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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 8 · 1 year ago

3-8. A Coalossal Affair

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys have seen their Player's Cup run to its conclusion, and have some last minute reccomendations for the procrastinators out there. Be sure to check this out for some tips, tricks, and additional insight into the future of Pokemon TCG.

What's up everybody? Welcome back totag team, the POKEMON trading card games from your podcasting duo. As always, I'm Riley Hulbert, joined by my good, good friend JW crew.All, JW, how's it going today? It's going pretty well, Riley.I'm feeling a little low energy. I don't know what it is.The rain and the darkness. It's been dark for pretty much the last twodays. It's just overcast and just in flavened and darkness. Yeah, Idon't know, and I've just been looking at a computer screen for like ninehours today. So I'm I'm feeling a little low energy. Yeah, Ifeel that I've a I've been really struggling with like allergies lately and, ifall, I guess fall isn't really the most original time to have allergies,but it's not on common either, and so it's been a huge pain andI felt awful. I actually just woke up from a nap, not aplanned one. I just kind of was in my bed and all of asudden I was in my bed and it was later. Yeah, right,you know, that's that's got to day I'm having. That's right. It'salso it's been rainy over here too? Not, I don't think as butI think Ohio has had some like really turbulent kind of weather right or it'schanged a lot in the last couple days. Yep, we haven't had it thatbad. In Minnesota was snowing the other day. That's wild. Yeah, I was snowing in the upper peninsula as well and it's like that's notokay, man, it's too early. I do enjoy good snow. Really, I don't know, I'm kind of over so I like it, man, I like it's a nice change of pace from the day to day.I kind of like the cool weather, like I like running a jacket,having a sweater, jeans and all that. I like that. But yeah,Snow it's just kind of painful sometimes, for sure. But you know,it's rainy here still, so everything. Yeah, everything's good, I think. Then let's just jump right into it. No need to stick togloom and doom, though. So players, wellcome it's it is still gloom anddoom for one of us, but it's still a little bit of gloomand doom, but not all the way. So Player's Cup is wrapping up.This is the last full week of Gameplay that we have here and,you know, we're starting to get a good sense of where things are falling. How many players are actually like doing this thing, how many points youcan expect to need, all that kind of fun business. And so wetalked a lot about my run last week. A lot of Peka Ram, alot of Lucar on my metal JW. We didn't have a great chance totalk about your run, which is now completed. So why don't yougive us the quick lowdown on how that's gone since we last checked in?Sure, so, I am more than likely and not going to make thesecond stage of the players to WHO Players Cup too. I ended the runwith seventy eight points, which is, you know, significantly below where Iwas aiming to hit. You know, I was hoping to get somewhere inthe in the s hundreds or, you know, I was hoping to gettwo hundred and fifty, but obviously I didn't quite get there. So Iplayed a majority of the tournaments. I would say twenty five. It waslike thirty with Peak Ram and then I played ten with Lucario Mel metal andabout, you know whatever. The rest. Fifteen would yeah, fifteen with ATPZoshin and I had the most success with peak ram and it was,you know, it was a deck that I got maybe fifty, forty orfifty points from. Lucario Mel Metal also did pretty well, and then atPez was just not hitting. I think I had a couple of games towardsthe end of the run that really just kind of exemplified the whole run.Not to not to place the whole thing on bad luck by any means,but there was just like a couple of games where, you know, there'sthere's one game where research all I need to hit in my ten card deckis my great catcher to move on, and you know, I miss it. Right. So ten cards, I draw seven. I missed that.And then another game, this was this is actually the last game of theof the tournament. So I was in the finals against them Youtube player,and it was kind of a same sits situation where I had about twenty cardsin the deck. I either needed to find boss or a great catcher,and I have an or Choreo down. I'm playing at pe Z. Ihave a huge hand because I had just taken a knockout and they weren't ableto reset stamp me. So I had, you know, maybe ten cards inhand after taking this knock out and I need to hit just a feetlike there are a number of ways that I could have won the game.So I or Choreo and I could have...

