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Season 3, Episode 26 · 11 months ago

3-26. Cup Round Up

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are done with the Player's Cup and want to share their experiences! Come learn about how to succeed in these kinds of events, and get some insight into the exciting future of Pokemon cards.

You know what is up. Guys, welcome back to tag team Pokemon, Treating Card Games Premiere podcasting duo.My name is Riley Hulbert and I'm joined, as always, by my splendid,wonderful, fantastic friend, MR JW currywall. You, you, howyou doing today? Doing okay, Riley. How are you? I am doingwell, little tired but trudging along. Yeah, I feel that. Ifeel that today we had mock interviews, oh the in the class, andso there was this one. I just want to say. It wasreally funny. This dude was like super chill. He had kind of amullet thing going on and he had a Patagonia hat and he was like notreally wearing a button down, or maybe it was a button now, withlike short sleeves or something. So like super chill. He's like yeah,Bro, like we're here, we're gonna do this, like let's have agood time, like learn about each other, casual interview. And then he youknow, we're going along or going along, and I kind of am like theconversation kind of transitions from like okay, where do you see yourself in likefive years and like why do you want to work on technology? Tolike just random questions, and I thought at this point when I move overto random questions, like the interview is over, and so he's like what'syour flight? What's your biggest accomplishment? And I was like, Oh,you know, this is one thing that I did in music and yeah,I didn't really answer very well or I was just like yeah, it ismy bigges accomplishment. I didn't really say anything. And then after the interviewis the interview is over. He's like, Oh, yeah, for that answer. Yeah, you should have said something that tied it back into theinterview, like in your love for technology. I was like, what the Heck, man, I thought we were just chatting, like I didn't know. This is test. You definitely just you got me. You Hoo doingto me. That's how they get you. That's how they get you, man. You gotta always be on guard with those recruiters. It's true.It's true. So anything new in Wisconsin? Yeah, I mean our projects doinglive this weekend, though, at four I am on Saturday, itofficial be up and running. So I'm doing twelve hour shifts every day fromSaturday to next Thursday, which will be very fun, Cope. But it'svery exciting time. You know, stress is definitely kind of reached its peakamongst my peers. Yes, definitely a lot of chaos going on, butit's an exciting time and I'm I'm excited to kind of see it through andhopefully I get a chance to work with a projects in Ohio where I actuallyget to travel. That would be sick. I'm trying to this. Is it? Well, yeah, I mean this project was in Ohio, butobviously I didn't get to wear where would it be? which part of Ohio? It's in New York. So it's just in Columbus. Oh, okay, sweet. So what we try to do tag team, like live onset? In how many weeks? Well, I won't be going on say,I'll just be working from here. You did kind of say that,didn't but I think my next projects also going to be in Ohio, butprobably not Columbus itself. We'll see. There's a couple of upcoming projects thatI am potentially getting on. Gotcha. Okay, so how often do youtravel? I mean it's probably not too much, but I know that forsome of the bigger projects you like, or like a regular project. Iwould travel about once a month. Okay, my role travels less frequently than otherfolks. Like other roles will travel like twice a month. Gotcha,I think one some months, like about what I want to do in termsof like travel for work. You know, it gets you get see out ofthe house. There's to do something punishing and different place, but you'renot like always away from home either. Actually cool, but nevertheless, lifegoes on and goes on, and Pokemon to that wouldw we have reached almosta conclusion. Of players cupt three. I'm sure the listeners are tired ofhearing about it at this point. Yeah, but I think we'll be happy toannounce that both of us, unless something crazy happens in the next fewdays, have made it through into the next round. So that's right.That's right. You have your clock in it just a little bit over ahundred, right, hundred ten or so. Well, that was yeah, thatwas last time. So I am at one hundred and twenty six now. Okay, one you remaining. So, okay, Gotcha, top, toptwenty right now. In there you...

