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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 8 · 1 year ago

3-8. A Coalossal Affair

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys have seen their Player's Cup run to its conclusion, and have some last minute reccomendations for the procrastinators out there. Be sure to check this out for some tips, tricks, and additional insight into the future of Pokemon TCG.

What's up, everybody welcome back totag team, the FOOKBAN trading card games from Eurpodcasting Doo, as always,I'm Riley Hovert, joind FY, my good good friend, Ju cre Wel dovw how's gotoday, tit's going pretty well riley and feeling a little low energy. I don't know what it is rain and the darkness. It's been darkfor pretty much the last two days: it'sjust overcast and just in cldentantdarkness yeah. I don't know- and I've just been looking at a computer screenfor like nine hours today, so I o or I'mfeeling a little lowineryeah. I feel that I've, a I've been reallystruggling with like allergies lately and if all I guess fall, isn't reallythe most risional time to have allergies, but it's not incommon either,and so it's been a huge pain and I felt awful. I actually just woke up from anap, not a planned one. I just Kinda was inmy van and all of a sudden. I was in my bed and it was later Arigtyou know:that's that's the kind of day I'm having that'sigt it's. Also it's beenraining over here too. No, I don't think. As I think, Ohio's had some likereally trurbulent kind of weather right orit's changed a lot in the last couple of days. Yep We haven't had it that bad in Minnesotawas snowing. The other day that's wild yeah. I was snowing in theupper peninsula as well. An it'ss like it's, not okay, man, it's Yo early! I do enjoy good snow. Really. I don't know I'm KINDAF overso.I I like it man. I like I, it's a nice change of pace. From day today, I kinda,like the cool weather, like I like ruing a jacket having a sweater jeansand all that I like that. But Yeah Snow is just condoftaining full, sometimes for sure, but you know it's raining here still so everything's good. I think thet, let'sjust jump right into it, don't need to stick to gloom and do him, though so flavorofs. It is still gloom, ING doinefor one of us, but it's still a little bit of Glimindo, but not all the way.So the players coff is wrapping up. Thisis the last full week, O Gameplay, that we have here, and you know we're starting to get a goodsense of where things are falling. How many players are actually like doingthis thing? Ay points you can expect to need all that kind of fun business, andso we talked a lot about my run. Last week,a lot of Pekaram lot of Lcaro, my metal GW. We didn't have a great chance totalk about Europron, which is now completed. So why don't you give us thequick lowdown on how that's gone since we last checkd in sure? So I m more than likely and not going to makethe second stage of the players to a Players Cup two. I ended the run withseventy eight points, which is you know significantly below where I was aimingto hit. You know I was hoping to get somewhere in the in the nineties,hundreds Um, you know I was hoping to get two hundred and fifty, butobviously I didn't quite get there. So I played a majority of the tournaments,I would say twenty five. It was like twenty five to thirty with Pkaram, andthen I played ten with Lucario Mel Metal and aboutyou know whatever the rest. Fifteen would yeah fifteen with EIGTP Zahian,and I had the most success with Pekaram Um and it was you know it was the deckthat I got. Maybe fifty forty or fifty points from Licario Mel metal also didpretty well and Adpz was just not hitting. I think I had a couple ofgames towards the end of the run that really just kind of exemplified the whole run, nott not to place the whole thing on bad luck by any means, but there was just likecouple of games where you know theres therewas, one game where you knowresearch, all I need to hit and my ten car deck is my Grat Catcher to move onand Yo. I miss it right so e hard. I draw seven. I miss that and thenanother game. This was this is actually the last game of the of the tournaments.So I was in the finals against Ta Mutto player and it was kind of a samesituation where I had about twenty cards in the deck I either needed tofind boss or a gray catcher, and I have an Orcoreo down, I'm playing APZ. Ihave a huge hand 'cause. I had just taken a knock out and they weren't ableto reset stamp me. So I had you know, maybe ten cards in hand after takingthis knock out, and I need to hit just a f like there are a number of waysthat I could have won the game. So I I orcorio and I could have. If I hid aquick ball, then I can just get a...

