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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 41 · 1 year ago

3-41. Atrocious Podcast

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

AtrociousGameplay joins JW for this week's episode of Tag Team! Follow the two as they talk about content creation, PC4, Chilling Reign, and more!

Welcome back everybody. This is tag team, the POKEMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. I'm JW CREEWALL and normally I would say I'm joined by my good friend Riley homer, but today we have a special guess. Riley is away with work can't be with US tonight, but we have atrocious Jake, Jake, here in the studio with US tonight. Jake, introduce yourself. Hi, my name is a church is Gameplay, or Jake for anyone who may know me. I was going to try to pass off as Riley for the show, but you know, with the hat, the tattoos, the different camera angle like I've figured it probably wasn't going to end up working. So I'm glad you introduce me as Jake. I think that the the lighting like. I think if you squint you could get away with Riley. You know, I was just to just allow me to shave, maybe grow my hair a little bit. It's easy, easy. There you go. There you go. So Jake is with us here tonight. Thank you so much for joining me on the cast. I guess it's not he's with us, so maybe doesn't make a lot of sense because it's just me, but it's great to have you, somebody that has what you've been streaming now for how long? How long would you say you've been a part of the community, Pokemon community? And then how long would you say you've been streaming, because it's been like what a year and a half now at least. I started creating pokemon content two years ago, pokemon trading card game content, two years ago, when I graduated with my Undergrad degree, okay, in college, because I fun funny story. I had just stopped dating a girl who said that video games were unimportant. You know, I had been getting into twitch, and she was like, you can't make money that way, you can't make a living that way, and so I was like, you know what, I'm gonna play Video Games on on the Internet and have fun with people. And and here we are today. I'm not necessarily making too much trading card game content now, but I'm still playing the game, still following the game and just having fun with a with a bunch of people. Now, yeah, it certainly seems like it. You're definitely in that kind of morning time slot, which is when I catch you on online. It seems like you got a really good community brewing. I don't know a lot of people that are community but yeah, for sure, for sure, absolutely, and it seems like they all really enjoy that kind of regularity to their mornings. What what made you choose that kind of morning time slot, because I understand right now that you're pretty much a free agent in terms of job hunting. So what kind of draws you to the early morning crowd? I'm just curious if there's, you know, because you could stream if you're not doing anything else. You know, you can stream later in the day, can stream in the evenings, but the mornings, you know, waking up early and doing all that. What's your what's the motivation there? So, like the I actually started streaming at night back like when I have first graduated, you know, with my undergraduate degree. I started streaming more at night because, like you know, that's just typically, you know, turing the like one pm to to like eight nine pm, you know, eastern time, that's usually when a lot of people are on twitch. So like that's kind of one of the more beneficial times and so I was streaming that time. Then once I got started getting my master's degree, you know, in that fall, and started working, you know, my boss wanted me to go to the office and stuff, and I was working in sports. I was a sports information personnel, so the guy who does the live stats, writes the recaps, takes pictures, you know, I was doing all that, and sports usually happen at night, so in the mornings, you know, first thing when you wake up, you know, that's that's when I would be able to create content on twitch and do all that stuff and really just drink my cup of Joe with people. There you go. That sounds great, man, that sounds great. Now I want to talk a little bit atrocious game play, about how you came up with that name, because, and I'm curious if you would, if you were to go back two years, would you choose the same name and why? So, I came up with the name of Trocchio's gameplay because, like I mean, I've worked in professional esports. Before I was I was a rider for the Overwatch League, one of the teams, this shng Hi dragons. But, like, I'm kind've always been bad at video games, like especially your point and Click Games, or not point click, but like your call of duties or whatever, like sure, because I like all small muscle. Yeah, all that all that kind of yeah, yeah, I'm so bad at it. So it's just like if you can't, here's my thing, if you can't make fun of yourself, you can't laugh at yourself, nobody else is going to laugh with you. So, like, most people are also not professionals that video games. So like the name is easily relatable. It's a good like intro question for a viewer. You know, they're like, why is your name? Atrocious Gameplay, you know, they don't know how to start up the conversation. Or when you do like a raid somebody. Whenever you do raid,...

