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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 8 · 1 year ago

3-8. A Coalossal Affair

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys have seen their Player's Cup run to its conclusion, and have some last minute reccomendations for the procrastinators out there. Be sure to check this out for some tips, tricks, and additional insight into the future of Pokemon TCG.

What's up everybody? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games from your podcasting duo. As always, I'm Riley Hulbert, joined by my good, good friend JW crew. All, JW, how's it going today? It's going pretty well, Riley. I'm feeling a little low energy. I don't know what it is. The rain and the darkness. It's been dark for pretty much the last two days. It's just overcast and just in flavened and darkness. Yeah, I don't know, and I've just been looking at a computer screen for like nine hours today. So I'm I'm feeling a little low energy. Yeah, I feel that I've a I've been really struggling with like allergies lately and, if all, I guess fall isn't really the most original time to have allergies, but it's not on common either, and so it's been a huge pain and I felt awful. I actually just woke up from a nap, not a planned one. I just kind of was in my bed and all of a sudden I was in my bed and it was later. Yeah, right, you know, that's that's got to day I'm having. That's right. It's also it's been rainy over here too? Not, I don't think as but I think Ohio has had some like really turbulent kind of weather right or it's changed a lot in the last couple days. Yep, we haven't had it that bad. In Minnesota was snowing the other day. That's wild. Yeah, I was snowing in the upper peninsula as well and it's like that's not okay, man, it's too early. I do enjoy good snow. Really, I don't know, I'm kind of over so I like it, man, I like it's a nice change of pace from the day to day. I kind of like the cool weather, like I like running a jacket, having a sweater, jeans and all that. I like that. But yeah, Snow it's just kind of painful sometimes, for sure. But you know, it's rainy here still, so everything. Yeah, everything's good, I think. Then let's just jump right into it. No need to stick to gloom and doom, though. So players, wellcome it's it is still gloom and doom for one of us, but it's still a little bit of gloom and doom, but not all the way. So Player's Cup is wrapping up. This is the last full week of Gameplay that we have here and, you know, we're starting to get a good sense of where things are falling. How many players are actually like doing this thing, how many points you can expect to need, all that kind of fun business. And so we talked a lot about my run last week. A lot of Peka Ram, a lot of Lucar on my metal JW. We didn't have a great chance to talk about your run, which is now completed. So why don't you give us the quick lowdown on how that's gone since we last checked in? Sure, so, I am more than likely and not going to make the second stage of the players to WHO Players Cup too. I ended the run with seventy eight points, which is, you know, significantly below where I was aiming to hit. You know, I was hoping to get somewhere in the in the s hundreds or, you know, I was hoping to get two hundred and fifty, but obviously I didn't quite get there. So I played a majority of the tournaments. I would say twenty five. It was like thirty with Peak Ram and then I played ten with Lucario Mel metal and about, you know whatever. The rest. Fifteen would yeah, fifteen with ATP Zoshin and I had the most success with peak ram and it was, you know, it was a deck that I got maybe fifty, forty or fifty points from. Lucario Mel Metal also did pretty well, and then at Pez was just not hitting. I think I had a couple of games towards the end of the run that really just kind of exemplified the whole run. Not to not to place the whole thing on bad luck by any means, but there was just like a couple of games where, you know, there's there's one game where research all I need to hit in my ten card deck is my great catcher to move on, and you know, I miss it. Right. So ten cards, I draw seven. I missed that. And then another game, this was this is actually the last game of the of the tournament. So I was in the finals against them Youtube player, and it was kind of a same sits situation where I had about twenty cards in the deck. I either needed to find boss or a great catcher, and I have an or Choreo down. I'm playing at pe Z. I have a huge hand because I had just taken a knockout and they weren't able to reset stamp me. So I had, you know, maybe ten cards in hand after taking this knock out and I need to hit just a feet like there are a number of ways that I could have won the game. So I or Choreo and I could have...

