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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 25 · 8 months ago

3-25. Cupdates and Shining Fates

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back to discuss their progress in the Players Cup, as well as give a glimpse for whats to come for Pokemon. Essential listen for any Players Cup competitor!

Yo, what is thup guys welcome back totag team, the POKMON trading card games, premier podcasting duo. My name isRiley hovert joined, as always by my serondipitous friend, Mr Jtw K wall jwHo You d today, probaly I'm doing. Okay, man, yeahgotin classes is kickin my butt, but work eoh. No, no! You know my myyounger sister she's, a freshman in college. She just he facetimed me inthe middle of the day today to ask for some for some coding help. Oh yeah,what did what was she working on? I guess: She's look in an inthoout, aprogramming class he's working on some sort of like Google triface putinglanguage. I don't know if you've ever heard of it buthat's the language called. I don't.I don't remember what it's called. She told me verballyand not over textGotchom, but it was in Google drive and it was pretty simple stuff like she wasdoing it', a very simple, like antlan program like series of nested, like if statementswith conditional logic and stuff like that Sur and but I thought it was funny likethat she a is like working on this at all, because I didn't really take it assomething that shed be necessarily interested in Yeah Anb, like my sister, is like beingcoding at the same time as you yeah yeah, it's all in the family yeahexactly over crewalk iglomerate. That's right!That's right! So good stuff, good stuff, what's been going on with you reallykind of the same like so the project I've been working on fora while again is wrapping up at the end of the month. So it's really in likehectic mode all hands on deck. My portion of the product I feel likeis in a pretty good spot, but yeah so kind of my role right now is also liketrying to get everyone else to good spot or like reassuring them and 'mkind of being like a positive force almost which can be really stressful, becausepeople are very upset right now in general, think Iwoul know a lot of that.Like pre live ingxity kind of like pretournament anxiety, you know yeahyeah, exactly do people feel like they haven't been holding up their end ofthe bargain or no, I think I mean I feel confident in what we'redelivering okay granted. I don't have it's impossible for me to have like afully informed hundred percent view of everything, that's gone on, but sureYouknowi think we're going to do something. Good, no yeah, okay! Well,that's that's good! I mean, if you feel confident in it, then I guess youprobably don't have like too much stak in it right, like you're, probably notfun. I definitely a sname in the game really but you're not taking like thefull. You know the full heed. If it's a Gian, USTER fire sure yeah, I mean myjob is o is to help them out if it is but not necesseally trouble for oranything unless it's my area, it's really critical right, but yeah. Soit's pretty cool. I also did a trivianight yesterday, andtrivia nightsalways kind of embarrass me because I just don't have the right knowledge formost trivian nights. You know like I'm, not super of culture, wise,I'm not the super. I don't know a ton about like history, so like the kinds of things that likeappear on Trivia like there's, never a lot of like sciency or engineering or pokem on or video game type, Qu,there's never that kind of stuff. So I always feel really down on Tribunnie.True True Yeah Yeah, it's Trivian nights is just like you had to have alot of knowledge, but not like very deep yeah. Exactly that's what I alwaystell my friends is like you need Ayou need people with like a differentbreath of knowledge, right yeah and the questions. Usually, if you're familiarwith the topic, the questionbe pretty easy, but it's the fact that not everybodyknows the topic that makes it hard Yeah Se. I feel like I'm generally good atTrivia, really yeah generally general yeah. Ifeel like, like I feel, like I'm a good component of a trivia team, but notvery good, at Trivia Outright Atcha. You know I hear you now. It is what it is. I gotanother week under our belts, tholgl a lot of going on in the pokimon world.No, let's just start off with some excitingnews, so coming right up here at the end of the month. I think it's actuallylike the midnight for Pokemon Day right that this is happening. Yeah February,twenty sevent yeah. So on Pokemon Day there is going to be a concert and theheadliner is not someone I would have expected. Yeah Andi, I am shocked, so pokmon isgoing to be bringing in post Malone for...

