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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 41 · 4 months ago

3-41. Atrocious Podcast

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

AtrociousGameplay joins JW for this week's episode of Tag Team! Follow the two as they talk about content creation, PC4, Chilling Reign, and more!

Welcome back everybody, this is tagteam, the poke man trading card games, premier pod, casting duo, I'm J, Wcrewall and normally, I would say, I'm joined by my good friend, Riley Halbard,but today we have a special guest. Riley is away with work, can't be withus to night, but we have atrocious Jake Jake here in the studio with us tonight,Jake introduced yourself hi. My name is the Church's game play or Jake. For anymoment who may know me, I was going to try to pass off as Riley for the show,but you know with the had the tattoos the different camera angle like Ifigured it probably wasn't going to end up working. So I'm glad you introducedme as Jake. I think that the the lighting like, I think, if you squint you could get away with Riley. You knowI was just to just. Allow me to shave, maybe grow my hair a little bit. It'seasy easy! There you go there. You go so jakes with us here tonight. Thankyou so much for joining me on the cast. I guess it's not he's with us. So maybedoesn't make a lot of sense, because it's just me, but it's great to haveyou somebody that has what you've been streaming now for how long? How longwould you say, you've been a part of the community Polkamania and then howlong would you say you've been streaming because it's been like what ayear and a half now at least I started creating poke on content twoyears ago, poke on trading card game content. Two years ago, when I graduated with my Undergrad degree,okay in College, because I fun funny story. I had just stoppeddating a girl who said that video games were unimportant. You know I had beengetting in to twitch and she was like. You can't make money that way. Youcan't make a living that way, and so I was like you know what I'm going toplay: Video Games on on the Internet and have fun with people, and- and herewe are today- I'm not necessarily making too much trading card gamecontent now, but I'm still playing the game still fall in the game and justhaving fun with a with a bunch of people now yeah, it certainly seemslike it you're. Definitely in that kind of morning time slot, which is when Icatch you on online, it seems like you got a really good community brewing. Idon't know a lot of people that are Morti but yeah for sure for sureabsolutely and it seems like they all really enjoy that kind of regularity totheir mornings at what made you choose that kind ofmorning, Time Slot, because I understand right now that you're prettymuch a free agent in terms of job hunting. So what kind of draws you to the earlymorning crowd? I'm just curious. If there's you know because you couldstream, I, if you're not doing anything else, you know you can stream later inthe day, could stream in the evenings, but the mornings. You know waking upearly and and doing all that what's Yure, what's the motivation there so,like the I actually started streaming at night back like when I firstgraduated, you know with my undergraduate degree, I start dreaming more at night because,like you know, that's just typically, you know turing the like one pm to tolike eight nine PM. You know, eastern time, that's usually when a lot ofpeople are on twitch. So like that's kind of one of the more beneficialtimes, and so I was streaming at that time. Then once I got started gettingmy master's degree, you know in that fall and started working. You know myboss wanted me to go to the office and stuff and I was working in sports. Iwas a sports information personnel. So the guy who does the live, stats writesthe re caps takes pictures. You know I was doing all that and sports usuallyhappen at night. So in the mornings you know first thing: When you wake up, youknow, that's that's when I would be able to create content on twitch and doall that stuff and really just drink. My Cup of Jo with people there you go.That sounds great man. That sounds great now. I want to talk a little bitatrocious game play about how you came up with that name because and I'mcurious, if you would, if you were to go back two years, would you choose thesame name? And why so? I came up with the name of churches game play because,like I mean I've worked in professional e sports before I was, I was a writerfor the Overwatch League, one of the teams, this Shanghai dragons, but likeI'm kind of always been bad at video games, especially your point and clickgames or not going like, but like your call of duties or whatever, like serekind, O like O, all small muscle, yeah I'll, not all that kind of yeah yeah,I'm so bad at it. So it's just like, if you can't here's my thing, if you can'tmake fun of yourself, you can't laugh at yourself. Nobody else is going tolaugh with you so, like most people are also not professionals at video games.So, like the name, is easily relatable. It's a good like intera question for aviewer. You know they're like. Why is your name, a troches game play? Youknow they don't know how to start up the conversation or when you do like araid. Somebody whenever you do rad...