...if I hit a quick ball, then I can just get as option V and I have the resources and hand to power it up and take the knockout on the active. And so I use or Choreo and don't find his option. Okay, that's that's not a big deal. I will play at Adenne down and try to look for the great catcher and then or a boss off the Dedanne and don't hit that. And then I have a research in hand. So okay, I research into an e card deck to try to hit the great catcher and don't hit it. So I end up going through something like, you know, fifteen or sixteen cards out of my twenty card deck, just needing a few things in certain orders and didn't quite get there. So that was really to me. You know, it just left me with that, with that sweet taste of defeat. Following up, following the Players Cup, but notably should myself for the most part. What's up? A notably sweet taste. Yes, yeah, I enjoyed myself for the most part. It certainly was a little bit taxing in terms of not living up our, well, not, yeah, living up to the expectations that I had set for myself. So I opted to not stream my games because I was just feeling a ton of pressure and I can't really quantify that. But other than that, I mean it was it was fun. I really look forward to the opportunity to do it again. So, if you could go back and change anything about how you went about your run, would you? I don't think so. I feel like I played decks that had good matchups. I feel like I played dex that I could try to either play a more consistent list than my opponent or try to outplay my opponent, and I think I did that most successfully with peak rom. I definitely had some games with Lucario Mel metal where I was like yeah, you know, I definitely made certain sequencing things that were better than my opponent and, you know, put them into awkward situations and I felt good about that, but I wish that I had maybe, if there was one regret, is that I would have sticked stuck with peak around for the entire tournament, just because there aren't as many hard losses. I ran into a stretch in the early part of the Cup with Lucario Mel metal where I was just hitting into kind of a crazy amount of fire decks and they were just ending my ending my rounds, you know. Yeah, first one for stround, first round, lost first round, lost first round, last and that was a little bit frustrating. So I certainly wish that I maybe played a peak around for a little bit, you know, earlier in the Players Cup. Yeah, the fire decks were definitely something to be afraid of. For the LAKARRAM METAL I ran a fire it all the time as especially when Lucariomel metal was kind of, I would say, at its at its peak hype, which was probably about two or three weeks ago, where it just come off of a couple of tournament placements and a couple of big tournament wins, and so, you know, maybe just factoring that in, but I still don't I don't regret my deck choices. I just maybe wish that. Yeah, I don't know, the matchups have been a little bit better. Yeah, well, it happens. It can happen to the best of us, for sure. Nevertheless, still good job in persevering and putting a vessel for it and who knows, maybe maybe the stars a line for you. Well, we were kind of talking about what it actually means for Players Cup Rep because we were looking on the leaderboard and from what we understand, the leaderboard is not as accurate as some might think. Yeah, I don't know what the deal with the leaderboard is. I noticed this when I was doing my run. I notice actually very early on because our friend Michael Zeale had told us how he had noticed that he had a couple more points than he expect. I did. So I was like, that's weird, but I already kind of had this hunch. So I'm pretty sure the leader boards currently factor in like ticket tournaments as well. So it's causing a pretty massive skew and my opinion, you know, it's hard to quantify because we can't like selectively look at the Players Cup. But the more even beyond that, there's also a really annoying factor in that the Players Cup doesn't discreetly fit into any of the leaderboard categories. So what I mean by that is on the leaderboard you can search by a couple different categories. You can search by Turner. It wrap in standard for this week, this month and this season and like also last week lass one last season and what I thought was going to be the most accurate one was this season, and that's what I was using when I was climbing. But then I noticed when I finished my run that I wasn't like on the top of the leaderboard.

I like, that doesn't make sense because I have what I presume to be one of the highest amount of points in North America. Just so I looked at so I looked at this season and it turns out I only had the points I did on like the last Monday. And so, yeah, last season has everything in the Players Cup basically up until last Monday, and this season is like everything since then. And I just I cannot wrap my head around how they're organizing this. Presumably POKEMON has this data, like they are tracking it somehow. Yeah, I wouldn't be funny if, like, take a tournaments were factored in there something and like yeah, like it's just so absurd. And so, like you know, if you look at this month, which is kind of close, but you know, there was a spirit, a period of time in September when we could do the Players Cup. It's like all my points are factored in this month, but not every other person's is, and so just it's absolutely crazy to me actually that it can possibly be set up like this. It's like, what's going on? It's certainly interesting. Yeah, it's certainly an interesting thing and it makes it harder as players. I mean, it doesn't really change right, because you're trying to get as many points as possible. So, like, knowing how many points you have doesn't really change all that much, or at least it shouldn't. But at the same time it'd be nice to know kind of the goal that you're shooting for. I mean even that, like, if you haven't been tracking your own points discreetly and you fell into multiple of these buckets, it gets really annoying to figure out how many you have. Yeah, it's true. It certainly can be anxiety inducing for those of us that, yeah, maybe you didn't keep as good of track as others, I mean I and it's like yet to find yourself on the leaderboard to like I'm personally right in front of me, I am logged into Pokemoncom and I can see myself on this month at number for on the leaderboard. But above that, it says you haven't earned any tournament rep from the steard format matches yet this month. Short, that's just subjectively untrue. Right there, I can see it right right. Yeah, so it's funny. Well, we'll see how it all shrinks out. I mean again, you said presumably Pokemon has all this data and all this information and and I'm sure they do. It it's maybe, you know, the website wasn't set up in a way to accommodate for, you know, the players come too, for whatever reason that would be. But in any case, just just know that everyone that says a point threshold is purely based on speculation. Yeah, if you're out. So I think the ultimate point of all this is I think everyone listening is responsible enough to like track their own points and have a sense of like what they have. But I don't think you can use the leaderboards as a source of truth for what the threshold will be. You can probably use it for like overall trends and be like, yeah, you know, we're seeing something in the s right now if you look at this month. But you know it does it's not conclusive as in factor and everything, and it might be including points from regular tournaments as well. So I would say just shoot for the best, that you can try and get over ninety if you're really trying to. I mean it's like I said a couple weeks ago. I was very wish you ashy about it, but I said try and get over ninety if you really want to guarantee that you make it, and I still stand by that. I think if you if you really are trying to get in there, ninety a hundred, you'll be much safer at that threshold. Sure. So for players that do get to that threshold, were thinking, you know, maybe ninety, maybe even mid s. What should you expect in the second stage of the Players Cup? Yeah, so the second stage of the player's cup is a little interesting. You know, you have the the double elimination format that cuts to a top for per region to move on to the finals. And so when I think of a tournament structured in that way, I think for sure you're going to have to play a deck that it's very consistent and doesn't take a lot of hard losses, because your losses are really going to define your run more than more than your wins and so and I guess you could say that about like any Swiss tournament, but this is like a little different and that if you take a second loss you're completely out of the tournament out right, where you can always go seven in two and a Swiss event and top cut into top thirty two or whatever. And so all the point of all that being is you can't afford to take a lot of heart losses. So you got to be looking pretty carefully at the kinds of deck that you're looking at. So where's Lucar Ele mel metal might be a good deck in a vacuum. If there seems to be fire type decks even kind of, even a small percentage of the Meta, you're basically risking your entire Players Cup on not playing any of them. And granted, the car...

