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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 9 · 2 years ago

8. Sandy Eggo

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All right, what is up everybody? Welcome back to tag team. I'm Riley Hobarton by my good friend JWCurry Wall, who is rocking out on his camera. If you're watching thevideo. D W, how you doing this week? I'm doing good,Riley. How are you? I'm doing pretty well. So for the audiolisteners, JW is wearing what if hear's to be a full suit. JW, what's the occasion? I was playing a show tonight. I hada Gig and downtown Columbus where we were like it was cool. It's probablythe weirdest show I've ever played. You were background musician to these acrobatic people. Okay, kind of circulay kind of thing. It was basically serked toSoleigh, but I think based in Canada. But anyway, they're doing this hugetour on the United States. They've been in Washington and Idaho and nowthey're, you know, Chicago yesterday and they've been just met slowly making theirway down to the Midwest and they're going to do all through Texas and thingslike that in the next couple weeks. So it was pretty cool. Therewas like the ring people that you know got on a ring that came downand like swirled around the ring. People. Yes, there there were people that, you know, just just we're doing like big jumps, and thenthey had like a see saw that jump, you know, flip people in theair. They had this one dude, I just didn't understand what was happeningat first, but he was being suspended by his hair. That soundspainful. I don't know how it works, but I think it's probably some likeweird, you know, cultural thing from not America, where you suspendyourself by your hair. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.Somebody could look that up. Then you're saying that's like a daytoday thing outsideof America or or just like an art of performing arts type thing. Okay, yeah, but and then just some other sweet like jumping and stuff.There was a midget. I don't think you can say that. Wouldn't prettysure you say a little person. Okay, there was a little person. Mybad, I didn't mean. Is that really not a term anymore?I thought it was still a term. I don't know, I'm pretty sureit's not. Maybe I would agree with you. It may have been outlawed, but okay, a little person. Yeah, there's a little perfect.There was a man on the jumpy shoes. He had jumping shoes on. Itwas very it was very cool and that all. That the best partabout it. We were just playing Christmas songs and it was pretty easy.So I got like, you know, it's under box for just being there, for existing. So it's cool. Yeah, Eder came in with hisraid on twitch right, it's here say say our stuff. So well,woman past that. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't Realiz'M A.It's a sign of the Times. You guys. I'm just too old tow as a massive, massive boomer. He doesn't know anything. Well,anyway, there was a pokemon tournament this weekend that neither of us are at, but we did have some insight going into it. Yeah, that wouldbe the day Tona Beach Regional Championship, so standard event down in Florida.Got To experience the beach the sun if you were there. So that's prettycool. I'm kind of jealous because it's been miserable up here in Wisconsin andit was taken home by guard of our syll be on a deck that wedidn't really talk about much at all for the past couple weeks. No,so we'll touch on that. And second place ATP a deck that we reallyragged on a lot. There was a new, innovative build that Sander Perrokind of led the charge on, alongside some of his friends like will Jenkinsand role ready, and that saw a lot of success. And then alot of stuff that we did expect, like mute two and Malamar and dolls, saw a lot of success as well. So I think we just got tostart right from the top. Man Guard of our sylvion. How didthat escape our our radar? It wasn't really a deck we we're thinking about. Yeah, I really wasn't. I mean I think you look at itand you say, okay, probably doesn't be like Piggi Otto. It's probablyreally tough matchup. Things like baby blound's really tough matchup and even like maybeabilities are it, although you do have like the stamp plant Combo, whichcan slow it down. But I'm thinking more like baby blounds is going tobe really tough for it to beat. And with so much representation of babybloonds in in, you know, in in that tournament, I'm surprised thatit didn't get thwarted in its efforts. I'm surprising made it out of kindof that sea of favorable matchup, but doubt. I mean baby blounds wasthe second most popular deck, I believe, with around eighty people playing it orsomething like that, or maybe this less than that, sure, buteither way it was the second most popular deck, tons of representation. That'sjust a really, really bad matchup for guard of our. So what doyou think ended up making guard of air...