...a special pokemon theme to VirtualConcert. yess. It's I mean I just never want is expectedsome of my face. Tattoos still like Oever, like Hartof cokers, on brandingright. So here's the thing man, I think, what they probably did. They probablylooked up like who is the most well known artist.That's twenty five years old is Postbalas iistwive, Oh wow, yeahyeah. I research this so he's twenty five he's, probably the you know.Arguably the Marqui twenty five year old artist. Did you look up like all ofthe twenty five year old artist Ti like kind ofo, cosception, yeah yeah? Let melet me do let's see music. Oh artist are twenty five. Now, let's see I'll, keep looking I'll, keeplik sure and the reason I askd, as I feel likepostpalone, was way bigger like two years ago, not that young big still,but I feel like people were all about postmalone like two years ago. Maybethree yeah, I don't feel like it's got that samt manage that's fair, that's fair! Not that Ihate non POSTMALOM HE'S EXPINEEA! Now I mean I don't know it's kind of coolthough it is cool. It is super cool and I'm sure he'll do a good job likepostpones on he's a pretty nurdy guy as y understanding yeah. That's that's howI kind of m to he's got this kind of like kind of a hard front and then likea really kind of like Aso fe yeah like a cheese yeah like like cheese, so yeah, I definitely. I definitely seeit man, so I'm excited for it. You know I will be uplate those nights anyway. Well, it's supposed to start atseven eastern o. There you go, I don't think it startd topoit not even mightnot even have to stay up that late Ath for some tean thought it was likemidnight or something. No, no, it's seven PM astern time. Maybe I look at Ilook a you can Qiin. I don't understand thatbecause, like okaman being on the west coast like they're starting, thisconcert before like people would get home from work like if they werek nineto five in Seattle, they're, not even going to be home by the time theconcert start. So it's I just never understood timing on thewest coast because you just seems like it's everything's way too early, likedo people havee. I was thinking about this. Do people have like data plans sothat they can listen and watch videos on their way back Tom Work? If you have an event that starts atseven o'clock on the eastern, you know eastern time zone four o'clock so likewhat are you going to do you Goinna just miss it watch it later? Maybethere's like higher dvr consumption on the west coast. EAI, don't know these are the things you think about. Imean I think of stuff, like you know, an intended directs. They hadone today, but in the past there were. There were a lot of them, especiallythe pokemon directs were often like nine am eastern or so oputting them atsix. Yeah 'd be like a am on the on the West Coast. That just seems so early.It's just crazy. How our country spans four different time zones is it. I guess it is for Yeah Pretty Wild. Well Hol. Can you do I guess yeah? What canhe? I know YESH SUCKS TO BE IN SEATTLE? I guess you know forsure for sure youknow I hate to be in California right now. I M just kidding. We have like four inches of snow five inches of snowright now, so bring on calley for sure that is. That is not all we're going totalk about today. So Post, Malone, very cool, we're very excited to see whatPokmon has in the works but bringit on into the meat of theconversations today, that is Players Cup three rileys, as your run, going we'll talk a littlebit about you know, kind of the threshold O was looking up. Some of theleaderboard stands today, but howis everything going with you Riley anplayerscup three you have finally gotten into you, know kind of thehearter. Your keys yeah had another frustrating weekend becausemy Internet kept a snack disconnecting I so I lost. I just lost a couple ofkeys which was really frustrating. I don'tknow what happened. To be honest, like I feel, like my Internet works. Fine,it always is fine. During the Workday, it's yeah. It's always fine when I'mdoing something silly but like when I''m trying to like talk with my friends or want to tringto play a game, it's always just like crashing on me. So I lost three keys.Disconnects...

...one of them wasn't was not in the firstround. The other two were unfortunate there. Otherwise, though,I'm about a third in with my keys- and I have forty five ish points right now-I don't remember af the top of my head so right now, I'm feeling prettyconfident about my ability to make it. The only problem is like my stamina,for these hes is getting kind of low, mostly because now I'm cramming them inafter the workday and I'm always so exhausted by then that hut. I don't really want to do too manyof the keys, but you know it's been pretty fun. Iveplayed mostly p Gram, which has trued me pretty. Well, I'm actually on fact about my runomundefeated in the Pikaron Mirror. So far, if ie, I think eight times andI've won all eight of them which, as pretty fun it's awesome, I I've seen barely any ADP, which hasbeen kind of interesting, really yeah, I think, is playid two thre an thats,pretty different players Cup runs, but yeah I've seen almost entirely PEKA ROMand senny scorch with actually Senis cors. An attorniis are pretty close.It's been like mostly Pekerom and Aturnitis, and Sendi Scorch, like mayberight behind atturniis and third yeah. I could just luck at my sheet sure and then a smattering of bleAfalon as well, but okay et' see onewo three four aneight yeah eight peekeromsand like six etternitis and Cenda Scorch, so yeah those are definitely the ones I'mseein, the most of the atterniis builds and I've seen two etyps in the wholeevent. So far the attorneys builds are wildlyvariable, though, like I will see an atturntis. I played two attornas isttoday that played both Turbo Patch and crushing hammer wow. Both of them endedup blue oosing because they couldn't hit switch cards, maybe related, but it was kind of frustrating to playagainst them, though, like my ponent plays the turmof hatch and like lives,tails and I'm like all right, you know were in the clear and then he plays twocrushing hammers knocks off both of my energy that I just used did ith my bolton and knocks out. My bultuckyou still won that yeah. He didn't attack therest of the game because I knocked op his eergy and started paralyzing AchaGotcha. I literally, I think the rest of my turns were like I hit one out ofmy four hammers, but that was all I needed but hit off. His second is vmaxisenergy and T. I double Yo grunted, then a alla gos for yell grunts, so he literally never attacked again nice, it's pretty epic. It was epic,but he I did have to sacrifice to Boltons to get there well, but he got there. None theless! I did.Would you say that that was one of your most exciting games in the Players Cup?Three probably, but it was like a I don't know it feels so unsatisfyingwhen your game is exciting, because your pponent is to cush it's like this is. I wish this waseasier man like yeah yeah for sure yeah, so that's kind of that's kind ofbeen. The Teem, though, is I've seen a lot of a lot of eternitists withdifferent builds. The pekerams always are pretty similar and the SENTA scorch its either likestill valley, or it's not basically yeah. Well, I'm curious with theETERNIIS. So what what's spend your record so far? Let me look at my lonces yeah, becauseI've been finding that matchup to be pretty close to, even if not just alittle unfavorable for pekaramand. I wanted to see if that was you know,true to kind of what your results would lead you to or not yeah. So I've alsofaced just a ton of different variante and you know. Certainly there are somethat have maybe a little bit better of a matcho versus virse Peakaron, butjust curious from your perspective. Yes, so I've beaten, attorneyhis four timesand lost to it three times so yeah, I seven a tern its,not the six. I said earlier so yeah, pretty close. It usually comes down tojust like a fastthe early game goes honestly YEP. I often find actually that I'd ratherin some cases, go first. I don't know if you found that, like I actuallydon't feel like that, because I feel like most of them are, are trying topower excel right now, YEP, especially in the peakeron matchup,like te Parexcel is really good toy like actively go. Second, I go secondAFEG. What your on yeah, I was going to say. I choose to go second every game,but I feel like there have been games in the past, were ive thought to MyselfHey. It would be kind of Nice to go first, because then you could threatenthat turn to tag bult, which would be a way to kind of maybeget back and like get into a game that R aggress in a game. That's otherwisereally difficult to...

