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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 1, Episode 10 · 2 years ago

9. The Birds and the Squids

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Sorry, pretty cool. Hey,what what is up? Tag teamers? We are back. I'm JW CurryWall. This is Riley Albert, and let's get right down to it.Riley, most important question. How are you a authentic pizza? And it'sbeen exhausting, though, I will say. Yeah, yeah, for sure,for sure. I mean Chicago is just overwhelming, I feel like,with the size, or unless you're talking about your work, which has beenexhausting. The work has been exhausting, but Chicago is also overwhelming. Iwill say my uber driver got very lost this morning. Yeah, trying toget me to work. He thought even more than Google maps, but Ithink he knew actually less than Google maps. I I had one guy one time. I was trying to get to the airport. I left a littlebit later than I normally do and I'm, you know, it's like five inthe morning or something, and this guy I'm talking to him just reallybriefly and it's like yeah, man, I don't you know, this isthe end of my ten hour shift. Like he's about working like all morningand all last night and he's like very clearly tired and he's driving me aroundand I'm like, you know, noticing that we're kind of going, youknow, right and left, right and laugh, like on all these weirdside streets. I plaw my phone and, you know, have directions. I'mlike hey, you know, hey, man, watch out here, takea take a right, that'll be the fastest way. And he liketakes a left there and I'm like, okay, do you want me tojust direct you now, because you seem to not know what you're doing?Yeah, we ended up getting to the airport like fifteen minutes later than wewanted, so good. Yeah, right. Oh, thank you so much,Natalie, for that subscription. Five whole months insane. Thank you forthat subscription, Natalie, and welcome tricky Jimmers the rest of Tricky Jim.Thank you so much, Andrew, for that raid with eighty nine viewers.Awesome, guys. Welcome to the chat. I'm JW creewall. This is RileyHalbert. We were just talking about Riley's, you know, for ain Chicago. I was just in Minneapolis myself for an audition. Didn't endup winning, but we had a good time checking out the mall of America, which you were talking about Chicago being overwhelming. The mall of America isjust so stupid, like it's crazy big. I got lost. I turned acorner, I got lost. There's a Freakin, you know, rollercoaster in the middle of the mall, like, what is going on?It's just such America. Seems like really bizarre like alternate reality where that happens. Right. I wasn't sure if I was seeing people or for I wasseeing robots or Mirage's, like it was just everything was just so strange.Yeah, funny. So, in any case, let's get right down toa riley. What are you feeling coming out of this last weekend? Howare you feeling about the current standard format? What are you liking, what areyou not liking, and talk a little bit about kind of the topdecks from this last weekend. Yeah, so this weekend it was very interesting. I will say that. For sure, we saw the gang was on GuarTina Guard Hump Malamar, which was not really on our radars. Imean it's Malamar at the end of the day, and performed exactly as wecontinue to say, well, where it'll be good enough to get a topeight or a top four, and it got both and then it proceeded to, you know, cease and that's that's how thinking rumbles with that deck.But I think the most interesting part of the weekend wasn't the most popular deck. It wasn't the gang playing Malamar,...

