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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 4, Episode 1 · 1 month ago

4-1. A New New New Beginning

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back back back for another round of Tag Team, this time in Season 4! Just because the cards are rotating doesn't mean your favorite duo is going anywhere. Come listen into how the Full Grip double header went and the future of standard and GLC.

...o what is up guys looking back to tagteam, the poke my trading card games for me or podcasting Joe? My name isRali Hubert joined, as always, I'm a good good friend, MR J W crewall in ourfourth season of tag team. We've made it a long long way since we firststarted and thank you all so much for being a part of the journey with us,whether you're a first time listener or a date wanter, absolutely yeah. I can't believe itseason for yeah. That's a lot of Tan. That is a lot of season. This feels, asthe most shows get on the air that that's true, although nobody's nobody'spaying us, and they will so but no nobody's paying us to be here and we'regetting the the payment of a job well done. Yeah, pat on the back and theknowledge that we are an integral part of most people's Thursday morningafternoon, like the commuters shot out to the people that arelistening to right now in their car, a yew, the real MPs. So gw has yourweek going so far. That's going pretty good got to touch. Some cards got tosee some friends love those things. Yeah I mean that wasman. I was looking so forward to that and now I'm addicted for I caught thebug again, I no like I'm challenging people. The G L C matches in AndrewsDiscord and like I'm like just playing poke just to you,know, play on the ladder and stuff like it's bad, dude wow. You know you're indeep when you're playing the ladder now the latter's fun ladders on but butyeah I tend to, I tend to you know, do tournaments is my only way of liketesting or you know I'll play my decks for theyoutubes and stuff, but yeah man, I'm just I'm in it Bro. I like want to playall the time. I'm with you, man, I'm with you Pokemon, but on is fun whenyou get into it. I feel like it's. It's been a little challenging to get thatsame spark with the the lack of in person events, but you know things likethe the full grip. I Guess T K double hitter in a way. It was a great way tokind of like reignite that for people it seems, like you know, based onplayer interviews and things like that during the event that that was definitely something that had apositive impact on a lot of the people there yeah. No doubt everyone seemedvery happy, although I couldn't see their facial expression on their fullfacial expression. You C N see the brows. You can see the brows yeah yeah.I think the on the side of the eye, oh for sure, but it was, it was great yeah.It was great. People seem to really enjoy it and I think they got somereally good feedback from you know. The stream obviously entered it, a reallynice job and then from just the people attending the event, the judges. Youknow we have, I think, in Ohio, some of the best judges that you can find soHulan and Jimmy and Aj all did fantastic job and made the event runreal smooth. So that was really nice, yeah and yeah. Just people had a goodtime there weren't any real snafus in terms of game play. You know, mistakesor or cheating, or anything like that. So I think it was an overall fantasticweekend for pokemon. That's great man, that's great so for the uninformed orpeople who haven't been listening or necessarily following the cast. Ju didend up going down to the full grip, double head or one K, and so on day one.There was a nek tournament in post rotation format that being the swordand shield through evolving skies and w finished in the top for there losen toas Egeria Griego and on day to there...

...was a one K in the gum leader,challenge format check out: Tiler Challenge Com. If you want to learnmore about that and J W placed in the finals, he got second place there. Yes,yes, I said going into the tournament that I wanted to win both Saturday and son win and I didn't yeahnow and I didn't win either. So I really just I failed miserably so outside of your what I would callgood performance. You know what was the highlight of the weekend Um, it would probably be yeah, I meanjust aside from playing cards and like seeing friends and stuff, because it isa lot of fun. You know we got to see chip and Sol and grant and and Caleb- and you know, Dakas you knowis always good good to see him and Natalie, and you know all the full gripsquad is just everybody. You know that I hadn't seen in a while, so that wasreally fun. I in terms of the game play, I just had a great time both days. I don't know man like likeit was just so good to play again and so standard format, post rotation, Ifeel like isn't a decent spot, not a fantastic spot. I wouldn't say it's aparticularly memorable format. I've been playing for ten years now so, likeyou know, there's some there's some formats that stick out to me as beingparticularly skill based or particularly fun. This one fallssomewhere in the middle, it's not particularly terrible, but it doesn'tjump out as being oh. Yes, this is a format that I want to. You knowremember forever, it's good! It's good, though, and I really like the skill ofthe Antillean lines and I really like the skill of the Er Shafou, and I likethe skill that I do believe that there's still some skill and deckbuilding that can be had at in post rotation, even though deck look verysimilar with for Quick Ball for research for morningof inevitable, every rotation right like we lost a chunk of cards, so thebest one yeah or what fill the decks yeah for sure for sure, and then thegls was just so fun. I had a really great time with that format I felt likeI had the best deck in the room which was close to being true. There is onechange I would make to the g LCD yeah that I played, but but overall just afantastic, fantastic weekend for cards. That's awesome, man, I'm glad you gotto have that experience yeah! Thank you! Thank you and I'm glad it was all youknow seemed as safe as we could be in a pandemic. I suspect that if full gripdoes this again, which I heard some rumblings that they would do, I think Iwould hope that, just with kind of cases on the rise, I think I would hopethat they require being vaccinated. I don't know of anyone that wasn'tvaccinated. That was there. I will just like clarify that, but I do kind offeel like during you know. Yeah there may be. Is that one little extra stepof protection? You know it was. It was completely finein terms of I don't know the dispensing and people being you know in thatproximity and people wearing masks is all good like that, but I suspect inthe future. There might be something like that I implemented, were they tohold another tournament in the future. For sure for sure you know, I actuallymy primary care doctor on their APP. I get a little Qr Code. Now that showsthat are accint, which is super cool yeah, that's pretty cool yeah, you justscan it and it has like the proof right there, cool that's awesome. Muinyi wasneat. I learned about it at work, actually because it was something doneby epic and yeah and it's like Oh cool, so down to the AP, and it was rightthere very cool yeah, I'm with you, though, I think you know, as things for ampo vaccinesare going to get more...

