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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 40 · 4 months ago

3-40. Tag Team With Celio's Network

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Celio's Network joins us for a discussion on PTCG, life, content creation, and more! JW and Luke team up for this week's episode and even give you a breakdown of what to expect in PC4.

...will welcome back everybody to tag team,poke, Monts Premier Podcast, ING duo? I am J W crewall and with me today, notRiley. It's Luke Morson, we're so happy that he's here on the program todaytoday is a little bit of a Somber Day. I feel kind of conflicted recordingthis tonight because we just had a very prominent member of our community passaway earlier this morning in Jimmy Pendarvis and Jimmy was a friend ofmine and a friend of a lot of people in the community and obviously a greatplayer, but more so than that, a really great person, and this episode isdedicated to you Jimmie. I just really appreciated our friendship and I hope, wherever youare, that's your okay. What you're doing well and just know that we allmiss you so with that. Welcome back to the cast everyone! Thank you against somuch for being here. If you're listening on your favorite podcast ing platform,welcome on in and we have Luke River Mor so luke- is that actually yourmiddle name? I don't think I yeah that yeah. If you know who river Phoenix isyeah, I is named after him. That's kind of insane. That's so cool, very good.Well, we're so happy to have you on the cast. This is we don't often bring in alot of guests, but you joined a very illustrious list so welcome on it. YeahI'm glad to be here. Man So tell us a little bit luke, just let's, let's getsome plugs out of the way I mean for people that don't know you, and I meanfrankly, if they're in my sphere of influence, they're, probably in yoursphere of influence, but for someone that has never checked out your channelkind of give us what you do. What's your about, what you've done, maybe inthe game and just a snap shot of who you are as Pokmanty I've been playingmostly casually on and off my whole life going to you know a handful oftournaments of regional or two every year up until two thousand and sixteentwenty seventeen season, when I really hoped in there and started gettingworlds invites and stuff like that, they toos etcetera. As a contentcreator, I started off kind of slow in that twothousand and sixteen O thanase teen time. I had a little bit of extra freetime coming to my hands and I decided I was going to make playing poke on mytop priority outside of family and school, which I've loved to poke hem onmy whole life, but I was never able to make it one of my top priorities before so I felt like I was in a place in lifewhere I could- and I thought I was good, but never really had the time todedicate to become great. So I wanted to start a channel talkingabout pokamal stuff. It started out with the kind of the things that peoplenow know me for, even though it's not my frequent videos, like the statisticsand Meta game analysis and things like that. Those only happen like once amonth now, but when I started that's what I was interested in talking about,and I figured I'm going to talk about these kinds of things. Regardless of people are listening ornot so yeah, I figured you know. Why not uploading you tube and see if otherpeople feel like listening? So when I started this thing out, I just wantedto know you know a couple hundred views on some videos. Maybe have some peoplecollaborate with me and never was supposed to be anything massive. Istarted it on a two thousand and ten MAC book to Con Parel Run. I know thatfeel and yes so and it's evolved into whateverCelia's network seems like it is to you today I put out like a missionstatement, because I got really inspired and really wanted to have likeset goals and something to work towards yeah I'm. So I put out like a missionstatement thing to my patrons and then on totter and then made a Yutu videojust explaining what I want my channel to be and if you're coming along forthe journey, what to expect and really...

I just want to help more people, access to game andallow more people to enjoy the poke on T C G and whatever aspect. Hopefully, amajor one of that in the coming months and years in like in my content, willbe retro content, because I think it's just crazy to me that we all love retrodecks and these you know, there's like four o four mats a year pretty much,but the only one we're ever creating content for is whatever standard on PTC and it just gets forgotten immediately. Yeah and P D C go iswhat's accessible right. I, like I said I've been playing poke on my entirelife. I never downloaded P DC go until January two thousand and seventeen.When I decided I was going to start making content. It's just wasn't thesame as playing cards to me like real parts, e h and that's, what's most accessible tocontent creators and what's most accessible to viewers and I'm a perfectproduct of that. But now that I have a bit of a following, I have you knowpatrons supporting me to which subscription sponsors. I can afford alittle bit better equipment which would be needed to make retro content, sinceit has to be done with real life cards. To be probably to be represented, well,I decide I want to start trying to share that with the world, and you knowwhat the poken community and I think my biggest goal is like if I could bringpeople in to poke on through retro content, for the way that we are allbringing people into pokemoke. That would be just amazing, like if peoplesaw, like my you know my deck profiles and how to play this format and battles between these old decks andpeople came into the pokamal because of retro stuff. In the same vein thatpeople come into like magic through commander or legacy trip, then thatwould just be insane so yeah, I'm trying to grow the community help makeit more accessible because I think it's the best car game out there. So I wantto share with the World Hey. I feel you in that for sure I think Poke Mon isthat game, because I'm a big I'm a big Gamer. You know I'm a big game. I likeboard games. I like Video Games but poke mon is the one thing that has kindof stuck with me for pretty much my entire life. You know I played with mydad for, like probably five years when I was little didn't know that there wastoys. Are Us holding tournaments, didn't know that there were. You knowtropical mega battles that I could go to or what not you know I mean yeah.There was a whole ecosystem that I had no idea about, and then I got intocollege and like wow there's, you know insane amounts of game play, that'shappening at local leagues and you know there's a regional tournament. Are youkidding me? You know, there's a world tournament, what the heck and so yeahit's just carried over for so many years. It's the one thing that I reallyjust can't get tired of, even though it's surprising, like the game. Justalways is changing. Like you said four formats a year, we're always gettingnew cards, we're always getting new ideas, new players, that think aboutthe game of new ways, and it keeps it really fresh. So a few things that Iwant to touch on here from your you know, discussion on Retro Content,one of the biggest well. There seem to be to be to kind of hold ups with this. The first would bethe accessibility of the cards, but, like you kind of mentioned, you knowcommander and magic. Like also has that problem I'd. Imagine I'm not toofamiliar with what their card bull looks like in that format, but you knowcards can get really expensive and we're seeing now just the price of cardskyrocketing. But the more important issue I would think with recordingretro matches is your partner. So who are you planning on playing these with?That has an intimate knowledge, or at least a workable knowledge of theformat such that you can create the content that you want to create. So Ilive at home. I live with my mom and my...