...someone's like. Oh you, your exact name,is my game play and that's like an easy section that you can make showsomething that joke right there, but I've had it in my mind, I'm, like youknow if I ever like, go actually prone something whether that's the trainingcard game, or you know, v GS or whatever I'm doing like I'm gonna haveto rebrand right like we that things like like yeah right what? If what ifyou actually did get good yeah like what would I would even if I becomemoderate, like let's say, let's say a top one bone are go play right. Yeahlike I got to be honest with people, I can't fall to advertise. That's right,yeah now! That's that provides some very curious decisions that you have coming up inthe future. I'm sure so I didn't expect to be streaming this long,but anyways yeah. Well, that's no! Fair enough! I mean I'm just going to say. Ihope that for the rebrand sake you don't get too good, because I mean thatcan be a headache right, oh yeah, having to change your name having tochange your you know kind of identity right in a sense, so you men streamingon twitch. For you know a couple of years now and and you're getting youknow a following year. There's certainly again this communitythat your developing in the morning streams that I see what are kind of some other things.Besides streaming that you are involved in, I know we are talking a little bitbefore the cast, but just for the listeners. What are some things thatyou're doing outside of outside of your stream life? So I actually video at itfor content creator. So I, whether it's a outur like a full time, outur ortwitch streamer, I help them create content on other platforms. You knowlike, for instance, p Kman cast is someone who I edit for is a full time.Poken streamer, podcast er, he's been doing a poke on related podcast for,like ten years now crazy. I I help his. I help his yout channel, so cutting uptwitch highlights, or we make unique videos and edit it together. It'sbasically like I do. The Nitty Gritty, because you know yourself like editing,is not the most fun or it's not always the most fun thing in the world to likehaving someone else. Do it, especially when you're like someone like Steve,that is in a lot of different places, you know doing the podcast they've gottheir own patron. They've got you know in Stagra, tick, Tock, all that stuff,you know doing a youtte channel could be very spread yourself thin. So that'sbasically my role and a lot of what I do especially right now that I don'thave a sports job, yeah yeah and you just graduated, like you said with thatmaster's degree and remind me what the is it like: Sports Communications or,what's the it's a master's degree masters of Science in sports managementsource manage okay, so I don't know, I don't know why they attach science inthere in sport management because, like my degree, is basically you know ifyou're running a high school basketball game or tournament. You know you knowyou got to stock up the the Toi t e, the bathrooms of toilet paper. You gotto got to put popcorn kennels in the in the popcorn maker. Like that's, I don'tknow what it has to do with science, but you know what I'm a it soundsimpressive yeah. I guess I mean maybe yeah you just got to think that. Well,I just hope somebody didn't think too highly of themselves when they you know,were a professor. In that degree they're like Oh, this needs to beelevated to the level. I mean not that it's not important, but you see, mypoint is like the sciences may be deal with something a little different thanwhat we're talking about here. I've been through the Bachelor's program.I've been through the graduate program. You know, I don't know what sciencethere was, because I had to take high school chemistry to be able to get mydegree, that's a vous. I don't. I don't really know but yeah. I M not going toquestion it too hard. That's right! That's right! Now! That's good! That'sgood! So, with these other content creators, youryou know, editing videos, you're doing your own thing. What kind of concepts are you bringingover from these other content? Creators like we are talking before the cast.You know you're working with no well pink favorite, Vapor Gaming, you'reworking with PKIN that cast both you know. One is maybe an established kindof big name in their in their sphere, and then one is kind of a newcomerright, no well riding the back of of Tick Tock. I would say right and youmaybe have some kind of other opinion on that or view on that. But from whatI've seen, you know just getting really big on Tik, Tok and kind of portingthat over into their twitch content, what are some things that you'velearned from either these creators, or maybe even other creators, butcertainly the ones that you've kind of worked directly with like do you takeanything away from what they're doing and incorporate it into your stuff? SoI think you know if you're, if you're a content creator, if you just try to dowhat you're doing and you're not watching other Peopleo you're going tofail, I don't think anybody succeeds by...

...just doing it by themselves is except,if you're like the first person to do something right. So I always you know, I'm alwaysstudying twitch. I I haven't been watching them for a while, becausethey're not really live anymore, but like Devin Nash, is a big name on like twitch and Yutu and stuff. Theyare considered like the industry person, for you, know, twitch you tube socialmedia things like that. They are the industry, people yeah that covers thatstuff and gives, and they have plenty of people to talk like they had the guy who made prime gaming who works that Amazon,like they've, had those people on they do different talks at differentuniversities about like content, creating in the industry of it, and even though it hasnothing to do with pokemoke, nothing to do with. Probably anything that my youknow, work and stuff like that. It's it'shelpful to me because it helps me grow in all of those aspects, working incontent creation and then like doing my own content, yeah and one good examplethat you can bring from from P K, men cast or Pink Vapor Gaming or purplecliff. A lot of people know may know who that name is. You Know Jack oldtime, pokamal player now does like Nusos and stuff all those people jumpedup and got huge because they brought people in from another platform likeyeah one of the biggest mistakes that a lot of twitch streamers make when theyfirst casually start streaming like I did. Is They just want to do? Twitchsure you know, twitch is not a discovery platform. You know, there's areason why they put all the people with like zero to one viewers at the bottom,just just like when they bring someone in when someone goes on twitch for thefirst time they no to a candidate, they want to goto something that's kind of already established. Somebody that you know ispresumably knows enough about what they're doing to have a following. Yeahlike if you bring someone in you, know, what's safer for twitch, giving someoneto Tim, the Tatman, who is an established dreamer, one of the biggestones, forty five sand. People knows what he's doing or is it Joe Schmellthat just started streaming the other day? Nobody knows anything about him,he's probably doing something that breaks tos right and what's the betterexperience to keep someone on that platform, so yeah constantly studyingother people yeah, you know and what they're doing you know not onlywatching the big people, but also the small people. You know those at I'vegot a bunch of five year, people that I watch, but that some of them dosomething really well, but you always got to bring it with it. It's veryinteresting that you know you're bringing up purple, cliff, Pink Vaporand their success on you know: Tik Tack, other platforms and bringing it over because it seems to me like some of themost successful at least some of the most recently successful pokin tradingcard game players have been solely on twitch and I think of two recentpartners in in Pump Ka Amy and Sniche Pedro, andthose are two players that I don't believe and I could be wrong, probablyabout amy. I don't know much about her kind of external. You know twitchofferings right, but that don't to me I you know, have like bigger followingsoff of twitch. I'm just curious. If, if like, what that disconnect is, I guess,between the poking community and maybe other communities that you are seeingpeople you know growing and getting partnered that are doing twitch just asa PG platform, just twitch there versus some of these other things. Well,I think twitch is A. I think, twitches in terms of the POKAN trading card gameis a good place for people to be to enjoy content, and the reason for thatis because you can directly ask someone like a zoo, Gig, a question you know.Zeu is very, very good at reading chat. Is He answers most questions thataren't stupid? You know like he answers most questions that come in and chatand so like having that interaction is real good, but a lot of what you see so like Pedroand amy. They don't do necessarily a lot of things outside amy does liketick, Tock and stuff I mean she hasn't jumped up to a million like Jack, haser no well yeah, but she still like does good stuff and and Pedro beinglike a professional player yeah. You know that really really helps. You know,J w. You have excellent accolades, you know after you won your last regional.You know I had noticed that you had a of spike and viewer ship. Sure you likeright after you won that regional and that stuff, like that impact. You knowlike because there's two reasons that people follow a twitch streamer. In myopinion, they want to learn something or they like the community, thatthey're in sure you know and and esppecially for amy. She does a littlebit of both because she adheres a lot...