...more prevalent more in the limelight. Ithink one of the major barriers to organize play returning in full force,in my opinion, is vaccines being rolled out to like theyounger folks right, like there's. No real vaccine availability for people inthat, like under sixteen age group ritually the younger you get, and Ikind of am hesitant to say that the organized player will return in fullforce until there is yeah, and that might be a part of the reason.Certainly a big part of the reason that Pokemon hasn't said like yes go aheadand continue on my play, because we know that magic has. But of course,magic is catering to an older audience that right, maybe it's a little moreable to make those difficult decisions on their health or those importantdecisions on their health, so yeah. Certainly that would be. Thatwould be a difficult question to answer in terms of vaccines for for the underunder age. Speaking of t e, the children for a second here you'dmentioned that you're playing for ten years. Does it feel weird, like by thetime organized play, returns you'll be like older in terms of your gameplayexperience, then all of the junior division has been alive yeah. That isvery weird, and it was really unusual to to interact with a lot of playersthat had either started just before pandemic or started in the pandemic. Ideftly bizarre. I talked to a handful of players that this full gruptournament was their first in person, tournament yeah, and that is so coollike that is out, like I'm stoked about that, but it was pretty surreal. It'sit's crazy out there. Man I mean I can't imagine like starting to playcards during the pandemic. You know like online. Is Your only way to do it?You there's no way to buy physical cards because they're allbeing boughtup like for me a huge motivator. Is I liketo hold them? You know like yeah yeah me too me too for sure you know ever since I've beenhere since I watched you on a stream I've, just I've had just some of my olddecks that have just been sleeved up for since the start of the pandemic. Ijust go on them and stuff. Let's go it's so fun. You know you look at them,you hold them touch it's. I know it's great man, it's great! You get to slidethe energy under the car, physically, something it's and like yeah you putthe tool on. You can choose where you put the tool. Does it go up and down?Does it go off to the side? You know, there's a lot of different go stackyour. How do you stack your energy right yeah on that diagonal pace likethere's so many ways you can you know? How do you keep your board? Is it clean?Is it kind of messy? Are you just throwing cards all over the place likewhat's going on there yeah it's it's a good time for sure, and I feel likethat. Just like a good like meme video is like yeah. I've actually thoughtabout that yeah. I definitely yeah types of types of people and then it'sjust all the ways that I definitely have been thinking about that for likethe last week as like, because you got like your Shufflers, your hand,Shufflers, and then you got you like your what's the where they do it with the cards andthey go like they kind of like crimp the edges. It's like, except it's an see if I can get on acamera or it's like. Oh s like there discoid stuff yeah,where they like just do the edge yeah yeah, and then he had the people who, liketheir board, is very, very neat and they like pick up their discard pileand like very like swipe it out almost and then turn it right back to it. TrueTrue, I didn't see yeah, I didn't see any particularly neat players likeanyone. That's because I never know it.

I think I was a little sloppy right now.Well, I've been I've been playing a long time and there are like somepeople that I could just picture my brain and I know exactly how they keeptheir board and it's like Prestine, like you know, it looks like Petcoright where everything is exactly what I love there is. Is he not doing that?Well, I didn't play against Caleb, so I didn't really see any of his matches,but cale like the quite essential person who does that in my mind, yeahfor sure for sure. So that's funny. That is funny yeah well.What I was saying is, I think you o people e playing online for so longthat, just like their general, like not necessarily they're, doing things wrong,it's just their habits are a little sloppy. There were definitely playersthat shuffled their hand in on a Marni. Really, I feel like it was almost lessthan I expected yeah. It didn't happen on the stream atleast, which is good yeah. No, it was. It was a it with the trump card shop.True Yeah, I didn't watch that match, but apparently that was a pretty bigwhopsy. That's a vital one because he was like definitely going to win thatgame so funny. Sometimes you just feel likelosing I've. been there a well. Let's talk about the actualevents themselves. Let's start with with day one with the post rotationstandard format again that storan shield through evolving skies, talkabout you know what you played and then we can talk more about like the actualand results of the tournament sure. So let me pull up the actual round byround match up. I was very, I was in a very good position throughfour rounds and round one I had played a Ricusa and,Oh, I should say the deck that I was playing. So I was playing A. I wasplaying a Erchu v Max with maltres V, and I said in just like I said Yeah I said,and I actually played the deck a couple of times one you know one on stream and then anotherone against Andrew, like I was really trying to show off the deck they're allup on the Youtube, and I did a little bit of a deck profile on Youtube. Ifyou want to know a little bit more about the deck, because it's notparticularly popular actually, I saw a tournament an online tournament that I played in on Tuesday, andeveryone was running Ershad and nobody was running Ershi maltres, which itmade me feel a little bit sad, but that's okay. So the idea there is thatyou have the maltres that can one shot your shadow writers, but it can alsoprovide energy accelerations that you can go back to back g Max rapid flowswith your with your shove. So you can energy switch, manipulate energy prettywell with that deck, and so that was the idea there d it worked. It workedwell, I wouldn't say that it back to back j Max Rapid flow is anything thatyou really desire or necessarily need in this metagame in this post orationmedicine. But it's certainly a nice option to have sure so so we had round,one was ray Quaa and the rapid flows were awesome there. Youjust take out two flaffing and it really cripples them taking a sheep toslaughter for sure. Definitely round to. I played a shadow writer and that went, I don't know pretty pretty simple. Youjust get up Multas and make sure you have a multis on the bench with atleast one energy attached, and then you can really just you know you attackwith the first one and then as long as you have another one in reserve, thenyou should be able to take your two knockouts on the shadow writers. Ifthey get kind of funky and they go into the alchemy and they really get a goodalchemy start, then you can swing in with the with the Ershad and maybe even just doone hundred and fifty damage with the...