...if I hit a quick ball,then I can just get as option V and I have the resources and handto power it up and take the knockout on the active. And so Iuse or Choreo and don't find his option. Okay, that's that's not a bigdeal. I will play at Adenne down and try to look for thegreat catcher and then or a boss off the Dedanne and don't hit that.And then I have a research in hand. So okay, I research into ane card deck to try to hit the great catcher and don't hit it. So I end up going through something like, you know, fifteen orsixteen cards out of my twenty card deck, just needing a few things in certainorders and didn't quite get there. So that was really to me.You know, it just left me with that, with that sweet taste ofdefeat. Following up, following the Players Cup, but notably should myself forthe most part. What's up? A notably sweet taste. Yes, yeah, I enjoyed myself for the most part. It certainly was a little bit taxingin terms of not living up our, well, not, yeah, livingup to the expectations that I had set for myself. So I optedto not stream my games because I was just feeling a ton of pressure andI can't really quantify that. But other than that, I mean it wasit was fun. I really look forward to the opportunity to do it again. So, if you could go back and change anything about how you wentabout your run, would you? I don't think so. I feel likeI played decks that had good matchups. I feel like I played dex thatI could try to either play a more consistent list than my opponent or tryto outplay my opponent, and I think I did that most successfully with peakrom. I definitely had some games with Lucario Mel metal where I was likeyeah, you know, I definitely made certain sequencing things that were better thanmy opponent and, you know, put them into awkward situations and I feltgood about that, but I wish that I had maybe, if there wasone regret, is that I would have sticked stuck with peak around for theentire tournament, just because there aren't as many hard losses. I ran intoa stretch in the early part of the Cup with Lucario Mel metal where Iwas just hitting into kind of a crazy amount of fire decks and they werejust ending my ending my rounds, you know. Yeah, first one forstround, first round, lost first round, lost first round, last and thatwas a little bit frustrating. So I certainly wish that I maybe playeda peak around for a little bit, you know, earlier in the PlayersCup. Yeah, the fire decks were definitely something to be afraid of.For the LAKARRAM METAL I ran a fire it all the time as especially whenLucariomel metal was kind of, I would say, at its at its peakhype, which was probably about two or three weeks ago, where it justcome off of a couple of tournament placements and a couple of big tournament wins, and so, you know, maybe just factoring that in, but Istill don't I don't regret my deck choices. I just maybe wish that. Yeah, I don't know, the matchups have been a little bit better.Yeah, well, it happens. It can happen to the best of us, for sure. Nevertheless, still good job in persevering and putting a vesselfor it and who knows, maybe maybe the stars a line for you.Well, we were kind of talking about what it actually means for Players CupRep because we were looking on the leaderboard and from what we understand, theleaderboard is not as accurate as some might think. Yeah, I don't knowwhat the deal with the leaderboard is. I noticed this when I was doingmy run. I notice actually very early on because our friend Michael Zeale hadtold us how he had noticed that he had a couple more points than heexpect. I did. So I was like, that's weird, but Ialready kind of had this hunch. So I'm pretty sure the leader boards currentlyfactor in like ticket tournaments as well. So it's causing a pretty massive skewand my opinion, you know, it's hard to quantify because we can't likeselectively look at the Players Cup. But the more even beyond that, there'salso a really annoying factor in that the Players Cup doesn't discreetly fit into anyof the leaderboard categories. So what I mean by that is on the leaderboardyou can search by a couple different categories. You can search by Turner. Itwrap in standard for this week, this month and this season and likealso last week lass one last season and what I thought was going to bethe most accurate one was this season, and that's what I was using whenI was climbing. But then I noticed when I finished my run that Iwasn't like on the top of the leaderboard.

I like, that doesn't make sensebecause I have what I presume to be one of the highest amount ofpoints in North America. Just so I looked at so I looked at thisseason and it turns out I only had the points I did on like thelast Monday. And so, yeah, last season has everything in the PlayersCup basically up until last Monday, and this season is like everything since then. And I just I cannot wrap my head around how they're organizing this.Presumably POKEMON has this data, like they are tracking it somehow. Yeah,I wouldn't be funny if, like, take a tournaments were factored in theresomething and like yeah, like it's just so absurd. And so, likeyou know, if you look at this month, which is kind of close, but you know, there was a spirit, a period of time inSeptember when we could do the Players Cup. It's like all my points are factoredin this month, but not every other person's is, and so justit's absolutely crazy to me actually that it can possibly be set up like this. It's like, what's going on? It's certainly interesting. Yeah, it'scertainly an interesting thing and it makes it harder as players. I mean,it doesn't really change right, because you're trying to get as many points aspossible. So, like, knowing how many points you have doesn't really changeall that much, or at least it shouldn't. But at the same timeit'd be nice to know kind of the goal that you're shooting for. Imean even that, like, if you haven't been tracking your own points discreetlyand you fell into multiple of these buckets, it gets really annoying to figure outhow many you have. Yeah, it's true. It certainly can beanxiety inducing for those of us that, yeah, maybe you didn't keep asgood of track as others, I mean I and it's like yet to findyourself on the leaderboard to like I'm personally right in front of me, Iam logged into Pokemoncom and I can see myself on this month at number foron the leaderboard. But above that, it says you haven't earned any tournamentrep from the steard format matches yet this month. Short, that's just subjectivelyuntrue. Right there, I can see it right right. Yeah, soit's funny. Well, we'll see how it all shrinks out. I meanagain, you said presumably Pokemon has all this data and all this information andand I'm sure they do. It it's maybe, you know, the websitewasn't set up in a way to accommodate for, you know, the playerscome too, for whatever reason that would be. But in any case,just just know that everyone that says a point threshold is purely based on speculation. Yeah, if you're out. So I think the ultimate point of allthis is I think everyone listening is responsible enough to like track their own pointsand have a sense of like what they have. But I don't think youcan use the leaderboards as a source of truth for what the threshold will be. You can probably use it for like overall trends and be like, yeah, you know, we're seeing something in the s right now if you lookat this month. But you know it does it's not conclusive as in factorand everything, and it might be including points from regular tournaments as well.So I would say just shoot for the best, that you can try andget over ninety if you're really trying to. I mean it's like I said acouple weeks ago. I was very wish you ashy about it, butI said try and get over ninety if you really want to guarantee that youmake it, and I still stand by that. I think if you ifyou really are trying to get in there, ninety a hundred, you'll be muchsafer at that threshold. Sure. So for players that do get tothat threshold, were thinking, you know, maybe ninety, maybe even mid s. What should you expect in the second stage of the Players Cup?Yeah, so the second stage of the player's cup is a little interesting.You know, you have the the double elimination format that cuts to a topfor per region to move on to the finals. And so when I thinkof a tournament structured in that way, I think for sure you're going tohave to play a deck that it's very consistent and doesn't take a lot ofhard losses, because your losses are really going to define your run more thanmore than your wins and so and I guess you could say that about likeany Swiss tournament, but this is like a little different and that if youtake a second loss you're completely out of the tournament out right, where youcan always go seven in two and a Swiss event and top cut into topthirty two or whatever. And so all the point of all that being isyou can't afford to take a lot of heart losses. So you got tobe looking pretty carefully at the kinds of deck that you're looking at. Sowhere's Lucar Ele mel metal might be a good deck in a vacuum. Ifthere seems to be fire type decks even kind of, even a small percentageof the Meta, you're basically risking your entire Players Cup on not playing anyof them. And granted, the car...

