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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 40 · 1 year ago

3-40. Tag Team With Celio's Network

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Celio's Network joins us for a discussion on PTCG, life, content creation, and more! JW and Luke team up for this week's episode and even give you a breakdown of what to expect in PC4.

Well, welcome back everybody, to tag team Pokemon, TCG's Premiere podcasting duo. I'm JW Creewall, and with me today not Riley, it's luke more so. We're so happy that he's here on the program today. Today is a little bit of a Somber Day. I feel kind of conflicted recording this tonight because we just had a very prominent member of our community pass away earlier this morning, and Jimmy Penn Darvis, and Jimmy was a friend of mine and a friend of a lot of people in the community and obviously a great player, but more so than that, a really great person, and this episode is dedicated to you, Jimmy. I just really appreciated our friendship and I hope wherever you are, that's you're okay, that you're doing well, and just know that we all miss you. So with that, welcome back to the cast everyone. Thank you again so much for being here. If you're listening on your favorite podcasting platform, welcome on in, and we have Luke River more so. Luke, is that actually your middle name? I don't think I. Yeah, yeah, if you know Hoo River, Phoenix has yeah, is named after him. That's kind of insane. That's so cool, very good. Well, we're so happy to have you on the cast. This is we don't often bring in a lot of guests, but you join a very illustrious list, so welcome on it. Yeah, I'm glad to be here, man. So tell us a little bit, Luke, just let's let's get some plugs out of the way. I mean for people that don't know you, and I mean frankly, if they're in my sphere of influence, they're probably in your sphere of influence. But for someone that has never checked out your channel, kind of give us what you do, what you're about, what you've done maybe in the game, and just a snapshot of who you are as pokemon player. Well, as a player, I've been playing mostly casually on and off my whole life, going to, you know, a handful of tournaments of regional or two every year up until two thousand and sixteen, twenty and seventeen season, when I really popped in there and started getting worlds and bites and stuff like that, they chose, etcetera. As a content creator, I started off kind of slow in that two thousand sixteen, twenty and seventeen time I had a little bit of extra free time come into my hands and I decided I was going to make playing pokemon my top priority outside of family in school, which I've loved Pokemon my whole life, but I was never able to make it one of my top priorities before. So I felt like I was in a place in life where I could and I thought I was good but never really had the time to dedicate to become great. So I wanted to start a channel talking about pokemon and stuff. It started out with the kind of the things that people now know me for, even though it's not my frequent videos, like the statistics and metagame analysis and things like that. Those only happened like once a month now, but when I started that's what I was interested in talking about and I figured I'm going to talk about these kinds of things regardless of people are listening or not. So yeah, I figured, you know, why not upload them to Youtube and see if other people feel like listening? So when I started this thing out, I just wanted to know, you know, a couple hundred views on some videos, maybe have some people collaborate with me, and never was supposed to be anything massive. I started it on a two thousand and ten MAC book that can barely run. I know that feel. And Yeah, so and it's evolved into whatever Celio's network seems like it is to you today. I put out like a mission statement because I got really inspired and really wanted to have like set goals and something to work towards. So I put out like a mission statement thing to my patrons and then on twitter and then made a youtube video just explaining what I want my channel to be and, if you're coming along for the journey, what to...

...expect. And really I just want to help more people access the game and allow more people to enjoy the POKEMON TCG in whatever aspect. Hopefully a major one of that in the coming months and years. In my in my content will be retro content, because I think it's just crazy to me that we all love retro decks and these. You know, there's like four formats a year pretty much, but the only one where ever creating content for is whatever standard on PTCG. Oh, and it just gets forgotten immediately. Yeah, and Ptcgo is what's accessible right. I, like I said, I've been playing POKEMON my entire life. I never downloaded ptcgoh until January two thousand and seventeen, when I decide I was going to start making content. It is. It just wasn't the same as playing cards to me, like real cards, and that's what's most accessible to content creatorss and what's most accessible to viewers, and I'm a perfect product of that. But now that I have a bit of a following, I have, you know, patrons supporting me, to which subscription sponsors I can afford a little bit better equipment, which would be needed to make retro content bus since it has to be done with real life cards to be probably to be represented well, I decide I want to start trying to share that with the world and, you know, with the Pokemon community, and I think my biggest goal is like if I could bring people in to pokemon through retro content, sure the way that we are all bringing people into pokemon through pccg oh, that would be just amazing. Like a people saw like my, you know, my deck profiles and how to play this format and battles between these old decks, and people came into the pokemon community because of retro stuff in the same vein that people come into like magic through commander or legacy? Sure then, and that would just be insane. So, yeah, I'm trying to grow the community, help make it more accessible because I think it's the best card game out there. So I want to share with the world. Hey, I feel you in that for sure. I think Pokemon is that game because I'm a big I'm a big Gamer. You know, I'm a big guy. I like board games, I like video games, but Pokemon is the one thing that has kind of stuck with me for pretty much my entire life. You know, I played with my dad for like probably five years when I was little. Didn't know that there was toys r US holding tournaments, didn't know that there were, you know, tropical mega battles that I could go to or whatnot. You know, I mean, yeah, there was a whole ecosystem that I had no idea about. And then I got into college and like wow, there's, you know, insane amounts of gameplay that's happening at local leagues and you know, there's a regional tournament. Are you kidding me? You know, there's a world turn of what the heck? And so, yeah, it's just carried over for so many years. It's the one thing that I really just can't get tired of, even though and surprising like the game just always is changing, like you said, for formats a year where always getting new cards, where always getting new ideas, new players that think about the game in new ways, and that keeps it really fresh. So a few things I want to touch on here from your you know, discussion on retro content one of the biggest. Well, I there seemed to me to be two kind of hold ups with this. The first would be the accessibility of the cards. But, like you kind of mentioned, you know, commander and magic like also has that problem, I'd imagine. I'm not too familiar with what their card pool looks like in that format. But you know, cards can get really expensive and we're seeing now just the price of cart skyrocketing. But the more important issue, I would think, with recording retro matches is your partner. So who are you planning on playing these with that has an intimate knowledge, or at least a workable knowledge, of the format such that you can create the content that you want to create. So I live at home, I love, with my mom and my Grandmam, and my mom...