...you know base Erchu, but that one was pretty simple. I justwas able to. You know, run through with the with the maltres. So in that matchup, do you usually like try and get too multee with one energy each before yougo in? Is that kind of the idea you don't have to but yeah as soon as yougo in with that first multis, you want to have a backup with one on it rightso you're at least threatening the the next turn yeah. So is that is thatwhat you're saying like so you want to have when you start to attack withMultis, you want to have another maltrata, that's kind of a given rightbecause you're, if you're seen your multis is getting knocked out, then youcan't start charging one at that point, yeah right right. I guess yeah. So whatI'm curious about is like how quickly you start pawring up the second like.Do you bench to like right away and try and get one energy on both pretty muchimmediately or yeah that exactly? I will even sometimes justbench all three, because you don't necessarily like to have the Ershad.It's a nice option for you, but there are certainly times where just havingall three out on the field is going to be optimal for you, because yeah inthose early turns if the shadow writer gets like a reallyquick alchemy and they get enough energy and play, then they can startgusting up your multis if you're not ready enough like by that time. So you want to make sure that you havethree in the deck, so you can get around that strategy that they try toemploy. But yeah, like you, I, like you, saidgetting out to trying to get an energy on both before you go in with the bigswing, is where you ideally would like to be. Sometimes it doesn't work outquite like that, but that's that's where you want to be make sense. Sothen around three I played Averon, so I play Jr playing a Zash andthis was zosin with a couple of Zama Senta's. I didn't see the full deck,but it was kind of reminiscent of one that grant Manley was posting andplaying with, but grant had a bunch of Articulo so that he could discard metalenergies and get it back with the saucer I see and yeah, but jr wasplaying one that had the I thought this was really going to mess me up, but itactually didn't end up playing too big of a role, but he had the new MetalStadium that heals thirty from each of your metal, Pokemon Huh- and this wasthe yeah crystal cavern. Something like that. This was the matchup, where myback to back. Rapid flows was really really strong, because I was able tohit you know a bench of Austin with a rapid flow and then he healed thirtydamage, but he couldn't heal enough to prevent it from getting knocked out byanother rapid flow. He prized. He was telling me after thegame he prized one amazen a so I think his ideal strategy might have been togo. You know, doubles a Asente and then one Ashon to maybe draw some cards, andthat makes rapid flow a little less scary. But then you also have tocontend like that. Strategy might be a little bit better for an Erchant lionbuild, but it gets a little bit hairy win you factor in the maltres into thatequation. Being able to pretty simply, you know to shot your your Zanasana sotake a hit to, and you can take a head yeah, so a pretty tough match up forthem and I was able to walk away there after a shaky early game to to take thewin round. For I was Vere. I was like determined not to lose this one, so Iwas playing against frank and if you know Frank Persic, you knowthat he will go out of his way to play a spicy deck, although this time hisspicy deck was was somewhat. You know kind of well known somewhat like on the rise, I would say.Obviously it's a deck that hasn't been bled too much because it was justreleased in evolving skies, but he was playing the Sylvian deck and that iskind of the quintessential frank deck. In my opinion, where it's got a lot ofdifferent things going on there's, you...

...know six different types in the deckthat are all doing different things and play little cute text. He was playinglike a mouth yeah, the Glim Yeah Yeah Glare, and me also. We could discardcards from his hand. I thought that was kind of out it was. It was really an interestingdeck, but what ended up happening was he who I went? First, I believe, ormaybe on ont? Second, I can't remember, but I was able to get a turn. You knowto rapid flow and he made a slight mistake on his turn by grabbing anevolution incense off of Sylvia's ability, instead of grabbing a quick ball, andif he had grabbed a quick ball he could have Croate or Elda gost or at whateverhis draw support was he could have used. You know an additional supporter drownmore cards, but instead he grabbed an incense so that he could evolve hisremead. Well, I just sniped down the remora figuring that that was the bestshot I had at winning and he just wasn't able to mount enough pressure. Ithink he did get a Sylvian on that following turn, but he didn't have theRemora artillery to draw into more of the the you know,wasn't able to use a supporter, so he wasn't able to get enough differenttypes of Poke Mont and play so he wasn't able to knock. You know get aknock out on my er ship fo, so that was that was a key play in that match upand just what was all the difference. I think if he grabs a different cardthere he's in the clear more than likely, but I was able to takeadvantage of that and then round five I was I was feelinggood for no, there were seven rounds in the tournament, a round number five, a play againstColumbus, native and good friend, Andrew Dakas. So, thank US somebodythat I've been testing on table top with you know leading up to thetournament and we want to. We want to play again, do some table top stuff inthe future, so you should see him a little bit more onthe channel if you're, following my youtube or my twitch, but as ply Danka, he was flying shadowrider and they had a spicy tech, so their spicy tech that didn't matter aton. But but I guess I just want to highlight it: they're playing horror,energy and the Croma. I the haven, Baxter attack. Absolutely so then acrossover you can do two hundred and twenty damage. If it has a specialenergy attached to they play some horrors, and you know they were able to utilize thatwell, what ended up happening was. I wasn't able to get an additional darkenergy in the discard pile because, as we're talking about our strategy withthe shadow writers is to you know, go in and have your active maltres andthen try to build up another one on the on the bench, and I just wasn't able to find thatadditional dark to put in the discard pile to power up my bench, and I musthave dug it because it was over. Like two turns- and I basically just needed-I needed the one on the n. You know one of these two turns to get it. You knowsomewhat powered up right and then and then I would bring another one backafter my first one after my first MILTRA got knocked outwith the diafram wings and then I'd attach another one and do a knock outfor game, but that just never happened over the course of two turns, and Ilike researched and Cro Badde and Aricuna and researched again. An ARTICuno again- and I like saw all these cards and I just couldn't yeah. No, Ijust couldn't get another energy in the discard Pale. So yeah it was, it wasreally rough. I was like a little bit that was the saltiest. I've been, Ithink, in years in years, so like this seriously seriously, because I was likethis is a free match up. This is like pretty easy. I should have no realproblems with this, and- and I was you know, four N. no, I wanted to go fiveand I, as I go just ID twice right because we all know the horror storiesof somebody goes. You know for no and then and then they lose and then theylose again and and all of a sudden...

