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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 27 · 1 year ago

2-27. Adios Orangutan

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are ready to see off the UPR-LOT era of cards. Make way for Sword and Shield! Come check out a recap of the Pokemon Online Global event and a preview of things to come.

How was going everybody welcome back totag team, the POAMONTRADING Card Games for Mer, podcasting duo, my name's RaliHulbert, and I'm joined by my good friend as always JWU creal totell. Youhas O go today. It's going really well Ralei. I burned like all my skin offtoday. All of it I still basially, okay, yeah, you do well. I was working out inthe blazing sun in the heat of a Columbus August and going on his Aguf,the notoriis Columbus Ohio August Um, going doortodor doing the the sense ofstuff which I'm having a good time doing, but it just gets absolutely disgustingly hot and if theydo have like an evening hour, but during that time I'm usually you knowwith ann or or doing something yepogman related, and so I wish I could go out more in theevenings, but h, you know, I'm I'm stuck doing it during the day, so Ijust get absolutely burnt to at Cris. My neck is destroyed. I don't thinkI'll have a neck after this is done. Um Yeah! So it's been. It's been fun. Howabout you Riley Y, a I'vebeen doing I well Ihave, been doing well, it's a very busy time for me, I'm in the midstof real really in death project and I'mreally in the weeds right now, but it's been fun and engaging yeah. Speaking ofthe heat, I I don't know if you have the right to complain about theColumbus August, I had old right my my best friend in college. He Uh. He movedto Arizona for Grad School and his car. Just straight up overheated and died istotaled O that's wild yeah to buy a new car, Ohget Rek, I know. Doesn't he have insurance for it? YROS CVER eat. Idon't know if insurance covered E or not I mean heas lie. It was like an oldoldish car, but still it just overearit was dead w one time, one time that actually happened to megoing to a pokman tournament. Have I ever told you this story? I don't thinkso. Okay, so we're going to a pokemin tournament in Canada- and I you know,grew up in Michigan and new. You know a couple of guys from Michigan. So wewere going to start and drive through my homesound of Pork Huron to go intoCanada to go to Toronto for regionals and we're on the bridge and the car that we're in just starts, likeyou know, really starts working. You know and we're like. Okay is a littleinteresting and we're sitting on the bridge because you got to, of course gothrough customs, and you know they. They ask you a few questions and makesure you're. You know not a terrorist or anything like that or carryinganything illegal into the country, and we are, you know, he's H, paused we breaking on on the bridge andthen we start to get going again and it's just working really hard. Thecards can't quit keep up, and then it just dies right there in the middle ofthe bridge. Oh No, so we had to like push it to thecustoms area and it turns out, like one of the fans,was dead, so the the engine was overkeating. So there's like only halfcapacity of a fan right, so I was only getting half the amount of air that itneeded to to function and it was abysmal. We actually had his dadwho lived in you know the the town that we crossed over into Canada. He camewith like the backup car and then drove the other car back home and like he wasso furious. So he took the backup car. We ended up getting ther fine, but itwas like another like two hours of just like sitting and waiting. You know forfor a backup car to come, and it was really funny then, on up you on that.One do do you know the Mempho story, ywith your big car yeah. Yet I meankind of on the way home, yeah, so I'll tell her forthe listeners m. So this isMemphis. What is that? Twenty Eighteen Iwas, twenty eighteen s, yea stillliving in Columbus, UM and every background? I was alreadyfrustrated like heading to this tournament because I got cancelled onby like three different people, so I justlike relatively en ad rbmb thatwousd slit between two people- um. Thankfully, my second patron AlerPierce- was like very a good about it. He was like very willing to accommodatelike the increasing price, and actually it was like supernice and we had greatconditions for two P, so I guess it was fine and then in in retispect I realize howmuch I value like comfort when I'm traveling and I'm willing to Tra moreto be comfortable.