ZASHNV and I have the resources in handto power it up and take the knockout on the active, and so I I use ORCOREO NDand don't find as auction. Okay, that's that's not a big deal. I will play aDedeni down and try to look for the Grad, catcher and then or boss off the DDENE and and don't hitthat and then I have a research in hand. So, okay, Iresearch into an eleven card deck to try to hit the grey catcher and don'thit it. So I end up going through something like you know: Fifteen orsixteen cards out of my twenty card deck, just needing a few things andcertain orders and didn't quite get there. So that was really to me. You know it just left me withthat with that sweet taste of defeat following following the Players Cup,but Onotay Jon Oself for the the most part, was a notably sweet taste. Yes, I enjoyed myself for the most part. Icertainly was a little bit taxing in terms of not living up or well, not yeah, livingup to the expectations that I had sent for myself. So I opted to not stream mygames Um, because I was just feeling a ton of pressure and I I can't reallyquantify that Um, but other than that I mean it was itwas fin. I I really look forward to the opportunity to do it again. So if you could go back and changeanything about Y, how you went about your run, would you I don't think so? I feel like I playeddecks that had good matchops. I feel like I playeddecxs that I could try to either play a more consistent list than my opponentor try to outplay my opponent, and I think I did that most successfully withPekaram. I definitely had some games with Licario mail metal. Where I waslike yeah, you know I. I definitely made certain sequencing things thatwere better than my opponent and you know put them into awkward situations,and I felt good about that. But I wish that I had. Maybe, if there wasone regret, is that I would have sticked suck with Pegaram for theentire tournament just because there aren't as many hard losses. I ran intoa stretch in the early part of the Cup with Licario Mail metal, where I wasjust hitting into Um kind of a a crazy amount of fire deks, and they were justending my ending my rounds. You know first, bon first round, first Ron lostrersaround, losfersn Los, and that was a little bit frustrating so Um. I certainly wish that I'd maybe playedpeground for a little bit. You know earlier in the Players Cup yeah th, thefire decks were. Definitely you know something to be afraid of ortheriranarty all time, especially when Lecario mail medal was kind of. I wouldsay at it's at it's peak hype, which was probably about two or three weeksago, where I just come off of a couple of tournament, placemens and a couple of big tournament winds, andso you know maybe just factoring that in,but I still don't. I don't regret my deck choices. I justmaybe wish that yeah. I don't know thematches have been a little bit better. Well, it happens. It can happen to thegest of US F. Nevertheless, still a good job and forseverity and puttinginvestent for it, and who knows- maybe maybe the stars Willlie for you. Well,we we're kind of talking about what it actually means for players, Coupe Rep,because we were looking on the leader board and from what we understand. Theleaderboard is not as accurate as some might think. Yeah. I, ah I don't know what the deal with theleader woard. Is. I notice this when I was doing my Iran Um, I notice actually very early on becauseour friend, Michael Zeli had told us that he had noticed that he had acouple more points than he expected Um. So I was like that's weird, but Ialready kindo had this haunch, so I'm pretty sure the leaderboard's currentlyfactor an like ticket tournaments as well, so it's causing a pretty massiveski. In my opinion, you know it' it's hard to quantify,because we can't like selectively, look at the players Cot, but the more evenbeyond that there is also a really annowing factor and that the PlayersCup oesn't discreetly fit into any of the the leaderboard category S. So what I mean by that is on the leader board. You can seargh bya couple of different categories. You can search by Turnret rap standard forthis week this month and this season and like also t last week last won lastseason and what I thought was going to be the mostaccurate one. Was this season and that's what I was using when I wasclimbing, but then I noticed Um when I finished my run that I wasn't like onthe top of the leaderboard like that...

...does make sense, because I have what Ipresume to be one of the highest amount of points in North America. I I looked at Um, so I looked at this season and it turnsout. I only had the points I did on like the last Monday, and so ye h lastseason has everything in the players got basically up until last one day andthis season, it's like everything since then, and I just I- cannot wrap my headaround how they're organizing this presumably Pokmann has this data likethey are tracking it somehow wouldn't t at be funny if, like Tikee tournaments,were factored in or something and like yeah like it's just so absurd, and solike know, if you look at this month, which is kind of close, but you knowthere was a spr a period of time in September, when e could do the playersCo. So, like all my points are Factori in this month, but not every otherperson is, and so just it's absolutely crazy to me, actually that it can possibly be set up like this. It's what's going on. It's certainlyinteresting yeah. It's certainly an interesting thing and it makes ithardor his players. I mean it doesn't really change right, 'cause you're,trying to get as many points as possible so like knowing how manypoints you have doesn't really change all that much or at least it shouldn't,but at the same time it'd be nice to know kind of the goal that you'reshooting for Um. I mean man like if you haven't been tracking your own poyasdiscreetly, and you fell into multiple these buckets it getsreally annoying tofigure out how many you have yeah, that's true. It certainly can beanxiety inducing for those of us that yeah maybe didn't keepas good of track as others I mean I and it's you have to find yourself on theleaderboard too. Like I'm personally right in front of me, I am logged intoVokimon DOTCOM and I cansee myself on this month at number four on the LADERboard, but above that it says you haven't, earned any tournament ret fromthe stanard form at matches. Yet this month, sire, that's just objectivelyuntrue right there. I can see it right right, Yeahso, it's funny! Well, we'llsee how it all shakes out. I mean again, you said presumably Pokman has all thisdata and all this information and Andsa do it's. Maybe you K, ow. The websitewasn't set up in a way to accommodate, for you know the playerscup too, forwhatever reason that would be, but in any case just just know thateveryone that says a point threshold is purely based on speculation, yeah ifYoure AC. So I think the ultite point of all this is, I think everyonelistening is responsible enough to like track. Their own points have a sense oflike what they have, but I don't think you can use. Theleaderboards is a source of truth for what the threshold will be. You couldprobably use it for like overall sthrends if your like yeah Yo, knowwe're seeing something in the eighties right now. Um. If you look at thismonth, but you know it: it's not conclusive as anfactor and everything and it might be including points from regulartournaments as well Um, so Um, I would say to shoot for the bestthat you can try and get overninety if you're really trying to I mean it'slike. I said a couple of weeks ago: I was very wishyalse about it, but I saidtry and get over ninety if you really want to guarantee that you make it- andI still stand by that- I think if you, if you really are trying to get inthere, ninety hundred you'll be much safer at that threstol sure so forplayers that do get to that thresholder thinking, you know, maybe ninety Um,maybe even mid nineties. What should you expect in the second stage of thePlayers Cup Yeah? So the second stage of the Players Cupis a little interesting. You know you have t e the double elimination formatthat cuts to a top four per region to move on to the finals, and so, when I think of a tournamentstructured in that way, I think for sure you're going to have to play adeck that is very consistent and doesn't take a lot of hard losses because your losses are really going todefine your run more than more than your wins. And so- and I guess youcould say that boulike any Swiss tournament, but this is like a littledifferent in that, if you take a second loss, you're completely out of thetournament outright, where you can always go saven and two and a Swissevant and Tapca into topthirty, zo or whatever, and so the point of all. That being, is hecan't afford to take a lot of part losses? So you gotta be looking pretty carefully at the kindsof decks that you're looking at so wos leucardial malmetal might be a gooddeck in a vacuum if there seems to be firetype decks, even Ki, even a smallpercentage of them Ata you're casially,...