...they're out of the out of the top cut.So I was a little bummed. I wanted to just went out and go five, an O and you know and chill and chill for mylast year rounds, but that was not to be so. I played Dangah me. I was lucky,though, to play another shadow rider in round six and we played on streamactually. So this was a stream match. If you want towatch it, it's on Andrew's channel and he just didn't really have a a goodstart. Unfortunately, so I was able to take them down pretty pretty simply pretty easily and thenaround seven ID. So that was my Swiss rounds. Yeah pretty so swift, pretty scoot werepretty smooth from must part, and so we get in top eight I'm playing againstAndrew ionios. Well, that's is like twitch handle andhe was playing in Ashfalt ris build as well, but his list had artillery so hecould search out the rapid strike energy and I found his deck. I don't. I don'tnecessarily think it was bad, but I just don't know that it was optimized.I just felt like my list was a little bitfaster and I think he would even tell you the same thing where I was able to draw with the crow batsinto the things I needed, as opposed to setting up a stage one right and havingto basically way to turn to get. You know the thing that I needed and he wasplaying a few other things that were kind of cute and that maybe would have helped him if hehad just drawn better overall, like he played an echoing horn, which could becool because you could put a crow bat back from the discard pile on to thebench and maybe get a double g Max rapid flow. For you know extra damn oryou know doing an extra knockout right, getting a free, knock out there on anextra crabeth. So I thought that was that was really cool. He played like afan of waves and stuff, but in the end I just felt like his deck was a littleslow. There were a couple times during the mid game where he didn't have an artillery out and hewasn't able to draw cards and he just wasn't able to put on much pressureyeah. I will say this: one of text make more sense when you have an actilly tograb them because they're all ready right. Definitely definitely so.Definitely, I think the other thing I don't remember his list exactly, but Iwant to say that there's only there were only like four dark energy, so I don't know. I just feel, like Ididn't know well yeah having five five and I would actually just play six darkenergy into energy search on my list. If I were to play again, but just tohave higher counts of energy, because you're going to need to attach basicenergies on to the maltres anyway, and you want to get those in the discardpile, so I think it was four could have been five. Somebody can correct me onthat one, but just a lower account because he was trying to fit in allthis other stuff. It just doesn't it's not very conducive to getting back toback, multos turns, which is what you really write. You kind of need thatgrave yeah. You need that in the shadow writer match up so then I based off against Zol and top four, andI went first both games, which I think is an advantage for my deck. If I canset up like like I kind of divided my tears as I was drawing play, handswhere it was an ideal start. If I got a supporter in hand, you know if I waslike starting in pretending, it was my first turn. If I had a supporter inhand, I got an energy in the discard pile with a multis out, so I could dieflying wings and then had an er Shafou with any energy attachment. I thoughtthat that would be an ideal start against pretty much anything, becausethen I would have the option to threaten with multis or I haven't, hadthe option to threaten with Ershi and then like a good start would be tohave a supporter and like one of those, so I could at least put some kind ofpressure on...

...and then a bad start would be to haveyou know one or less of those requirements, andI had to yeah. I had two bad starts against the wool where I didn't evenget like an energy attachment, and so I felt pretty bad. There was maybe apoint in game, one that I could have done something, but he had fourdrizzles out and I just thought: well he so so the play was he had forresiles out and he researched and he didn't hit a single in Tellin.So immediately in my mind, I'm thinking- Oh, he prized all of his Italian, so Ihad an option to rapid flow to of his DRUSIE's. But I opted to just try toswing into the the Er ship fos right because I wasthinking like okay. If he didn't get in Tellin's there after a research and or forgers outlike yeah, when is he going to get him like? It just doesn't really add up,but he ended up having he ended up having them all on his deck, but hejust whiffed them, which was just so unusual so anyway. So I I don'tthink it was necessarily on this play, because I think I lose that gameregardless, but then in the next game, again suboptimal start, and I just couldn't put really any pressure on on as Zole, sothat was that was a decent showing there for that. First, for that firsttournament- and I was just happy to you- know- walk away with the box, walk awaywith a hundred bucks and look ahead to day too. There you go, and you know, isa Ollid go on to win the tournament with his Rapper Strike and Tell YonDeck had a great final smatch versus ship,where he really showed how rapid strike can rout out Games versus shadow writer,even in Postan Meta and shadow writer was a phenomenally popular deck at thethe fogrum event, so J B, I think one thing I'm curious about is coming out of this event. Do you haveany new opinions about? You know what the best deck is in this format. Do youthink rapid strike and tell on like we were saying the other week is stillkind of like the top dog or are you unconvinced, yeah? I think I think, probably yeah inthe post rotation Meta, I think shadow writer is probably king. We should see some other like, and this is I'm acknowledging that it'svery fluid at this point, because I think what we'll see is a lot of theseother v Max Ticks kind of rise up, like I'm really intrigued by just swic likethose kinds of decks. I'm really intrigued by something like lasion orLipin, like a lot of the a lot of the evolutions that I think have a lot ofpromise. Weren't really played. You know. Sylvian, I think, is a greatoption for for players in the post, rotation metagame. So yeah, I think where I stand right now,is that shadow rader is probably the de facto best deck, and then you have, in my opinion, the Er Shafou maltresDEC is the best Ershi list, the best way to play Orsha. But I knowthat's up for a debate and certainly a lot of players. Think that the Italianversion is better and that's totally fair, so somewhere there yeah, you gotthe bears and you got the horses really duking it out for the king in theformat yeah, I would kind of descent. I thinkthe the airship we very answer, the best xin the format and and shadow writers. Prominence is kindof A. I guess the reflect sustaned that orshe is so good m, namely, like I think Shad Rie is really good, like it's aphenomenal deck without er, she fu, I think, or he is like what pushes it toactually be in, like the true top tier of deck, as opposed to like some ofthese other V maxes yeah. I think the one thing with shadowrider is: it has like an incredible...