...grand mom and my mom has been playingthe car game with me. Well, when I was like five or six, Iguess she bought me like the two players starter deck- that came withthe first of this Macham that everyone thinks a special now, because it saysfirst addition and we learned out of the rule bout, the roll book with thatI like on living room floor when I was like six or something yeah and thenfrom there. You know her and I played casually I played with my friendscasually when I went to their house when they came to my house star, goingto tournaments around eleven or so and then, when I was in my last year ofseniors, she started playing in tournaments withme because she's just really competitive.She was like on sports teams in high school. She like likes watchingcompetitive stuff. HMM, she gets when we're playing in like the limit,lestore and stuff side by side. I have a second desk for her. She gets she hasto like walk out of the room. She gets heated, th yeah, but she loves thediamond and Pearl era. She really likes an Poleon and shelikes the TYRANNI card from storm front, so she was excited when I said I wasgoing to start building those decks and deep pay block as when I'm startingwith for my recha stuff, so yeah I have my mom Ho who was alwayswanting to play poken cards, but my friend John Sun Stream, who recentlystarted streaming W L, I guess about a year ago, now the real sunny games helives about thirty minutes. For me I know come and him of me and him haveplayed since way back then, since before the diamond impearl days,probably and then a couple other friends that live in the area or closeenough have played with me over the years. So I have a little roster ofpeople who might be coming over to record games with me atsome point: that'd be great yeah. That seems like just such a big hurdle right,because if you, if you live out in the middle of nowhere or you know, your one friend is busythatnight, when you're trying to record like just seems kind of rough or youknow they just don't- have a knowledge of the format. That also seems prettytough yeah yeah. So it seems, like you, have those bases covered now. Let'sshift over to the the card cost so like you're, getting you're promotingsomething that is, you know we look at Pokamal, certainly standard format andI think, to an extent, expanded format is being very affordable card gamecompared to pretty much any. You know you go andmagic. I guess, for the other two kind of benches stand. Standard format isridiculously accessible, yeah like compared to other card games andcompared to poke em on like five years ago. It's excited like it's crazy. It'sTokos of DPI yeah they're, doing really well with it yeah. Absolutely it's!It's been really nice to see that for sure, and so I would imagine that youknow there's kind of this kind of disconnect that some of the viewersmight might see you where you're. Oh, you know, here's the standard form mate.Why I was so cheap. You know I can spend fifty bucks, you know and get afull ter one deck or tear one ish deck and then oh well, here's here's thiscontent, rator WHO's, saying hey! This is really fun too and his you knowmaybe one card in that deck costs fifty dollars, maybe one card in that deckcost a hundred dollars. You know as speak to that. I'm curious if youthought about that or like how you just are thinking about making that retrocontent such that it would be enjoyable to somebody who you know the swath ofpeople that are interested in standard. I have thought about that and I have afew a few answers and possibilities. I didwant to go to what you said about magic commander because, like that's a mad,I'm I'm not also. I dabble a magic, I believe command. There goes back liketo all the sets, I believe it's kind of like an eternal format with some bands,but it's singleton. So it's one card, one copy part, but I have seen people fix that solution by having theirlocals or their leagues do Commander...

Nights that are a hundred dollar costdeck maximum, like the decks, have to have like a hundred dollars or lessworth of cards and them kind of like a popper format, yeah or proxies. You know proxies orsomething. But I I started spreading VP block to acouple, coaching clients and patrons and shout out Josh Chile. He he actually printed out like a handfulof decks and has been bringing them to like locals or with friends and liketeaching them how to play diamond and Pearl Block just with proxies and andlike he's, also building one or two with world championships and real cards. But I plan on doing a video about likea short video about how to just like youknow, find a good site to put in a deck list to get proxies for how to printthem out. You know get yourself a paper cutter make them looky, even back upwith basic energies, get some nice sleeves, so they feel like a real deck,some kind of stuff that might sound obvious to you and me, but just just aslike a starter video. So in every video I'm talking about these retro formatsor these decks, I can say hey and if you want to go, see how to pronounceproxies, there's a quick three minute, video with links. So I have thoughtabout that. Another thing is diamond and Pearl is dimian Pearl Block, whilebeing my favorite is also probably the cheapest old format or like old format. That collection, I can decide on and Cobecause they don't have stars, they don't have exes, they don't have thelegend pieces, so it is more affordable than twentyten and then Rester P K than two thousand and four, but the decks are probably around a hundredand fifty to two hundred, some maybe and fifty a piece so probably kind oflike as much as a standard deck would have been five years ago or seven yearsago, before standard was so wildly accessible. Sure, but also I'd say if you get like ahundred more people into diamond and Pearl, like the cards are going to goup because there's just not that many cards to go around. You know, like, Ithink I've already cleaned out a lot of TC player stores just from needingstaples like fault, toys and call energies and rose anes and stuff. Sothere's really not a lot of these cards to go around because a lot of peoplethat have them are, you know they want them they're holding on to them. I was talking with some friends that,like it would be great if, like Pokamal ever wanted people to play their oldformats and also make a profit off of it and like reprint world championshipdecks or just make like box sets of like the card. You'll need to play withthe diamond impearl area, yeah kind of doing like a old, Sol, Sol trainers,trainer tool, kit type, but for yeah, or even like, like the battle academy box, but justfill it with like the card. You would need to play with decks from that era.HMM, but I don't know if that's ever goingto be something that's possible. Magic does do things like that to make theirold formats possible to play like they do. I don't know what they're called, butthey do. Booster boxes and the list of cards that are possible to pull in themhas like a handful of cards from every set ever now. It seems like a greatidea. I mean personally because I'm a POKAMAL training card game nerd likeI'm like. Yes, that needs to happen like we need to go. You know full steamahead. You Know Puka get on the line here or listen, but then you thinkabout just the the game: design mentality. I know you've thought aboutthat a lot and just like how different the game is now versus back then likeit almost feels like if they were to do something like that that they're noteven pushing the same product yeah and...