...pull out if a gilt, if it goes too lateyeah I can like see it. I just if powersell is just so good into PP,I'm like and if I can force them to like waste their second turn on pawleraccelerator. I don't mind it as much wbut, I think, of the Parexol on thefirst tern than I know. I can't knock them out. The next turn right and thenthey have like two turnes is ready for two knockouts. So right, right, yeah,that's fair! That's fair! So Yeah I've had very different results in terms ofmatchips that I've faced with Pegram I've had a lot of ATP about twelve. Ithink games individual games against ATP and then sent to Scorch. Like yousaid lot of sent to scorch out there, and Ihave been seeing a lot of silv valley bariants. There was one I played thismorning. I only played one tournament this morning, but there's a sil valleyvariant. You know I was playing Peker Obso you're, obviously trying to you know paralyze them and rece thetstamp, but they played to mallow and Lana Thi ielveris cew. That yeah, Ithought for sure after the second one like that's it, you know, because ifthey can heal twice and switch twice, Ot Apparel Bralysis, you know that should be a loss forPikeron like every every day of the week, but Panis US squeaked that oneout so that felt really good talk to me about what you're afraid of in playerscou three. I think you know for me- It's been you know a Turnif. This hasbeen a pretty even to unfavorable matchup, but I felt pretty good aboutevery other. You know matchup that I face regularly: Send A scorce ATP, theMirros or crap shoot, but also luke metal. I felt really strong against forsome reason recently, but are there any other decks there that I didn't namethat Youre, maybe a little afraid of you know you mentioned playing a fewBlos sephlons. How have you been doing against those and are there any otherdecks that you just don't want to see? I've been doing a pretty well againsspue stuff on, so I'm not really worried about that. No, I think atturnes is the deck thatmakes me the most nervous when I play against it outside of maybe like I'm dedicated counterdeck like a excadril or something er outside ofthat like no, I think atturnis is the scariest matchup. It's really close andthe problem I think with Atturnis. Is You know you? You don't really have anywiggle room, whereas I feel like Pekerham can squeak out a lot of lot ofmatchups, even if it's like a little bit slower to start with, I mean evenATP like if you're able to strip an ATPF energy. Sometimes you can just get there, butit turn it Tis, especially if they play like goofy stuff like hammers, can really be scary. Yeah, although Idon't know if Hammeris is actually good, inturnthis or not. It just feels like you're plunking.After your deck, that's already kind of Hunky and like it can be yeah sure sureI do definitely prefer that kind of very streamline to turn Itto Siff, I'mgoing to include some kind of disruption. I wanted to be kind of anautomatic destruption, so I think of things like power plan or I think ofthings like the the what's that one card, dangerous drill,yeah dangelous trill, like things that are going to give me the desired effectevery single time yeah, I think definitely like I'm more, I'mdefinitely a bigger fan of a more straigmtmined version of a deck likeaternitist, and I think that goes for like any deck. With that kind ofstrategy. Like the fill the bench strategy, I prefer the deck to be as likestreamline as possible, but you know obviously the hammers will get you somewins, just the Nature Yal card, so yeah. I did play two rounds with Lecar Omammodel one I just completely swept, and it was it's because I lost aroundone tune, Atturnis with crushing hammer and I'm just like yeah, I'm mad. Now soI'v played at Lucaro Mo medal and I completely swapped I played aninturnidist another. The Car Ron, mal metal with hammers, which actually Ididn't, play the hammer so that I thought that was going to be a littlesketchy but ot to be okay. I just sounded AP planebetter than them. Honestly, yes, and then I play against an or beatle justlike the cleanest sweep you could have had. So that was pretty funny yeah forsure that's funny, and then so I was like Okay Yeah Luke metal is likelooking kind of sick right now and then I keep up again and insiantly hit sentUS Porton lose so that I'm like all right. That wasenough of that eah exactly. I honestly feel like with this metagame being theway it is. That has kind of what's allowed to turn. It is to thrive. Ifeel like lukemetal in a in a like. A known Meta is maybe a better play thanit is in this kind of random Medi, because I've just been seeing a tonossent o scorch and you know atturn, it is takes a generally favorable matchupto atturn it Tis or GN, be Jut, send a scorch but a bad matchup againstlukemetal. So I kind of feel like that...