...on my metal get some new tools which helps it deal with fire decks and right the coming weeks with vivid voltage. But it's just the kind of things that you have to think about. And and you know the car metal is not to be the hardstop example. They're sure, sure. Just the point being that, you know, if you look at this current format, maybe you don't take something as polarizing. You know, you maybe don't take something like in this current format, a Lucario Mel Metal? Yeah, obviously we're extrapolating this into a new format, but maybe something that just has a little bit more of a general positive matchup sight read like if it was played in this format. I mean, obviously this is coming from a place of bias, but I think p Kram would be like a pretty solid choice because it has a really good matchup spread, doesn't really take any hard losses and even its toughest matchups it can find ways to crawl out of. Yeah, why is it act like we CARLM metal? There's a lot of Senti scorches that just rom in the depths of the format and are ready to like eat you alive. So, that being said, one thing to also think about is if you're if you think you're hard losses are generally bad put badly poised in the Meta. If you can stay in winners bracket for a while, you probably won't see them for a while. So, like you know, continuing this metaphor, I don't think Seti scorch is a very good day. If you're playing La Caro memtal and managed to go like three to four rounds, that seeing a set scorch. I think your odds of seeing a sent he scorch at all go down drastically. So it's not it's not a hard and fast rule, but it's something to think about, sure, absolutely. So. I don't know if you had any other like thoughts to just about that. Nuances of the like the format of it. Yeah, no, I mean it ultimately you're it's a crap shoot because you only get two losses. So you really just don't have a lot of wiggle room. And not to say it's going to be the luckiest player, but since the lucky is a significant factor in the POKEMON trading card game, you're definitely going to need it to be one of those last four. Yeah, well, I mean I mean cutting the for from tune or fifty six is inherently there's like a lot of variation that goes into that. So I'd say at the end of the day, like we'd say for any tournament, play the deck that makes sense for you and play your heart out and you can't be disappointed. I think getting to the players cuff at all. You know, it shows a lot of tenacity, it shows a lot of strength in the game itself. So be a happy that, like you got there in the first place and and just like we said about the Players Cup qualifiers, like take every step of the way as sort of a learning experience. Absolutely so. We also wanted to touch on on vivid voltage of it. I don't know if you want to do that before after our card of the week. Sure we can do it before. Okay. So, for the unaware, the players, Cup two will be including the vivid voltage set, which will certainly be shaking some things up in the Meta. JW. What are your most high level preliminary thoughts about how vivid voltage is panning out and how to attack the Meta? Yeah, I mean you look at the one. Well, pokemon generally spoon feeds certain archetypes. So yeah, you know, a turn it is. Some would argue, you know, ATP with this option, they're just going to give you these very obvious synergies and combos to encourage players to, you know, pick up the new deck. And so the biggest thing to look out for, at least in preliminary, preliminary kind of testing and preliminary thoughts on the new format, would have to be colossal vmas and colossal vmax. Having that first attack for one energy. That always like kind of pricks my ears up whenever I see a one energy attack that can do, you know, over a hundred damage. I'm pretty stoked about it. And so eruption bomb forty damage. Discard the top card of your deck. If that card is an energy, this attack does ninety more damage. Then attach that energy to this pokemon. So your kind of building up to the second attack, which, for for energy, can do two hundred and forty damage. Pretty significant. But the first attack really Nice Energy Excel and you can also accelerate special energy cards. So how that kind of synergizes is you get this nice, cool little special energy that attaches on a colossal I'm blinking on the name at the moment, but it reduces damage by twenty. Yeah, I don't know if we have the English name, but it's stone energy. So you thinking of something like that? Sure, sure. And so that is obviously a very, very good synergy. v Max is having a massive amount of health already and then you're getting an energy card that you can accelerate that prevents...