...ceiling. We talked about this the otherweek, but man that deck starts rough a lot. It really does because there's somany moving parts yeah and I was experimenting in a recent tournamentwith adding in great balls instead of evolution and Cense, to try to get alittle bit more explosive first turn, and I I think, there's some merit there. Youknow just like, because I feel like the Games, that you get three shadow writerdown on the first turn. Yeah, like you, have an extremely high win rate asopposed to the Games that you get. You know one or so many teams where you getthe one and that's yeah yeah for sure. That's definitely tough,because you're, not even you're like you're like barely, I don't even thinkyou can really get a two shot in most instances with just one shater writerdown so makes it difficult. Yeah. That's kind of this kind of my thoughtis, I think shadow writer would be- and you know maybe, with some of comingreprints that'll help shadow rider can oh baby. I can't wait for ultra ball. Ithink yeah, I think ultra ball probably does a lot of Nice things for the deckright, because you just play ultra ball over evolution and sense. And now youhave you know a third of your deck. Has the capability of kidding either isor can grab yeah exactly yeah I'll, be reallycurious and for the uninitiated is officially confirmed or is it like itis? It was just said it was just said: It's like pretty heavily theorized. Isuppose that ultra ball is being recreated in an upcoming set here. Soobviously it's going to have a huge impact on the game yeah. I think so andwe'll talk about that more, of course, is it either gets more confirmed or weget further down the line because that'll definitely be a huge jockypoint. Yeah for sure, that's sad, you know sounds like we have slightlydiffering opinions on the format, but definitely like bears and horses arethe top two decks. That much is indisputable. I think for sure. Do youwant to talk a little bit about your your Glcnaora, lightning deck yeahtotally so GC was, I think, it's my favorite format. Right now round one I played water against water.I should again say that I was playing a lightning deck, so my lightning deck. Iwas saying on the cast last week and I got called out for it at the tournamentand they're like I thought you were going to play dark. You know, and I waslike because I was hyping up dark a love I did. I did, but I didn't okay so so Idid because yes, I did play lightning, but I didn't because lightning and darkare very similar in a lot of ways and you Sallie on the cast O. Yes, so soyeah just to run it back again. You have hoop a and dark and you haveZapdos and lightning. You have strong one energy attackers in the form of LuxRay and weevil, and then you have a pokemon that should generally take twoprizes. You have your Guz Lord in dark and then your Rico in lightning, butthe difference is that the lightning deck just has draw support that thedark deck doesn't. So what I found was when I was playing dark. I would justrun into the lake game. I'd get to the lake game and I've kind of cruisethrough the early game, and I get to the lake game and I'd be running out ofgood attackers and I just get end or reset stamped into you know two orthree cards and then just not be able to draw out of that and end up losingmy board position and losing the game, and so so I figured I would go with lightning,because I had three different ways to draw cards in the early game. I had theMagneton, which is it's a good card.

It's not your ideal card, but itcertainly has its uses, that's for sure yeah now, for sure, for sure it has itsuses in a Camin clutch a number of times, and then I had you know thevoltore electro line and then there's AB strike a line with the sprint, andso I just felt like there were three different stage ones that I could useto draw cards. I was never going to be fully out of a game just because I hada dead hand like if I had they were just opening up so many morepossibilities to what I could have in a starting hand. If I just had thosetrack hards so so I have to to go with lightning rounda orgy man. I told you that you did, as you did YEP and I kind of listenedaround one. I played against water and Tom Marking and I was able to win. Ifind that that's a pretty good match up for water, although I will say that thespread variant is a little bit scarier, the one with Coyog, but Tom was playingjust a beat: STICK WATER DECK! Very reminiscent of the ones that couldmatch up for water or lightning it's a good match in for lightning. Okay, it'sa good match up for lightning just because you have weakness on a numberof their pokemon and then they all have things that have to evolve. So YoursAPTOS can be very potent in the early game. You know because they usuallywill lead. You know some or sable or Scorda right. You just knock that thingout of the park and then, if you can find like a Gozma or a box yeah, it'sit's pretty good and then round to I played against Beckett and he wasplaying dark now. Backit is a another, I guess what former Columbusplayer and he was playing a dark deck, and that is it's. It's pretty! Even butagain I find like if they can get their beast ring off and make the their and make their guzlar live. You knowtwo turns then they're going to have a really good time right and if theydon't get that, then you know if you knock it out after they take their twoprizes or if they just never find be spring. That could be really tough forthem and that's pretty much why I have in a becket he just wasn't able to inthe mid night game, pull anything together and then round. Three I playedagainst twitch user Tankman and he was playing a colorless stick and Nataliesaid that it was a crack deck that it was just so cool. Unfortunately, theport or tank minute, a cracked like cration variant. Oh, I believe so yeah.I believe so. I didn't really get to like ness that Aryan that Natalie woulddescribe as the crack deck it seemed the cool. I didn't really geta chance to see it because again, I was like kind of. I started off really fastand I was just picking a part a lot of his board, so I didn't really get tosee the full Strat, but that was a really cool deck. I would have liked toplay that to like a real match and then I played a lightning mirror o roundfour was intent, so I made a I made, probably the biggest misplay or theweekend in round for where I had an active. I had an active Luxo and I was hyperfocused on the disconnect attack, which is an item lock attack and it doesthirty damage on a stage one. I was like hyper focus on this, so he broughtup a marip and he put me to sleep and I flip tails on the sleep and then so Iwas just like. Oh okay, I don't have a knockout on the next turn he evolved in the flaffing. Then I waslike. Oh I don't have at you had luxery yeah. I had the luxure. I had the EVOin sense and I was like. I think I was saving it for, like a ave strike orsomething, but I just had that in hand like. I should have just played it, andthen that would have done a couple of things it would have. You know allowedme to take a knock out. I would have gone up by two prizes, which you knowis it's always just better in gls to get up by more than one prize rightlike like. If you can a lot of times, the games were just trading back andforth. So if you're able to take that one prize advantage, then you know itdoesn't matter. If all you guys get knocked out, because you're, ideallyjust trading prizes from there on out Soo, it would have given me that extraprize advantage and then it also would...

