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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 12 · 1 year ago

3-12. Coalossal Flop

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are sitting down this week to review the changes to the meta with Vivid Voltage under our belts. Come stop by for some hot memes, some deck dreams, and meta review of this new format.

Yo, what is up everybody? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting Duou. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my good, good friend jaw crew wall JW. How's it going today? This is very well, Riley. Thank you for asking. But what's been going on in the world of Mr Cree Wall? Well, I'm getting ready for that coding cohort. I know you guys are probably stick of me talking about it, but just doing my you know, I'm watching my lectures, I'm doing my prework then putting out the youtube videos. I've been having a really fun time with this vivid voltage format, not that it shakes up too much, and we'll get to that in a in the podcast later on, but just that it adds, you know, kind of a new depth to the format and a bunch of new cards that we get to play around with. So that's been fun. And beyond that, just doing what I normally do, making food, playing board games. Yeah, it's been good. How about you? I've I've been doing well recently. I've been doing well. Me and my friend I've been watching attack on Titan. I think we talked about that last week. As well, gearing up for the fourth season coming out in December, I also started reading a new book yesterday my friend recommended to me. It's not a book I would normally read, but it's called the invisible life of addy larue. It's about a girl who is immortal, but anytime she leaves someone in this line of sighte. They like instantly forget that she exists. So in that the game of it is like she made a deal with like a devil type character and whenever she becomes so miserable that she doesn't want to live anymore, she gives up her soul. Is the idea. Okay, and there were the twist is that she meets someone who remembers her the next time that she sees him. Oh yeah, so it's huge, it's a it's pretty interesting, it's it's like got a little bit of romance in it. Which is it? Again? That's the part. I wouldn't normally read a book like that, but when a nice friend of yours recommends a book and it's pretty engaging premise, you read it. Yeah, and I actually I've actually really enjoyed it so far. So yeah, so that's right. That's been my weekend review over here. Nothing too exciting, very cool, but there is a lot of exciting stuff in the world of pokemon cars. We can't ever forget that the vivid voltage set is officially out and players have been so excited to get their hands on this car, on the cars in this set. A lot of hyped up vmax pokemon that will certainly get into and we just are coming off the back the last full group open tournament which had a lot of new experiences with voltage now in the mix. So GW as the organizer and castor of that event, what were some of the trends that we noticed with the post vivid voltage world in the grip online series? Yeah, well, if you just look at the overall player decks is very top heavy with Zashen, with both this is option variance being the top two most played decks. I think that was the most surprising for me. I would have chosen Zosh and Luke metal to be my deck of choice heading into the tournament. Yeah, but I was a little surprised to see it at that number two spot of most played. I mean I think we've seen Zoshin Luke metal go through kind of these phases over the last format of being, you know, very highly played and then generally, I would say, kind of in that mid tier range. And so again, you know, it's just interesting to see it take that second spot and most played a head. Ten out of the eighty eight players is option ATP being the most played deck. I don't know that that's necessarily a surprise. But then in third place, to me the most surprising deck was sent to scorch having seven players out of the eighty eight played that. Yeah, and I think there's a lot to dissect from all three of those. Maybe not as much ATP, but let's talk about La Carl my metal and...