...it was the final two decks inthe room, one of which actually you, you were a fan of heading intothis weekend and I was not, and frankly, I still don't reallyquite get how it happened, how I like got there. But nevertheless itLucario me metal versus Your Tina Car Chumps Vegas was the finals, which justseems like a like a joke. On paper, it seems like, notthat it would not think these are bad decks, but just like if youwere to tell me that, I would be like, what about? Yeah, yeah, of course, of course, like I think it would be.It would be funny to say, you know, to if you hada line, a betting line in Las Vegas and you had these two decksin the finals. I think that would be, you know, such asuch a bad guess, you know, heading into the event, but itwould be very badly uninformed to guess right. Well, half of it, Ishould say. You know, becauuse, obviously, La Carlo Mell metal,like we knew that I knew that now. I said that would bea really good play, but even so it wasn't the welder version that Iwas kind of running. It was a more Oh, we lost you,Riley. It was a more it's a camera, just the camera, andmaybe it's time for a new laptop. Huh, it's just my it's justthe work laptop. I don't control it came. Oh, I got you, I got you, but in any case, yeah, very interesting tosee this Guar Chop deck resurface, especially considering I hadn't seen a list forthat, you know, because obviously Gustavo ran that in Latin America. Ihadn't seen a list between then and now. So very interesting to see it makethe finals and piloted very successfully by a few other players. Yeah,and what's interesting to me is that, you know, there wasn't just staytone of this weekend right. There's a lot of stuff that was actually goingon this weekend. We had the sing before special event and we had eitherthe regional or special event, I forget which it was in in Australia,and so those panned out a little more according expectation. I think mewtwo wonboth of them. But there was like spattering still of GG and in bothtournaments. So it's it's kind of come out of the woodwork as this reallystrong off Meta deck, you know, and obviously Gustavo saw a great successwith it in the first weekend of the format. But Gustavo's notoriously tight liftabout his decks and doesn't really share them online. It's kind of hard tocome down. So very interesting to see it. This archetype is caught onmore and more, even without Gustavo's list being like a publicly available item.Sure, yeah, absolutely, but the word of mouth right and obviously he'sconnected with players and saying, you know, clearly this was a good play forhim, surely I'll be a good play for others. And it endedup working out for justine. So congratulations to Justin Buccari on that, youknow, very stellar finish. I would have loved to see a stream game, you know, of that deck, you know, from almost any pointin the tournament. Unfortunately we didn't get that, but still congratulations to him. Really, really well done. Were you interested in the results from Australia, because they also had an event this last this weekend, and it wasmostly dominated by Mewtwo. I think there were somewhere between four and six mewtwodecks and top eight. Yeah, I don't remember how many was, butI do remember it was high amount. And in Singapore and Australiam you twoended up winning both of those events. I mean, I did find itinteresting the events were a little smaller. I don't think they even had dayto Swiss. I don't even think one or both of them didn't even havenine round Swiss. It was like eight round to cut sure kind of thing. So you know that. I don't...

...want to say it's like inherently bador unrepresentative, but it makes it its a smaller sample size, you know, of games that get played and what goes into that. So sure,so there's still that aspect of it. But I mean you two is justa strong deck. It's going to continue to be strong for the foreseeable future, at least in the cosmic or close format. So it doesn't surprise meat all that it did well. I mean you too has consistently been adeck that I personally found to be a top choice that I would take tournaments. So yeah, I mean it doesn't surprise me at all. It's I'malmost surprised by how dominant it was, more than anything, not because Idon't think we choose good but just because I think a good deck in thisformat is not as dominant as it has some other formats. Like sure,even if you two is, even if you too is like definitively the bestdeck, is not so much better than everything else that I like completely bodieseverything and like auto wins any tournament. Right, right. But I justthought it was interesting to see the differences between the two Meta Games in thatYoutube really didn't have too strong of a presence here in America and yet andAustralia just went buck wild and, you know, took took that whole eventvery handily. I'm just curious to your thoughts on like what the difference inthe metagame might have been. To allow a deck like new two to flourishin one metagame and you know, kind of get destroyed, I guess,or or maybe not be the best play in the American Meta game. Yeah, I'm not entirely sure what what would have caused it. I would needto take a closer look at them, at a breakdowns, but I thinkthere's a couple things at least that come to mind. I know ATP wasvery, very popular in both Australia and Singapore and I'm sure it's popular inthe US as well. But I think much disability to do three hundred theturn atpgx has is just really, really strong and and can kind of keepATP out of the game. Sure, even you know, they can obviouslyuse CALDEO's and and I they you know, Grenninja into Keldeo isn't like fantastic.It kind of more or less even like to a Ko kind of warthing. But if you're doing that after one hit kohing their ATP and removingtheir acceleration, that's like a different story. You know, you can afford tobe slower and like misturns here and there not have to heal every turnbecause they still have to attach right at their are it up right. SoI think that's a big part of it. Was the popular of ATP and alsojust the popularity mew to right. So you know ATP and mutual themost popular decks. MEWTWO's can eat up those atps, especially if the betterplayers are playing you too and banished just meatwo's left and they just continue toknock each other out. Sure, absolutely, well said, well said. We'refor you too, though, like yeah, you know, the TeenaChump, Malamar, I think. Actually probably as a decent shot against meto especially they're playing the Faba now, which can remove not only stuff likechaotics well or Skypillar, but I can remove the weakness card energy. Youcan swing to sixty in a turn if you're not playing Gergi DX. Sure, no, exactly. I think overall, the the Meta game in America,I seem to be less friendly to you too than it was in theother formats as well. Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Were there any surprised decksfrom the weekend that you maybe weren't expecting? We have somebody in the in thechat that is talking about Persian Roxy Checkmate. I'm not sure if you'velooked into that deck at all, but where there anything it? was thereanything that you kind of didn't expect to see or maybe came out of leftfield from the from the weekend? Yeah, I heard about a Persian checkmate deckgoing into the weekend. I didn't really to give it any credence andI don't really think it truly proved itself to deserve it yet. Obviously itdid get some top sixteen scattering, but...