...have prevented me from getting knockedout on the following turn, because he just didn't have an attacker and Iwould have taken out his flahy, which meant that he would have one lessbecause his lightning deck wasn't my lightning deck and his lining Dick wasmore focused on getting a heavier attackers like the Rico and the Zeran.So really using the dynamotor abilities yeah, but I didn't take the NACKAS sowas able to like dynamotor twice to like a zero. I don't remember exactlythe specifics, but he dynamotor Ed. Maybe it was a Aptos that I got up in.He just took the knock in no he's like building up energy on a board, and Iwas just I was like that's so stupid so anyway in the lake game. It's tied two to two on prizes and Ibasically come up to a point where I just had the sack of pokemon. I think Iattack with this Aptos into something, but it wasn't quite a knockout, and sohe goes well. I know this is a bait, but I'm going to do it anyway and heattacks and he knocks on my pokemon that I send active. I don't know myAptos or something, and so he goes down to one prize and I have a ry Co on mybench and I just need to get the counter energy to like do une twentyone and twenty to the bench and take my two prices and win, and I end up not finding it on that turn. So I send up some beefypokemon that can take a hit and I'm like okay, he just has to not haveGusti like n or something or resaid stamp, and he doesn't end up findinggust. So I have one more turn to dig and then I find the counter energy andI get it going get that Raco and take my last two prizes. So there you go,that was pretty exciting, probably the best match of the weekend and thenaround five six. I ad is a six round tournament, so I went for no and then Ineed my last two. In top eight I played against OdeonBalandran with is grass stick, and so Otto is a player? That's been playing awhile, but he got handed a grastock fromAndrew like the night before yeah or no the day of the day of because he wasworking that night or something so like he's like yeah play this and he endedup making it in the top top eight there you go out o motioned. I was pretty sadto be playing them and then I was pretty sad because, like you never wantto cannibalize cannibalized friends in the in thefirst R N that super super disheartening. But anyway, though, helike pops, the heck off like in the first game where he gets a, he gets a forest of giant plants. On the firstturn and like keep in mind, I only have one stadium to counter that, so I'mlike digging frantically for it, but he gets the force of giant plants and thenhe finds like a couple of evolutions and he starts the SHANATAC and he getsthat. So we can start to search out all this other advance pokemon and he clipsyeah. I remember he flipped two heads on timer ball. While he had the stadiumout- and it was just like. Oh my gosh, it's a blood bat saying yeah. So then I forget how I bring it back.There was one really crucial turn with the LUX ray that I think I like gustedup his rilla boom and then I used Lux ray and I was able to take a one shot,knock out on the rilla boom and he hadn't really been able to get muchenergy and play at that point. So I felt good about that and then with aluxury. I took a few more prizes and then he was able to get the rare candyrilla boom back. So I get that back out into play, butthen there was like one turn where I took a took a big knock out and I hextand then that was kind of that was kind of it for grass. I just I just had justenough to get there across the finish line and then I don't quite rememberhow game to finished it. It wasn't as good as game one, but then I headed in the top for top aidthat wasn't streamed, so I finally got to be on stream in the gls, and thatwas a lot of fun. I played against a...