...sent he scorge, because they seem to have a little bit of push and pulled dynamic there. Obviously people very excited about coding Metal Energy and even making appearance and I think in a couple of ATP decks and the last week or so, but definitely a huge star of the show in these Lakaro me metal decks. Really the only weakness of that deck was its weakness itself, and being able to mitigate that a huge factor. I'm slee fired extrasponding by playing the Guarantina to remove that coding metal energy. Yeah, they still have to find it. They have to find the scoop up nets to do it again, like you're asking something of your opponent. At least we're whereas I feel like Senndy scorch pretty much ran over Lucar on my metal with unless you got like some cheeky Zamas that to playoff where you Kot all the box or something. And you know, the weakness carred energies were seen for a bit and look look our ands ash and Luke metal, and you know those were something that players, you know, either went you know, hey, I'm gonna I figure out play a sent to scorch. Maybe I'll throw these in there, because send to scorch you know, and last format didn't. It wasn't necessarily an auto include to have that Guarantina, and so now we're seeing sent to scorch. I'm pretty sure every single list, or almost every list, played that Guarantina scoop up Netcombo and really just had a field day with the Zash and Luke metals. Yeah, it feels like you can't really get away with those Greens Sanday scorch variants anymore because you can't have that flexibility of having your Guarantina. You can't have that flexibility of being able to reuse that Guarantina with scoop up nets over and over and then obviously the extra drop power Forcu by shame it and Dedenna not shameing at de Denna and Chrobat. So it definitely seems like abilities he any scorch pulling out ahead. Is there any other factors that you think contributed to Caro me metal being so dominant, or was it really just waiting for waiting for its time to shine? I I think it was, yeah, just a safe play from opponents. I mean it's the one deck out of the top I don't know handful that did get a significant improvement with the release of vivid voltage in that coding metal energy. So I don't know that it necessarily, you know, it's could have been some kind of flavor of the week for a lot of players, but I think it's just a safe choice that actually was something that got improved on from the last format. Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. It's one of the few existing decks that really got a bump out of vivid voltage. I feel like vivid voltage we talked about this last week and the week before as well, but is very self contained kind of set like. It's very it dies deep into its archetypes, but it doesn't really affect the existing ones too much. Yeah, with the exception of pretty much just Lucar OLME metal, which obviously got that coding metal energy. I also do think lucram metal was generally decently poised. You know, those wild really play a lot of the WHIMSLICOTT deck. It had a pretty good match up there. Had A pretty good matchup against any Miscellaneous v Max that people play, you know, the or Beatles of the world, the shirt peak is shoes. Like anything. People be excited to play colossal. Sure, you know, you get a good match up there and generally just a pretty safe deck that you can take two most scenarios like. I'm yeah, we've talked about that for a while. Is Our top choices for the players got where Peter Ram and Lukara metal as our peaker. I'm got a bad matchup in colossal. The GRANDMAMA got a good one. So yeah, Nixtense and that's a that's important that you bring up colossal because I think it's a it's mirror existence. It didn't perform well and it's not. From my testing and what I've seen, it's not a particularly powerful deck, but it's mere existence, at least in this early part of the metagame, has really discouraged a lot of people from playing Peek Aram and a turn it. We saw those numbers be very, very lowers, and last format, you know you would really see a turn it is and Peek Aram kind of vie for those top, you know, two or three most played decks. Now you're seeing them more towards the middle and lower of you know, the tier one options. And you know, I think a lot...

...of that has to go to has to go to the presence of colossal. Those two decks being under played, I would say, has also led to sent to scorches rise. Like yeah, scorch had some decent matchups already in the Luke metal and and you know, Zoshan ATP was a pretty fifteen, maybe leaning toward sent to scorch being favored, but you had some generally bad matchups and peak arom an eternity. Of course, a turn it is being able to potentially one shot you if they play a poison variance and then peek around being able to, you know, stamp you down to one or two, paralyze your active and kind of cheese out the wind from there. And so you had those matchups. The underplayed in the full grip online series and I think that's what you know in Si scorch not necessarily a bad deck, but the question that I was asking myself this week is, why are we seeing so much sense scorch? And then it came to kind of a head in the tournament yesterday where I was why are we seeing so much sense scorch and why is it doing so well? And you look at the you look at the matchups that it has against oh ATP and Zosh and Luke Metal, generally on the favorable side, and then it's two pretty bad matchups of those tier ones and a turn of some peak ram. We're certainly underplayed at the at the full grip tournament. No, I a hundred percent agree with that analysis. I think the the presence of colossal has, in the early stages of the metagame, truly discourage people from playing atturnist and peak ram. I think we're already starting to see that shift and we could talk about that more and just a bit here, you know, with the revelation that maybe colossal wasn't everything it was hyped up to be in the states. But certainly that shift has been very much in Santa scorches favor. You know, where decks like Lucaro, memtal and ATP are everywhere, and generally colossal can run over any deck that's relatively slow, like the war Beatles the whatever else out there. It's just chugs along and tries to get a win slowly, like really the Sena scorch. Praise on that it it likes games to play at its space and yeah, so the Meta is definitely developed in a way that's pretty favored for Sunday scored. Still Act that I'm like overly odd on myself just because I don't like that run hot element to it, but sure I can't help admit that it's found a much better ditch for itself than it would have even a month ago. Certainly it's certainly, if you're wondering, you know, because I haven't been a big fan of sent to scorch. I mean even Andrew hasn't really been the biggest fan of sent to scorch and he ended up getting second place yesterday in the tournament. And Yeah, you just look at the metagame has shifted to the point that sent to scorch has become, you know, this very viable threat to pretty much take down, you know, take down a tournament at any given time. Yeah, so let's break down what those top placements at the full grip online series were looking like. What what end up taking the top eight spots? Yeah, so there were a couple of Zosh in ATP. Obviously Zosh in ATP won the tournament yesterday, and then we had a couple of sent to scorches, one to turn it this, which did manage to get fourth place, and you know, I I wouldn't say that a turn it this is a bad play right now. I think just people are kind of off of it because of colossal, but I don't think you necessarily need to be. We had one Zashen Luke metal and one blow Cephalon and one or beetles round out the top eight. Be Or Beatle, you love to see it. So you do love to see it. Yes, where there any surprises that you encountered throughout the tournament, like maybe something that didn't get top eight but was really interesting or got very close. Yeah, sure, I mean I will. Or Beetle did get top eight. It got that eighth slot, but it was pretty well represented outside of top eight. Just in the top thirty two there were a couple of others playing or beetle, just kind of showing that maybe or beetle is the Premiere v Max out of vivid voltage, whereas you know, maybe...

