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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 43 · 5 months ago

3-43. Celebrate Good Times

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are excited about all of the new developments in the trading card game. There are new cards, a new meta, and lots of fun to be had!

You know what is that guys? Lookingback to tag team, the pokemon trading card games premiere podcasting du o. Myname is raly hor joined, as always by my good good friend, mr j w cree wall,gw how's it going it's grown, pretty well riley. How are you i'm thrivingman? I'm thriving, that's excellent, to hear all thingsconsidered, yeah, so very hunkered down at work right now. Ihave a big like project going alive next week, so heads up to the listeners.I won't be on the show next week, but on the upside i learned yesterday that i've been usingbobby pins for, like my big old hair, now the wrong way they've been facingthe wrong way for months now and some one finally corrected me on how to usethem. The bobby pins, yeah, oh man, i couldhave corrected you yeah, and i know i had the serrated side sticking out.Instead of my gosh. It's a really amateur mistake: well, you're, a newi'm near to the andonia yep yep and i didn't believe anyone teach me i justkind i started putting them in and like this works. Fine then yeah and i wasinformed of my failures: yeah. No, it totally makes sense man it just itdoesn't come naturally to some people, but yeah, i'm glad that you're gettingyou know, i'm glad that you're getting used to it and well i mean i feel likewe're more committed to the craft than you in the long term like thissomething i'm sticking with, i was in pretty deep, but then you backed out when i had her cos when the world needed me most advaisedyeah, i cut, i cut cut it off yeah. Well, maybe once again, maybe there'slike a redemption ar in her somewhere a maybe your hair does look clean, esset,tis, so true, true yeah! Well, thanks all thanks to my wife for sure. What's been going on in yourside of the court. Well, we have. We were just talking before the cast, andyou know viewers that are watching this on youtube. As i you know, every fiveseconds like wipe my brow, we are getting air conditioning in thishouse. There you go that is coming. It is extremely exciting. It has beenhovering in the low s for the days and i'm in my office, which you know it's just it just getsreally hot in here and then and then yeah. I just am like i'm wiping downlike my arms right now and it's like actually like it feels like i wash myhands: yeah slimy, my wife doesn't like it, so i try to like give her as manylike hugs as possible because she just was like. Oh you know i, these are newclothes. He this is a fresh dress. You know that kind of thing. I'm sure, likethe lights faring down on you or don't help either they definitely don't yeah.But it's you know what it's it's. What i do for my craft, okay, the sacrificesi make that's right! That's right now! Leave us leave us a leave us for review.Please that's right! Right live five star review anything else, kind ofgoing on in your sphere, man we're going to go to detroit thisweekend, which is nice, we're taking a few trips, actually coming up we'regoing to take a trip to wisconsin, actually yeah to monaca naqua. I don't know, ithink it's i think it's pretty far north compared to madison but, like i'msure, you'd, be welcome to to come by we're going to a little like lake housething. Cabin yea, so that'll be pretty fun, and then i got a few got anotherlike wedding coming up to also in wisconsin, but this one i think the wedding islike in madison, so like we'll, probably have the meet up for sureyeahlin the area we'll meet up for sure on awesome. So i'm glad to hear things aregoing well and i'm super glad to hear that the sliminess will be put down tomorrow. We just one day one slimy day, that's right so beforewe get into anything. One thing that i wanted to make sure that we hit on wasjust offering our congratulations and recognizing the folks who are going tobe advancing to the global finals for the players cup. So we're not going toharp too much kind of the metal analysis here, because the the battlestyles metal is complete. I guess we could say right now we're deep into thechilling rain world now, but i will call out all the players and some oftheir decks so from latin america we have- and iapologize if i but your pronunciation off any of these names, i'm sincerelytrying my best...