...has been playing the car game with me. Well, when I was like five or six, I guess she bought me like the two players starter deck to came with the first addition from a champ that everyone thinks a special now because it says first edition. And we learned out of the rule bought the rule book with that like on living room floor when I was like six or something. Yeah, and then from there, you know, her and I play casually. I played with my friends casually, when I went to their house, when they came to my house. Start going to tournaments around eleven or so and then when I was in my last year of seniors, she started playing in tournaments with me because she's just really competitive. She was like on sports teams in high school. She like likes watching competitive stuff. HMM. She gets when we're playing in like the limitless tournaments and stuff side by side. I have a second desk for her. She gets she has to like walk out of the room, she gets heated. Yeah, but she loves the diamond and Pearl era. She really likes and Poleon and she likes the tyrannatar card from stormfront. So she was excited when I said I was going to start building those decks and deep people lock is one I'm starting with for my retro stuff. So, yeah, I have my mom Ho who's always wanting to play pokemon cards, but my friend John Suns Dream, who recently started streaming, I guess, about a year ago now, the Real Sunny Games. He lives about thirty minutes from me. I know call me and him off, me and him of plate since way back then, since before the diamond and Pearl days probably, and then a couple other friends that live in the area or close enough have played with me over the years. So I have a little roster of people who might be coming over to record games with me at some point. That'd be great. Yeah, that's seems like just such a big hurdle, right, because if you if you live out in the middle of nowhere, or you know your one friend is busy that night when you're trying to record, like just seems kind of rough, or they just don't have a knowledge of the format, that also seems pretty tough. Yeah, yeah, so it seems like you have those basic covered. Now let's shift over to the the card costs. So like you're getting your promoting something that is you know, we look at Pokemon certainly standard format and I think to an extent expanded format as being very affordable card game compared to pretty much any you know, Yugio and magic, I guess, or the other two kind of bench yest stand standard format is ridiculously accessible. Yeah, like compared to other card games and compared to Pokemon like five years ago, it's successful, like it's crazy. It's because of DPCI. Yeah, they're doing really well with it. Yeah, absolutely, it's it's been really nice to see that for sure, and so I would imagine that, you know, there's kind of this kind of disconnect that some of the viewers might might see, where you're Oh, you know, here's the standard format. Wow, it's so cheap. You know, I can spend fifty bucks, you know, and get a full tier one deck or tier one ish deck, and then, oh well, here's here's its content creator who's saying, Hey, this is really fun too, and his you know, maybe one card in that deck cost fifty maybe one card in that deck cost a hundred dollars. You know, speak to that. I'm curious if you thought about that or like how you just are thinking about making that retro content such that it would be enjoyable somebody who you know, the swath of people that are interested in standard. I have thought about that and I have a few, a few answers and possibilities. I did want to go to what you said about magic commander because, like that's a match. I'm I'm not. Also, I dabble a magic yeah, I believe commander goes back like to all the sets. I believe it's kind of like an eternal format with some bands, but it's Singleton, so it's one card, one copy part. But I have seen people fix that solution by having their locals or their Leagues Do...

Commander Knights that are a hundred dollar cost decks maximum. Like the decks have to have like a hundred dollars or less worth of cards and them kind of like a papper format or proxies. You know, proxies is something. But I I start spreading DP block to a couple coaching clients and patrons and shout out Josh Chili. He he actually printed out like a handful of decks and has been bringing them to like locals or with friends and like teaching them how to play diamond and Pearl Block just with proxies. And then like he's also building one or two with world championships and real cards. But I plan on doing a video about, like a short video about how to just like, you know, find a good site to put in a decklist, to get proxies for how to print them out, you know, get yourself a paper cutter, make them look even back up, what basic energies, get some nice sleeve so they feel like a real deck, some kind of stuff that might sound obvious to you and me, but just just as like a starter video. So in every video I'm talking about these retro formats or these decks, I can say hey, and if you want to go see how to pronout proxies, there's a quick threeminute video with links. So I have thought about that. Another thing is diamond and Pearl. Is Diamond Pearl Block, while being my favorite, is also probably the cheapest old format, or like old format that collection I can decide on, because they don't have stars, they don't have x's, they don't have the legend pieces. So it is more affordable than two thousand and ten and then ours through PK, that two thousand and four. But the decks are probably around a hundred fifty to two hundred some maybe undred and fifty apiece, so probably kind of like as much as a standard deck would have been five years ago or seven years ago, before standard was so wildly accessible. Sure, but also I'd say if you get like a hundred more people into diamond and Pearl Block, the cards are going to go up, because there's just not that many cards to go around, you know, like I think I've already cleaned out a lot of tcg players stores just from needing staples like Bault toys and call energies and rose an's and stuff. So there's really not a lot of these cards to go around because a lot of people that have them are, you know, they want them, they're holding on to them. I was talking with some friends that like it would be great if, like Pokemon ever wanted people to play their old formats and also make a profit off of it and like reprint world championship decks or just make like box sets of like the card you'll need to play with the diamond and Pearl are yeah, kind of doing like a old soulcal trainers trainer tool kit type but for yeah, or even like Um, like the battle academy box, but just fill it with like the cards you would need to play with decks from that era. HMM. Well, I don't know if that's ever going to be something that's possible. Magic does do things like that to make their old formats possible to play like they do. I don't know what they're called, but they do booster boxes and the list of cards that are possible to pull in them has like a handful of cards from every set ever. Now it seems like a great idea. I mean personally, because I'm a POKEMON training card game nerd, like I'm like, yes, that needs to happen, like we need to go, you know, full steam ahead. You know, Puka, get on the line here, listen. But then you think about just the the game design mentality. I know you've thought about that a lot, and just like how different the game is now versus back then. Like it almost feels like if they were to do something like that, that they're not even pushing the same product. Yeah,...