...a lot of wathe. I think if they didblack and white on like if they did anything with black and white Olan,that would be fine m because that's when they change their disioso suresure. So that would probably be fine, but yeah. Now that's a great point tobring up, because I mean I do play diamond and Pearl Block because it doesfeel like a different game, but in a good way. And yet I like that's why Ido play it yeah, but I mean, ah, I think, at the end of the day theysell product because it's pokemoke yeah but like I mean I think, the thing withpokmanty e they're not out here going like man. How can we just sell aproduct they could? They could throw anything out there, it's like how do wesell the most product you know now. Now that's a good point, and that's that'sa point that I I'm constantly reminded of because Ipogamogan do anything and they'll sell it. You know yeah, so you know, but I have hope for thosekinds of things with I mean there's a nice team of peopleworking at TPI these days that a bunch of people that I know like you knowlike retrode and enjoy the old formats and have a have a love for preserving the gamekind of so yeah yeah. We W that was me more. If it were ever to happen, Ithink it could happen. Well, it's definitely a really noble pursuit. Iwant to take a branch. The conversation off just a little bit. We were talkingabout magic, maybe bring in a little bit of Ugo. But for me, when I look at pokemoke creation, it is very difficultto make any sort of money. You know you look at the top content creators forPOKAMAL card game. You Got Andrew Mahon, you got, you know you could maybe lumpin. You know frosty Cariboo in with that, although she does primarily, youknow she does do competitive content, that's not to say she doesn't, but justprimarily box openings right and that's, I think, kind of what she's built thechannel around and then you look at like p TC radio, who does primarilynews like, and these are kind of t e, the torch bearers for Pokmanty Cardgame, and certainly you know kind of this competitive, Pokamal training cardgame. So with that they you know combined, don't have youknow like as many Yutu subscribers or twitch subscribers or whatever it is.As some of these you know, kind of large, you know magic and Ugo Communities, and so my question toyou is like, with your leap of faith, in your jump into full time, contentcreation. Why do you think pokmanty seems to lag behind those other twogames in terms of just how much you know attention is, may be given to it,and why do you think that this is kind of a wise idea to jump in at this point? Well. Never so now it is a Yahi know, that's a pretty like broadquestion, but no e free to tackle it at any point. Yeah well, so magic pushes the game. Magic, magic, just disbanded, their pro tour,whatever it was called, which was a terrible idea anyway and could havejust just derailed the entire sport of Magic to gathering but magic pushes for Magic to be an e sport. Magic caresabout the numbers they're getting watching their big tournaments parkstone pushes for to be an e sport. heartstonewants to be something that has tens of thousands of viewers watching. I don't know how far this goes up butor how far it goes down, but I'm sure there's people at the top that don'tcare pokemoked tournaments, get one ver...

...or ten thousand, because poke on'sgamers are bringing such little revenue and Ithink so little time is given to how to push it because, I always say like ifI'm I'm in love with legends of Room Terrors Lay out, I'm not sure if you'veever tried legends over in Tara. But I think it's the golden standard for whatan online an online trading card games should look like. Now, I don't check, Idon't love the game itself, because I'm in love with Pokamal, and it's just itjust not poke em on for me, but the game is so beautifully done and I think,if TPI or whoever is in charge of PG could revamp it to look even like halfas good as that does- and you know more target it to everybody. Sure, like thepoke on franchise, has just an incredible pool behind it. that P T Cgo. I think would pop off just in the extent that these old magicand heartstone and these others- and I do think about that- a lot and talkabout it, some either on streams or in videos or just in general, chats withfriends but there's definitely somewhat of aceiling right now, with poke on t G. Excuse me, TC content, creating with anemphasis on the g there of Yamin, because there's plenty of pokamaltrading card, absolutely content. Creators yeah, but just not playing thegame- and you know it's weird, because magicis like five percent competitive players. That's like who buys the cardsabout five percent of their cards are bought by competitive players rightsame thing for Pokamal, even less for poken, but then, whereas poke on hasthis other ninety plus percent chunk of people that by cards and have neversleeved the one up to play in a deck that that huge ninety percent chunk formagic, his casual players, kitchen table players, families that playcommanders commander, players that go to league and never even look at asingle tournament result. So, there's a lot there's a much larger chunk of thepopulation of magic cards actually playing with the game, although morepoke among cards are being sold, there's less people playing the gameyeah, and so I think that has to do with why we see a bit of a smaller or alot smaller rate of growth and viewers hip for pokemoke yeah. It seemsinteresting, though, because I and I don't know the exact numbers on this,but, as I understand the pokemoke, you know that you look at the regionalcircuit like pays out more than another level tournament in other Games, so itdoesn't say yeah. Would you think that that, like money would drive morepeople to play like that to me? You know I had a comment in the chance.Somebody saying increase. Support for the competitive level would be amazingto you know, increase the amount of people that play, but Ifeel like they have done that and there's still something missing yeah. Ihonestly think our numbers between regional championships andInternational Championships in the past couple of years are just fying comparedto magic and Yuge and stuff. I think are the number of people that are goingare fine and Pokamal main an insane jump between being like. Why are youeven competing for these prizes? Six years ago? To? Oh, my God, wait now theprizes are better than magic and Ugo Yeah Yeah, and I you know- and it'sfunny and I won you know a regional both of those areas where one was youknow, basically a pat on the back and some packs and the other one was. Youknow five cheese which got me through. You know six months, essentially, youknow is insane so yeah, so you've seen...