...from latin america. We have dalton acheta playing a turn in his v max on hell, ironic bar playing pikachu andzecca bruno garus playing mad party and gosh. I will not get this right, i'mman, this embarrassing. How do you? How do you say like madero?So you know i'm talking about like starts to the j patros madaras. How doyou say that name? It's a brazilian name like like it's like jo, a with squiggleyeah like like jeal like shatagee, maybe joua, chian of makes sense yeah.I apologize if i, but, i think, a chiwal. I think it's like it's like akind of usually that visually checks out with me huh, but i live in the midwest, so also playing picatus that grand sobecause you us that crom showing up big in latin america in europe, we have hapasaes on playingcontrol, which is super six en that make it through. Even with the rulechanges, we have pascal lore playing bouton mugas well as leonarda martins playing mutum. What the rilla, yes, so alsothose plays with real boom and and then we have pedro playing his favoriterapis traction shinoda from day an he was a belle, very cool. In north america we have aaron freedmanwith rapid strike dan hugard, with bikachine zehra, alex emaci with madparty, a couple mad parties, which i love to see and isaac tron with youtube,geraci, gx tool box, so the psychic motuara and then finally, in the oceana region.We have zayad afiza playing rapid strike, ting chan playing a dpchristian, has bonny playing pikachu and zehra and peter low playing youtubeboom. So it's a really too kind of a underrate, superstar here, all a numberof spots here in the top top sixteen. What three spots pretty incredible,that is, super cool, so look forward to to see in how those global finals panout a lot of really recognizable names like really. These are some of the topplayers in each of these regions. So i'm excited to see what they cook upfor the yeah and just congratulations to all the players that made it to thesecond day of the players cup and congratulations with all the playersthat made it even into the first day as a not certainly that did that enough.You made that far. Oh there you go there, you go yeah but yeah. Now i looking forward toseeing how the top sixteen finishes up. I think we, we might might might knowone of the commentators, but i digress. Let's move on, shall we yeah so firstthings? First, we haven't had a chance to talk about this in a little whilehere, and that is some new cards that have come out very on enough. So thejapanese sets that will combine to become our evolving sky set, have beenfully revealed and before we dive cd fan that i do want to plug. The twentyfifth anniversary set has been revealed and lightly teased as far as what'sgoing to be inside of it, and it is very cool, so it is called.Celebrations comes similar to you, know, generations in terms of namingconvention and what it's. What the plan is for. Theset is to first off there's going to be a lot of kind of like reprints of oldfamous cards, so i think, like bay at chares, think tapu lay like gx andembryon star or something that they listed in the original announcement,but then they're also doing which i think is really really cool. These call backs to past eras, but usingmodern pokemon you so the one that we've seen images of now- and idefinitely recommend checking this out. If you haven't seen it is, there is adragful prime, which looks incredible and there's a mimic. That's like watertype as a delta species, which is so fun there's going to be a grenado star,just so much really cool. I love that it's what a great way to like celebratethe history of the game. Yeah, absolutely and they've- also made. Ijust want to you know, while we're here the hydrogen s p and zaha level x, sothey've kind of taken iconic cards from each of these generations right. You have the lightand dark pokemon, the sp pokmanky delta species, primes, which i'm a huge standof, and certainly certainly a few more that we just haven't seen product scansof and they'rer, combining them into...

...this little mini settin nec in it'sjust such a great and pretty unique way to honor this twenty fifth anniversaryof pokemon yeah. I'm really excited for this. It looks so fun. Those hear thekind of packs that you just love to open. You know yes feels so cool. Ifeel like with every one of these sets. I'm like oh yeah. I want to get thewhole collection, you know, because it's like twenty five cards and then iknow, inevitably i'm going to fall very short but yeah. It's still. It's still cool the dream.They they look really nice. What are your thoughts riley on the twenty fifthanniversary sticker in the right hand, corner of the card i mean i feel likethey almost have to do that for the reference that they're doing to a distinguish being sketchy and liketrying to resell them as like the originals and be also like preserve thevalue of the originals like they don't have the twenty. I so you know thatthey're still, there's no comparison right, like it's the there's the stampand there's the original. That's a good point. Yeah. I didn't even considerthat very interesting kind of my take on it yeah. No, it totally makes sense,but yeah they look beautiful. I mean look it up on poke guardian or pokabeach. If you haven't already, these things are stunning seriously yeah super cool, but with that we do want to talk aboutthe future of actually the cards that will be playing, which is coming up inevolving skies. So gw. What are some standouts for you inthe evolving sky set yeah, it's pretty cool we've. Finally, gotten all thescans, and it just seems like we've, you know kind of had a new set releaseand then we're already looking like a set or in some cases, two sets in frontof us. But it's really interesting to see some of the some of the carddesigns in it and maybe places a little bit more of the context of the currentcards when you compare them against future cards. And so i don't know thereare a few cards that i'm looking at them. Maybe won't have like a powerfulimpact, but like are certainly playable and like one of those would be thissuicune. That allows you to draw hard with its ability, if it's in the actorsspot and then it also does damage based on the amount of pokemon that are inplay. So obviously that can scale up pretty big depending on how many pokeminor opponent has, but it can also be kind of played around right because your opponent can you know these arethe cards that i like, where there's some interaction between what you andyour opponent do so this weekend is something that i'm looking at. I alsoreally like really like aside from the requise max, but i really like thegarbage. I don't know if you have any thoughts on this garbato, but it allowsyou to attach to car or two tools to it. So garbato usually has some kind oflike tool mechanic. You know: we've had garbo tax and garbage in the past, we've had like tool, drop, rubinrubbish, and so now we're seeing this kind of similar theme here with thegarbato laws you to have a tool to tool cards to tool, say that ten times fast,two tool cards attached to it as the ability and then just does like ageneric. You know a hundred and twenty poison can't retreat on your pones nextter. So you know maybe a two shot style attack there against the v max meta,but i think that's really cool like i could see that the it playing it with two helmetsright, so your opponent would attack into the garbage and then they'd haveto pick up two energy back to their hands. That could be really cool. I atthe end rader in you. I know right and there's a number of other tools. Idon't know that that could be kind of neat like you know. You could play tooljammer on top of like another, useful tool, right, there's just some ways.You could play this card that i think are really interesting. Yeah, oh forsure, a couple of like if we're on the topic of like some of these niche cardsthat stick out, one that actually sticks out to me isthe altaria that lets you put a supporter on the top of your deck everyturn. I see a lot of potential with that in some of these like control deckthat play it, they all like need, locking ulterior line. You could alsoplay this altaria as it means to like quickly turn through thesupporters and your deck. So i think that's pretty cool. I love those kindof like niche evolution scenarios yeah it generally like i like the themes ofa lot of these cars. I like what they're going for i like that they madeamong us into a car, that's cool with the full face shield yeah, so that's sick. I also i randomly likethe jump off that can attack twice just because i reallylike it when you can attack toys. I don't think there's like a way toreally use this in an effective way, but a right.