But anyway, so we drive down with myold large car. It was a Ukon Excel from two thousand and five magnificent beast of a car. Really itwas a behemus. It was large in charge. Noone would mess with it Um, but it wasold and I had just taken it to the mechanic theday before we wept to Memphis. I you know they fixed some things up. It wasmaking some noise and noise went away, and so it feeled pretty good and MEMPHISIS. It was like a cizabledrive from Shirt Columbus. It was like nine to ten hours Um, so you know we're down in Memphis,tournment, wos horrible. For me, Um goes fine for Adler. He gets like topthirty two or to sixty four or something I'm sure we played the samesixty, but I had a much less a sustainable day than he did Yall all good, though Yeh and we start heading back home aftercafter. He finishes and gets I like packs or whatever Um and the car is like making some noise.But it's like you know this car makes noise is old, I'm used to it at thispoint yeah, so I kept on driving and we make it to cont. We make it midwaythrough Kentucky and the car is just really like hanging on for a dear lifeUm, and I can tell that something isn't quite right, but I th I was still under theimpression that we couldn't make it 'cause. We were swewere only left twohours away, 'cause. We had the right, you ere kin like at half hour, left ofKentucky and then like a hour and a half from Cincinti to columpus yeahyeah. Maybe two and a half hours. I guess it would be a little bit longeryeah, but you know we're getting like rightright by the bridge between Cincinnati and Kentucky that connects the states, and I realize the car is gettingincredibly difficult to drive yes, and so it's a it's like steering it. It's verychallenging what I realized in retrospectirs, thepower Sterin was no longer working m. So if you're, not a car person likecars have like mechanisms that make it easier to steer 'cause you don't rea,you don't realize it when you're steering a car but you're steering areally large heavy object. Ndso there's assisted mechanisms there.Where that mechanism it doesn't work. You realize that your ste, a very largeheavy object with all of your physical might. So I realize that this is wrongand I use all of my physical might to turn the car off of the road into theinto the newest exit. The car just comes to a sliding stop and not is theend of the car, we're just we're about fifte minutesfrom the bridge, the Cincinnati and in another fifteen minutes. From mychildhood home and then from there an hour and a half from Shuroiss here we lived and Aler haslike a final, the next day or something, and so I'm like really worryied aboutgetting him home, yeah right, 'cause, ecause, the blood is, on your hand,Saya your car and yeah your responsibility. He had basically justlike passed out in the backseat, just like laying across all the seatsand just chilled for a while, I'm Likin on the curb like crying like callingtriplay like I just want to go home. I jus IEI'm, just miserable the wholeturn of it was bad. I just wanted to go home yeah about three hours latermidway through this whole experience, some very under the influence mandrives by on a motorcycle and the mirror falls off his motorcycleand he just drives away. He like got off the motorcycle checked in with usfor like we're fine, and he drives away. It is a miracel off and he didn't comeback, Togeth Thatas, incredibly unsafe. It was sofunny, though S I took the nearor and just put it in the center consile inthe car, which I think it still is in there yeah, but yeah, I'm just miserable Theshipla guyeventually comes, and he starts talking to us about like his H, his experience with women yeah, whichreally I didn't want to talk about that t throam, but you know so it goes. We get back tomy parents house. I take one of their other cars um back to Columbus and Ithink they actually got it fixed up. What had happened was the H, like the the hose for the coolint havelike become detached. Yeahso the engine had overheated, which also deoxamatedhe power, sering, Yep, so i'mlucky that sure absurd it was. It was justridiculous that whole Memphis experience was just truly awful startto finish, yhate to see it for sure, but it it's afond o memory. You know it's one of those things where it's really bad inthe moment, but you can respect like and laugh at it. Looking back...

...'cause know everyone. Has that moment.I feel like whereit's like nothing. Could have gone any better or likenothing could have gon any worse. I get Inen, so you just have to just smile and brushit off Unnyyeah, but you know we keep ontrucking Um. You yourself had his tournament this weekend and it wasn'tnearly as unsuccessful as my memphis run. Yeah Yeah I was, I was prettyhappy with the result, so I was playing in the atlas. collectibles Pokamononline gaming championships this last weekend, if I think a Theoh an onlineglobal. That's right. I keep saying gaming, its quol okay, I cam Ron, butthat's true. That's rigt! I had a really overall good. You know positivetime. I will you know, get into some of thecriticisms. I you know nothing. Nothing 'm, not bashing the tournament. Iwanted just be up front and say that I am very thankful that there are peoplein our community that devote the time that they do to helping us have anonline experience, because I know it can be very challenging and an no canbe very unrewarding, and I know that people can be very. You knowunforgiving with some of the language that they use around these tournamentsand they can be very harsh in their criticisms, and I hope that that is notwhat I anpresenting. I hope what I'm presenting is just a very like Um. Youknow unbiased evaluation of my experience in the tournment, so it was very fun. I you know well wellstart just doing a very brief. I don't want to spend too much time on this,but jus's like a very brief for those vew that Um, you know Don Amanyo too. Ipostd TA video about this but m what I played. So I went in with avigable deck and my thought there was just to in this, especially in thisblind metagame. I wanted to have like as much control over games as Ipossibly could. Where M, I would try to take control of the game and try tojust maximize the opportunities to outplay my opponent, because we'relooking at a format right now. That is particularly fast. It's it's maybefaster than any of the other formats that I maybe have ever played whenyou're talking about cards like ADP, that can, you know, reduce the amountof attack that you have to use or you look at. You know two and three prizepokman being just the norm, and so the game is extremely fast right now and so,and to try to for the listeners you might not be as miliar with the ParkChampionship. Can you remind us of the format? Oh, oh, yes, it was. It wasstandard format, but prerotation Soolcia prison, ttarnasl, exactly so um yeah. I wanted a deck that really kindof slowed the format down in a sense and slowed the games down, and I found thatwith vegavol and Ih'd been testing that the whole week prior on my own and Ontwitchd, and I was justfinding like of all the DECS that I tried it just seemed to maybe fit my inmy style like it seemed to work well with me and it had the best winning percentage. SoI was like okay. I tell this to all the people that I coach as well. Like trustyour results- and I felt like this was a really important tournament for me toto do just that. You know I had the best winning percentage with veable onthe ladder and just with my own testing and Um. so I trusted my results fromthe testing and went into t the tournament. You know feeling very goodabout it, and so Daon was pretty solid. I you know wentseven and two to make on two day two and then in day two I maybe didn't doquite as well, but like all the games were extremely close and I faced thebiggest like regret, I guess was facing a couple: legabl mirrors that had sometexts for the mirror that I didn't have. So I took two losses to the same exactlist where they had um, just more healing options and more gustingoptions, and it made it really difficult. But M still, you know kindof came down to that last turn in both of those matches, but day too went fiveand four. So, overall again, I I felt really good about the deck placed sixtyseventh overall and you know feltlike. I I achieved something and had a goodtime. Awesome, yeah ve, definitely a a solid choice. I think was it onevecable in the top e? There was one that made, I think, thirdyeah, so there's a veqle up there on the top eight and then there was also h,the eventual winner of the tournament that Petromdeck played too vicable,really leaning into that option for the lightning type archetypes yeah. Exactlyexactly, I think Um, you know. Maybe in retrospect, like some type of pekarombased vehcile Bild or tikof old based...