...go, or maybe get one ofthose buys. Yeah, so I maybe. I mean that was kind of yeah, I didn't really start thinking about that until I, you know,started get into that mid one hundred and ten. So I was like,Oh, okay, maybe there's a chance. I don't know where that cutoff is, because they do award those by like a one game by to thetop performers, but it's just based on the number of no shows. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So, you know, would be nice to niceto get that and certainly there will probably be a handful of no shows thatjust won't have time or won't want to do the next phase of the PlayersCup. Yeah, that's super cool. I I was checking the rankings likeyesterday and I when did you get those last couple of points? I didn'tnotice that you. Yeah, I mean, I was. I was playing.I played like to today, just in my lunch break. So okay. So I just was cleaning them up and I was like yeah, youknow, I probably won't have too much time tomorrow and I probably won't playany on Friday, so go ahead and try to finish up a few whileI have the time today. Nice, and I'm sitting in ninety nine.I have seven keys left. I sadly ended up losing like two more turnamentsto disconnects. So I've in total tossed five keys, which, oh myGod, really sad. I felt like I could have got a score comparableto yours if that didn't keep that playing. Wow. I will say, though, Riley, we did play once. We did, and you won thecoin flips and the and the crushing hand with the battle. Definitely wonthe crushing hair a battle very hard. That was unfortunate, but it wasstill a fun time. Yeah, any your good sport about it. Yeah, so for sure, you know, at the end of the day,I think we're both really excited to keep go on in the next round ofcompetition. I will say, you know, there's a lot of hate being spreadabout this format. I kind of I don't know if it's like aformat that's like in my top formats, but I don't mind like just playinga bunch of games of it, you know, sitting down like slamming downPeak Ron Games. That's always just like a fun time. So yeah,I mean, I mean I'll just say, like I still find that there's alot of decisionmaking, but it's just you have less turns to make decisions. So that's, you know, I think we're most of the issue comesin like the the game hasn't in terms of turn by turn complexity. Idon't think the game is any different from certainly more recent formats. Like peopleuphold like two thousand and eighteen is being this like incredible format and like itwas probably better than it is now, but I think on a turn byturn basis you're still looking at the same kind of decisions, I would saythat you did back then. So yeah, I think generally it's good format.Well, good format, maybe that's subjective. For sure, I thinkit's an acceptable format. Just Games are a little short, I think.I think everyone kind of understands that. Yeah, and I think I thinkreally the shortness of the format is what's allowed a lot of these strategies thatpeople don't like that becomes so prevalent, like because games are so short,things like crushing hammer have so much additional value because when you're only getting threeto four turns to attach for a turn, one of those is pretty big.Yeah, I mean generally speaking, like crushing hammer throughout its lifetime reallyhasn't been that impactful. I mean I think back to the first time thatI played crushing hammer in a deck was when it could be reused multiple timeswith the slurpuff trump card engine, you know, and I think like thatwhole period in between then and now, I don't think I ever really playedcrushing Hammer. Maybe I'm thinking of a very obvious, you know, exclusionthere, but you're absolutely right. With turns only they are, with gamesonly going a few turns, you know, three, four, five, sixturns, getting rid of a couple of energy really important, right,and it's and I think you hit that now on the head. Like previously, crushing hammer would be the kind of card that only really made sense indecks that could use it multiple times. So like your Rangeru decks, yourstable light acts sure coming card. Yet that's the obvious exclusion, you know, the things that could continually take advantage of that crushing camera, because it'slike inherently an unreliable card. But in this per format a I think thecard pool is kind of limited, which certainly plays a factor, and bethe games at short that being able to remove an energy attachment for turn,and I would also say like the attachment for turn is super important right now. This is very important there's a lot of like multi attachment attackers and there'snot like incredible ways to accelerate them. Yeah, yeah, there's, there'svery yeah, on on. Well, now, I wouldn't say unreliable,because they're definitely very reliable, but they're very maybe unorthodox ways. A lotof times in the past you could, you know, do that energy accelerationand then also attack, but now it's...

...generally you're accelerating through the attack.So you don't ever really have those extremely explosive, you know turns where youcan energy excel and get the one shot right. It's like gone of thedays at the B strings and the Maxili series. Yeah, and the doublecolorless energy where you slap things down and start going. I think really that'sone of the bigger difference is is you don't have anything mad parties an example, but really the formats dominated by multi price pokemon and there's no like singleattachment multiprice pokemon the running the form at right now, right, absolutely now. I you know, overall, Gw, is there any like lessons learned fromthis player's Cup is opposed to the previous one? Do you think youclearly success? Is there? Yeah, well, I Players Cup too.I just did not play very well and I was kind of upset about it, to be honest with you. I just definitely knew I kind of threw, you know, I threw at least a handful of keys, like Iknew that I didn't play my best like with every single key and Players Cuptoo. So I was kind of promising that to myself, like don't,don't throw anything away, don't don't let one key go by that you're not, you know, trying to play as best as you can. And Imean certainly it's very hard to keep that level focus for every single game,but I certainly did a much better job and the results kind of speak forthemselves. I learned a lot about the format. To that I don't necessarilythink. I yeah, that I would have learned, I guess, fromjust following others opinions. For one, I would say that I, youknow, match up wise, I had very, very fair, verable matchupsin in matchups that I otherwise thought were generally even or unfavorable. So,for instance, I was think I always thought that send a scorch was agenerally even matchup for Peak Rom, but I found that to be not thecase where I pretty much smoked most of the sin of scorches that I camein contact with. And then ATP I also felt like was a pretty evenmatchup, but after just running the numbers and seeing from Players Cup, likeI was dominating ATP like, in fact, ATP was a matchup with peak ramthat I wanted to face, as weird as that sounds. And thenthe other one that came as a little bit of a surprise to me.But again, like always, trust the numbers, you know, go backto what the numbers say. There's a lot of in pokemon. There's justnot enough time to, you know, test every match of in depth.But when you do play these matches on the ladder or with your friends,testing for a big event, like try as much as you can to likewrite the stuff down, because then you get to look at the numbers,you could say, okay, here's like an objective measure. I played theseGames, I remember how they went and, you know, okay, at theend of the day, here's the win loss record. And so onematchup that I found was favorable that I had previously thought was like almost unwinnableor you had to get kind of lucky to win was the Luke Metal Matchup, and I've found that to be pretty bay. I mean it's you know, I have something like a sixty or seventy percent win right against Lucario MelMetal. Now, how much of that is them not playing optimally? Hardto say. I wouldn't classify any of the Games that I played against islike being obvious throws. I don't think anyone was very obviously misplaying. Butyou know, just again it goes to show for me like Oh yes,writing the stuff down and really tracking the data. You know, I feelconfident going into a look metal match up with Peak Rom. So that wasjust something I learned and something I thought was pretty interesting. And another andI always say it's like the people that a coach like. Write the stuffdown. It just is going to help you in the long run, likeyou feel like certain things are bad, but maybe in reality they are.Yeah, for sure. And we've always talked about like the value of recordingon the cast, and I think that it goes to show here. Ithink my numbers largely agree with yours. I found most matchups to be fearwhy? I personally have one. A ridiculous amount of Peak Roum Yours?Yeah, don't. I've lost. I've played, I think I didn't dolike a calculation before this, but I've played around twenty peak rom mirrors andI've lost two of them, one of them to you know. That's that'sepic. I don't know what's going on the Pika from here, but something'smessed up. That matters really favorable for Pek Ram. Yeah, and yeah, my numbers otherwise have been pretty much in line with yours. Yea,I did. And I've thrown five random keys at Luke Room. That's well, just what I'm kind of bored. The car metals like the ultimate likeI don't really feel like paying attention deck. It just really that's interesting that yousay that, because I feel like...