...risking your entire player Scup, I'mnot playing any of them. Agraanty the car O Mebo gets some newtools which helps it deal of fire docks and R. The coming weeks with dividboltage hith, just the kind of things that you have to think about and- andyou know the car amountal doesn't have to be the hard stof example. There sure sejust the point being that Um. Youknow, if you look at this current format. Maybe you don't take somethingas tolarizing. You know you maybe don't take somethinglike in this current format. Lucario Mall Medal Yeah obviously wereextrapolating this into a new format, but maybe something that just has alittle bit more of a general positive matchopb Ri red like if it was playedin this format I mean. Obviously this is coming from he place to Bius, but Ithink pikaron would be like a pretty solid choice because it had a reallygood matshup spread, doesn't really take any hard losses andeven its toughest match. UPS IY can find ways to crawl out of whereas ixact like there's a lot ofSenti scorches that just roame in the depths of the format and are ready tolike each you alive. So that being said, one thing to also think about is, ifyou're, if you think your hard losses are generally bad poor, badly poised inthe Meta, if you could stay in winter's bracket for a while, you probably won'tsee them for a while Um. So, like you know continuing thismetaphor, I don't think cent. SCORC is a very good day if you were playing the Caro memotaland managed to go like three to four rous that seeing a centy Scorch, Ithink you're odds of seeing a CENTI scorce at all go down drastically. So it's not it's not a hard and vastrule um, but it's something to think about sure. Absolutely so I don't know if you had any otherlike thoughts just about tha neances, like the format of it yeah. No, I meanultimately your it's a crapshoot 'cause. You only get two losses, so I reallyjust don't, have a lot of wiggae room and not to say it's going to be theluckiest player, but since lucky is a signif factor in the POGAMA tradingcard game you're definitely going to need it to be one of those. Last four LI mean I mean coding to four from twone hundred and fifnty. Six Um isinherently there's J, St, like a lot of variation that goes into that so Yi I'd, say at the end of the day, likewe'd, say for any tournament play the deck. That makes sense for you and playyour heart out, and you can't be disappointed, I think getting to theplayerscup at all. You know it shows a lot it eacity. It shows a lot ofstrength in the game itself, so I' Ben Happy that, like Youv got there in thefirst place and a just like we said about the Players Cup qualfiers liketake every step of the way as sort of a learning experience absolutely so wealso wanted to touch on Um on vivid bultage of it. I don't know ifyou want to do that before or after or cart of the week sure we can do itbefore. Okay, so for the unaware, the Players Cup toowill be including the vivid voltage set, which will certainly be shakingsomethings in the Mettar JW. What are your most high level preliminarythoughts about how the evoltage is panning out and Howaxmeta Yeah? I meanyou look at the one well, progmin generally spoon feeds certainarchetypes, so you know alternatives. Some would argue. You know eigd P, withThesauhian they're, just going to give you these very obvious energies and combos toencourage players to you know pick up the new deck, and so the biggest thingto look out for at least in preliminary Um. Preliminary kind of testing andpreliminary thoughts on the new format would have to be a colossal vmax andOssovenax having that first attack for one energy that always like kind ofpricks my ears up whenever I see a one energy attack that can do you know overa hundred damage, I'm pretty stoked about it. It's O eruption bomb. Fortydamage discard the top car of your deck. If that card, IESNAT energy, thisattactd us ninety more damage, then attached that energy to this Pokomon,so you're kind of building up to this second attack, which for four energy indo two hundred and forty damage pretty significant, but the first attackreally Nice Energy Excel, and you can also accelerate special energy cards.So how that kind of synorgizes? Is You get this nice cool little specialenergy that attaches on a colossal IAM blinking on the name at the moment, butit reduces damage by twenty yeah. I don't know if we have the English name,but it's stone. Energy Tsomething, like that sure sure, and so that isobviously a very, very good synergy. Vmax is having a massive amount of health already andthen you're getting an energy card that...