...might be why I've been seeing you knowheightened counts of seniscorch and iternatis a WHO's to say, but it's been funthough I enjoy playing pikerom. I think it's the most fun deck in the format.To be honest, like I like the flexibility it provides, I like I like having the Mutus thing: Te Mutos,really fun adition, you know being a do yeah. I do feellike I have to make decisions when I play the deck yeah, so it's pretty fun rose. You knowsomebody can clip this and posted around on TCG twitter, but I do feellike there are some choices that you know you can make with the deck thatdrastically improve. You know overall, win lost ratio. I think of one actuallybeing like whether or not you bench certain things, so I've been findingmyself trying to bench the rideshoe and ride Chou prettyfrequently just so that I have that secondaryattacker. If I can't ever find the METU, because there have been a few gameswhere you know I have the one meet to out- and I I just can't ever seem toget into that second moutube, which is like optimal right. You want to havethe two muttus assuming your oponent doesn't play. You know power planned orMimicq, or something like that. You want to just have the Tomtus, becausethey give you the most flexibility, but there are just times where that youknow you're digging, you'R digging, you'r digging and you just don't findit, and so I've been finding myself tryingto act like actively go for the Ridt, Chunaloan Ri Ho and otherwise you knowit doesn't make sense. And then the other thing for Pikaron that I've alsobeen finding is just managing the bench. Space has been a little bit of a worrytherhave, been times where I've, like definitely overbenched unintentionally,and I don't think I ever lost a game fromoverbenching but there's been like well, I could get really screwed here. If Iyou know, if they hit the things that they need like a reset stamp orsomething, and I don't draw a hard ccount of a supporter or an energy, so yeah, those have just been a couple ofthings and obviously what to full blits onto is kid can can be interesting at times. Yoknow generally you're going to have a pretty clear route there, but I've beenfinding sometimes at it actually is better to just go aggressive put them all on the me to and just goham like them yeah for sure. So where are you sitting at right now?Jw Yeah? I am sitting currently at ninety points and I have sixteen keysto go so I'm pretty happy with where I'm at right now and I have said on thecast like if I can make it to that hundrer point mark, I'm going to behappy, no matter what happens and it looks like hundred points- is pretty close to the cutoff. I meanseriously like we are getting I'm at ninety points, and that is good enoughfor like one hundred and ninety one hundred and ninetyeth place. So I don'tknow where the division was between Players Cup, two Players Cup three, butit's seeming like that hundred points. You know we were kind of saying like Oh,you know, get to a hundred and you'll be safe, like that, I'm seeing probablycut off in the DS just just very high, compared to players Cupe to yeah. Thatis ridiculous, and we even saw that like early on that the highest pointscores were much higher than the previous one, so I don't really know what's what's it play there, I'd be interestedto see if anybody's do, like any calculations or runningy numbers to seelike what what's causing this discrepancy? Is it something to do with the Metassomething to do with the players involved? Is it just randomness? Is itthe number of players like what's going on, Yeah Yeah Yeah you'd have to thinkthat there were just more players playing right. That would be my initialthought where you know more players, presumably maybe more inexperiencedplayers, although I would I have to say I probably have only face like to likelayup matchhips, and I probably only had you know, to like players that havenoticeably misplayed against me like where I know that they didn't make theright move. So honestly, at least in my run, likeplayers have been pretty good, they played pretty good decks and yeah. I don't know that that, for me, you know there being like alower quality of player entering the tournaments. I don't know that thatwould be true for my run Yeahi. I would generally agree theclosest thing I had to like some sort of weird layup was like orbeetle. I guess like Wat's, noteven you were just playing the counter deck to it. A I also play actually playHem in the next, not the tournament after my second Lo car on my metaltournament, I keed to go Hav Bekerond my hit him again and then I beat him again but but like even then like orgudals, not abad deck. You know it's just like on...

...the fringe of the Meta. You know Ididn't play against any like weird theem decks. I feel like people HEP Ikeep seeing on twitter. Like people are like yeah, you know you hit the themedeck and then you'll play a real deck and, as like, I haven't seen anything yeah OA aet ther, my best one. My bestone was my Fourth Cup, my first fourth tournament. I played against a PikachuDeck Pik at Yuv, though I and it actually. I think I have that one onstuper tvmax is like not the worst car ever no O, but it was like PikachuVidek like they had a yellow theme deck and then they added like three PIKACHUVand I had one vmx and like one one Pika Chuns, I cram tag team yeah.There you go ind almost s one. I definitely did drew that one still manutchitout. So how are you doing Raleih? What's your? What's? Your tournamentsplayed ind total points right now, yeah, so i'Mat forty points and fifteen playdright now, Yuh, okay, great! Well, that's you'RE RIGHT OUT TRACK! Yeah!I'm not really worried about making it, especially if I don't DC anymore,because that chicke plate is including throgh DCS, so yeah exactly exactly so yeah it can bestressful. You know, I see massdave you're saying in the chat. The wholeprocess can be very stressful. Yes, that's true, you know, but we're getting own to thelast week. So if you still have tournament keyis remaining try yourhardest and Yeah Hav Fun. I mean try to have asmuch fun as you can. Honestly. It can't be stressful Li. I definitely feel thepressure to perform so for sure that is not you're, not alone in that. If youalso feel that way, all right well should be transitionover to Caro the day. I think so Raly what you got for us all right. We alsosay if you're watching live, you want us to answer your questions. Tor dropthose in the chat, so that way we can get to those at the end of the cast. My Cart of the day today is inspired. I have been watching some streams and I've seensome legacy format and, of course, you've had some expanded eventsrecently and there's one really iconic card both of thos formats, also cardthes, snearn dear to my heart. Maybe you know I'm going with this and it'sPlassan freese execute this card is just straight uplegiendary. This is the kind of effect