You know one day if there's like enoughdamage, modifiers or something this could be really cool and it does likeself accelerate its own evolution, because when you catch an energy to theskip bloom, it evolves into the drink, love yeah for sure so yeah. There maybe some way to play that again, like you said with damage modifiers, i meanthat's not unusual for pokemon. Do this and like it was the only reason thatmeta cham, which is probably a comparable double attacking pokemon.That was the only reason that could be played right because you think aboutlike the tools that were out when it was around. We had muscle band and alsothe choice band which boosted by twenty to any pokemon and then with choiceband. You could do thirty. Two ex ng spoke mine, i think yeah ex ng x,pokmon and then you know, and then you had, of course strong energy. You haddyanzy prism star, so is grass the type of mechanic that it will get damaged,boost like that, probably not like the dancing. You know it's probably notgoing to get a dint type cards, probably not going to get a strongenergy type card, but it could, or there could be some otherkind of mechanic that we're not seeing like you know, there's a there's, acharrum or something that boost damage of grass type poke right, for instance,so yeah and the last kind of niche card iwant to call out, is the metochites yoga loop, you're unfamiliar themedacine to colos energy, puts two damage counters on and one of yourpoets to em on and if you get a knockout in this way, you skip yourupon its turn. Basically, so that's obviously very cool thecatches. You can't use yoga loop, multiple turns in a row, even if ondifferent metochites, see there being in a rapid strike like some kind ofcrazy combo. You can pull off with this because i feel like the whole rapidstrike strategy is about like meaningfully placing damage counters.You have you have like the the sorry, the gringo, the intelli, a snipes aswell. S like you can really be creative, with the way that you use this. I likeit a lot sure yeah, absolutely and it's good to see as well. I just want topoint out: just you know, going further on certaincards is good to see that they're printing. More of these gloves as well.We haven't really seen the gloves be played, but it's nice that they'regiving kind of an option to every every pokemon that might want to use itso dicking says an example attach this tool to one of your pokemon and thenwin. This pokemon card does damage your to your opponens active, fighting,pokemon, it's in greased by thirty, so there might be some. You know potentialuse there and the future yeah i mean even like you think aboutlike the garbato man, like attaching a couple of tools like that, you knowthat's a definite boost, make in a huge threat. Yeah, no doubt no doubt also got derek and chat shout at thejump up could use like the rapid strikes, bread scroll in combo, thesimian to just spread a ridiculous amount of damage, every turn, whichwould be very, very cool. I didn't think about approaching it from thatangle yeah, but they are definitely like some cool strates. You canattacking twice always introduces unique strategies. I feel like right.One right, maybe are obvious on first glance right now, there's a handful ofsupporters as well being released so rye han choose one basic energy card from yourdiscard pil and attached to one of your pokemon and then search your deck forany one card and put it into your hand, and you can only play this card if oneof your progam knocked out doing your opponents last turn. So, but it's stilli mean this is like in that same vein of rosa. In that same vein of teammates, i think is, is maybe the better comparison but you'regetting an energy accelerated, which is always good. You know, for the mostpart, ninety or eighty percent of cards thatcan attach extra energy are playable and then and then you know, search your deck forany one car and put in your hand. So it's kind of like a best of both worlds,right, you're, getting an attack or set up and then you're also searching outthat card that you might need. We also get a school girl. It's going to beyour what probably like ideal supplementary supporter in in a sealedenvironment in a prerelease environment. So it's drawtwo cards. If your prona has even number of prize cards or maning drawtwo more and then, of course, we get a copy cat reprint with amazing art. Imean copy cat. Just seems like one of those cards that like works in everygeneration, because you have all new trainers. So, like the art just youknow, it makes itself in essence. So this one has leon, it's got marni, it'sgot. I don't know who that guy in the back is some like tv guy or something that's rose. Oh that's ro! Oh, my gosh, i'm so usedto o dad bod rose,...