...the deck of choice for this tournament? What was the either the innovation that brought it to success or was itjust sort of a mashup thing or it hit the right people at the righttime? What do you think went into that victory? Yeah, yeah,I think you look at, you know, on the flip side of that coin, where we say, okay, baby blonds is really big. Howdid it make it through that? You also look at how big mewtwo was, as, I believe, the most played deck it was, and itjust really just stomps, it takes it to town. None of them do, I can imagine, or playing anything like lysander labs. So there weresome less playing turtinators and stuff. Sure, a Turtinator, but even then it'slike only one and I do feel like, you know, you needto use all your resources perfectly to be guard of are right. So youneed to get that six energy reshus ared gx attack off and then you needto not lose that attacker while you can build up with your last three energy, presuming you play nine, using your last three energy to power up detertinatorto try to get a knock out on the other guard of ooir. Sothat that's really tough to play that matchup if you only play, you know, nine energy, and so you can definitely win, no doubt. However, makes it very difficult, especially when they have, you know, thefairy charm. You know that's likes pretty good car. Yeah, and thenI think the other thing too is obviously we saw a lot of success withATP. A lot of people saw success with ATP. So that's another prettygood matchup, I would say. And if you're going to hit, youknow some of the most popular decks, like mew to an ATP, thoseare some of the most played. So you can definitely see how the guardof our player went through a tournament with great success. Yeah, I actuallykind of want to expand on that thought. Something that we said over and overon the cast is how you want to be teching for the top tablesand not the not the middle to bottom tables. So if you can makeit out around three and get through to see a bad matchups, and typicallyyou'll if you can hit good matchups from there on, it's probably the rightdeck for the tournament. And I think the two DEX I probably ample likeexemplify that the most were guard of our a ATP actually this tournament. Where'sthe guard of our now with the a'Mas Star to deal with the dolls alittle bit better. Really actually is difficult thing for the current iteration of thesedolls list to deal with. And there's more. There's stuff that you cando to adjust to that, which we can hit on later. But youhave that for the dolls matchup. You do pretty well against ATP, whicha lot of top players ended up playing. ATP, do pretty well into Mewtwo, and so really there weren't a ton of top players that were playingbaby bloonds because of the fear that loomed overhead of this doll stall matchup,which is unwinnable for baby blonds. And so realistically, actually, Guardi endedup being a really good choice once you got through those initial trials of thetournament, and that's we saw to make top eight. Let's not forget Deanalso made top eight with Cardivar. Yeah, that that's really big. I presumethat they didn't work on list together. I don't know for sure, butthat's just really interesting to see, you know, again like two differenttesting groups. Who do two different people come to that same conclusion and findsuccess? Yeah, but let's shift gears a little bit now. Card offart does have a okay match up versus ATP. I actually think the matchupsa little bit tougher than it is portrayed sometimes, and I think that wasbest exemplified in game two of the finals, where Isander was able to get offthe reset stamps and stick some Caldeos and keep those chaotics wells going.And really you only need the damage from the GX attack of ATP. Soit moves a little bit faster than you might expect, especially with the withthe addition of that counter gain into the ATP list. I think is actuallyhuge because it lets you more proactively attached to Keldo. You can just spriteone energy gx ATP and the meantime you're just building up that Caldeo to swingfor one hundred and forty and the guard of ours are getting out three prizesanyway. So it doesn't really matter that you're right. Don't have extra prizebonus because actually waiting to be better. I was going to say the prizing, like giving up an ATP early almost feels kind of to your advantage ifyou're the if you're the eighty player, because then you just get the harsherreset stamp and it's like if you can get that gx tack off and theyknock you out like then without really thinning their deck, then you're presuming likethe way you win the matchup is like they you hope they don't draw intowhat they need. You know, presumably that the Faba right, which wedid see, drew rip off of that polk a gear to win the lastgame. But yeah, the reset stamps can be pretty harsh, especially earlygame, because you're looking at a deck like Guardi wore that wants to takeits time. They usually has the benefit of time to kind of set upthe energy, get a lot of you know, thin their deck that wayby just drawing a bunch of energy out. But then when you played against ATP, I mean you definitely don't want to give them too much time either, right, and so your troth kind of slower building up right game staykind of decks, right, exactly.

And like if you're a guard ofour player, like of course you take the knockout, you know, ofcourse you would. On an ATP that is just gx, but then thatleaves you're susceptible to the recent stamp. So yeah, so I think,I mean sandrew played that really intelligently and I think he really did everything thathe could. Well, to be honest, he probably like he probably should havewon that third game, right, like, if drew doesn't pull thefab off of the poke gear, then what does he do? Right?Yeah, I drew was on a very short clock to find the things thathe needed. Yeah, so, I mean I I think Sander had areset stamp that he tried to hold for a turn, if I'm remembering correctly, and someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think his intentionwas that that drew had just Cynthia Caitlin for a Greens and he would havetwo Greens for the Faba Plant Combo and then he could stamp that away andset him back two turns effectively. I think that was the idea. Butthen drew was able to get the poke gear into the Faba as opposed tohaving to use the Greens to draw into it. So for a little bitunfortunate. You could if sander did in fact have that reset stand, whichI believe he did, you could debate whether or not he should have playedit, because now drews drawn a bunch of cards. But I think itdepends in your school of thought. There I don't think it was objectively wrongthe way it was plaid. Sure. Either way, though, ATP definitelywas a huge contender in this format, and I think the real big gamechanger there was the Rosa engine, was really, really smart. We talkedso much about ATP just throwing up a three fries and be like yeah,well, don't, don't kill this. And what better way to deal withit potentially being knocked out then having a rose that are ready, and it'sreally clever. I like it a lot. Yeah, it's cool, especially whenyou're playing cards like custom catchers that are more Combo based, cards likecounter game, which are supposed to be retrieved at certain instances in the game. You know these all these things now that make the Rosa makes sense inthe deck. So sure it was. It was just really cool. Itis really smart innovation and, of course, the the way that sander built hisdeck was heavily, heavily geared towards beating stuff like doll decks, forexample, with the addition of the giraffe egg and the custom catchers, can'tbetween cragonal custom catchers. Draft a like dolls is going to have a reallyunfortunate time. Yeah, we're really hard to deal with, for sure,so it's not it. Yeah, it's been good to see the custom cautcherscome back to ATP. I think that was a change that people had beengoing towards. I know a lot of people had been cutting them in favorof just playing the great catcher, but now I do feel like you absolutelyshould play the custom catchers because you do want to chase down some of thosenon gx has, I think particularly of you know, the the doll stylematch up where you want to knock out forrgeous or you know their munch lacks, or you want work out like a Piggioto, or you want to knockout a victini or something like that. I do agree with with the waythat the deck was built. I love the rose, I love the customcatchers, just really strong foundation for that build and I think that'll be theprimary way to build ATP. Moh Yeah, for word, definitely, and I'mactually I've greatly shifted my opinion of ATP after seeing an action. Iactually think, you know, we ragged on it a bunch for, youknow, two or three weeks now, and I actually think it's it's likea decent deck. It's one I would consider playing now that I've seen anaction with this kind of build. Yeah, for sure for sure. I meansometimes it just takes that one cards, a kind of unlocked unlock the possibilitiesof a deck totally, and so we definitely saw that with with theRosa. Yeah, for sure for sure. So I also do want to touchon those custom catchers and why I think ATP is an especially good userof them because of that gx attack right, like there's actual notable benefit to pullingup a non gx besides, just like knocking out a Pokemon, like, you take that extra prize, which kind of offsets the deck space.That goes into a plus. ATP is such a simple deck there. Youdon't need a lot in it, which look gives affords you that space tofit in for custom catchers were stuff like mew too now has such an absurdamount of stuff going on that is actually really difficult to fit for additional cards, right, you know, even that one extra slot, if you playthree great catchers, that one extra slot is still incredibly relevant. Absolutely.You know where is? You know, with ATP it's like the have xander'slist now, which is pretty tight and like well made, but, likeyou know, there's a lot of things that went into it. You know, there's a raft for egg, there's for custom catchers like that alone isa lot going on that only ATP can really afford that deck space. Itrides me a lot of Peka Ram.

