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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 43 · 1 year ago

3-43. Celebrate Good Times

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are excited about all of the new developments in the trading card game. There are new cards, a new meta, and lots of fun to be had!

Yo, what is up, guys? I'm back to tag team, the POKEMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name is Riley horrible, joined as always by my good, good friend Mr JW Cree Wall, JW. How's it going? It's gone pretty well, Riley. How are you? I'm thriving, man, I'm thriving dead's excellent to hear, all things considered. Yeah, so very hunkered down at work right now. I have a big like project going live next week, so heads up to the listeners, I won't be on the show next week. But on the upside, I learned yesterday that I've been using bobby pins for like my big old hair now the wrong way. I've been they've been facing the wrong way for months now, and soone finally corrected me on how to use them. The bobby pins. Yeah, Oh, man, I could have corrected you. Yeah, and I know I had the serrated side sticking out instead of, oh my gosh, the really amateur mistake. Well, you're new. I'm near to the crand one. I'm new right raft, YEP, YEP, and I don't relieve anyone teach me. I just kind of I started putting them in and like this works fine that. Yeah, and I was informed of my failures. Yeah, I know, it totally makes sense, man, it just it doesn't come naturally to some people. But yeah, I'm glad that you're getting you know, I'm glad that you're getting used to it. and well, I, like I'm more committed to the craft than you in the long term. It's not. I'm sticking with. I was in pretty deep, but then he backed out when it atter cut us when the world needed me most advantished. Yeah, I cut, cut, cut it off. Yes, well, maybe, once again, maybe there's like a redemption arc and here, somewhere, maybe maybe your hair does look clean at hect does true? True. Yeah, well, thanks all. Thanks to my wife for sure. What's been going on in your side of the court? Well, we have. We're just talking before the cast and you know, viewers that are watching this on Youtube, as I you know, every five seconds, like wipe my brow, we are getting air conditioning in this house. There you go. That is is extremely exciting. It has been hovering in the low s for the days and I'm in my office, which you know, it's just it just gets really hot in here and then and then, yeah, I just am like I'm wiping down like my arms right now and it's like actually, like it feels like I washed my hind me. Yeah, slimy, and my wife doesn't like it. So I try to like give her as many like hubs as possible, because she just was like, Oh, you know, I these are new clothes, these this a fresh dress. You know that kind of thing. I'm sure, like the lights bearing down on you or don't help either. They definitely don't. Yeah, but it's you know what it's? It's what I do for my craft. That's okay, the sacrifices I make. That's right. Asian, that's right. Now, leave us, leave us, leave us a review, please. It's right, great, Nervi I've five star review. Anything else that kind of going on in your sphere? Man? We're going to go to Detroit this weekend, which is nice. We're taking a few trips. Actually coming up we're going to take a trip to Wisconsin. Actually, yeah, to Manaqua, Naqua, I don't know. I think it's I think it's pretty far north compared to Madison, but like, I'm sure you'd be welcome to to come by. We're going to a little like lakehouse thing cabin. Yeah, so that'll be pretty fun. And then we got a few got another like wedding coming up to also in Wisconsin, but this one I think the wedding is like in Madison. So like we'll probably have the meet up for sure. So play in the area will meet up for sure. Cool, awesome. So I'm glad to hear things are going well and I'm super glad to hear that the sliminess will be put down tomorrow. Would just one day, one slimy day. That's right. So, before we get into anything, one thing that I wanted to make sure that we hit on was just offering our congratulations and recognizing the folks who are going to be advancing to the global's finals for the Players Cup. So we're not going to harp too much on kind of the Meta analysis here, because the battle styles Meta is complete. It guess you could say. We know we're deep into the chilling rain world now, but I will call out all the players and some of their decks. So from Latin America we have, and I apologize if I butcher pronunciation of any of these names. I'm sincerely trying my best. From...