...damage. So you're looking at you know, on I guess, the second turn, right after you can evolve in remax. You could potentially be staring down a you know, an attacker that does enough, you know, one hundred thirty damage for one energy and then reduces damage by forty, right, if they attack with the eruption bomb, attach that stone energy and get another one off the top, and that's just really scary to think about. Yeah, so obviously, like the synergy is there as well with the Aranguru Card from certain shield base out to be able to stack cards on top of their deck in Japan. I think they're playing it a lot with my cargo and it's really taken the format by a storm. Obviously we don't have that option to us, but certainly there's plenty of ways to get a card on top of AD. So yeah, and I would also look at Rodom phone. Yeah, rodem phone another great option. When I think of colossal vmax, the first attack is definitely really appealing to me and I think if you have an efficient attack like that on a vmax is always worth looking at, especially one that's fighting type in this format. So you know, if we look at the darkness a blaze format in a vacuum, there's a lot of fighting weakness spinning around within it, and so it's a it's a little difficult to sorry, it's a little difficult to like not justify playing at colossal right. So sure, and P thirty s just like it's a sweet threshold to hit. That's like any any basic one prizer is going to be in that one, dred and thirty threshold for the most part. Yeah, and so that's awesome. It cleanly knocks out pegrams. It wipes them off it with just a little bit of a damage boost. It can knock out right you, right, you, with a little bit more of a damage boost and obviously you can get that with the fighting Dojo. If you're behind, you can get all the way up to knock out and a turn. It is I mean like the pressure is on for these for these dark and lightning decks to really answer the the call the format. Yeah, and luckily there is a soft counter to colossal soul in the form of, yeah, the weakness card, energy just being able to particularly for it turn it is being able to negate that weakness can kind of slot in there as a little bit of an answer. I think it's lots better into a turn it as for sure. Sure, obviously speak Rom you know you're going to want to be attaching your lightnings. I also look at the or beetle vmax is being another vmax that has some potential. I don't quite know how it looks. I mean colossal is pretty obvious, right, because it's very linear in its strategy, but or beetle is the one where you put damage counters on your opponents Pokemon, and that I think could be a really, really neat card that surely someone will find a way to utilize. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you can't really deny like efficient card like that, especially once that's spread damage as well. Yeah, you know, there's some cool stuff going on. I think we also got to quickly at least mentioned the coding. Metal Energy, I think, is what it's called. It's basically being a card as a metal energy sail the car. I'm metal getting some new tools. Chum. You know people who already played the weakness card, and I didn't like the weakness card because it didn't provide a metal energy right. You know, now you can more justifiably fit those kinds of things into your deck because it isn't so much of a problem to attach it to yours option. Sure. So I think we're going to see a shift in the Meta. For sure. I don't think it's going to be easy and I hate to ever write peekerum off because I feel like anytime you do it it rears its ugly head again. Sure not that I've written not peeker on recently. That's one of a JW thing. So, but I think it's hard to write it off just because it's it's perseverance that is displayed. But it seems like now more than ever, it is a difficult time to be a lightning or at yeah, no doubt, no doubt, and I honestly like the right La car amount of well, potentially being more popular with coding metal isn't good for peaker on either. Right. So, yeah, that is a really tough, tough matchup for peak on. Yeah, not unwinnable, but very tough. Also want to issue a quick correction. Link one one, one one in chat. I think I got the number of ones right. Clarified that the Players Cup month is covered under the this month category in in a t STO leader boards. So That's interesting, though, and that regular turns aren't giving out rap. So it is yeah, and it is covered there. The problem is that when there is discrepancy in that because, you know, like...