...rosie, look so skinny yeah. So really everything h. I meanwhat happened. You know there is a lot that so boy, but he draws on the oddprize cards which is kind of less optimal. I feel, like yeah, sure surewe also get the return of shana so shan up a very controversial card, thoughback in the day when one o sana san and birch. So there is shauna that coulddraw five cards and there was another card called professor birch'sobservations and it drew four cards shot at your hand and draw four cards,but you flip a coin, and if heads you get to draw seven cards, so the roi wasbetter, but you had to do it on a flip right.So there was a chance, fifty percent chance that you've got just four cardsmaking it. You know just you nerving yourself pretty hard, and then we alsohave zinias resolve here. You must discard two cards from your hand inorder to play this car draw one card for each of your ponent pokemon in play,so very reminiscent to something like a stevens resolve. You know just more like meissen of theoriginal steven, yeah sure or or that yeah exactly or i advice, yeah stevens advice, sevensadvice, that's what i meant. Yeah, not stephens, resolve, of course, yeah orair. Does a tality similar, except you know your more flexibility of when youcan play it. Yeah yeah! I like that. I don't think that this card i mean hot.Take. I don't think it's really a hot take, but i don't think i was in news.Resolve is going to see any play just because of the discard. You know,you're, probably better off just drawing rock cards or shuffling andredrawing, or something like that. In most cases, discarding, especially atthe end of the game, is just not going to be a thing that you want to do, butit is nice to just have these options yeah. I think it also depends like howthick of a bench you're expecting in them at a like. You know if aternus iseverywhere. Maybe this is worth sloughing in, because being able todraw aid cards is great, but you know there's some decks that areplaying like two three bench folkman. You know it's like yeah, that's not funt discarding to you to draw three, that's worse than how true true true, so there's to yeah orhop now exactly so, there's a few v max pokemon that we should definitely goover. So of course, the re quas vi max very nice ability allows you to discardyour hand and draw three carts, so you know just allows you to churnthrough your deck, which i feel like rat. Uas is just kind of again thatarchetypal, you know nature of the card just coming back here and then g maxburst for a fire and a lightning twenty damage. You may discard either anynumber of basic fire or any number of basic lightning energy from this pokemonad. Obviously, the combo there's with flafferin kind of you know it's real right rages there. You go, this is rails again, yeah just yeah. No,we won't beat around the bush. Then we got a dragon. I v with a couple ofattacks, pretty pretty forgettable, i would say, but has a okay snipingattack. We already brought up metaca. Of course there is a trevant that i do want ahighlight so trevenen, not not great, but it does the first attack year forsong forty damaged times the number of supporter cards in your opponent'sdiscard pile. So something to keep on the radar. I feel like grass has beenkind of lacking, and it's like overly strong max is an obviously treman isnot like a card that i would consider overly strong, but it is one of thosecards that i could see, certainly ramping up in the lake game and justgetting kind of out of control much in the way that trash lanch garbage did yeah absolutely, especially when you're,like a supporter, a supporter. Having met a like how a trash lance is in a veryitem, havy meta right. Absolutely, we have a gardo v max hyper beam. Ahundred twenty damage discard an indugio. Your potent to act to pokemonand you know, vanilla, second attack that does two hundred forty damagefeels like they were just doing. Some fan service here with the garitas, nota lot of play a bill and not a lot of immediate playability. In my mind, forthat card we got a volcano v, surging flames, twenty dams, the tectis, twentyor damage reach basic energy card. In your discard, pile then shuffled. Thosecards back into your deck seems like it could have been good if it didn't havethat second condition to the attack like if you could just load the load,the discard with a bunch of fires and then you in half like shot one backhere. It's like a vitin prism, again sure sure the yeah and the nice thingis of course, that it's that it's just for one fire, yeah energy right, so youdon't need the wilder or, i guess, post rotation. You wouldn't need multipleturn tip. The thing is like pustota ion. I don't know o how fire is even goingto do anything.

I don't know. Vitin venex, like isprobably still pretty decent. An ax is probably good, but it max polly doesn'tplay enough fires to really make oh er sure you at all meaull yeah totallytotally. We have the sweekin, which we talked a little bit about, and then wehave a goa lurk. The with the second attack rewind beam, one hundred andeighty. If your opponents active, is an evolved, pokmon, remove the higheststage and devolve or return that card. To your poets hand, seems cool man likelike at first feline. There's a way to choose through v max is at that thatright, that's what i'm saying it's like it doesn't do enough damage righthundred and eighty is not a like ta yeah, not enough to knock out a v butyeah, like you, said with the italians. Maybe you could do something there. You know it is a kind of a double edgedsword in some cases, because there are certainly times where you wouldn't. Youdon't actually want to knock out the basic v and you'd rather knock out theevolved temax right like if you hit, you know an eternius for one hundredand eighty and you forced it to pick up the the v max if they play back downand you rewind beam again, then you're going to knock out the vpokemon instead of the v max, so it seems like there's something there andneeds the right partner and it has a pretty high energy cost, but certainlyyou want to keep an eye out for, and then we have a like in rock card like a rockmakes a triumphant return. Hunting claw here is the first attack i'd like it. Ilike it she's one of your pontis poke on a play with sixth pr, less netpokemon is knocked out. So kind of just you know like a snipe. Essentially,volting is cringe. That's the fuckin, just said of volting is cringe for sure.Is that what did andrew have that translation up? I don't know okay, thatsounds like a tricky gym, translation for sure and then second attack max ite,n, o hondred and ninety. This tech is thirty damage, twenty, your pomentsbenched pokemon and any of these v maxes that that really stand out to you,they're ally, i mean requires. Obviously like stands out quite a bit.I think i think the liken rock is probably the next most appealing. Oneto me eyes, you know being able to kind of oppress your opponent's evolutionboard. State is definitely notable. Yeah yeah and you can. I mean it's soeasy