...on my metal get some new toolswhich helps it deal with fire decks and right the coming weeks with vivid voltage. But it's just the kind of things that you have to think about.And and you know the car metal is not to be the hardstop example.They're sure, sure. Just the point being that, you know, ifyou look at this current format, maybe you don't take something as polarizing.You know, you maybe don't take something like in this current format, aLucario Mel Metal? Yeah, obviously we're extrapolating this into a new format,but maybe something that just has a little bit more of a general positive matchupsight read like if it was played in this format. I mean, obviouslythis is coming from a place of bias, but I think p Kram would belike a pretty solid choice because it has a really good matchup spread,doesn't really take any hard losses and even its toughest matchups it can find waysto crawl out of. Yeah, why is it act like we CARLM metal? There's a lot of Senti scorches that just rom in the depths of theformat and are ready to like eat you alive. So, that being said, one thing to also think about is if you're if you think you're hardlosses are generally bad put badly poised in the Meta. If you can stayin winners bracket for a while, you probably won't see them for a while. So, like you know, continuing this metaphor, I don't think Setiscorch is a very good day. If you're playing La Caro memtal and managedto go like three to four rounds, that seeing a set scorch. Ithink your odds of seeing a sent he scorch at all go down drastically.So it's not it's not a hard and fast rule, but it's something tothink about, sure, absolutely. So. I don't know if you had anyother like thoughts to just about that. Nuances of the like the format ofit. Yeah, no, I mean it ultimately you're it's a crapshoot because you only get two losses. So you really just don't have alot of wiggle room. And not to say it's going to be the luckiestplayer, but since the lucky is a significant factor in the POKEMON trading cardgame, you're definitely going to need it to be one of those last four. Yeah, well, I mean I mean cutting the for from tune orfifty six is inherently there's like a lot of variation that goes into that.So I'd say at the end of the day, like we'd say for anytournament, play the deck that makes sense for you and play your heart outand you can't be disappointed. I think getting to the players cuff at all. You know, it shows a lot of tenacity, it shows a lotof strength in the game itself. So be a happy that, like yougot there in the first place and and just like we said about the PlayersCup qualifiers, like take every step of the way as sort of a learningexperience. Absolutely so. We also wanted to touch on on vivid voltage ofit. I don't know if you want to do that before after our cardof the week. Sure we can do it before. Okay. So,for the unaware, the players, Cup two will be including the vivid voltageset, which will certainly be shaking some things up in the Meta. JW. What are your most high level preliminary thoughts about how vivid voltage is panningout and how to attack the Meta? Yeah, I mean you look atthe one. Well, pokemon generally spoon feeds certain archetypes. So yeah,you know, a turn it is. Some would argue, you know,ATP with this option, they're just going to give you these very obvious synergiesand combos to encourage players to, you know, pick up the new deck. And so the biggest thing to look out for, at least in preliminary, preliminary kind of testing and preliminary thoughts on the new format, would haveto be colossal vmas and colossal vmax. Having that first attack for one energy. That always like kind of pricks my ears up whenever I see a oneenergy attack that can do, you know, over a hundred damage. I'm prettystoked about it. And so eruption bomb forty damage. Discard the topcard of your deck. If that card is an energy, this attack doesninety more damage. Then attach that energy to this pokemon. So your kindof building up to the second attack, which, for for energy, cando two hundred and forty damage. Pretty significant. But the first attack reallyNice Energy Excel and you can also accelerate special energy cards. So how thatkind of synergizes is you get this nice, cool little special energy that attaches ona colossal I'm blinking on the name at the moment, but it reducesdamage by twenty. Yeah, I don't know if we have the English name, but it's stone energy. So you thinking of something like that? Sure, sure. And so that is obviously a very, very good synergy.v Max is having a massive amount of health already and then you're getting anenergy card that you can accelerate that prevents...