...in a lot of way they did. I think, if they did black and white on like if they did anything with black and white, and that would be fine, hmm, because that's when they change their designer disosophy. Sure, sure, so that would probably be fine. But yeah, no, that's a great point to bring up because, I mean, I do play diamond and Pearl Block because it does feel like a different game, but in a good way and yet like that's why I do play it. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I think at the end of the day they'd sell product because it's pokemon on Pokemon. Well, yeah, but, like, I mean, I think the thing with Pokemon is like they're not out here going like man, how can we just sell a product? They could, they could throw anything out there. It's like how do we sell the most product? You know? Yeah, now, now, that's a good point and that's that's a point that I am constantly reminded of, because Pokemon can do anything and they'll sell it. You know. Yeah, so, you know, but I have hope for those kinds of things. With that means there's a nice team of people working at TPCI these days. That a bunch of people that I know, like you know, like retro dex and the enjoy the old formats and have a have a love for preserving the game kind of so yeah, down we would definitely need more if it were ever to happen. I think it could happen. Well, it's definitely a really noble pursuit. I want to take branch the conversation off just a little bit. We were talking about magic. Maybe bring in a little bit of Yugyo, but for me, when I look at Pokemon content creation, it is very difficult to make any sort of money. You know, you look at the top content creators for POKEMON trading card game, you got Andrew Mahone, you got you know, you could maybe lump in, you know, frost to Cariboo in with that, although she does primarily you know, she does do competitive content. That's not to say she doesn't, but just primarily box openings, right, and that's, I think, kind of what she's built the channel around. And then you look at like PTCG radio, who does primarily news like in these are kind of the torch bears for Pokemon trading card game and certainly, you know, kind of this competitive pokemon trading card games. So with that they, you know, combined, don't have, you know, like as many youtube subscribers or twitch subscribers or whatever it is as some of these you know, kind of large, you know magic in Yugioh communities. And so my question to you is, like with your leap of faith, in your jump into fulltime content creation. Why do you think pokemon seems to lag behind those other two games in terms of just how much, you know, attention is may be given to it, and why do you think that this is kind of a wise idea to jump in at this point? Well, never so, it's a jade. Yeah, I know that's a pretty like broad question, but you know, feel free to tackle it at any point. Yeah, well, so magic pushes the game magic. Well, magic just disbanded their protour, whatever it was called, which was a terrible idea anywayne could have. This just derailed the entire sport of Magic to gather. But magic pushes for Magic to be any sport. Magic cares about the numbers they're getting watching their big tournaments. partstone pushes for to be any sport. heartstone wants it to be something that has tens of thousands of viewers watching. I don't know how far this goes up but or how far goes down, but I'm sure there's people at the top that don't Care Pokemon Card tournaments get one viewer or Tenzero, because pokemon's gamers are get...

...bringing such little revenue. And I think so little time is given to how to push it, because I always say like if I'm I'm in love with legends of room terror's layout. I'm not sure if you've ever tried legends of Room Terra, but I think it's the golden standard for what an online pope, an online trading card games, should look like. Now I don't check. I don't love the game itself because I'm in love with Pokemon and it's just it just not pokemon for me. But the game is so beautifully done and I think if TPCI or whoever's in charge of ptcg oh could revamp it to look even like half as good as that does and you know, mark market it to everybody, sure, like the pokemon franchise has just an incredible pool behind it that ptcg oh, I think, would pop off just to the extent that these Alps magic and heartstone and these others. And I do think about that a lot and talk about it some, either on streams or in videos or just in general chats with friends. But there's definitely somewhat of a ceiling right now with Pokemon TCG, excuse me, TCG, content creating with an emphasis on the g there of gaming, because there's plenty of pokemon trading card absolutely content creators, yeah, but just not playing the game. And you know it's weird because magic is like five percent competitive players. That's like who buys the cards. About five percent of their cards are bought by competitive players. Right, same thing for Pokemon, probably even less for POKEMON. But then, whereas Pokemon has this other ninety plus percent chunk of people that buy cards and have never sleeved one up to play in a deck, that that huge ninety percent chunk for magic is casual players, kitchen table players, families that play, commanders that command their players, that go to league and never even look at a single tournament result. So there's a lot. There's a much larger chunk of the population of magic cards actually playing with the game. Although more pokemon cards are being sold, there's less people playing the game. Yeah, and so I think that has to do with why we see a bit of a smaller or a lot smaller rate of growth and viewership for Pokemon TCG. Yeah, it seems interesting though, because I and I don't know the exact numbers on this, but as I understand the pokemon circuit, you know you look at the regional circuit, like pays out more than another level tournament in other Games. So it doesn't think. Yeah, would you think that that, like money, would drive more people to play? Like that to me, you know, I had to comment in the chat. Somebody's saying increase support for the competitive level would be amazing to you know, increase the amount of people that play. But I feel like they have done that and there's still something missing. Yeah, I honestly think our numbers between regional championships and International Championships in the past couple of years are just fine compared to magic and Yugio and stuff. I think are the number of people that are going are fine. And pokemon made an insane jump between being like why are you even competing for these prizes six years ago to Oh my God, wait, now the prizes are better than magic and Yugi Oh yeah, yeah, and I you know, and it's funny, and I won, you know, a regional both of those eras, where one was, you know, basically a pad on the back. It's a pass, and the other one was, you know, of five Geez which got me through, you know, six months essentially. You know, it's insane. So,...