Yeah, it's super interesting, right, because you only have two of the main attacker in ATP. I haveto of the Kel Deo and then pretty much the rest of that, thepokemonline, the trainer's energy whatever. That's like free game. You can reallyjust kind of build a lot of different ways, do a lot of differentthings. Yeah, a lot of space x ATP really is just feels tome like a new age Peka Ram. It has a lot of similarities inthe tempo of the deck. It has a lot of similarities in the likeacceleration aspect of it and affordability of text. So that, granted. I wasn'ta pick peek aroun family either. So yeah, I'm sure the vibestill till prepails, I think. I think my my view of ATP ishigher now after seeing its success. I mean it yeah, very good witha lot players, but I still don't think it was be something that Iwould personally play at an event. I think it's a fine deck. Ithink if somebody came to me and I was like Hey, I'm thinking aboutplaying ATP, I would say yeah, you know, do it, likeif you're comfortable with the deck, like definitely do it, and if you'remetagame shapes up correctly for ATP, then definitely do it. I just don'tknow that it's it's a deck that I would play. Yeah, I thinkthat's totally fair to I mean this about has so many options to like youshouldn't have to restrict yourself to playing certain archetypes or decks. So ATP andGuardivoir, I really think they exemplified what we've hit on so many times inthis podcast about teching for the top tables. Let's talk about what those top tableswere looking like. Sure, Daytona, I saw we saw a lot ofMalamar. I think Malamar was one of the most played, maybe themost represented, decks in day two, and that was a bit of ashocker for me. Yeah, I think in my perspective I wasn't that surprisedat its saw representation. It kind of panned out like we thought it would, like there was a descent amount of people playing Malamar. A lot ofthem saw middling success and then one person made it to like top four andthen lost, which is like that's just that's so qui essential Malamar. Isn'tit like a bunch of make day to well, it was. It wasn'teven like that. I want to say too, is that Malamar had noshot at beating ATP or Guardi like it just had no chance. I thinkyou had a better chance of beating the ATP and it did it. Beatingthe Guardi sure, sure, and you could, you could debate, youknow, matchup percentages, but like it had unfavorable matchups almost across the boardand top eight. Yeah, so you know it. Yeah, exactly,we were. We were almost fought on with that prediction of Malamar being likethat, that comfort pig, that kind of that safe choice that you mayhave gotten day two with it, but you definitely weren't winning the tournament withit, and you know it. Definitely. It definitely panned out and I thinkI think we could go to say, like you know, it wasn't evena bad break that it didn't make the finals or win the event.It just wasn't ever going to win. With them spread it's like you're right, but it hurts to hear to sure. So there was a couple different waysthat we saw Malamar played, though, which, again, that's very quintessential. Alamar is like a bunch of people played a million different ways andnobody agrees on it. A couple of those ways with the most success waskind of a just a very traditional psychic build, Michael Katron with, youknow, just audios to get that clear vision off. You have Guartina juststretchly swing, spell tags deliciousness. That obviously socks success. I don't eventhink we really need to talk about that because everybody knows about Psych Malmar atthis point. Yeah, some of the more interesting variants. Not to saythat it wasn't interesting that Katrin did involve the psychic, but some of theother sorry, Ketron didn't play audios, but you get the idea, likepsychic Malmar. So the other parents we saw was Olcen ACROSMA was a prettypopular variant. Yeah, and it kind of follows suit with things that we'veseen in this format, with like needing the ability to deal with large threatson the board. Not a huge fan of Olin acrossma your myself. Iknow that you've seen in at least a couple times on the latter of thepassible days. I don't know if you experimented it with it yourself. Whatare your thoughts on the Oulcen acrossma very of Melmar? I mean seems good. I was seeing mostly from the tournament and just things on the ladder thatpeople were playing kind of a thin line, maybe one alternate acrossma and one,you know, beast energy and a metal, you know, just avery kind of splashed in, not necessarily an afterthought, but certainly not themain focus of the deck, and I do feel like that's probably the wayto play it, just because I don't know that Malamar or that ultnate acrossmahas that many strengths other than, you know, just taking down things likeguardivoorn ATP. Yeah, I mean more...