...someone's like, oh you your exact name is my game play, and that's like an easy connection that you can make sure someone's that joke right there. But I've I've had it in my mind. I'm like, you know, if I ever like go actually prone something, whether it's the trading card game or, you know, VGC or whatever I'm doing, like I'm gonna have to rebrand right, like well, that's the thing. That's like gameplay. Yeah, right, what if? What if you actually did get good? Yeah, like what would happen? Even if I become moderate, like let's say, let's say a top one bone and very show play, right. Yeah, like, I got to be honest with people. I can't fall as advertise. That's right. Yeah, no, that's that provides some very I'm curious decisions that you have coming up in the future, I'm sure. Well, so I'm just going to say I didn't expect to be streaming this long, but anyways, yeah, well, that's not fair enough. I mean, I'm just gonna say I hope that, for the rebrand Sake, you don't get too good because I mean, that can be a headache, right. Oh, yeah, having to change your name, having to change your you know, kind of identity, right, in a sense. So you've been streaming on twitch for, you know, a couple years now and and you're getting, you know, a following here. There's certainly, again, this community that you're developing in the morning streams that I see. What are kind of some other things beside streaming that you are involved and I know we were talking a little bit before the cast, but just for the listeners, what are some things that you're doing outside of outside of your stream life? So I actually video edit for content creators. So I whether it's a Youtuber, like a fulltime Youtuber, or twitch streamer. I help them create content on other platforms, you know, like, for instance, pekamn cast is someone who I edit for, is a full time pokemon streamer podcast. He's been doing a pokemon related podcast for like ten years now. Crazy stuff. I I help his. I help is Youtube Channel. So cutting up twitch highlights or we make unique videos and edited together. It's basically like I do the nitty gritty, because you know yourself, like editing is not the most fun or it's not always the most fun thing in the world. The like having someone else do it, especially when you're like someone like Steve that is in a lot of different places, you know, doing the podcast, they've got their own Patriot on, they've got, you know, instagram, Tick Tock, all that stuff. You know, doing a youtube channel. Could be very spread yourself then. So that's basically my role and a lot of what I do, especially right now that I don't have a sports job. Yeah, yeah, and you just graduated, like you said, with that master's degree, and remind me. What the is it like sports communications or what's the it's a master's degree masters of Science in Sports Management, source manager. Okay, so I don't know. I don't know why they attached science in there in sport management because, like, my degree is basically, you know, if you're running a high school basketball game or tournament, you know, you know you got to stock up the the toy the the bathrooms with toilet paper, you gotta got to put popcorn kennels in the in the popcorn maker. Like that's I don't know what it has to do with science, but you know what I'm at. It sounds impressive. Yeah, I guess. I mean maybe, yeah, you just got to think that. Well, I just hope somebody didn't think too highly of themselves when they you know, we're a professor in that degree. They're like, Oh, this needs to be elevated to the level. I mean, not that it's not important, but you see, my point is, like the sciences maybe deal with something a little different than what we're talking about here. I've been through the Bachelor's program, I've been through the graduate program. You know, I don't know what science there was because I had to take high school chemistry to be able to get my degree. That's the obvious. I don't really know, but yeah, I'm not going to question it too hard. That's right. That's right now. That's good. That's good. So with these other content creators's your you know, editing videos, you're doing your own thing. are what kind of concepts are you bringing over from these other content creators? Like we were talking before the cast. You know, you're working with Noel, Pink Favorite Vapor Gaming. You're working with PKMN CAST. Both, you know, one is maybe an established kind of big name in there in their sphere and the one is kind of a newcomer. Right, Noel riding the back of Tick Tock, I would say? Right, and you maybe have some kind of other opinion on that or view on that, but from what I've seen, you know, just getting really big on Tick Tock and kind of pouring that over into their twitch content. What are some things that you've learned from either these creators, or maybe even other creators, but certainly the ones that you've kind of worked directly with, like, do you take anything away from what they're doing and incorporate it into your stuff? So I think you know, if you're if you're a content creator, if you just try to do what you're doing and you're not watching other people, you're going to...

...fail. I don't think anybody succeeds by just doing it by themselves is accept if you're like the first person to do something right. So I always, you know, I'm always studying twitch. I haven't been watching them for a while because they're not really live anymore, but, like Devin Nash is a big name on like twitch and Youtube and stuff. They are considered like the industry person for or you know twitch, Youtube, social media things like that. They are the industry people. Yeah, that covers that stuff and gives and they have plenty of people to talk like. They had the guy who made prime gaming, who works at Amazon, like. They've had those people on. They do different talks at different universities about like content creating in the industry of it. And even though it has nothing to do with Pokemon, nothing to do with probably anything that by, you know, work and stuff like that, it's it's helpful to me because it helps me grow in all of those aspects working in content creation and then like doing my own content. Yeah, and one good example that you can bring from from Pekam and cast or Pink Vapor Gaming or purple cliff. A lot of people know, may know who that name is. You Know Jack Old Time Pokemon player now does like nuzz locks and stuff. All those people jumped up and got huge because they brought people in from another platform. Like, yeah, one of the biggest mistakes that a lot of twitch streamers make when they first casually start streaming, like I did, is they just want to do twitch. Sure, you know twitch is not a discovery platform. You know, there's a reason why they put all the people with like zero to one viewers at the bottom when they bring someone in. When someone goes on twitch for the first time, they want to go to Canada, they want to go to something that's kind of already established, somebody that you know it's presumably knows enough about what they're doing to have a following. Yeah, like, if you bring someone in, you know what's safe for for twitch, giving someone to tim the Tatman, who is an established dreamer, one of the biggest ones. Forty Fivezero people knows what he's doing. Or is it Joe Schmello that just started streaming the other day? Nobody knows anything about them. He's probably doing something that breaks to Os, right, and what's the better experience to keep someone on that platform? So, yeah, constantly studying other people yeah, you know, and what they're doing. You know, not only watching the big people but also the small people. You know those. I've got a bunch of five year people that I watch, but there's some of them do something really well, but you always got absolutely it. It's very interesting that, you know, you're bringing up Purple Cliff, Pink Vapor and their success on, you know, Tick Tock O, the platforms. I'm bringing it over because it seems to me like some of the most successful, at least some of the most recently successful pokemon trading card game players have been solely on twitch. And I think of two recent partners in in Pumpka a me and Sunichi Pedro, and those are two players that I don't believe, and I could be wrong, probably about amy, I don't know much about her. Kind of external, you know, twitch offerings, right, but that don't to me. I you know, have like bigger followings off of twitch. I'm just curious if, if like what had disconnect is, I guess, between the Pokemon Tcg community and maybe other communities that you are seeing people, you know, growing and getting partnered that are doing twitch just as a ptcgo platform, just twitch there, versus some of these other things. Well, I think twitch is a I think twitch is in terms of the POKEMON trading card game, is a good place for people to be to enjoy content, and the reason for that is because you can directly ask someone like a zulgg question. You know, Zoul is very, very good at reading chat is. He answers most questions that aren't stupid. You know, like he answers most questions that come in and chat and so like having night interaction is real good. But a lot of what you see, so like Pedro and a me, they don't do necessarily a lot of things outside. Amy Does like Tick Tock and stuff. I mean she hasn't jumped up to a million like Jack has or no. Well, yeah, but she still like does good stuff. And and Pedro being like a professional player. Yeah, you know, that really, really helps. You know, Jw you you have excellent accolades. You know, after you won your last regional, you know, I had noticed that you had a of spike and viewership. Sure, no, like right after you won that regional and that stuff like that impacts you know, like because there's two reasons that people follow a twitch streamer. In my opinion, they want to learn something or they like the community that they're in. Sure, you know, and and especially for a Mey, she does...