...yeah, so you've seen both sides. Yeah, I have definitely seen both sides. But yeah, and I seen people switch over to Pokemon when that happened, when the prize support happened. I heard people tell me, you know, I used to not play pokemon because there was no like prize support giving me a competitive drive, but I liked it better than UV. Oh, but now I'm back because there's money. Yeah, things like that. I've also, on a different note, heard that people think pokemon's more childish. And Yeah, pokemon is financier, more child yeah, but that doesn't mean it's less competitive. Right, for sure, and I mean I you know, I would honestly argue, though, that like Yugo is the same way, though. I mean it's for like children. I think it's I think it says like children six and up. Like that. That's there. You know, six and up right playing Yugio. It's it's sick like. I feel like they're very similar. But it's just interesting to me. Again, you're coming at this where you're like, you know what, I want to go into full time pokemon content creation, and then you just look at kind of the landscape and it looks I don't want to say it looks barren because there are, you know, a few a few peaks the the kind of three that we mentioned, and then you could also maybe lump in like other full time creators like maybe like a zool for for full time, and I'm sure there's a few others in there that I'm maybe not thinking of off the top of my head, but just a little more barren than what I might look at, even at it like a casual search of like magic, you know, on Youtube. You know, you see the hundred thousand million subscriber channels, like you know, the raking in a ton of views. You know they're making that good money off their youtube channel, and that's not even counting like what they have on twitch and so like, what about Pokemon and your voice? And I hope this is not like again coming in like too hot, you know, but like what a what about you? What about it makes you think that you can, you know, make it or make it? And I don't know your level of like success. I don't know what you would consider success or what you would consider full time, because that might be, you know, I'm doing it a lot, but I'm also like supplementing with us, with a side job or I don't quite know what it looks like, but what you know what makes you want to take that lead. So I want to take the leap because over over the pandemic, basically I was full time and graduate school, in internships and also doing content, and between my content on my sponsors, I felt like I was probably making about as much as I would have if I was doing a part time job. So aside from school. Yeah, so in a month, when I'm don't my internship and I kind of like make that unofficial switch over to being a fulltime content creator, I'm basically kind to see if I can double down and turn that part time and come into somewhat of a full time income, and I think like making it as a content creator would be that I can, you know, provide for myself with the income. But, like I said, I also just got out of graduate school. So I'm going to give myself some time to try this out because I think it, I think my channel has the potential and I think the game is only going up at the moment, especially expecting a pretty large surge when the pandemic ends or fun when we're back to events, whenever it's going to be. So, you know, if it doesn't work out, I go back to just making videos for fun and I get a full time job as a counselor yeah. So, yeah, no, for sure, for sure, it's a good like, I feel like it's a good spot to be in. You know, you specifically because you know, I'm sure that the overhead cost of living are maybe diminished because you know, you live with family. And then you know, you're young Ger, like you're younger than me certainly, and...

...like you have this kind of you're not locked into like a commitment or a job yet at this point, and so you know, there's a lot of things that certainly, you know, fall your way. Right, when you look at this, there's a lot of advantages you have. So I wish you the best. I mean, you know, obviously I think a rising tide, you know, you know, helps all ships, right, it lifts all ship. So so you know, you're success correlates, I think, to other success, you know, hopefully my success. You know, hopefully you just carry me to success. Yeah, that's kind of yeah, that's what we're good. That's what we're doing here. That's why I'm here. Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, yeah, I don't think you could singlehandedly just, you know, carry the podcast to you know, unbelievable. You know Joe Rogan numbers. I wouldn't have asked you on. So absolutely. Yeah, I would have expected you too. No, I was. I was chatting with you a little bit before we started and told you that I had a talk with Andrew from Turkey. Jim for the chat about content and whatnot, and I was kind of saying the same thing, you know, like Andrew's like the ceiling for Pokemon, TCG, trading card game, like actually playing the game. I look at him as kind of the ceiling. Yeah, you know, it's channel does really well, as twitch does really well. He puts out great content, but I don't see anybody else touching that ceiling right now, and I don't, I think if the people under Andrew, you know, like Azul, myself, you if we don't push ourselves to try to reach and drew's ceiling, maybe his ceiling will never raise. You know, like if we're not all moving upwards, what is there to compete with? You know, because I believe in Success Breeds Laziness, and definitely not saying Andrews Lazy. I think it's contents great, but he maybe maybe there's you know, maybe you're talking about like success, you know, breeds a lack of innovation. Perhaps, yeah, better way to put it that, because if you don't see your competitors, you know, doing things that are innovating, maybe you're not thinking, Oh crap, I need to do something cool now. Yeah, and I can look at Pokemon as a company in that way, because there's nothing that can touch pokemon. I feel like in the early S, late S, maybe they were trying to compete with Digimon, but they definitely won that war and that's that's kind of how I look at Pokemon, like Oh, there, if digimon was still like threatening their franchise at being number one, maybe they would try a little harder things. But that's how I look at I don't and don't speak too soon, man. There's there's that Digimon card game. Yeah, there's you making the rounds. But I recently, over the past month or two, Star listen to a lot of Elon Musk speeches and I can quickly sound like an Elon Musk fan boy, but he talks a lot about, you know, if you're not failing and trying new things, then you're not really going to succeed. HMM, and that's when I, like I started thinking like, okay, I could sit here and do these, you know, deck profiles and ptcg Oh gameplay and the Meta discussion and get my thousand views per video and do pretty okay for a Pokemon tcg channel, or I can start taking risks and trying to do new things, like the product reviews that I did for the entellion be Maxley battle deck, which that video popped off and I'm happy because people are commenting and saying they're buying the product. That's what I want. I want people buying these really great products that can help them learn how to play the game. Trying to do the retro content. That initially, when I do this retro content, I'm expecting it to really bring down my views at first. You know, absolutely I'm expecting to get a few hundred views on the retro content, but I'm going to,...