...yeah, when the list was postedto look kind of underwhelming to me and I'm sure obviously there's ways to forgelike winds out of it, but I don't see like a great reason toplay it. And I really really didn't like Zander's checkmate back back in theday, so that kind of day being like too earlier season. Yeah,I really didn't like that deck. The checkmates strategy just seems so much lesssolid without Zark. It seems like you got to trying to emulate that.That like sensation, sure, moll as, opposed to like actually building like theprocess, and less we could. Yeah, I mean, if it'sreally comes down to surprise, is the most surprising thing to me, Ithink, was that other people besides you were playing Lucario. I was saying, man, it's just it seems like it should be good, and itended up taking, you know, second place in San Diego. Yeah,and I think there was a more like stall focused. Yeah, well,in Singapore, I think. Sure. Sure, yeah, and it wasjust it was cool to see a different take on it. As far asI know from from that second place list, I they didn't play welder and insteadopting for just, you know, manually attaching. But it worked outreally well. I think the deck was strong with or without welder and Ithink in a slower format to like if you think ATP is going to bebig, then you can afford to have those like two manual attachments via inyour Lucario Mel Metal. So very, very interesting deck there for sure.How do you think this like shifts? It's very curious because I thought that, you know, Baby Bill Cephalon might have been a good deck heading intothe weekend. Obviously there wasn't a lot of that. There wasn't a lotof fire decks in general. What's your take on, at least in theAmerican metagame, what's your take on fire decks, welder based decks? Theyused to be the best decks. You know, everyone was complaining about well, there's broken, well there's too good, and now it's hard to find thosewelder based decks in the top table. Certainly didn't see a lot of firebox, as it were. Yeah, man, where the where the hatersnow crying out for a wilder van? I don't understand. I mean,realistically, to me, baby blounds seems really good in the point inthe format where stall was relatively nonexistent. Yeah, and you could just takeout tag team decks. I mean it's still fulfills that purpose pretty well,sure, but it's suffered a lot just both stall and Malamar becoming more popularover time. Sure, and that's just really rough and there's not really alot that baby blounds as a deck can do about that. And I thinkit's just kind of forced out of the metagame by Malamar especially becoming more popular. You know, stall will never be that popular just inherently, but Malamar. People love that deck, they do, and that that does take a prettygood matchup the baby. It's pretty hard and just by pointing it otherwelder decks, I mean you too, just seems kind of like the bestway to play a gx welder deck, right. Yeah, why would Iever play abilities are when I could blame you to for the most part,for the most part, you know, if there are situations maybe where abilitiesare is better, but you two is addicted. I enjoy more, hasmore options at any given moment and just generally has a higher like I'll playpotential or sure if ability sure grow. I just are you playing the otherwell, deck. Sure, and and going off of that, Riley,which version do you think you would play for me? You too, wouldyou opt more for the tag call engine? Maybe just a more turbo version,if you were to play me to this weekend? What? What versionwould you play? I think at this point the tag call engine is solidifieditself. Was the way that you play...