...a little bit of both because she had hears a lot to the more casual players like Andrew Mahone does, I think Andrew at Tricky Jim is very good at adhering to a casual community show players, like teaching the basics and things like that. And Amy, amy took that by the horns and she's a she's a wonderful human being, just like a lot of other careers that we got in and they've they've excelled. Pedro is one of the more charismatic people that I've ever met and I think he I think he's a gemstone before people really started to watch his streams consistently. Yeah, I think the I think the morning switch, because he used to do like, used to do like after I would stream in the mornings, that usually when he would be on. Sure, yeah, but then recently, in the last couple months, he switched like to a more earlier session. Yeah, in the mornings for a lot of his like non tournament streams, and and he's he's jumped up. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I, like you said, they're both just great people. You know, if you don't know about these two streamers, which which should by now just fantastic human being. So I, like wish them even more success than they've already had, which I'm sure is coming in their future. But let's talk about something that seems to be a trend, and that is kind of a trend with you, I think even you would say, where you're switching away from the trading card game. We've seen this, maybe most notably with with purple cliff, whom we've already mentioned, who was a Pokemon TCG player for a long time, reinvented themselves as a nuzz locker and has seen incredible success. We have no well, who did primarily pokemon trading card game, moved away from that pretty much entirely, as far as I've seen, over the last few months, and is now doing like anime stuff or indie games or kind of you know, just different games in general. And then we've also seen, you know, someone like Sierra Dawn, who was a Pokemon TCG player almost exclusively about a year and a half ago, maybe two years ago, switched away from that entirely to do video game. And there are few others that that maybe you could speak to. But what do you think about this shift? I guess you have your own experience in there included. So, like why do you think these players make this shift away from the trading card game into these other games and then become much bigger? So I think there's a couple different factors with that. So the first one, I think, is kind of the most obvious in the the format has is not the same as what it used to be. Right, I think you say like since the day we've heard this all the time, like the tag team ares come in and and Pokemon's just been different. I didn't necessarily play before the TAG team are, but I've watched a lot of videos and played in some retro tournaments and heard of a lot of people talk like the it's Pokemons just different now, right. HMM. Yeah, and so that's that's one of the reason that people like even myself, you know, I after like rebel clash hit man. It was it was hard to play the game every day, you know, especially for five hours on stream. It was hard to enjoy that time and not get frustrated hitting ATP every other time on the ladder. Sure, right, and and not saying that I don't enjoy the game anymore, but now is just a time where myself and like Noel and Jack like explore different identities that we had, you know, not just the POKEMON trading card game, but for Noel, jumping into like Dongon rope and do an anime stuff, you know, and because she loved that stuff before. So like why not jump into that identity as well and like just just piddle with it? Pit'll paddle with it. And then Jack Dac is the most entertaining content creator that I've ever seen. You know, he sure he he could make the POKEMON trading card game like exciting. Well, that's saying that me. He did, I. But that's what kind of a little bit of my point, though, is like a lot of what he did he did like he didn't change a ton, you know, he just did it in a different context, because he was still doing these kind of overthetop game like he was. He was funny, you know, three years ago, right, and he was kind of the only person doing that in the TCG. But it almost felt like what was holding in back was the trading card game, you know, and now that he finds this different audience he can flourish with what he's doing. Like it's almost it's kind of a funny line, like it's weird that there's not, you know, this kind of support for what he was doing when he was doing it in the trading card game. And like the final, the final kind of point of like that I'll bring of like people jumping off that I've noticed as like the POKEMON trading card game is just a super low ceiling in terms of like viewership and things like that. So, like right now, if you look on twitch at the POKEMON trading card game online right,...