so contacts you for those of you, maybeare young listeners to the cast. I originally the first TCG I played asUGO and Yougo like draw effects or like adding stuff,to your hand, is like pretty coveted. It's like a pretty costly thing,usually to just like add a card to your hand, so ex Kuse one of those cars when Icame to Pokeon- and I looked at it and I'm like this- is riboculous man likethis. I this thing athis things like for sure band noi also had that reaction. When I reada Professor Sycamore like this is the most Gi Sane Carda, I read my life.It's draw step an new cards. I mean, if you show that to people who play someother card games, it would be like this is not real like this is not a realcard but exicutes another one of those likeRiboculos, like Pokemon, only kind of cards yeah it's for those o you whomaybe don't know what execute does it has the propagate ability? where, ifexecute, is an your just card pile without any cost, you can add it toyour hand, that's a really powerful ability, foryou know, multipue of reasons. If you're playing like some sort ofexecutor deck, you can always have your executes. Obviously te bench but morecommonly you'll, see it as like discard fodter. So things like ultra ballthings like quickball things like trade from ZORARC or diving, draw from apoleon all reallylike this card. Additionally, in like a Zorarcdeck, it's a Frea bench sitter.So if you hat seven Pokemon on bench- and you have an execute your discardpile, you can describe that sucker out and bench that last Pokem ons you getto your damage cap, it's just such an insanely, good, Carna, so many uses when I was newer to expanded format. Ialways wanted to shove and executed to my deck and so to me, it's just super cool tosee all the different ways that you can use it. The way is it's kind of liketranscended formats that it's in you know and legacy. It's super good, junk,armd fodder, which you can play and, like I see tusuper cool and of itself and expanded. It's really good for,like ultra ball or trade, or you know Tangino or any sort of likediscardibility, and you know also in legacy of Weve Ile,which is pretty cool, and it's near near to me because execute was a keycomponent of my original swinnings. Are Art deck being able to trade for freesjust ridiculous good? So just is such a...

...cool card and I always say this ut I like it inthe pokoon TCG when, like some more niche poce on get something cool aboutthem and, like you know, like a Pokema like execute and even executor in somecases like sometimes it's hard to justify t having like an overtlypowerful like Gx Orv for them, you know it's like, doesn't really FIP thethemeto be honest, but you can find cool ways like withthese support cars and that's what that's. What I like about Popemon islike there's always a way to like make a pokemon cool and executes anothergood way to like exemplify that yeah. Exactly that's! That's reallygreat point. So, let's jump in then to our last hitfor today's and that's going to be shining fates as if you play Tggo overthe last few days, you may have caught some people playing their shining featsbosses orders. You may have caught them playing their shining feats researches,so I at's out there and officially inphysical form, is dropping on Friday. For Non Card game stores, this ispretty exciting time. You know, and a lot of people have been waiting forthis. The scalpers have been waiting for this hey've been inense outside Walmart,wait, yeah, hopefully not freezing out there.You know scappers are people too. I guess that's that scelpers are peopleto that's right SOGW. What? What are you excited forour shinyg faith? Well, you know. Sadly, it's not really a set of the player. Now we're getting anotherkind of a stinker set s hes. You know obviously very much. You know forcollectors right almost entirely for collectors, but we do get a couple ofnew cool new tools. One of them is, I think, probably thebest single card in the set, and that is the dito that has a very interestinglittle ability here. Very reminiscent of you know. Well, there was, let's see there was aDiddo in the past. That did the same thing. There was yeah yeah so anyway,the ability metamorphosis once during your torney may switchen spoke Moniwith a basic Pokemon v from your discard pile and he damage countersattached car special conditions, etce. Any other effects remain on the newPOKEMON. So I kind of see this as potentially something for you know.Evolution decks or VMAX DEX in particular to like have an extra copyof you know their their pokamon. It's kindof that thing that you could, or you know potentially like you- could play atech pokem on and get it back. I would look at a deck like potentially LucarioMal metal that would want to recycle, maybe as Ashan Orscibiazamazenta theget that back from the discard pile APM yeah, I don't know, there's just a fewnich uses. I don't think it's going to like shake anything up dramatically,but it could be the kind of thing where you know you look at a Vmax teck thatlike really needs to get out it', it's V on the first turn and it's maybea little bit slower. So I would think of like a deck like colossal. Thatalready plays for Colossal V, and you know honestly maybe would want to havethat kind of fifth copy in a sense right. You could draw into that Diovplay it down. If you don't find a colossal and then maybe you discardyour hand, and you know you had top deck the colossal right V or somethingso now you can swap it from the discard pile into play and you still thatenergy attached- and it's like you, you know, didn't miss a B. I don't knowthat would be one use that I would have for it as well, but terms of other playable cars. We don'treally get a ton there's a couple of new amazing rars, so the Eveltole that hasan auto knockout attack, O inm sertin like an absurd cost. It's ridiculous,but I can definitely see someone trying to make that work and expanded withsome bizarre Combo Yeah. I think expanded is probably where it's thatyou maybe look at standard as being a possibility with Nanu, but even then Imean it's just so hard to imagine powering it up. You know at least fourattachments, maybe three! I guess. If you see you would welder and then yeahattach a a twin and then a dark and a psychic. So I guess you could do it inthree turns potentially, but then your ponic could like completely play aroundit right because they could just not drop a a second three prize Pokemon andthen you're stuck doing you know these knockout attacks on one prize or twoprize pokemont nd. They just knock you out and all that investment is gone. Soevalsils certainly going to be something you know kind of cute. Iwould never say that it will be high to or by any means, but I'm lookingforward to it as a little bit of a meme yeah, a D. I think in terms of eamazing Raris, the most playable one in like a deck is probably still rego. Unless you disagree,...