...we said, Michael Zelie had a problem. I actually showed and went during the first couple of weeks of the player's cup extra rep and so they wonder if this did. I don't wonder if they just like fix it at some point. That could be the case. Absolutely okay. Maybe, like in October they want picked out like extraff or something. I don't know. You know, if they've got a good way to deal with it, then that's awesome for them. I wish there's more clarity and to the point where you wouldn't have to go to like a FAQ to figure that out, but sure, that's I think having it there is at least valuable. So thank you to link one aloan one in chat for their clarification. So I think it's time now, Riley, for the card of the week. Absolutely give it to a shit out of you. Okay. Well, I have been looking over a lot of charszard cards. Riley. Did you know that there are over seventy different CHARSARD cards? I I honestly didn't. I we were talking about this kind of earlier today. I don't know what chars are specifically. You're looking at. But the fact that there's seventy two seems absurd to me. That seems like a lot. It is a lot, yeah, I mean when you think that there have only been what ninety odd sets ever printed, like to have seventy chars ards is just like unbelievable. I in my opinion right, because there are so many other characters that, you know, get less than a handful of cards. I mean even in the original one hundred and fifty one they're pokmon. That like Barey of cards. Yeah, right, like I don't remember the last King Ler card. That's that's a good point. I think there is about it. I think there is one in sword and shield face set because I remember I played a crabby I think, at a for really is it's so a fact check me on that. Yeah, maybe. In any case, I have been pouring over a lot of chars ards and this will this will make a lot of a lot more sense as to why if you guys watch my youtube video coming out later this week. But I is a card that I never had as a kid and they actually did a reprint of this for x and Y, but it is the XY Promo two hundred and eighty that was released in Japan and this Promo is reminiscent of the of an earlier promo that was released in Japan, but it's the Ken Sujimori kind of charzard looking off into the distance, very iconic. It's the art work that they used for the initial packs and then put on a card and I just find this card to be very emblematic of just the original pokemon series. To me, this is the most nostalgic charizard cards. Some people like the the base set Charz Ard, and certainly that is that is iconic in its own right, but to me this Japanese Promo is what really kind of pulls on my heart strings and makes me say, Oh yeah, you know, this is what makes me fondly remember the game and finally remember chars are. Yeah, you always got the cool Japanese from us to talk about. This is this is really nice slogan. Well, I just like the uniqueness of the Japanese promos. I don't know what it is it maybe it's like the Alus elusivity. I don't think that's a word, but it's the kind of I want what I can't have kind of thing. Yeah, that's a very cool looking card, and you're right, that does. It kicks up like this, this wave of nostalgicous looking at it, obviously it's got like that evolutions, revamped like old card look to it. But yeah, the art itself, I never really thought about the fact that art wasn't on a card before. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was are. That's so recognizable. Exactly. That's kind of it. It's like it's something that we all know, but we've never I don't know, we've never had it in America for ourselves, you know, or in yeah, we know, it's always been something that has been kind of elusive. That's never I've never seen a card like this in person. I mean not that it's like particularly expensive, but just the fact that, yeah, I would love to get my hands on one of these things because they just to me, symbolize everything that was great about, you know, the late s and Pokemon. Yeah, and it's it's definitely super sweet. You I and you know you talked about wanting the dioxys the other week and love you hold at the oxes showed up at your doorsteps. So who knows? I think now is probably not the time to be buying Charz ards. Yeah, saying,...

...yeah, I'm probably not a good time for buyers in the chars hard market place. Yeah, yeah, probably not. They have been going up in absurd amount. I maybe I talked down the stream about how I purchased like ten. This was like six years ago in evolutions was first printed. I had bought ten reverse hollow chars ards and for five bucks each, and I was like man, am I, am I overpaying? And I was like Nah, you know, these will go up to like ten dollars and five years I have made fifty profit, you know. And and now there is something absurd like sixty, seventy dollars each, and it's just, yeah, ridiculous. Now, did you already sell them for ten dollars? No, no, I still have them. I'm sad. I'm trying to figure out what to do, like do I try to flood the market now, or do I try to hold onto him for later? I don't know. I need to take a good look at the backs to because if they're greatable, I might want to do that as well. Yeah, grading is the place to be for Chariz ARD right now. It's funny. I I don't know if he've had this experience, but I definitely have have where, you know, people know that you play pokemons. They ask you about like selling their old cards, and that's like that's something that happens all the time regardless. Yeah, but I've gotten a huge way of people being like Hey, do you think you think I could sell my old collection, and I'm like I probably not, like like if this is something you had as a kid, then probably not. Yeah, well, first of all because you probably didn't take care of them, stuck in about, you probably didn't have anything, or selling. I'm exactly. It's always both of the points. I usually try to focus on the second point, but it's like, I know you might have thought that you took it care of them, but like maybe you just threw them into like a crappy behinder that you got from like Walmart, and like they're all scratched up in there and yeah, you absolutely like I did have. I did have a friend that messaged me and asked me about their collection and they had a shadowless mewtwo that was in pretty good condition. I was like, okay, well, that you know. There you go. You got some got a you know, probably a couple hundred bucks, depending. Yeah, obviously you're sending me pictures through the phone, so I couldn't really see you know, exact you know, whether it's mints or not, but you know that that's kind of cool. When they actually do have something, it is the one. They do have something. That's cool to find, something that's pretty fun. But when they're asking about like their matchop from. What is it now, I know it's always them a champ, because they're like, this is first edition. I don't know if you notice, there's a first edition stamp and then, for those of you that don't know this, there's a first edition from a champ and it's not worthless, but it's like five dollars and like significantly less than any other first edition hollow because they gave them out as a promo back then. So like literally everyone has one. They like printed us a ton and so you know, first edition of a champ really is. Is kind of a meme in in collection circles. I mean, I think in general, like the last people ask about like just, you know, basically bolt guards. I mean they're not face that. I could never truly I don't think. Ever, like I'll goes all the way to pure bulk but you know, if you don't have like millions of dollars on you either. Right, sure, sure, like I think they're expecting me to tell them that the squirtle is worth fifty. Now it's like now, this is a girl man, like everyone at a squirrel. Everyone's got a squirrel. So there's all. It's always stuff like that. It's it's fun. It's fine, though, like I'm glad that they're at least interested enough to look. And sure, you know, you find hidden gems in the rough. Yeah, yeah, absolutely nice. Well, thank you, Jew for sharing that. So let's talk about, then, what the next couple weeks are looking like in Pokemon. Kind of map out how that's going and give people a sense of what to expect a little bit more for Players Cup to so players got too. Wrapping Up, if you had to give your final recommendation on a deck to play in this last couple days of Gameplay, what would you say? I would say, you know what, I honestly haven't seen too much fire. So we were kind of giving Lucario Mel metal bad rap, but I would say from my personal experience it was a lot of Lucario mel metal to start and then I saw some fire decks kind of creep up and then, you know, kind of lessening Lucario me metals potency. But then now I feel like it's a perfectly...