...because that's where all the players go, is the online one? Yeah, it has eight hundred and or, I'm sorry, six hundred and eighty nine viewers. Yeah, not a lot of people. Not a lot of people watching. You know, most people that like the card game similar to what like just pokemon cards are right now. Most people just like opening. Should know, three over threezero people watching the trading card game in the opening, you know. And you look at sword and shield for thousand two hundred people and I can't imagine, you know, the different anime categories. I don't know this off the top of my head without like just googling them right now. But, like the anime is super popular, you know, not only in English but in like Japan as well. So, like you connect to a much broader like the how do I put this? The content creating in the POKEMON trading card game is very adhere to WHO's on at the time. Right. So I streamed in the mornings. I streamed before tricky Jim Stream so I could get like, I could get like seventy people watching in the morning, you know, like just watch and watch and watching. But then I knew exactly when Andrew would go alive. Yeah, and as soon as Andrew would go live, I drop down to like twenty people. Yeah, nothing wrong with that. No, no harm to Andrew. You know, I love his content. He does great. Love it. It's just people watch who they want to watch. And, you know, when your favorite streamer comes on or whatever, everybody goes to that. So, like if and the same goes for out afterwards to you know, in the morning, nobody's going to raid me. Right, sure, nobody's awake. Sure, no, but instead I rate into tricky Jim, or I rate into Pedro or I rate into a zool. No, but if you go afterwards. You know, kind of like that late afternoon, early night section. You could get a raid from tricky Jim, you could get a raid from you. You know, you can get away. You can get a rate of these bigger creators. You know, gazerbeam is an excellent example. So gazer beam super cares amount of guy, great dude. Absolutely love him. You know, I was watched. I would watch him a lot late at night and he he has like, you know, fifteen people watching. He's great, he's awesome. He scars Mani. He's really good. It's got a really good community that he's built. And then one day he gets raided by Jack, gets ready by the cliff. He's got like seven hundred people in and he's a charismatic guy. So people stay and so he's got this high viewership and then he's at the top of the category. So now the POKEMON trading card game people that are coming in, they want to want someone to watch. They they start clicking on him because he's the first one that POPs up. People don't scroll down the category. People just look at the first three or four people. Share at the top. Sure, and so then those people started to stay. Now he's averaging. I think lately I've seen him at like forty five to fifty people average. You know, after that, after that raid, you know, months later, and it's it's it's that thing too, you know, in the in the trading card game, I feel like you either have to like win a regional or you have to get a big rate. Sure, sure, yeah, yeah, absolutely, and that's that's that's stuff and it's it's hard to stick, but yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's very interesting to though. Like recently I've been thinking a lot about numbers and like how having you know, and I'm sure you think about this too, but it's like sometime and in a lot of cases, the viewership number or the outward facing number, it's not necessarily indicative of, you know, maybe how much success you're having or or how much, you know, I mean money, you're making, if we want to put it into like that kind of terminology. Having a deep community is oftentimes a lot more important than having a wide community, and I'm wondering if you, you know, have experienced that as well in your journey. Yeah, so I'm not going to pull up specific numbers, but, like I am someone that averages thirty people right I'm someone that in the month of June I've averaged thirty people here on twitch. I for the last six months, I've every single month I've had over two hundred subscribers. Yeah, right, and that and I don't want it to buy own home or like. That's a pretty good number, or someone that doesn't have like two five hundred followers. Yeah, and it's because of like that knit it community thing. You know, when I'm shiny hunting on twitch, I have I'm very easily able to just put the game on the screen and instead watch twitch chat and talk to twitch chat. Oh, Sally, you know, how's your how's your family doing? Jerry, you had surgery last week. Like how you feeling, man or like yeah, you know, Timmy, you just got interviewed the other day. Have you heard back? You know, from your job? And it's I like interacting with people. I'm a I'm a social guy. So, like the trading card game, you could be like really interactive and stuff,...

...but like, you know, when you're in a tournament, like you're you're trying to focus on winning and stuff. So, like, I I think that community building is huge. I think that, you know, your community drives your content per se. You know, when I when I have a big moment, you know on twitch, I know that people are going to peep who are going to retweet it. You know people are going to like the pictures. I've got like fifteen people that I can call top my head that like a lot of my tweets. Sure, regardless of what it is, sure, you know that live tweet every day. This is something that I think a lot of people should do, is when you make a live tweet, you know, saying Hey, I'm live, I'm doing this Xyz, have a tab open of twitter, and then whenever one of your community people like it, even if they're there, if you know they're there or you don't know they're there. Yeah, you know, say thank you. Be Like Hey, Jerry, thanks for liking my live tweet today. Yeah, like you know, hey, Sally, thanks for retweeting me today or leaving a nice comment. Yeah, you know it it's it's one of those small gestures that not a lot of people think about, even though it seems really obvious that that like goes a really long way. Yeah, I agree, being personal right, because that's what that's what people want. They go into a twitter stream and they want to feel like a you care that they're there and be that you are willing to interact with them. Right, and so I lets obviously you have to establish boundaries, right, like I'm not giving people my address. You know where I live. But like, yeah, you want them to feel like at home, right, like in a discord server, you know, when somebody posts that they pull alternate art shadow, Callie Rex B Max, you're like pog dude, like like exactly, I'm that you sharing that joy. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And speaking of interacting with the honest, we got a few questions on the twitch stream. So I got one here ten timee says, just wondering what your thoughts are on Tick Tock. But I, and all the people I know, I think it's pretty cringe. What are some responses to that, Jake? So Tick Tock is I also think tick tock is kind of cringe. Tick Tock is very trendy. It's very it's very oriented towards trends, you know, but tick tock is is powerful. So Jack Purple Cliff, for anyone who doesn't know, he would go from like when he was playing the trading card game before he took his hiatus you know, to betterest mental health and and then jump back on. You know, with nuzz locks, he was getting like a hundred and twenty, like ninety two, a hundred twenty people per stream. Then he blew up on tick tock doing nuzzlocks and then he now averages like over a thousand people every single stream. It's it's a little bit different because, like when you have a thousand people spamming Keck w like it's very hard to interact with chat. Yes, you know, during that time. I don't think Jack necessarily knows, like I watch them a lot still and I re stub and stuff. I don't think he I don't think he really sees me, and that's surely okay because I like get that. But yeah, Tick Tock is very powerful because it's very short form content and you get a lot of people in. And the thing about tick tock as well is even if somebody follows you, you know, and they they enjoy your content the first time, especially when you hit that one thousand, you turn and on your twitch live stream, you put your phone pointing at you, you go live on tick tock as well. It's not the same screen, it's not the same game. Play. It's just you right. So you're not breaking twitch to US and multi streaming the same thing at one time. Yep, but you just say every like fifteen minutes or so. Hey, if you're watching this on Tick Tock, I'm live interacting with people on twitch because it's super easy and it's Super Fun. We got a lot of people here. Would love to see you. You know, absolutely just giving those IQs and twitches again. Is All about bringing people from another platform. There's so many people that scroll on twitch every single night, you know, before I go to bed. Yeah, Scroll fifteen minutes on my FYP row. Tick Tock is a dangerous thing, man, because it is suck you in and it'll just spit you right back out, and it is a super easy place because the algorithm is the algorithm is like you didn't saying Saroids. It's insane. It's you. You like one thing about tattoos. You know, all of a sudden you're in your tattooed guy, your tattooed guy now. Yep, I I I'm a Tattoo Guy. I like anime and somehow I've moved on to anime, tick, anime, tattoo tip top, like literally every day I'm scrolling, I'm seeing anime tattoos and I keep setting it to myself and I'm like, Oh God, I got another one on my list that I need again. And now to further it, you just said those words out loud, Anima and Tattoo. So that's, you know, getting picked up surely by some you know, some Amazon Google thing that's listening to you and that's feeding it all. And yeah, it's crazy platform and, like you said, and like these videos, that you're just getting...