...both sides yeah. I have definitely seenboth sides buyeh and I seen people switch over to pokamal.That happened when the price support happened. I heard people tell me youknow I used to not play pok em on because there was no like prize support, giving me acompetitive drive, but I liked it better than you go, but now I'm backbecause there's money things like that. I've also won a different note heardthat people think Pokamal, more childish and Yeah pokamal is by naturemore child yeah. But I that doesn't mean it's less competitive right forsure, and I mean I you know. I would honestly argue, though, that like yougo is the same way, though I mean it's for like children. I think it's, Ithink it says like children, six in up like that. That's there you know sixenup right playing you GIS at sick, like I feel like they're, very simillar, butit's just interesting to me. You again you're coming at this whereyou're like you know what I want to go into full time: pokmanty creation andthen you just look at kind of the landscape, and it looks I don't want tosay it looks barren because there are, you know, a few, a few peaks, the thekind of three that we mentioned and then you could also maybe lump in likeother full time creaters like maybe like a zool for for full time and I'msure there's a few others in there that I'm, maybe not thinking of off the topof my head, but just a little more barren than what I might look at evenat a like. A casual search of like magic, you know on Yout, you know yousee the hundred thousand million subscriberchannels, like you know, they're raking in a ton of views. You know they'remaking that good money of their yout channel and that's not even countinglike what they have on twitch and so like what about pokmanty and your voice, and I hope this is not like againcoming in like too hot. You know but like what a what about you? What aboutit makes you think that you can, you know, make it or make it, and I don'tknow your level of like success. I don't know what you would considersuccess or what you would consider full time, because that might be you know,I'm doing it a lot, but I'm also like supplementing with the with a side jobor I don't quite know what it looks like. But what you know what makes youwant to take that leap. So I want to take the leap because over over the pandemic, basically I wasfull time and graduate school in internship and also doing content andbetween my content on my sponsors. I felt like I was probably making aboutas much as I would have if I was doing a part time job aside from school yeah. So in a month, what I'm doing myinternship and I kind of like make that on official switch over to being a fulltime content creator, I'm basically going to see if I can double down andturn that part time in comino somewhat of a full time income, and I think likemaking it as a content. Creator would be that I can, you know, provide formyself with the income but, like I said, I also just got outof graduate school, so I'm going to give myself some time to try this out,because I think I think my channel has the potential and I think the game isonly going up at the moment, especially expecting a pretty large surge when thepandemic ends were on. When we're back to events. Whenever it's going to be so, you know if it doesn't work out. Igo back to just making videos for fun and I get a full time job as acounselor, a Ye. So Ye now for sure for sure it's a good like I feel like it'sa good spot to be, and you know you specifically because you know I'm surethat the overhead cost of living are maybe diminished, because you know youlive with family yea and then you know...

...your young girl, like you're youngerthan me, certainly and like you, have this kind of you're not locked intolike a commitment or a job. Yet at this point, and so you know,there's a lot of things that certainly you know, fall your way right. When youlook at this there's a lot of advantages. Do you have so I wish you the best I mean you know.Obviously I think a rising tide. You know you know, helps all ships right. Itlifts all ship. So so you know your success correlates. Ithink, to other success. You know, hopefully my success. You know.Hopefully you just carry me to success, yeah, that's kind of Ye. That's what we're good! That's whatwe're doing here! That's why I'm here yeah exactly exactly! I I didn't think you could singlehandedly. Just you know, carry the podcast to you, know unbelievable. Youknow Joe Rogan numbers. I wouldn't have asked you on so absolutely yeah. I wantto have expected you to no. I was I was chatting with you alittle bit before we started and told you that I had a talk with Andrew fromTurkey, Jim for the chat about content and whatnot, and I was kind of sayingthe same thing you know like Andrews like the ceiling for poken T C G trading card game likeactually playing the game. I look at him as kind of the ceiling you know hischannel does really well, as twitch does really well. He puts out great content, but I don't see anybody else touchingthat ceiling right now and I I think if the people underAndrew you know like a Zoul myself you if we don't push ourselves to try toreach Andry's ceiling, maybe his ceiling will never raise. You know likeif, if we're not all moving upwards, what is there to compete with? You knowbecause I believe in Success Breeds Laziness and definitely not sayingAndrews Lazy. I think it's contents. Great, but he maybe maybe there's youknow, maybe you're talking about like a success. You know breeds a lack ofinnovation, perhaps ah a Goin to put it because if you don't see yourcompetitors, you know doing things that are innovating, maybe you're, notthinking ill crap. I need to do something cool now, yeah and I kind I look at Pokamal company inthat way, because there's nothing that can touch pok em on. I feel like in theearly two sands late S. maybe they were trying to compete with diceman, butthey definitely won that war and that's that's kind of how I look atpoke on like Oh there, if dig, mom was still like threatening their franchise at beingnumber one. Maybe that would try a little harder things, but that's how Ilook at I don't and don't speak too soon. Man, there's there's that Digoncard game yeah there's you look in the rounds, but I recently over the pastmonth or two start, listen to a lot of ELA musk and beaches, and I can quicklysound like an Enalus fan boy, but he talks a lot about. You know if you're not failing and trying newthings, then you're not really going to succeed M and that's when I like. Istarted thinking like okay, I could sit here and do these. You know deckprofiles and P TC game play and the Meta discussion and get my thousandviews per video and dom pretty okay for Pokamal or I can start taking risks andtrying to do new things like the product reviews that I did for theINTELLI ON B Maxley battle deck, which that video popped off and I'm happybecause people are commenting and saying they're buying the product, anthat's what I want. I want people buying these really great products thatcan help them, learn how to play the game trying to do the retro content.That initially, when I do this retorcendo M, expecting it to reallybring down my views at first. You know absolutely I'm expecting to get a fewhundred views on the retro content, but...