Latin America we have DALT NUTCHETA playing at turn its v Max on Hell, Ronnie Bar playing Pikachu and Ze Crom Bruno guerras playing mad party. And Gosh, I I will not get this right. I'm this embarrassing. How do you how do you say like Madariros, you know, talking about like starts with the Ja Pedros, Maderiros. How do you say that name? It's a Brazilian name, like like it's like Joa with squiggle. Yeah, like like Juow, like that is Jua. Maybe Juao Shuah I've kind of makes sense. Yeah, I apologize if I butcher. That's, I think a Chouou. I think it's like it's like that kind of a usually that visually checks out with me. Uh Huh, but I live in the Midwest. So also playing Pikatinon ZAC ground. So if you could use that crome showing up big in Latin America. In Europe we have hampas Ericson playing control, which is super sixty, and that make it through even with the rule changes. We have Pascal Lore playing betune Mu Gx, as well as Leonardo Martin's playing Mutu and mugx with the real a boom. Yes, well, though, those players with real boom. And then we have pedro playing his favorite rapid striction, Chino Dack, from day one and USA, believe, very cool. In North America we have Aaron Friedman with rapid strike, Dan Hugar with Pikacheon, Zach Ram, Alex Shamansky with Mad Party, a couple mad parties, which I love to see, and Isaac Tron with you too, Geraci, gx toolbox, so the Psychic Youtube variant. HMM. And then finally, in the Oceania region, we have Zayad Afiza playing rapid strike, Ting Chan playing ATP Christian has Bonnie Playing Pika Che in Zech Rom and Peter Lowe playing mute, reala boom, so mute reala boom, kind of an undergrade superstar here. And I'll a number of spots here in the top top sixteen. What three spots? Pretty incredible. That is super cool. So look forward word to to seeing how those global finals pan out. A lot of really recognizable names like really these are some of the top players and each of these regions. So I'm excited to see what they cook up for the yeah, fine, and just congratulations to all the players that made it to the second day of the Players Cup and congratulations of all the players that made it even into the first day. It was I certainly what's that did. Better enough, se made that far. There you go, there you go. Yeah, but yeah, no, I looking forward to seeing how the top sixteen finishes up. I think we might, might might know one of the commentators, but I digress. Um, let's move on, shall we? Yeah. So, first things first. We haven't had a chance to talk about this in a little while here, and that is some new cards that have come out, very excuse stuff. So the Japanese sets that will combine to become our evolving sky set have been fully revealed and before we dive Tvdfen, that I do want to plug, the twenty five anniversary set has been revealed and lightly teased as far as what's going to be inside of it, and it is very cool. So it is called celebrations, similar to, you know, generations in terms of naming convention and what it's what the plan is for the set is to first off, there's going to be a lot of kind of like prints of old famous cards. So think like base at chars are, think top of Lee Gx, and I'm Brian Star were something that they listed in the original announcement. But then they're also doing, which I think is really, really cool, these callbacks to past eras but using modern pokemon. So one that we've seen images of now, and I definitely recommend checking this out if you haven't seen it, is there is a dragon fault prime, which looks incredible, and there's a mimic you that's like water type as a Delta species, which is so fun. There's going to be a Greninja's star, just so much really cool so I love that. It's what a great way to like celebrate the history of the game. Yeah, absolutely, and they've also made, I just want to you know while we're here, the HYDROGON SP and Asashin level x. So they've kind of taken iconic cards from each of these generations. Right you have the light and dark pokemon, the SP pokemon, level x Pokemon, Delta Species Primes, which I'm a huge Stan of, and certainly certainly a few more that we just haven't seen product scans of, and they're combining them into this little mini...

...set. Next it gets just such a great and pretty unique way to honor this twenty five anniversary of Pokemon. Yeah, I'm really excited for this. It looks so fun. Those these are the kind of acts that you just love to open, you know. Ya, feels so cool. I feel like with every one of these sets I'm like, Oh yeah, I want to get the whole collection, you know, because it's like twenty five cards, and then I know inevitably I'm going to fall very short. But yeah, it's still it's still cool the dream. They they look really nice. What are your thoughts, Riley, on the twenty five anniversary sticker and the right hand corner of the card? I mean, I feel like they almost have to do that for the reference that they're doing to a distinguish the being sketchy and like trying to resell them like the originals and be to also like preserve the value of the originals, like they don't have the twenty per so you know that they're still there's no comparison right, like it's the there's a stamp and there's the original. That's a good point. Yeah, I didn't even consider that very interesting. Kind of my take on it. Yeah, now totally makes sense, but yeah, they look beautiful. I mean look it up on poker guardian or Poka Beach, if you haven't already these things are stunning. seriously. Yeah, super cool. But with that we do want to talk about the future of actually the cards that we'll be playing, which is coming up in evolving skies. So, Gw what are some standouts for you in the evolving sky set? Yeah, it's pretty cool. We've finally gotten all the scans and it just seems like we've, you know, kind of had a new set release and then we're already looking like a set, or in some cases two sets, in front of us. But it's really interesting to see some of the some of the card designs in it and maybe places a little bit more the context of the current cards when you compare them against future cards. And so I don't know, there are a few cards that, I'm looking at them maybe won't have like a powerful impact but like are certainly playable and like one of those would be this swee coon that allows you to draw card with its ability if it's in the act of spot and then it also does damage based on the amount of Pokemon that are in place. So obviously that can scale up pretty big depending on how many Pokemon your opponent has, but it can also be kind of played around right, because your opponent can you know, these are the cards that I like, where there's some interaction between what you and your opponent do. So this weakness something that I'm looking at. I also really like, really like, aside from the requise of Vmax, but I really like the garbodor. I know if you have any thoughts on this garbodor, but it allows you to attach to car two tools to it. So garbodor usually has some kind of like tool mechanic. You know, we've had garbo tax and garbodor in the past. We've had like tool drop shrub trubbish, and so now we're seeing this kind of similar theme here with this garbodor allows you to have tool to tool cards to tool, say that ten times fast to tool cards attached to it as the ability and then just does like a generic you know, a hundred twenty poison. Can't retreat on your opponents extra and so, you know, maybe a two shot style attack there against the v Max Meta. But I think that's really cool. Like I could see that the playing it with two helmets right, so your opponent would attack into the garbodor and then they'd have to pick up to energy back to their hand. That could be really cool. Conte dator and you, I know right, and there's a number of other tools. I don't know that that could be kind of NEAT. Like, you know, you could play tool jammer on top of like another useful tool. Right. There's just some ways you could play this card that I think are really interesting. Yeah, Oh, for sure, a couple of like, if we're on the topic of like some of these niche cards that stick out, one that actually sticks out to me is the Altaria that less you put a supporter on the top of your deck every turn. I see a lot of potential with that. In some of these like control x that play it thin all in, like the locking all Taria Line, you could also play this Altaria as a means to like quickly turn through the supporters in your deck. So I think that's pretty cool. I love those kind of like niche evolution scenarios. Yeah, in generally, like I like the themes of a lot of these cars. I like what they're going for. I like that they made among us into a car that's cool with the full face shield. Yeah, so that's sick. I also I randomly like the jump love that can attack twice, just because I really like it when you can attack twice. I don't think there's like a way to really use this or an effective way, but right, you know, one day, if there's...