...damage. So you're looking at youknow, on I guess, the second turn, right after you can evolvein remax. You could potentially be staring down a you know, an attackerthat does enough, you know, one hundred thirty damage for one energy andthen reduces damage by forty, right, if they attack with the eruption bomb, attach that stone energy and get another one off the top, and that'sjust really scary to think about. Yeah, so obviously, like the synergy isthere as well with the Aranguru Card from certain shield base out to beable to stack cards on top of their deck in Japan. I think they'replaying it a lot with my cargo and it's really taken the format by astorm. Obviously we don't have that option to us, but certainly there's plentyof ways to get a card on top of AD. So yeah, andI would also look at Rodom phone. Yeah, rodem phone another great option. When I think of colossal vmax, the first attack is definitely really appealingto me and I think if you have an efficient attack like that on avmax is always worth looking at, especially one that's fighting type in this format. So you know, if we look at the darkness a blaze format ina vacuum, there's a lot of fighting weakness spinning around within it, andso it's a it's a little difficult to sorry, it's a little difficult tolike not justify playing at colossal right. So sure, and P thirty sjust like it's a sweet threshold to hit. That's like any any basic one prizeris going to be in that one, dred and thirty threshold for the mostpart. Yeah, and so that's awesome. It cleanly knocks out pegrams. It wipes them off it with just a little bit of a damage boost. It can knock out right you, right, you, with a littlebit more of a damage boost and obviously you can get that with the fightingDojo. If you're behind, you can get all the way up to knockout and a turn. It is I mean like the pressure is on forthese for these dark and lightning decks to really answer the the call the format. Yeah, and luckily there is a soft counter to colossal soul in theform of, yeah, the weakness card, energy just being able to particularly forit turn it is being able to negate that weakness can kind of slotin there as a little bit of an answer. I think it's lots betterinto a turn it as for sure. Sure, obviously speak Rom you knowyou're going to want to be attaching your lightnings. I also look at theor beetle vmax is being another vmax that has some potential. I don't quiteknow how it looks. I mean colossal is pretty obvious, right, becauseit's very linear in its strategy, but or beetle is the one where youput damage counters on your opponents Pokemon, and that I think could be areally, really neat card that surely someone will find a way to utilize.Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you can't really deny like efficient cardlike that, especially once that's spread damage as well. Yeah, you know, there's some cool stuff going on. I think we also got to quicklyat least mentioned the coding. Metal Energy, I think, is what it's called. It's basically being a card as a metal energy sail the car.I'm metal getting some new tools. Chum. You know people who already played theweakness card, and I didn't like the weakness card because it didn't providea metal energy right. You know, now you can more justifiably fit thosekinds of things into your deck because it isn't so much of a problem toattach it to yours option. Sure. So I think we're going to seea shift in the Meta. For sure. I don't think it's going to beeasy and I hate to ever write peekerum off because I feel like anytimeyou do it it rears its ugly head again. Sure not that I've writtennot peeker on recently. That's one of a JW thing. So, butI think it's hard to write it off just because it's it's perseverance that isdisplayed. But it seems like now more than ever, it is a difficulttime to be a lightning or at yeah, no doubt, no doubt, andI honestly like the right La car amount of well, potentially being morepopular with coding metal isn't good for peaker on either. Right. So,yeah, that is a really tough, tough matchup for peak on. Yeah, not unwinnable, but very tough. Also want to issue a quick correction. Link one one, one one in chat. I think I got thenumber of ones right. Clarified that the Players Cup month is covered under thethis month category in in a t STO leader boards. So That's interesting,though, and that regular turns aren't giving out rap. So it is yeah, and it is covered there. The problem is that when there is discrepancyin that because, you know, like...

...we said, Michael Zelie had aproblem. I actually showed and went during the first couple of weeks of theplayer's cup extra rep and so they wonder if this did. I don't wonderif they just like fix it at some point. That could be the case. Absolutely okay. Maybe, like in October they want picked out like extraffor something. I don't know. You know, if they've got a goodway to deal with it, then that's awesome for them. I wish there'smore clarity and to the point where you wouldn't have to go to like aFAQ to figure that out, but sure, that's I think having it there isat least valuable. So thank you to link one aloan one in chatfor their clarification. So I think it's time now, Riley, for thecard of the week. Absolutely give it to a shit out of you.Okay. Well, I have been looking over a lot of charszard cards.Riley. Did you know that there are over seventy different CHARSARD cards? II honestly didn't. I we were talking about this kind of earlier today.I don't know what chars are specifically. You're looking at. But the factthat there's seventy two seems absurd to me. That seems like a lot. Itis a lot, yeah, I mean when you think that there haveonly been what ninety odd sets ever printed, like to have seventy chars ards isjust like unbelievable. I in my opinion right, because there are somany other characters that, you know, get less than a handful of cards. I mean even in the original one hundred and fifty one they're pokmon.That like Barey of cards. Yeah, right, like I don't remember thelast King Ler card. That's that's a good point. I think there isabout it. I think there is one in sword and shield face set becauseI remember I played a crabby I think, at a for really is it's soa fact check me on that. Yeah, maybe. In any case, I have been pouring over a lot of chars ards and this will thiswill make a lot of a lot more sense as to why if you guyswatch my youtube video coming out later this week. But I is a cardthat I never had as a kid and they actually did a reprint of thisfor x and Y, but it is the XY Promo two hundred and eightythat was released in Japan and this