...it's the most like of all thedecks and current standard. That's the most that I don't have to it's likeyou don't do a ton on the individual terms with the car my metal.So it's like yeah, sure, I can just you know, I canattach and hit and shepherd store and then do something else and then come backand play it like the terns themselves. Might be thoughtful and like the Games. I'd be longer, but it's like not a lots happening either, soI can just kind of like zone out. Sure, that's not bad. ButI did really well my little car loo game, so that's awesome.Decking out the Desi unons of the car me metal. That's always such agood feeling. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So what? Yeah,anything else that you kind of took away from this player's Cup? ThatI took away that atnt has some issues, for sure. Yes, it's beenkind of like that at my apartment for a while, but yeah,like it didn't happen much during the years to so something, something changed inthe water out here. Outside of that, though, I mean I think ultimatelythe message is the same one that I've kind I've been saying for awhile, and that's a you know, stick with what you know and whatyou like, and that's where you're going to find your success. I mean, I see all sorts of decks every different round of these events in thePlayers Cup. Actually, one thing I observed that I'll just call out brieflyas I've seen a lot more ATP the later we've gone into the Players Cup. Yeah, I've barely seen any ATP. I said this last week. Ibarely saw any ATP up until like a couple days ago when I startedrunning into like every round. Basically, I think people now are like Ihad to finish my games fast, so like my head can by turn toyeah, it's kind of my head cannon. But you know, I've seen andI've seen in the finals pretty much every deck you could imagine. That'sin the metagame, though. You know, play what works for you and playit well, and that's really, I think, going to be thekey in this format. Like playing at deck really well that you enjoy isgoing to serve you better than kind of not fully going in with a deckthat maybe doesn't work as well, even though it's like maybe a better deck. Sure, sure, yeah, absolutely. I'm not say there aren't like tearswith X. Literally a lot of them can find success on the rightright. So I mean, overall it's been fun. Fifty keys is alot, but I enjoy like the Players Cup experience. I enjoyed it forplayers cut to. I enjoyed it for players cut three. I'm really Ithink the hardest part is kind of like getting going. Once you hit likethat Groove, I feel like it's eat yeah, finish them out. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. It's been a great tournament. I'm happywith how things are finishing up. I'm going to plan on doing a littlebit of a write up over on twitter, so if you're interested in kind ofhearing like fleshed out thoughts on the player's Cup, then definitely don't missthat. But yeah, let's move on to our next topic. Riley,got some new cards that have been released. I think the most exciting ones thebird trio. We got some new bird trio cards that are that aregoing to come out, Galerian Articuno, Galerians APTOS and Galarian multracity. Sowhy don't you talk about maybe a little bit about each of the cards andwhat's what's your favorite of the three? Yeah, so let's go just godown the line and briefly touch on the actual effects of these cards and theirattacks and what they do. So laring Articuno v has the psychic construct,and granted, this is all translated from Japanese, so this may not bea hundred percent accurate arts, but glaring Arcunov has psychic construct. So onceduring your turn, you made this card two cards in your hand. Ifyou do draw one card and has an attack psyche beam for psyche dela calistas, one ten damage and confusion. GLARIANS APTOS V is fighting type withthe fighting instinctability. For each pokemon fee x cost one colorless less and thenfor fighting a triple colorless. It does thunderclap kick for one hundred and seventydamage and discard special energy before doing damage. So, for example, weakness card, it can pierce through that. We'll talk about the obvious implications ofthat in a second. And then we have glary Moultra's fee with bolstered wings. So basically once for turn you can do a dark patch on Tumultus andthen it has orburn for one hundred and ninety damage the thirty recoil. Sostarted from the top. Then with Articun no, think ARTICUNA is probably themost underwhelming of these cards, but I think it's still pretty cool. It'spretty well designed, to my opinion. Yeah, like I think I whenI tweeted about how much I liked the...