...to the the more casual players. I'm likeAndrew Mahon does, I think, Andrew a tricky. Jim Is very good at adhering toa casual community or players like teaching the basics, and things likethat and amy amy took that by the horns and she's a she's, a wonderful humanbeing just like a lot of other careers that we got in and they've excelledPedro S, one of the more charismatic people that I've ever met, and I thinkhe, I think, he's a gemstone before people really started to watch hisdreams consistently. Yeah. I think the I think the morning switch because heused to do like used to do like after I would stream in the mornings, that'susually when he would be on shut yeah. But then recently, in the last couple,O months, he switched like to a more earlier session yea in the mornings for a lot of his like non tournament,streams and and he's he's jumped up. Yeah absolutely yeah and I, like you,said they're, both just great people. You know, if you don't know about thesetwo streamers which, which you should, by now just fantastic human being. So Ilike wish them even more success than they've alreadyhad, which I'm sure is coming in their future. But let's talk about something that seems to be a trend, andthat is kind of a trend with you. I think even you would say where you'reswitching away from the trading card game we've seen this may be mostnotably with purple cliff, whom we've alreadymentioned, who was a Pokamal yer for a long time reinvented themselves as aNula and has seen incredible success? We have no well WHO DID PRIMARILY POKEMON trading card game, moved away from that pretty much entirely as far asI've seen over the last few months and is now doing like anime, stuff or India,games or kind of you know just different games in general, and thenwe've also seen you know, someone like Sierra Don who was a pokamal yer almostexclusively about a year and a half ago, maybe two years ago, switched away fromthat entirely to do video game, and there are few othersthat maybe you could speak to. But what do you think about this shift? I guessyou have your own experience in their included so like. Why do you thinkthese players make this shift away from the training card game into these othergames and then become much bigger? So I think there's a couple differentfactors with that, so the first one, I think is kind of themost obvious in the the format has is not the same as what it used to beright. I think you say like since the Tay we've heard this all the time likethe tag Tamar s come in and and Pokamal spent different. I I didn't necessarilyplay before the TAG team Ara, but I've watched a lot of videos and played insome retro tournaments and heard of a lot of people. Talk like the it'sPukwana different now right, yeah, and so that's that's one of thereasons that people like even myself, you know I after like rebel clash, hit man. It was.It was hard to play the game every day. You know, especially for five hours onstream. It was hard to enjoy that time and not get frustrated at hitting atproo time on the ladder right and and not saying that I don't enjoy the gameanymore, but now is just a time where myself and like Noel and Jack likeexplore different identities that we had. You know not just the POKANtrading card game, but for no well jumping into like Dongan, ropa anddoing anime stuff, you know and because she loved that stuff before so like.Why not jump into that identity as well and like just just piddle with itpiddle paddle with it and then Jack Tack is the most entertaining contentcreator that I ever seen. You know he surer he he could make the pokmantyDing card game like exciting at sing O he didn't, but that's what kind of alittle bit of my point, though, is like a lot of what he did like. He didn'tchange a ton. You know he just did it in a different context, because he wasstill doing these kind of over the top game like he was. He was funny you knowthree years ago right and he was kind of the only person doing that in the TC,but it almost felt like what was holding him back was the trading cardgame. You know and now that he finds this different audience he can flourishwith what he's doing like it's almost it's kind of a funny line like it'sweird that there's not you know this kind of support for what he was doingwhen he was doing it in the trading card game and like the final, the finalkind of point of, like that I'll bring of like people jumping off that I'venoticed is like the poke on trading card game is just a super low ceiling in terms of likeviewer, ship and things like that. So like right now, if you look on twitchat the POKE MON trading card game...