...many people talk colossal might be the other deck that is particularly interesting. Had A couple of top sixteen performances. was real a boom, a grown. That's I mean, Hey, I don't know how they did it, but they ended up being sent to scorch. Both players that played the aggrow deck ended up being sent to scorch again. I don't know how they did it because they only had to weakness card energy a piece, but it worked. They found a way. That's wild. It is wild. Yeah, so grass pokemon literally making waves in this format. What are your thoughts on on or beetle? I'm I mean my me personally, think it looks really fun. We talked a bunch of times about how or beetles the deck that we wanted to experiment with. Ike, I can stay with confidence. I did not expect the engine to form out exactly as it did, with the kind of what's the ability even called on that Snore, lax organize Orman dies. That's what it is. I love that. It's a great I rest in peace, scorman. You got eyes, you got you dies. But yes, so I think it's I think it's cool deck. I think it really depends on high your opponent plays into it. I need to do more testing with or beetle, but certainly it's a deck that you know you can play around to an extent. You know, certainly there are decks like sent to, Scorre to eternity is so that you can't. You know, if you can't handle their damage output, then you just lose either way. But with or beetle the damage output is, you know, just a little bit different. If they can force you to bench a bunch of stuff, then you know they can take cheaper chaos on things and that damage really racks up the longer the game goes on. So you have some more opportunity to play around an orbital strategy than you would some of the other decks that you know that comprise the metagame right now. But you know, or beetle certainly another deck that newly released and like colossal, I don't think lists are perfected yet, so I would expect to see that deck, you know, consistently be somewhere in the mix over the next few tournaments. My my one wish list for for or beetle, and it's I don't think a great option for this exist now, is I wish they had more ways to the really take advantage of the damage counters that were on the board. What I've noticed, yeah, playing and watching or beetle, is that you know they're spreading all this damage, but really the angle is to get like a couple of counters on one pokemons. They can get cleaner math, you know, and so you have what one, two hundred damage just on the board doing nothing. I wish there is a way that or beetle could take advantage of that a little better. I think if there is a card that comes out that let's or beetle do that, it will be in a much better position. Sure, you know, something like a like at the top of Lea, but specifically more compatible with with or beetle. I think if it had a card like that it would really be in a fantastic spot. Even yeah, absolutely I mean that's another card that you look at it's like, surely this will be good at some point. I also look too, are not good. I mean it's been, you know again, it's been performing. Sure it's meant. I put up, you know, relatively good results, but you know, you look at, I don't know, another vmax like the Toga Kiss, where it's like well, it feels it feels good. It should probably be maybe a little bit better, but it just needs like one more piece. It's kind of sent it over the edge. So or beetle, certainly a card that, again the lists aren't perfected yet, but I would expect if it gets another tool, if it gets another piece like what you were talking about, that it could really do some damage for sure. So let's dive a little bit more into colossal as well. How many colossals are ended up at the the full grip online? Yeah, colossal had a pretty weak showing overall. There Werese five, so it's kind of in that middle of the...