...bird cards, one of the responsesI got was, you know what's really so appealing about articun no? Youknow it's pretty costly and you draw one card have. The counterpoint to thatis I think if it drew two cards or if it was discard one,draw one, it would just be so, so good right like it. Sohe's so applicable. I think the discard to draw one might not seelike immediate obvious play. It's a great bench there, though, especially anexpanded where you can like probably an egg or maybe two. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Expanded is absolutely where I look at articuno like shining. Youknow, it's just that extra draw. I mean, if you're going toplay as or arc deck or something thing like, you might as well playthis. Or if you play really any deck that has at least one egg. I would say because a like you mentioned, discard one, draw onewould be really good. So discard to but if you discard an execute,they can just keep getting back like that seems very strong. Yeah, it'sa great Ben Sitter in any deck that plays an egg. Also, ifyou play instructor Ranguru, this kind of pairs really well with it. Sowhen you get those end to low situations, if you get end to one,you will typically you'll draw your card for turn two cards. So youcan just discard both of those if they're not what you need. Draw onecard and then draw more off of a ranger is so like there's some actuallike wool uses. They're cool combos you can get going. So I likeit. I think it's better and expanded than standard, but I would besurprised if it never stopped playing standard. So we get the we get thecricket tune and that kind of leads me. You're talking about a Rangaru and likethe combos that you can have with other bench sitters. And so thereis this new cricket Tun which is very reminiscent of another very good or rangGuroo, that could draw your hand, you know, up to three orwith the Cricketoun if it's active, it can drop the flour but that isanother kind of obvious use synergy there with the new cards that are having out. So I mean I called out instructing expanded. Is the same Combo here? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So. So, yeah, I like articyou know, a lot. I think it's again, I think it'sprobably the most underwhelming of the three, but by no means is bad andI think it's well designed to I would have been I think it would havebeen unhappy if it was more powerful the ability than it is now. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think discard one, draw one would havebeen okay. Discard to draw too might have gotten a little ridiculous because youcould have, you know, for on your bench and then you're just gettinga little insane. But as it stands again, very balance and I thinkwe're looking at I mean pokemon is always kind of been about resources, butcertainly now in the in the current standard, like I find that I'm generally wantingto hold onto resources and like a crew that big hand. So discardingtwo is often not like you have to make some difficult decisions sometimes, especiallyin the early game. So interesting card, really cool. Can't wait to seehow people use it. But let's move on to the second bird.I think probably the one that is has the most obvious use, and thatis Sclarians aptose. We yeah, so is apts again, that one hundredand seventy damage and reducing the cost. Obvious use case there is knocking outit. Turn it is so turns v Max, having that three hundred fortyhealth weeked up fighting. So the math is pretty much exact there, andthey can't play a single weakness card to get around it either, because Aptoiswill knock it off before doing damage. Yeah, like it seems like avery obvious like this is the counter card to a turn. It is.and honestly, like I was trying to think, because normally these cards likethis, there's usually like some kind of reasonable way to play around it,like the low puney and Jigglie puff. Yeah, you know, you couldkeep your p Kurram down to a couple gx has and be fine. Idon't think it turn it. This really has that same luxury, though,to be honest, like if you just have an at turns and at backupat turn of this and one grow bad, then that's enough. Right. Soit's pretty cool. I mean it'll it turns. Will probably be forus to play like big charm or something. I mean, any deck that playsfighting energy or Aurora energy, I don't really see a reason not toplay this. It's just such a good card and honestly, like one hundredand seventy four, even like two, is pretty good against decks that justhave like an elder goths and a crow bat on their bench. Yeah,yeah, that's a that's a great point. Well, it wouldn't, you know, be as impactful. Obviously against none fighting week decks, but still, yeah, like you said, one hundred and seventy for like one ortwo discard energy. Like yeah, I mean I'm just thinking like in termsof splashable attackers for fighting. You've been like really bad recently. So yeah, sure, for sure. For sure, the having like a quick and easylike one hundred and seventy eight maybe or maybe less, is in stillvaluable for fighting decks in general outside of like the splashable tech. Yeah,definitely. Do you do you think that...

Glarians AP those brings up any complicationsin terms of like power creep or anything like that? Because, as we'retalking about it, like they just printed a card that is going to prettymuch like end the turn it is in one attack, and it's just kindof funny to me thinking about their thought process with the turn its being likeokay, we have this you know, I don't know if it turns,is a legendary Pokemon, but this like, you know, the ultra powerful pokemonand you know, we want to really highlight it and give it thiskind of prominent place in TCG. And then they just come along and arelike yeah, okay, that was fun. You know, colossal didn't do enough. Let's let's make this basic pokmon that just one shots it. Soare there any kind of power creep issues that you feel are inherent behind acard like z APP those that's just like a one card exact counter to amajor deck? I mean, I don't think Zap dos is really the exampleof power creep we need to look at right like I think Zash and isthe ultimate our creep card, and then it turn it this is also likea pretty power creepy kind of card. So I mean pokemon is historically hadthese kinds of counter cards. Maybe not we're as cheap or maybe its notas simple to use, like you know, a good example in years past.There are others, but you have stuff like the like the mewtwo againstBuzzwal was kind of like a soft counter, but that require a choice ban additionto energy attachment. Usually right, though. But then he also hadlike the new ex which kind of fills the same role, like for oneattachment for a two price or U Ko it price pokemon. So I don'tthink it's like two power creepy and in theory attorneys can play around it.In practice I don't think it will be able to, but at the veryleast you're giving up to prizes when when it gets Koed and you're dedicating attachmentto it. So you have to still scrounge up another. It turn isknock out because, like, presumably, what the I guess the game flowhere is that you know your turn. It is vmax will knock something out. If it's addrative, they're knocking you out with his AP does so,and now you seem to take like one more knockout. So right. Soin theory, you know, I don't think it's