Promo is reminiscent of the of an earlierpromo that was released in Japan, but it's the Ken Sujimori kind of charzardlooking off into the distance, very iconic. It's the art work that they usedfor the initial packs and then put on a card and I just findthis card to be very emblematic of just the original pokemon series. To me, this is the most nostalgic charizard cards. Some people like the the base setCharz Ard, and certainly that is that is iconic in its own right, but to me this Japanese Promo is what really kind of pulls on myheart strings and makes me say, Oh yeah, you know, this iswhat makes me fondly remember the game and finally remember chars are. Yeah,you always got the cool Japanese from us to talk about. This is thisis really nice slogan. Well, I just like the uniqueness of the Japanesepromos. I don't know what it is it maybe it's like the Alus elusivity. I don't think that's a word, but it's the kind of I wantwhat I can't have kind of thing. Yeah, that's a very cool lookingcard, and you're right, that does. It kicks up like this, thiswave of nostalgicous looking at it, obviously it's got like that evolutions,revamped like old card look to it. But yeah, the art itself,I never really thought about the fact that art wasn't on a card before.Yeah, yeah, I mean it was are. That's so recognizable. Exactly. That's kind of it. It's like it's something that we all know,but we've never I don't know, we've never had it in America for ourselves, you know, or in yeah, we know, it's always been somethingthat has been kind of elusive. That's never I've never seen a card likethis in person. I mean not that it's like particularly expensive, but justthe fact that, yeah, I would love to get my hands on oneof these things because they just to me, symbolize everything that was great about,you know, the late s and Pokemon. Yeah, and it's it'sdefinitely super sweet. You I and you know you talked about wanting the dioxysthe other week and love you hold at the oxes showed up at your doorsteps. So who knows? I think now is probably not the time to bebuying Charz ards. Yeah, saying,...

...yeah, I'm probably not a goodtime for buyers in the chars hard market place. Yeah, yeah, probablynot. They have been going up in absurd amount. I maybe I talkeddown the stream about how I purchased like ten. This was like six yearsago in evolutions was first printed. I had bought ten reverse hollow chars ardsand for five bucks each, and I was like man, am I,am I overpaying? And I was like Nah, you know, these willgo up to like ten dollars and five years I have made fifty profit,you know. And and now there is something absurd like sixty, seventy dollarseach, and it's just, yeah, ridiculous. Now, did you alreadysell them for ten dollars? No, no, I still have them.I'm sad. I'm trying to figure out what to do, like do Itry to flood the market now, or do I try to hold onto himfor later? I don't know. I need to take a good look atthe backs to because if they're greatable, I might want to do that aswell. Yeah, grading is the place to be for Chariz ARD right now. It's funny. I I don't know if he've had this experience, butI definitely have have where, you know, people know that you play pokemons.They ask you about like selling their old cards, and that's like that'ssomething that happens all the time regardless. Yeah, but I've gotten a hugeway of people being like Hey, do you think you think I could sellmy old collection, and I'm like I probably not, like like if thisis something you had as a kid, then probably not. Yeah, well, first of all because you probably didn't take care of them, stuck inabout, you probably didn't have anything, or selling. I'm exactly. It'salways both of the points. I usually try to focus on the second point, but it's like, I know you might have thought that you took itcare of them, but like maybe you just threw them into like a crappybehinder that you got from like Walmart, and like they're all scratched up inthere and yeah, you absolutely like I did have. I did have afriend that messaged me and asked me about their collection and they had a shadowlessmewtwo that was in pretty good condition. I was like, okay, well, that you know. There you go. You got some got a you know, probably a couple hundred bucks, depending. Yeah, obviously you're sendingme pictures through the phone, so I couldn't really see you know, exactyou know, whether it's mints or not, but you know that that's kind ofcool. When they actually do have something, it is the one.They do have something. That's cool to find, something that's pretty fun.But when they're asking about like their matchop from. What is it now,I know it's always them a champ, because they're like, this is firstedition. I don't know if you notice, there's a first edition stamp and then, for those of you that don't know this, there's a first editionfrom a champ and it's not worthless, but it's like five dollars and likesignificantly less than any other first edition hollow because they gave them out as apromo back then. So like literally everyone has one. They like printed usa ton and so you know, first edition of a champ really is.Is kind of a meme in in collection circles. I mean, I thinkin general, like the last people ask about like just, you know,basically bolt guards. I mean they're not face that. I could never trulyI don't think. Ever, like I'll goes all the way to pure bulkbut you know, if you don't have like millions of dollars on you either. Right, sure, sure, like I think they're expecting me to tellthem that the squirtle is worth fifty. Now it's like now, this isa girl man, like everyone at a squirrel. Everyone's got a squirrel.So there's all. It's always stuff like that. It's it's fun. It'sfine, though, like I'm glad that they're at least interested enough to look. And sure, you know, you find hidden gems in the rough.Yeah, yeah, absolutely nice. Well, thank you, Jew for sharing that. So let's talk about, then, what the next couple weeks are lookinglike in Pokemon. Kind of map out how that's going and give peoplea sense of what to expect a little bit more for Players Cup to soplayers got too. Wrapping Up, if you had to give your final recommendationon a deck to play in this last couple days of Gameplay, what wouldyou say? I would say, you know what, I honestly haven't seentoo much fire. So we were kind of giving Lucario Mel metal bad rap, but I would say from my personal experience it was a lot of Lucariomel metal to start and then I saw some fire decks kind of creep upand then, you know, kind of lessening Lucario me metals potency. Butthen now I feel like it's a perfectly...