right, because it's just that one energy. We have one more that imentioned, of course in the duro ludon v, and this i mean this one is actually somewhat legitimate justbecause of the ability so derland on v max here with the sky. Scraper abilityprevent all damage done to this pokemon by attacks for metafor opponents.Pokmon has any special energy attached to it, i'm so these kinds of abilities. You know you think about something likegearin ex from the past that had a little more expansive ability than this.But still you know in that same vein. Was you pretty good for the majority of itslifetime and yeah? I don't know i could seesomething like durilu being similar. If we can figure out a way to to you know power it up a little easier,but there's a g max pulverization, two hundred twenty damage, which is a goodnumber, remember that most of the v, the basic vs, have that two hundred andtwenty or less hit points, and it says this text damage isn't affected by anyeffects on your opponents. Active poke, monts, also kind of you know a shredstyle attack which is generally nice to see any thoughts there on derlon or any of the other max woke onthe round. I think dur loans, okay, it also has a clear pairing with the thedragon thank scroll, so for one additional energy attachment from itsnormal attack. You can do three hundred damage, which could maybe be useful threehundred kim an awkward number, but with single strike energy you get up to liethree and forty pretty o. I think it's just to clarify. I think it's two fromits normal tac. I thought a mormal techs for energy yeah, it's threeenergy, okay, yeah! No, no! You re yeah, you're yeah! There! You go it's so it'stwo more energy, but then you know you slap a couple of single strike: energyon there and you're able to get some pretty astronomical damage, basicallyone shot of emac even easier than single striker. Shefed, which is saying something that is saying something, absolutely so verycool. That's a very high level overview of what we have in store and certainly,as we get closer, we'll be profiling. Few of these more cards a little bitmore and how they kind of work themselves into decks and how you mightsee these going forward. Yeah. Absolutely one last thing i want toshout out is the rescue trolley you just tip to toe pokemon with nine perless and you discard reveal them put them into your hand, so kind of like astretchera reprint a way, but only for...

...like little guys, which i like right,because it is that kind of boost that you would want for those types of decks.Yeah with that, though, i think we fit thattime is a time for the car of the day, it's time for the car of the day, okay!Well, i have a treat. I hope there have been a lot of cards of the day, and ihope this is not a repeat, but my cart of the day is a card that i iit was a special card, a special card that only certain people could get right when i was starting the game.This was the card that everybody wanted at my local scene, i feel, is going somewhere disastrous.No, no! It's not going anywhere disastrous scott. It's got a legendarypokemon. It's got three starter pokemon and they're. All everybody's happyeverybody's celebrating and that is: do you know what card i'm talking about?Riley, a legendary poem on three starter, fuck on and everyone'scelebrating? No and everybody wants this card. Is itlike victory, metal or something there? S is a victory cup yeah's the card, sothe cup was the kind of trophy card. You had a first place. The second placea third place. I don't think they had a fourth place.You can correct me if i'm wrong on that, but it basically is a functional copy ofpokal flip, a coin. If head search your deck for a pokemon reveal to put inyour hand, okay, so poka all right, a really generally unplayable card. Soyou know that's kind of nice in terms of you're, not you're, not trying towin these cards to put them in your deck right, you're winning these cardsfor the art work for the what they mean, and they also have a first place.Seplasia stamp on them. They say battle roads. This was the tournament formatwhen i first joined the game, so i was really interested in these victory cupsand i probably have you know, as many probi probably havemore victory cups than i have like. Well, no, that's not true. I have likeprobably twenty victory cups of any variety, but they have you know theywere. They were how you you know how how you kind of showed your swag right.You had them in your binder, the kind of up front right. You say like oh yeah,i got. I got four first places you know a last month like that is pretty coolright, a battle roads. They were just a little bit different than leaguechallenges in the sense that they actually had a top cut. So you wouldplay your swiss rounds and then you would bracket off into kind of aregional style bracket. You know top cut and then you would win your victory cupdepending on where he plays. So i always really like these. They weresuper cool, obviously pokemon kind of paired down the battle road to make ita little more casual in the league challenge where you didn't have this,this top cut finish, but yeah victory cup victime ye gotsnivy, tep pig, ashead, all parting, it up in a giant goblet, depending on howyou placed it's gold, silver, bronze, and that is my card of the day. Yeahvictor a couple as seriously cool. I, like the format, change to leaguechallenge. I think, like i like having the separation between a lee challengeand elite cup, where it's like le challenge. You just play the swiss andyou're done right, but i missed the like dedicated okay, a word cards. I guess you know. Ihave a lot of like lee challenge level. First play stamp cards, but i thinkthey're just less cool than having a victory cup yeah and that's one of thethings about these trophy cards is that i would like to see make a return is ifthey have a funk like they just give them functional text, that's exactlythe same as another card, and it could be a playable, cart or not playablecard. But imagine if we got like first place victory cups and it waslike switch or something you know and like that would be a cool way if it wasso t, you'd have to make sure you can't play in the same deco, serch yeah surei mean there had to be. Maybe some stipulation i don't know if you couldplay victory, cups and poke balls in the same deck. But obviously it's not. You knowparticularly relevant, but yeah. You know if they have kind of thefunctional similarity to a card, that's already in format, butjust has you know that that cool artwork and that kind ofdistinguishable stamp. I think that's really really interesting and i'd liketo see that return. Honestly or even, dare i say something like you know,professor's research, but it just has you know a special art and specialstamp. I think that'd be a re, corfee yeah. You know you, professor, that youcan only get if you get first place. That would be cool. That would bereally cool. He get a professor okan. If you get the first place, orsomethingdude, he man, you should be working at...