...like enough damage modifiers or something, this could be really cool. And it does like self excelerate its own evolution, because when you attach an energy to the skip bloom, it evolves into the Dank love. Yeah, for sure. So, yeah, there may be some way to play that again, like you said, with damage modifiers. I mean that's not unusual for Pokemon to do this and like it was the only reason that Meta Cham, which is probably a comparable double attacking Pokemon, that was the only reason that could be played right, because you think about like the tools that were out when it was around. We had muscle band and also the choice band, which boosted by twenty two any Pokemon, and then with choice band you could do thirty two X and GX POKEMON. I think, yeah, ex and Gx Pokemon, and then, you know, and then you had, of course, strong energy, you had dancy prism star. So is grass the type of mechanic that I'll get damage boost like that? Probably not like the dancy. You know, it's probably not going to get a dancy type herds, probably not going to get a strong energy type hard but it could or there could be some other kind of mechanic that we're not seeing. Like you know there's a there's a chair room or something that boost damage of grass type POKEMON, for instance. So yeah, and the last kind of niche card I want to call out is the the Metacham v with the Yoga loop. So you're unfamiliar. Did the Meta Cham for to colorless energy puts too damage counters on one of your opponent's Pokemon and if you get a knockout in this way, you skip your opponent's turn, basically. So that's obviously very cool. The catchies you can't use yoga loop multiple turns in a row, even if on different metacham but I could see there being in a rapid strike like some kind of crazy combo you can pull off with this, because I feel like the whole rapid strike strategy is about like meaningfully placing damage counters. You have you have like the grit, the sorry, the Krenage of the UNTELLIAN snipes as well. So like you can really be creative with the way that you use this. I like it a lot. Sure, yeah, absolutely, and it's good to see as well. I just want to point out just, you know, going further on certain cards. It's good to see that they're printing more of these gloves as well. We haven't really seen the gloves be played, but it's nice that they're giving kind of an option to every every pokemon that might want to use it. So digging gloves as an example. Attached this tool to one of your pokemon and then when this pokemon card does damage your to your opponents active fighting Pokemon, it's increased by thirty. So there might be some, you know, potential use there and the future. Yeah, I mean even like a you think about like the Garbo or man like attaching a couple of tools like that. You know that's a definite boost make him a huge threat. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. Also got Derek and chat shouting out that the jump luck could use like the rapid strikes bread scroll in Combo with the Simian to just spread a ridiculous I'm out of damage every turn, which would be very, very cool. I didn't think about approaching it from that angle. Yep, but they're definitely like some cool strategies. You can attacking twice always introduces unique strategies, I feel like. Right once right, maybe aren't obvious on first glance. Right now there's a handful of supporters as well being released. So, Ry Han, choose one basic energy card from your discard, pilot attached to one of your Pokemon, and then search your deck for any one card and put it into your hand. And you can only play this card if one of your pokemon was knocked out doing your opponent's last turn. So, but it's still I mean, this is like in that same vein of Rosa, in that same vein of teammates. I think is is maybe the better comparison. But you're getting an energy accelerated, which is always good. You know, for the most part, ninety or eighty percent of cards that can attach extra energy are playable. And then, and then, you know, searcher deck for any one card to put in your hand. So it's kind of like a best of both worlds. Right. You're getting an attacker set up and then you're also searching out that card that you might need. We also get a schoolgirl. It's going to be here what probably like ideal supplementary supporter in a sealed environment, in a pre release environment. So it's draw two cards. If your pronent has even number of prize cards remaining, draw two more. And then, of course we get a copycat reprint with amazing art. I mean copycat just seems like one of those cards that like works in every generation because you have all new trainers. So like the art just, you know, it makes itself in essence. So this one has Leon, it's got Marnie, it's got I don't know who that guy in the back is, some like TV guy or something. That's rose. Oh, that's row. Oh my gosh, I'm so used to dad bought rose. Rose, you look...