...dark player that actually I playedround one of the prior day, so he was my right quasi opponent in round oneand he was a former magic player, so well former maybe still still plays.I think. Actually I take that back so place, but it's it's really funny. Idon't know if you really interact with a lot of magic players, but but I haveover over the time that I've been playing and they are since magic and toan extent Yugo as well like they're. Very you have to be very aware of what youropponent does. He was super acknowledging of everything that I didright likely e says: Okay and stuff. I like any yeah yeah because, like youknow how pokemon it's a little more solitaire like our board, like sure itaffects the opponent's board, but there's nothing. That's like animmediate effect right, like you could figure out on your turn. The effectsthat are on your pokemon right so like yeah, he was like Yep Uhu seems good,seems good Uhu, like everything and I'm like Oh yeah, like a magic player in the house, so that wasthat was really fun and so yeah. I played him with dark and he just missedbe string. I think both games on the turns that he needed it. I was able toget a quick. You know early attack, really kind ofstifle his board position and then I ended up using Rico pretty well in bothgames to take the win and then in top two I was off to agreat start. I remember winning game one. I watched back game two and therewere a couple of errors by both of us. The first one was my Cynthian Catlin. Idid them in A. I did the CYNTHIAN Kalan in a reverse order, which just lookingback on it, I think I I think I have a really good shot to win that game. If Idon't have a double prize penalty, because basically, I just needed to. I had a board set up. That was prettynice, but I just needed the game to go a little bit longer. So anyway, what Idid was, I drew my three cards and then I picked a supporter out of the discardpile and it's like well, you know, of course, yeah. I can't blame the judgesfor that. They did a really great job. I think, throughout the course of theevent cracking down on those things, so I just made an air that was sad for meand then tray made an error where he drew an extra card or he didn't draw an extra. He like sawan extra card potentially, and that was sad because we were both set back toyou know only taking four price as blame, yeah yeah. So so it kind of likeeven out, but unfortunately I think I think, I'm better in a better positionif we both had to take six prizes, because my board was a little bitbehind trays and he just had a bigger. You know attacker at the right time andhe was able to take two prizes and end it and then in and then in the last game. I likewatched it back because it was kind of a blur. At that point I was actuallytrying to play faster, because I was thinking that you know trade tradesdeck could take multiple prizes in a turn. So I was trying to get a big leadbefore time is called Huh and I wasn't wearing my watch. So I didn't reallyhave a good idea of where time was, but I was playing kind of fast and likemaybe not thinking exactly like clearly, but I just remember like watching itback. I remember try getting just like such. There was a there's one sequencein the early game that I knew that I'd kind of like you just know that you'velost when this series of place happens. So he has an active guarine and he attached one energy as like hisfirst turn, and he had a bench rolls, and that was his only board position.So I'm like I can definitely punish this. If I can gozma up the the Rolt or or if I can just you know, knock outthis this Gartin a before I can attack me and I end up going in with his aptosinto the active, because I wasn't able to get on a scape rope or Gozma or bossor anything. But I put that to sleep. I put the active Guarita to sleep, and so he has to flipfor sleep and he flips heads. If he...

...flips tails there. I don't think he hasa way to retreat and attack, but that's neither here nor there. So then he alsogets a rare candy into Guardia, which I'm like pissed, I I'm laughing at himcause he pulls the guard if were out of his deck, and I think you can kind ofyou can kind of see this on on the Streem game and I'm like brow, if youhave re candy, like I literally say, do I like brow. If you have rare candyhere, I'm going to be sick. He's like I got rare candy, I'm like I'm sick and he wrote candies in the garden andthat's really hard to defend, because it's just such a tank and it canaccelerate energy to his other guys right like Jos cards and draws car likeit's just so good. It's so good, especially on turn what two or threethat he had it, and so he was able to draw two cards and he got the stadium,and that was a killer, because I just wasn't able to get rid of that stadiumfor the longest time and he took two knockouts with that. With that Girtin,it was like basically at that point that I knew that I had lost because youjust can't get. I didn't have a response after that initials APTOS it was. Itwas just rough from there and yeah a that was the crucial turn that heneeded to again go up by one really put all the pressure on take outmy only real attacker, I the sacrifice of Pokmon, and it was just kind ofdownhill from there, so yeah yeah, so so I was, but yeah stillwalked away with a hefty amount of prizing. So yeah I probably made abouta you- know five hundred bucks on the weekend, so all on a Cantah can'tcomplain yeah. Well, congratulations on some awesome.Showings sounds like it was a really exciting fun event and shout to fullgrip and and angre and Adali, and all the folks there for helping to put thaton yeah. It was awesome. I can't thank them enough. I hope we get to dosomething in the future, but yeah with other tournaments on Ithe on the horizon here, so I'm not going to play in the Pog Championship.We are having some friends in town and I just I don't know I played in it lastyear and it was like twelve hours or something- and I just I don't know manespecially after playing like in person like the online game, is still reallyfun. But I don't know if it's I don't know if it's twelve hours fun for youknow and full of packs, so sure I'm notgoing to be playing in that, but hopefully there's hopefully there'ssomething coming up. I want to start doing on the channel a little moretable top action. I've been reaching out to some localplayers and saying you know, Tankas Hey, you want to come over some time and wecould do like a four person like round Rabin type thing that I would maybe like commentate andwe can hang out with the guys for a little bit so that might be in the nearfuture terms of in terms of tournaments. Yeah well, that'll be fun. Do you have an evolved opinions on JimLeader Challenge coming out of it about what the best decks might be? So Ithink that lightning is the best deck and I think it could be nerved slightlyby banning like or retiring. Maybe one of the draw support so, like maybe justretiring, the ZEP strike, I think, would really neuter the deck in a waythat wouldn't make it to. You know terrible but wouldn't makeit. You know the kind of Draw Power House that it currently is, and then I also really enjoy the watersnipe deck. I think that deck is er, easy, good yeah. The Kayaga seems quitegood, basically anything that smites yeah, basically anything that snipes islike really cool and then there's also, of course, the thepsychic deck that one, I think is you know trades psychic deg is quite niceas well. So I would say those three are...