...way more views on this platform than any other one. And I don't find, frankly, like I find the longer I've watched the I feel like, and maybe this is the algorithm telling me so, but the the content creators that I've seen have gotten older. So I started watching tick tock maybe six months ago, like certainly in the pandemic, like I'm a Newbie in the sense of what Tick Tock is and how long it's been around. But yeah, and like six months I've definitely seen, you know, when I first started it was maybe a little more younger creators. Now I'm seeing like Dad's and moms like making take. So I feel like there is that platform for kind of, you know, older people that really don't view it as as cringe. They viewed as kind of, you know, fun, interesting, exciting ways to interact with people that they otherwise wouldn't. Yeah, I mean I thought the same thing, like for for the longest time I was like I'm not going to get tick tock, like tick tock is just une junior, right, it's not as good as vine was. And then you jump on it and then that algorithm gets you. You know, even if you're even if you're forty year old parent, you get into parent tick Tock. A lot of that stuff, a lot of those jokes then become relatable about like your kids, and yeah, stuff like that, and it's tick tock is dangerous. That's what I'm going to say. Really agree. It's it's great. It's a good algorithm that like, can really help you grow like youtube or instagram and stuff, because there's such an influxive people, because when you hit that FYP, when you hit that for you page Algorithm and people just start liking and liking and liking and liking and liking, you know, if you can get them on to another platform, you know that's awesome, because people on Tick Tock. Here's the thing is, seventy five percent of the time that people are on Tick Tock, statistically, they're on the for you page. They're never on the following page. Sure, JW, when you scroll on Tick Tock, do you go on the following page? No, not really. Yeah, if they're gonna, if I'm going to find somebody, because I do follow enough people, right, but and I follow them because I want to. But yeah, I'm usually on the for you page because I'm like, I'm maybe I'll get a new hit of Saratonin that then also sprinkle in it, right, and also sprinkling maybe a few that I already know, you know, some comfort spots, especially because the for you page also can show people that you're following right. So a lot of times you don't even realize, you know that that you're on like the FYP is the only thing that you're thinking about. And so, right, that's another reason why tick tock is just it's really good. It's really it's crazy. It's crazy. So, okay, this is this is kind of gonna gonna be our last talk about the content creation and then the last question, I should say, and I we're going to move into some some card of the day which you have, and then some pc for and chilling rand stuff. But who is like your favorite Tick Tock Er? And it doesn't have to be, you know, pokemon related at all, like I'm just curious, like who do you if you could only watch one person's tick tock for the rest of your life, who would it be? Oh Man, I would that's a really tough question because there's a lot of people that I usually watch. I would say like a trend, baby, that I would watch. I don't have like a specific person, okay, but I would say a trend is the adult swim trend. I thought that the adult swim trend was actually one of the most intriguing things to pop up because not only was it just crazy free advertising for cartoon network and like their adult swim program yeah, but like also the creativity with it all. There were so many different ways. Like every time I saw an adult swim one, none of them felt the same right. It was pretty crazy. I it's it. That was probably my favorite trend to ever come up. Yeah, it was a good one. I Love I love some of those, but like some of them were a little corny or a little poorly done. But, like I'd say, the mass, vast majority, were unique in some way and intriguing, very intriguing. It is relatable because we're at the demographic that probably watched adult swim. Definitely I like cause, yeah, it was like so much. I saw the I saw the you know, the flashbacks to like, you know, Thirty D I. You know, you just got done watching like what the boon knocks and whatever, and then and then you get an adult swim and then it's like to Namias on it. You know, it's so good, man, it's so good. So definitely hits that Nostalgia Nostalgia Bug. Great. Well, it sounds like you're doing great things, Jake I. You know, I'm excited for you, just in the future of content creation, whatever that is, if it's if it's your own, if it's creating for other people, if it's doing a mix of the two, just excited to see where you can go. Let's turn our focus to the cards now and Jake, you have a card of the day for us. So card of the day. We always do this segment here on tag team...