...pokemon. I should be ihre this man so yeah. I do like the idea of likespecial cards like that, though i do just a layer of meeting. I did justwant to point out, though the victory cups were kind of funny in the art work.Just while we're on the arbor are the victory cups, because first place everything's happening all of victina's friends. Are there right, they're all celebrating his first place,victory third place: there are ashwater pig and snivy thethey're nowhere to be seen no yeah. It's like it's sad man. The drop offbetween the mets second and third is like he's celebrating alone. I just ishudder to think at what's going through vic tiny's brain in the thirdplace picture and he's watching all the other girtinis celebrated. That's right at that sad well, in the spirit,tournaments and winning them. I feel like we have to. As you know, we arethe tech team poem on trading card game podcast. We got to talk about themetagame we got so last week. A huge focus of our discussion was on shadowwriter and it's dominant in the meta, and that is definitely still remained athing. Shadow writer is still probably probably the best act still to behonest, but its medagasho has definitely gotten a little moretroubling. If you're, a shadow i er player, namely the the prevalence ofdark in the metagame, has surged, and i think one of the most interestingpieces of that is the the af multoe is really up right now i mean it yeah. Itis solidly taken over as the main, a dp archetype, yeah, and i mean i've even seen listswhere people are like. Not even playing zasshi anymore, which co be as wild. Imean that curt is like so broken. I don't know how you how you don't playation, but at the same time i mean it is kind of cool that you're, coveringyour basis in a different way that auction just can't and so maybe likefreeing up that bench space is going to be more beneficial to you in the longrun. Yeah i think my take on it is sashing is very, very good in certainmatch ups as well as an attacker, but then it's useless as an attacker in,like these weakness based match. Ups that you're trying to hit with yourbirds right. So it's kind of a medagin call even to like how useful is asian,the grands right yeah it's. I mean it's kind of crazy right to think. Like twohundred sixty like a two hundred sixty attack, assuming you, you know braveblade after an altered creation like just isn't good enough anymore, but that's kind of what we've resortedto yeah, so ap multis. Definitely on the up. Doyou have any hot takes on a p mutrus? Any particular secret inclusions youlike in it. No not particularly i mean the deck is all about teching right, so you just have to know kind of whatyou're going into. But it's it's really a an interesting archetype, because andone that we haven't really seen in a while, but you're just playing a ton ofdifferent energy types. You're being very, i don't know you're being very kind ofgreedy in some senses, with your pokemon right, you're, just spreadingthem out a lot right like in old adposcere, and then you were alwaysguaranteed to have like something that you can do now. You know you prize orto maltres right or you prize. You know your two of your better attackers inthat particular match up. You might be kind of kind of screwed in the longsense, of course, a tp and boss kind of make up for a lot of sins. But it'sjust worth noting that there's a little less consistency in the attacking sideof things, but that's also cool, because you get to just counter a lotmore things that you otherwise weren't able to so no real. How takes for me,but it's interesting, to see that this archetype has has supplanted classic apzahi yeah. It's definitely really cool. I mean it's still atfe, so it's not notthe best thing to see in the world like nobody really loves seeing that, but ithink it's exciting that people are trying to do things and there's a newavenues to play existing archetypes. It's always as really cool to see iceriders also been on the up in the last couple of weeks. You know it's slowly gaining a betterfoothold in the meta. I think it's a mixture of people are finding ways thatthey like to play it more and just more people are trying it as well. I thinkpeople are like really laser focused on chatard to start with, and now eregiven ice rider. A chance you know, path to the peak is reallythe name of the game, with ice writer being able to consistently deal outpretty high amounts of damage, you know...