I'm going to you know, take that andwork harder on the next one and just see what I can do to make these retrovideos for new viewers, because I don't want to make retro viewers for theretro heads or retro content for the retro heads, because we already havethat right. We have people like j Horn on doing that. We have snow point cast m yeah, there's. Definitely a lot of youknow a lot of sizable material out there for the people that know whatthey're doing but there's, maybe not as much material out there for somebodythat's just trying to break into that setting yeah and like I was talkingabout my my coaching client Josh, who I got into the diamond and Pearl Block.Seeing Him who had you know, never touched it before and now he's gettinginto it and getting a group of friends into it in their printing out decks ofseeing it. Okay, maybe it's possible for someone who's been playing standardfor six months to get into this and really enjoy something different,almost play it as like a side card game. Sure. So do you ever see yourselftransitioning out of like a standard format realm and to do primarily retrocontent, or is that just going to be kind of an angle to your channel? If I let's say it blows up like in my wildest dreams thatwould like you know, we get it getting like magic to gather and commandernumbers, and at most I would probably make a secondchannel for the retro stuff or make my yout channel retro, but play pDC on the streams. But if that ever happens, I think it's a ways down theline yeah because I do enjoy talking about Metagaming and like Metagami and deck building, are my main joys and standardform at right now, because I don't find the literal game play quite rivetinganymore, but so I would definitely miss doingthat and I would want to still do that in some capacity o absolutely cool.Well, I have one more kind of question oncontent creation before we move on to a few other topics, but were some of your influences in content creation, Imean you mentioned tricky Jim and, like obviously, if you're a you know, pokemon TC content creator like yeah, you mention s, he's the apex at this pointin time and and likely will be as long as he continues to pro produce the kindof content that he does, but who are some other influences either in sidePokan or I mean honestly, I'm a little more interested in like outside of pokeon who are your content Creator influencers yeah? So I actually I'mprobably out looking into the camera now, because I brought up mysubscriptions on you tube. So I don't forget anybody. One of my biggest is his name. Is Alpha investments? Yes,his channel? Yes, O! I do no Rudy Kayites emporium. Yes, I'm a patron ofhis. I Buy a case of magic, some months fromEm Nice, throw it in the back. WAIT TEN YEARSYEAH! That's right! That's right! That'sright! But Yeah I've been watching him forprobably more than three years now, almost as long as I've been creatingcontent on Celia's network and I started watching him because it was funto watch him toll. You know open packs and say crazy things, but what reallygot me into him was his video was about life and his Qa about. How did you gofrom? You know a stockbroker twenty four to now you're a millionaire off acardboard and stuff like that and a lot of stuff about. You know following yourpassion- and you know he said you know- I went away for magic time and timeagain, but I always came back to it and I feel that way about pokamal hainvestments for sure, just what the the...

...work ethic he has like. He is eitherdoing a yout, video or shipping out product or buying product orinventorying it, and I don't necessarily want to be likea buyer and seller, maybe a little bit on the side for fun. But that's notwhat I want my full time thing to be, but just like the work ethic and theway he was able to build in his build his emporium out ofhis knowledge of cardboard base, absolutely is really inspiring yeah I mean he's,definitely put in the work and yeah your sea can make you tube videos everyday just the way he speaks like. I have a lot of respect for people that justcan speak off the cuff, like you can and make it engaging and make itexciting and yeah make it a like consistent thread like he has abeginning middle and end to all of his videos, and he does it every single dayand it's just so consistent, so good and yeah yeah. That's one thing that Iadmire about him for sure. So what are some other creators that you look atand are like? Oh yeah, that's you know, that's who I like. I want to stealsomething from them or I want to be like them, coincidentally, and I'mpretty sure I've either sent you links or you know of them as well, but theyalso start the same word Alpha gaming. You Know Harris Seller, Oh yeah, hairseller, sure yeah, okay, great, so not necessarily that he does any contentthat I want to do as well M, but similar to Ou was talking about I'vebeen watching ELA, musk speeches and how he you know if you're, not failingyou're, not trying kind of thing, I really admire that Harris went out on alimb and paid tens of thousands of dollars to have music producers makethese stream beat albums, never knowing if he was going to make a set off ofthem, and now he brings in a hundred and fifty grand every month for a dreamstreet so crazy, because he saw something that was not being done andevery streamer was getting the MC a strike and he needed they neededcopyright free music. That was also not boring m and he just filled that gapwith, like you know, innovation and some background knowledge and musicthat he had yeah. So I really like Alpha Gaming Tricky Jim, obviously, andyour Mahone. You know he does a little of everythingand I love that he, you know he has some videos that are worth while forcompetitive people. Like you and I to watch M, he has a lot of videos thatare great for the newcomers. Maybe like a kid watching with their parentlearning, how to pile it a deck or even you know, somebody or aged it- is justgetting back into it after fifteen years sure, which is very good, becausewe need high quality content for beginners. He has box openings. He hasyou, know Players Cup game play true stuff, rechard deck profile, so evencubing. So I love the angers able to have a PTvariety channel and keep it doing really well to keep it doing the bestout of all of them, because something that will happen is it's really hard tohave a variety of content and keep your views up and consistent. You know, I'm sure Andrews, like RetroVideos, definitely dip in views, but they still do very well. So I admire that that he's able to havevideos where he shows off his passion with the old stuff, aer with cubing orthose kinds of things, but also have the stuff that brings in a little moreviewers and also brings in new people to to the stream yeah to the content. Yeahone thing for sure that I want to start doing more of that. My you know in mykind of personal content creation journey is, you know, legacy videos. Sowhat does that look like for me? I have a quite you know, figure that out andI'm dealing with. You know the move right now and there's not a lot of timeto actually like pour into a video the kind of thing that I want to do,but those legacy videos are so...