...where we just choose a card. It can be any card. Card that's all the card that's new a card that's good, at card that's bad, but just some card that has a relation to you. So, Jake, take it away. What's your card of the day for us? So, for anyone who doesn't know me, I am obsessed with full art supporters. It's the best type of POKEMON trading card game card in my personal opinion. Just the beauty of the characters in the game is just incredible. You know, it's not like the sun and moon, you know, Gx full arts that were just that bland, just one color. You know, there's a lot of cards that have the Bizzazz, some sparkles, you know, just absolutely beautiful combinations of color. So my card of the day is going to be my first ever full art supporter card that I got and that is break points Skyla, m kind of an older card and x and Y, but it was the I actually have it right here as the first one I ever got back at ANA. I see two thousand and nineteen, so the first time I ever sold for order. Yeah, they've done what. This is their third iteration now of skylah. Yeah, I don't have the black and white one because that one is expensive. How we all expensive of it here. Is it over a hundred dollars. Now I think got to be right at a hundred dollars. Okay, it's it's all. I mean black and white. I kick myself for not buying black a hundred and seventy eight dollars, very expensive, but I was, I'm kicking at myself like a year and a half ago, you know, I was going to buy all the black and white supporters and now, like Bianca and guy liked, they're all expensive. Unbelievable. Oh my gosh, that is like some of the there's some of the pokemon singles from like black and white on that I've really just like jumped up in price. Like robad V is like probably going to be the cheapest ever been right now. Yeah, just pokemon singles in general for like standard or just super good in my opinion. But those black and white polar supporters and some of those early x and wise are just whole cheese. Yeah, dumped, I hear you. Yeah, I mean it's crazy, like the market for those cards because, yeah, they were pretty cheap, or at least reasonable for a long time and then they just shot up like a hundred, hundred fifty percent in a few months time. It's crazy stuff. That is a beautiful are though. I think they they do a really nice job, I think with the full art supporters of Yeah, just bringing that new dimension to the character right, because you have these supporters, we're right there the picture. If it's just the little picture, half and half text and picture like, I don't know, you get you get a much. I mean, I guess it's the same with the Full Art Pokemon, but you get this much more dynamic picture of who this trainer is or who this this person is in the game, and I think it, you know, humanizes them a lot more and it brings a lot more personality to the to the trainers. There's a reason why eve heroes has an absurd amount of you know, those secret rare alternate arts and stuff like guys, because they that's what brings in the buck and they're beautiful. They're all they are eyeing indeed. Well, that's a great card of the day. I'm a pretty shate that one, Jake. Thank you all right. So let's turn our attention to Players Cup for we're just going to do a quick overview on this because there are some things that, you know, we should talk about. We just had players Cup for kind of first round, you know, over the last week and there are it's in the old format, of course, because the new cards have just been released, so they weren't legal for the tournament. But what were some things that you saw here coming out of what were some trends you saw coming out of you know that that regional phase, they call it the first phase, we get a cut to top sixteen players and each of these brackets of North America, Latin America, Europe, Oceania, we had a number of notable player. There's in North America, Josh Sutherland, nine and Oh in North America with the Luke metal deck he calls a broken luke metal. He's been playing this for most of the season. Season I would say that he's probably the authority when it comes to this deck. has played a ton of events, done really well and most of them. We got Alex Shamansky coming in at number three seed with an eight one record with mad party of all things. Danny El Tavia, again eight and one. Those are kind of three of the top four very notable players. Give me some, you know, kind of kind of trends that you saw, some things that you were maybe interested in when you saw their their deck, or maybe just general trends that were like, Oh yeah, that makes sense or oh my gosh, how how do we let that happen? How do we let formad party consist of, you know, how do we let mad party take four spots amongst the top, you know decks? Just just give me kind of your thoughts on how the regional top sixteen phase went. So I am most intrigued by North America and Latin America because each of them had a mad party and a Single Strike Ershy Foo v Max. You know, it's single strike. Erschy Foo v Max is the only deck that I actually want to play in this format. I just I love the acceleration through...

...hound doom and things like that. So that intrigues me the most because, you look, I mean especially if you can get, you know, the like either a turn one to impact blow or you can set up a couple hound hours like. That deck is a little bit tough to stop sometimes times, you know, if because it can just knock out pretty much anything, and especially since peak a ram is still a really good deck. Mew Two is still running around, you know, now that we're in these v Max has, you know, to forty on a peka Ram is not that much. Roman like two hundred and seventy autumn youtuo is not that much. So that second attack on the Ershi food be Max is pretty good. And I think two single strike her she foo has like a relatively good matchup with rapid strike, especially if you have something like a mew on the field. So thence rapid streiker she who was very good deck. It has several different archetypes, you know, the Chinchino Build, the more like nets build, like straight up build. I think that these single strike players, you know, Marco Bertrand and then Gabe Shum Way, I think. I mean I wouldn't be surprised to see them going a little bit farther in the tournament, maybe not winning the whole thing, but going a little bit farther, as a lot of people may think. Yeah, absolutely. It's very interesting how this kind of single strikers food deck is is really much really a lot about the hidden miss of the format, because I think if you're playing against you know, one prizers, you're really not going to have a good time. But yeah, in that mad party, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just it's kind of over because you just can't quite keep up with with the you know, the pounding that you're going to get right. But, like you said, like you brought up, you know, the tag teams fall perfectly into those numbers that the single strike can hit. You know, you got that second attack doing too hundred and seventy base and then you know you're accelerating the energy and you're getting more damage and so you can get through any kind of you know, damage modification that your opponent puts on. You know, if they're putting big charm or something on, you know you're blowing right through that with a couple of energy. So single strikes certainly very interesting. I was very intrigued by the by the mad party man, like, who would have thought you're telling me for people chose to play mad party and you are four people got into the top sixteen total. I guess top sixty four. I guess we combine all the regions for Players Piloted Man Party. I that to me is absurd, because one of the things that I really struggled with with mad party was just getting those consistent early games and wasn't really the late game that concerned me. Right, because if you made it to the late game. You probably had enough stuff in your discard pile to hit for those at least two shots, if not one shots on some of the tag teams. But just crazy that you have these mad party list that we generally thought weren't, you know, maybe the strongest that are making it so far, and I'm really curious to see how that pans out. I mean, you look at the players playing it too, like Alex Chamansky. You could probably give Alex fifty nine dark energies and a Guzz Lord and he'd still find a way to make top sixteen the North America. You know, you have these incredible players piloting as well, with like single strikers. You food these like he's like decks that a lot of people would consider like Midtier, you know, and they're definitely not tier one or anything like that, but because of that high level of play, you know, and high capabilities and skills, they could take a deck pretty far, a lot farther than a lot of people think. You know, Josh Sutherland, like we mentioned, is a very good luke metal player, but there's not a lot of Luke metal in the field in any of these top SIC scenes. But Josh I mean he's been playing a day and day out just about every single tournament. You know, I agree with you in that he's probably the best Luke metal player that we've got. The high like Concho's not exactly, and this resolved, you know, just goes to show that fact that he good players playing their favorite decks will do well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think that's that's huge. That's your Josh certainly plays into that. What I generally suggest to people, especially newer players, it's just if you're going to choose between a deck you think is, you know, good but you haven't practiced with, or a deck you think is, you know, maybe okay for the metal, but you've practiced a ton with generally speaking, you know, I'm going to tell that player to go with the deck that they've practiced, you know, and that they know inside and out, because you have your strategies all kind of lined out, you have you know, you know exactly what to do in every situation. And certainly Josh, you know, play it on his experience, played on other people's inexperience in that matchup to go very far, and so I'm very excited to see where he finish shoes. Yeah, we should be getting here another phase over the weekend. Are there any thoughts that you have on what kind of might rise to the top? Even let's just take North America. If you had to take this field with these...