...almost always guarantee to it, ko on amax or one at k on a v and ye having that path of the pee. Just constantlyin play, so your opponent can't really respond as effectively as they would.Otherwise i mean that's just a try and the strategy right, like disruptingyour ponisi es and doing a lot of damage. Do you have any you knowparticular takes on on ice rider? Would you rather play it than shadow writerat the moment? I don't think i would, but i'm like slowly giving it morecredit. You know i kind of started out the format saying, like obviouslyshadow writers better, but then, as we've seen, you know, decks havecountered that right, you're, either playing alternative or maybe at p,ultras to kind of take advantage of the psychic base generally being a dark week right. So then, okay, i had ihad ice rider solidly to or two and then a couple weeks ago we were talkingabout it a little more and i was saying: okay ice ritter. Now i give it a littlemore credit. You know people are starting to come up with better listsand then now, all of a sudden, i'm finding myself, you know really havingto admit that it probably is a ter on archetype right now. Certainly more andmore people are playing it, it's having better and better results, and thelists are just getting more and more fine. One thing that i want to pointout about the list. That was not the way that i was building icewriter and is probably why i wasn't seeing as much success, but they arefocusing more around alternate supporters as opposed to research, and so what that means isthat you're keeping all of your resources until the end of the game.You're, not discarding those. You know reset stamps that you might need you're,not discarding the energy that you might need later in the game, the pathof the peaks that you might want to play at certain times. With my researchbase build, i found i found that i was often discarding a lot of resourcesthat i otherwise wanted to have right later in the game, but we're seeingthese decks consistently rely on, and particularly an ice writer's case relyon the antelias to dig out what they want from the deck of return or themanchino sentio lines to dig out. You know what they need every turn, andthat seems to work well enough that they don't need to rely on research,thus keeping a few more resources in the deck that could maybe win them thegame. So i love the innovation that these players arebringing with the archetype in particular, but but generally speaking,with a lot of archetypes, especially when it comes to the italian line being included index, because it meansthat they can cut back on a lot of the you know: dedee crow bats and then, and then researches rightthey can. They can afford to play for marny. You know, maybe even things likeyou know: higher cancel bird keeper or higher councils like erica'shospitality. They don't have to rely on research to dig through the deckbecause they can pick out whatever they want. Every single turn with somethinglike an tellin, so i just think ice writer is a great example of how youcan play these decks without a standardized kind of for research formarny. You know to do dene to crowbait, build and still have a lot of success.So i think you partially answered the question about to ask in your your take here, but are you a biggerfan of the gangin line or the italia online? I'm a bigger fan of the intelli on linefor me that allows that allows from better decision making throughout the courseof a game both in in you know. Thinking about youknow that one item that you want to grab off the driz ile and then also you know whether or notyou want to evolve into the damage the damaging. You know the sniping italianor you know, get two more trainers out of your deck with the other in talian.To like that to me is really huge in terms of decision making. I find wheni'm playing these in tellines. It's great, like i feel, like the format, isreally healthy right now, because we have these decks. That can do very welland they're very skill intensive, because you have to choose not onlylike window evolve but like when you evolve. What you're going to take out of the day like it just seems to meto be very, very healthy, we're not just relying on like zooming throughthe deck as fast as you can, unless you're, maybe an at p deck, but yeah is great. I love that we'rewe're able to do that right now. I definitely agree the the more choicesyou make in a game, the better, in my opinion, of being able tointroduce some of these these fun new ways to to do. That is really cool. Imean even shadow writer has that, like they don't have necessalily on, but theway that they're attaching energies and even the micro decisions of you know,should i use my ability, before or after a marne, and should i play xinca to thin or what theinteresting thing too about shadow rider. Is that they're also, i feellike generally trending away from the max count of research, because i've been seeing things likeyou know: lessoned accounts of...

...attackers so like maybe a one one lineof the alchemy which we had talked about previously. Being you know, apath to you know, of course, take those big knockouts, but you maybe don't wantyou know three three right, you're not going to use it every single match upbecause a lot of times the shadow rider cally rex me max, and it's of itself isgoing to get there with the one shots but like in order to preserve that oneone line, and then the various other texts maybe have one gang ar mimic you.You know we were seeing these lists trend a little bit more toward marnibased engines. You know that are going to save andpreserve those resources for the future. So it's cool man poke mons. Cool on iscool. O god is cool. I have a couple questions in chat here that actually, ithink, tie in with some of the other things i wanted to talk about here inthe meta. So first off is thoughts on luke metal. Now that path counters zamazenta. I don't think it's exactly that straightforward. You know i think, lukemetal, you know you play you'll play a highswell account, of course, to try and deal with the path proactively andpassional is problematic, but i think you'll be surprised at how effectivethe deck still is. It's still picking up some pretty top placements veryregularly and that manifest in a couple of ways like the shadow rider decks,aren't necessarily always playing path, and even if they are, you can really hit them with, like somesolid early energy disruption and slow down and just win like a morestraightforward kind of way and in ice fighter matchup, you hit them forweakness, so you just lay on so much pressure so fast and they don't have aslike a mar shadow to deal with the swell as easily usual right right. So look, dental is still definitelygood. Yeah luke metal is is a nice deck, andi mean it's one of the originators of kind of this. No research strategyright where they're trying to keep all their resources. You know just to kind of tie in thatpoint as well, but yeah, i think, like you're. Looking at these ation lookmetals and, like you said, they're playing, you know those two swells now,where maybe last format they were maybe dropping to one or something or playinga lesson or zero in some cases, but they're also playing guzman halo, whichis not necessarily what we've seen from zachal metal decks. But certainly a lotof the topics that i've been seeing from tournaments are playing at leastone guzman halla to be able to have that ability to tad call for the gozmafor the stadium at the exact turn that they would need it to counter the pathof the peak right. So do i think lou metal is the best ever been like now. Ithink it right of my head higher hives, but i don't think it's bad at all rightnow and we did talk about it a little bitlaster as well. Yeah, i mean it's always the kind of deck that'll be upthere right just because it takes that slower pace of play, there's not reallymuch fire in the meta, and if there is like you could generally not factor,you know figure that you're going to play more than one with ice writer,surging and popularity. That's both. You know that that kind ofcounter to the fire decks and also a generally good match up to play intojust because of weakness. So i think there's a lot of reasons right now toplay lukari on my medal. Absolutely the other question in chat, which ties intoanother point i want to talk about. We will single friesack. I would be ableto hold up against the meta and i think they're struggling, but not completelyout i mean you have decks like like spiritum is still kind of on theniche it's like it has been for the last few meadows and it does get a new matchup work andhit for weakness. The downside, obviously being you have to be reallycareful with how you play your spirit, tumes, because shadow writer can useits second attack on the basic ve to i really mass with you, if you're, notcareful yeah, but outside of that, like you know, you are hitting them forweakness, so you can even ramp up to like one hit ko max in one turn with without having a prior spirit tumdown like that's, how that's how crazy the ramp is on spirit in these days, so that's definitely worth pointing out.Another single prize deck that is a staple is of course decide that might not fit exactly the moldthat you were going for, but you know, de cities is, of course, apowerful force in the meta game that is not going anywhere, yep yep! Absolutely it's just you know it'shard when you factor in park, i would say particularly the intelli right likeyou, look at probably the premier single prose of the last format beingmad party, and then it just doesn't pour over that. Well, particularlybecause it's shattereth, that's just a devastating attack, but also you're.Looking at more sniping from the likes...