...pack in terms of amount of play. You know, Pe Khurram was another deck that had five out of the eighty eight. So certainly not a deck that I would ever be worried about facing. I don't think that the metagame will ever go to a point where colossal is and maybe ally my words in a month, but I don't think that the money game will ever get to a point where colossal is like the most feared deck, because I just I worried that you take some bad matchups. I worry that sent to Scorch is a little bit difficult to deal with. They can they can take your hits pretty well and then they can dish out, you know, significant damage to to shy you through the stone energy. And then you look at the deck like Josh and ATP again, something that can just pump out damage really early that you have a hard time keep a pace with if you, you know, aren't able to heal effectively. So colossal really didn't perform that well in this tournament. I think there was one player, Sean, that got top sixteen with the deck, but honestly, after watching two of his games, you know his opponents misplayed or played suboptimally out of the win, you know, just doing there was one opponent that just thinned a little too much and got and then and then Sewan was able to capitalize by just gusting something and then, you know, it's the kind of thing where it's like well, if I I didn't play one card, then I would have won. And then there was another one that was a deck out that was just kind of a weird situation because they had overplayed their cards. And so, you know, the The Times that we got colossal on the stream yesterday, it wasn't that impressive, I guess, is what I'm trying to trying to say. And so yeah, I would never be worried at this point in in this early metagame. I don't think I would be worried about colossal. If you're if you're an attornis player or peak around player and you're out there and you're like, man, I don't think I could play these decks. I want to reassure you that. You know, fighting is not is not it right now? It's not the deck right now. Yeah, I mean by the corollary to that, even is that we've seen he grams you pretty well at some of these other online tournaments, you know, and really even against the colossal like you can throw on the Youtwo and also you're not one hit Ko, and then what is the point of the colossal deck even right that's I think that's my biggest gripe is is the math just isn't very good on colossal, like it's growing a lot of hits at pokemon that can to hit Koh it. I mean it's arguably, arguably, not entirely, but arguably worse than ex couldrill, because you don't hit quite the numbers. There's a lot more that you need to do. You know, you need to have the evolution and the energy stacked on top of the deck, which is not a given, you know, and it's hard to move around. It's you know, there's it's three prizes, obviously when you get knocked out. So there's some arguments to be made for x couldrill actually being the superior one energy fighting attacker. Yeah, I mean the class has so many pieces that needs to get into place and I think I think we all kind of underestimated how difficult it would be to get the those pieces really moving and even when they're moving, how effective does pieces would be. I kind of I was already under the impression that like Saush and would be a tough matchup any deck with his aution because they would just hit you so hard so fast. But I think I even underestimated how difficult that would be as a colossal deck to deal with. Yeah, yeah, and then again, you look at like a deck like sent to Scorch, which has a really, really strong, soft counter in that Guarantina being able to knock off those stone energies. So and honestly, even with the stone energies, they're like Sena scorches, often in a position where it will just to hit Kao. You. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely so. I mean that was one of the one of the bad matchups for colossal from from the full garbonline series last night and you know, didn't...

...really have too many favorable ones outside of what it could hit for weakness. Yeah, so I think, I think I kind of agree with you that the ex could drill. Even the don fans out there seem like more reasonable fighting countery decks. I'd prefer the X couldroll, personally, but I know some people are really until like Don Fan spirituum kind of decks as well. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's arguable. I'm not saying you know that. Sure, yeah, I mean it doesn't have to be defended facts. They are right. It doesn't have to be definitive fact, but I'm with that logic process, mostly because really unless colossals against a fighting week deck, it doesn't really throw live and so at that point you might as well play a one prize attacker that can get those solid trades off and do similar damage with its fighting energy. Yeah, yeah, the awkward thing is that you want energy on your colossal and you also want energy, you know, in your hand so you can stack your deck with it. It's just something, something about it isn't quite meshing. And then you want to be able to heal, but you know, you often need to draw a lot of cards to try to get into your energy, you know, because you're not playing a ton of energy. It's just something about it isn't quite living up to the hype, and certainly colossal is a very hype deck from the Japanese metagame. Yeah, but where they also have what's that's what's so interesting about it, you know. But I believe the Japanese metagame also had access to macargo, which certainly was a pretty substantial factor in consistency. The cargo iancy to you get that extra buff from the prism star as well. Yeah, the dancy getting a lot of extra consistency to your damage output. I mean even hitting for sixty over forty, like when you're not doing the effect is pretty significant. So, I mean, I'm not a I'm not huge on colossal right now. I would be curious to see if list developed to place where, you know, it gets to maybe a more substantial part of the metagame. But I definitely think colossal kind of flowed relatively height. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And again it's one tournament and I would expect list to get better and better and more well defined. The other thing thing that I would look to colossal is as like some way that players could innovate and if they do find an innovation that they could really allow the deck to take off, is having a counter to Asama Senta. There hasn't been anything that I've really found that's a an adequate counter. I mean you, of course you do have that Gallerian surfeitch TV, which has made its way into most decks, but it doesn't do enough to one shot as amasa unless you're down and prizes and you have the Dojo out. So even then, especially not against the carrount, not a real mel metal right, because they're doing the damage production. So if there's some way for the ex coul drill deck to maybe have a better you know, try to find a solution to like Lucario Mel Metal Deck. Then maybe it would be just just better poise. I mean obviously it would be better poise for the Meta game if you could try to solve one of the top two's option decks matchups. Yea. Yeah, yeah, the problem, you think, gets worse because the surf ash will hit into you and if they have a pan on, you're doing one hundred forty and then they'll Malalana get down to two thousand and eighty twenty damage on the poke and then they'll also remove your stone energy with the attack. Yeah, yeah, and then and then you can't even attack multiple and you have to switch to attack again, and then you're also Kao the following term. So it's just a whole thing. It's it's definitely a to do. It's definitely to do. So yeah, not hot on colossal here at TAG team. Any other notable pickups from the full Rep online series? I I don't think so. I mean, again, we look at just the the surprise for me was not just how much sent to scorch there was, because we had been seeing some sent to scorch be played in some of these other online tournaments, but just how well it did, how well it performed and and again seeing it really up close on the stream was really impressive. We had a lot...