...online right because that's where allthe players go is the online one yeah, it has eight hundred a D or I'm sorry.Six hundred and eighty nine viewers yeah not a lot of people, not a lot ofpeople watching. You know most people that, like the card game, similar towhat like just poke on cards, are right now most people just like opening. Youknow three over three thousand people watching the trading card game in theopening. You know- and you look at sword and shield four thousand twohundred people- and I can't imagine you know the different animate categories.I don't know this off the top of my head without, like just googling themright now, but like the anime is super popular. You know not only in English,but in like Japan as well. So, like you connect to a much broader like the. How do I put this? The content creatingthe POOK BOT training card game is very adhered to WHO's on at the time right.So I streamed in the mornings I streamed before tricky gym stream, so Icould get like I could get like seventy people watching in the morning. Youknow like just watching watching watching, but then I knew exactly whenAndrew would go alive. Yeah an as soon as Andrew would go live. I dropped downto like twenty people, yeah no wrong with that. No no harm to Andrew. Youknow, I love his content. He does a great love it. It's just people watchwho they want to watch and you know when your favorite streamer comes on orwhatever everybody goes to that so like. If and the same goes for afterwards too,you know in the morning nobody's going to raid me right sure nobody's awakesure. No, but instead I rate into tricky gym, or I rate, into Pedro or Irate into a zool now. But if you go afterwards, you know kind of like that.Late afternoon, early night section, you could get a raid from tricky Jim.You could get a raid from you. You know you can get a right. You can get a rateof these bigger creators. You know Gazer beam is an excellent example M,so gazer beam super cares. Amanic Guy, great dude, absolutely love him. Youknow I was watching. I would watch him a lot late at night and he he has likeyou know. Fifteen people watching he's great he's. Awesome, he's Carisma, IC,he's really good. He's got a really good community that he's built, andthen one day he gets rated by Jack gets rid. My O o lip he's, got like sevenhundred people in and he's a charismatic guy, so people stay and sohe's got this high viewer ship and then he's at the top of the category. So nowthe POKAN trading card game people that are coming in they want to want someoneto watch the they start clicking on him, because he's the first one that POPs uppeople don't scroll down the category, people just look at the first three orfour people shut up the top sure, and so then those people started to staynow. He's averaging, I think lately I've seen him at like forty five tofifty people average. You know after that, after that raid you know monthslater, and it's a it's it's that thing too. You know in the in the tradingcard game I feel like you either have to like win a regional or you have toget a big rate, sure sure yeah yeah. Absolutely and that's that's! That'stough and it's it's hard to sick, but yeah yeah. Absolutely it's veryinteresting too, though. Like recently, I've beenthinking a lot about numbers and like how having you know- and I'm sure youthink about this too, but it's like sometimes and in a lot of cases theviewer ship number are. The outward facing number is not necessarilyindicative of you know, maybe how much success you're, having or or how muchyou know. I mean money you're making if we want to put it into like that kindof terminology having a deep community is oftentimes a lot more important thanhaving a wide community, and I'm wondering if you you know, haveexperienced that as well in your journey yeah. So I'm not going to pullup specific numbers, but, like I am someone that averages thirty peopleright, I'm someone that in the month of June, I've averaged thirty people hereon twitch I for the last six months, I've every single month. I've had overtwo hundred subscribers yeah right and that- and I don't want to to my ownhome, but like that's a pretty good number or someone that doesn't havelike twenty five hundred followers yeah, and it's because of like that. It itcommunity thing. You know when I'm shiny hunting on twitch, I have I'mvery easily able to just put the game on the screen and instead watch twitchshand talk to twitch Chatoo, you know, how's your how's, your family, doingJerry. You had surgery last week like how you feeling man or like yeah, youknow Timmy, you just got interviewed the other day. Have you heard back? Youknow from your job and it's I like interacting with people, I'm asocial guy. So, like I, the trading...

...card game, you could be like reallyinteractive in stuff, but, like you know, when you're in a tournament likeyou're trying to focus on winning and stuff so like, I, I think thatcommunity building is huge. I think that you know your community drivesyour content per se. You know when I, when I have a big moment you know ontwitch. I know that people are going to people are going to re tweet it nowpeople are going to like the pictures. I've got like fifteen people that I cancall top of my head that, like a lot of my tweets sure, regardless of what itis sure you know that live tweet every day. This is something that I think alot of people should do is when you make a live tweet, you know saying: Hey,I'm live I'm doing this XY Z have a tab open of twitter and then, whenever oneof your community people like it, even if they're there, if you know they'rethere or you don't know they're there yeah, you know say thank you be likeHey Jerry thanks for liking. My Live tweet today, yeah, like you, hey sallythanks for Re tweeting me today or leaving a nice comment. Yeah, you knowit. It's it's one of those small gestures that not a lot of people thinkabout, even though it seems really obvious that that like goes a reallylong way, yeah, I agree being personal right, because that's what that's whatpeople want? They go into a twitch tream and they want to feel like a youcare that they're there and be that you are willing to interact with them rightand so, like. Obviously, you have to establish boundaries right, like I'm,not giving people my address, you know where I live, but like yeah, you wantthem to feel like at home right like in a discord server. You know whensomebody post that they pull a alternate arc: Shadow cally REX temaxyou're, like Pog Dude like like eatie share in that joy, yeah, absolutelyabsolutely and speaking of interacting with the audience. We got a fewquestions on the twitch stream, so I got one here. Ten type says justwondering what your thoughts are on Tick Tock, but I and all the people Iknow, think it's pretty cringe. What are some responses to that Jake? SoTick Tock is, I also think tick. Tock is kind of cringe. Tick. Tock is verytrendy. It's very it's very oriented towards trends. You know, but tick tock is, is powerful, so JackPurple Cliff for anyone who doesn't know he would go from like when he wasplaying the trading card game before he took his hiatus. You know to better ismental health and and then jump back on. You know with NUSOS. He was gettinglike a hundred and twenty like ninety to a hundred and twenty people perstream. Then he blew up on tick, Tock, doing Nezleh and then he's now averageslike over a thousand people every single stream. It's a little bitdifferent because like when you have a thousand people, stamming Keck W, likeit's very hard to interact with chat. Yes, you know during that time I don't think Jack necessarily knows like.I watch them a lot still and I grease up and stuff. I don't think he. I don'tthink he really sees me and that's surely, okay, because I like get thatbut yeah tick. Tock is very powerful becauseit's very short form content and you get a lot of people in and the thingabout tick tock as well is even if somebody follows you, you know, andthey enjoy your content. The first time, especially when you hit that onethousand you turn in on your twitch, live stream. You put your phone pointing at you, yougo live on tick tock as well. It's not the same screen. It's not the same gameplay it's just you right, so you're not bringing twitch to us and multistreaming the same thing at one time Yep, but you just say every likefifteen minutes or so hey. If you're watching this on Tick Tock, I'm liveinteracting with people on twitch, because it's super easy and it's SuperFun. We got a lot of people here. Would love to see you you know absolutelyjust giving those like ques and twitches again is all about bringingpeople from another platform. There's so many people that scroll on twitchevery single night you know before I go to bed yeah score. Fifteen minutes onmy fip Bro, a tick tock is a dangerous thing. Man, because it's suck you inand it'll just spit you right back out, and it is a super easy place, becausethe algorithm is the algorithm is like Union saying: aroids Is Insane: It'syou. You like one thing about Hatos you now all of a sudden you're in yourtattoo guy you're attend to a now yep. I know I'm a Tattoo Guy, I like Anime,and somehow I've moved on to Anima Tic anime tattoo tape, to like literallyevery day, I'm scrolling, I'm seeing anime tattoos and I keep sending it tomyself and I'm like, Oh God, I got another one on my list that I needagain and now to further. It you've just said those words out loudand a man and Tattoo. So that's you know getting picked up. Surely by someyou know some Amazon, Google thing, that's listening to you and that'sfeeding it all and yeah. It's a crazy platform and, like you, I said and likethese videos that you're just getting...