...you can accelerate that prevents damageso you're. Looking at you know on, I guess the second turn right after youcan ovolve your remacxs. You could potentially be staring down a you know,an attacker that does enough. You know one hundred and thirtydamage for one energy and then reduces damage by forty right if they attackwith the eruption bomb attach that stone energy and get another one offthe top, and that's just really scary, to talk about yeah soobviously like this syntergy is the air as well with the ARANGAROO card fromSentin Shield baseset to be able to stack cards on top of their deck andJapan. I think they're playing it a lot with pocargo and it's really taken theformat by a storm. Obviously we don't have bad option to us, but certainly there's plenty of ways toget a car on top of a deck, so m Y, and I would also look atRhodemphone Yeah Rodamphone, another great option when I think of colossalemacs Um. The first attack is definitely reallyappealing to me and I think, if you have an efficient attack like that on,a Mac is always worth looking at, especially one that's fighting type inthis format. So you know if we look at the darkness, blace Formaina vacuum,there's a lot of fighting weakness, spinning around within it Um, and so it's a it's a little difficult to sorry, it's a little difficult to likenot justify playing a colossal right so and plus one thirty's. Just like it's asweet threshold to hit that's like any any basic one. Prizor is going to be in that one thirtythreshold for the most part Y, and so that's awesome. It cleanly knocks outbeager arms. It wipes them off. I, with just a little bit of a damage boost itcan knock out right. You write you with a little bit more of a damage boost andobviously you can get that with the fighting Dojo. If you're behind you cango all the way up to knock out and aternitive. I mean, like the pressureis on for these, for these dark and lightning decks to really answer thethe call the format yeah, and luckily there is a soft counter to colossal inthe form of Um the weakness Gard, energy just beingable to particularly for atternatives being able the negate that weakness Umcan kind of sotand ther as as little bit of an answer. I think t lot betterinto atternitis for sure sureobviously Spea Ram, you know you're going to wantto be attaching your lightnings Um. I also look at the orbidle. Vmax is beinganother VENMAC. That has some potential. I don't quite know how it looks I meancolossal is pretty obvious right, 'cause, it's very a lineer in itsstrategy, but Um orbitle is the one where you put damage counters on yourpone at Spokman and that I think, could be a really really neat card that surely someone Um will find away to utilize yeah yeah. I mean you can't really deny likeeffihient cards like that, especially ones that spread the Endagd as wellyeah. You know, there's som cool stuff goingon. I think we also got TA quickly, at least mention the the coding metal energy, I think, iswhat it's called. It's basiton part as a metal energy, civicar El, gettingsome new tools m. You know people who already played the weakness guard and Ididn't like the weakness Gard because it didn't purvide a metal energy right.You know now you can more justifiably fit those kinds of things into yourdeck because it isn't so much of a problem to attach it to your austion, 'Sure. So I I think we're going to see a shift in the matter for sure I don'tthink it's going to be easy and I hate to ever write poper, I'm off, because I feel like any time you do it. Itrears his ugly head againnot that I've written Ot Pekrom recently that's Hartof a dw thing so, but I I think it's hard to write it offjust because it's it's perseveranceit's displayed, but it seems like now morethan ever it is a difficult time to be a lightning or had yeah. No doubt nodoubt- and I honestly, like the R Lcar amountal, potentially being morepopular with coding metal, isn't good for bigeron either Syeah. That is areally tough tough match up for Pou yeah, not unwindable, but very tough Um. Also Wan ta issue, a quick correction,linkon M, my one in Cha. I think I got the number of ones right. I clarifiedthat the Players Cup month is covered under the thismonth category, an and eteach C leaderboar. So That's interesting though, and that regulartourneys aret getting out Ra. So it is yeah and it is covered there. Theproblem is that when...