...so skinny. Yeah, yeah, Huh, really very think. Huh. I mean, what happened? You know, there is a all that little boy, but he draws on the odd price cards, which is kind of less optimal. I feel like yeah, sure, sure. We also get the return of Shawna so Seana, a very controversial card, though, back in the day when one Shauna Shawan and Birch. So there is Shauna that could draw five cards and there was another card called Professor Birch's observations and it drew four cards. Shuffle your hand to draw four cards, but you flip a coin and if heads you get to draw seven cards. So the Roi was better, but you had to do it on a flip right. So there was a chance, fifty percent chance, that you've got just four cards making it, you know, just you nerving yourself pretty hard. And then we also have Zinny as resolve. Here you must discard two cards from your hand in order to play this card, draw one card for each of your opponent's Pokemon in play. So very reminiscent to something like a Steven's resolve, you know, just or like renaissent of the original Steven. Yeah, sure, or or that? Yeah, Orr sele's advice. Yeah, Steven's advice, even advice. That's what I meant. Yeah, not Steven's resolve, of course. Yeah. Or are the hospitality similar, except, you know, you're more flexibility of when you can play it. Yeah, yeah, I like that. I don't think that this card, I mean hot take. I don't think it's really a hot take, but I don't think was in his his resolve is going to see any play just because of the discard. You know, you're probably better off just drawing rock cards or shuffling and redrawing or something like that. In most cases, discarding, especially at the end of the game, is just not going to be a thing that you want to do. But it is nice to just have these options. Yeah, I think it also depends like how thick of your of a bench you're expecting in them at a like, you know, if turn this is everywhere, maybe this is worth slotting in, because being able to draw eight cards is great. But you know, there's some decks that are playing like two, three, evench pokemon. You know it's like, yeah, that's not fun, Druy discarding to you to draw three. That's worse than how true, true, true, or so there's hot, yeah, or hop now exactly. So there's a few vmax pokemon that we should definitely go over. So, of course the Ray quas of emacs very nice. Ability allows you to discard your hand and draw three cards. So you know, just allows you to churn through your deck, which I feel like Ray quas is just kind of again that archetype Boal, you know, nature of the card, just coming back here and then gmax burst for a fire and a lightning. Twenty damage. You may discard either any number of basic fire or any number of basic lightning energy from this pokemon. And obviously the Combo there's with flaffy to form some kind of you know, it's right, high, right, ray'ls. There you go, this is rayels again. Yeah, just, yeah, I wouldn't. I know. We won't beat around the Bush there. We got a Dragon IV with a couple of attacks, pretty pretty forgettable, I would say, but has a okay sniping attack. We already brought up Meta Cham. Of course there is a trevnet that I do want to highlight. So trevnant not, not great, but it does the first attack here for Song Forty Damage Times the number of supporter cards in your opponent's discard pile. So something to keep on the radar. I feel like grass has been kind of lacking and it's like overly strong. v Max is an obviously trevnant is not like a card that I would consider overly strong, but it is one of those cards that I could see certainly ramping up in the late game and just getting kind of out of control, much in the way that trash Lanch garbodor did. Yeah, absolutely, especially if in you're like a supporter, a supporter heavy Meta, like how trash lanches in a very item of heavy Meta. Right. Absolutely. We have a Garridos v Max Hyperbam, hundred twenty damage, discard and energy from your opponents acted pokemon and, you know, Vanilla second attack that does two hundred forty damage. Feels like they were just doing some fan service here with the Garridos. Not a lot of play ability and not a lot of immediate playability in my mind, for that card. We got a Volcroona v Surgeing flames, twenty damage, attacks, twenty more damage. Reach basic energy card in your discard pile then shuffle those cards back into your deck. Seems like it could have been good if it didn't have that second condition to the attack, like if you could just load the load the discard with a bunch of fires and then you didn't have a shop on back there. It's like a victini prism again. Sure, sure, the yeah, and the Nice thing is, of course, that it's that is just for one fire. Yeah, energy. Right, so you don't need the welder or, I guess post rotation. You wouldn't need multiple turns out. Thing is like post rotation. I don't know how fire is even going to do anything. I don't know. Vic T v Max...

...like is probably still pretty decent. Anything Max is probably good, but IFINV Max probably doesn't play enough fires to really make oh for sure you at all beingful? Yeah, totally, totally. We have the SWICON, which we talked a little bit about, and then we have a Golerk v with the second attack rewind beam, one hundred and eighty. If your opponents active isn't evolved POKEMON, remove the highest stage and devolve it or return that card to your opponent's hand. Seems cool man like like at first. Feel like there's a way to cheese through. v Max has at that. That right. That's what I'm saying. It's like it doesn't do enough damage. Right, one hundred and eighty is not enough, I can tell you. Yeah, not enough to knock out of V. But yeah, like you said, with the Italians, maybe you could do something there. You know, it is kind of a double edged sword in some cases, because there are certainly times where you wouldn't you don't actually want to knock out the basic V and you rather knock out the evolved v Max. Right, like if you hit. You know an eternity is for one hundred and eighty and you forced it to pick up the the vmax. If they play back down and you rewind beam again, then you're going to knock out the V pokemon instead of the V Max. So it seems like there's something there. It needs the right partner and it has a pretty high energy cost, but certainly want to keep an eye out for and then we have a liking rock card, like in rock, makes a triumphant return hunting claw. Here is the first attack. I like it. I like it. She's one of yourponent's Pokemon to play with. Sixty HP are less. Now pokemon is knocked out. So kind of just, you know, like a snipe, essentially involving his cringe. That's a pokemon. Just said, evolving his cringe for sure. Is that what did Andrew have that translation up? I don't know. Okay, that sounds like a tricky gym translation for sure. And then second attack, Max Edge and one hundred and ninety. This deck is dirty damage. Twenty your opponents benched Pokemon and any of these vmax has that that really stand out to you? They're rolling, I mean requaiz obviously like stands out quite a bit, I think. I think the like in rock is probably the next most appealing one to me. Yes, you know, being able to kind of a press your opponent's evolution board state is definitely