...me too. In this format.It's definitely getting the most results consistently and you know, you could, youcould argue there's different, different ways about it, but I don't know,I guess I could see it going either way. Sure, and it dependslot on the Meta, but tag calls I've got the results to back itup, more so than the other version. Sure, and I think it providesa lot of a lot of stability in that you are able to playMalowan Lana, which is just a huge card from you, to being ableto keep those energies and play, being able to keep that beefy boy aliveas long as you possibly can, as a huge, huge strength that thestraightforward version doesn't, you know, doesn't have, and I think that issomething that I look to as being one of the main reasons that the taghall engine is maybe a little bit more well positioned, especially considering that thisformat relies pretty heavily on to hit Kos. So very interesting there. What doyou think about it? Don't yet. Go ahead call and I'm interested ifyou kind of feel the same is. It doesn't have like this. Itis a lot harder a time using the cargo. So getting the followup one hit Ko is served this simple. Sure, a tag all and Iknow you've played some tag call it. You have are issues with like gettingthat last file knockout. I mean some some people don't even play thecargo at all. Yeah, I mean there's always going to be issues.Just generally speaking, I often find that the my mad cargo is still usefulbut is not always the route. You know, a lot of times you'llhave ways to like snipe with Naganadel to finish the game if you can just, you know, get it to denny or something like that. You know, I never find that it's I never find that the mat cargo is thereason that I lose the game often when I'm playing the tag call version.But right you just lose the game for other reason. Yeah, I losethe game for other reasons exactly. Yeah, but you know how it is,though you can always kind of like play around that, right. So, like maybe if you don't have access to the MAT cargo because you hadto attach too many special energy to your active then you can, you know, keep that thing alive while you like turbo strike onto a bench one andstart building that up with basic energies. So, like, maybe you don'thave it that turn, but maybe in one or two turns you're able tobuild up on the bench the attacker that can take that big last one shotknockout with MAG cargo. So I always find that that works. Sure,at least from you know, from my testing with that deck, hasn't reallybeen too much of an issue. How do you feel that stall is positionedin this format? I feel like stall is kind of on the down trendamongst top players, but I still feel that it has a lot of strengthsand so I'm curious as what you feel are, you know, are thereasons that people aren't playing stall and maybe why it could be a good play. I don't really think stall had an inherent reason to like have that downturn, like ATP can be tough off, especially for for the dolls versions.Sure you still have piggy versions, which are pretty decent against ATP because they'renot really playing ends resolve, so there's not really a way to surprise themwith an amount of energy on the board. Sure, and piggies all about thatfor sure. And it takes a lot of other good matchups, likeeven dolls, like with besides, ATP has a lot of really good matchupsand I'm sure you could easily see that in the finals. So I don'treally see a reason why it would be bad, I guess. I guessI'm a star. It's pretty hard sometimess if you're not playing the Cell Beythat we talked about last week, yes,...

...the busted filthy cellaby, the brokencell beys. So, yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I I think people just like prefer not to play stall and maybe itwas like a rough choice going into date in or not into day town,into San Diego, especially because it did so well consistently in in Daytona.It's pretty rough to as a stall player. Yeah, or Sony's plays stall atleast a couple times. Personally, I always find it really hard tojustify playing it twice in a row. Sure, yeah, absolutely. Soyou think kind of people were scared off it. They were thinking, well, maybe other players are going to play heavier stall counters, and so thatmeans, you know, if they play like to crag and all in theirATP, like that'd be pretty bad for me as a dolls player, youknow. Is that kind of the the thinking? Or they can play endsresolve in ATP. That's another like example that just immediately comes to mind.Yeah, there's just like there's not a good way about playing stall twice.Like you can't really anticipate how people were react to seeing stall do well.Sure, and you for the most part, usually people won't respect it that much, even immediately after. But you'd hate to roll that dice and bewrong when you could just play like a consistent, more attacking focus deck,sure, and Save Your stall enjoyment for another time. Yeah. Yeah,it's funny, though, because it does kind of remind me like of justexpanded where okay, night March does really well, so then the next regionaleveryone puts an Ora choio or Karen in, but then nobody plays night march becausethey're all thinking that everyone will, you know, metagame against it,you know. So I don't know, just just very interesting, although Ithink people act like more actively respond to night march. Sure, whatever reason. Sure, and maybe it's just like the level of hate that people havefor night march is very strong, or they just respect night march more asa deck than they do stall. But I'll logic as a whole, Ithink still still holds and I think that's a good comparison. Sure, absolutely. All right. Well, what would be your top three decks heading intothis weekend, considering the metagame from this last weekend? I guess across bothcontinents, but I you know, mainly focusing in America, where we sawthe Carrio Mel Metal, we saw this weird, you know, Garton Guiarotinadeck finally win, you know, get out of the top eight, thatit hadn't Latin America. You have ATP, obviously still a strong contender here.What are your kind of top three decks going into the weekend? Let'ssay you have a cup or something coming up. Um, I think itwould probably be probably kind of the things that already alluded to. Sure,I think stalls pretty good. I actually just got a bunch of doll stuffin the mail and I like kind of want to use it which maybe that'sjust like some kind of evil seed inside of me is sprouting this song.I really want to ruin people's days at a cup. But besides that,I also really think you two is very good. It's always a deck thatI have my radar. I just love the decks so much. I havea lot of fun playing it and I'm like, I message you about thisactually, that I kind of want to just run the car, but Idon't know, maybe I maybe I should have some more CP before I decidedto run the car. Well, yeah, you always kind of worry with Lucariothat, like, you know, there's just going to be there's justgoing to be, you know, the dead hand, or there's going tobe like that one bad matchup you know that you hit. If you ifyou plan on taking that one, you know, weird, kind of offthe wall deck, you're just you know, you're going to hit that weird matchup in the local metagame. It's just guarantee. Yeah, I haven'tit's just guaranteed. Dude. You're in Ohio, you're going to hit theweird matchup. Are you sure? The...