...or less I agree. More orless I agree on that one. Another kind of variant that we saw.Mike Morton played a ton of different sure, almost random feeling text but I've theyobviously had all their own use cases, but there was just such an interestingcombination of cards to see on a board. The one I thought wasthe most crazy was the snipy Venus or and when I saw chat and herein the commentator is talking about it, I wasn't really paying attention to whatwas going on and I'm like what. Yeah, that granted, I didn'tknow what the GX tag even did when this was happening. Something like Ilike the I actually like Venus or in expanded. Yeah, for the swith me in too, and they're just, you know, do fifty four one. But yeah, definitely a cool tech. I mean I'm not suredid he use it? I mean he can't. I don't know the otherattack. I just know the gx attack, the first attack, I believe,involves a grass energy, which I'm part of my confusion, and theability also involves grass energy. Sure, my when I was hearing this onthe sun on the Stream, I'm like the secret for Ridian for a grassand attach it to like get the gust effect, because that's kind of cool, I guess. But alas that was not the case, unfortunately. Sothat would have been kind of cool, but but it was more about usingthat gx attack to spread against the doll theres sure, which I don't thinkwe got to see that successfully happen on stream, unfortunately, but the threatof it was always there. He also played the fairy mimic, you withcopycat as opposed to the ever prevalence psychic one. Obviously the purpose of thatwas to hit into Arcistaga, Palkia home for one fairness, psychic yep,seems reasonable enough. I don't know if it actually is a huge matchup swingor not. Have Have you put any thought into fairy Mimique at all?It's not really I mean, I mean it seems like the best like kneejerk play. If you think ATP is going to be big, I don'treally see that there's any there's certainly not a non gx that I can thinkof off the top of my head that could be as splashable as mimic youto deal with an ATP. So yeah, I mean it's certainly it's easy toget the attack off with just a ridian and Malamar. So I don'tI don't see any problems with it and I think, like more, ithas a lot of interesting ideas that you can continue to build off of inthe future. I know some of our friends, particularly at their pierce wasvery into I can Adel in in Malamar is a way to deal with stalldecks, to activate your Le Cephalon. Yeah, that's certainly an option ifyou're able to get that off before the stall decks get off their clear vision. Yeah, right, because that seems like it just seems like that's thesomething that's going on a lot lately. Is that clear vision. Yeah,it's all asked. Yeah. So Malamar though, I mean I was Iwas impressed by by both its showing and and it's finish in the end.I think you know, obviously I didn't really expect it to win the wholetournament, but seeing it make all the way to top for was was prettynice. and seeing that a lot of top players actually did consider it waswas kind of cool. Yeah, as a deck that gets a lot offlak every every turn, it was kind of Nice to see it get somelove. Well. I mean there is like little phrase like Malamar did,Malamar things, you know. I see that Malam our hands, Malam ourhands, you know, and the the Lingo for when you get a badhand. But yeah, it was really refreshing to see it so well playedand so well highly regarded by top players. That was very interesting to see.Where there any other surprise decks or anything else you want to touch onabout? Like the day too metagame that you saw the I mean, Ithink the most interesting deck that we haven't talked about yet. It's got tobe the doll solid deck, right, I'm sure piluted by a ton ofplayers. All of them saw a decent amount of success. Both in dayone and in day two. We saw a couple different variants. I thinkthe premiere one, though, was that Jimmy Penn, darvis grant manly listthat made a bunch of top finishes. So let's just talk about dolls.I think you've been here. You've been big on dolls, dagwjw. That'shere preferred stall deck, if I'm remembering correctly from our conversations. Yep,so I'll hand it over to you. What do you think of the dollsdecks that came out of this tournament? We saw a couple different cool ideasin them. Do you think those will continue to be the play? Doyou think there's a way you can shake it up to continue to deal withthe decks that did well at Daytona? Already think dolls is kind of deadin the water after all, these crazy text of come out of them.Well, which specifically? Which specifically? which specific texts are you referring to? So, most notably, I'm thinking of stuff like custom catcher giraffe inATP and I'm thinking of I'm a star...