...of players play dragon poults. Yeah, there was a lot of dragon poll relatively speaking. Yeah, there were six dragon poll it was the fourth most played deck. Yeah, I didn't perform that well. There weren't really many that were close to, you know, the top eight money, but that people play Dragon Polton. I think again, you're seeing that as kind of a result of there being a lot less eternity is in the metagame. I wouldn't expect that to last. I think people are just kind of feeling out this early metagame and I have a feeling that at turn it is should pick up in play. Yeah, absolutely, colossals, ever or not, tendy sports everywhere. Right, right, exactly cool. So let's jump into car to the day then, JW, it's your turn with the Vatan. What do you got for us this sign? Yeah, today card of the day. I really enjoyed this card back in the day because it paired with a bunch of other degenerate cards and I just I like when there are archetypes that revolve around. Like there are some like serious pokemon cards, but then there are some that are just dirty looking, and so this card was very high level card back in Twenty fifteen, I want to say. And you paired it with Seismin Toad, you paired it with Hypnotoctra laser, you pared it with crushing Hammer, compared it with lysander's trump card and you made this like beast of a deck, and that is, of course, slurpuff from the expansion Phantom Force has. So slurpuff had this ability tasting that lets you draw one car to turn, as is a stage one. Of course, Slur Puff, let's draw one card to turn and if it's in the active position, you get to draw an additional card. So you would use the slurpuff. You try to get as many as you possibly could down on the bench and you would play it with seisman toad to item lock your opponent. Play that SISM toad. Of course, back in the day, you would have hypnos toxic laser try to force your opponent to go to sleep, and so if they're item locked and they're asleep, then they can't, you know, use switches and things like that. There wasn't anything there wasn't any supporter switch either. Goose. My house was before Guzma, when we had lysander as our only gust. So players were just forced to, you know, fall kind of victim to that strategy on that like fifty chance that they woke up in between turns that they could attack into a Seismin toad. And then if they did attack into a SISMINTOAD, you could just pick it up with an angry and promote your slurpuff, draw those two cards, draw card for each slurpuff on your bench, and go back into it. And the whole thing was made even more degenerate by this card called LYSAND's trump card, which it was a supporter and of course, you know, if you've been playing for any amount of time, you know you might have seen it on the band list. But I do want to just emphasize just how discussing this card was, particularly with, you know, these slur puffs that could just draw you free cards every single turn. But you could shuffle your discard piled bank in your deck and have access to those hipnotxiclazer crushing hammers, a z's and all that stuff. You just basically cycle the loop over and over again. So slurpuff again, Derby looking card hung hanging out, but an integral part of this arguably the most degenerate deck of the time. Yeah, isn't the old thing that pokemon realized that trump card had to be banned when toad puff ended up beating frazying genes sect in the finals of original yeah, that was very notable, because of course Ruthi and takes the weakness on a seisment Ode and may see, you're immune to status. Yeah, exactly. And Yeah, I mean the the sheer amount of like crushing hot, you know, you thought crushing Bam Hammer was bad. Evers names this water as well. What's that? Ever? Is In resist water as well, doesn't it? That's true. Yeah, hitting that much, damn that. But even so, you could, you could remove all their energy and then, you know,...

...you could do it all again. And you can do it, you know, infinite times, essentially, right, because you could play vs secret for trump card, play the trump card, you know, and then vas seeker again. You know, you get your va seekers back, right, so it literally is this infinite loop. And now was I played that deck to no end, you know, that was that was my deck and I had a field day during that during that time, because I don't think I'll ever see another deck is broken US Downe. Yeah, it's crazy to me that trump card and vs secre came out in the same set, like they are printed presumably with each other in mind. You know, I throw my hands. Well, the vs sacer actually had come out earlier. So the VA secret was a reprint. Sure, but if they reap, they actively chose to reprint it in yeah, in the same set. Sure sures. Yeah. So the card designers were like, yeah, you know, it would be really cool if we can make an infinite loop very easily. Like it's not like it's two car infinitely. Yeah, it's not like it was. You know, you need to evolve something or like a reality or something like that. No, no, you just needed to essentially two cards to get an infinite loop. Yeah, which is crazy. That's completely insane. So nuts. Yeah, I one thing. I say this all time. One thing I love about the card game relative to the video game is random, niche pokemon that might not ever find a use in the video game can find a place in the card game, and I think slurpuff is a really good example of that, of just this Dirky, goofy, Pokmon at, like, you know, doesn't contribute a lot, but then all of a sudden it has it's really cool guard and you know, it finds place. That's right. And speaking of completely disgusting decks, D W, in your opinion right now, what is the premier deck to play in the vivid multi measure voltage Meta game? Is it the Cario? Is Any scorch, colossal de grab, something between? What is the premier deck to play? Yeah, like, what would be the deck, knowing, you know, having a little bit more defined outline of the Metagame, that I would play? Yeah, it had to be ATP. For me, I think ATP. Yeah. So what makes ADP still the number one choice for you heading into vivid voltage? The match was cross the board. Are just very even. So, if the metagame swings any week, you know, let's say in response to all the sent to Scorche, people opt to play more eternity or they have to play like water decks, you know, we could certainly see something like lap rous or Intelli on, you know, rise a little bit more than has been recent and so I think, you know, just a deck like ATP is kind of immune to all the metagame shifts, and that to me, if you're looking at a if you're looking at a tournament by tournament basis, you know, if I'm trying to metagame for like only done next tournament, then okay, maybe I might take a different deck. But if I'm looking at kind of a long form approach to the Metagame, and what would I play, you know, not just in this next tournament, but if I'm going to play, you know, a string of tournaments over the next week or the next couple of weeks, I just take ATP. The matchup strutus is very adequate and you know, you're really never out of a game to play. Is there anything in particular that you would include in your ATP list or you'd recommend that other people look at peculiar text that you think are useful at the moment? Not particularly straightforward ATP? Yeah, and honestly I wouldn't even be worried about playing something like age slash. Some people have been talking about it, but I think there's I was never really worried about deciduaygoon before and you know, I don't know, particularly now that sent to scorch again, is seeing like higher levels of play than it did in last format. I don't know that I would be all that worried about facing a...