...way more views on this platform thanany other one. And I don't find frankly, like I find the longer I've watched thethe I feel like, and maybe this is the algorithm telling me so, but the thecontent creators that I've seen have gotten older. So I started watchingtick tock, maybe six months ago, like certainly in the pandemic, like I'm anewby in the sense of of what Tiktok is and how long it's been around but yeahin like six months, I've definitely seen you know. When I first started itwas maybe a little more younger creators. Now I'm seeing like Dad's andmoms like making tickets. So I feel like there is that platform for kind ofyou know older people that really don't view it as as cringe they viewed askind of you know, fun interesting, exciting ways to interact with peoplethat they otherwise wouldn't yeah. I mean I thought the same thing like forfor the longest time I was like I'm not going to get tick tack like tick. Tockis just fine junior right, it's not as good as vine was, and then you jump onit and then that algorithm gets you. You know, even if you're, even ifyou're a forty year old parent, you get intoparent tick, tock a lot of that stuff. A lot of those jokes then becomerelatable about, like your kids and yeah, a stuff like that and it's tick. Tock is dangerous. That's whatI'm going to say! I ll agree. It's IT'S GREAT! It's a goodalgorithm that, like can really help you grow like Yutu or instar and stuff,because there's such an influx of people, because when you hit that Fip,when you hit that, for you page Algorithm and people just start likingand liking and liking and liking and liking, you know if you can get them onto another platform. You know that's awesome, because people on tick, Tock,here's the thing is: Seventy five percent of the time that people are ontick, Tock, statistically they're on the for you page they're, never on thefalling page, sure jaw when you scroll on Tick Tock. Do you go on thefollowing page? No, not really yeah! It's still gonna! If I'm going to findsomebody- because I do follow enough people right but- and I follow thembecause I want to but yeah I'm usually on the four- U Page, because I'm like Imaybe I'll- get a new hit of Serato an then then also a wrinkle in of it rightand also sprinkle in maybe a few that I already know you know so some comfortspots, especially because the for you page also, can show people that you'refollowing right. So a lot of times, you don't even realize you know that thatyou're on, like the FIP, is the only thing that you're thinking about and soright. That's another reason why I tiktok is just it's really good. It'sreally! It's crazy! It's crazy! So, okay! This is, this is kind of going togonna. Be Our last talk about the content creation and then the lastquestion I should say, and we're going to move into some some card of the day which youhave and then some p c four and shilling ran stuff. But who is likeyour favorite tick, talker and it doesn't have to be. You know pokmantyat all, like I'm just curious like who do you if you could only watch oneperson's stick tock for the rest of your life? WHO WOULD IT BE? Oh Man? Iwould that's a really tough question, becausethere's a lot of people that I usually watch, I would say, like atrend baby, that I would watch, I don't have like tints, okay person, okay, butI would say a trend is the adult swim trend. I thought that the adult wintrend was actually one of the most intriguing things to pop up. Yes, notonly was it just crazy, free advertising for cartoon network and,like their adults, swim program, Yeah Yeah, but like also the creativity withat all. There were so many different ways like every time I saw an adultswim one. None of them felt the same right. It was pretty crazy. It's it was. That was probably my favoritetrend to ever come up yeah. It was a good one. I loved. I love some of thosehut, like some of them were a little corny or a little poorly done, but,like I'd say, the mass vast majority were unique in some way and intriguing.Very intriguing is relatable because we're at that demographic that probablywatched adult swim. Definitely I like because yeah it was like so much I sawthe I saw the you know the flashbacks to like you know eleven thirty at night.You know you just got done watching like what the boon docks or whateverand then and then you get an adult swim and then it's like to name is on it.You know it's so good man, it's so good. So definitely hits that nostalgia.Nostalgia, bug great well, it sounds like you're doinggreat things. Jake, I you know, am excited for you just in the future ofcontent creation, whatever. That is, if it's, if it's your own, if it'screating for other people, if it's doing a mix of the two just excited tosee where you can go, let's turn our focus to the cards now and Jake. Youhave a card of the day for us. So part...