...of mentelin just makes it really hardto survive in a meta game. That's you know, primarily those two horses yeah.I think i do kind of have a minor complain. I think that shadow writers,like basic attacks, are too good. Sure sure, like i think, shad writer is not likesuper overpowered or anything, but like especially. The first attack is likekind of ridiculous being able to lock out, like specialyean stadiums, just a yeah, an attack for one energy attachment, like that'schaos, so we all man like you're, put in effort to power of a chaos wheel so and then it's it's other attack kindof is oppressive to one price tex. So just not a not a favorable time rightnow, and for because i like it when cards have like usable basics, you know,but that that was too far pokamal it was, i think it was a little to it.Didn't need both of those for sure an yo want huh, yeah, yeah yeah, maybe onevery cool anything else that you're looking at the meta game and you're,like maybe scratching your head at. I was talking to somebody recently aboutdark box, maybe making a potential comeback. Obviously you have the galarymaltres right, you're, going to get that energy back every single turn, butthen to be able to move it around with we vile, maybe has some pretty decentmatch. Ups in the format, i think even azul rated it very highly, likesurprisingly ily on his his power ranking. So i've been a fan of thisdark box build since i first saw it in that ff tournament. Yeah the the problem with it. The majorproblem with it is: it needs to hit a bunch of cabo pieces very early and it doesn't play pretty much anyreal draw supporters i, like is very heavy into like this tag, call engine. So it's easy. It's like easy to hitstuff, also easy to whiff in a way. If that makes sense like. If you start atag, call you can get some a pretty okay board state but, like you might bemissing, like the one piece still that you need, which just makes it hard to chain likeyour next turn, so i like it. I think it's still good like at least okay, buti don't think it's like a phenomenal deck either sure sure you know, i don'tsee a reason why you would necessarily choose it or some of these other topicsthat we're talking about, but i do think it's good yeah yeah, no doubt any other kind of maybe head scratchersor surprises that you see either doing well or being played in high numbers. Imean, if you asked me two weeks ago. I want have said the atpi as absurd andlike so ridiculous, but clearly it's like proven itself other than that imean nothing is really stuck out to me or being like overly surprising. Ialways find it refreshing when i see like a ersari continue to do well andthey are still like appearing in smatterings through everything which ican respect that otherwise, no nothing to too crazy. Idon't think the metagame is kind of isn't falling and i don't it's like an expected way, but it's nota bad way. You know right yeah, no, i mean we're seeing freshthings for seeing you know kind of some consistency rightin just as ashantee tis and sasha luke metal, but they were getting. These newbuilds kind of what i like when a new san releases is when old builds getupdates. So that's certainly kind of you know aipolos like we're like we'retalking about, and maybe even like the mute vial of course, but that wasn'treally that big of an archetype last format but yeah. I think overall, likeif i had to say, were you know whether or not we're in a good place or badplace. Like i'm saying overwhelmingly, it is a good time to play pokemon rightnow. It's definitely a lot of fun. So yea one thing that we wanted to talkabout today. It looks like we didn't have time for was kind of the lowerattendance numbers, which kind of surprised me cause bokos, a lot of funright now, so, whether you're playing in real life atyour new local tournaments, which may be have come back or if you're playingonline. We hope that you're enjoying the game as much as us and let us knowwhat you're thinking about it as well. You know we do have these social mediatags henis a twitter as mouth of riles, real john walter and at tag team,pokemon or here on twitch, with moner, where we scream the show every week orflex, daddy righteous, where w does his live streams and he's also fucks atyour rights on youtube. If you want to see some one is awesome, contentappreciate a rally: yeah that'll do it for us today great chat. We will talkabout more exciting topics next week, although of course i must warn you.Riley will be gone next week. So g, i...

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