...deciduagoon in, you know, in the current metagame. For sure. Yeah, we're in s yeah, makes sense to me. I was wondering if you were considering something like a melodic or like wild like that. Yeah, you could. Absolutely. I think that there's a lot of space right now for these kind of counterbox decks. I have been working on a Melonic v deck on my own. I mean I was just thinking in the realm of ATP, like you can find know for sure. For sure. I'm just saying like, yes, melodic is a really good card right now as its own deck, but also, yeah, in in ATP, you know, you maybe want to play a water type attacker, but that's again not something that I'm part I would particularly lean towards. Again, you have to kind of Suss it out, because if you think that there's going to be even more sent to Scorge, then yeah, sure, then you might play some water type attacker and telly on or the melodic, but if you think that there's going to be a counter response, which I would say that generally there is, you know, generally. If you see that, you know there's kind of a peak in a valley, right, so the response to seeing a lot of sent to scorage might be that there would be more peak around and more etern it is than you know. Obviously a melodic doesn't really fit into a metagame where those other decks are more highly played. I'm with you. I'm with you. So it's like, you know, it's just we're kind of splitting hairs here when we're talking about this. Is like should you or shouldn't you? But it's it really kind of comes down to case by case basis and then whether you're taking a long form or short form approach the metagame and whether or not you just want to ensure certain matchups. You know, I'm generally going to be more in favor of kind of taking, you know, including cards in my list that aren't just useful in one matchup, and I would argue very heavily that the melodic is pretty useless and just about every other matchup aside from sent to scorch. So generally I'm going to be looking for tax and deck options that are useful in many different in many different ways, in many different matchups. Yeah, I feel that. So I feel that for sure. Any other decks catch your eye recently? What's your what's your favorite meme deck from vivid voll ditch Um mean deck, I mean certainly has to be whims con I think that that goes really fun. For some reason. I feel like I overlooked it a lot heading into the format, but that's easily the most fun deck for me. Being able to recycle those tools and getting back the U turn boards. That's been a really big bright spot. One of the better one prize decks to come along in a while has kind of this reminiscent feel to spear tomb a couple of formats go the you tuer imports man, I know what about you. What have you been enjoying as kind of fun decks? Sure? Well, first the the decks that I would consider the most right now are going to be. I would still be on the same train as before. Honestly, I would play Lakarl, my medal of Peak Rom. Yeah, I think those decks or see for good. So in terms of fun decks, I every I feel like every set I get laser focused on one meme deck and I do everything in my power to make it work. The I think the first iteration of it was, and you can find this on the tricky gym Youtube Channel, was I have a video on the tricky gym channel of a Garchemflucario Deck, yeah, from the ultra prism set, and that was like the first iteration of you getting really into a meme deck. The iteration this time, at last time as mad party. Obviously, this time it is Tarz art. I really want to make chars artwork. That deck seems so fun and so cool and it's been complete garbage so far. And Yeah, yeah, and like I don't know if there's even a way to make it work, but like that's currently are my sites are focused. So you know I'm going to spend it like a week in that rabbit hole trying to figure out how to...