...you know, take that and work harder on the next one and just see what I can do to make these retro videos for new viewers, because I don't want to make retro viewers for the retro heads or retro content for the retro heads, because we already have that right. We have people like Jay Horne on doing that. We have snow point cast. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of, you know, a lot of sizeable material out there for the people that know what they're doing, but there's maybe not as much material out there for somebody that's just trying to break into that setting. Yeah, and like I was talking about my my coaching client, Josh Wu, I got into the diamond and Pearl Block, seeing him who had, you know, never touched it before and now he's getting into it and getting a group of friends into it and they're printing out decks. I'm seeing it. Okay, maybe it's possible for someone who's been playing standard for six months to get into this and really enjoy something different, almost played as like a side card game. Sure. So, do you ever see yourself transitioning out of like a standard format realm and to do primarily retro content, or is that just going to be kind of an angle tier channel? Um, if I, let's say, it blows up like in my wildest dreams, it would like, you know, we get it getting like magic to gather and command their numbers and at most I would probably make a second channel for the retro stuff or make my Youtube Channel Retro but play ptcgl in the streams. But if that ever happens, I think it's always down the line. Yeah, because I do enjoy talking about metagaming and like. metagaming and deck building are my main joys and standard format right now, because I don't find the literal gameplay quite rivetting anymore. But so I would definitely miss doing that and I would want to still do that in some capacity. Absolutely cool. Well, I have one more kind of question on content creation before we move on to a few other topics. But for core, some of your influences in content creation? I mean you mentioned tricky Jim and like, obviously, if you're a you know, pokemon tcg content creator, like. Yeah, you mentioned he's the apex at this point in time. Yes, and and likely will be as long as he continues to prove produce the kind of content that he he does. But who are some other influences, either in side Pokemon or I mean, honestly, I'm a little more interested in like outside of Pokemon. Who are your content Creator influencers? Yeah, so, I actually I'm probably not looking into the camera now because I brought up my subscriptions on Youtube so I don't forget anybody. One of my biggest is his name's Alpha investments. Yes, channel. Yes, so rudy, I do know Rudy, okay, and Rude Timmy, Timmy's emporium. Yes, I'm a patron of his. I Buy a case of magic some months from them. Nice, throw it in the back weight ten years. Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right. But yeah, I've been watching him for probably more than three years now, almost as long as I've been creating content on Celio's network. And I started watching him because it was fun to watch him pull, you know, open packs and say crazy things. But what really got me into him was his videos about life and his Qa's about how did you go from, you know, a stockbroker twenty four to now you're a millionaire off of cardboard and stuff like that, and a lot of stuff about, you know, following your passion and you know, he said, you know, I went away from magic time and time again, but I always came back to it, and I feel that way about pokemon cards. M So Alpha investments for sure, just with the the work ethic he has, like he...

...is either doing a youtube video or shipping out product or buying product or inventoring it. And I don't necessarily want to be like a buyer and seller. Maybe a little bit on the side for fun, but that sure not what I want my fulltime thing to be. But just like the work ethic and the way he was able to build and his build his emporium out of his knowledge of cardboard base. Yeah, absolutely, is really inspiring. Yeah, I mean he's definitely put in the work and yeah, you're seeing to make youtube videos every day. Just the way he speaks, like I have a lot of respect for people that just can speak off the cuff like you can and make it engaging and make an exciting and make it a like consistent thread, like he has a beginning, middle and end to all of his videos and he does it every single day and it's just so consistent, so good. And Yeah, yeah, that's one thing that I admire by him for sure. So what are some other creators that you look at and are like, Oh, yeah, I that's you know, that's who I like. I want to steal something from them or I want to be like them. Coincidentally, and I'm pretty sure I've either sent you links or you know of them as well, but they also started the same word, Alpha Gaming. You know Har Seller. Oh yeah, hair seller. Sure, yeah, okay, Great. So not necessarily that he does any content that I want to do as well. HMM, but similar to ours talking about. I've been watching Elon Musk speeches and how he you know, if you're not failing, you're not trying kind of thing. I really admire that. Harris went out on a limb and paid tens of thousands of dollars to have music producers make these stream beat albums, never knowing if he was going to make a set off of them, and now he brings in a hundred and fifty grand every month from stream beat streams. So crazy because he saw something that was not being done at every streamer was getting DMCA strike any needed. They needed copyright free music that was also not pooring m and he just filled that gap with like, you know, innovation and some background knowledge of music that he had. Yeah, so I really like Alpha Gaming, Tricky Jim, obviously Andrew Mahone. You know, he does a little of everything and I love that. He you know, he has some videos that are worthwhile for competitive people like you and I to watch. He has a lot of videos that are great for the newcomers, maybe like a kid watching with their parent learning how to pile it a deck or even, you know, somebody are aged at is just getting back into it after fifteen years sure, which is very good because we need high quality content for beginners. He has box openings, he has, you know, players, Cup game play, true stuff, rutroduck profile, so even cubing. So I loved Andrew's a able to have a PTCG variety channel and keep it doing really well, to keep it doing the best out of all of them, because something that will happen is it's really hard to have a variety of content and keep your views up and consistent. You know, I'm sure Andrews like Retro Videos Definitely Dip in views, but they still do very well. So I admire that that he's able to have videos where he shows off his passion with the old stuff or cubing or those kinds of things, but also have the stuff that brings in a little more viewers and also brings in new people to to the Stream. Yeah, to the content. Yeah, one thing for sure that I want to start doing more of that my you know, in my kind of personal content creation journeys, you know, legacy videos. So what does that look like for me? I am a quite you know, figure that out and I'm dealing with, you know, the move right now and there's not a lot of time to actually like pour into a video the kind of thing that I want to do. But those legacy videos are so important and that's, you know,...

