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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 25 · 1 year ago

2-25. Dab on TCGO

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys see Darkness Ablaze just on the horizon, but chaos has taken over TCGO. What is going on?!

What is up, everybody welcome back totag team, the pokmont trading card games, permer podgasting duo. My nameis Rali Hulbert and I'm joined by my good good friend, JW creewall dvw How'sIT Gong. Today it's gone pretty well rileygh. I just heard my wife screamupstairs, so I hope everything's, okay, O no. Do He to investiate the rude cause? Wesaid. No, I think she's playing games with some friends don't be alarmed, but I'm sure everything is okay. YeahSmoking, like I youre, loving husband. What's going on with you, not a lot man, not a lot. I you knowjust keep plugging at the grind. I got my wisdom to eath out on on Friday.That was very cool, just the top ones, my bottom ones eremoved a long time ago.Actually, okay, as like, I hythila, ager wellth, other ones, are just forprior to braces and like the top ones, they honestly weren't, even a problemlike they, I probably didn't, even need to et them removed but gotch. I havepretty good insurance and I had a referral for my last entisappointmentUm, so I just o going on yeah. They they had some pretty good, likeprocedures in Playe, for for cove, like as good as you can get for being a youknow, oral surgery, place yeah and didn't end up to Luby, no funny videosor anything. I just had a crown put on yeah ow. It was fine, I mean it. It wasgood. I feel comfortable at this dentist that I go to so itis, very nice. They did a good job. Ithink Um so far, so good, it's just kindo funny going into well.I cracked my front tooth in a tennis accident, and so it wasn't like I meanI have like a de prepare, but it's not really a full crown ye right right,yeah t s, I mean I have bad teeth, but this one I just like needed particularattention, and so I it's just very weird to do all these activities thatwe used to just not think about and then going into the Dentis's office.They only have you know like four appointments in any one. You know slot.I don't know two hour slodor one hour slot, and so there's only you know.Five chairs set up in the lobby they're all spaced as far as they can be, andthen you go in and they check your temperature and they write yourtemperature down and then you know you have to wear a mask until they ask o totake it off. It's just a it's. It's interesting. How much of this stuff wetook for granted, I'm just really realizing it now. You know Wi'm, notrealizing, I'm not really ilike. This is my first big. You Know Knowwha youan appointment right, and so it's just interesting how this stuff is Um. It is happening. Yeah, YEA, ofering.Well because, like you know, wisdom teeth, an rivel is a pretty likeexpensive procedure. Yeah it is and feel like you need a ride and like theyneed to stay in. The area is like part of the deal M and also as a sidebaryou're right that they only have a couple of apartments these places andthey really don't want you to cancel or move them know if you try to but like I, I rantough, an issue and it's like sh s reschedule and I'm, like you know myride. ISHAV M'm trouble finding a ride like maybe I should just resettle for adifferent day D like no to no like ere by can leave if they need to as long asthey're back by like the specified time like just pleaes like come at leastcome in it's like. I get it, though, likehonestly O, but I did fieride, they took both ourtemperatures. Then he had to wait outside. He wasn't even allowed to stayin the Lova to go to his car, who yeah and he just he just workedg in his carfor a little bit. Yeah, and you know the procedure like greatthough I I honestly like you know they give you like. Prescription pain,medication, as well as like the prescription, strength, advils orwhatever after Wasdan tath surgery, and I neverused any of it. I Idus any of the medication that they. That sounds a lotlike my I had my wisdom, teeth removed in high school and they pretty much came out clean. Idon't think there was any like acting or kind of crookedness that you of enfind with wisdom teeth, and so I and mine out I waited like probably fivehours and like that night I was eating soup and other. I think I ate asandwich that night was esu an ice creame for like the past day Um, Iprobably didn't, need to any tas one. I just had let over super ice cream, but then, after that I was fine d. likeI never took, I id't I never took even like a regular Adville Eah, pretty goodthe whole way. I was very paranoid about try, sockets, yes and so, like I've been messing around with, like aharmonica recently like playing that and that's been fun but like. I wasreally afraid that it would give me trysockes. They tell you like not toeven use straws. Yeah t like is the act of like sucking on the harmonica 'causelike there's an inward motion for...