notable. Yeah, yeah, and you can. I mean it's so easy, right, because it's just that one energy. We have one more that I didn't mention, of course, in the Dura Ludon v and this, I mean this one is actually somewhat legitimate just because of the ability. So darlot Luton v Max here with the skyscraper ability, prevent all damage done to this pokemon by attacks from each of your opponent's Pokemon that has any special energy attached to it. So these kinds of abilities, you know, you think about something like Guarantina x from the past that had a little more expansive ability than this, but still, you know, in that same vein was, yeah, pretty good for the majority of its lifetime. And Yeah, I don't know, I could see something like they're lun on being similar if we can figure out a way to to, you know, power it up a little easier. But there's a gmax pulverization two hundred and twenty damage, which is a good number. Remember that most of The v the Basic V's, have that two hundred and twenty or less hit points and it says this tax damage isn't effected by any effects on your opponent's active pokemon. So also kind of a shred style attack, which is generally nice. To see any thoughts they're on der Lude on or any of the Other v Max pokemon their ally. I think there a lot on is okay. It also has a clear pairing with the Dragon Bang Scroll. So for one additional energy attachment from its normal attack you can do three hundred damage, which could maybe be useful. Three hundred vidn awkward number, but with single strike energy to get up to like three hundred and forty pretty easy. I think it's just a clarify. I think it's too from its normal attack. I thought it's normal tacklesport energy. Yeah, it's three energy. Okay, yeah, yeah, out your yeah, you're yeah, there you go. It's so it's two more energy, but then, you know, you slap a couple of single strike energy on there and you're able to get some pretty astronomical damage. Basically, one shot of emacs even easier than single striker she foo, which is saying something. That is saying something absolutely so very cool. That's a very high level overview of what we have in store and certainly, as we get closer, will be profiling few of these more cards a little bit more and how they kind of work themselves into decks and how you might see these going forward. Yeah, absolutely. One last thing I want to shout out is the rescue trolley. You just stepped to Pokemon with s per less in your discard, reveal them, put them into your hand, so kind of like a stretcher, reprint it away, but...

...only for like little guys, which I like write because it is that kind of boost that you would want for those types of decks. Yeah, with that, though, I think we fit that time. Is it time for the card of the day? It's time for the card of the day. Okay, well, I have a treat. I hope. There have been a lot of cards of the day and I hope this is not a repeat, but my card of the day is a card that I I it was a special card, a special card that only certain people could get right when I was starting the game, name this was the card that everybody wanted at my local scene is going somewhere disastrous. No, no, it's not going anywhere disastrous. It's got it's got a legendary Pokemon, it's got three starter POKEMON and they're all everybody's happy, everybody celebrating, and that is do you know what a card I'm talking about? Riley, legendary Pokemon, three starter pokemon and everyone's celebrating. No, and everybody wants this card. Is it like victory metal or something? There close clos is a Victory Cup. Yeah, that's the card. So the Cup was the kind of trophy card. You had a first place, a second place, a third place. I don't think they had a fourth place. You can correct me if I'm wrong on that. But it basically is a functional copy of Poka Ball. Flip a coin of head, searcher deck for a pokemon reveal. PUTT in your hands. Okay, so poke ball right, really generally unplayable card. So you know, that's kind of Nice in terms of you're not you're not trying to win these cards to put them in your deck. Right. You're winning these cards for the artwork, for the what they mean, and they also have a first place, secon place, third place stamp on them, they say battle roads. This was the tournament format when I first join the game. So I was really interested in these victory cups and I probably have, you know, as many. Probably probably have more victory cups than I have. Like well, no, that's not true. I have like probably twenty victory cups of any variety. But they have, you know, they were, they were how you you know, how you kind of showed your swag, right, you had them in your binder, kind of up front, right. You say like, Oh, yeah, I got I got four first places, you know, a last month, like that's pretty cool, right. But battle roads they were just a little bit different than leak challenges in the sense that they actually had a top cut, so you would play your Swiss rounds and then you would brack it off into kind of a regional style bracket, you know top cut, and then you would win your Victory Cup depending on where you play. So I was really like these, they were super cool. Obviously pokemon kind of pared down the battle road to make it a little more casual in the league challenge where you didn't have this this top cut finish. But yeah, Victory Cup, victiny, you got snivey, tepping Ashwatt all partying it up in a giant goblet. Depending on how you placed, it's gold, silver bronze, and that is my card of the day. Yeah, Victory Cup with seriously cool. I I like the format change to leak challenge, I think, like I like having the separation between elite challenge and Elague Cup, where it's like lead challenge, she just play with you're done, right, but I miss the like dedicated Okright, we wor cards. I guess you know I have a lot of like Lee Challenge, little first place stamp cards, but I think there's less cool than having a Victory Cup. Yeah, and that's one of the things about these trophy cards is that I would like to see make a return is if they have a funk, like they just give them functional text that's exactly the same as another card and it could be a playable card or not playable card. But imagine if we got like First Place Victory Cups and it was like switch or something, you know, and like that would be a cool way. If it was for you'd have to make sure you can't play in the same deck of Serch Yeah, sure, I mean there have to be maybe some stipulation. I don't know if you could play victory cups and poke balls in the same deck, but obviously it's not, you know, particularly relevant. But yeah, you know, if they have kind of the functional similarity to a card that's already in format, but just has, you know, that that cool artwork and that kind of distinguishable stamp, I think that's really, really interesting and and I'd like to see that return. Honestly, or even, dare I say something like, you know, professor's research, but it just has, you know, a special art and special stamp. I think that'd be a prey professor. Yeah, you know, you professor that you can only get if you get first place. That would be cool. That would be really cool. You get a professor oak on on if you get the first lace or something. Dude, a man, you should be working...