...like the fire deck with Faba sothat they can get rid of your frying Pan and one shot you. Thatwould suck. That would definitely say. Yeah, I wouldn't want to hitthat. I will say they play like the one of what is it likethe dark drill or dangerous grill? Now that would be busted. They playlike an Oh, one line of dark deck on and a dangerous dribble.Then be insane. I almost wouldn't be mad if I lost something like that. Yeah, yeah, it reminds me of the cup that I played arethe yeah, it was a cup I played against Kevin Baxter and he wasplaying Malamar and I was playing mutune. I'm like, all right, Igot this, you know, I just get my weakness card energy at Tagitturn one to my mutwo and like I'm set to go, and he dropsthis. I think it's a Guarantina, promified night ther Tina. Yeah,any like bopped off the special energy and then just one shot me and itwas the just the craziest thing and I was a little salty. But then, like after I got over this salt, I was like you know what,you got me, you know you your one fair and square, likecongratulations. Were coming up with that, with that one tech to be thatone very specific matchup very far with you still sound a little salty. Hey, now, hey, now, hey, now, you know. What aboutUGW? What would your top to you look like? I really likePiggiota right now. That's been a deck that I've been testing a lot onthe ladder. I think it's just really well poised because if there's a lotof ATP then it obviously feasts on that. I think mew two is kind ofan iffy matchup, but I I feel like in America me two maybeisn't as like I don't see it as much on the ladder. Obviously theresults from San Diego this weekend wouldn't indicate to me that mew two is stilla top choice for the top players. And then I think it takes adecent Malamar matchup. Actually I've been finding that the Malamar matchup is pretty youknow, it's pretty decent. It's pretty deep. You can you can dosome things, you can work your way out of situation. So, giventhat met is kind of on the decline, which you're really only worried about thattwenty damage counter across division, if me two is on the decline inthe local metagame, I mean I would love to play Pidgy. I likeme too, like you're saying. I just think it's a good deck,kind of a comfort pick. And then beyond that, yeah, I don'tknow, Guardian, maybe Guardian seems fine. You know, Lacaro, Mel Metal, those kind of feel like two sides of the same coin, dependingon where area. What's that? They are like kind of similar in theirend game function. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Those those feel very similarto me. So I like those decks a lot and we'll see what Iend up playing this weekend. Yeah, a lot of interesting choices. They'reon the table. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Well, I think that'sa pretty like solid overview. I mean not too much has really been exposedfrom this last weekend. I mean we've really gone through the metagame over theselast few weeks and I almost feel like it's been beaten to a pulp.I don't know about you, but I'm ready to move on to, youknow, a new set or you know, midseason rotation. That that won't happen, but and this is only been out for like four weeks, Iknow, but I'm kind of ready for something new. You Feeling? Ithink it's cold. We had like this long string of like standard events overand over and over again. It's like people putting so much time and effortinto this set in such a short period of time. Yeah, that couldbe it for sure. It's like, Oh, hold on. Well,one thing that I do know for sure is that expanded is going to bereally great and I think we're going to...