...no, I think Rikho is probably whereit's at in terms of playable amazing Raeres, Oi, a hiohogy I guess which yeah that's.Why I sa Te consext of a deck like you can have a right. Hod Rt can drati deck yeah. It's true, that's definitely true.We also have a CAIYOGRE that I'm actually more excitedabout as an attacker. It's remiiscent to a coyoger. I've just been on a kickbecause I've been trying to update my heartgold soul, silver stuff I'll tellmaybe I can talk about that a little later in the cast, but there's a there's a like a ricoos Swecoon legend or something I forget anyway. It does like a spread damageand that reminds me of this cayoger, so this kiyoger for just a ridiculousenergy cost. Like all the amazing graer spreads eighty damage, te Cheroppontent bench Pokemon, and that is like very strong. If it justdidn't, have the crazy energy cost yeah it's definitely I a definitely strongtap. I could definitely see something like that being being viable andexpanded as well for sure for sure, Dow in shing faith. What is the ShiningCard that that you'r most looking forward to yeah the Shining Card? Imean there's a lot of really good choices. You know you look at like the you askfor shining, but like you look at the full hearts, so I just want to mentionthem real, quick, like the ball guy, I don't know. What's going on, I didn'tplay the Games so like Ballguy is such an Anigma to me all right, so so ballguys he looks like a like a like a slim Pillsbury do boy with the Pokeo all head. I just I don'tunderstand it and then you got rose. Who looks likewhy like dead Bod rose, like? Is that a thing like they I feel like they'rehighlighting, is paunch which I can relate to, but I just don't understandit, and then we of course got another Skyla card like how many of those canthey print, but my favorite shiny card. I you know besides the Ice Ce beside Iceq, a joke by the way is gotto be the the Double v, the Doublev Yeah, with the ense color. He lookssick man, it's black. It's like black and gray and white. Idon't know something about having that alternate form, be kind of the polaropposite color. I think just looks really slick. That's pretty cool yeah, so you know amongst the Nonshinese. Do you have any likeparticular standout cards? An you mentioned, the didos or anything?That's just like cool to you. Would you pick one of those full art trainers?Maybe Yeah Yeah. It probably go with one of the Flor trainers. I think like.If I had a card to collect, maybe I think the birdkeeper really justspeaks to me as like a card that, like tells a story, I don't know it's reallyjust a nice looking card. In my opinion, you get the light coming in through thewindow and he's fixing up s his little peduvf cage and that just I like it all yeah. I like the whole set honestlywhat they've done with these sword and shield base shine, seds, really strong art. I mean, I hope thatthey do something fresh and new in the future. You know after the sword andshield block concludes like I hope that Shinese go into a new direction, butwhile we've had them, I think they've been really cool and unique are forsure sure. So what about you rally anything that really catches your eye? The rallet is really cool, I'm a huge fan of Rallet as well. Ifyou're not aware so- and I like how he's kind of like angry on last, mydoes look Ali, it's like something's kind of frustrating him and I think thits, really cute shiny,Rol olters has like a nice color scheme. It's just like a very pleasant to theEy like soft kind of colors, and I thinkthat's really cool plus, I think winshard Rallitt is justa cool card. Think I think the bird keeper birdcards are just kind of cool in general. It's a interesting concept, yeahexactly in terms of non shiny cards that I think are interesting. The concept of tml towel kind of cracksme up, like I don't know having a towel for acar, it is jis. Very silly is maybe not the silliest thing e evergot as a card, but I do like that yeah. I am also a fan of Dad. Bod rose. I like how you just kind of chilling.You know on the beach just Repin reapon for all of US- well reapen. For me atleast othat's super cool. I feel like also wedoyour Miss Not to mention the Rusted Sword Card. Yeah ask the the item thepool card specifically for Zashinvisa. Let's do thirty more damage.