...at Pokemon. I should bet higher this man. So yeah, I do like the idea of like special cards like that, though I do just a layer of meeting. I do just want to point out, though, the victory cups were kind of funny in the artwork. Just while we're on the artwork of the Victory Cups, because first place everything's happening. All of Victini's friends are there, right. They're all celebrating his first place victory. Third Place, there are Ashawa, tepic and Snivey. They're they're nowhere to be seen. Oh No, yeah, it's like it's sad man. The dropoff between men's second and third is like he celebrating the loan. I just I shudder to think at what's going through Victini's brain. Where in the third place picture and he's watching all the other Victini's sell record. That's right, sad. Well, in the spirit of tournaments and winning them, I feel like we have to. As you know, we are the TAG team pokemon training car game podcast. We got to talk about the Meta game. We gotta so. Last week a huge focus of our discussion was on shadow rider and it's dominant in the Meta and that is definitely still remain of thin. Shadow rider is still probably probably the best deck still, to be honest, but it is Meta game positioning has definitely gotten a little more troubling if your shadowyer player, namely the prevalence of dark in the metagame has surged, and I think one of the most interesting pieces of that is the ATP Multraus deck is really the up right now. I mean it, yeah, it is solidly taken over as the main ATP archetype. Yeah, and I've even seen lists where people are like not even playing Zash in anymore, which three is wild. I mean that card is like so broken. I don't know how you how you don't plays open. But at the same time, I mean it is kind of cool that you're covering your bases in a different way. That's option. Just can't and so maybe like freeing up that bench space is is going to be more beneficial to you in the long run. Yeah, I think my take on it is sash and is very, very good in certain matchups as well as an attacker, but then it is useless as an attacker in like these weakness based matchups that you're trying to hit with your birds, right. So it's kind of a metagame call even to like how useful is ation the grants, right. Yeah, it's I mean it's kind of crazy right to think like two hundred sixty, like a two hundred and sixty attack, assuming you you know, brave blade after an altered creation like just isn't good enough anymore. But that's kind of what we've resorted to. Yeah, so ATP multrass definitely on the UP. Do you have any hot takes on ATP moultras, any particular secret inclusions you like in it? No, not particularly. I mean the deck is all about teching, right, so you just have to know kind of what you're going into. But it's it's really a an interesting archetype because and one that we haven't really seen in a while. But you're just playing a ton of different energy types. You're being very, I don't know, you're being very kind of greedy in some senses with your Pokemon, right. You're just spreading them out or a lot right, like in old ATPDX you'd play the fos option and then you were always guaranteed to have like something that you can do now. You know, you prize or two Moultras, right, or you prize. You know your two of your better attackers. In that particular matchup, you might be kind of kind of screwed in the lot of sense. Of course, ATP and boss kind of make up for a lot of sins, but it's just worth noting that there's a little less consistency in the attacking side of things, but that's also cool because you get to just counter a lot more things that you otherwise weren't able to. So no real hot takes for me, but it's interesting to see that this archetype has has supplanted classic atpsastion. Yeah, it's definitely really cool. I mean, it's still ATPS. It's not not the best thing to see in the world. Like nobody really loves seeing that, but I think it's exciting that people are trying new things and there's a new avenues to play existing archetypes. It's always, always really cool to see ice riders also been on the up in the last couple of weeks. You know, it's slowly gaining a better foothold in the Meta. I think it's a mixture of people are finding ways that they like to play it more and just more people are trying it as well. I feel people were like really laser focused on chatow rider to start with and now people are given ice rider a chance. You know, path to the peak is really the name of the game, with ice rider being able to consistently deal out pretty high amounts of damage. You know, almost always guarantee to hit Ko on a v Max or one...