Hermonicas ther Islin. Is that going togive me try, sockets or something right? THAT'S HALANARIOUS! Is that so funnyyeah? I hadn'teve thought about that. Yeah. Of course, playing harmonicacould give you dry sockets yeah, so it was pretty messed ut Um, but mostly ismy mindset, but it's been fine, I'm just eating normally now Um, I I did a you know as like a tick beforemy used to like poke it with my tongue, where it was like sticking out and nowit's gone that feels kind of lame yeah. I don't know Hif. You ever didthat, but I dental procedures aside here we are justmer hours ahead of thedarkness of blaze. SETDROP and honestly, it feels like darkness oblaze. Is People don't even seem to care thatmuch anymore? I don't know I don't know I don'tanyone talkingabout onfit or anything, no you're right, you're right, I think, there'sjust a general apathy and then you're, seeing it with like the PCG o bugs, butbut that preate is othin. I didn't want to talk. ABOUTT Srbut, I'm prettyexcited with darkness plays. I think it's going to open up a lot of newthings in the format, primarily we're going to see the rise of Pokoman VMAC,which I'm really excited about, were finally kind of stepping into this newgeneration right. They introduced vmaxes Um. You know over the course ofthe last two sets, but now we're actually going to see vnaxs b kind of afocal point. I think of the Atti Game, certainly post orotation andpotentially even in this kind of awkward, two weak format, and so that'swhat I'm most excited about to see which vmaxes come out 'cause. I thinkthere are some B mixes that get hugely buffed by some of the new cardsthat come out. I think primarily of the VMAX that I'm most interested totest that I haven't seen anyone talk about and that stone journer, but there are some other vmaxs thati esymbol on the top Righe of that card or basic, I mean think of another femaxsthat has t at fighting weakness that youwould rather play it. I don't know, be t I can think of one Te. Probably so in any case, there are some vmaxes thatI'm really excited to just try to figure out like the biggest thing forme is trying to figure out like a rose engine yeah rose is cool, Thatso Ros is cooland that's what I want to really test out and that's going to probably be myfirst like couple of days with the new formattis S, trying to figure out howRos can be effectively played 'cause. I do think we'll find like the package. You know what I mean like. Is it goingto be with Sill Valley? Is it going to be with Roset Tower? Are you going toplay a heavy count of rose or you can play a light, Kount of rose? What's thesupport poke mind that you need to make that work, you play a rangaroo or not.You know there are all these questions or surrounding rows and how toeffectively use it. That, for me, is going to be the biggest questionheading into this. You know new set this new Meta game, this new formanyeah,I another, the only other fighting dact. I can even really think of. Besides theH Um o, why can geing Stone Jurner? Nobesides tone Jerner? Is it Galarian far fetch SIRFICHL NO B t the Dec, I'mthinking of is the Santa Conodec, but as far as like the one I'm trying toget to, but the one I am blanking on is the littlecurvy looking guys you knothe Pasimia knock of Timmy, an knockoff yeah, the t you'r.really you really let me down with this one FAI, no aie, oh Faelix, yeah, Ye h,of course, y. u you socman you SA. I really! I really needed you to bethere, for I was trying to think I was like what Vemax I wasn't talking aboutm talking, aout s like citing n general. That's on you ifee, like t the Curde lookid guys whoare Pasimia knockoms should have been more than enough to get you there fairenough theyd, you could meyoucould. You couldhave given me like a hint like another name for a Roman BattleFormaton, but I didn't know it. I was Gonif. I ne it was a Roman dotalformation. I would have known it his feeling, a s they wouldn't read to whatever, but Santa Cona's, like theonly other, fighting, tyght, detasides, failing and SOJ YOCO Y W. Not too I mean I'm I'm excited totry these finding t at ecause. I think, like the format, is kind of going inthis in this direction, where it's kind of there seem to be a lot of verystrong, very powerful POKEMON, rising up that are wea to fighting you thinkof things like alternatives, you think of things like Vicavl, I mean, and thenin this weird two, a weak format. You...