...there is discrepancy in that, becauseyou know like we said Michael Zily had a problem- I actually showed wentduring the first couple of weeks of the playerscup um extra rep, and so theywonder, I wonder if they'd just like fix it at some point. That could be thecase. Absolutely av You, like anct, where they lifed outlike Xtra or something I don't know. You know if they've got a good way todeal with it, then that's awesome for them. I wish there was more clarity tothe point where you wouldn't have to go to like a Fadoyou to figure that out,but sure, that's think having it. There isat least lso. Thank you to link my Momm, an Anin chat for their fecation. So I think it's time now rily for thecart of the week, absolutely give it to a should. Have you okay? Well, I havebeen looking over a lot of charzard cards. Did you know that there are over seventy different CHARSAR cards? I I honestly didn't we were talkingabout this kindo earlier today. Um, I don't know what chargesartstitifically you're looking at, but the fact that there's seventy justseems absurd to me. That seems like a lot. It is l E. I mean when you thinkthat there have only been what ninety odd sets ever printed like to have.Seventy charsards is just like unbelievable. In my opinion, right'cause. There are so many other characters that you know get less thanhandful of cards, an even in the original one finty one they're pogaathat, like barely have cards yeah right like I, I don't remember the lastkinglar card. That's that's a good point. I think youever think about it. I think there is one in Sortan sield face because Iremember I played I crabby, I think at a peiles. I can someaffact check me on that yeah.Maybe in any case I have been pouring over alot of charzards and this'll. This will make a lot of lotmore sense as to why, if you guys watch my you to video coming out later thisweek, but I it is a cart that I never had as a kidand they actually did a reprint of this for x and Y, but it is the x y Promo, two eighty that was releasedin Japan and this Promo is reminiscente of the of an earlier premo that was releasedin Japan, but it's the Kensuji Mori kind of Charzard, looking off into the distance very iconic, it's it's the artwork thatthey used for the initial packs and then put on a card, and I just findthis card to be very emblematic of just the original pokamont series. Tome this is the most nostalgic charzard cards. Some people like the the baseset Charzard, and certainlythat is that is iconic an its own right. But to me this Japanese Promo is whatreally kind of pulls on my Hart strings and makes mesay: Oh Yeah, you know this is what makes me fondly remember the game andfinally remember Charsart Yah. You always got the cool Japanese fromus totalk about this is this is really nice looking? Well, I just like the uniqueness of the Japanese promose. Idon't know what it is. Maybe it's like the Elus helissivity. I don't thinkthat's a word, but it's the kind of I I want what I can't have kind of thing:yeah, it's very cool, looking card and you'reright ut. Does it kicks up like this? This wave of Mistalgia is looking at it.Obviously, it's got like that. evolutions revamped, like old, cart,look to it but the art itself. I I never reallythought about the fact that art wasn't on a card before yeah yeah I mean it was. It was hard,that's so recognizable exactly that's kind of it. It's like it's somethingthat we all know, but we've. Never I don't know, we've never had it inAmerica for ourselves. You know in Um. You know it's always been somethingthat has been kind of elusive. That's never! I've never seen a card like thisM in person I mean not that it's likeparticularly expensive, but just the fact that Um you I I would love to getmy hands on one of these things because they just to me symbolize everythingthat was great about. You know the late nineties and pokeman yeah, and it's a it's definitely supersuet. I and youknow you talked about wanting the dioxis, the other weekand low. Beholdit the Oxis, showed up at your doorstep. So No, I think now is probanot the time tobe buying charzards yeah. I was saying...

...yeah, probably not a good time forbuyers, the charshardmarketplace yeah yeah,probably not, they have been going up an absurd amount. I maybe I talked onthe Stream about how I purchased like ten. This was like six years ago whenevolutions was first printed Um. I bought ten reverse hollow charzards and for five bucks each and I was like manam. I am I overpaying and I was like Na. You know these'll go up to like tendollars in five years. I have made fifty dollars profit, you know, and and now there is something absurd likesixty seventy dollars each and it's just eah ridiculous now did you alreadysell them for ten dollars? No, no! I still have them. I SAI'mtrying to figure out what to do like. Do I try to flood the market now or doI try to hold onto 'em for later? I don't know. I need to take a good lookat the backs too, because if they're gratable I might want to do that aswell. Yeah grading as the place to be for Sharsard right now. It's funny. I I don't know if you'vehad this experience, but I definitely have where you know. People know thatyou play Pokamons. They ask you about like selling your old card, that's likeat something that happens all the time or art libut I've gotten a huge wave ofpeople being like hey. Do you think you think I could sell my old collectionand I'm like I probably not like like? If this is something you had as akid, then probably not yeah? Well, first of all, 'cause you probablydidn't take care of them. Second Abou, you probably didn't have anything worthselling exact. It's always both of the points. I usually try to focus her onthe second point, but it's like I know you might havethought that you took a care of them, but, like maybe you just threw theminto like a crabpy binder that you got from like Walmart and like they're, allscratched up in there yeah yea absolutely Buti did have. I did have a friend thatmessaged me and asked me about their collection andthey had a shadowless Mutu. That was in pretty good condition. I was like okay,well, that you know there you go. You got some got a you know, probably acouple o hundred bucks depending you. Actually, you Wese sending me picturesthrough the phone, so I couldn't really see you know exact Um. You know whetherit was mince or not, but you know that that's Kinda cool when they actually dohave something I when they do have something at' cool. I find something:That's pretty fun, but when they're asking about like their machout fromwhat? No, no it's always the ACHAMP 'cause they're like this is firstedition. I don't know if you notice, there's a first edition stamp and thenfor those who you that don't know this there's a first edition, O Ma Champ andit's not worthless, but it's like five dollars and like significantly lessthan any other first sedition hollow because they gave him out as a promoback then so, like literally, everyone has one. They like printed us a ton,and so you know first edition of Champ reallyis kind of a mean in in collection circles. I mean, I think in general,like the AST people ask o like just you know, basically both guards- I meanthey're, not I they at kid, never tru. I don't think ever like ll Goe, all theway T O purbbut. You know you don't have like millions of dollars on youeither right sure sure, like I think they're expecting meto tell them that this world was worth fifty dollars now and it's like no misess Grirtleman, like everyone, has aScrell. Everyone's got a Squirdel, so it's ait's always stuff like that. It's IT'S FUN! It's fine, though, like I'm gladthat they're at least interested enough to look, and I'm sure you know you findhidden gems in the rough, so yeah, absolutely nice wellthank you to have you forsharing that. So let's talk about, then what the nextcouple of weeks are looking like in pokmine kind of Maph Ouch, how that'sgoing Um and give people as sensive what toexpect a little bit more for player Scop too Um, so laers Gep, two wrappingup. If you had to give your final recommendation on a deck to play inthis last couple of days of game play. What would you say? I would say you know what I honestlyhaven't seen too much fire, so we were kindof giving M Lucario Melmedal badrap, but I would say from my personal experience: It was a lot of Lecariomelmetal the start, and then I saw some firedecks kind of creep up and then youknow kind of lessening Lucario melmetals of potency. But then now Ifeel like it's. It's a perfectly fine...