going to be like totoo crazy, but it's a nice option for those decks. I just needlike a little more moof they get through a turn this. Yeah, yeah, definitely, I think it's a I think it's fair. Generally, Ifeel like it. Maybe, I mean for a turn it dis players.It's going to feel. They're going to definitely feel that when this curd comesout because, like you mentioned, it's just very splash. Well, it'sjust like yeah, that one card tech, that it. You know, goodbyeto the whole archetype. So I generally don't like that. I wishthere was like one more way for a turn. It is to do somethinglike maybe if this APP doos didn't have that discard or special energy, ormaybe if this APP those did like ten less damage or something like that.But I mean it's very clear that they printed this with the turnus in mindand this is the way that they want to take the game, and I'mnot terribly mad about it. It's just, I will say, the fact italso discards the special is like, yeah, Dang, this is likeI'm purpose for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely definitely targeted aggression.So very funny for sure. I mean at the very least, Imean I think attorneys is kind of choked out, like some like to pricedecks and three price decks. So yeah, I mean, hopefully SAPTOS will givethem more of a I mean look at I mean you know when Galarian'saptose comes out, you know we're closer to a rotation as soon as ATPgoes like this is kind of we're seeing that they're introducing these very powerful Vcards to prisers, you know, taking maybe a little bit of the strengthaway from three prizers and hopefully creating more turns, like we talked about earlieron the cast for decisionmaking. So I think that's generally a good thing.So that's Glarian's Aptose V. Let's talk a little bit about Galerian Moultras v, which I find pretty interesting as well. Yeah, some Multras V is,I mean the dark patch on inabilities. Obviously going to find some applications whereI a little disappointed that you can only use one bolstered wings per turn, so you can only use one multras ability for turn. Didn't really feellike that seemed necessary to me, but it is what it is. Atthe very least it's a new tool for either dark box decks, so kindof like we vi all focused decks and standard and those have kind of likethey've crept around a little bit here and there. So maybe maybe you'll focusmore on we vile and Multrius instead of like a hydragon kind of engine.Sure it's also a great option for like a turn is decks that use wevile getting around crushing hammer. I mean...

...this is like the counter to that, that strategy. So that's also really cool. And then an expand.It has the obvious application of being another sploshible tech in a dark box togive them a free energy attachment, which they love. So yeah, right, absolutely, absolutely. I think you nailed it on all fronts. Squareand Multras one to watch out for. I like it as kind of aan energy accelerant that is an off an attack. I mean we talked aboutthis earlier on the cast. Like all the Energy Excel, for the mostpart, is oft an attack. Power Excel, Boltons, electrify, youknow, ATP AL to create or ATP yeah, whatever, that attack iscalled a Jeez, Luis, it's like my brain is fried. But allthese, you know, off the attacks, and so it's nice to have thiskind of an energy acceleration that, you know, we have metal saucer, I guess right. We have frost moth, I guess, but justgiving more decks, more opportunities and something that's a little less. You know, I'm more similar to that at metal saucer type acceleration, but can beused by a lot of different things. So I'm looking at things like vkavolt. You know, maybe you get Glarin moultrass in the discard and thenyou bring it back, get that dark energy and energy switch it. Youknow, that could be kind of cool. Or you do something like you withthe new slowbro the glarian slow brow or slow king that's coming out.You'd can do the same thing and do some fun stuff there. So Iknow Glaren ultrassie. I like them in it. It's a little more splash. Will obviously that's something like a metal saucer which has to go onto ametal pokemon. Be like this could kind of work with those colored and colorlessenergy attacks that some pokemon have. Yeah, absolutely, I mean that's a great, great point. You have like that energy switch Combo to accelerate thethe one colorless kind of attacks a little bit, which is obviously valuable.Yep, that'll said. We'd be your miss to not talk about some ofthe other cards which were revealed, I think, pretty much the day afterour cast last weeks. So yeah, I know. I kind of stinksthat were that we missed a lot of these because they would have been greatstuff to talk about last week. But we got some new cards here.We got a blaze a Kin v Max which has a clutch attack does sixtyfour one energy A. I do like those low cost attacks on the vMax's and then a double sec attack Max plays hundred and thirty attach an energycard from you're just card piles up to two of your bench rapid strip pokemon. I assume what that translation. It means. You know you can attachone that each of them. We have a very interesting card in the NTELLIONRiley. This untiliend does twenty damaged one of your opponent's Pokemon, very reminiscentof the decidual gx that we had from a few formats ago. Any interestin this card from your perspective? I do have interest in this card andwhat I think it's cool is you know you don't rap a strate pokemon.Don't have to evolve from rapid strike POKEMON. Yeah, so I could easily seethe Intelli on being like a splash in like stage two decks, likeyou can use the drizzile to get your rare candy for your other stage twoand then just get out like their rapid strike and Italian and start sniping likedecidual. I I doubt that it will see a dedicated deck like decidual.I did a because I think twenty damage isn't what it used to be andbe it doesn't really have the same like kind of support around it like todry had either nine tails gx or it had bioplumed kind of like lock yourpponentsdown or snipe really heavily. There's not really that same thing for Intellian Yep. But I think the card is really cool. I think it'll find nitchplay and you know, I got even a shadow like all these rapid strikeand single strike cards look super cool as well, and I'm always yeah,we're talking about the art on the sobble was doing like a meditation thing undera waterfall. It's pretty pretty interesting. But yeah, I I generally Igo your sentiments where it's like I it's going to be hard to see intelling on in its own deck on the same level that a decidual I wasin the pastor's because decidual I had better attacks relative to the HP at thetime. You know, obviously the ability was better relative to the HP atthe time and had a nice gx attack that could get it out of somepretty tricky situations. But you look at the whole line, you know,it's very obvious to me that they are envisioning this card is being part ofthe metagame because they have, you know, the sobble has a continuous call attack, a very nice set up attack for for a basic and you knowthe Intelli on has like a double CC energy attack costs. So I thinkthey're kind of envisioning this card having some of that utility, like you mentionedthat and very important to bring up. Yeah, doesn't need to involve evolvefrom a rapid strike pokemon. So that...