...decks, who would you pick in terms of making a top? For I'M gonna take on single strike. I mean it's kind of a long shot. I know I just kind of exposed that I'm a single strike fanboy, but I mean, like again, looking at the field, you know there's several Peaka Rams, there's, you know, some mewtwo's, there's rapid strike her she foos in a lot of places. A turnitus like a lot of decks that single strike can beat. You know, Lucaro Melmtal is another good example. The two hundred and seventy gmax one blow, I think it's called. That hits through all of Luke metals, like abilities full metal wall and stuff like that. It hits through all that. So I think it's actually a decent matchup again as well. But the thing is if they hit Alex Mansky playing mad party or even like Vic Teeney, kind of gives a little bit of a problem because Victini Max victory can one shot Your Hers, She Foo v's. You know, I think that might stop Gabe, at least in North America, to making that top for or that big final, big final moment Brackett that they'll cast and show on Pokemon site, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it and in those top spot pots, to be honest. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. Well, players come for we will be eagerly awaiting kind of results from that and as we get closer to having a global finals, of course it pairs down to the last for an each region, and then those four create a group of sixteen that I'll playoff for for the five thousand dollar Grand Prize. Let's move away from Players Cup for now and go into chilling rain. So chilling rain, of course, that new set that has everyone talking. We are so excited about chilling rain here on the cast. Chilling rain has brought a ton of just new ideas, fresh ideas, a lot of new archetypes, but also a lot of updates to old archetypes, which has been really refreshing. I think we miss something there with certainly with vivid voltage. I think a lot of people would agree that was kind of a down set for the trading card game and then battle styles was a step in the right direction. You know, we got rapid strike, single strikers, Chaffu lists, but not a ton else. But now in chilling rain I think it's kind of busted the door wide open. We're seeing things like we vile gx with the multris being put into eternitys builds and just doing very well. We're seeing just updates to kind of these old decks. We're seeing the new callie REX's just kind of tearing it up. What are some decks that you're really enjoying right now in or at least if you're not playing them, that you're enjoying watching Jake, I've been really enjoying Calie Rex v Max, the shadow want. Well, I've been enjoying both of them. I really like the water, the ice one, the ice ice rader shadow rider. Shadow riders really interesting because of the different ways that you can build it. Show you could you could do it like the trevdant dust or style. You could do it by itself, you know it just a shadow Cali ricks writer attacker or like how Andrews doing it before the set released you can do without Cremy v Max. Like there's a couple different ways to kind of style how you want to play in that and I find that to be super intriguing and also how it's revitalized a turn itis a little bit. You know, especially now, if you look at the chill series right now that's going at the time of this recording, you know, a top four spots in round nine are three out of the four our turn it as players. So that's like, that's super incredible because the number of people that like playing the shadow Cali ricks writer and just like with chilling rand and done in general, bringing a bunch of different decks, you know, a new pairing with that Intelli on to the rapid strike or she foo. You've got bliss e V. I know people have been hype in that deck as of lay like Celios and a zul and things like that. Yeah, just having a ton of fun. The blazekins are ore. You know, Pedro's been trying that a lot lately and there's been some peaks here and there about stuff like that, and yeah, it's pretty it's spent a lot of fun. It's been a ton of fun. Yeah, so if you go jake to like an in person league or tournament, because, I mean that's on the horizon for us. We're seeing it in magic where they're coming back to organize play and I think pokemon might be next. But what would you bring? What would be the archetype that you would take, that you, you know, spend the money on, drop the money on to go to a tournament with? I think I would honestly buy Malamar v Max Right now. Oh my God, I think Benny Fernandez, I think it was that I saw, has been playing a little bit of Malam r vmax and did really well with it the other day. And with Malam R v Max, you know that's a card that, like you said it yourself, like, oh my gosh, like people who kind of forgot about Malivar Vax. I can't even...