...fine time to break out lucario Melmetal. I think a lot of the fire decks of a kind of succumbedto I've seen a lot of a turnitis. I've seen a lot of people outof a turn of this lately. Yeah, yeah, it turn.It is seems to be kind of the deck on the rise from my perspective, and so take take a match up there or take a deck that maybehas a has an even to favorable attorney this matchup. If you want todo well in the last week of players Cope. Yeah, it's been reallyinteresting. I think the thing that's been coolest to me about the player's cupies. You could see them Meta change very dynamically. Yeah, as people arelike getting a better sense of what the trend is for a given week,you typically will see people actually respond to that. So, you know,we saw a lot of ATP to start and so you know, people wereplaying a lot of like those really fast and hard hitting decks and luke armmetal had a good matchup against like the attorneists and the ATPS. So pleaseplay that a lot. Fire came as a result of that. Peak Romscame out of nowhere and had good matches. was everything, and so people wereplaying a lot of that. But then Lukara metal was like a goodpeak ram matchup. So now it's the and the fired dexs of a badpeak on matchup. So it seems like the Meta is definitely primed for that. And you know, turn it is also like a logical response to TeKurram for the most part. Sure, so, I think now. Iwas thinking about this as well. For sure is now is the perfect timefor Lu car on my metal players to have their hey day. I thinkfires definitely are at a low point right now. Obviously I'm not in thePlayers Cup tournaments, but I play a lot of ladder since then. Idon't know why. I'm just like a keep hitting play again on Pokemon.That's Great, and I've noticed just a turn. It is is everywhere.Peak drama is everywhere ATP is like they're not everywhere, but it's there.Sure fires just completely not existent right now. So sure the car metal for sure. So taking that we Kram model is our the tag team deck ofchoice for the remainder of the time. In the qualifiers we talked about vividvoltage and how to impact the Meta. What would you actually play the gift, given like a five second time to think about it and the vim voltageMeta in vividable? I mean it would probably be trying to figure out howto make colossal work. I think that is just the it's just the tooobvious to ignore card and you know, synergy if you combine it with thestone energy of this next said, and so I really want to dig deepinto that and exploring how best to play that deck. I don't think I'malone. I think that's you know, it's just it's they're smacking you inthe head with some of these combos and so players got to run with them. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'm kind of in a similar boat. I'm very interested in colossal. I think it looks I think it lookspretty fun to play as well. I think always that Combo of like discardinga card and attaching it is very fun. I also think that the car memetal as well poised in the next format, unless fire comes on therise for whatever reason, and it might like peeker on being in a muchtougher spot gives fire a little more room to breathe. So I'm kind ofwaffling between colossal and the Cario. Sure. Sure, any other things that youthink might be notable in the well, the coming we get we get anew setup pokemon in the form of Snore lax that I'm pretty excited about. I don't know it's best application in terms of an attacking Dec but Icertainly could see any stall variant picking that card up and just loving life.So snow relax has this ability that you can draw up to seven and thenyour turn ends when you use the ability. So it's kind of like a tropicalbeach on a searchable pokemon. That to me just seems really exciting andreally interesting and I'm happy to see an ability like that on a pokemon.That's really quite stellar. I agree that it's cool, but do you thinkthat sash in existence kind of makes it tough for snore relax to find agood niche? Maybe, but I think you also look at having too manytwo prizes on your bench as something that you want to avoid if you're kindof a stall or control deck. So I could I mean I kind ofsee the reverse of that being like well, you know, maybe you want toplay at Dedenne and so you usually don't want to have, you know, Zoshen, dedenn A and like or Choreo or something on your bench.So maybe playing the snore relax will allow you to mix it up with theother two prizes that you play. Yeah, the two prizor is definitely a factor. I think the thing that I think of most is that a lot, a lot of times these decks have...