...fine time to break out lucario Mel metal. I think a lot of the fire decks of a kind of succumbed to I've seen a lot of a turnitis. I've seen a lot of people out of a turn of this lately. Yeah, yeah, it turn. It is seems to be kind of the deck on the rise from my perspective, and so take take a match up there or take a deck that maybe has a has an even to favorable attorney this matchup. If you want to do well in the last week of players Cope. Yeah, it's been really interesting. I think the thing that's been coolest to me about the player's cupies. You could see them Meta change very dynamically. Yeah, as people are like getting a better sense of what the trend is for a given week, you typically will see people actually respond to that. So, you know, we saw a lot of ATP to start and so you know, people were playing a lot of like those really fast and hard hitting decks and luke arm metal had a good matchup against like the attorneists and the ATPS. So please play that a lot. Fire came as a result of that. Peak Roms came out of nowhere and had good matches. was everything, and so people were playing a lot of that. But then Lukara metal was like a good peak ram matchup. So now it's the and the fired dexs of a bad peak on matchup. So it seems like the Meta is definitely primed for that. And you know, turn it is also like a logical response to Te Kurram for the most part. Sure, so, I think now. I was thinking about this as well. For sure is now is the perfect time for Lu car on my metal players to have their hey day. I think fires definitely are at a low point right now. Obviously I'm not in the Players Cup tournaments, but I play a lot of ladder since then. I don't know why. I'm just like a keep hitting play again on Pokemon. That's Great, and I've noticed just a turn. It is is everywhere. Peak drama is everywhere ATP is like they're not everywhere, but it's there. Sure fires just completely not existent right now. So sure the car metal for sure. So taking that we Kram model is our the tag team deck of choice for the remainder of the time. In the qualifiers we talked about vivid voltage and how to impact the Meta. What would you actually play the gift, given like a five second time to think about it and the vim voltage Meta in vividable? I mean it would probably be trying to figure out how to make colossal work. I think that is just the it's just the too obvious to ignore card and you know, synergy if you combine it with the stone energy of this next said, and so I really want to dig deep into that and exploring how best to play that deck. I don't think I'm alone. I think that's you know, it's just it's they're smacking you in the head with some of these combos and so players got to run with them. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'm kind of in a similar boat. I'm very interested in colossal. I think it looks I think it looks pretty fun to play as well. I think always that Combo of like discarding a card and attaching it is very fun. I also think that the car me metal as well poised in the next format, unless fire comes on the rise for whatever reason, and it might like peeker on being in a much tougher spot gives fire a little more room to breathe. So I'm kind of waffling between colossal and the Cario. Sure. Sure, any other things that you think might be notable in the well, the coming we get we get a new setup pokemon in the form of Snore lax that I'm pretty excited about. I don't know it's best application in terms of an attacking Dec but I certainly could see any stall variant picking that card up and just loving life. So snow relax has this ability that you can draw up to seven and then your turn ends when you use the ability. So it's kind of like a tropical beach on a searchable pokemon. That to me just seems really exciting and really interesting and I'm happy to see an ability like that on a pokemon. That's really quite stellar. I agree that it's cool, but do you think that sash in existence kind of makes it tough for snore relax to find a good niche? Maybe, but I think you also look at having too many two prizes on your bench as something that you want to avoid if you're kind of a stall or control deck. So I could I mean I kind of see the reverse of that being like well, you know, maybe you want to play at Dedenne and so you usually don't want to have, you know, Zoshen, dedenn A and like or Choreo or something on your bench. So maybe playing the snore relax will allow you to mix it up with the other two prizes that you play. Yeah, the two prizor is definitely a factor. I think the thing that I think of most is that a lot, a lot of times these decks have...