...peak aroundbuild would have been. Youknow. Obviously the play I mean it performed. You know not only one, butit had something like nine spots in the top twenty foursomething ridiculous like that. So just really was a dominating force in thepog championships yeah. So, let's dive in then into what we saw as we gotfurther up in the ranks n, the top sixteen top eight an eventual finals ofthis tournament. So, like you said, the Pekoram architype really continued tosee success. I I don't think that is overtly a surprise to anyone right thegramas continued to be a powerful deck. It really didn't lose anything goinginto this format besides, maybe having another venax act that can keep up withit, but really when we look at with theCross ection of them at a game like gt Grama's, actually in a pretty good spy,especially in that day too Meta Um, where, if we consider these, if weconsider like atternitous a bad match up, if it even is sure you know, themajority of the meatow seemed very skewed to me in day too, especially asye got towards the end of the day toward the ADP deks Um, it seemed likethat was just overall. The favorite choice of the day, TM EDA game andpperam really has continued to do fine and that match up. Um, certainly hasn't lost anything in thematch up and an come out of the gate swinging as Feras as having a generallygood matchup spread. So I mean what can we add that hasn't already been said byourselves? Aboutyoright, you O, if Yo Robi eyes anything it just gained a newtool which I feel like I feel like. We say that every set like FECR on youknow it as already good. It got a new tool to add to his arsenal and it'llcontinue to be good. Brigt O right. No is you know I I remember with Bultond,you know an d then, and then people started, including you know, two Bolondin their PIGARAMMA NTHE AC. We had the COARA Wini, Oh sure, Cocobi Yn, an Nackapponhaise by Bolltime, and now we have vehicbl like there's JS, always Iguessi what new addition, yeah yeah right exactly exactly so yeah, it'sit's a very strong! I mean we don't need to go over it again, but just yeahy. You saw the strength in it and and obviously vegable being that trainerlock option that that no other DEC besides just astray bcabl has I mean itwas very powerful and kind of getting setting up. Guess we talk about Pekramlike it's one kind of weakness. That's kind of Um hidden with the electripowers is the damage output, like it kind of struggles in Osense, to getthose big numbers. But then you have something like a vecable. They can justcome in and do a little chip damage item lock. The opponent and KINDOFswing the tempo of the game for you so really cool. You know inclusion for alot of pikramdecks that performed really well this Wyeah so and just likethe Ram, I don't think we need to talk anymore about ADP we've seen eighty Pto continue success. The deck really hasn't changed much at all. Besides,maybe having a slight L, larger emphasis on the tern one yeah I jiswoint in the meadow, because it's so fast Um, so I think the archetypes that I'm mostinterested in talking about personally Um. I do want to call out I D n't. I don'thave a lot to say about this deck, but I do what to call an EXTA drill. Iended up getting top sixteen, which was super cool Um. I think exder was thefirst DEC to qualify through the first day as well, went like seven, oh absurd,comedy Peros a a face to get there right right, ut, that's Super Sa thetwo dacts that I'm most interested in talking about, though, ar you twocoming back from the dead H- God not even really from the dead, but you knowriseinto providence once again getting forthplace and bubbling out of topeight and then I also would like to talk about the Sanders Mill archetypeyeah. I also want to rub in your face that I thought TAT would be a goodoption and I said it last week and you kind o show me Downtou well yeah. I Imean to be fair. I, although I will push back and say, did you think thatmill in the form of Sanders decklist would be what would have been played'cause? I wish th it's actually not that far off. No really, okay 'cause. Iwould say that Sander's list is just absurdly complicated and not kind ofnot the not the mill that we've come to know and love in the form of likenecargo and Arangaroo is just very different. Itit's very fresh yeah, I think th. The main thing is that I wasn't reallyprivy to Um was the delt caddy? I I want to say its like the main thingthat I wasn't really onto Thir, and that was I mean that was huge,and that was instrumental. He also had...