...large and sizes. Sure, theexception, I guess, being like Post Marty, I think strikes. Iguess probably a better car after you get Marny, but otherwise it's sin seemslike a better option because, yeah, I mean certainly, certainly there aremaybe you play both just go hog while. Yeah, I just I look atit as kind of a card that just is interesting. I mean youcan play it on your first turn, you can use the ability on yourfirst turn, just like zostion, right, but perhaps there's some way for dexto incorporate that, because I mean it's clearly a very strong ability.It's just how can you best utilize it? For sure, yeah, it's definitelya strong ability and not to not to rag on snarlax at all.You know he's cool. I like it when when like fun pokemon like snarlascould a cool ability or something to go with them. Jen One ers celebrate. Yeah, well, I said this before. The thing I like aboutthe TCG in snarrocks isn't the best example, is because Knox is actually a verygood pokemon, but it gives pokemon a chance to put other things inthe spotlight, as opposed to the big, most common, most popular dudes ofI'Llo, and I think your cameras frozen and who. Okay, great, yes, I was. I was having a little bit of trouble hearing. Okay. Well, I guess we got that figured out. So,nevertheless, we trudge on. So one last question I had for you andthis speed round we have here, is do you think there is going tobe a major change to expand it? Pokmons kind of alluded to the factthat they're going to be updating the expanded format in November here. Do youthink there's going to be a major shift and, if so, what doyou think that'll look like? Man, I really hope so. I amreally waiting for them to kind of be a little bit more inclusive. Certainlythere have been a lot of changes over the last six months in terms ofwhat they do with events and I can understand why, you know, focusingon standard would be of the utmost importance. But I think when you look atPokemon, one of the biggest changes that they have ever implemented in myentire time playing was the expanded format and I just don't want to see themkind of leave it by the wayside here during the pandemic. You know,they're doing a pretty good job when we still had events, of making surethat there were standard and expanded tournaments happening. But now with the pandemic, wereally haven't seen any expanded events aside from, you know, the occasionalkind of grassroots tournaments, and so I would love to see them not onlyupdate a band list but announce an event for expanded yeah, and to beit almost signals that they might be thinking about doing something if they're actually activelyupdating the list, because they have no real incentive to update it until theyhave an event and I guess I guess part of it is that they don'thave like an official bandlist update period until February after this. So, youknow, I guess this covers their basis in case they can have real lifestuff, but I would love to see some sort of online, expanded event. Happens dance and even if it's like small relatively to the like players cut. You know, they don't need to pay out travel awards, but Ihave some sort of yeah, and stent. Well, yeah, I mean Ithink I'd be an awesome time to just have something like a you know, I don't know many Players Cup where it's like you could get some ingame march or something. Yeah, something cool and leading a certain number ofadvance or competing in a certain number of tournaments. I think that would bekind of an interesting avenue that they could pursue. So do you have anystrong feelings about what should be changing expanded? I think there are a few enablers. I really just dislike trevn and dust snore just as a card,and I think that things like melodic are interesting and could be used in differentways, although certainly more abusable now that we have pokemonv, which they werenever designed to go with. And I also do and yeah and GX's.Well, yes, of course, of course, but I think you know. I mean obviously the culprits have to be shame and scoop up net.Those are like kind of of the biggest kind of problem cards of the expandedformat. So whether both of them need to go, I don't quite agree. I think probably just Shaman needs to go. Yeah, because scoopupnet stillhas you know. I mean it's just a cool card that really hasn't hadits chance to shine and expand and we haven't had an event. I don'tbelieve with scoopupnets will legal. I could...

...be wrong on that, but mygut feel is as well that if polkmon has to choose between older and youngercar they're going to choose the older one. To band. Yeah, yeah,exactly, exactly. I mean, even though Shaman isn't like super expensiveto get your hands on, which is another reason that they might potentially lookto band something, I still yeah, I would still like to see Shamanband a supposed to scoop net. Yeah, that's all I got. I don'tthink like if they banned SCOOPUP neet and they banned trevor and dust more, I think I'd be pretty happy, along with their current bands. Ithink I'd be pretty happy. Yeah, I think you know the Trevorn ourCombo is pretty toxic, so I'd like to see it reduced in some capacity. I think Shamin itself is very problematic and as time is passed, andI've said that for a while now, and I think scoop up that isreally just called many to that. So we have much more healthy, betterbalanced draw options with Crobat and the Denne and you could draw quite a fewcars in your turn with just those. So I don't really see it areason to allow shaming to continue in able future to Dena to denneracy. Ialso would kind of like to see beach go just because it's completely inaccessible.But and I don't feel like strongly about it, I'm not going to goto war for that one. What I would like to see go is Lily'spokey doll. I think having poke all and Robo sub isn't very healthy.Like I don't think you should be able to play more stuffs do cards thanyou have prices. Sure, so, sure. I just don't think that'slike great game design. And obviously they weren't like really intended to be playedtogether. So I think running down to one of the dolls' is probably fine, and I think nine out of them players wouldn't really mind anyway. Yep, Yep, I'm not again, I'm not as married to that one asI am to Shamin, but Yep, I think it would be a littlehealthier. Yeah, absolutely cool. So I think we've hit a great pointhere to jump into the open forum with chat. So if you have anythoughts about expanded or any other questions that you'd like us to address, justleave him in the chat. Will answer the first couple that we see thereand, as always, want to thank you all for your continued support andlistenership. If you're listening on Itunes, be sure to leave a rating ina review. It really helps us out. It gets US boocid further and furtherup into ever lusive algorithm wars or trying to overcome all the algorithms thatcome our way. You know, we were in the top two hundred gamepodcasts last week in America. I feel like we float in and out ofthe of like the top. Maybe it was a tabletop that we were inthe top for as well. Yeah, that could be it. I forgewe talked about this one. We were in the top two hundred in Gamesin the United States of America and top one hundred and fifty in games inNew Zealand. There you go, New Zealanders. Thank you. Thank youso much. We love our news really. Friends, what what have you beenenjoying the most on the ladder? You said you were playing a littlebit of I'm still playing paying my own. It's fun. I'm still playing vigerand I know that's like so dumb that I'm just like only played.Yes, it's such a fun deck at there's so much nuance to it thatI like mapping out my game play and every single game and like changing onecard in the deck. I feel like it's just drastically different. I'm alegend, put in a cocoa. I'm I'M A guy. Yeah, soI've just been really on the peak around grind and I know that's like it'skind of lame to just play the same deck over and over and over again, but it's just I mean, I'm I always tell people like that.I coach, like there are a couple different ways to go about you metagamingand playing decks for events, and like one is is kind of more myapproach, where I'm going to be switching and I'm going to be changing thingsup and I'm going to be, you know, switching archetypes and trying thenew thing and going back to old things and trying out different combinations than Ijust always like to change. I'm all about to change. And then thereare other people that have really good success just sticking with one thing and justbecoming unbelievably proficient at that one thing, and that is always been something thatI've been really curious about because certainly there are benefits in the sense that thereisn't a lot of cost investment right, you get to keep a lot ofthe same cards, right, for sure, and then there's there's a lot ofbenefit in that you know just the matchups in and out, so youdon't have to rely on kind of how...