...make that work. I love but yeah, that that's my deck of the set. Certainly whens. The COT is is also a deck that I find really fun and interesting, although I would say when was Gott is like close to, if not graduated from pure meme tier into like being a decent deck. Yeah, sure, sure, you know. I mean you look at like a metagame that had more mewtwo would probably be, you know, a significant I mean I favored I think it. I think it trades well into most of the v Max decks besides or three price decks in general, besides the Carlme metal really or really strong, I will buy ATP. Really, I don't know that. Yeah, atps, ATP stuff as well, and that's really I mean that's really the downfall of all these one price text is the ATP is a true, true you could play something like a lot of us or a lot of Yos. That's something that I want to experiment with. Is. Yeah, people have been trying the hair across as well, sure, and hair cross. I mean it's probably something we should specifically colors the rise of hair across. You know, it's haircross. I feel like it's always been a known quantity, but I feel like people are talking about it a lot more recently. I don't know if you've noticed this too. Yeah, I've seen some twitter threats about hair across, for sure. Yeah, so pious see if people try and innovate a little more and push the one prize metagame to be a little more viable. It's something I would like to see. Certainly my mad parties and chars ards would like to see that. So all my all my brothers and sisters out there who believe in Mad Party in chars ARD, like, you know, we got to figure out haircrass guys. We gotta get that going. I love it. That's got that's kind of where I'm sitting. Like, honestly, most of good voltage riley and pre vivid voltage riley are really not that different in terms of how I would align myself. Sure, you know, maybe I'll throw a game of Seney scorch where before I would I would never touch the back, sure, but yeah, still, yeah, that's funny. Anything else really catching your eye from the new set Um? You know, I've been toying with the amazing rares a little bit. Those are certainly, you know, meme mean potential worthy. You know, ry coup has been just a very fun attacker, right, who? Super Cool. Yeah, it is kind of crazy when you do get that. That's like the kind of attack where you expect to like discard all the energy or something and he is does it. I know, right. Yeah, know, he's a real dude. He's a real dude. You can get in there. So that's been that's been fun. But really it feels like with this release the metagame has kind of settled. It feels interesting to say like we're adding new cards, but the metagame is settled more. I don't quite know how to quantify that, but it just feels like, you know, some of the decks get a little buff, a little bit of a boost, but on the whole we're kind of seeing more of the same and with some new flares, you know, or beetle colossal, that kind of thing. Yeah, it kind of reminds me. I feel like usually the first set after rotation has a decent amount of impact. I feel like the voltage is more like, I don't want to put all the way in evolutions to here, but it kind of reminds me evolutions, where there's like one deck that really came out of evolutions, with the Pigeot deck, and then really otherwise the Meta state about the same, with like a couple of new tax yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, I feel like if it voltage contributed more, I feel like there's more decks that came out of it voltage than evolutions, but it's got a similar vibe. Yeah, right, right, exactly. So there's to say, though, the Meta will certainly evolve over the next few weeks. I'm excited to see people perfect the archetypes that have come out of voltage. Yeah, and see what those look like when they're all sudden done. Yeah, no doubt. Let's let's open up the floor to any viewer questions. Guys, if you have anything that you want to ask us about out what happened...

...in the full griband line series, if you have any questions about what happened in any of the other tournaments that happen this week. kind of our thoughts on maybe even some expanded decks rally. Of You seen anything and expanded that you've been interested in? I know that there is a limitless tournament coming up in the expanded format, I think in a couple of weeks. That will be featuring vivid voltage. So anything that you've seen people play that has particularly intrigued you or anything you want to try in the expanded format? You had to be honest, I haven't thought too much about expanded I did follow the the last limitless tournament pretty closely while when you're in and I was like really watching the standings as I was going about my day and watching your stream. Yeah, I haven't really put too much thought into like what that would look like. The Dragon Pult garb deck seems kind of underwhelming to me, but I guess I haven't played it yet. One thing that I found really curious was the eternatives or arc deck. That seems like has a lot going on, which, yeah, but it seems kind of fun though. So you know, I'd like to yeah, you take that out for the Rodeo or something. Yeah, that one was pretty cool. I mean basically the same idea as like the snorelax deck. You're going to be hitting for a little less damaged, but you're not reliant on a stadium and you know, you have access to a few different tools, a little bit more sustainable energy source with the dark patches in the basic energy. So, you know, certainly some pluses and is but very reminiscent of yeah, you know, just get as many pokmon on the field, hit as hard as you can and you have that built in draw power with this or arc. So, you know, really interesting deck from that from that first tournament. Obviously we've now with vivid voltage, things will shake up, I'm sure a little bit. I can't wait to see what people come up with the amazing rares. You know, you certainly have that synergy with Hoo. You can go ahead and yeah and on into that. So you know pretty easily now Ninja boy out of Hoo and and do things like that that are pretty cool. One question in chat that I don't know who said it. I just roll up, but the new shiny set. was asked about it and chat earlier. Ah, so, Jew have you been scoping that out too much? I haven't followed it too closely, but I did see when they announced the Zashenz Amaz into an eternity is in black and gold, and my word, that has to be the craziest, coolest looking card that I may have ever seen. I know they look so good, like I like every time pokemon comes out with one of these kind of mini sets. It's not really a mini set, but every time they come out with one of these shiny sets, like I'm always just blown away by the by the production quality and kind of the new things that they bring to the table. It's somehow they keep making the same concept look very fresh and you know, certainly this shiny vaults or shiny star set is is no different. And yes, those black and gold cards, the Zash and Zamazan said turn. It is all all look incredible. I keep you know, again, the older I get, the more and it's like it's hurting me because I really want some of this product. Yeah, I there's ash and the ZAMAZ into the turn. It's they all look so good. I just want to like display, though, somewhere. I will say this. There are some shinies that I think are better than our like significantly better, like actually make me enjoy the POKEMON, whereas I had a negative view, the one being I don't know if you've seen this guy the shiny ice cube is making. I know. Yeah, what, what thing looks good. That's that's a funny little change of heart. Yeah, there, sir, I know, I know. One thing I like about the shiny sets is the carts. I feel like they have really cool poses. Like the regular Shiny Pokemon, they always look so, so fun. Sure. So, when I was thinking of in particular, as I was like scrolling through here, is like is like the synasty is like waving around,...