...have Picaram and you have toxtricityand so egg's really getting hurt by this anyway, I'm lucky anyway. There there's a lot of thingsthat people are excited about that are wee to fighting, and I just think it's a good opportunity to try to explorethat. That's the card that I m most interested in is kind of like. Ifeveryone goes right, then I can go left with this card sure and that's what I'mlooking forward to Yeai'd et place. I'd rather play SantaCONAC cause. It's more hype. You'd rather play Santa Canda, Huh yeah,it's definitely more hyght! Well, how? How would you play Sanda Condo Wat? Theclossol is it's so cool, but how would that it doesn't get any better? No TURMO Patche, maybe I 's, but I'm just thinking thisis school. I are you going to be getting a lot of the newset riling. Alot of the news said like physically Tcgo, I'm not really buying a lot ofphysical cards right now, just 'cause! I don't know realistically, when thenext time we'll get to use them is. Unfortunately, I do plan on loading outmy dg o again, as I do everytid, even if IEP don't use it a time rigt, I use it a decent amount more recently,but like it clash, I loaded up and likedidn't, do anything with it. Rigtiosiv Ewhatever, though Um Yeah, I don't know the actual darkes aplas cars besides, like turvocatch and the rowse stuff, I think Rosttower isactually really sick card, especially it's very good yeah. It Sh. It shouldbe very good. I mean we've seen this same effect on Arangaroo in the past,and that was you know. The instruct was a staple and a lot of decks, even asone of but now we have. The Stadium Card. Maybe has a little bit of adifferent use and you know, obviously it's not Folkman, but an your opponentgets access to it, but it should open up some H, various new avenues to playand again we think of this Combo with rose. That should be very potent yeahand I I don't know if rost hour is going to really come out swinging,because you know your hands are pretty big and Tis format Um. But I just Ilike the card. I could see it having onjeity or like some dice value at somepoint, even if it's not like an immediate thing, so yea Oshran hi, afan of rose and they're ONA, Sumer Um whae. What I do want to talk aboutbefore we get too deep in the darkness of Plays Rabbit Hole. You reference itearlier. I mentioned that I want to talk about. It is the tesage Yocatastrophe that happened today. It's now granted as we are recording this,it seems like a lot of it- has been fixed according to twitter sources um,but for those Howho are unaware. R, like haven't seen this going on earliertoday, there is a a patch and TC O um. I don't know exactly what they weredoing with this catch 'cause Darknes playscars were already in the client. I guess they were just updating it um they en putting in the tournament keysand stuff, but I don't really know why why now it was like the time to do thatb. t somehow the act of adding in tournament keys just broke like everycard and the way I think it actually happened. I think Daban Hackman put isAdami Tobe the way he summarized it honest witter,I think, is aboutright where the CA bas these cars arebasically storing like variables of what they're pointing to you know like.If you scoop up net Thi coonet is story that is pointing tee, like is Exigute,and then an act upon that storage, but I see like individual copies of carswere like permanently storing it's target. So if you recycled them withlike a veekre or Savlior a rengaroo, it would continue to target that originaltarget, no matter where they were they're in the deck. If they're in thediscard, if they're in the prizes in their hand like the effect, would carryout no matter what so there is these crazy cliffs, and if you haven't seenthese like, you have to just Grorl Tho youchchoter and look on Theis everyoneHo's listening yeah, but you know, scop up net was scooping upentire boards. People were playing clay and it was discardin call of theirfrize guards. Pe Ere woldering, like Pocamon fromThei, Istar pile. It was alutely insane things ar goingon that. Just I mean it made the game unplayable, but it was pretty funnysome of the stuff that was like, I loved the one where a guy played an Azand it just yeah scooped up his entire board. andjust lost immediately likethit is so munny. It is so funny, and I don't know how Turnamcke is playedinto that sure Y and I glad it did B'cause. It wasvery interesting to watch. I was cracging up today, just throughout theday, watching these crazier and crazier...