...time to break out lecario Mel Model. Ithink a lot of the fire decks Av kind of succumbed to I've, seen a lot ofalternatives. I've seen a lot ot of atternitisslately yeah, yeahatternative seems to be kind of the deck on the rise from my perspective and so take take a match ofthere. R Take a deck that maybe has has an even the favorable atternis matchup.If you want to do well in the last week of playerscope yeah, it's been reallyinteresting. I think the thing that's been coolest to me about the playerscopis, you could see them met it change very dynamically Yep, as people arelike getting a better sense of what the trend is for a given week, youtypically will see people actually respond to that. So you know we saw alot of um ADP to start, and so you know peoplewere playing a lot of like those really fast and heart hitting decks, and theLukorm El Metal had a good match up against, like the attornists in H, adps,so pey that a lot fire came as a result of TAT. PKEROMS came out of nowhere andhad good matchaer. Everything and sopeople were playing a lot of that, but then the Carl Ewas, like a goodPegro, match up. So now it's and the firedox as a bad teger I match up so itseems like the Meto, is definitely primed for that any alternatives alsolike a logical response to Tekram for the most part Um true. So I think now Iwas thinking about this as well for sure is now as the perfect time forLeqaro ametal players to have their hatea Um. I think fires definitely are at a lowpoint right now. Obviously I'm not in the playerscup tournaments, but I playda lot of ladders since then. I don't know why I'm just Li keepining playagain I' poing on that's grace and I've noticed just eternativesseverywhere, pkramis everywhere, AD P is like ter, not everywhere, but it'sthere ter fire is just completely not existint right now. The girl Nevel for sure so taking that we carman model is ourthe Tateam deck of choice for the the remainder of the time and thequalifiers Adam, we talked about vivid voltage and how to impact them Ata. What would you actually play if givin like a a five second time tothink about it and the vivoltage metot invivitable, I mean it would probablybe trying to figure out how to make colossal work. I think that is just the it's just the too obvious to ignore card, and you know synergy if youcombine it with the stone energy of this next set, and so I really want todig deep into that and exploring how best to play that deck. I don't thinkI'm alone, I think that's you know it's just it's they're smacking you in thehead, with some of these Cambos and so Arun e Yeah for sure, I'm kind of in a similar boat, I'm veryinterested in colossal. I think it looks. I think it looks pretty fun toplay as well. I think always that Combo like discarding a card and ttaching itis very fun. I also think that Um, the Caromema is well Boisd in the nextwormat. Unless fire comes on the rise for whatever reason and it MiG, like Um degron being in a much tougher spot,gives fire a little more room to breathe Um. So I'm kind of waffling between H,colossal and the carrio sure t any other things that you think mightbe notable n H. Well, Comin me gets we get a new set up pokoman in the form ofSnorelax that I'm pretty excited about. I don't know its best application Um in terms of anattacking deck, but I certainly could see any stalbariants picking that cardup and just loving life. So snorlax has this ability that you can drow up toseven and then your turn ends when you use the ability. So it's kind of like atropical beach on a searchable pokemon that to me just seems really excitingand really interesting and I'm happy to Seean ability like that on a pokmont,that's really quite stellar. I agree that it's cool, but do you think thatSauhan is existence? Kind of makes it tough for smorlax to find a good nish? Maybe? But I think you also look at having toomany two prizes on your bench as something that you want to avoid ifyou're kind of a a stallor a control deck. So I could I mean I kindo see thereverse of that being like well Um you K ow. Maybe you want to play a Dedene,and so you usually don't want to have you know Zashan, Dedena and like Oracoreo orsomething on your bench, so maybe playing the snorlax will allow you tomix it up with the other two prizes that you play yeah I, the Tuprizer, isdefinitely a factor. I think the thing that I think of most is that lot a lotof times. These decks have large hand,...