...you feel a matchup is going togo. You know, you've been in those situations before and I've certainly yousee a lot of players just do particularly well just taking one archetype and learningit everything about it. Yeah, now I definitely think there's value in it, and I mean my tournament win came off of grinding one deck and grantedit was obviously the best deck in the format, but, you know,grinding one deck to absolutely hell and back. But right, you know what,I'm playing a lot. are usually like to mix it up just becauseI like to play meme DEX, but I think this format is just kindof defined itself so well that, yeah, Peaker, I'm just is something Ialways feel comfortable playing and so I'm trying to play it we do.You have a couple questions in chat here. One from Zoro Dad gx. What'sthe best way to figure out what expanded that to play modify a goodstandard list. There are some people who take that approach for a pretty muchevery expanded event and they always generally have decent results. I think to getthe best results and expanded you have to look at it completely separate from standard. So certainly you can use standard to inform your opinions and how, butoftentimes the best x aren't going to be just standard exported over. It's goingto be an archetype that was like tailor made to fit into the format,just because there's so many different siderations you have to make for both formats.So Dec has to be really exceptional to exceed it, to truly exceed inboth. You know, I'm thinking like any pin is like yeah, that'sworked right, right, or exceed in the same way. You know,yeah, certainly, like ATP, you're never going to find in the expandedformat and ATP lists of plays metals and waters. Or maybe not never,but that's just like very improbable. You know, most likely you're going tosee ATP list that play the Double Dragon. And so why is that? Well, that card is just leagues better than how it's played in the standardformat. So yeah, you can take certainly decks from standard and try toput them over to expand it. But, like Riley is saying, there arejust so many combinations in the expanded format that are just way too insanelygood that you know are really going to change like completely upend the best decksfrom the standard format just because of the standard formats limited cardpool exactly. Yougot another question from sort out as well. For tourneys, is better to gowith a deck you're comfortable with playing or one you think it's good forthe Meta? We've talked about this a lot. I think. I thinkyou got to kind of map out those two curves and find the intersection thatmakes the most sense. So, you know, certain players feel more arelike more comfortable like switching on the fly. So if there's a deck that you'rejust generally comfortable with and you're not comfortable with the rest of the Meta, you know, stick with that deck, play the deck that you're best with, but kind of way that against like your comfort level versus how goodit is poised overall. Yeah, so that, I think, the ultimateanswer, is the deck you're most comfortable with that fits within like the Metatop right now, the top of the better. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean it definitely is this kind of weird like spectrum graph, right. It's like a risk reward curve right where you know you're trying to meetit at like the crossing point where you get the minimum risk for the maximumreward. Yeah, yeah, sure, exactly. And so what that meansfor you is obviously going to be different, but trying to identify where that is, and a lot of that comes from experience. Yeah, you know, I won't lie and say that experience has never been a factor, butlike it's things like those, like feel for choosing decks and knowing a metagame, that the experience comes into play. For Sure, count the money saying. If you're expanded deck isn't completely broken, you need to pick a new deck. That's pretty much absolutely true. You probably need to break the expectationsof the game in at least one way. To go along with that. Ifyour podcast isn't extremely broken, you need to pick a new one.You mean like broken in an overpowered sense, right, like, not a yeah, not a broken yeah, no, no, not like, not likeI'm listenable. Yeah, like, more like just so good, likeyou enjoy the host so much that you can't help but leave a five starreview, whatever listening platform you are currently on, especially if you live inNew Zealand. Well, I think that's a perfect stopping point for us.Thank you all so much for listening. As always, be sure to followus on twitter at flex debt or, sorry, at Real John Walter andadd smiles of the riles, and also on twitch. GW S twitch channelis Flex Daddy righteous and me right here on monner. The next full gripon line series is coming up soon as well, so be sure to registerfor that if you haven't already. In our look into get in some pokemonaction. That's going to be all from us, and we'll catch you nexttime base, thanks for listening.

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