...drizzle. We could play the thesearch trainer out drizzle and it can still evolve into the rapport strike and tellingyou. So very cool stuff from pokemon. A very encouraged by this, bythis pokemon line in terms of the card design. Coming down into theGALERIAN slow king. We mentioned this on earlier, but I am very intriguedby Galaryan sloking be with the doom word. It says the defending pokemon is knockedout at the end of your opponents next turn. So obviously there's thatkind of caveat that you have to weight a whole turn for your opponents Pokemonto get knocked out, but there are certainly situations where that can be extremelypowerful. It's just the defending cookemon is knocked out. So it could bea one prizer, it could be of emacs, you know, it couldbe anything over on your opponent side of the field and if they don't retreator switch it out of the active is gone. What do you think abouta card like glarious looking be Riley? Yeah, doom word and similar attacksI've never super impressed me, especially in this format in particular, where swhichis probably the highest it's been played in years. Sure, that said,it's still really cool. It also has a really interesting vmax which it goesall in on the poison strategy, placing twelve damage counters per turn with MaxTocsin. And it's got that REB galerians looking look too, which, yeah, and these are awesome. I love these two cards because, I mean, you look at again, like the card design is very encouraging to me. You have three attacks that are all, like, very usable in certain situations. You got the glorious looking vis first attack, got to draw yousome cards, get that early game set up. You got the doom word. That's going to be pretty good, I think, like generally most ofthe game, but maybe in the late game you can get a reset stampor something put your opponent into kind of an awkward situation where they have tomake weird decisions. Yeah, like you said, maybe not the most playablejust in the sense that there's a lot of switch out there in a lotof bird keeper and Malow and Lana and scoop of nine and things like that, but still just like a usable attack can knock out anything. I thinkthat's always very valuable, especially for to energy. And then the v MaxPretty Powerful. You got some poison stuff going on. Again, the switchesare going to be really important against a glarious looking v Max deck. Butif you can get that to stick, maybe you get out a you know, if something that augments poison damage, something like the the the Tox Croakeline, then you know, hey, you're taking knockouts coming back into yourturn, which is always really a powerful love to take knockouts coming sure toalso is the beatral line and BEA droll knocked out a pokemon that has anyspecial energy attached to it. But I think the cards that have drew Ireally drummed up the most ape or discussion, I guess you could say I havebeen the trainers, in particular the echoing Horn Card, rapid strike item, but US really have any relation term happid strike in particular. It's justa rapper strike item. So you can search you with activity, I guess. Yeah, and what it does is it puts a basic pokemon from yourponise discard pile onto their bench. So it's just target whistle, but rapidstrike. And so the implication of that, if you're listening, I think,should be obvious, and that's that ATP can put Dednne or crow getback onto her bench and win the game without you've inventing it. So,you know, playing around Ma while is now become more difficult than ever before. Yeah, it's kind of absurd. I mean I think you probably justgo into echoing horn instead of mom while in ATPDX right, like it seemslike maybe a better option because you, you know, are almost forced toin this current state of the game to play those support Pokemon, so mightas well just get it back from the discard pile. Yeah, I meanmy wiles like so good, and I think the threat of it is alsoenough to force them to discard things, right. So I mean even thinkingof like the Decidu why kind of decks, right where they'll try and like thinout the basics, so you don't know, while them you just echoingfor them. Yeah, yea. And the card seems really good. I'mcurious to see like what kind of counts will make it into ATP. AndYeah, you know how you used because, like he's single count items just aren'treally going to do it in my opinion, like you're going to needto play multiple of them. Yeah, the only real single count item thatwe currently have would be reset stamp, you know, and most of thetime you'll see it in a two count. But I will just say sands ATP. I don't really think that there's a deck that would want to playechoing horn. Target Whistle was generally not that played like throughout pretty much it'sentire existence. You had some, you...