...call like what said. It came out in yeah, so you could probably get these cards real cheap, right with me balling on a budget. I need cheap decks, you know. I could usually only have like one or maybe two IRL decks by borrow some cards for my buddy. I hear you brow and I think you could have a lot of fun with Malamr Vmax or even like the new rapid strike Malamar. If you, if you, if you like the squid from the back in like two thousand and eighteen and two thousand and nineteen. You love the squid. You want to keep playing the squid. Boom, there it is, right there. There's two decks that you could love right there and honestly, like you can win gates with them. You can names, you might you might not top like a regional or, you know, like a a hundred Person League Cup or whatever, but like I at local league five dollar by run the table with something like that. I mean you think about Malam RV Max is being like, you know, you get to look at your opponents hand, to take one card out like that's very powerful and now you know kind of one of the main things I was holding it back. That maybe makes it okay in the expanded format was just like energy acceleration, and now we have that. We have that like Urn moultras is huge for the deck because you in two turns you can get for energy on the board. Right you attach, you get a Multis, you attach, you get multrass, and now all of a sudden you're telling me on turn to you could have that attack going, you know, maybe drop a path of the peak. Who knows? Get rid of your opponent's only draw supporter like that's pretty insane. So, yeah, I feel you when I when I hear that you're saying Malamrv Max. I mean the one thing that was really holding it back was just a lack of acceleration. Now I maybe had cannon expanded like it's got dark patch. You know, it was a some it was a somewhat relevant. I can expanded because, like dark patch, you know that energy acceleration Max a lick, sir, that's what it's called, right, the Maxilik, sorry, left Max certain sort. I don't you got. I'm not as good at expanded as you are, JW, winning those expanded regionals, but I like a I think expand. It's a wild ride. But yeah, now that Glarin moultrases here, as you said, like Molt RV Max, is better, it's playable. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Got Pat to the peak, which is an incredible card. It's yes, Ay, yes, it is quite good, quite good, well trigued when rotation happens in chaotic swells, gone, you know, at to the peaks. I know relevant. I'm in a lot of them, of course. Of course. One thing that I'm a big fan of is kind of a meme deck. So last kind of chilling rain question is like what is your favorite meme deck that's come out of the set? My favorite me, I don't know. Can I consider blissy via meme deck is that? Is that okay? Well, I think it hasn't won anything yet, or as far as I know, it hasn't placed like top four yet in either two tournaments. I could be wrong on that one. Somebody fact check me. We the guy in the bed hasn't one. It hasn't won a tournament, but like it's doing all right right now and chill. It's like it's fifteen within nine rounds. But like, I just find that deck to be a lot of fun. Yeah, I was. I've watched CELIOS's videos, watching a zull play it today for a little bit. It just it. It looks like fun. I like the fun decks. It's and it's a great one for newer players. I feel like to you know where it's. It's not. You know, it takes a little bit of time to ramp up, depending on if you're playing it. kind of the Solo variation. Or if you're playing it with with poor Egon, then of course you can get up these just massive numbers real quick. But certainly one of those things that I would feel very comfortable introducing somebody to the POKEMON trading card game through the vehicle of Blissy V. I find it to be just a great card for that, you know, just very simple, makes sense. You do more damage, the more energy got accelerate to yourself. That's cool. Yeah, it's who I think it's a lot of fun. Yeah, absolutely well. Thank you so much, Jake, for this time. This was this is great and I felt like I got to know a little bit more about you personally as content creator and, you know, we got to we got to channel a little bit about pokemon cards, which is always nice. Any thing you want to plug before you know, we let the FAT Ladies Sing. So I would say it's just kind of weird, but I'm going to plug my podcast. I you know about this podcast. I do the Meta pod podcast with Gyroshan. It's a POKEMON trading card game podcast as well, but it I would say that we style it a little bit more towards like news, you know, so when things get announced things get released in Japan, you know, whether that's products or trends that we're seeing. You know, shot and I taught. We still talk about the metal a little bit, but we like to. We liked we're both collectors ourselves, you know, collecting specific things, so we like to talk about that as well, and we know that a lot of our audience has geared towards that. So you can find us there every Tuesday release and that...

...could be your Tuesday podcast. And also I tream on a Chrochio's gameplay. If you just like having a good cozy time with coffee, you know, we love to have you. We'd love to hang out with you. Essay, Hi to to ask you how your day is and have a good time. Yeah, that's great. Every what is that? Every morning? Or ever I did morning. I do Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday in the morning from, okay, nine am eastern time to one. Okay, I use Wednesdays like today, as like my work day, you know, like heaven, but we do have like we do. I guess I still do some sort of content on Wednesday because we do anime nights and this board so well through like another site, will get together and we'll watch, like right now we're watching the promise Neverland, if anybody's ever hoping that. And so, even though we're not doing that tonight, because we usually do it on Wednesdays, but I wanted to when jaw ask me to be a part of the pot, I wanted to be on it. We're going to have it tomorrow night. Cool, cool, well, that's great. Yeah, again, great community over there. Go check them out. We appreciate you being on the cast, Jake. Thank you again so much for clearing up your schedule for me tonight. That's going to do it for the cast, everybody. Thank you so much for listening. If you would like, if you've enjoyed the cast so far, please make sure to leave a rate and review on your favorite podcasting platform. Helps us out a lot and it provides us that feedback. You know, if you don't like the cast, leave us a review, because then, hey, maybe we can do something a little bit better for the next time. So, without further Ado, I'm JW This has been an interview, a great interview with atrocious gameplay. Jake, thank you so much for joining us and will catch you on the next cast. See. Yeah, thank you,.

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