...of the day we always do this segmenthere on Tang team. Where we just choose a card, it can be any card a card.That's all the card, that's new, a car, that's good, a card, that's bad, butjust some card that has a relation to you. So Jake. Take it away. What's yourcard of the day for us, so for anyone who doesn't know me, I am obsessed withfull art supporters, the best type of Pogamogan Card GameCard. In my personal opinion, just the beauty of the characters in the game isjust incredible. You know it's not like the sun and moon. You know Gx full artsthat were just then bland. Just one color, you know there's a lot of cardsthat have the Possa some sparkles. You know just absolutely beautifulcombinations of color, so my car of the day is going to be my first ever fullart supporter card that I got and that is Breakin Skylla. I have an older card and x and wide,but it was the. I actually have it right here as the first one. I ever gotback at NAIC. Two Thousand and nineteen, so the first time I ever saw moreporter yeah they've done what this is their thirditeration now of skyland yeah. I I don't have the black and white one,because that one is expensive how expensive as it is it over a hundreddollar. Now I just got a B at a hundred dollars. Okay, IT'S ALWAY! I mean blackand white. I kick myself for not buying black, a hundred and seventy eightdollars very expensive, but I'm kicking to myself like a year and a half ago.You know I was going to buy all the black, an white supporters and now,like the Anka and guy, I guy they are all expensive, unbelievable. Oh, mygosh, that is like some of the there's, some of the Pokamal from like black andwhite, on that I've really just like jumped up in price like pro bad V, islike probably going to be the cheapest ever been right now, just poke Mont singles in general forlike standard or just super good, in my opinion, but those black and whitepolar supporters and some of those early x and wise are just whole cheese.Yeah Edi hear you yeah. I mean it's crazy, like the market for those cardsbecause yeah they were pretty cheap or at least reasonable for a long time,and then they just shot up like a hundred hundred fifty percent in a fewmonths time. It's crazy stuff. That is a beautiful card, though I think theydo a really nice job. I think, with the full art supporters of Yeah, just bringing that new dimensionto the character right, because you have these supporters where right there,the picture of it's just the little picture, half and half text and picturelike I don't know you get you get a much. I mean, I guess it's the samewith the Full Art Pokamal, you get this much more dynamic picture of who thistrainer is or who this this person is in the game, and I think it you know ithumanizes them a lot more and it brings a lot more personality to the to thetrainers. There's a reason why ev heroes has an absurd amount of you knowthose secret rare, alternate arts and stuff like guys us, because they that'swhat brings in the buck. Oh they're, beautiful, they're aling. They areeyeing indeed. Well, that's a great card of the day. I appreciate that oneJack. Thank you all right. So, let's turn our attention to Players Cup forwe're just going to do a quick overview on this, because there are some thingsthat you know we should talk about. We just had players Cup for kind of firstround. You know over the last week- and thereare it's in the old format, of course, because the new cards have just beenreleased, so they weren't legal for the tournament. But what were some thingsthat you saw here coming out of what were some trends that you saw comingout of? You know that that regional phase they called the first phase. Weget a cut to top sixteen players and each of these brackets of North America,Latin America, Europe NOCINI. We had a number of notable players in NorthAmerica, Josh, Sutherland, nine and O in North America with the Luke MetalDeck. He calls a broken luke metal he's been playing this for most of theseason season and I would say that he's probably the authority when it comes tothis deck has played a ton of events done really well and most of them wegot Alex Samansky coming in at number three seed with a net one record withmad party of all things, Daniel Tavia, again, eight and one. Those are kind ofthree of the top four very notable players give me some. You know kind of kind oftrans that you saw some things that you were maybe interested in when you sawtheir their deck or maybe just general trends that were like Oh yeah, thatmakes sense or oh my Gosh- how? How do we, let that happen? How do we, let formad party, consist of you know kind of we, like mad party, take four spotsamongst the top. You know decks. Just just give me kind of your thoughts onhow the regional top sixteen face went. So I am most intrigued by North Americaand Latin America because each of them had a mad party and a single strike. ErShe food V. Next, you know it s single strikers. Food Max is the only deckthat I actually want to play in this...

...format. I just I love the accelerationthrough hound, Oom and things like that. So that intrigues me the most, becauseyou look I mean especially if you can get you know the like, either a turn oneimpact blow or you can set up a couple hound ours like that deck is a littlebit tough to stop. Sometimes you know if, because it can just knock outpretty much anything, and especially since pecara is still a really gooddeck. You two is still running around. You know now that we're in these Vmaxes, you know two forty on a Pika Rom is not that much and like to red, andseventy on a you tube is not that much so that second attack on the Ershi foodbe ax, is pretty good and I think tingle Trek Ershi fo has like arelatively good match up with a rapid strike, especially if you havesomething like a mew on the field. So since rapid striker ship, who was verygood deck, it has several different archetypes. You know the Cancio Bill,the more like nets build like straight up build. I think that these single strikeplayers- you know, Marco Bertrand and then Gabe Shumway. I think I mean Iwouldn't be surprised to see them going a little bit farther in the tournament,maybe not winning the whole thing, but going a little bit farther as a lot ofpeople may think yeah. Absolutely it's very interesting how this kind ofsingle strikers, food deck, is really much really a lot about the hidden missof the format, because I think, if you're playing against you know oneprizes you're, really not going to have a good time but yeah in that mad party,yeah yeah, exactly it's just it's kind of over, because you just can't quitekeep up with with the you know the pounding that you're going to get right.But, like you said, like you brought up, youknow the tag teams fall perfectly into those numbers that the single strikecan hit. You know you got that second attack doing two and seventy base, andthen you know you're accelerating the energy and you're getting more damage,and so you can get through. Any kind of you know, damage modification that youropponent puts on. You know if they're putting you know a big charm orsomething on you know, you're blown right through that with a couple ofenergy, so single strikes certainly very interesting. I was very intriguedby the by the mad party man like who would have thought you're telling me for people chose toplay mad party and you our four people got into the top.Sixteen total, I guess top sixty four. I guess we combine all the regions forPlayers Piloted Man Party that to me is absurd, because one of the things thatI really struggled with with mad party was just getting those consistent earlygames and it wasn't really the late game that concerned me right, becauseif you made it to the lake game, you probably had enough stuff in yourdiscard pile to hit for those at least two shots, if not one shots on some ofthe Tang teams, but just crazy that you have these mad party lists that wegenerally thought weren't. You know maybe the strongest that are making it so far and I'mreally curious to see how that pans. Out I mean you look at the playersplaying into like Alex Manske. You could probably give Alex fifty ninedark energies in a guzlar and need still find a way to make top sixteen inNorth America. You know you have these incredible players piloting as wellwith like single strikers. She food the's, like he's like decks, that a lotof people would consider like mid tear. You know and they're definitely not terone or anything like that, but because of that high level of play, you knowand high capabilities and skills they can take a deck pretty far a lotfarther than a lot of people. Think you know. Josh Sutherland, like wementioned, is a very good luke metal player, but there's not a lot of Lukemetal in the field in any of these top six scenes. But Josh I mean he's beenplaying a day and day out just about every single tournament. You know, Iagree with you in that he's, probably the best loupen player that we've gotthe High Ho like control yeah exactly and this resolve you know just goes toshow that fact that he good players playing their favoritedecks will do well. Yeah Yeah Yeah, and I think that's that's huge. That's yourJosh certainly plays into that. What I generally suggest to people,especially newer players, it's just if you're going to choose between a deck,you think is, you know good, but you haven't practiced with or a deck youthink is. You know, maybe, okay for the metal, but you've practiced a ton with. Generally speaking, you know I'm goingto tell that player to go with the deck that they've practiced you know andthat they know inside and out, because you have your strategies, all kind oflined out you have. You know you know exactly what to do in every situationand certainly Josh, you know play it on his experience played on other people'sinexperience in that match up to go very far, and so I'm very excited tosee where he finishes yeah. We should be getting here anotherphase over the weekend. Are there any thoughts that you have on what kind ofmight rise to the top? Even let's just take North America. If YOUU had to takethis field with these decks? Who would...