You know getting to two ninety with ATPgetting over this Muttus, which I guess could ard o with vitality band. But you know it's still. A cool editiongets ver the right you and write you maybe more relevantly, so I mean Janbu, you think, there's aplace for Ruston stor. We talked about this a couple months ago when it wasfirst revealed yeah yeah I mean I think so I reallydon't think it's going to be like the end a'll beal of the metal, but I thinkyou know certainly rest of sort as an option like you said, I think the mostrelevant use right now. When I look at you know, atpiece matchups would beinto Pikron. So you're able to you, know makeup the difference. If, if thePKARAM had a had a tool attach to big charm, you knowyou're able to cleanly want shot the riht Sho and a Loland ridt shoe. So Ithink those two use cases for that. One matchup probably will be included andan thiu there's one other manchip. Where Maye are more relevant and that's the Carm I motl yeah to take away that yeah. Actually,you know what fair enough I stay corrected yeah. That would be a good toovercome. You know the double minus thirty Actaly. You just have double Tusthirty Yep, the granted Thouh I mean you, do havetourbule to kind of deal with that, but same plice, tey to Peek Aroun I'll, becurious to see like what the place of rusted sort is. I feel like it's. It's got kind of Nichuse cases and current standard, and I would have to be proven wrongthough yeah I I mean it definitely doesn'tseem. You know it's not that impactful at least initially ontoyou know a Cento scorch build, for instance right. You know in arguablyyou'd rather have Itality bandsor that your ATPEK and one shot a con on shot a Heatran, but I thinkRusson sort will probably stay in that. You know one to two range, like you said you know, might also begood for the Lucario Mel Metal Matchup, and I think you know Lucario mail metalin a kind of a closed environment is always a good play. So you certainly, if fo'r lookingtotake abetter match up against that we can try out the rest of the SORTN for sure yeah I mean shining fates is exciting,whether you're a collector or a player just wants to bling out their deck.Yeah, always fun to get these little onus sets yeah, definitely, and I thinkone of the cool things about shining fates that you know we didn't reallymention, because they're not really that playable, but, like all theevolution demaxes are pretty sweet just to have that extra option. I don't knowthat they'll ever matter ever, but it's! U Kind of cute. Like you know, theCrobavy has a vmax and the said cramarant has a vmax yeah ther're, just some some cutelittle definitely somyo little things, and you know with things like memorycassule, maybe there's some options here that we otherwise didn't have, butI'm certainly looking forward to these from a from a fun fun deck standpoint.Yeah for sure, are you planning on opening any shiningface riling? I guess it depends. If I can get my hand on any right this, I guess it nows to be seen we'll seehow my target fairs. Oh, are you going to go out tomorrow, aprobably not to isn't it coming out on Friday stores? Oh sorry, sorry, I'm atFreday! Sorry, I thought was yeah yeah. I might. I might stop by between work and F. my rest. It's amazing, like you just I couldn'tfind any any hidden face. Yeah. I didn't looktoo hard. I wasn't like up at the crack of dawn, but you know I like saw. None of that instores. HIW was able to get a couple things hidden, fates, yeah yeah, I justI miss opening cards man. I really it is fine. I like smelling them yeah.Well, I speaking of cards. I was going to tell talk about e, The qee projectthat I have going on so my goal. I don't think I'm going to hit it, butit's kind of like my legacy goal for for just pokomi collecting is to fullyreve out my cube. I don't know if that's like animpossible Goa. Well, it's certainly not impossible, but how much do I wantto? You know, dump into the queue, but I'm kind of looking at it more as awork of art. So for those that don't know, I have afully like completed three hundred sixty card, hartcold, Sol silver, onlycube, and I'm just I love that artstyle and Ilove the reverse hollows from that era.

So if you haven't played that far, youknow that long ago they were just all hollow, so they didn't have any kind ofpattern associated with them or on the on the Cardos, just a FA straight likesheet of Hollow, and I just love that that was about the time I was gettinginto the game and I just have a real nostalgia for those cards. So I'm atyou know total cards, three hundred d sixty- and I have eighty five reversesright now, so I'm trying to go. I have a big Shitman Comi in this week and sothat's going to be boosted probably to that hundred and fifty. But if you haveany reverse park, gold Sol silver cards that youwant to trade or sell or you know do something with. Let me know because I'mlooking for like all the little stuff too, you know the Yanmas, the Syntequills, the you know, machabs like, etc. Etce, like I'm looking for all thatstuff for sure. That's super cool yeah. I loved your Harcatol soverce Si I liketaken. I think it's couvle. I think it's going to be beautiful. I know it'sgoing to be beautiful when it's finished, so I'm looking forward tothat yeah and it's much nicher when it's all like with reverses and stuff,when it's all uniform right like when everything is a verse, it's much betterthan wit's like a couple things yeah. No, I definitely O at least want to getOll the pokemon right, because I have you know the primes are awesome andthey, like. I think the primes are some of the most exciting artwork cards. Forme. They just have that border that sparkles and just the way the pokemon is kind of staged in the in our work, just itsreally eye catching to me. I know it's not everyone's favorite style, but I think yeah just having the reversesof the basics to go along with those amazing primes is really going to make.This thing stand up. Wat you still need to do with that cube. Is You need toput one half of a legend in there yeah? I still I stand by that. That would bereally funny. I was thinking about adding legends as like a like a base.Mechanic like you, get dealt out, one legend or something, but I don't knowhow to make them affordable because they're so expensive, yeah oexpensive,Thi Allegond, like I have a couple of them, but I would need probably the full. I wouldneed the full compliment and then you're already thinking about you know.Okay, you can't really use Hooh. You can't really use LUGIA. Necessarily I mean they're. Just thefirst ones are pretty bad, but then he got you know Riku Nte, nt Swicun SwicunAnte, and then you got dark ride. Cryselia you got Rey Quaza, Yeate, RiUASA, one right Casdioxus, which is so broken. Probably in this cu form yeahthat woul' be that would't wor. So it's like you're really likedwindling your options. I guess you have Caoo, isn't there a CIOGER andGrad on legends? I'm pretty sure there is. I don't have any CAER yeah, nothere's some sweet ones out there, but they're just they're, really expensive, IFEEL! YouMan, let's get into our questions today. We have a couple here so Manderson, sixby four five ask which is harder for you guys at letting go of your favoritedeck hats, no longer the BDIF or breaking up with a grade school,significant other. I let me see I'm trying to think aboutmy grade school, significant others like we're talking grade school likekindergarten through fifth grade. Are we talking grade school like K, ThrougTome, through Middle School Aye through Middle School Yeah? I didhave a middle school sweetheart yeah I did. I did I remember we, let's Sae, we aimed a lot. Did you ever aim? Riley Ame yeah, likeAOL, Instant Messenger? Oh, I did for like Eah a couple monthsbefore, like other things star to become or popular yeah, so we aimed a lot yeah. That wasthose ware good times and yeah. I remember that was my first likevalentines speaking of like we're coming up to. Are we have st love s in the air for sure at Ha, crealhouse, but yeah? That was that was like one of my first Valentine's presencs.We went out to the out to the maces and got you know some some chocolates, so it kind of what what's moredifficult than breaking up with that person or dropping a deck. I think she broke up with me, so I'mgoingto have to say that was more difficult or okay, getting break in or Quak wasn't reallybig deal to you, Tha's, that's fair yeah. I mean I didn't really haveanything more than a fleeting experience in grade school, so I wouldprobably say a gift drop ing. The deck was more difficult for me. The worst is when yeah, but that wone, it's like not not just when it's like no longer theBDF, but like immediately post rotation...