...clips so that people ere making yeah. Ithink one of my favorite ones was this: Guy, like you know, he stored a bunchof clays and he clayed away his prizes, except for one and then Ufirst tx totake e Hous Crim. So busted, that's like a turn. One winevery time it was so funny and another one that I really liked was that claygot rid of all the guy's hand and all of his prizes and then every card hedrew there after went into the prize. So he had like ten prizes or somethingwell kind of but like the prizes, also became invisible. So so they were just kind of like going tothe Nega realm or something like it was insane, that's wild that was wild. Needless tosay, some major patches were needed. It seems like, as of the recording of thisvideo, that most, if not all, antaken care of which would lead me to believethat they either had like an all hands on deck like emergency coding session,or that it was a minor error that just kind of interacted with t e game in away that they couldhave never predicted. And it's it's unfortunate that it happenedand, like it's kindof scary, to think that you know, on the eve of a setrelease that all this stuff could go wrong. I mean it just makes you thinkabout you know if they have with, and it's strongly ipplied with thesetournament keys, that they'll have many more tournaments in the future. This isreally scary to think that they could patch something that would completelyruin the game and render it unplayable. I mean I was definitely a fan ofwatching it unfold, but it was kind of disheartening and I feel like we haveharved on Tcdo a lot on this part podcast over the last few months, andyou know I don't want to beat a dead horse here. We've already talked abouthow, in the current state it's not ready, but this was definitely like areemphasizing of that like even if they fixed most of the bugs or even all ofthem that were directly related to whatever happened. Um It ultimately like it doesn't evenmatter like these. You know this twey keep running into a lot of gamebreakingbugs and this one got a dress quickly, but you know: We've had other examplesthat lasted for months and months and months, peace, enterty being aninfamous example. So I I I don't know I don't know Iwouldlove to see it, and I think this really pushe a lot of people over the edge andand having that dialogue, Um and trying to figure out like what needs to happen.Um, ultimately like we don't have animmediate solution at the end of the day right, like weare, not DPCI, wecan't say- and you ow t also contracts this, and so we can. We can obviouslylike as a community, we can, you know, sell up our complaints and- and you know, use the appropriatechannels, be I support tickets or you know twitter or whatever, to voice those, but you know we're kind of trapped and itseems like the attenpt, though, is to push more competitive stuff, like youwere saying, with the tournament keys Johnso, it's kind of like you're, alittle oodds. I yourself here, yeah yeah, you're kind of right. You'repushing these two different messages intentionally or unintentinally I meanthe intentionality. Is there we see the tournament keys? I think there's a lotof speculation on what those could mean. There's obviously like a very Um. Thereare two sides like two ways that turnament s could go like. On the onehand, turnament kys could be something that they just give out for free m. Youknow- and you get say ten tournament keys for every month or something andat the end of the month, if you've used your termickeys like the best, you knowhundred players or whatever get to go into a separate invitational. Onlytournament like that would be the best case scenario for turnme keys and then,like worst cae scenario, could be something like you had to buy,turnament keys or something you know, and then you redeem that for ways toplayin more anyway, there's ways that the termmes can hes can go, but puttingthat out shows me that they do want to have more competitive play in the game. Butthen, on the flipside of that, whether I mean they obviously didn't intend forthe whole game to crash the way it did but they're sending another messagethat they just don't really care that much about the game like if you'regoing to publish something like that, we're going to put something like thatout in the world, and I'm talking about the bugged client that we saw for thebetter part of I don't know twelve hours today, um the. If you push that out in the worldintentionally or unintentionally, you are saying to your fans and to thepeople that play the game like we really don't care about this, andthat's that's disheartening. That's concerning Um and I I just hate to see it and what Ithink. Ultimately, the real conflict is...