...the mister mind that I was never evenconsidering, but I don't know I never saw that IOM hardo anything on stream, so I can't test like what Y I don't know. I mean Ithink it was just for like ADP right 'cause, then if they gx attack and theydon't have like a secondary attacker, then you just block hem out of the game.Essentially so, but yeah I mean scupupne obviously opens up a lot ofnew possibilities that I don't think we're really that explored by many mealplayers and to see Sander once again m. You know play this just absurdly.Intricate mill deck t at that really capitalizes on a lot of these new, these new tools that it has it isreally impressive, and I just give a lot of a lot of complements to him, andI wish that he would have been able to win that first game and Houknow take onthe crown, because I think we see something like this. This is like theperfect example ar it's a perfect example of of a greatplayer taking a deck that they know inside and out to a high finish and M.Not that you know that's, that's no ha o n thisopponent in finals, but m. justthat you know. Sander knows these. Stile decks has put a lot of time intothat and it just is paying off. You know I certainly paid off in thistournament. Yeah, and I mean this is a classic example of Um, like the fatal flaw of MILDEK andlarge events. Is the time limit really plays against them m? Not because theycan't not because they can't mill in time orfinish in time, but the if they happen to drop a game they're the ones whosuffer as a result, yeah there's just not a lot. They cando when they're put in the situation Um, whereas a game three and time is low.'CAUSE, there P has to be ahead on prizes. You know they don't have toREAC. We reach a wind condition, so we hit this game censcenario for thewatching, where Sandra Ha realistically removed all of Iseas options to win,and he had like everything that he needed locked up. The board was set upfor him, but it didn't matter like had already taken. I think one or twoprizes Um the articuno option for him to likeknock things out with it wasn't really available to him. So I mean Santar justkind of lost, and you know that's just the unfortunate reality of these middlestyle, dex and uh yeah and and definitely is like the the gate keep onthe deck. You know I mean there's, there's a high skill cap. If you lookat his list, it has somewhere in the realm of like twentyone of so already with a decklist. You know you give this to a new player andthey're just going to be scratching their head AU like what the optimalrouting is, but then yea also having to manage time it. It makes it for youknow it just it's going to be a long term. If you decide to play a deck likethis and Um yeah again to see someone perform aswell as he has over the course of the whole season with these cards is reallyexciting. I am curiously to know like what a mill player, who at least you knowfor this season and other seasons in the past, has made kind of a reputationon mial install what they decide to do. N in the postertation format. That'llthat'll be really interesting. Yeah I mean Sandahas really got multipleseasons, now H, leaning into these stall architypes, and I think the H. It's lost a lot of tools if stallexists heading forward. I don't know what it looks like Yep and that's coming from someone who,maybe not as to the level of Isander, but definitely I am a coniseur of thearts um and I I have idea the dartords Ih, noidea what it looks like going. FORAR YEA, Bu Sander is trengly. Urish master,these dacks, so much props to him h. He deserves every one of the finishes thathe's gotten and probably more Um. You know he's really carved that niche for himself reallywell, and I I say that his his concept wasclose, the one I was working with, but he really pushed it over the edge withthe inclusion of delk adty. He always manages to find those little extratools. He builds his dack in a very unique way, so I I cannot give enough praise to to sand her and and precize AAs. Whilehe's had a very successful season m wrapping it up with a dub forgrum isvery impressive, so it was really a star Sidof finals there. It was reallycool to see absolutely I I do. WANTTL back to Neutoo, though so Musei was something that we didn't put really a lot of stockinto both of us. You know I don't really get to pull this one over yourhead, unfortunately, and yeah a fair amount of success. So yeah and to behonest, I look at the on- is still a little hard for me to like parse outexactly what made it so good. I think...

...it it came down to like a good eighy Pash up more than anything is my impression sure M. I don't know ifthat's the same prepression you got yeah, I mean well you're, looking atyou're, looking at ADP DEX not have a way to hit two seventy upand, and soyou know they're reaxing out ot, two sixty 'cause yeah exactly and so you know, Mizu iskind of just just blowing through your initial set up in the EDTP and then noteven getting response Caot in return, so yeah I mean Mizu. That would be theprimary reason. I still don't know that I would have ever thought of like Mutuand me being a good play for this tournament, but yeah I mean when youlook at how much ADP was played, which it was like double inday to the nexthierst deck know. You could certainly see how aplayer that did play me to if they hit a lot of ad p would bepretty successful. I think I think mjais probably also finding is deeper.UME H at least cant hold it s own Um sure. You know, I think it strugglesmore so against the VMAC DEX, where the three hundred is younger enough Um YeahEspecil, I mean Jagabol, wasn't really a actor, but Jagapol basically killedme too off, for you know a Qarder, yes, definitely and so jagapuls declinewas also tot's benefit Um. I I don't see how the decolates istoange itself against things like alternatives, but I turned tothisreally wasn't that favorite of a deck it seemed like in the the dayt meagameI mean it was certainly played, but the medigame was really dominant, yeah, iyb yeah. For sure. For sure I mean therethere were a lot of other. You know a lot of other decks up there at the atthe top. You know cent O scorch yeah jsjust, take a second to mention Cento,scorch, being an absolute flop. Yeah. I got an Earti way chop place. Yeah I mean, and for the amount ofplayers that played it like you, look at Pekaram having less than the amountof players Um the sense SCORC had n in both day, one a day too and justabsolutely going ham in the finishes. Wherea sentto scorch having you knowsomewhere around double the amount of players that Pekarham had just had veryabysmal, finishes across the board and m. You know, I think I I wouldattribute that a lot to um just the consistency, the RAC,consistency of other decks, whereas I've found cent to scorches, reallylivor die even more so than a deck like Mutu. Centice scorch is reallyliverdive by the welder and the problem there is that you needwelder like you need a lot of cards of very specific times, whereas a decklike me, two doesn't necessarily need that. You know because you're attacker andthe Muchu deck is a basic as opposed to cent to Scorch, where, like you givethem, you give the opponent that one turn to like really mess with yourboard position by gusting up the bench, sentice Corch, or something like that.Um You there. There are just other weler decks, primarily Muto thatperform better because of not needing as many cards in certainorders yas a a did end. So, Oh, you can go ahead and Finih Hou thought no, no go a! No! I was going to saybeyond that. You too can get a huge Ko on an ADP orany number of things on TM, two, almost always Um, where I sent a scorch andit's not even guaranteed. Even if you get a volcanea and off, you know that you'll do enough damageto Kao something thats huge. So, like a you know, what is the what's the ongame here, Hat d you Workin Dor, I say if fie yeah, I sta heartes, saidlast weewhere its when you win was Hento scarch you' blow them out of thewater completely 'cause. He have like an invincibel infinite damage attacker. I have assed the reason that people gotso attached to that. I really do yeah a and definitely like. Last week, I I wasreally just confused. Like I was hearing a lot of rumblings aboutOhscento scorch could be good. You W Sen. Scorch is good, since wirs is goodand- and I just my red flags- were up- you know I wasn't- I wasn't ready tocall it. I wasn't ready to call it horrible, because there are some thingsthat you know make it at least on paper. Seem you like a decent. You knowworkable deck, but then in practice I mean it very clearly showed that it washead and shoulders. I think, below a lot of other day I mean, there's I meanprobably five decks that I would rather have played overcentscorch. You knowyou look at ADP, you look at Pekaram, you, Ow Blaseflon had showings tha turnof this. I would I would absolutely a hundred percent take a ternitis overcentiscorchin and actually the vegable deck that I played and a lot of othersplayed. You know had a good centive scorch match up so at at a certainpoint, you're looking at centice Corchean like wondering what makes itany good against the field yeah I mean...