...in guardivore. Yeah, sure right. So dolls was, I think, a great choice, like for theevent. I mean we saw a lot of the top players choosing dolls and, like you said, it is my preferred stall deck. I think itjust gets the lock much quicker and much easier than like Piggioto, but doesabsolutely have its flaws, namely guardivore is a tough matchup if they include thealmost are and so you look at dolls and you say wow, this,you know, is such a great stall deck, such great matchups generally speaking. But we look at kind of what defined the tournament, the decks thatmade the finals in ATP and Guardivore, and they both had really, reallysolid answers to dolls in cragonal and Giraffe and, you know, custom catchersand ATP and the almost our line in the guardivore deck. So you lookat it going forward, I don't know if it's going to be that wellplayed. I don't know that there's anything that you can really do to avoidor prevent what's being thrown at it. I think it's just kind of thatthat deck where you have the way to the medicine on itself, where it'llbe good if everybody plays, you know, things like me too and abilities guardand I don't know, peak around, whatever it is. When people playdecks that are not ATP and Guardivore, then maybe dolls have a chance toto rise again. Yeah, I will admit I think the ATP ispretty tough, but I did come across an interesting card, I think itwas on verbank today, that might help against Gardivar. So listen to this. There's a celibe in unified minds. Oh does it pick up? Itdevolves one of your opponents of all pokemon and shuffles the evolution into the deck. Yeah, so that could work right, and they only play one rare candy. So exactly. I guess that could do it. You know,do you think that might be worth including? I mean it's one energy, oneor treat. It's second attack confuses, which actually isn't terrible either. Yeah, it doesn't seem so bad. Is that the is that a cellabystar? No, it's a celibrate dis a hollow rare from unified minds.Yeah, I mean that could definitely be good. I haven't seen that card, but I could definitely like if. But again, you know, guardavorewasn't so heavily played that I would be maybe worried about that in particular.I think I'd be more worried about ATP. I would definitely be more worried aboutATP. I'm not sure what the answer to ATP is, I willadmit. I mean no, we were talking about this the last podcast,I think. But saying Oh, well, well, you play one craagonal.Well, I'm going to play to spirit tomb and then, Oh,you played tutes criagonal, I'm gonna like three spirits and knowledge sudden her deckstarts to look like a SIS spirit. It is just spir too. Ithere was one player actually, Nathan Brower, finished in the lower end of daytwo. He played two spirit team and two spirit to Rainbow Energy andactually said on his facebook post that he didn't think the second the two towline, is particularly useful. It didn't really change anything in the end.Right, you have to imagine that that's true. Just because it's it's goingto be hard to get up. Takes some extra turns to get a goingATP can always custom catcher it up and knock it out before you get thenecessary amount of damage on your spirits. Whom to one shot a cragon alsoa lot to think that that. You know the tech is good in theory, but then maybe in practice doesn't quite work the way you want it toevery time. Yep, it's kind of as kind of be like that.Yeah, I don't really yeah, I don't really know exactly what the solutionis there. There's just the cryogals pretty tough to deal with and you canplay like channelers. But that doesn't it's one turn. So you you know, you can lose to me in it every other turn, but it's Iguess if you like get enough dolls out on the turns that you channel her, you could potentially loop that. I suppose you would need two dolls everytime you channel her. Yeah, exactly. I don't know how you'd pull thatoff. I guess you could stack one the turn prior and then channelher drawn to another after Rachi and bench to it's not impossible, actually,I guess. Yeah, it's definitely not the worst idea, but then youhave to like I need to play channeler in your deck, which, yeah, all right, and you have to play channel. I feel like dollshas that like maybe three and twenty three to six cards that it can workwith, though. Yeah, so for sure it's just an idea. Idon't know. I like stall that. Yeah, put in the rain powerthere is always nice to me, sure, but I think that's the lasting Ireally wanted to hit on them. We saw some spatterings of Cephalon gx. I still hate that that. I don't know if you have any fondnesstowards it, jw not particularly. I mean it may take a decent,too good matchup against cardivore if they're not...

...playing the ultra beast fairy charm,but you lose to ATP. I'd imagine just in that they can wall withKeldo pretty effectively against you. So not too sure what you're doing that matchup. Maybe it comes down to like a Stinger gx play and then you knockout their ATP and that's how you win. But even then I just feel likeit's a lot set up and the deck already struggles a little bit withconsistency. Yeah, that's fair enough. So I think that's it's more orless all the decks that we saw in day two of Daytona. There was, you know, a couple random decks here and there, but most ofthem had one to two players and typically didn't see that many high finishes atthe end of the day. So let's let's shift our perspective to move forwardthen, a little bit turp. This weekend we have another regional in Sandieco, California. That are its San Jose? I'm mixing up all the same.I think it's in San Diego. This is San Diego. This istoo. This too much for my brother Yago. Whatever. There's original Californiathis weekend. I'm sorry to all the Californias so immediately offended by mixing upyour cities. And it's another standard one. So this event no doubt, howhe is going to have a huge influence into the the metagame moving intoCalifornia. Sure, w what do you think is going to be your deckof choice going to California this weekend? If I had to play in SanDiego today, I would choose Lucario Mel Metal. That that perfect powter deckfor this one. Okay, it sounds so stupid, I'm maybe because ithasn't seen play since KNOCKSVILLE. But the Meta is perfectly aligned for this deckto work. I think heading into San Diego you'll see a lot of playersopt to play the decks that did well and the next I did well.We're ATP and Guardivore, maybe mew two there. You can kind of lumpthat in there as well. Lucario Mel Metal has great matches because all ofthose things that it doesn't do that well against maybe blows Cephalon, maybe Malamarwith a thick alternate across my line. But I just the decks that,if we look at the Meta share and what was played in in the lasttournament. Looking forward, I think Lucario Mel Metal has the best match againstthe best decks back in the live age. You've got to lose in me here. So, like I see it, it's a Guardi. How does ithave a good ATV matchup? Because they just don't do enough damage.They like three shot you and you can heal ull, but they can healtoo. Yeah, but you just have more heel. I guess the GreatPaces and stuff you're saying. Yeah, you have more well, and thenyou have just you play like you could play. You have room to playmore healing. Sure, yeah, I just like you're talking the Greens,Weld Er, the car at all. Yeah, I don't know what Imean. Like I see the dirt, I see where you going. Yeah, it's like okay, so it's basically like metal, guardivore. Yeah,I guess. So cardivore has a good matchup. I mean maybe primarily becauseof weakness, but at the same problem is that Guardi can power like Famaplant and one shot at Keldo. Where is you need to get two differentplants town and hit the Killdo as sooner they don't heal all the damage offin between. It's fine, it's fine, but but they don't want shot you. It's cool, and you have and you have HOOPA. You havehooppa to don't forget you, but this is like one damage and dies.It's right. It's like a weird matchup, but you're just I feel like it'snot a good matchup. Man, you can stamp them, it's cool. Let mean, you can stamp anything. I feel like it's not a goodmatchup. You have to get way too many plants down at those kelts. thinking. I don't know, and whoever's been in my stream the lastfew days can vouch for me. I think the two times, I thinkwe've played it two times with our Lucario moment, we won both. SoI don't know what that says. I think it says more about the deckthan the players on the ladder in this instance. But I just I feellike it's a good matchup. I feel like it's a good play. Yeah, for sure, convince him. You definitely didn't convince me. I dosee your idcre logic process, though, especially I mean like obviously the Carmel. That will really give Gardavore a rough...