...or the Dedann a's jumping in the air. Yeah, yeah, the action poses are all right there. You know, the Buntlebee is just leaping into the air back to the camera. They do be leaping. They do be leaping, though, and it's just it seems. It just so is so fun. I really liked the last signy set. I'm excited for this one as well. It's so it's so sad. It's flying as like a player or collector to open those packs up and see like a really fun shiny card in it. Yeah, you know, I just love that, I really do. Yeah, absolutely, Yep, couldn't agree more. And when we get back to playing in real life, you know I'm going to show up with that or four four for mad party or all shiny up Joe. That would be that'd be so awesome. I'll just keep it, even if I never play it. I'll keep it all shiny mad party deck its turn turn away, sleeved up, like in case the case situation ever arises. Right yet have your utility thought Handy. There you go, Dr Keith Talent says. Do you guys think there's a place for real a boom based grass decks in the Meta? I think yeah, we just looted to that a little bit from the full group tournament and had a couple of placements in the top sixteen. So a couple of losses keeping it from you know, those higher that higher tier, the top eight, but certainly, you know, showing again in a field that was had major player and sent to scorch. You you look at a deck like real a boom performing in that metagame and and you look at their matchups, having both beaten a sent to scorch deck, you gotta you gotta ask why and you got to kind of think that, you know, maybe real a boom does have some legs in this format. So greats a deck that I want to put a little bit more time into. It's a one that you know, Andrew to a Zul have have played kind of more on the meme side in the last format, playing it with mewtwo. But yeah, I'll be interested to see how real a boom does, and I think they're absolutely is room for it in this metagame. Absolutely, yeah, the coming out of nowhere really and still tops. Yeah, it did, and that's funny too, because, like you would think that really boom would kind of try to prey upon like a colossal based metagame by that certainly wasn't the case in the full Gar bound light series and it did pretty well, absolutely absolutely. The rolling up looking for one more hot question asked for. We find off of the evening and I'm also I have the shiny cards open and the I like how failanx has the regular shiny and then it has the the V also as a shiny. So you can't. Yeah, you can have just so many shiny failings in your death. That's true. Yes, I mean that's what the world needs, more of shiny failings, chiny failings. I'm sorry that I forgot your name Multiple Times. Failings, little curvy looking guy. Fun. And one last question from and Anderson. Six by four, five and he asked seriously, can you guys call your friends Jen mutters in reference to Gen wanterers? I kind of like that. Tan MONTERS, JEN munters. It kind of is kind of leans a little too hard into my twitch name, though, you know, like that's that'd be like my fan base. Maybe it. Maybe there are people that are listening to this podcast. I actually have no doubt that this is the case that like you like significantly more than me. You think so. So for all all your fans, they can be Gen munners and then, you...

...know, maybe little frections and yeah, they're a little flexors, is that what you call them? You should call them little flexers. If you don't know, I do. Yeah, that sounds like too happy distinct band names. That's right, that's right, awesome. Well, we appreciate the continued listenership from everyone out there. We've done really well recently and it's all thanks to you guys. If you do enjoy the show, be sure to leave a rate and review on your podcasting platforms and be sure to also follow us on our social media platforms. And so that's going to be smouse Friles, real John Walter and tactic pokemon on twitter, as well as mutter and flex that he righteous on twitch. And with that we're going to head out and we'll catch you next time. Peace, see you.

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