...we, I think, of Dex I'd rather playthan central scorge. I I think Pegron Mill, vicovol Yu too atternatisplasepalon yea, eighty tin, I missing it ating there I think that'sAA, mad party girl, be. I would rather play that party because it'd, probablythat be a more entertaining experience. Honestly, you know Yeh Yeh, and that was one of thesurprise finishers. We see so fine getting twenty ninthwith a mad party list that I believe you know less than less than fivepeople had in day too hambrn adport, but yeah going with a Conbo list. I wasjust about to bring that up. So stefin's list included the GARACI PRISM,Mr Mine, from detective Pecachu and couple copies of Prima wisdom, arangaroo to just get that Girasi into the prizes, draw it off of an attackand yeah. It really worked well, for him ended up getting a top thirty twofinish and a very unique list using thunderming ou mysterious treasure under mountain was a big card yeah that it was really interesting. I looked atthe list and I was saying: Oh okay, um where's, the drawpower 'cause. He onlyhas one dedene in the list like there's no Crobat, there's no or Coreo it'sjust the one, Tha Dany, and it really feels like in this list like he istrying actively trying not to play the dedani yeah. It's a very is very muchfaanist on the yeah, the CIDESTE and the Um polteice, and trying to draw ytch withthe tradability that it has as pseudo trade trying to keep gxes off the board.Keep these off the board. Have things able to be scoop up net I'll also saylike a notable thing about his list is h. He doesn't really have any movementoptions in his stack for those vdrx poken on. So actually the dedanabecomes a huge liability oncs to hit the board. That's the reason he t playit on her Ountin was 'cause. He could twin energy thundermounain and justlike ony just scoop it off Soiand, like prosty, O feling Bidi, Icreative route to dealing with that problem. ECAUSE. You also need astadium in general in case they. I E A wonder lab sure. So I mean that list is so coolman. I I love that Li be honest. I propis Tofon for coming up with anothersuper interesting neck, one for one on the top thirty two there,so I guess so so, very good, so yeah, that's kind ofthe overview of the of the tournament. Now I did just want to bring up some ofthe prises and the criticisms that I had about the global championships. Thefirst thing I just want to say is: like you know, I I think it is. I mean it'simpossible to replicate anything like a real world championship, so I think forfor, in my opinion you know Henry Brand is the current world champion untilPogman has another sanction world championships, he will remain the worldchampion. I mean certainly Isaa put in. You know a lot of time a lot of hoursto get to the point that he got to. I I'm not disputing that at all, but it'sjust not for me it's not the same iwould. You agree ryly yeah and thatwas kind of a Lowdo question because he knew my opinion was vewers didn't know it. I I mean on thewhole I and this isn't a slam against the autless folks or the pog or anyonewho says it. I don't think it's in great taste tocall it like the artificial world championship M. I think there's a lotof reasons. Why that's the case Um, but at the end of the day, like theRorld gamionships, the Rochapionship, these online events don't really actaout at the same space Um. But that's that's really. Beyond thepoint I mean there's there's certainly more to talk about. I think, on thewhole asa successful event, it did what a amd to do got a lot of people outthere and excited to play fooon and that's all you can really ask for. Ijust H. I think it's a mistake for onlinetournaments to try and replicate what has already been. I think it would beit's better for online tournaments as a whole to evolve into what you want themto be right, like try and make them into something great on their own merit,as opposed to attach labels for what already exists and that we can't match.You know like we're. Not This. Isn't the world championships there's plentyof reasons why it's? Not? U Less! Why do we have to make it the worldchampionship? SOGH like this is an awesome herd of it in his own rate, Um. You know why give it? Why even give itto being of comparison, sure sure 'cause? Obviously, it's likea huge like burden to live up to right, exactl call yourself a Worl, Chran, itiand, and that's fine I mean- and it's not you know. Obviously, therethere arereasons that you would want to call yourself. The World Champ it's right toto bring more prestige, even if it's...