...large and sizes. Sure, the exception, I guess, being like Post Marty, I think strikes. I guess probably a better car after you get Marny, but otherwise it's sin seems like a better option because, yeah, I mean certainly, certainly there are maybe you play both just go hog while. Yeah, I just I look at it as kind of a card that just is interesting. I mean you can play it on your first turn, you can use the ability on your first turn, just like zostion, right, but perhaps there's some way for dex to incorporate that, because I mean it's clearly a very strong ability. It's just how can you best utilize it? For sure, yeah, it's definitely a strong ability and not to not to rag on snarlax at all. You know he's cool. I like it when when like fun pokemon like snarlas could a cool ability or something to go with them. Jen One ers celebrate. Yeah, well, I said this before. The thing I like about the TCG in snarrocks isn't the best example, is because Knox is actually a very good pokemon, but it gives pokemon a chance to put other things in the spotlight, as opposed to the big, most common, most popular dudes of I'Llo, and I think your cameras frozen and who. Okay, great, yes, I was. I was having a little bit of trouble hearing. Okay. Well, I guess we got that figured out. So, nevertheless, we trudge on. So one last question I had for you and this speed round we have here, is do you think there is going to be a major change to expand it? Pokmons kind of alluded to the fact that they're going to be updating the expanded format in November here. Do you think there's going to be a major shift and, if so, what do you think that'll look like? Man, I really hope so. I am really waiting for them to kind of be a little bit more inclusive. Certainly there have been a lot of changes over the last six months in terms of what they do with events and I can understand why, you know, focusing on standard would be of the utmost importance. But I think when you look at Pokemon, one of the biggest changes that they have ever implemented in my entire time playing was the expanded format and I just don't want to see them kind of leave it by the wayside here during the pandemic. You know, they're doing a pretty good job when we still had events, of making sure that there were standard and expanded tournaments happening. But now with the pandemic, we really haven't seen any expanded events aside from, you know, the occasional kind of grassroots tournaments, and so I would love to see them not only update a band list but announce an event for expanded yeah, and to be it almost signals that they might be thinking about doing something if they're actually actively updating the list, because they have no real incentive to update it until they have an event and I guess I guess part of it is that they don't have like an official bandlist update period until February after this. So, you know, I guess this covers their basis in case they can have real life stuff, but I would love to see some sort of online, expanded event. Happens dance and even if it's like small relatively to the like players cut. You know, they don't need to pay out travel awards, but I have some sort of yeah, and stent. Well, yeah, I mean I think I'd be an awesome time to just have something like a you know, I don't know many Players Cup where it's like you could get some in game march or something. Yeah, something cool and leading a certain number of advance or competing in a certain number of tournaments. I think that would be kind of an interesting avenue that they could pursue. So do you have any strong feelings about what should be changing expanded? I think there are a few enablers. I really just dislike trevn and dust snore just as a card, and I think that things like melodic are interesting and could be used in different ways, although certainly more abusable now that we have pokemonv, which they were never designed to go with. And I also do and yeah and GX's. Well, yes, of course, of course, but I think you know. I mean obviously the culprits have to be shame and scoop up net. Those are like kind of of the biggest kind of problem cards of the expanded format. So whether both of them need to go, I don't quite agree. I think probably just Shaman needs to go. Yeah, because scoopupnet still has you know. I mean it's just a cool card that really hasn't had its chance to shine and expand and we haven't had an event. I don't believe with scoopupnets will legal. I could...

...be wrong on that, but my gut feel is as well that if polkmon has to choose between older and younger car they're going to choose the older one. To band. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. I mean, even though Shaman isn't like super expensive to get your hands on, which is another reason that they might potentially look to band something, I still yeah, I would still like to see Shaman band a supposed to scoop net. Yeah, that's all I got. I don't think like if they banned SCOOPUP neet and they banned trevor and dust more, I think I'd be pretty happy, along with their current bands. I think I'd be pretty happy. Yeah, I think you know the Trevorn our Combo is pretty toxic, so I'd like to see it reduced in some capacity. I think Shamin itself is very problematic and as time is passed, and I've said that for a while now, and I think scoop up that is really just called many to that. So we have much more healthy, better balanced draw options with Crobat and the Denne and you could draw quite a few cars in your turn with just those. So I don't really see it a reason to allow shaming to continue in able future to Dena to denneracy. I also would kind of like to see beach go just because it's completely inaccessible. But and I don't feel like strongly about it, I'm not going to go to war for that one. What I would like to see go is Lily's pokey doll. I think having poke all and Robo sub isn't very healthy. Like I don't think you should be able to play more stuffs do cards than you have prices. Sure, so, sure. I just don't think that's like great game design. And obviously they weren't like really intended to be played together. So I think running down to one of the dolls' is probably fine, and I think nine out of them players wouldn't really mind anyway. Yep, Yep, I'm not again, I'm not as married to that one as I am to Shamin, but Yep, I think it would be a little healthier. Yeah, absolutely cool. So I think we've hit a great point here to jump into the open forum with chat. So if you have any thoughts about expanded or any other questions that you'd like us to address, just leave him in the chat. Will answer the first couple that we see there and, as always, want to thank you all for your continued support and listenership. If you're listening on Itunes, be sure to leave a rating in a review. It really helps us out. It gets US boocid further and further up into ever lusive algorithm wars or trying to overcome all the algorithms that come our way. You know, we were in the top two hundred game podcasts last week in America. I feel like we float in and out of the of like the top. Maybe it was a tabletop that we were in the top for as well. Yeah, that could be it. I forge we talked about this one. We were in the top two hundred in Games in the United States of America and top one hundred and fifty in games in New Zealand. There you go, New Zealanders. Thank you. Thank you so much. We love our news really. Friends, what what have you been enjoying the most on the ladder? You said you were playing a little bit of I'm still playing paying my own. It's fun. I'm still playing viger and I know that's like so dumb that I'm just like only played. Yes, it's such a fun deck at there's so much nuance to it that I like mapping out my game play and every single game and like changing one card in the deck. I feel like it's just drastically different. I'm a legend, put in a cocoa. I'm I'M A guy. Yeah, so I've just been really on the peak around grind and I know that's like it's kind of lame to just play the same deck over and over and over again, but it's just I mean, I'm I always tell people like that. I coach, like there are a couple different ways to go about you metagaming and playing decks for events, and like one is is kind of more my approach, where I'm going to be switching and I'm going to be changing things up and I'm going to be, you know, switching archetypes and trying the new thing and going back to old things and trying out different combinations than I just always like to change. I'm all about to change. And then there are other people that have really good success just sticking with one thing and just becoming unbelievably proficient at that one thing, and that is always been something that I've been really curious about because certainly there are benefits in the sense that there isn't a lot of cost investment right, you get to keep a lot of the same cards, right, for sure, and then there's there's a lot of benefit in that you know just the matchups in and out, so you don't have to rely on kind of how...