...important and that's you know kind ofwhat has me excited about your retro content, because that's always going tobe. You know that that's as relevant now, like you know, a format fromtwenty ten is as relevant now as it might be in five years or ten yearsright, because that's all pretty static, and so do you have any other ideas forkind of how you would change your channel to incorporate maybe more ofthat legacy. You know you mentioned obviously Andrews kind of mix ofcontent, anything else that you're planning with your channel. Like them, I mean it's all kind of connected, butI decided that whenever I am going to start recording game play for a retroera, I'm going to do a short introduction to that format. So rightnow I'm brain storming and recording some de role and stuff for introductionto diamond and Pearl through rcus, because I want to make thisintroduction video very, very brief and easy to understand, because this iskind of going to be hopefully like an evergreen video. I'm not really postingit to get a thousand views in a day, I'm more so going to be posting it sothat I can link it to every diamond impearl video that follows Ye. So, like.Oh, you don't know what these cards do well make sure you go watch this shortvideo to know the first turn rules the mechanics things like that. So I plan to do that for diamond andPearl and then plan to do it again for two thousand and eighteen worlds, whichis another. You know it's not really a retro format, but two thousand andeighteen world is one of my favorite formats and I'm also building acollection of decks for that one as well yeah but yeah. So I plan to do theintroduction videos and just try to make dis wretch your content asaccessible and easy to watch. As possible, I because I definitely don't want tointimidate anybody in the first minute. You know yeah, absolutely, I think,making making that kind of content relatable and easy easy to wait into.You know you don't want to jump into the deep end. You want to take thelittle. You know step stool down into the water. So absolutely I feel you onthat. Well, fantastic! I'm really excited tosee where the channel goes. I think right now you know yeah, like you said,there's a lot of people. I think trying kind of some different things we'rejust seeing like poke mon explode in terms of just the cards in general andnow it's kind of time for content creators to follow suit. So one thing Iforgot that I did when you said that I remembered whenever events do get announced. Ithink there is going to be a huge influx of people searching the Internetfor what to do with all of these cards. They bought over the pandemic becauseof Logan Paul or whoever yeah, and I want to make sure I have ideasand content ready for one that happens to help transition. These people fromyou know maybe being twenty years old and they bought a couple booster boxesfor fun, but now they hear the pokamal events every two week ends at thenmajor cities across the country, and I want to help transition those peopleinto that. So I'm sure a lot of us are going to be doing that, but just making sure I'm a part of thator that it's happening at the very least yeah. Absolutely absolutely so.With that look I'd like to transition into our cart of the day, I know youhave one that yeah. Normally we pick older cards, but you said before thecast you wanted to show Cay something from chilling rain that you're, maybevery excited about. Are you just like I'm excited to hear what it is so luke?Take it away a part of the day. Do you can I ask if you have a guest o? Youknow the chilling rain set, I mean. Well. I guess like is it based on theart or based on the playability, we're so just the overall the design,the feel of the card that it might be playable? It might end up being fringedgreat or somewhere in between, but I...

...think it's a little bit fresh is it? Isit a V pokmanty? No okay, then I have no idea, let's hear so. It is a ruggedhelmet. I'm going to try going Oh baby, that's the one with the energy, itpicks. The energy back to hand is ever. Let me see if my cat- I don't know myoh there. It is on it, but so rugged helmet no way read I'll, readit for the chat. It's a poke on told that you attach to one of your poke onthat. Doesn't already have a book on Tol attached if the pokamal this car isattached to is in the active spot and is damaged by an attack or even knockedout put an energy attached to the attacking Pokamal into your opponent'shand. So this, and also by extension, I think,Toll Jammer from I think battle styles told you ever yeah.I think tool. Jammer was also kind of in the same feel as this wehaven't gotten cards like this in quite a while, or at least in my opinioncards like this in a little bit, I feel like cards were a little bland for,like the first four sets of sort of shield m. But I think this is a reallyhealthy form of energy denial, because your opponent can either choose to techfor it with toil jammer tool, scrapper greeted or they can choose to play around it.You know if they really want their energy there for next turn. They couldjust decide to pass sure, and I really like to see cards that make the opponent having formeddecisions, because a lot of people really rant about power spray withpower spray for those listening or watching is basically a card you couldplay on your opponent's turn to cancel one of their powers that they use, yeahor abilities, and well you know I enjoyed that card.I wouldn't be mad or thrill of it came back, but I see cards like this ruggedhelmet and like toll jammer, the way that we have player interaction in pokeon t c G. I see that as like our comparison to like magic haven, instantspeeds or you don't having a trap card because rocked helmet is kind of like atrap card. If you attack your losing an energy and then maybe I'll marty intoyour deck and it's not in your hand anymore, so I'm actually brewing somein Tellin v Max stets with rugged helmet. I don't know I just I love the flavorof it that it's energy denial that your opponent can play around. It's notsomething you're doing on your turn, so it's really really unique in that way,and even if it doesn't end up being great, I don't think it's going to belike a card that you see in more than like. I have to manure it's I maybeworking in tell on or maybe working something else, but I think it's areally cool card that if your opponent forgets about it or doesn't know whatto do about it, it could possibly make a skill difference in a game or toreally make some naughty scenarios between the board. So I yeah I enjoythis card and I'm excited to brew with it rugged Helmet, Huh yeah, you knowsee. I looked at that card and I said it's fine, but is it better than youknow? I think you're always like asking? Is it better than you know some othercard right like is my sixty the last sixty that you could so I'm excited tosee what happens could be cool could be cool. My plan is that if youpart with a v Max with one energy- something I can tell you on Ma yeahsure you can sheol at every turn and not care and then that rugged helmetsjust sitting there getting extra value so sure in my mind, that's how it wouldbe okay houses better than just playing a crushing hammer and flipping well,because maybe you can get multiple uses out just one card, so yeh see yeahexactly! No! That's that's a great point. Well excellent cart of the day,Luke excellent card of the day very interesting to see I'm very interestedto see what you're going to do with that card. So, let's move on, we haveour final topic of today. Again, I want...