...just in name alone, so Um. Yes,certainly a very Um, a a very inspiring effort that theorganizers put on. I think you saw it just people are hungry to play inonline tournaments and you know there were over twelve hundred people and Ithink for like a first attempt right 'cause. This was generally as far as I know, from the organizersthis S, her first attempt at putting something together, this big you knowas most of the limitlist that has done it. I guess four times this was this team of organizers. FirstTime you know doing something this big and- and I think, generally speaking,pulled it off. I you know overall, I don't want to like give this a rating,but I would say I was overall happy with how this tournamentas ranpresented. You know the professionalism of thestaff and an and also the the quality of the opponent that I played. Ipersonally had just really great interactions with every single opponent that I'e played,you know no bad sportsmanship, no kind of negativity. There was one interesting thing that they decidedto do, and I I don't know if this was something that they just you know,maybe couldn't fix in time, but m. One thing that I worried going into thetournament was that the reporting system for wins and losses and theyapted to go with a loser reports that they lost kind of system. So normally you would think like. Okay,the winner would report the score because they have a an incentive to report the score right,whereas the loser might actually have an incentive to give the incorrectscore right, they might be salty or they might. You know just not thinkthat they were beaten by a better player, or you know the number ofreasons that a player who lost might report that they actually won. You knowseems very high, so they they may nothat would acvually be a dmerit towinner reports because then Yououd report yourself as the winter justpointing that Ut. I guess you're right, but but I think I us, I think, there'sa lack of incentive to a report that you lost is more Soli. Yes, yes, yes,there's a lack of incentive to report that you lost shirt 'cause, you couldonly report loss. You couldn't report that your oppont at one right or youcouldn't report the? U N, in any case Um yeah. It was just really interesting tothink that you know- and I was a little worried about that, because I wasthinking like okay. Well, what? If my opponent just doesn't report kind ofout of spite right, because if we don't report in time, then we would both geta game lost, and so maybe they think that I didn't deserve the wind and theywould just not report and then there would be this whole issue. And thankfully that wasn't the case. Youknow I didn't run into that, whether or not that was just because you know Iplayed some m. You know people that would have known about the stream or UM whatnot, but or they're just goodsports. You know I I didn't play against anyone that I had any type ofissue with Han and that's really, I think, speaks to the quality of the thecommunity. We just have a really great community here in Pokmon, and I thinkthat's something that 'm I'm really proud of when I bring this game up topeople that are interested in it and people that are just getting into itand just like how good the community is. I think that was one thing that was ondisplay Um. One thing that I didn't like was, andthey solved this problem in day too, but just the time between rounds in dayone there was an absurt amount of time between rounds again, not like acriticism. I understand that there could have been a lot of variablesyou're dealing with you know, hundreds and hundreds of people M, but the rounds took almost double the amount of time that they weresupposed to take. And again I don't know what that reallymeans was that everybody reported at the same time did they have to like dothings manually? I don't believe so, but m you K again. I I'l give thebenefit of the doubt, but that was the biggest scriticcistm from day. One forme is that the Rauncjust took way too long and they actually advertised thatwe would be done at about five o'clock m eastern time started, started aboutnoon and ended about five whele. We started an hour late and then we endedaround nine or ten depending on if you went to the final round of competition,so that was a little bit of a drawback. Ithink Um for if anyone's listening to this- and they want to you know, starttheir own tournament or they're involved in a big big. You know largeform, community style tournament like this. I just wouldn't advertise time limits O now. I wouldn't Iwouldn't give anyone an expectation of yeah you'll be done by this time,because I think thereare just a lot of problems that inherently arise whenyou're trying to put out an event like this yeah. That's that's an interestingpoint like just not even bothering to advertise in the time of it yeah it Imean thes on when the wher therounds...

...are n down on its Ye H. exactly exactly. I think, that's actually a valid point.Um Ou! I do wanth to on the PLIPSIDE GIVprops, to t e to the pog folks for developing a lot of interesting discordtools like creating a a cool lock system thatcan track all this stuff Um. You know wherever the bottleneck was in day one.You know I. I think it was at least a valuable endeavor in terms of likemaking these interesting mechanisms to make the tournament run more smoothlyon the whole, so yeah yeah, I mean, I think I think alot of what what happened in Dayon was that you know. Probably everybody wasreporting at the end of the time, whereas in Daytoo you know you had tohigher caliber overall of players, and then you had a longer time to report.You know 'cause, there would be matches that would be done very quickly and youknow that could get input into the system earlier and so um you know.Certainly there are just some inherent differences between what is beingreported. They wanted to two but overall good tournament. I was veryhappy with how it ran. I was very happy to have participated an I was veryhappy that it was offered yeah. So I actually have a question for you havinghaving been in both day, one andday to of the online global championship. Do you think, in the online land case, specificallythat it is better to do best of one or best of three 'cause? The differentdays had had different styles to them? Yeah, the best of one was, was moresuited. Did you think Besta three still was like a better way to go about it.What are your thoughts there? Yeah? I mean best of three felt fine to meagain. I think you could probably get away with since the online format isjust really m quick, inefficient in certain ways in terms of like you know,shuffling or r restarting a match. You know you can get away with a lesseramount of time. I think for for Um, for that, like Y, I think you couldreasonably go down to like forty five minutes best of three in an onlineformat and then that's not Um. I don't think that's out of the Remalpossibility. I don't think we've seen that yet from any online tournament,but it's certainly something that people could try, whereas, like youhave that kind of pressure that you would in a in in an in person setting to you know,scoop a game early if you're getting down, but you do have enough time. Ithink in an online setting to fitfish three games in about forty five orfifty minutes, as opposed to the hour that we normally get in an on in inperson tournament yeah. So so, ideally best of one wouldsuffice just playing extra rounds. I didn't mind that for the first day ofcompetition, because you were just trying to get to a goal as opposed tohaving like the best, you know ratio, winds and losses, so they they PLA. Imean they definitely felt like two different tournaments um in that sense,where, like Dean, you're, just trying to you know, get to several winds andyou're done, and that day too you're trying to b have as many winds as youpossibe can't. So I think they both worked fine and they were just used fordifforent purposes. Yeah not sure I quite agree with the the vervage there,but I agree with the I gee with the sentiment behind theborerds. What do you GE t? I'm curious just theway you phrased it. It was a little off to me, but I I agree with what you mean fair enough. You' asically said you'retrying to get to as many wends as possible, toay. Well, okay, Oka. How O? How can Irephrase that so that people don't think I'm an idiot, um you're, justit's just a race. I there's! I don't know if there's agreat Wayi do, but I don't know: here's Gr. It's like it's like getting it'slike getting it just winds on the board, so you can get the the benchmark verses,trying to stand out as objectively. The best, I think is like yeah yeah yeah. Imean like misplays, don't matter as much an day one as they do inday too,because I was record overall, your record overall Anday one doesn't matteryeah I! As long as o get Wen s, you could be seven and oh and that'd bejust as good as seven and four um or seven and three or whatever it wasten rounds. I guess and then, as opposed to day too we're like you knowyou can you want that good t ratio and the misplace o ask yeah having themesces would be more valuable. I get campin it's like a Racio versus the thefinal count. I think its like what yeah yeah cool yeah, I think, on on thewhole, I'm excited to see how these online championships continue. I reallycan't forcee anywhere in the immediate future, any in person events,especially as WEU said before in the United States, where H, especially inthe wake of colleges, opening and bringing neck students like w. We got aways to go so soyeah absolutely, but I do want totake this time to plug that. We are working on adding more to the onlinelandscape. Um I've been in talks with...