...is like you know you can have thesetournament keys and you know the players coowards that they passed outto everyone who participated today. You know they stayad autumn Players Cup init so like or maybe THAs summer, whatever they said like a seasonalplaters cup and suggesting that there would be future players. couts is theidea, and turnment keys also implies that, but time and time again, we've run intothe conflict Um, where this client isn't really suitablefor O r tournament play. And so, if you want to push tur o plight, you have toactually upgrade your system, Um and Bhyther. That means like we need tofind a new DEBB team or hire more developers, O m there's two shrapped onpeople. I I can't say what that what the route cause that is to me, it seemslike a lot of the things that we're hawe into today were things thatprobably could have been found with like relatively simple Qa and that's- and I don't want toattribute like noweason to these developers, I'm sure like they'retrying their hardest and and they mean well, but you know, could be a stopping issue oryou know lack of priority Orsr sure. At the end of the day, we don't know theonly thing that we know is what was put out and so, like it's t it's hard Um.You know we, a e are trying to put out this kind of air of positivity. We're trying to givea lot of you know credit where credit is due for what we have. I think weboth are very thankful for what we do have, but at the end of the day youknow what you put out is what you're ultimately judged on and the productthat we received today led a lot of people down and simply I mean, wasn'tacceptable for companied the size of Pokamon yeah. I mean if, if you're thesize and you're putting out something that could affect any car like Qa,should I should hit that, like you should have. You should be testing herhards and Lke, seeing that these things are happening. It's Waterer, the Ridge at least they've, taken the actors cabof like yessing. It very very happy that that hasand. That needs to happen.Obviously with H. You know tomorrow, coming up it's a big day,darknessblayse coming out just needed to happen. Make sure that theseproblems didn't persist into the weekend yeah. So another interestingtopic, though, on the topic of like Pokman Company, is they also have comewith their own pot, cast kindo steffened on our turf a little bit here. I don't think they would say as much aswe say about the client, but no, no for sure, not for sure not butyeah. This is a very cool thing. If you guys haven't heard, there is a newpocamon trading card gate, well, notexclusively trading card game, but trading card, gamed, podcast that comesout every Wednesday and it's on twitch and also on Youtube, and also onspotify, Google and itunes. If it sounds familiar, that's right, it is because we havedone that for the last two years, but this is not a bitter statement aboutthat. I think this is very cool. I'm stoke to have pokma come into thepodcasting sphere and to have all these great minds cometogether and give their takes Beit people that you know commentateit's alot of commentators for BGC and TCG some people that work at the companygiving their thoughts. I think this is going to be a great medium, a greatavenue for Pokmond to reach a broader base. I think it's super cool. You know. I appreciate Pokaman'swillingness. Tilly not only take advantage of sort of like quarantinehome time, and you know if you, if you saw any of the Pike as te like Y Ow,people are recording from their homes and like there's a lot of productionvalue going into it, like they're, trying really hard to take advantage ofofthe people who know stuff about the Games if they have it theire disposal. I guess you can say Isupposal sounds kindof worse than maybe I intend sure it it's supercuoal. I Iappreciate them like trying to delv more ino content. It hearkens back tosome of the more recent articles that they've done. That's been run by M Oknow. Kristamansky Stepavnav, like these really good players that theypulled into these articles, an know they're pulling in some of their morefamiliar faces in their staff. To do this, potcast- and I you know I Ihaven't- listened to the episode yet I have seen some clibs of it. I I thinkit's school, I think it's really cool yeah Ise th. I did get the chance tolisten to part of it today. I skipped thahead to the TCG portion and Ithought you know T it's a great overview of the metagame and kind ofunique decks, and maybe things that people weren't expecting if they'vebeen following along over the course of...

