sawsuccess with that, but it didn't ever look like he was drawing a lot off ofit. It never looked like super impressive and ever like Oh wow, likelily arlike, Oh lily, that's looking niceright now. T is more like hey like lily forty three, that's pretty nice today,yeah Itas! It was all right. I will say the other thing about Cyndiaand I was talking to Jimmy Pen Darvis like midevent and he's like. Ohactually, I beat Zander in a game. It was a little bit easier and I thoughtit would be because he didn't play any deck refresh. So I was able to likevers aggressively hit his cars like. Well, that's that's! Definitely true.It's definitely true. So I always like the option to have like one Cynthiaindex just to refresh right, exactly yeah and then toloop back sorry to cruping fruits mentione there about Rosa versus bill.I would just like to pose that question to you Riley. Oh, I like the Rosa forsure. I feel like the turns that you would buill aren't typically like thesuper like do you really care what you get off bills when you're playing billsthat often or is like Rosa, is happening on important turns because I,the turns the stuff gets knocked out an you're, getting not just trainers like you're. Gettingother important pieces like the Keldeo, for example, is kind of hard to searchout like when you need it or is ander played the mimic he which is not easyto search out. You can get that whole Mimiqu Combo. As long as you have aswitchout with just the Rosa right right O I mean I guess you can't get a rainbow,but you could play like a want of Farry or something if you want to do it. Thatway. ' Sure so ter's, like the Rosajust, seems like it does more like assemblesa whole Combo t once wheres the bill, just like gets random stuff out of thedeck right effectively like bills, might as well. Just give you two liketwo random trainer cards for sure exactly, whereas roses giving youdeliberate things that you're choosing on important turns and then especiallywith the one of us, you know you just you'R, you're, more able to searchthose out yeah an you're playing one of counter game, one of Great Catcher,right, yeah and also you know like you- can also get supporters to set up for,like the next turn, like yeah sure. Just like good. I don't know sure Imean it's a little more conditional right because you have to havesomething in knocked out and like you're, presuming that the ATP is thefirst thing to get knocked out so you're already halfway through the gameat that point. But you know it is just that that SPECI specificity is very,very strong. So I guess, like part of my logic there, as well as like, ifstuff's not getting knocked out, then you're in a lice like you're, probablyfeeling, okay and like you, don't need to get like specific cards out of yourdeck of that moment, you can just afford to like Cynthia Calin or lily oror Cynthia or whatever sure the real magnaton says. Do you wishStage two decks could make it come back in a later matter. Absolutely I've beenplaying a lot of my cube with my wife, my heart, gold, soul, Silver Cube and alot of those cards were volve around stage too. So we've been having a lotof fun plane ravering. I kind of forget what it's like to play: Rare Candy inthis current Meto, but I do wish they would make a come back. Yes and no, Ihate mal candy it just like. It feels really bad to have to rely on it, but Ido like evolution decks in general, like even O circummanting Sagedo, likestage Bondex, have also kind of died, and I just think that evolution is partof Pokemon like as the franchise, and so I like it when evolution decks are athing, absolutely cool. Well, I want to take this timerile to shout out our twitter. We should maybe get that as a banner arotating banner, but we have started a tag. Team podcast, twitter accountwhere we're going to be posting. You know presumably just more often moreinteresting topics. We would love it if you're listening now or if you'relistening later. If you would go and...

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