...kind of what has me excited about your retro content, because that's always going to be. You know that that's as relevant now, like, you know, the format from two thousand and ten is as relevant now as it might be in five years or ten years right, because that's all pretty static. And so do you have any other ideas for kind of how you would change your channel to incorporate maybe more of that legacy you mentioned? Not Obviously Andrews kind of mix of content, anything else that you're planning with your channel like them? Um, I mean it's all kind of connected, but I decided to whenever I am going to start recording gameplay for a retro era, I'm going to do a short introduction to that format. So right now I'm brainstorming and recording some B roll and stuff for introduction to diamond and Pearl through RCS, because I want to make this introduction video very, very brief and easy to understand, because this is kind of going to be, hopefully, like an evergreen video. You have not really posting it to get a thousand views in a day. I'm more so going to be posting it so that I can link it to every diamond and Pearl video that follows. Yep. So like, Oh, you don't know what these cards do, well, make sure you go watch this short video to know the first turn, rules, the mechanics, things like that. So I plan to do that for diamond and Pearl and then plan to do it again for two thousand and eighteen worlds, which is another you know, it's not really a retro format, but two thousand and eighteen world is one of my favorite formats and I'm also building a collection of decks for that one as well. Yeah, but yeah, so I plan to do the introduction videos and just try to make this retro content as accessible and easy to watch as possible, because I definitely don't want to intimidate anybody in the first minute. You know. Yeah, absolutely, I think making making that kind of content relatable and easy, easy to wait into. You know, you don't want to jump into the deep end. You want to take the little, you know, step stool down into the water. So absolutely I feel you on that. Well, fantastic. I'm really excited to see where the channel goes. I think right now, you know, yeah, like you said, there's a lot of people, I think, trying kind of some different things. We're just seeing like pokemon explode in terms of just the cards in general, and now it's kind of time for content creators to follow suit. So one thing I forgot that I when you said that. I remembered. Whenever events do get announced, I think there is going to be a huge influx of people searching the Internet for what to do with all of these cards they bought over the pandemic because of Logan Paul or whoever. Yeah, and I want to make sure I have ideas and content ready for one that happens, to help transition these people from, you know, maybe being twenty years old and they bought a couple booster boxes for fun, but now they hear the pokemon holds events every two weekends at the major cities across the country. Yep, and I want to help transition those people into that. So I'm sure a lot of us are going to be doing that, but just making sure I'm a part of that or that it's happening at the very least. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So with that look, I'd like to transition into our car of the day. I know you have one that normally we pick older cards, but you said before the cast you want to showcase something from chilling rain that you're maybe very excited about or you just like I'm excited to hear what it is. So, Luke, take it away a card of the day. Do you could I ask if the other guests do you know the chilling rain set? I mean, well, I guess like our is it based on the art or based on the playability? More so just the overall the design, the feel of the card, that it might be playable, it might end up being fringe, great or somewhere in between, but I think it's a little bit...

...fresh, is it? Is it a v Pokemon? No, okay, then I have no idea. Let's hear. So it is a rugged helmet. I'm going to try to get my oh baby, that's the one with the energy. It picks the energy back to hand is every let me see if my cat. I don't know, my God, there it is on it, but so rugged helmet. No way read. I'll read it for the chat. It's a Pokemon told you, attach to one of your pokemon doesn't already have a pokemon tool attached. If the POKEMON this car is attached to is in the active spot and is damaged by an attack or even knocked out, put an energy attached to the attacking Pokemon into your opponent's hand. So this and also, by extension, I think, Toll Jammer from I think battle styles. Told you EMMER. Yeah, I think tool jammer was also kind of in the same feel as this. We haven't gotten cards like this in quite a while, or at least, in my opinion, cards like this in a little bit. I feel like cards were a little bland for like the first four sets of sword and shield M but I think this is a really healthy form of energy denial, because your opponent can either choose to tech for it with tool Jammer, tool scrapper, greetent, or they can choose to play around it, you know, if they really want their energy there for next turn. They can just decide to pass. Sure and I really like to see cards that make the opponent have informed decisions, because a lot of people really rant about power spray. What power spray, for those listening or watching, is basically a card you could play on your opponent's turn to cancel one of their powers that they use, yep or abilities, and well, I you know, I enjoyed that card. I wouldn't be mad or thrilled if it came back. But I see cards like this, rugged helmet and like tool jammer, the way that we have player interaction in Pokemon TCG. I see that as like our comparison to like magic, have an instant speeds or you do having a trap card, because rugged helmet is kind of like a trap car. If you attack, you're losing an energy and then maybe I'll Marny into your deck and it's not on your hand anymore. So I'm actually brewing some and telling on V MACs decks with rugged helmet. I don't know, I just I love the flavor of it, that it's energy denial. That's your opponent can play around. It's not something short doing on your turn. So it's really, really unique in that way and even if it doesn't end up being great, I don't think it's going to be like a card that you see in more than like for two menatures. It's gonna maybe working in tell you on, or maybe work in something else. But I think it's a really cool card that, if your opponent forgets about it or doesn't know what to do about it, it could possibly make a skill difference in a game or could really make some nutty scenarios between the board. So I yeah, I enjoy this card and I'm excited to brew with it. Rugged Helmet, Huh? Yeah, you know, see, I look to that card and I said it's fine, but is it better than you know? I think you're always like asking, is it better than you know some other card right, like is my sixty the last sixty that you could so I'm excited to see what happens. Could be cool. Could be cool. My plan is that if you pair with a vmax with one energy, something I can tell you on v Mac. Yeah, sure, you can sharrow at every turn and not care, and then that rugged helmets just sitting there getting extra value. So sure, in my mind that's how it would be. Okay, houses better than just playing a crushing hammer and flipping well, because maybe you can get multiple uses out just one card. So yes, s yeah, exactly. No, that's that's a great point. Well, excellent card of the day, Luke. Excellent card of the day. Very inesting to see and very interesting to see what you're going to do with that card. So let's move on. We have our final topic...