...you pick in terms of making a top forI'M gonna? Take on single strike? I mean it's kind of a long shot. I know Ijust kind of exposed that I'm a single strike fan boy, but I mean like againlooking at the field, you know there's several Pika robs there's you know someMutus, there's rapid strikers. She woos in a lot of places, a ternates like alot of decks. That single strike can be. You know. Lukari Malmal is another goodexample the odd and seventy g Max one blow. I think it's calledthat hits through all of Luke metals like abilities, full mental wall andstuff, like that. It hits through all that. So I think it's actually a decentmatch up again as well, but the thing is: If they hit Altmans KiPlaying mad party or even like Vicini kind of gives a little bit of a problembecause victim Max victory can one shot your erches. You know I think thatmight stop gave at least in North America to making that top four or thatbig final big final moment, brachite that theyll cast and show on Pokemoke,but I wouldn't be surprised to see it in those top spots. To be honest, yeah,that's awesome, that's awesome! Well, players come for. We will be eagerlyawaiting kind of results from that and, as we get closer to you know having aglobal finals. Of course it pairs down to the last for anacreon and then thosefor create a group of sixteen that I'll play off for for the five thousanddollar Grand Prize. Let's move away from Players Cup for now and go intochilling rain, so chilling rain, of course, that new set that has everyonetalking. We are so excited about chilling rain here on the cast chillingrain has brought a ton of just new ideas, fresh ideas, a lot of newarchetypes, but also a lot of updates to old archetypes, which has beenreally refreshing. I think we miss something there with certainly withvivid voltage. I think a lot of people would agree that was kind of a down setfor the trading card game and then battle styles was a step in the rightdirection. You know we got rapid strike single striker Shafou list, but not aton else, but now in chilling rain, I think it's kind of busted the door wideopen, we're seeing things like we, vile gx, with the multis being put intoEternitas, builds and just doing very well we're seeing just updates to kindof these old decks were seeing. The new cally rex is just kind of tearing it up.What are some decks that you're really enjoying right now in or at least, ifyou're, not playing them that you're enjoying watching Jake I've been reallyenjoying Callibres v Max the shadow one? Well, I've been enjoying both of them. I really like the water, the ice, onethat I sis, Rishi Er shadow writer, is really interesting because of thedifferent ways that you can build it. So you can you could do it like theTrevenen, dusk or style. You could do it by itself. You know it just a shadow,caleras writer attacker or like how Andrew was doing it before the setrelease. You can do without Crime v Max like there's a couple different ways tokind of style. How you want to play in that, and I find that to be superintriguing and also how it's revitalized a ternates a little bit.You know, especially now, if you look at the chill series right now, that'sgoing at the time of this recording. You know a top four spots in round. Nine are three out of the fouror ternates players. So that's like that's super incredible, because thenumber of people that like playing the shadow caleras writer and just like,with chilling random don in general, bringing a bunch of different decks.You know a new pairing with that Intelli to the rapid strike or she foodyou've got blise. I know people have been hyping that deck as of lay likeCelias and Zuan. Things like that yeah just having a tone to fund the plasinthere or you know, Pedro has been trying that a lot lately and there'sbeen some peaks here and there about stuff like that and yeah. It's pretty.It's been a lot of fun. It's been a ton of fun yeah. So if you go jake to likean in person league or tournament, because I mean that's on the horizonfor us we're seeing it in magic where they'recoming back to organized play- and I think pokmanty e next- but what wouldyou bring? What would be the archetype that you would take that you, you know,spend the money on drop the money on to go to a tournament with. I think Iwould honestly buy Malima v Max Right now. Oh my God, I think Benny Fernandez.I think it was that I saw, has been playing a little bit of Alamanand did really well with it the other day and with Mali Mar Venex. You knowthat's a card that, like you said it yourself, like. Oh my gosh, like peoplekind of forgot about Malvar v back. I...