...sizes atr the exception, I guess beinglike Post Marty. I think stoks. I guess I probably a better cart after you getMarneed, but otherwise Um Sachin seems like a better option.'cause ye I mean. Certainly only there are Maye play both just go hog, wildyeah. I just I I look at it as kind of a card that it just is interesting. I mean you canplay it on your first Ernd. You can use the ability on your first turn, justlike xaushian right, but perhaps there's some way for dex to incorporatethat. Because I mean it's clearly a very strong ability. It's just. How canyou best utilize it for sure yeah? It's definitely a strong ability not to notto rag on Sorelax at all in school. I like it when, when like fun, talk,Amou Lixor acks at a cool ability or something to go with them, Gen wanners celebrate yeah. Well, Isaid this before the thing I like about the TCG, its snx isn't the best example.This anox is actually a very good pokmon, but it gives pogaman a a chance to put other thingsin the spotlight, as opposed to the big most comment,most popular idids O. OH hello. I think your cameras froznOoh, okay greats. Yes, I was, I was having a little bit of of troublehearing, okay. Well, I I guess we got thatfigured out so Um. Nevertheless week we trodg on so onelast question I had for you. The speedround we have here is: Do you think there is going to be amajor change to expand it so Wen 's kind of alluded to the fact thatthey're going to be updating the expanded format in November here? Doyou think there's going to be a major shift? And if so, what do you think?That'll? Look like man, I really hope so Um I. I am really waiting for them to kindof be a little bit more inclusive.Certainly, there have been a lot of changes over the last six months M interms of what they do with events, and I I can understand why you knowfocusing on standard would be of the utmost importance, but I think when youlook at Pokaman one of the biggest changes that they have ever implementedin my entire time playing was the expanded format and I just don't wantto see them kind of leave it by the wayside here d. During the pandemic,you know they were doing a pretty good job when we still had events of makingsure that ther were standarderd and expanded tournaments happening. But now, with the pandamic, we reallyhaven't seen any expanded events. Aside from you know, the occasional kind ofgrass roots tournaments, and so I would love to see them not only update abandlist but announce a an event for expanded yeah and to be at almostsignals that they might be thinking about doing something. If they'reactually actively updating the list 'cause, they have no real incentive toupdate it until they have an event- and I guess I guess part of it- is that Um they don't have like an officialbandlest update period until February after this. So you know, I guess thiscovers their bases in case they can have reallize stuff, but I would loveto see some sort of online expanded and happinstance. Even if it's likesmall retivto, like players Cot, you know they don't need to pay out travelawards, but some sort of yeah and sed well, I yeah I mean, I think, it'd bean awesome time to just have something. Like a you know. I don't know many players copwhere it's like you could get some ingame march or something yeah on thecool. You know eating a certain number of avence or competing in a certainnumber of tournaments. I think that would be kind of an interesting avenuethat they could pursue. So do you have any strong feelings about what shouldbe changed and expanded? I think there are a few enablers Ireally just dislike. Drevenan Dusnor, just as a card. I think that ths likemolotic or interesting and could be used in different ways, although I'mcertainly more abusible, now that we have Pokamon v, which they were neverdesigned to go with IA, Cha to and yeah njx as well. Yes,of course, um, but I I think you know I mean obviouslythe culprits have to be shamean scubupne. Those are like kind of the biggest kind of problem cards ofthe expanded formants, so whether both of them need to go, I don't quite agree.I think probably just Shamin needs to go because scubupnad still has you know. Imean it's just a cool card that really hasn't had its chance to shine andexpanded. We haven't had an event, I...

...don't believe with SC Natslegal. I Icould be wrong on that. But Um my Godii as well that if Okman has tochoose between an older and a younger card, they're going to choose the olderone, the ban, yeah yeah, exactly exactly I mean, even though a Shameinisn't like super expensive to get your hands on, which is another reason thatthey might potentially look to band something Um. I I still yeah I. I would still like tosee, shame and Bandas supposed to superma. That's all I got I I don'tthink like if they banned scupup net and they banned Travenin Idusnor, Ithink I'd be pretty happy along with their current bands. I think I'd bepretty happy yeah, I think uh. You know the Trebnarcambo is prettytoxic, so I'd like to see it reduced in some capacity, I think sham in itselfis very problematic and is time has passed, and I said that for a while nowanythingscoop up Maas really just Calanto that so um we have much more healthy, betterbalanced, traw options, W ith, Crobat Inde Dene, and you can draw quite a fewcars in your turn with just those. So I don't really see it a reason to allow shaming to continue enable futureTode, gegeneracy, Ni, also kind of like to see Beech go just because it'scompletely inaccessible but um and I don't feel like strogay about it, I'mnot going to go to war for that one. What I would like to see go is Um lowlyspoking. All I think 'having pokidoll and Robosob isn't very healthy, like Idon't think you should be able to play more stuff Todo cars than you haveprices, sure so sure I I just don't think that's like greatgame design and obviously they weren't like really intended to be playedtogether. So I think o Onono, one of the dolls isprobably fine and I think nine ou of semle ayears wouldn't really mindanyway. Yep Yep, I'm not again, I'm not as married tothat one as I am to Shamein but Y. I think it would be a little healthier, yabsolutely cool, so I think we hit a a greatpointhier to jump into the open forim with chat. So if you have any thoughtsabout expanded or any other questions that you'd like us to address, justleave Hem in the chat, we'll answer the first couple that we see there and asalways, want to thank you all for your continued support and listenership. Ifyou're listening on, I tunes be sure to leave a rating in a review. It reallyhelps us out, gets US boosted further and further up in the ever elusivealgorithm wars, we're trying to overcome all thealgorithms that come oraway. You know we we were in the top two hundred game podcasts last week in America, I feel like wefloa in and out of the of like the top. Maybe it was tabletap that we were inthe top fur as well yeah that could be it. Iwe talked about Tcau e that only werein the n hundred in Games in the United States of America and top one hundredand fifty in games in New Zealand. There you go new zeyanders. Thank youthing so much. We love our Newaly breds. What what have you been enjoying themost on the ladter? You said you were playing a little bit of still playParou Ma its fun. I still play Viger Oyet. I know that's like so done thatI' e, just like only playe BP, yes, it's such a fun Dack, there's so muchnuance to it. But H. I, like mapping out my game playingevery single game and like changing one car in the deck at feeling is, istrastically different, I'm a legend Ot in a cocoa, I'm I'm a Goy yeah. I'vejust been really on the PCARONDRIND, and I know that's like it's Kindof lameto just play the same dag over over and over again, but it's just I mean I I I always tellpeople like that. A coach like there are a couple o different ways to goabout medagaming and and playing decks forevents and like one is, is, is kind of more my approach where I'm going to beswitching and I'm going to be changing things up and I'm going to be. You knowswitching architypes D and trying the new thing and um going back to oldthings and trying out different combinations that I just always like tochange, I'm all about the Chang and then there are other people that havereally good success, just sticking with one thing and just becomingunbelievably proficient at that one thing, and that has always been something thatI've been really curious about, because Um, certainly there are benefits in thesense that there isn't a lot of cost investment rightyou get to keep a lotof the same cards right, forher and then there's there's a lot of benefitin that you know just the match, ops in and out, so you don't have to rely onkind of how you feel a match up is...