...of today. Again, I want to be very respectful of your time. Thank you again for joining us as easingly. But we have a big tournament coming up in the Players Cup for and I wanted to know some of your thoughts, what you're planning to at least test with you. Of course, you know, with the money on the line and all this, you don't have to give a give me what you're going to play, although it's going to be open decklist. But I digress. So what are some things that you're looking at as being kind of the the cream of the crop as it comes to this format, and what are you leaning towards playing if the tournament were tomorrow? Yeah, yeah, so I keep going back and forth between a between my opinion. That was kind of expressed by a tweet last week, or so. I quoted Kevin Malone from the office and said why? Something like why do of all Pokemon went big, basic, do trick or something like that. Sure, and I don't know. Peko Rama is very good. It him. I completely agree. And it's so versatile and it can come back, and that's, yeah, one of the don't I love. I love Peka ry. I used to despise peek wrong, but in the darkness a blaze matter, hater bro it came to me and I realized, you know, you can make, you know, informed decisions. It's that it's one of the I would say, I would argue it's one of the like two decks, that and Luke metal and like maybe bill a Cephalon, or you could like make an actual decision that would impact the game. You know, if you make a decision on turn to, it could actually impact the game on turn ten, which like it turn it is for the most part. You're not you're not really thinking right, like there's a lot of other decks out there that you're just not really thinking about. Peak aroum absolutely is one of those that I'd also toss her. You food varying something there not stricer she foo. HMM. Yeah, on that note. Just to briefly go to the side and then I'll come back. I do think that people don't give enough credit for people winning with a TPZ and winning with a turn of this and stuff like that. Be Sure, you can definitely still throw the game, for sure. You felt like it's but, and sometimes I say that, like I'll be like, oh, it's so easy to play, but I don't mention you can also make good plays with it, as wanted to toss that in. No, you, you absolutely can. I mean then that is you know, and that's not a knock on anyway, because I played at turn it is for a long time. You know. But I mean, but, but the the level of difference that certain plays make in an eternity to stack in the early game are vastly, I would say vastly different than you know. There's still those those slight differences, that gradient, but I would say the gradient is a little more colorful in the peak around deck in terms of your choices that you make, as opposed to like an Eternity Inn atpe. You know that kind of thing for sure. Yeah, absolutely, so you would say that you're leaning towards peak around right now. You also mentioned rapid strike is just being a deck that maybe has more options to it. So I would imagine, you know, someone like you would would want kind of the breadth of options that something like rapid strikers food could provide. Yeah, I pending on probably the hour you ask me. In the past few days I've been either on Chinchino or she or Peko Ram at the moment. Okay, but I'm also my number three is Geraci or she. Now it's not very much different than Chinchino or she. They have a little bit different of an early game. You know, you're evolving a couple more POKEMON, but for the price of you get more draw power in the mid till late king. But then how long is the mid till a game actually lasting? So you kind of have to outweigh these things. I played Chinchino or she to the limitless whatever on Saturday. It was a short lived event for me because I dropped after around three I I will say in my mind, you know, sometimes there's decks on paper that really seem like why am I not playing this deck and that deck? For me, for the past two players cups has been mad party and for about...

...three four days I was thinking you know that party seems great, like the top decks are like peak a ram or she food this or she foo variant. You know, we got we got a lot of just big pokemon waiting to be one shot out there. So why? Why not? Mad Party? And then round one, my mom and I both played the same sixty or she foods and Chino list. Both played against the mad party and we both beat it because mad party just had some trouble on it on its end. Yeah, and I remembered why I'm not playing mad party. Yeah, so that was that was helpful to me because it really narrowed down my choices at and then I figure out what else. I lost two and around two. And then round three I had one of the best, probably the best game of battle styles format that I've played against Pager Taurus. We played a fifty nine cards and she know or she mirror and it was really close and it made me like Chinchino orsh more. But you know, I thought the difference between he him and him or me winning was like who did it with an energy or who didn't? With getting an extra cinchino on the board or things like that. And thinks you don't have to worry about with Pico Rom right, you know. But PEKA RAM it's like, okay, I got Bolton in an energy, we're probably good to go. Like there's a there's probably like an over fifty percent chance I'm winning this game because I got Bolton Energy. Yeah, right, exactly. So it's between Peaka Ram and her she. I also think luke metal is very good. Look, met all is very good. I think Luke Mills very good. I was practicing that against Rabbit strick or she today because, like I want to see, you know, if rabbit strick or she with a Phoebe just can beat me just because they put it out one card, then I don't want to play Luke metal anymore. But I do think it's has more depth than that. Yeah, it is a little deeper. It just depends on, I've found, just how quickly you can find that Phoebe, how quickly you can get attacking with the rapid strike deck. Yeah, kind of chain the phoebees into the ZMAZ NA. Yeah, exactly. So generally speaking, I feel like it's a favorable matchup for for for Luke metal. But yeah, you know, if you can outspeed with the rapid strike, then you're in a good spot. Yeah, yeah, I think. I think Ersche and peak are probably like, even if you're not playing it, I think everybody thinks they're too. Two of the best decks or the two best decks. HMM. I think Luke metal is a great play, but I personally would guess that I'm not going to end up playing it, although I do think it's a good deck still. If if you're not comfortable as anything, ATPEC's always good, because ATPC goes into just about every single game with a chance of winning, which is really nice to have if you don't feel like you have the call for a tournament. Sure it's earned. This isn't really for me. Just maybe somebody will grind into top sixteen event a with it, but I have no doubt. I have no doubt. Yeah, it's earn its hammers. That's another one where it's like, you know, it's kind of a high roll deck, but you're going to you're going to slap around. You know the people that are like, Oh yeah, I'm going to bring peaker on right, like you're just going to smack that that, you're gonna smack around the mew two decks that that show up so that one'slutely like a I was also I'm glad you said that, because I was going to forget grass meats, to real a boom meat, to whatever it's called. Toward got to number one in the world playing that. He didn't divulge his list. But you know, I said to one of my group chats like either the deck is good because toward, you know, got a hundred sixty rep with it, or the the deck is whatever, but towards and saying so because sixty rep right. So I have played a little bit with the deck and I played against the deck a lot on ladder and tournaments. I think it's pretty good versus Pika and her she. I think it's legit. Yeah, I think it's legit, and especially with the kind of decline and crushing hammer just...