...the last few weeks and the Players Cup,I I thought it was well done Um, for you know for what it is being this kindof Metagaine podcast. I hope that they do branch out, though, and exploredifferent topics. It seems that it's going to be a seasonal cast for thesekinds of you know, players Cups. If they dodecide to have you know future ones, and so you know there is an enddate tothis. I believe it was September. Ninth is what I read on Poguman Com, but evenso it would be kindof cool to see this kind of be a year round thing wherethey maybe go into different topics instead of just making it. You knowfour episodes based around Players Cup and that's it. You know would like tosee them much like this podcast go into some more unique interesting: U TopicsYeah! I I'm guessing that they're gauging as well like using this time tofigure out what exactly they're getting out of it and if people aret consumingit Um- and I don't know if easily pre,recorded and and they've like 'cause, there is a lot of production value fromwhat I've seen right, but you know regardless, I I thinkright now, they're doing a trial period if it's wildly successibl, especiallyif they kne more players' cops in the future. I think there's a pretty easyopportunity for them to continue that effort, and you know they have the framework. Allthere Itud be ashamed to see them work on all that and like Kinda, put it away. Well, I think also that if you're listening and youloved Tang Team, then you know, I think there could beopportunity for collaboration in the future. How cool would that be? For usto be with you know, P play Pocamon, do a you know either hosting one of theirpodcasts or being on one of the. I mean that'd just be so cool. I I'm excitedfor that and just kind of the POSSIBILITI s not just for us, but fora fan and player engagement. I think it could be really cool if they bring inyou know certain people, I would love to see top players be interviewed or just put in maybe unique settings thatonly play Pocamon can bring about yeah yeah, I'd love to see them use theresource that they have and like to their full extent right Um. But you know we do say a lot of trashabout hes, Jo client, so maybe we're not the best candidates. Have we TA, dug ourselves too big ahole w blie out at this point, I might ave at this point m that beingsed. You know, I still think it's a cool, a cool endeavor. I I'm excited tosee them. Carry that out. You know it's. It's kind of toughpeople were criticizing it on twitter. I felt kindo bad 'cause. You know theteams who are working about on this podcasts or not the same teams, woareworking on Developet for the decen Yo Briat. It seems KINDOF unfaire tocomplait the two for SRE, but you know regardless. I I think it'sfun. I think it's Fin. I think more people should you know, keep a clear mind about themselves, likethey're doing their best Um. You know the client itself is disperatefrom what they're trying to do with like content, and you know the Tamen Seand all that, oh for sure for sure. So I think Nowi's a good Sagway, thoughto you know we talked about the the recent going ons, but I like to alittle bit deeper in the dark Nesplaye. Obviously you haven't had a much of achance to test. Since you were in your isolation period, Um ained a lot of wisdom from theWilderness. I did yeah how to let things go yeah, primarilyyeah. I realize in my isolation just how much kind of pent up feelings. I had just about kind ofthings that don't matter, I don't know it's just kind of weird you get awayfrom social media and you get away from. I mean even like friends or certainfriend groups, not to say that our friend group is bad by any means, butyou just kind of come back in like a refreshed mood and really realize likeOh okay. This is very important. This is very important. This not soimportant. You know that other thing not so important, so it really KINDOFcleared my head, but yeah dark nessplays. I am stoked I am. I I'm always excited forthese new, particularly before the post rotation format. I'm really reallyexcited any time. There's a rotation, and I just have a question for you.Rather, if you're going into this new format, be it the two week format orthe postertation format, kind of what of your thoughts on how you should test for the formats andyou can choose either one but wh what are kind of some initial thoughts thatyou have on testing for a new formar sure I think, testing from for a newformat. You always starwith. What you...