...going to go. You know, you've been inthose situations before and I certainly you see a lot of players just doparticularly well just taking one archetype and learning it everything about it, yeah! No, Idefinitely think there's value in it and I mean my tournament: Win came offof grinding one deck and granted. It was obviously the best EC in the format,but you know grinding one deck to absolutely hellit back but right, youknow when I'm playing a latter, usually I like to mix it up just 'cause. I Ilike to play Mevdex, but I think this formattis ust kind of defined itself sowell that Yeah Pekeri'm just is something I always feel comfortableplaying and so I'm tring to play it. You have trople questions in Shat here:U One from Zodad G X: What's the best way to figure out what expanded that toplay modify a good standard list. There are some people who take that approachfor pretty much every exxanded event and they always generally have decentresults. I think to get the best results it expanded. You have to lookat it completely separate from standard. So certainly you can s standard toinform your opinions and how, but often times the best stecks aren'tgoing to be just standard exported over it's going to be an archetype that waslike tailor made to fit into the format Um just B'cause, there's so manydifferent siderations you have to make for both fourmonuths, so deast be really exceptionale toexceed him. It Shou truly exceed him. Both. You know, I'm thinking, like ores,like Thee, a work, work, th right right or exceed in the same way. You KnowYeare, certainly like ad p you're, never going to find in the expandedforma, an ADP list that plays metals and waters or maybe not never, butthat's just like very improbable. You know most likely you're going to seeATP lis that play the a double dragon, and so why is that? Well, that card isjust leagues better than how it's played in the standard for minute. SoYeah you can take certainly decks from standard and try to pourt them over toexpanded, but, like rayly is saying there are just so many combinations in the expandedformat that are just way too insanely good that you are really going to c likecompletely upend the best deks from the standard format, just because of thestandard, formance limited, Cardpool, exactly yeah, another question, an sortout as well. Fr Attorneys is better to go with a deck you're comfortable withplaying or wone. You think its good for the metow we've talked about this a lot.I think I think you got it kind of map out those two curves and find theintersection that makes the most sense so um, you know certain players feel more arelike more comfortable like switching on the fly. So if there's a deck thatyou're just generally comfortable with and you're, not comfortable with therest of the meadow, you know stick with that deck play the DACT that you'rebess, with but kind of way that against, like your comfort level, verses howgood it is poised overall yeah, so tha. I think the Oltha answer is the dermost comfortable with that fits within like Themeta top right now, the top ofTha Yeah Yeah. I mean it. Definitely is this kind of weird like spectrum, grafhritwit's, like a risker worker, right where you know you're trying to meet itat like the crossing point where you get the minimum risk, bith the maximumeward, Eah, yeah, sure exactly, and so what that means for. You is obviouslygoing to be different, but trying to identify where that is, and a lot ofthat comes from experience. You know I won'tlie and say that experience has never ben e factor, but, like I it's thingslike those like feel Um for choosing decks and knowing Amota game that theexperience comes into play for sure count. The money saying if you'reexpanded, CK isn't completely broken. You need to pick a new deck. THAT'SPRETTY MUCH! Absolutely true! You probably need to break the expectationsof the game in at least one way to go along with that. If your podcast isn'textremely broken, you need to pick a new one t you mean like broken in anoverpowered censor. I like Nota Yeayeah that broken yeah. No, no, not like notlike Nlistenlyeah, like more like just so good like you enjoy the host so muchthat you can't help but leave a five star review on whatever listeningplatform. You are currently Youn, especially if you live in Newfealand. Well, I think that's a perfect stoppingpoint for us. Thank you all so much for listening as always be sure to followus on twitter at Flexdar. Sorry, at Real John Walter and aunt smiles ofRiles, and also on twitch GW Pi Chennel is Fluxtati righteous and me right hereon monner. The next pogup online series is comingup soon as well, so be sure o register for that. If you haven't already and orlook in to get in some pokamon action,...

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