...know, expanded Shenanigans that you coulddo with it, and it's certainly like shown in the expanded format. But, like you said, when you're not re using the card, when youdon't have other cards to really get it back regularly, then it becomes alittle bit less impactful on the game. Yeah, I mean there might besome kind of stall strategy that uses it or sure something of the like,but chewing down to screams ATP when you look at it, it certainly does. Certainly does. Moving on to Karen's conviction. This is a supporter foragain single strike. During your turn, your single strike Pokemon's attacks do twentymore damage from your opponent's active Pokemon for each prize card your opponents already taken. So a potential to add another hundred damage on top of what you're alreadydoing is very reminiscent of another card for the past, Iris, so irisramped up for sure. Yeah, it's very cool. How do you thinkthat this will factor in to the metagame? Do you like this card at all, and do you like that they boosted that that damage? Doubly.I think the damage definitely need to be increased for it to be viable fromIris, and I also I would hate to see like supporters, especially justget reprinting with a different name outside of those like draw three supporters. Youknow, I like what they're doing now as well, with like the researchoff those orders in car. Yeah, absolutly think I think Karen's conviction isokay. I don't think it's like fantastic. I think overall the single strike pokemonhave just been kind of less I've been more underwhelming rather than and thethe rapid strike pokemon. I think the one hit Ko kind of vibe they'regoing for is just as easy gived as, like the really consistent vibe the rapperstrike is going for. I will say, though, the one thingI like about Karen's conviction is also the introduction of a new single strike itemwhere the welcoming lanterns. So you get to retrieve a single strike supporter fromyour just Carr Pile and put it in your hand, so that let's cardslike Karen's conviction, where they might be a little more niche in their use, be re setting more consistent right like. They get that you can use themmultiple times, where if you discard an early game you can use itin late game. Yeah, the super cool I think the welcoming lantern akabssecret two point O is really the Saber Savior of cards like Karen's conviction.Absolutely couldn't agree more there. We have one last trainer, Rapid Strike Brawleysearcher deck for up to three rapid strike basic pokemon and put them on yourbadge. Important to note that, at least with this translation, doesn't sayyou know Non v Pokemon, so presumably you know you could get a bunchof v Pokemon, which you know is interesting. I mean it only searchesout those rapid strikes. So certainly a big help to those style decks.Yeah, and you you can tea. You see that kind of theme whereit's like the single strike is about having some crazy ballistic turn and the rapidstrike is about having like consistent and the consistent set up and parents. Yeah, and I think y'all should know which is which of those two. Youand I like more. I mean super cool overall. I think the singlestriking rapid strike was a really cool idea. I'm going to be sad when itcame and it never really gets dropped in like one set. But yeah, I know this is going to fizzle out because I think there's a lotof cool like combos that they're obviously setting up, you know, pretty inherently. But yeah, we'll have to see how this that goes down. I'mcertainly intrigued at the at the car design, I mean just what we talked abouton the cast. There's a lot of good things happening and I hopethey continue to make, you know, basics that have good attacks that evolveinto evolutions that have good attacks or good abilities, and then I hope theycontinue to print these very, at the very least, intriguing options for itemsand supporters. Very well said. Yeah, so you on the account for aresingle and rapid strife battle styles that coming out here soon. It's goingto be Super Fun and the cards all look really, really cool. That'sone thing that's con across all of these. Let's change position, though, intoa little bit of a blast from the past. That take a lookat our card of the day. So for car the day. This weekit's Pokemon Week. You know, the the big anniversaries coming up at theend of the week here, the twenty five anniversary Pokemon, and with thatI wanted to fall back a little bit. So this pokemon week, especially ina lot of like brewing hype around the Gen for remakes and for gettinga lot of spotlight pokemons. Going to do this thing for the last eightdays, or I guess not the last but the eight days leading up toPokemon Day. For every day they've tweeted out like the starters from that generation. So on the eighth day they tweeted...

...out the JEN eight starters, andseventh day that Janet Seven, and so on, and the Gen four starters. First off, they started the tweet with let's go, which kind oflike maybe implies are doing a let's go game, but secure off that.We got so much interaction compared to the others it was insane. The Jenfour is really on people's minds right now. I was also biking a gen four. That was like kind of my school bus game when I was inmiddle school. Yeah, it's very fond memories are going underground and playing withmy friends. They're though. I wanted to pick a gen for starter.At first I was thinking maybe on the fire side, but the gen fourstarter I settled on is one of my favorite pokemon actually, and this cardis just so the and it's Turtwig gl I love that card. Everyone lovesto. I feel like everybody loves her WIG GL. It's such a coolcard. It's the art is dope. He's just so angry and ready tofight and it's so for the unaware, turtwig GL is a JIM leader Pokemon, so an SP pokemon from the diamond and Pearl era. So it wasa basic but it was it didn't evolve, it was just turt wig. Ihad nine HP, which is a lot more than you expect to haveon a Turtwig and it had the overgrow ability where if it's HP depleted belowsixty, it did thirty more damage. And you'll see how that all tiestogether with its attack, Giga Drain, which does thirty damage, which onits own maybe not too crazy. But after you attack, you get toheal Turtwig gl for the same amount of damage that you did. So theCombo there is pretty obvious, where TURT WIG will continue to like fall belowsixty, but then it does sixty damage and it heals back up. Soit's just such a cool card. It saw some niche use and a bunchof decks. There are people who play their own dedicated TURTWIG GL decks.It's just it's so awesome and the art is just like all timer for that'slike a amazing pokemon card. Yeah, well, you know what? It'sso funny because I looked at that and I was