...generally, I would say, you know, you did. You're not really seeing ATP lists, at least from my experience playing crushing Hammer. So that's certainly one archetype that's kind of moved away from it. You know, you're more easily able to get that tropical our GX and just like you know, demolish a lot of these decks that rely on those attachments, those extra attachments. So yeah, and then it just has somebody asks me too's good. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. I thought Grass Muto was going to be good for a while and then he played in the players Cop in light for a little wit and just didn't was run into the victin he's and the in the bliss a felons and I was like, okay, I'll put this away because fire Meta and yeah, just not not not that great, but good. So that would be would you say that would be kind of like that under the radar deck that you would that you need some more testing with before you decide whether or not to play it? Or is that just something that you're kind of throwing out that that you're probably not really considering that much? Yeah, I don't think I'm going to yet. Luke metal and Rilla Boom, you two, I'd say, our decks that at the moment. I'd bet money I don't end up playing it next weekend, but I think they're good and I like it's not a shock if people show up with them and it's not a shock to me if they get through the first day of tour of rounds. Sure, like I think they're really good. Rilla boom, you three. I'm I'm trying to still realize what its weaknesses are, because I know it has them. I saw somebody in our chat mentioned that losing the coin flip really hurts it. If it has to go first, that kind of hurts. Yeah, and I definitely agree with that. If people are heavy on power plants or on the mimic you, things like that, even the heel block mimic you, which Pedro played in his Hershie Foutsin Chino when we played our mirror recently, and I think Nico Alabass has played heel block mimic you and his Hershie foods and Chino list as well, if that's making the rounds. I know a grill met too. One of its strengths against me in my testing has been its ability to tag call out Mallana. Yeah, so much, because it plays for tag calls typically, and also to tag call Goose Mahala for Stealthy Hood to stop the shadow box mimic you. So I do think it has some weaknesses. I think it's a little bit harder than some of the other metadecks to play. I definitely think it's harder than eternity? said, absolutely, but not as hard to play as look metal or Peaka Rom probably. HMM. So it's in the middle. there. Does have somewhat of a skill floor. But yeah, I think it's a good deck and if I see a top name piloting it, I am not going to be scared. Yeah, right, sure, there's a Suretya well prize at a little scared if I'm playing peak ror. She so last question. I mean, Luke, how confident are you having into this player's cup four? I'm not familiar with how you performed in the last players cups, but are you feeling like your set? Are you feeling like you've done your homework, or you just feel like you're scrambling at this point? I don't know, because the let me tell you, JW, the players Cups have just not been for me. Players Cup to, I didn't qualify. I think I stopped playing with twenty keys left, because Players Cup to was probably the worst mental I've ever felt with pokemon. Was that when you released your is Pokemon a dead game video? Remember this? Yeah, no, I definitely remember that video, because Jay Hornung asked for the link yesterday. BECAS going to make his own video on that topic on like the that article. I don't remember. Okay, yeah, I don't remember, but that would be funny if, like, I didn't qualify for pc two and then I said pokemons that. Yeah, but yeah, pc two, I just got so frustrated with the volatility between matchups and decks and...

...everything players. Cup Three, I qualified and me and my mom and Danny El Tavia, I'll play the same sixty cent of scorch and I think me and Danny drop by round three and my mom got the top sixteen. I was going to say, yeah, your mom did pretty well. Right, yeah, that's great. So I feel fine about metagaming and deck building. Sure, Um, but I don't know. I definitely got a luck unlucky. And PC three I played against Bob Zang playing whims a cut tool drop and I was playing sent to scort. So I didn't have the luckiest of days. But in terms of PC four, you know, I'm not going in with any pressure on me. I'm going in to have fun and compete in some Pokemon. You know it's not the same as real life, but I'm happy to be competing all the same. If I go in with Peko Ram or or she fo. I will be confident that I'm going to probably play to the best of my ability and we'll see what the matchups on the luck of the day gives me. If I end up not playing Peek Ram or she foo, then I might be in some last minutes, which your troubles. Yes, that is my that is my Achilles heal is switching at the last one. Good. I feel pretty good with either the archy variance and then also pete ram myself as a player. But then it also decides, you know, fifty people decide to bring this insuide today. I don't know, you can never tell what that kind of stuff yeah, sure, well, good it. We should the best of lock, Luke. Of course competing should be should be great. Should be a lot of fun and, yeah, this is such a great conversation. Thank you so much for sitting down with me here on tag team. I hope our listeners really enjoyed the episode. If you guys did and you want to support tag team, please make sure to leave a comment on your favorite podcasting platform give us a five star review. That really helps us give you a sit into that algorithm helps more people see our content. And certainly, you know, helps grow the podcast. So, Luke, any final words before we hop off here today? Not Really. Thank you so much for having me jaw. Everybody it's listening. You can find me on at Celios Network, on Youtube and twitch, and you know, if you have friends that are looking for a card game to get into, it's never been a better time to get into the POKEMON TCG. So many great ever been about rebuilt products, so many easily easy to buy products that are coming out to help you play the game. So yeah, hope, hope I'm around doing POKEMON TCG content out here for a while and thank you for having me on Jw of course, great episode. Thank you, guys once again for listening. I'll talk to you next time here on tag team pace.

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