...know is good and works and work fromthere right. So a good example is, you know, headinginto worlds. Last year you knew that Pekaram was going to be a huge factorand wasn't clearly a good deck, regardless of what happened in UNiwbivines. So that was where you can start from, and you kind of buildeverything out from there Um. I think. That's generally the frameworkyou should use when you had into a new forma like what is the current Titan.What stands up to that? How do you deal with all that moving forward? And so in this format, what that would spellout of a lot of these lexaustion variants? The dragopole MariantsJackpoll, obviously taking a huge hed to the fact that darkness Te blasefeatures the dark cards. Yes, abtl that darkness of Laze so, but still like those are solidarchetypes that you can fall back on and serve as a basis for your testing.Even pkrom still is like something that you can use is a basis for testing yeahlost a little bit of funning, but still Um, and then from there you can do sort ofthe the Bild Adeck archetypes Um. You know every we've talked about this acouple of times in the pot Gast, where theyre is clearly out of the setarchitypes that you can utilize and work with so classic example would beAtterna Vmax with Crobat and Hooba like that yetreally, something as being likeset up for you like take the head and try it out Ye Reso, you know, take the obvious combos workfrom there and then once you start to get a fiel for what's already good andwhat's changing in those in those dacks, and once you get a feel for like theobvious choices and what works in them, then you can actually get into the tlike into the weeds and think. Oh well. Okay, so you know, turnitis is reallygood. I this is the engine that I've solidified for it now, having played itagainst existing good architypes. Let us now try some of these counterdacks.You know luts play the failings of the world. Let's play, let's play the stonejouners of the world and the Sana Curenis Um, and maybe you see thatthose ecxs are really good and they benefit a Lok from this new car in theset. Well, then, you can start testing out sort of more the triangular kind ofmedows, where maybe there's some deck that beats thos and Turnn Thi speec upon those. I think that's really. The way that youhave to dive into sense is start with no quantities and expandyour horizons from there ow. If you try too hard to immediately dive into thedeepend Um, then you end up a little lost and yeahyou can definitely get lost in the sauce. I was just going to bring thatup. Is that if you go too far in just O, if you stray too far from thelight you're just going to be stuck like fumbling through the darkness, so I would very poignant: quote Ean, that's Goo good for Pokamon inlife really, but I would stay close to close to the chest play the EIGTY PSplay. The peagrams, like you, said, play the things that Pocmon isliterally throwing at us that they want us to play. I mean we saw you know inthe in rebel clash. Dragopolt eventually turned out to be. You know atear one deck, arguably the best steck in the format. I you know t some peoplemight say that it was the best tecon oformant and then I think we now aremoving into okay. atternatives being that kind of thing that you know,Pokman just really wants us to play and so go with those kinds of things findthe basis of what the medigane like Sh, maybe should be. s is the wrong word. II don't quite know how to how to articulate what I mean but find thestrong pillars of the format and then branch out from there yeah exactly andthat's exactly how I o I would like rephrase Thato, refrain it Um y. Theproblem is and granted like this, isn't a slight like if you want to dive in acrazy stuff right away. That's fine, like I'm more Gary to you. What I thinkis blike from an efficiency like beneficial to your testing standpoint,not the same as like just playing for fun and not the same as just playingthe decx that you want to try out Um is that you start with those pillarsand what that'll help is when you get into more of the wees and think of thecrazy decxs, when you build this speer o to decks of the world Um than you'll have early enefit, so muchfrom knowing what the big decks w look like play like how they act like youcan't you can't form a good basis for how those decx should be played untilyou have the big boys ready and usually the big boys, they start off at leastrelatively obvious as far as like the cores of them sure Tu. Absolutely so that's how I wouldapproach it. I think you're relatively similar in that approach, yeah! Well, because it's I mean you'rekind of building. Yes, we're adding a new set, but when you look at it inlike the ratio of new cards to old carts like it's not real, you know it'svery heavily tilted in favor of what we've already seen. So we've put allthis time into these lists, and we...