...hit Ko on a V and having that path of the peak just constantly in play so your opponent can't really respond as effectively as they would otherwise. I mean that's just a try and true strategy, right, like disrupting your opponent's abilities and doing a lot of damage. Do you have any you know, particular takes on on Ice Rider? Would you rather play it than shadow rider? At the moment Um, I don't think I would, but I'm like slowly giving it more credit. You know, I kind of started out the format saying like, obviously shadow riders better. But then, as we've seen, you know, decks of countered that, right, you're either playing at turn it is, or maybe ATP Multras to kind of take advantage of the psychic base generally being dark week, right. So then, okay, I had I had ice rider solidly Tier Two, and then a couple weeks ago we're talking about it a little more and I was saying, okay, ice rider, I give it a little more credit. You know, people are starting to come up with better lists and then now all of a sudden I'm finding myself, you know, really having to admit that it probably is a tier one. Archetype right now. Certainly more and more people are are playing it, it's having better and better results and the lists are just getting more and more refined. One thing that I want to point out about the list that was not the way that I was billing ice rider and is probably why I wasn't seeing as much success. But they're focusing more around alternate supporters as opposed to research, and so what that means is that you're keeping all of your resources until the end of the game. You're not discarding those, you know, reset stamps that you might need. You're not discarding the energy that you might need later in the game the path of the peaks that you might want to play. A certain times with my research based build, I find I found that I was often discarding a lot of resources that I otherwise wanted to have right later in the game. But we're seeing these decks consistently rely on, and particularly an ice riders case, rely on the intellions to dig out what they want from the deck every turn or the Mencino Cincino lines to dig out, you know, what they need every turn, and that seems to work well enough that they don't need to rely on research thus keeping a few more resources in the deck that can maybe win them the game. So I love the innovation that these players are bringing with this archetype in particular, but but generally speaking, with a lot of archetypes, especially when it comes to the Intellian line being included in decks, because it means that they can cut back on a lot of the you know, dedenn Ae's crow bats and then and then researches right, they can, they can afford to play for Marny, you know, maybe even things like, you know, Higher Council birdkeeper or hire councils like Erica's hospitality. They don't have to rely on research to dig through the deck because they can pick out whatever they want every single turn with something like Intellian. So I just think ice riders a great example of how you can play these decks without a standardized kind of for research for Marny, you know, to Todenne, to Crowbat type build, and still have a lot of success. So I think you partially answered the question about to ask in your your take here. But are you a bigger fan of the Cincino line or the Intelli online? I'm a bigger fan of the INTELLIAN line. For me, that allows that allows for better decisionmaking throughout the course of a game, both in in you know, thinking about, you know, that one item that you want to grab off the drizzle, and then also you know whether or not you want to evolve into the damage, the damaging, the sniping in Tellian or, you know, get two more trainers out of your deck with the other Intellian. So like that, to me is really huge in terms of decision making. I find when I'm playing, saying these and telling on decks. It's great. Like I feel like the format is really healthy right now because we have these decks that can do very well and they're very skill intensive because you have to choose not only like whendow evolve, but like, when you evolve, what you're going to take out of the debt. Like it just seems to me to be very, very healthy. We're not just relying on like zooming through the deck as fast as you can, unless you're maybe an ATP deck. But yeah, it is great. I love that we're we're able to do that right now. I definitely agree. The more choices you make in a game the better, in my opinions. So being able to introduce some of these these fun new ways to do that is really cool. I mean even shadow rider has that, like they don't have necessarily Untellyon, but the way that they're attaching energies and even the micro decisions of, you know, should I use my ability before or after a Marne? And should I play X, Y and Z car to thin or what? The the interesting thing too, about shadow rider is that they're also, I feel like, generally trending away from the Max Count of research, because I've been seeing things like, you know, lessened counts...

...of attackers. So like maybe a one line of the Alchymy, which we had talked about previously, being, you know, a path to you know, of course take those big knockouts, but you maybe don't want, you know, three, three, right. You're not going to use it every single matchup because a lot of times the shadow rider calorys vmax and it's of itself is going to get there with the one shots. But like in order to preserve that hundred one line and then the various other text maybe you have one gang our mimic you. You know, we're seeing these lists trying a little bit more toward marnie based engines. You know that are going to save and preserve those resources for the future. So it's cool. Man pokemon school on school loocome on is cool. I have a couple questions in chat here that actually, I think, tie in with some of the other things I wanted to talk about here in the Meta. So first off is thoughts on Luke metal now that path counters ZAMBA's enter. I don't think it's exactly that straightforward, you know. I think Luke metal, you know you play, you'll play a high swell count. Of course, to try and deal with the path proactively and past still is problematic, but I think you'll be surprised at how effective the deck still is. It's still picking up some pretty top placements very regularly and that manifest in a couple of ways. Like the shadow rider decks aren't necessarily always playing path and even if they are, you can really hit them with like some solid early energy disruption and slow down and just win like a more straightforward kind of way. And in the ice rider matchup you hit them for weakness. So you just lay on so much pressure so fast and they don't have is like a mar shadow to deal with the swell is easily usual. Right. Right. So look metal is still definitely good. Yeah, Luke Metal is is a nice deck and I mean it's one of the originators of kind of this no research strategy right where they're trying to keep all the resources, you know, just to kind of tie in that point as well. But yeah, I think, like you're looking at those option look metals and, like you said, they're playing, you know, those two swells. Now, where maybe last format they were maybe dropping to one or something, are playing a lesson or zero in some cases. But they're also playing Gooseman Halla, which is not necessarily what we've seen from Zoshin look metal decks, but certainly a lot of the top decks that I've been seeing from tournaments are playing at least one gooseman Halla to be able to have that ability to tag call for the Gouzmahala for the stadium at the exact turn that they would need it to counter the path of the peak. Right. So do I think blue metal is the best's ever been? Like? No, I think it's rightfinitely had higher high, but I don't think it's bad at all. Right now, and we did talk about a little bit last as well. Yeah, I I mean it's always the kind of deck that that'll be up there right just because it takes that slower pace of play. There's not really much fire in the Meta and if there is, like you could generally not fact or you know figure that you're going to play more than one. With ice rider surging and popularity, that's both you know that that kind of counter to the fire decks and also a generally good matchup to play into just because of weakness. So I think there's a lot of reasons right now to play Lukario my model. Absolutely. The other question in chat, which ties into another point I want to talk about, is will single price decks ever be able to hold up against the Meta? And I think they're struggling but not completely out. I mean you have decks like like spirit tomb is still kind of on the niche. It's like it's has been for the last few Metas, and it does get a new matchup work and hit for weakness, the downside obviously being you have to be really careful with how you play your spirit tumbs because shadow rider can use its second attack on the basic V to really mess with you if you're not careful. Yeah, but outside of that, like you know, you are hitting them for weakness. So you can even ramp up to like one hit Ko of emacs in one turn with without having a prior spirit team down. Like that's how that's how crazy the ramp is on spirit Tuam these days. So that's definitely worth pointing out. Another single prize deck that is a staple is, of course, sid you I that might not fit exactly the mold that you were going for, but you know, Decidu eyes is, of course a powerful force in the Meta game. That is not going anywhere. Yep, Yep, absolutely. It's just, you know, it's hard when you factor in part I would say, particularly the in Tali on right, like you look at probably the premier single price deck of the last format being mad party, and then it just doesn't poured over that well, particularly because it's shadow rider, right. That's just a devastating attack. But also you're looking at more sniping from the...