like, AH, thislooks like one of my favorite artists of all time, and turns out itis. So I was just looking at the artwork from from Kanako Eo andthat's the artist that does this and she does a bunch of our gold soulsilver era. I mean she did she's doing a lot of car I thinkit's she, but they are doing a lot of cards from from heart,cold, soul silver era, and especially the supporters. So like the copycatsupporter is her, as well as this turt wig. And let's see,there's one other one. The twins supporter is also her. I see that. Yeah, there's some other thing. But the thing I love about herart style, and you'll notice it if you look at her Pokemon, ofpokemon carts, but generally speaking they're all on a tilt. Go back throughand go on the POKEMON website and look at her or their stuff. Sorry, I keep saying her, but look at their stuff and you'll see thatthey always put their pokmon on this like slant. Well, it's not always, but it's like seventy percent of the pokemon are on a slant. Itjust it's very interesting because as soon as I realized it, like I couldn'tunsee it. That's pretty cool and I also when I think of their art, I think of very bold lines but with soft colors, kind of YEP, and at Turt wig definitely has that going for it. A great card, great art, Super Fun to play and it but he's a big boyas while I got three or cheek cost so it just so so salve.For Turtwig, I love the TURTWIG line. Honestly, it may come as controversialtake, I think the PIPLUP line is my least favorite of the Jenfor Auger's. Yeah, yeah, I can't. Can't agree with that.Are you can't see your least favorite then is it Turtwig? It's like no, because I like Tur Twig, but I think the the worst final EVOhas to be Tortara, for Tara is so cool. Okay, well,I agree to disagree. He's got like a zen garden on his back.Kind of a weird thing, though, think about it. It's cool.Okay, well, agree to disagree. You got a fire monkey. That'spretty sweet. You gotta Penguin, like. I think penguins are pretty cool.I think the Gen four start is overall we're pretty cool. I justhave a fondness for the CHURCHWIG line. I don't know, I think infern it might be like my overall most favorite, but Turtwig in particular justrocks. That's fair, like turtle.

This is really cool. Yeah,definitely, definitely a cool one. For sure. He does have one ofthe most underwhelming second stages, though. And grottle. Yeah, grottle canGott I can eat it, man gottles. That's it's definitely pokemon. That neverneeded to be made. Rattle is not great. Well good, I'mglad you brought that card up because that also brings that great memories. Iused her twig a lot in my high school pokemon card deck, so that'svery fun. There you go. So that's really all we had today,so feel free to drop any questions in the chat here if you want usto address anything there. Rojw, now that you've gotten more preview into battlestyles, is there anything that you're particularly excited to try out coming into battlestyles? Like for the for the meme potential, I mean the more dream I wasthinking about the I was thinking about the Glarians Slowbrow v with that doom, that doom attack. I just I always like trying to make that workbecause you know that there's going to be some player that puts them into alike put themselves into a very bad spot where they don't find a switch andthen you doom moordom and they just get knocked out and like that's our onlyattack her and then you just keep doom wording and like you just win thewhole game and you don't actually do any damage. I just that's that's thedream, and I can tell you're very excited about doom word. Oh,I am. They've been to tell you like that before. I think itis doomed count on Appshole. Yeah, it was on an Asshole, Ithink, but for some reason I I remember that being a little more expectpensive. Maybe it was still just two, but it was three. I wasgoing to say I thought it was three. So it made it alittle harder to get out. Or No, doom news is too but you hadto put the energy into your hand. Oh, that was it. Yeah, so it's not. It wasn't very reusable. Yeah, see,the thing about the glare and sloking is, like you could potentially tank this boy, like you could take a hit right, like you could put acaper toughness or something on them, so you could at least try to geta couple of doom words off, which seems pretty reasonable to me. Liketo Duram do words per sloking. I think you're I think you're doing goodthings. We can do that. Well, I think so. Yeah, wegot Wallace, six nine and sixty nine and chat asking any battlestyle stuffthat has expanded potential. None of its honestly jumped out too much to me. For expanded in particular, I wouldn't be surprised. I guess the Ershifuv Max saw some sort of expanded play, like strong energy on the pitching attacks. kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, that would have been thethe answer for me as well. None of these are really that strong andexpanded or they're like maybe effects that we've already seen in the like. They'rea lot of these are kind of reprints of older cards that are currently inthe expanded format. You know, I look at like and telly on rightas being like classics is example, or like Karen's conviction, you know,something like that. But those are already effects that we kind of have andthey don't make that much of an impact at least. So probably not thinkingthat these will impact watching the expand of format, but you never know.You know, that's cool thing about printing new cards is like there's always thepossibility. They're always is the possibility. I agree, and I think Ialso am hearing that there's a possibility that you, listener, will be followingus on our social media platforms. So if that is possibility in your future, be sure to check out at smiles with Riles, at Real John Walterand at tag team Pokemon on twitter and leave a rate in review on yourfavorite podcasting platforms. Feed the algorithms for us. They're hungry, they arevery hungry, and it does us a great service. I've been noticing alot more, all more people just follow the cast. I send that shoutout for the Linkedin and the it was actually really cool to do that becauseI got to interact a little bit with some of you guys just messaging meand hey, like, Hey, I listen to the cast, like loveyour show and all that, and that's just really, I don't know,makes me feel good and like gives me more energy to keep going. Sonot that I was thinking about quitting, but, like, you get theidea. Just, you know, makes you feel good. So thanks forreaching out, guys, and and continue to do so. Thank you allso much for listening. As always, we appreciate you and we will catchyou all next week. He's see you.

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