...can't even call like what said it cameout in yeah, so you could probably get these cardsreal, cheap right with me. Bawling on a budget. I need cheap decks. You know Icould usually only have like one or maybe two IRL decks. If I borrow somecards for my buddy, I hear you go and I think you're gonna have a lot of funwith Valma v Max or even like the new rapid strike Malim Ar. If you, if you,if you like the squid from the back in like two thousand and eighteen,a D, Two thousand and nineteen, you love the quid you want to keep playingthe squid boom there. It is right there there's two decks, that you could loveright there and honestly, like you, can win gapes with them. You can O names,you might you might not top like a regional or you know, like a hundredperson, League Cup or whatever, but like at local league fivelight, run thetable with something like that. I mean you think about Mal Mar Vax is beinglike. You know you get to look at your ponus hand and take one card out likethat's very powerful, and now you know kind of one of the main things I washolding it back. That maybe makes it okay in the expanded format was justlike energy acceleration, and now we have that we have. That like are inMaltres, is huge for the deck, because you in in two turns you can get fourenergy on the board right. You attach, you get a Multis, you attach you get amultis, and now all of a sudden you're telling me on turn to you could havethat attack going. You know, maybe drop a path to the peak who knows get rid ofyour monent's, only draw supporter, like that's pretty insane so yeah. Ifeel you when I when I hear that you're saying Malamaia, I mean the one thingthat was really holding it back was just a lack of acceleration. Now I maybe have Kenan expanded like it's got, dark patch. You know it was a some. Itwas someone relevant deck and expanded because, like dark patch, you know thatenergy acceleration Max Elixir. That's what it's called right. The maxiliaryAxy guy on I'm not as good at expanded as you are jaw winning those expandedregional, but I like, I think, expanded a wild ride,but yeah now that Galare Maltraien, you said like Mat Mar VINAC is better. It'splayable, yeah, absolutely absolutely got path of the peak, which is anincredible card. It's a a yes! It is quite good, quite good trigued whenrotation happens in chaotic swells gone yea at to the peaks I now relevant anda lot of of course. Of course, one thing that I'm a big fan of is kind of a mem deck. So last kind ofchilling rain question is like what is your favorite meme deck? That's come out of the set my favorite, be, I don't know, can Iconsider Bliss v MEM deck is that is that okay? Well, I think it hasn't wonanything yet or, as far as I know it hasn't placed like top four, yet ineither two tournaments. I could be wrong on that one. Somebody fact checkme. I I I know the guy in the mid hasn't one. It hasn't won a tournamentbut like it's doing all right right now and chill it's like it's fifteen withinnine rounds, but, like I just find that deck to be a lot of fun yeah I, as Iwatched celius video, I was watching his ittle player today for a little bitit just it looks like fun. I like the fun decks, it's and it's a great onefor newer players. I feel like too, you know where it's it's not. You know it takes a little bit oftime to ramp up depending on, if you're playing it kind of the solo variationor, if you're playing it with with porion. Then, of course you can get upthese just massive numbers, real, quick, but certainly one of those things thatI would feel very comfortable introducing somebody to the POKE MONtrading card game through the vehicle of glisy. I find it to be just a greatcard for that. You know just very simple make sense: you do more damagemore energy got accelerate to yourself. It's cool yeah! It's! I think it's a lot of fun! Yeah!Absolutely! Well! Thank you! So much jake for this time. This was this isgreat and I felt like I got to know a little bit more about you personally ascontent creator, and you know we got to. We got to channel a little bit aboutPokemoke, which is always nice. Any thing you want to plug before youknow we let the Fat Lady Sing, so I would say it is kind of weird, butI'm going to plug my podcast. You know about this podcast I do themetopon podcast with Jarocha. It's a POKMANTY ING card game podcast as well,but it I would say that we style it a little bit more towards like news, you know. So when things get announcedthings get released in Japan, you know whether that's products or trends thatwere seeing you know shot, and I talk. We still talk about the Meta a littlebit, but we like to we like we're bothcollectors ourselves. You know collecting specific things, so we liketo talk about that as well, and we know that AA lot of our audience has gearedtowards that. So you can find us there...

...every Tuesday release, and that couldbe your Tuesday podcast and also I dream on a churches game play. If youjust like having a good, cosy time with coffee. You know we love to have you.We love to hang out with the essay hi. Do you ask you how your day is and havea good time? Yeah, that's great every. What is that every morning, or ever Iday morning, I do Monday Tuesday, Thursday Friday in the morning pro nineam eastern time to one okay. I use Wednesdays like today as like my workday. You know like heaven, but we do have like we do. I guess I still dosome sort of content on Wednesday because we do anime nites in this cordso well through, like another site we'll get together and we'll watch likeright now we're watching the promise, never land, if anybody's, ever openthat, and so, even though we're not doing that tonight, because we usuallydo it on Wednesdays, but I wanted to when j w asked me to be a part of thepart I wanted to be on it. We're going to have it tomorrow, night, COOL COOL!Well, that's great, yeah, again great community over there go check them out.We appreciate your being on the cast Jack. Thank you again so much forclearing up your schedule for me tonight. That's going to do it for thecast everybody! Thank you so much for listening. If you would like, if you'veenjoyed the cast so far, please make sure to leave a rate in review on yourfavorite. PODCAST ING PLATFORM HELPS US OUT A lot and it provides us thatfeedback. You know if you don't like the cast, leave us a review becausethen hey. Maybe we can do something. A little bit better for the next time, sowithout further ado, I'm j. This has been an interview, a great interviewwith atrocious game play Jake. Thank you so much for joining us and we'llcatch you on the next cast. So yea beg you a.

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