...likes of intellion. Just makes it really hard to survive in a metagame that's, you know, primarily those two horses. Yeah, I think I do kind of have a minor complaint. I think that shadow riders like basic attacks are too good. Sure, sure, like, I think shadow riders not like super overpowered or anything, but like especially the first attack is like kind of ridiculous being able to lock out like specially. Yeah, and stadiums just, yeah, an attack for one energy attachment, like that's chaos. We all mad, like yeah, well, you're putting effort to power up a chaos wheel. So and then it's it's other attack kind of is oppressive to one price decks. So just not a not a favorable time right now and for our because I like it when cards have like usable basics, you know. But that that was too far. POKEMON, it was. I think it was a little too it didn't need both of those for sure. Maybe one, H Huh, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe one very cool. Anything else that you're looking at the metagame and you're like maybe scratching your head at. I was talking to somebody recently about dark box maybe making a potential comeback. Obviously you have the glary multrais right, you're going to get that energy back every single turn, but then to be able to move it around with we vile maybe has some pretty decent matchups in the format. I think even Azul rated it very highly, like surprisingly highly, on his his power ranking. So I've been a fan of this dark box build since I first saw it in that Japsis tournament. Yeah, the the problem with it, the major problem with it, is it needs to hit a bunch of Combo pieces very early and it doesn't play pretty much any real draw supporters. Like is very heavy and too like this tag call engine. So it's easy. It's like easy to hit stuff, but also easy to with in a way, if that makes sense. Like if you start a tag call, you can get some pretty okay board state, but like you might be missing like the one piece still that you need, which just makes it hard to chain like your next turn. So I like it. I think it's still good, like at least okay, but I don't think it's like a phenomenal deck either. Sure, sure, you know, I don't see a reason why you would necessarily choose it or some of these other top decks that we're talking about, but I do think it's good. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Any other kind of maybe head scratchers or surprises that you see either doing well or being played in high numbers. I mean, if you ask me, two weeks ago. I want to said the ATP burs deck is absurd and like so ridiculous, but clearly it's like proven itself. Other than that, I mean nothing is really stuck out to you're being like overly surprising. I always find it refreshing when I see like a inersier to continue to do well and they are still like appearing and smatterings through everything, which I can respect that. Otherwise, no, nothing to too crazy. I don't think the metagame is kind of is unfolding, and I don't it's like an expected way, but it's not a bad way, you know right. Yeah, no, I mean we're seeing fresh things, we're seeing, you know, kind of some consistency right in, just as an ATPA turnitys and Zosh and Luke metal. But then we're getting these new builds. kind of what I like when a new sound releases is when old builds get updates. So that's certainly kind of you know, ATP Multraus, like we're like we're talking about and maybe even like the the met we vile, of course, but that wasn't really that big of an archetype last format. But yeah, I think overall, like, if I had to say, were you know whether or not we're in a good place or bad place. Like I'm saying, overwhelmingly is a good time to play pokemon right now. It's definitely a lot of fun. So, yeah, one thing that we want to talk about today that looks like it didn't have time for was kind of the lower tendance numbers, which kind of surprised me because pokemons a lot of fun right now. So, whether you're playing in real life at your new local tournaments, which maybe have come back, or if you're playing online, we hope that you're enjoying the game as much as us and let us know what you're thinking about it as well. You know, we do have these social media tags. We can buy us a twitter that's mouth of Riles, Real John Walter and at tag team Pokemon, or here on twitch with Munter, where we stream the show every week, or flex daddy righteous, where gw does his live streams, and he's also flicked dady righteous on Youtube. If you want to see something as awesome content, appreciate a rally. Yeah, that'll do it for us today. Great Chat. We will talk about more exciting topics next week. Go though, of course, I must warn you Riley will be gone next week, so I it is tasked to me to find someone...

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