...to be very respectful of your time.Thank you again for joining us as easily, but we have a big tournamentcoming up in the Players Cup for and I wanted to know some of your thoughts,what you're planning to at least test with you. Of course, you know with themoney on the line. All this, you don't have to give give me what you're goingto play, although it's going to be open deck list, but I digress. So what aresome things that you're looking at as being kind of the cream of the crop asit comes to this format and what are you leaning towards playing if thetournament were tomorrow, Yeah Yeah? So I keep going back and forth between a between my opinion that was kind ofexpressed by a tweet last week, or so I quoted Kevin alone from the office andsaid why something like why do evolve.Pokamal when big basic utrich or something like that sure, and I don'tknow Pico Rome is very good. Joi completely agree and it's so versatileand it can come back and that's yeah one of the Don I love I love Picaro Iused to despise people of, but in the darkness of Bleezer a hater brow.It came to me and I realized you know you can make. You know informed decisions, it's thatit's one of that, I would say I would argue it's one of the like two decksthat and Luke metal and, like maybe Blasen or you could like, make anactual decision. That would impact the game. You know if you make a decisionon turn to it, could actually impact the game on turn ten which, like a turn,it is for the most part you're, not you're, not really thinking right, likethere's a lot of other decks out there. That you're, just not really thinkingabout Pekaranga, is one of those that it also toss or she food her its upthere, I'm destricte she go yeah on that note. Just to briefly go to theside that I'll come back. I I do think that people don't giveenough credit for people winning with Adz and winning with a ternates andstuff. Like that, be sure you can definitely still throw the game. Oh forsure, you know like it's, but and sometimes I say that like I'll, be like.Oh, it's so easy to play, but I don't mention you can also make good playswith it. Guys wanted to toss that in no. You absolutely can I mean, then that isyou know, and that's not a knock on anyway, because I played a turn Atisfor a long time. You know, but I mean, but the level of difference thatcertain plays make in an eternity stack in the early game are vastly, I wouldsay, vastly different than you know, there's still those those slightdifferences that gradient, but I would say the gradient is a little morecolorful in the pegram deck in terms of your choices that you make as opposedto like an attornies in AP. You know that kind of thing for sure. Yes,absolutely so you would say that you're leaning towards peak around right nowyou also mentioned rapid strike, is just being a deck that maybe has moreoptions to it. So I would imagine you know someone like you would would wantkind of the breadth of options that something like rapid strikers Fu couldprovide yeah I, depending on probably the hour you askme in the past few days, I've been either on Chinchin, O or she or Picaronat the moment. Okay, but I'm also my number three is Geracior she now it's not very much different than Concino or she they have a littlebit different of an early game. You know you're evolving, a couple morePOLKAM, but for the price of you get more draw power in the mid to leaking,but then how long is the Metalla game actually lasting? So you kind of haveto outweigh these things. I played Chancin Ershi to the limitlesswhatever on Saturday. It was a short lived event for me because I droppedafter around three. I I will say in my mind you knowsometimes there's decks on paper that really seem like. Why am I not playingthis deck and that that, for me, for the past two players, cups has been madparty and...

...for about three four days I wasthinking. You know that party seems great, let the top Dekar like Pekaranga.You know we got. We got a lot of just big pokamal to be one shot out there.So why? Why Not Mad Party and then round one my mom and I both played thesame. Sixty Ershi food can Chino list both played against a mad party and weboth beat it because mad party just had some trouble on it on its end, yeah andI remembered why I'm not playing mad party yeah, so that was that was helpful to mebecause it really narrowed down my choices a and then I forgot what else I lost to and aroundtwo and then round three. I had one of the best, probably the best game ofbattle. Styles format that I played against Patriota us. We played a fiftynine cards in Chino, Ershi Mirror and it was really close and it made me likeConcino or she more. But you know I thought the difference between he him and himor me winning was like who didn't with an energy or who didn't with getting anextra Chinchin o on the board or things like that and things you don't have toworry about with Picaron right. You know, but Piketon. It's like okay, Igot both toned and energy were probably good to go like there's a there's,probably like an over fifty percent chance on winning this game, because Igot bolt one energy yeah right exactly so it's between Pekerangi, I also thinkluke metal is very good. LUMED is very good. I think Lukenia good. I waspracticing that against rapid strick or she today because, like I want to seeyou know if rabbit, stick, erse with a phoebe just can beat me just becausethey put in at one card, then I don't want to play look metal anymore, but Ido think it has more depth than that yeah. It is a little deeper. It justdepends on I've found just how quickly you can find that Phoebe how quicklyyou can get attacking with the rapid strike, deck yeah kind of chain thePhoebes into the Zamacona yeah. Exactly so, generally speaking, I feel likeit's a favorable match of for for for Luke metal, but yeah. You know if youcan outspeed with the rapid strike, then you're in a good spot, yeah yeah.So I think I think Ershi and peek are probably like, even if you're notplaying it, I think everybody thinks they're to two of the best decks or thetwo best decks. I think Luke metal is a great play, butI personally would guess that I'm not going to end up playing it, although I do think it's a good deckstill, if you're not comfortable with anything APC's, always good, becauseAdz goes into just about every single game, with a chance of winning which isreally nice to have. If you don't feel like, you have t call for a tournamentsure attarine isn't really for me.maybesomebody will grind in to top sixteen even a with it, but I have nodoubt I have no doubt yeah. It's turned as hammers, that's another one whereit's like. You know it's kind of a high roll deck, but you're going to you'regoing to slap around. You know the people that are like Oh yeah, I'm goingto bring Peker on right, like you're, just going to smack that tack you'regoing to smack around the Mutu decks that that show up so that on a like a,I was also I'm glad. You said that, because I was going to forget, grass meets to rilby meet to whateverit's called toward got to number one in the world playing that he didn'tdivulge his list. But you know I said to one of my group chats like eitherthe deck is good because toward you know, got a hundred and sixty rep withit or the deck is whatever, but towards insane soling a hundred and sixty rapright. So I have played a little bit with the deck and I played against thedeck a lot on ladder and tournaments. I think it's pretty good versus Pica andErsa. I think it's legit yeah, I think it's legit and especially with the kindof decline and crushing Hammer. Just...