...turn our focus here in the nextfew weeks just more shifting towards expanded and what we have the bring for Dallas, what we think is going to be good, because there isn't that muchcontent out right now for expanded. It's been very curious. I haven't reallyseen a lot of people posting lists about expanded or posting ideas about expanded.It feels really dry. There's a lot of things that maintain their strength intothe expanded format, but certainly a lot of things that get neutered by thebands and things like that. So we'll do more dive, deep diving intothat later, but I would like to open up the floor now to anyviewer questions that you guys have. We on one here from Epper Rusa TVsaying lily or Cynthia and ATP and we had kind of discussed this. Iremember last week we didn't really like lily that much and figured that Cynthia wouldprobably be the preferred supporter of choice. As your opinion changed at all?It really hasn't, and even the more I think about it, I justlike Cynthia more and more as an option. Well, wasn't a huge fan ofLily, and our group chats also, as we like talked about it likeover text, weren't about this lily either. So yeah, I meanI'm planting my feet and I think I like Cynthia better. Yeah, howabout it. Let's see. What are your general thoughts on how expanded isgoing to shake out? Rather, do you have any initial thoughts? Imean, it's definitely going to look a lot different. I think there's goingto be some things that carry over pretty well. The turbo dark deck doesn'tlose anything and it kind of stays a little similar. Our level can justblow anything up. I think the biggest thing that's going to come onto thescene is these ATP focused decks, which will have this kind of weird effectof people actually play Ranger and get value out of it sup for the firsttime and years. So because, like these ATPDX, they can either playit with like a turbo dark dragons kind of thing and just wipe things offthe board, which seems pretty good, or they can play it with thebaby Eltron, acrasma and is gx and go one hundred seventy or like twohundred, two hundred, two hundred rather yeah, and take multiple prizes,like three prizes on a Shamin with a one prize attacker. Seems pretty goodto me. Not gonna lie. Seems pretty good. So yeah, Ithink ranger will be appeering in people's deck boxes. Sure, I think.I think ranger. Yeah, ranger and Faba seemed like the two cards kindof a look out for and expanded right now, or at least the twolike tech supporters to look out for an expanded it might be a Dallas mightbe the first regional where people play ranger in their deck and then play itin games. Yeah, and actually use it, right, and that willnot actually use it like need to use it, like are forced to useit, or else the game ends extremely quickly. I mean just just thethought of the game ending in three turns via a one prize attacker is very, very scary and I think a lot of people will respect it a lot. You know, going into expanded I think dark turbo dark stays extremely good. I was doing some testing with that. I am very sure that there issome kind of stall deck that is helped by the pokey dolls and,among other cards from from cosmic eclipse, and then I feel like Mewtwo isjust on the rise because of the bands makes that deck a little bit moreviable. So those are kind of the things that I'm looking at for expandedright now. We have another question here. Ninja dusk says, does pidgey haveany way to beat Zebra now, and I think it does. Assomebody that's put a lot of a lot of games into Pidgey, I haven'tlost to a deck that plays Zebra.

I just feel like the below,but Bryson man can actually just disrupt and accelerate the game state so fast tothe point that Zebra is almost more of a hindrance than a help. Yeah, and I think what's important to note to is the deck has to beable to get value out of Zebra against piggy. Like drawing for cards isgreat. From a zere part hand, that's obviously fantastic, but what areyou doing with those part cards like, for example, if you're playing ATPand you have a zero energy ATP active and you don't have an energy inyour bench because I got hammered away, what do you what is the fourcards help with like that? Four cards can't do anything for you. Yearsgoing to attach the one energy that you draw maybe, and Essentially Milli yourselfthree cards and attached energy right, right, right, and I found. Ifound that the zebra like you never want to use it early because yourhand is generally big, and then late in the game, you know you'vealready been milled a few times with the below Bo Bryson man and it's notreally that good because you put yourself in that danger zone. The Zebra,I don't know, it's just a little bit more interesting now that Bela BaBrice man as a card and I don't know that there's a deck other thanmaybe fire. Right, I was a gay de can utilize yeah, thatcan utilize the zebra by AARS like. Then only deport make sense to me, and that's because you can just keep sprinting and using victiny. Yes,you know, yes, if even if your deck is all fires, youcan just like sprint gust, victiny, recycle, all that. Yeah,right, right. It has that refresh, that inherent refresh, that no otherdeck really has outside of, I guess, things that play a angerythemselves. But very, very good point there. I think Zebra and almostany other deck right now isn't a surefire way to be pitchy. Let's see, surely we have another. Oh, here we go, red laber,reckless asks. Are there any potential dark horse decks that you think might dowell in the upcoming tournaments? Dark Horse? I mean I think at this pointthe biggest dark horse that we were looking for were the finalists in SanDiego. Yeah, I don't know how much further down the rabbit hole wecan go. That being said, there are some kind of interesting rogue decksthat I think are out there. The nozzle deck is actually kind of good, especially against ATP. I think that that's pretty good, because ATP hasto sacrifice those turns and leave the multi price pokemon active. Yeah, so, and against all those like Greensy type decks as well. Stuff like thenozzle deck is very good because they're just spending time like even a like actuallyATP s Finn at the the match I I really wanted to hit on there. But like Guardian, sure, and stuff like the geart New Guardian Deck, like what do they do? You know, they're spending multiple turns likebuilding up this stuff and you're just like, you know, snugly generator and weDenerat. Yeah, right, absolutely, absolutely. You know, thin thedeck, get your guys out, get your guys powered up. Youhave that luxury to be Star snatis going to play, you know in reallife, because you're just like emulgating and then your deck ridiculous amount and thenthink all your energy out and all you have is like good cards in yourdeck. Yeah, so busted the filthy deck. I I have a sneakingsuspicion that that's the deck that Andrews going to play this weekend. He hasn'tsaid that he will or not. I'm just I'm guessing. I'm guessing hehas, like he has what like fifty games with it on his stream.The Guy has played that deck. He's perfected that deck. I love itand and now with the addition of the rush Ram Zek Ron, that's huge. Now you can one shot things at...