Andemahon and full grip and Riley aboutproducing some type of Um Tournament for four people that want toplay, because there clearly is a lot of interest in doing this online formatand and participating, and so look for that in the coming days, something thatyou know the the Y N W another community outlet for Pogman Yeah Yeah. We spent a lot of timetalking about that. I think more than we intended to that's true cool. Well, there's one last thing Iwanted to talk to before we wrapped up season to of tag team and that is postRortation, so w we hit the edge tomorrow, I believe, is the Rdat ofrotation on Tcgo. So I just Wan to get a quick firing, ackof thought about rotation, yeah, let's, let's structure it alittle bit. So what's your favorite thing about rotation, you leastaverething and your number one decx choice, afterrotation. What's my favorite thing, yeah yourfavorite, maybe favorite thing that's leaving yeah, probably, and we werejust talking about how like intricate stall was, but probably just I meanjust saying goodbye to our Angroo and m what that does mean for alternate windcondition, architypes, because I think for the better part of of two years youknow Arangar was the kind of mainstay in a lot of these stall m millarchetypes. These alternate win, condition, archetypes and so to seethat leave the h. The format is kind of you know, I'm not one to be. You know very antagonistic aboutalternate wind conditions. I think they're very healthy for the game,especially when they are as high skill as we've you know, seen, but again, just to see it leave is isvery nice. I I think that card a broken. I think he anger is a brokencar. What about Thi thing you hate the mostto se. Go thing. I hate to see go is probably probably thundermountain Um. I do likethe lightning support and Um. I do think you know lightning doesn't maintain its it's its prominentplace in the medigame post rotation. I think it does occupy some place M, I'mxcited to figure out what that is, but Um you, the Los Omountain ne power,just really feel like a a a big loss. Yeah I've. I've reallyenjoyed playing lightning decks since, since those cards have been out soit'll be it'll, be sad to see him go and have out your current choice.postertation current choice. Well, we were talkingabout lightning Dix, but I really have been excited to have intalion rise tothe forefront, Um Yeah I wa. I was just saying how much I will miss lightningdecks, but at the same time, they're absence Atellio doesn't mean Tho at allyeah exacty. So I'm looking forward to to intalion Ithat was a deck that last format. You know. I guess this current format. Ifwe're talking you preirotation, I enjoyed playing, it was probably mylike mem ma, robe deck of choice, and I just really like putting a lot oftime into it, because I, like the snipe, I like the energy removal or denial-and I just felt really fond to me and so now with lightning getting a littlebit of a Nurfe should be able to compete. You know it's had its biggestenemies kind of taken out, so to be cool, to take it out aninteresting way of phrasing that, from the knees yeahit's like take a bigBilly Club in a sofa, Ga atelion honestly, as a Pokenon Intaliaain't got too much flag and Telaonis a cool voootl nit. Okay he's a littlesniper man, that's it I mean it's Kindo. I don't know if, if it, if it's reallyin good taste right now, but maybe not- I don't know you don't haveto think of it like that. Well, I mean it's. Okay, I digress. Ithinkwhat about you Ralig what? What a? What are the answers for you for thosequestions? It's funny because my answers are probably just like thereverse of what you said. I've stick a lihtning support. I thinkit's awful. I don't think it was very good carddesign Um, not that a ranger is good car designeUm, but I hate how much a pigeon hold thelightning decks. I ain't how much itoppressed anything tais weak tolightning, because you aren't just you were weak tolightning like times ofbillion because of electric power. You...