...when it loses like some key tools, butlike has some things that you make. You think it's Salvagable, so you try tomake it work and it's just like that's heartbreaking man. I know Idefinitely ha definitely had decks like that in the past playing for ten years,you always are like. Maybe this thing could ould could make it out. Rare rarely does I would say: Pekaramis the exception? Not The rule to that Yeah Miro dove asked with battlestyles onthe horizon. Are you hoping for it to drastically change the Meta or or doyou like where we are now? I mean I think we can improve things. Idon't think that that's you know. I think that goes without saying, but Ithink that there's a large contingent of people that maybe are a little like the from myperspective, and maybe this isn't your perspective but for my perspective,there's a contingent of people that are very, very loud calling the format likegarbage and terrible- and you know one of the worst that they'veyou know ar the worst format they've ever played in, and I think that's alittle bit unfair to the format. I've been having Darisa fun playing the POKMONT tradingcard game recently and I you know, have had really exciting intense matchups inthe Players Cup. So I think again, I'm going to just resaylike we're, not at the worst point that I've ever seen. It's not a grat format.I would love for it to be improved and I do think battle. Styles gives us alittle bit of that improvement and especially in the realm of deckbuilding, I think there's a lot of deck building options that a battle sylesgives us but yeah. I don't. I don't think that thisformat is as bad as some people say yeah. I don't think this Portmanis,like notably worse than any of the previous ones from like last year. So to be honest, so I do I do kind of want to see thingsshake up. I don't think battlestyles will really shake things up too much.Like I'm sure, Thet Erchy food will be a deck, but Pekram is just too resiliant. Ithink to fall down to that, especially with the Muto heavy strategies thatpeople haven using recently ta I'd, be kind of surprised to see itlike pushed out of the meadaw or any of the other like existing decks at themoment. One thing I will say, though, is that the Mouto, the peakeram strategy, getsslightly nerved by the introduction of a scape rope. I just want to make thatpoint. You know known to the audience and that's a card. That's going to youcertainly impact things a little bit byt having that extra switch like rightnow, there's only one way to get out your vmax or nonbasic or Scoi non yeah. Whatever there you know, we havejust the switch there's, obviously scub UPNET, but that's only for Non v Pokmonon Gx Pokemon, so you know something that gives us more switching you know.Obviously I look at a scaperope will probably be in some way a bit of a Nerfto Pekram and then yeah. You just have like you said the fighting stuff, but Idon't think fighting on its own is what's going to be what kills Pe Gun? I agree. EA. I think it's still here.Tosday dfiiwe've. I think we've been wrong toomany times to Te Right, pee, Frim off this time. That's fair! THAT'S ISO! You know at the end of the day, I thinkthe game is still fine. You got to just appreciate it for what it is yeap andyou know hope that things continue to improve like. I think I think the latersets like I think. Balestyles is a much more interesting set and some of theprevious ones you've gotten. Maybe it's not the most impactfule, butI think it's a lot more interesting, which me is a good sign that, likethings, are maybe headed in a better direction in terms of like hard design.Yeah, definitely definitely I mean it looks like they're putting more effortinto these support evolutions at the very lease like we haven't. You know,aside for, like we're, probably not going to see many stage, tos main attackers, but yeah they're,putting some thought into. What's going to be on your bench and what's going tosupport your your main attack, or so I'm relieved by that I agree. Yeah, Imissed the days of o breakthrough artillery. Yes, I know so many people do so. Mr Dw, do you have any partingwords of wisdom for us today? No, I just enjoy your last few keys,have a good time n Players Cup and, if you've already finished,congratulations on making it through the gamlet absolutely well. Let us knowhow you all do with your players cut on twitter, that's at smiles of Briles, atReal John Walter and at Tagsine Pokemon, and be sure to rate interview thepodcast on your favorite platforms. It helps us get boosted up through thosealgorthm o. You know how much we love algorithms! Thank you all so much for yourlistenership. We appreciate every single one of you and we will catch younext time es...

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