...time. Yeah, for sure.I mean, you know, and it's tough, like like we're trying totalk these matchups, but it is like the only testing that I've done,and I've done, I mean I've done a lot of testing since last week, but it's all been on the ladder. So, like I've not done anylike specific matchups, and especially when you're talking about a rogue deck,which I would say Lucario Mel Metal is, like I can't give you, youknow, exact numbers. You know what I'm saying. I feel likeit's a good deck. It's it's a heart deck. Here's what it usedto do, here's what it should do, here's the, you know, posurethat I've had with it and what it's done. So yeah, Imean we can definitely like theorem on this all night and come to completely differentanswers, but it seems like it should be a good deck. Obviously beatshandily the deck that just won, and so do at least play the almostoar line. You could, you could play the almost aline, but you'renot convinced it. Well, I don't know what to cut. The decksalready so perfect. It's a dead I know, I have perfect list.If you want the perfect list, just go to my twitter. I meanmaybe we should control consult jamist out, because he's in he's in that group. Chat with us. That's true. That's true. He should. Heprobably asked some ideas about the car. I'm a metal. I mean ifthere, I don't think there's been a better time. I will say that. Yeah, I mean John Did bubble out of top eight, knocksvills.That was a pretty good time. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then ifyou think that mew two will stay as strong as it as it was, just people like me two and it's so generally like solid deck, likeit's very, very good deck, I think it does have just a numberof very solid, even to favorable matchups. Yeah, yeah, I think alot of the matchups, especially if you add an a'most our liner,pretty good, mostly just like baby blounds and atps. What I wouldn't wantto see, I think absolutely. What what do you think would be theplay for San Diego? Do you have any decks that are kind of onyour radar? I'm not for sure yet. I don't think the metal was veryodd and out. You know, there's like a lot of different things. This whole this whole format to me feels kind of like every deck's prettygood, but it has like one horrible, horrible matchup or maybe two, andI like you just can't really do anything about and then like every othermatchup, yeah, I was like okay, or better. I don't know ifyou kind of feel that sentiment at all, but yeah, it sucksbecause it feels like the matchups that are bad you have a hard time eventrying to outplay. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like the matchup.You'll have like one or two just really, really, really bad matchups that youalmost can't do anything about and then like the rest of the format's fiftyyear better. There's no, there's not like a lot of really I don'tknow. That's weird to me. I don't know how to describe it perfectly, but I think you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and also,to add insult to injury, every deck is just super slow now. Yeah, they're like slow and awkward and Weird. Yeah, this is this is oneof my least preferred the sun and moon format so far, I'm notgoing to lie. So, I don't know, I don't know, likeATP seems like a decent choice right now. It just because it can do alot and a lot of different matchups and you can always leaned to Killdeofor like awkward gx matchups. I never really find it to be that harmfulto just go back to mew two and play you too. That's been myfavorite deck for the last three and a half months now and that's not reallyon track to change. If I could find a way to get dolls tobe atep out of play dolls, yeah, I just run it back. Yeah, I would agree with that. It's just it takes such a hardmatchup against that deck or Pidgy. I would I would do the same thingfor Pidgie. If I could find a way for Pigi to consistently get ATPright, right, and then I guess that comes down to like the localmetagame, to if you're thinking about playing and cups, like if you don'thave a lot of ATP the maybe Pigi is a good deck, because Ido think it it gets to it twin corright. Like it. It canmill obviously faster, more consistently faster than the dolls deck, but has avery glaring weakness in that you're leaving a you know, Neurrang Geru active orDRACI or whatever, Priggioto, every turn for the ATP to come swallow up. So it gets really tough. Yeah, so I guess instead of taking onedeck, I'm gent. I'm indecisive until I lock in that that Dangdeck list. I would say my top three, in no order, ourATP, mew too and Pidge. Yeah, and what would you tech in mewtoo to handle what we've seen this last weekend? What would I techin me too? Yeah, I'd probably her subtract. I'm not sure exactlywhat I would do. I think the...