...know like they play two electric powers:Extra, a hundred and twenty damage yeah so like if you're a week to lightningyou could just be like rammed by some random, like Peica, chew and just die.Yeah Soi didn't like that Um. I thought I ermountain t was kind of a silly guard. Yeah. I think one like Cocoortundermountain is fine, but having a both at once, really just ramstacks utbeyond what I thought was reasonable, appropriate sure ut. I I am sad actually to see ringRugo, Um Okan and it's not just because of Mildai thought.It was like a very schooll intensive card. I put a lot of. It was a verythought, provoking gard have a lot of interesting like uses, and I I jus there's not like an immediateniche for alternate wind condext, especially with Belova, also rodatingor deaf IGA. Pein Ban yeahsue rotating Um. So I I just don't know like the futureof alternate. Whin conditions are- and I agree with you that, like having somesort of alternate condition is healthy, mean it forces you to be likethoughtful about how you're building decks and what you're going to playagainst as a a just thinking about like tight match. UPS and Um, like bashing your skullsin againstanother Vina Yeah, doing a lot of damage with the right type, and I haveexpressed a lot recently that I, I am not really a big fan of having thesegigantic Emac boke on just use. These relatively vanella attacks against eachother over and over until one of them dies Um, and so I I feel like it's kind ofunfortunate, that we're basically nixing off all of the support foralternate laconditions, yeah sure so and t I don't know if I'm more sadabout Arangu directly as much as I am just like, there doesn't seem like a there's, not like a route. You know,there's no, there's no wacky smacky as Har as I can tell right now, and thatthat didn't play Er anger, it's just a stall day right yeah I mean you, look at Thecidry,being kind of the torch bearer for kind of stall, but but rises. You know hastofo offensive,ysire yeah right right. Well, that's what I'm saying is like you look atthat as being like: okay, that's the future, but like the future's, not verybright for that kind of de Yeah, let alone the fact that the drive probablyisn't a Greah deck anyway, let alone the fact that yeah people still enjoyCento scorce for some reason, so you're going to just get bodied by theVulcanians right, yeah like I just I don't want any ca in the situationwhere I feel like I just have to choose a DT or my favorite colored vmac yeah,and I feel like that's the situation, the Gameis getting fighand hold down,and I'm not really. It's not like man me so over at least upset that I'm notlike excited to play the game, but it's just like it's less exciting to me thanif there were it. It's certainly very. It's certainly going to be verynoticeable yeah. I think I think the other car that I'll miss the most isfiery flint, because I really like gave us eone and ha a nough. That tick wasnot very skillful. You know there was a. There was likesome like sequencying with it yeah like compared to like mill. You know it wasyeah or like stall. I guess more appropriately. It was the more cillfulof it too, but right you even then like it was just a Fu. Ireally like tee, especially towards the end of the format. It Ran Dezefama thewall and I I loved so far and it's still round, but it loses oneof its most important. I would argue tools in viary, flint sn. I don't knowif there's immediat replacement that fils that nits very well Um. So is another thing: I'm sad toyo gowhat are what's the archetype that you're most excited to play an I'm mostasade to play. Just like I've mentioned the past couple of weeks, my favoritecolored EMAC, which is ateriis Um. I really like dark tige Tokem on. Ialways have I'm that Guy Youre that guy I p. I started off thegame playing darkehip. Now that evolved in he turbodark flashed our dragons, then ive played Zarar. You play Dork right.Hipnow was your first teck yeah. It was the first SEC I rebuilt. Oh, my gosh, Iwas sa a was yeah. I remember that when Thatdek was like ewere like Oh man,this could actually be good. You know got to get your hypnose. Oh believethat was the first one yeah at te go, but at really dates. Yo. I I didn'tyou're such a youngter. I am a youngster, but you know throughout myentire history, I went from Sarvno to term a Dar slashd Dour dragons ISORART.Then you know the dark. Nowdartis has returned. I Eur I even pushe for darkbox like harder than I probably should have to work, and so I am personally excited beforeaternive. It is a dark DYP Okman, which is sick. It is got a big old benchwhich is sick,...

...yeah Ian. That's really my too criteria. That's funny! That's really funny wow!It's aut great! Well as a time Ray. Let's open it up tothe floor here. Dan had something that he wanted tobring up about the Dan Battles, acounto money and I had a Dan battle, which issomething I advertise over on my twitch channel and Um da I's, where we play as many Dans aswe possibly can, and it's really just rock paper scissors through the lens ofPogman t, CG, O and h Dan crushed me counta money, just absolutely ObliteradI was I was. I swore that he was like looking at my screen, but I I he didHeidt alsohs right to lay likanaraly sure, yeah, there's a slightdelay exactly exactly. I don't think he was doing it because a lot of the timeswhen I would press my choice Ik, I would be immediately responded to, butuh it was just absurd. I went like six and twelve or like five andthirteen or something R, just ridiculously L. I have been known to bekind of a legend in rack, PA osers talk about our our Christmas r PS battle. Ihin it was like best of twenty one and I think you beat me it was like eleven to seven orsomething yeah yeah like fair, fairly handly, yeah e H, that's a substantiallead. I consider myself to be good, O R ps, so that only speaks to your yourstrength of character, D and power. That's what I'm saying so anyway andjust like destroyed me an I M, I'm not that salty, but I'm a little sulty, I'mwondering if your power somewhat lies in like a real world landscape. Whereyou can, you can have it your eyes digging into them right right, rightright, you can read the opponent, maybe a little bit more yeah e Yeah. I could be showering on fromNarato and, like your reading, O movements before they happened, yeah. That could definitely be true.That could definitely be true, and maybe it's just like the hype that Ineed like. I need an audience. You know it just doesn't feel the same when i'medoing it over a computer screen yeah with no one around me. Should we do like a quick virtual RPSbattle: okay, ready, Yeah. Okay, rodock paper scissors. She shootlate, you just waited so long. I don't. I didn't see what you had erd were throwing on Tokay. I heardokay ready rock paper scissors shoot. I cut your paper grow oding Ir Tese paperlike Rileys Wonou in the tag team championship or R B. I I've lost mytouch, that's sick! Very there fire flames, zero and chat, asking ifI'm keeping my post pandemic hair, probably yeah, I kinda like it a littlebit longer. I want a diet. That's my next adventured okay, you Shoa Di mydie Bon. You should digest the bond. Just we've talked about doing like alemon juice type thing. Lemon Jus, so open, yeah, Yeahi would love to have like dirty.Blon airs, O thi MM. Okay go so well Rilei. We are coming to the end ofour second season. Yeah come along way that we have. We have a lot of excitingthings in store for the next season, going to bechanging it up a little bit, not too much, but a little bit going to beandsome things um changing up the look a little bit so um yeah, just Tay tuned it is. It shouldbe great if you're listening to us on you know, spotify Izunes, H, Google podcasts wherever you G, your potcast pluse make sure to leave us a review.That's really helpful for other people to find us. So if you like the podcast and you think someone else would likethe podcast just let us now, you know leave that review and help us get theexposure that we need yeah. Absolutely so we appreciate you all. We love youas always thank you for the support through the first few seasons and wewill catch you on the next one peese see yo.

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