...the ones I would consider heading intoany future tournaments yeah, I think the lightened neck is my favoritepersonally, just the fact yeah the fact that you can getthose the fact that you can get those early knockouts is so strong, and then you have acouple of beefy stage tos. So you can. You can stay in those like reallygrinde games with those big poet one and they just have insane draw so yeaht best part about it to just got yeah somany options on any given turn. Is there any other charts you would, youknow maybe consider for retirement in the G LC yeah I mean, I think the snipe stufflike I would consider retiring the amazing rears or or maybe putting themon like a rotation. I think that could also be pretty cool like if Andrew wereto say, like okay, we're not necessarily banning them forever, butjust maybe for this. You know this season. You know this three month,we're not going to do amazing, rears or something I think that could be kind ofcool, so yeah. The Amazing Rayes, I think, couldgo just because they provide a little too much too much spread and they canreally dominate a board position yeah. I feel that I've, I'm kind of likewaffling on the amazing rears. I also almost want to consider like heck forretirement. I think HEX is one of those cards,though, that I don't know how much like you. That decision is based on like howmuch you've played, but I feel like hex is one of the only card or one of thefew cars that allows for commencons yeah. No, I see that side of it, but Ialso feel like I feel, like heck, is used more to win harder than it is tolike prevent comebacks that it is tilly. Oh really, I back yeah. Now, I'm myopinion yeah. I definitely like played hecks when I was up and like justcompletely destroyed completely destroy any hope of them coming back as ayeasay able to come back. No, no! No, it's a great thing in my opinion, likeheck, does kind of give you a way to come back, but usually, if you'retrying to come back you're trying to like draw cards like you up, like yourBordat, whereas usually like heck, will kind of also shut that down right. I don't know that's kind of mytake on hacks. I could. I could understand, HEC stop being band. Ithink I think I would consider first andforemost the amazing rears. I think there their power budget islike a little higher than maybe the single prize basic intended yeah. It'stough, though, because I think, like the the lightning amazing rare Rico, isa little bit balanced in the sense that you you you if you're trying to go up onprizes early with the APTOS, so it's off Ben out of energies, a little yeahso like the counter, so you have to like there's three turns of attachmentsthat you need to get on to the Raco so like it doesn't feel too too bad theKayaker is. I don't know that it's necessarily a different story, becausethey're both definitely more like repeatedly amusable, just by yea sureof like the type it's built around yeah yeah, so the that would be the onlything for the Kaiger is like. Well, you also get the melodic, which is kind offrustrating to deal with yeah I mean I don't know if you watched the Kaigerdeck that was streamed, I did man, it was. I was insane also Calo played thedeck that I would have played at the colorless control day, yeah yeah. Thatwas what I was trying to talk about before is like you have. You know allthese different like dolls and Rangar, and you have all your disruption, cars, yeah, so fun yeah. I love that stuff.Well, I don't think it wins against. I don't think it wins against lightning.I have no idea. I never played the match up, but...

...at the test not a lot of people want to test thosematchup. That's true! That's true! It's a little difficult, but you know allaround great stuff. You know we're butting up on probablythe end of of where we want to be in terms of time here, but I did want togive a car of the day and then we could talk a little bit about some upcomingtopics. We got here on the cast, so car of the day today is a very special card from the plasmafreeze set j W. Do you have any ling for what that might be? Is it isn't an a speck? No, it's notnice. Is it a is a pokemon? No, is it a supporter you're taking to lock it is. Is itCorse? No, although chorus is a good, is a good choice. There o coursedefinitely like an all time regard yeah, it's ultra ball. As a result, an Ishould have known the goaded print of Ultra Ball. Anyone who says thatSanmoiede is lying to you as J W pulls out his son in Moonleet, they're,they're right here, they're in this box, but fizels re, all just so sick. Soawesome, honestly, I think originally when Sundaman dropped, Ilike that style better, but as I played the game longer, I kind of appreciatethe fact that it that the plas and freeze one's kind of in like theoriginal formatting of the card in a way, but it's just gaudy and gold andawesome yeah, so in honor, of, like ultra ball, being kind of like hintedat returning, I thought it'd be nice to honor the goat. That is a goat. Indeed, I can't wait tohave that boy back so in the coming weeks. So we wanted totalk about a new upcoming thing in the T, CG, thatbeing the the objective, Jack and kind of like the ways that you should bethinking about, like your testing and deck building in general, so lookforward to some more topics there. I'm alsothinking that we should be talking more in the coming season. You know we haverotation so kind of about like some deck building fundamentals. We haven'ttalked about that in a little while so look forward to some of some thingsthere and, of course, we'll be talking more about the post rotation. Metasinevitably develops into a way that we could have never foreseen yeah, no doubt, and we have yeah forjust to speak a little bit more on that objective deck. It's a website that youcan use to give you some statistical insight into your games. That's that'sabout the extent that I know of it. I played around with it a little bit, butwe'll be talking a little bit more about that in the coming weeks. We'llalso be talking about the new client that will probably be premier in aboutweeks right like because they're going toprobably run well they're, probably going to run the draft the worldtournament through this new. You think so that would be my guess. I think thatwas yelling. I think that would be if they don't run it through, that they'll at least like showcase it, butit makes sense right because playing in pass formats, you would have you know,potentially like different rule sets or different bands or something dependingon the format. So, like I don't know, I could see that being being a part of the the draft, the world tournament yeah,so the future of of how we play trading cards virtuallyalso on the table, a lot of cool stuff on the horizon. There's there's plentyof things to talk about. We also got celebrations coming within the nextmonth or so, which I'm personally really excited about. I got some freeorders in and I can't we just. We don't have enough time soon. It's going to belike an hour and a half or two hour...

...cast. I know I know, but with that Iwould just like to thank everybody for being a part of this journey again overthe the last couple years were excited to bring you more awesome content youon tag team and look forward to more exciting developments in season, for,if there's anything that you'd like to see, please feel free to reach out tous on twitter Dat's at smoth, riles at Real John Walter and at tag teamPokemon for the podcast itself, and if you want to catch us live everyweek, except for this week you can catch us at Twitchett, munner oralternatively, fukta riches. Absolutely thank you guys again for listening andwe'll talk to you, son, we'll catch you all next time base de.

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