...list that are coming out tend tobe pretty good. I think just having like a Turtinator, make sure that'sin the deck to deal with Guardi and Keldgos, seems pretty good to me. Other than that, I think I'm pretty comfortable to deck. And actually, looping back to wasted earlier about the nine energy actually don't think that's necessarilytrue, that that's a problem, because a lot of times you can getthe three hundred flare blitz gx off on a Guardi before they get like doublefarm down. So Oh, I see, I see. Okay, so yeah, I think the turnator is actually pretty easy to pull off versus Grty. So I would play mew two with a Turt as as if I hadto say like attach, if that's even a tech anymore. I play theTurret. Sure, cool, cool. So that's what we're looking at headinginto San Diego. Is there any of the thoughts you have at what kindof shifts when you might see going into that or you know what people mightbe thinking about? Malamar probably still stays big. I think a lot morepeople will cling to ATP as just their deck of choice. So be interestingto see how ATP changes, if it does at all. Maybe people willgo for an ends resolve style so that they can try to gain a oneup in the mirror. If they're able to hit an energy early and theygo second or something, then they can get that attack off before their opponent. Yeah, might just be kind of the weird stuff that we start seeingan ATP list changing to try to beat the Mirror qui energy switch, alsoan option energy switch exactly. That could echo work as well. Malamar seemspoise to just be well represented, although again we'll I think we'll just echothe same sentiments that we had last time, where Malamar's a decent, if notgood deck but will not win the tournament and then, well, daywe'll get punished for saying that. I don't I'm so confident that we won'tthat I'm not worried. That's most it. Yeah, I feel that. Imean, I don't like disagree, but I feel like one day they'lljust be this insane tournament where someone just the most insane hands all the allweekend. Yeah, and it just high rolled the whole thing. Yeah,or the opponent's all dead draw every single game. It's like I always say, there's like a theoretical world where a theme deck wins a regional just becauseeveryone guess it trus so bad, I mean, and there is really nomore them decky deck. Then Malamar NECROSMA. I mean that that like literally isa theme deck. Basically, it's a theme deck. Yeah, youset up all of your little guys and then he like a help. No, it's like a double theme deck, Right. Yeah, I mean it'sa double battle ran. I saw, yeah, them. I'd take itback. I think like the language matters here. It's true, sir,yeah, but it is. It is. Oh my God, yeah, that'san Inkay. So yeah, I mean I think Valmar still see representation, even though ATP is pretty pretty bad match up. Yeah, people likethat deck for whatever reason. Sure, do you think there's any rogue surprisesthat might come out this weekend? I mean a lot of our viewers livehave just come off of Andrew Stream where nuzzle right Schue just ended up wentgoing three or three, one or four one. That's a that's a prettyinteresting archetype. It's actually looking pretty good against decks like Guardi he's. Justbuild up a gigantic Richie one shot and then you go into the Reshi RamsCrom and one shot the next guard he rushi Rams crown. Oh Really?Yeah, they play like our heavy Rosa and Waulkner's and they get out theReshi Ram lightnings or energy, switch off the lightning and attach the one offire and just go whoooo. Really, you're dead row. It was insane. Um. Yeah, I mean that could be a thing. I thinkagain, Lacargo Mel metal could be a thing if we're looking at rogue decks, man. I mean those are the two that just jump out in mymind. Yeah, I mean I honestly nozzle right you and look metal.They feel like they occupy a similar like mind space to me. Yeah,absolutely similar, tear in my brain. Yes, I think like maybe aheavier ultn ACROSSMO Malamart, like an ultra across a focused Malamar, might begood. That's kind of the other thing I'm thinking about. Just it's liketo Ultran acrossman, to Metal Ergy, more like glass world's format, whereit's just you know, you're playing at alternate acrossma deck, not necessarily likea psychic Malamar deck, with like a want of ultram across making a littlemore and ultra acrossma is definitely like the...

...multi prize attacker of choice. Right. Yeah, probably, I think so. Do you have any opinions on likeultra versus so Galle Lunala or Guarotina guard chomp or any other miscellaney's attackerthat might exist in Malee? No, I really don't. Fair enough.Fair enough, I like the old truckers. You can build it up on thebench and one shot anything. We're to sound GUARTINEA guard chomp actually can'twant shot anything. Sure? Sure not? Well, that that Ka. Ikind of ware. It's like it can't one shot everything. Not thatit can't one shot any because I'm important, because like, theoretically, can oneshot somethings like like Peek Aram, screw that guy. Well, that'strue. Okay, so that's a lot of indepth foresight and reflection on thispast weekend and heading into next weekend. JW, is there anything else thatwe wanted to hit on during this week's episode? Any huge upandcoming decks andhe random things that you want to talk about? Shadow MMM, I amjust going to ask you a question, Riley. How excited are you forthe Christmas party? I am very excited. For those of you who are notin the loop, JW is having a Christmas this event that you're notinvited to, during the weekend of the Fu Ma, so you know.So, yeah, well, it's just like he didn't want you guy.I was advocating, like hey, we should invite everybody, and JW islike, actually, I don't want them to come. I don't like themand they kind of annoy me. I'm like, JW, that's really rude. I never didn't say all of that, but anyway, I jw is havinga get together that we could of the fourteen. Then I'm coming backto Columbus. So if any of you are living Ohio, you can,you can see me in person. Yeah, we can shock her at the cup. Yeah, I'm going to leak up in Ohio, which just soundslike a killer time. It is. It just sounds two years ago,right. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, I'm really I'm really excited. Although, oh, we also I did get to see Hamilton. It'scool, and you got to see Hamilton too, so we're like we're brothersin arms. That's right. What was what did you say? You're likeoverall review of it? What is she rated as? I don't know,nine out of ten. Yeah, I feel like that too. It's definitelythe best musical I've seen. Yeah, it's a good musical. It's goodentertainment. I feel like I've I've seen it, so I can tap intothat cultural yeah, you cultural. Well, for sure. Yeah, Oh,well, and I would see it a second time. So that usuallyif something, if I'm willing to see a piece of media or or likeread a book or see a play or see a musical like a second time, that usually is like the barrier for taking something that's good to being,you know, nine or ten out of ten worthy for sure, you know, because I like a lot of things, but I'm like, you know what, my time isn't valuable enough for me to rewatch. But Hamilton's thingsthat I would do, that I would re watch. Well, anyway,let's open up the floor. Two questions. We will take the first five questionsthat we get and then we will sign off for the day. So, in the meantime, though, did you I have one question about Hamiltonfor you. What were your thoughts on the rotating stage aspect of it?I thought it didn't really add a lot to it really. Yeah, itwas like it's okay, like it's fine. I thought it was really cool becauseit lets you like walk and like either be fasters or like move stayin place while also actively walking. Sure, sure, yeah, I mean itwas fine. I just I don't know, it was fine. Ithought I felt like the set, of all the like components of Hamilton,I felt like the set was the least spectacular. Yeah, it was sogood, like it's fine. I mean that we're talking about like the youknow, like the background components. I guess I think the costume design wasprobably the yeah, yeah, costume design was definitely good. I you know, the lyrics were really good. The music. Yeah, I'm excluding likethe content, whenever. Yeah, I guess it's all content. I don'tknow how to describe it, like excludly doating, like they lyrical spoken partof it. I think the costumes was like the best part. Yeah,I think if we're act overall, best part has to be the lyrics.Yeah, there's it's very s particularly. Anyway, we're good. Her firstquestion from creeping fruit. What do you think about Rosa versus bills in ATPJR thoughts? I mean, they both seem perfectly. I think it's justkind of, you know, half a dozen one, twelve of the other, or six of the other, I guess, and so you know.I mean it won't you find half a...