...generally, I would say you know you'renot really seeing ad plus, at least from my experience playing crushingHammer. So that's certainly one archetype, that's kind of moved awayfrom it. You know you're more easily able to get that tropical. Our GX andjust like you know, demolish a lot of these decks that rely on thoseattachments, those extra attachments so e h, and then it just has so many ofe's good yeah, I'm with you I'm with you, I thought grass mute was going tobe. You know good for a while and then played it in the Players Cup and likefor a little wit and just didn't. I was run into the the victimes and the andthe bless a Flans, and I was like okay I'll put this away because fire Metaand yeah just not not not that great but good. So that would be. Would yousay that that would be kind of like that under the radar deck that youwould that you need some more testing with before you decide whether or notto play it, or is that just something that you're kind of throwing out therethat you're? Probably not really considering that much yeah, I don'tthink I'm going to Yeah Luke metal and Rilla Boom, you to I'd, say our deckthat at the moment, I'd bet money. I don't end up playing it next weekend M,but I think they're good and I like it's, not a shock if people show upwith them and it's not a shock to me if they get through the first day of Torof rounds, sure I think they're really good. Velabo me three, I'm I'm trying to still realize what its weaknesses are,because I know it has them. I saw somebody in our chat mention thatlosing the coin flip really hurts it if it has to go first that kind ofhurts yeah, and I definitely agree with that. If people are heavy on power plants oron the mimic, you things like that, even the heel block mimick Y, whichPedro played in his Ershi Fu Chancin when we played our mirror recently- andI think Nico Alaba- has played hell block mimic you in his erchiae o listas well. If that's making the rounds, I know aGrell mute to one of its strengths against me and mytesting has been its ability to tag call out Malema yeah so much because itplays for ti calls typically and also to tag call goosman stealthy hood tostop the shadow box mimic you. So I do think it has some weaknesses. Ithink it's a little bit harder than some of the other methodics to play. Idefinitely think it's harder than attornies and absolutely, but not ashard to play as look metal or peek around probably M, so it's in themiddle there. It does have somewhat of a skill floor but yeah, I think it's agood deck and if I see a top name piloting it they're not going to bescared, yeah right, so there's er well prize and a little scared. If I'mplaying Pecara last question, I mean Luke. How confident are you habitinginto this player's Cup, for I'm not familiar with how you performed in thelast players cups? But are you feeling like you're sad? Areyou feeling like you've done your homework or you just feel like you'rescrambling at this point I don't know cause the sea, the. Let me tell you J W.The players cups have just not been for me Players Cup to I didn't qualify. I think I stoppedplaying with twenty keys left, because Players Cup to was probably the worstmental I've ever felt with Pokamal was that when you released your is pokamaldead, game video. I remember this yeah. No. I definitely remember that video,because j Hornung asked for the link yesterday, but I was wont to make hisown video on that topic. I like that article. I don't remember okay yeah, I don'tremember, but that would be funny if, like I didn't qualify for P C two andthen I said Popon that yeah but yeah, P C to I just got sofrutrated with the volatility between...

...match ups and decks and everything Players Cup. Three I qualified and memy mom and Daniel Tavia all play the same. Sixty cent a scorch and I thinkme and Danny drop by round three and my mom got the top. Sixteen, I was goingto say yeah, your mom did pretty well right, yeah, that's great, so I feelfine about Metagami and deck building sure, but I don't know I definitely got luckunlucky in P, three, I played against Bob Zang playing wins a cot toll dropand I was playing centisols, so I didn't have the luckiest of days, butin terms of P C, for you know, I'm not going in with anypressure on me, I'm going in to have fun and compete in some pokamal. Youknow it's not the same as real life, but I'm happy to be competing all thesame. If I go in with Pecorum or Ershi fo, I will be confident that I'm goingto probably play to the best of my ability and we'll see what the match ups in theluck of the day gives me. If I end up not playing Pekrot, then Imight be in some last minute. O troubles. Yes, that is my that is. My Achillesheel is switching at the last rudy good. I feel pretty good with either of theErshi and then also pe a run myself as a player, but then it also decides youknow t I fifty people decide to bring the situa today. I don't know you can never tell what that kind ofstuff. I sure well good. It wish you the best of Lock Luke. Ofcourse, competing should be should be great, should be a lot of fun and yeah.This is such a great conversation. Thank you. So much for sitting downwith me here on tag team. I hope our listeners really enjoyed the episode.If you guys did- and you want to support tag team, please make sure toleave a comment on your favorite podcast ing platform. Give us a fivestar review. That really helps us. Give me a tie into that algorithm helps morepeople, see our content and certainly you know, helps grow the podcast soluke any final words before we hop off here today. Not really, thank you so much forhaving me J W everybody. That's listening. You can find me on at Celisnetwork on Yuture and twitch, and you know if you have friends that arelooking for a card game to get into. It's never been a better time to getinto the poke on t g, so many great ever been about rebuilt products, somany easily easy to buy products that are coming out to help you play thegame, so yeah hope hope. I'm around doingpokemoke out here for a while, and thank you for having me on J W, ofcourse great episode. Thank you guys once again for listening I'll talk toyou next time here on tact, peace.

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