...the end of the game. That'sso bust. That is a fun addition, for sure. It's clever too.Yeah, yeah, I I like the nozzle deck to I think thatone's really fun. There's some I've seen some lists out there with be drill. I don't really like be drill. I mean it kind of games stuffwith Rosa. Right, being able to chain the be drills is a littlebit easier now with Rosa, but still doesn't excite me as a deck choice, just because I never feel like knocking yourself out is ever a good strategy. Right, it's not the best, you know, but yeah, sothere has been some talk about be drill. I probably wouldn't put too much stockinto that, considering Malamar is still a very good play and you haveno real strategy against Malamar. But yeah, very, very cool. All right. Any other any other things you want to hit on here? Riley? You know, I don't think there's too much we can say that wehaven't already said at this point, because the guard, the cosmic clip standard. I I do think this last week when was pretty fun and interesting tofollow along. I wish it was streamed, yea, so I could have seensome of that stuff happening in real time. Yeah, but it wasstill really cool to watch that unfold. I'm excited to see any rogue bruisethat either Andrew Or, you know, anyone in the stream or a crosslead cups comes up with and and brings this format. And I'm definitely excitedas well to dig my heels a little bit into expanded and mess around withPokemon Ranger and yes, and also dragon decks and stuff like that. Well, Riley, we got to get we got to get our heads together andstart coming up with some lists, because, I mean we always say like Oh, we're going to prepare, you know, months in advance, andwell, that that month is here. We're down to the last month beforeDallas and the holidays are coming up. It's going to be a busy timewith traveling and hanging out with family and things like that. So I wantto get a jump on that expanded Meta game and I think it's really kindof been done a disservice with the lack of coverage that expanded has gotten.It'll be interesting to see what happens in Dallas, for sure, man,for sure, especially when we win and get second place. Well, right, okay, yeah, we just have to decide who's going to win andwho's going to get sick and we will be decided me because, like Dallas, is kind of my thing. So, yeah, I just feel like,you know, it'd be really cool for me if I was a threepeach champion, but we could also both be two piece. Yeah, Ijust feel like I don't want one mind. I don't want you on my level, one of yours. I don't go you on my level. Youknow, I feel like I just want to maintain in our friend group that, you know, just the spiry superiority. I'm just saying, like your firstone, like and your second one together basically equate to my ones.So are you talking about a number of people? I think yours had ahigher scrub too, good player ratio than mine. I'm just saying, likemine wasn't more more relevant, interesting accomplishment? Okay, all right, I hadlonger, more impactful Meta reach. Geez, well, that might bea discussion for another time. That might be a discussion for you know,in person with our fists, with our fisticuffs. Yeah, absolutely, sovery cool. Riley, thank you so much for joining us again. Iknow it's a little bit out of your way coming out of a hard day'swork, so thank you so much for being here with us. I'm goingto transition into my pokemon after dark stream and guys, thank you for stickingaround. Don't go anywhere. I'm just gonna, you know, cut toblack, put on some sunglasses and we're going to get this after dark stream. Roland, thank you, guys,...

...so much for being here, forjoining us for tag team. I'm JW. This is Riley Hulbert, and wewill see you guys next week. See Everyone. Base.

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