...dozen one, twelve of the other? There's a clear advantage to there. I have another one on six theother just seems fine. I would like to go down to the next question, though. Cynthia or lily, I do feel like really is kind ofa suboptimal supporter for ADP. I don't know if you felt that way,but all the games that I played with it just literally hasn't felt the greatestbecause you really can't pair your hand down with anything. There's nothing really thatlets you discard cards. You can like play Pokemon and play energy, butthen your hand is just generally really big. So I never really find myself drawingmore than drawing more than for off of first turn Lily. So Iwonder if maybe those should just be Cynthiam Caitlyn's or something like that. Yeah, Um, I probably think the Cynthia actually might be better as well.I would have to get more hands on experience with it, though. Tosay to definitively durm means xander obviously played lily, saw success with that,but it didn't ever look like he was drawing a lot off of it.It never looked like super impressive as never like Oh wow, like lily hard, like Oh lily, that's looking nice right now. It is more likethe like lily four three. That's pretty nice. It was all right.I will say the other thing about Cynthia, and I was talking to Jimmy Pendarvislike mid event and he's like, Oh, actually, I beat Xanderin a game. It was a little bit easier than I thought it wouldbe because he didn't play any deck refresh. So I was able to like veryaggressively hit his cars, like well, that's that's definitely true. It's definitelytrue. So I always like the option to have like one Cynthia indexjust to refresh right, exactly. Yeah, so, and then to loop backstart to creeping fruits. Mentioned there about Rosa versus bill. I wouldjust like to pose that question to you, Riley. Oh, I like theRosa for sure. I feel like the turns that you would bill aren'ttypically like the super like do you really care what you get off bills andyou're playing bills that often, whereas like Rosa is happening on important turns,because it's the turns the stuck gets knocked out and you're getting not just trainerslike you're getting other are important pieces, like the Keldeo, for example,is kind of hard to search out like when you need it, or Isanderplayed, the mimic you, which is not easy to search out. Youcan get that whole mimic you Combo, as long as you have a switchout with just the Rosa Right. Right. I mean, I guess you can'tget a rainbow, but you could play like a one of Ferriy orsomething if you want to do it that way. So it's like the roseof just seems like it does more like assembles a whole Combo at once.Where's the bill? Just like gets random stuff out of the deck right,effectively, like bills might as well just give you two, like to randomtrainer cards, for sure exactly, whereas rose is giving you deliberate things thatyou're choosing on important turns. And then, especially with the one of you know, you just you, we're more able to search those out. Yeah, you're playing one of counter game, one of Great Catcher, right.Yeah, it also, you know, like you can also get supporters toset up for like the next turn, like Yep, sure, just likegood. I don't know. Sure. I mean it's a little more conditional, right, because you have to have something and knocked out, and likeyou're presuming that the ATP is the first thing to get knocked out, soyou're already halfway through the game at that point. But you know, itis just that that specifics specificity is very, very strong. So I guess likepart of my logic there as well. It's like if stuff's not getting knockedout, then you're in a place like you're probably feeling okay, andlike you don't need to get like specific cards out of your deck at thatmoment. You can just afford to like Cynthia and Kaitlyn or lily or orCynthia or whatever. Sure, the real magnet on says. Do you wishStage two decks could make a come back in a later matter? Absolutely.I've been playing a lot of my cube with my wife, my heart gooldsoul silver cube, and a lot of those cards revolve around Stage two.So we've been having a lot of fun playing rare thing. I kind offorget what it's like to play where candy in this current Meta, but Ido wish they would make a come back. Yes and no, I hate yourcandy. It just like it feels really bad after a lie on it. But I do like evolution dex in general, like even just circumventing stageto you, like stage one DEX also kind of died and I just thinklike evolution is part of Pokemon, like as the franchise, and so Ilike it when evolution decks are a thing. Sure, absolutely cool. Well,I want to take this time, Riley, to shout out our twitter. We should maybe get that as a banner, a rotating banner, butwe have started a tag team podcast twitter account where we're going to be posting, you know, presumably just more often, more interesting topics. We would loveit, if you're listening now or if you're listening later, if youwould go and like that on the context...

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