...you feel a matchup is going to go. You know, you've been in those situations before and I've certainly you see a lot of players just do particularly well just taking one archetype and learning it everything about it. Yeah, now I definitely think there's value in it, and I mean my tournament win came off of grinding one deck and granted it was obviously the best deck in the format, but, you know, grinding one deck to absolutely hell and back. But right, you know what, I'm playing a lot. are usually like to mix it up just because I like to play meme DEX, but I think this format is just kind of defined itself so well that, yeah, Peaker, I'm just is something I always feel comfortable playing and so I'm trying to play it we do. You have a couple questions in chat here. One from Zoro Dad gx. What's the best way to figure out what expanded that to play modify a good standard list. There are some people who take that approach for a pretty much every expanded event and they always generally have decent results. I think to get the best results and expanded you have to look at it completely separate from standard. So certainly you can use standard to inform your opinions and how, but oftentimes the best x aren't going to be just standard exported over. It's going to be an archetype that was like tailor made to fit into the format, just because there's so many different siderations you have to make for both formats. So Dec has to be really exceptional to exceed it, to truly exceed in both. You know, I'm thinking like any pin is like yeah, that's worked right, right, or exceed in the same way. You know, yeah, certainly, like ATP, you're never going to find in the expanded format and ATP lists of plays metals and waters. Or maybe not never, but that's just like very improbable. You know, most likely you're going to see ATP list that play the Double Dragon. And so why is that? Well, that card is just leagues better than how it's played in the standard format. So yeah, you can take certainly decks from standard and try to put them over to expand it. But, like Riley is saying, there are just so many combinations in the expanded format that are just way too insanely good that you know are really going to change like completely upend the best decks from the standard format just because of the standard formats limited cardpool exactly. You got another question from sort out as well. For tourneys, is better to go with a deck you're comfortable with playing or one you think it's good for the Meta? We've talked about this a lot. I think. I think you got to kind of map out those two curves and find the intersection that makes the most sense. So, you know, certain players feel more are like more comfortable like switching on the fly. So if there's a deck that you're just generally comfortable with and you're not comfortable with the rest of the Meta, you know, stick with that deck, play the deck that you're best with, but kind of way that against like your comfort level versus how good it is poised overall. Yeah, so that, I think, the ultimate answer, is the deck you're most comfortable with that fits within like the Meta top right now, the top of the better. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean it definitely is this kind of weird like spectrum graph, right. It's like a risk reward curve right where you know you're trying to meet it at like the crossing point where you get the minimum risk for the maximum reward. Yeah, yeah, sure, exactly. And so what that means for you is obviously going to be different, but trying to identify where that is, and a lot of that comes from experience. Yeah, you know, I won't lie and say that experience has never been a factor, but like it's things like those, like feel for choosing decks and knowing a metagame, that the experience comes into play. For Sure, count the money saying. If you're expanded deck isn't completely broken, you need to pick a new deck. That's pretty much absolutely true. You probably need to break the expectations of the game in at least one way. To go along with that. If your podcast isn't extremely broken, you need to pick a new one. You mean like broken in an overpowered sense, right, like, not a yeah, not a broken yeah, no, no, not like, not like I'm listenable. Yeah, like, more like just so good, like you enjoy the host so much that you can't help but leave a five star review, whatever listening platform you are currently on, especially if you live in New Zealand. Well, I think that's a perfect stopping point for us. Thank you all so much for listening. As always, be sure to follow us on twitter at flex debt or, sorry, at Real John Walter and add smiles of the riles, and also on twitch. GW S twitch channel is Flex Daddy righteous and me right here on monner. The next full grip on line series is coming up soon as well, so be sure to register for that if you haven't already. In our look into get in some pokemon action. That's going to be all from us, and we'll catch you next time base, thanks for listening.

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