...perfected these archetypes that maybeonly gain one or two new cards and sometimes in very small quantities, andso we have these kind of established cards and established. archetypes don'tgo too far away from those ininitial testing, because you need to get a feelfor how the new cards not only interact with that in the deck itself, but howmaybe a new archetype interacts against that to form a medigane and what I'll say is Welltil oexpandupon that further is there might be an existing deck? That's like a stapledeck and even benefits from a new set that can't stand up at all to the newdecks, but it's still worth it to start from there and realize. Oh, this isinferior to the new things. Let's build from there right R, I think we'rthy starting poin yeahyeah. I think that's that's true, too its like, and especially when you'relooking to a new Mata game. You know that not everyone is going toimmediately shift over to the new stuff. So that's also something to keep inmind when you're building these deckses, like does it stand up to what peoplehave been playing, because if people just pourt over their old archetype Um, the and your new arcinside doesn'tstand up to the old stuff, then you can really easily just cross that off yourtesting list. That's a very easy way to find out whether or not this archetypeis still worth pursuing in the future. If it just doesn't stand up to a listthat has already been played and has already been perfected, then there's noreal reason to continue testing it in my eyes exactly so I want to build uponthat a little further, not really this specific question, but you asked aboutyou know you brought up examples of like the two week format or thedarkness of blads format. Are you going to mess around at all with the TFORMAT?Are you going to jump right, innervotation stuff? What's your plan,no I'm GOINGTO test the two week format. There is a tournament that is coming upin the two week: format that is giving away cash prizing and I feel like this would just be a goodopportunity. I I've really wanted to compete competitively for the lastmonth and I just haven't had that opportunity, and so I'm excited to tryH to format. I do think that it's going to be Um on Orthodox. I do think you know justinitially that something like I. I really am fearful and am interested tosee. The types of vegable lists that come out that to me seems like the deckthat has the most prerotation potential in terms of ithas electropower and it has thunder mountain, and you know, has all thesetools that you can use to really buff vegavl, and so that's the deck that I'mmost interested to. Try that's the deck that I'm most interested to findcounters to. It might not end up being the best ack, but it', certainly for mehas a lot of kind of hype surrounding it. In my in my eyes- and I think a lotof other players as well, but it just has these tools that I won't have postrotations. So I really want to dig into the possibilities in this prerotationformant yeah. The peritation formats are always pretty crazy and it it'sKindof Nice that we have a tournament in that format, because what reallysucks heading into actual worlds is when you get the statdrop on Dcgo, butyou can't actually play ladder or anything I remember being so upset about that.Last year, yeah there was like no value in playing on the ladder ecauseeveryone's just playing there for ouritation decks. It's like what's thepoint here: Wellyou do have those you do have those good souls they go outthere and do try to play. Postradiyo now bless their hearts mad but blesstheir hearts, but I just playing on the ladder to try and find them is painful for sure. You'll get like ninetypercent through a game and then Al like the last game went in card is so car.That's rotatedoh yeah definitely happened a lot to be last year. That'sreally funnyth! I guess so. The point is, though, it'scool that we're advantage of this format yeah, I kindo liked one worlds.I I see arguments both ways, but I liked, when worlds included, like theprerotation format, Um for the reason t et it just seemed like a good summaryof the season, yeah yeah, that that's a really great point yeah. I was justgoingto use that word summary, because it kind of gives us a little cherry ontop. It really does feel like the forma like doesn't shift entirely, but itjust kind of adds a new color to the allet that freshens things up for youknow a couple of weeks and then it's all gone, and you know it's kind ofthis poof and this this cloud of of of you know kind of special Niss thatdoesn't get too stale. You know it's just very, very fresh, so I don't knowI kindo like this extra extra format. I think it adds a lot yeah and I I think,there's still value in like the in the actual worlds. forbeing, like postrotation, dumb, it you know, shows off...

...some adaptability and how amost likeshift your focus. You know Surt completely new medagaine Um, but it tome it seems a little odd, justlike not the same rotation that you would qualified the worlds in right.Right, yeahat's, like you know, someone had played gotten all f their CP withthe buzzle Gx Card or something you know and that rotates it's like. Well,that's a pubmer, sorry sure you can really be good with aspecific archetype and then immediately see ou go out the window, which I meanthere are pros and conts to that, like we've outlined, but yeah yeah, very carully, objectively, goodor bad. Are you planning on playing anything either prerotation orpostortation? I'm sure postortation, with like tournament keys, I'm reallyexcited to see how they work those into the the Clak, but are you doing anyprerotation, probably a little bit? I haven't experimented at all in thatform. I don't have you either? Have you messed around with irritation? In thePREEITATION format, I've only watched Yei've only really I've really reallymessed around with e Post orrotasion Um, so it will kind of be like a regressionF of thought process. You know with the TS JL ladder as anoption, it's pretty easy to dive into it. So there you go there. You go guys,remember to record your games right down. Your testing results. That'llhelp you immensely. So let's open the floor up now to some viewer questions.Maonial three says what Dexer yoall excited to play: Bills from darknessablaze. I said: VIGAVOL Rylly. Is there one that you're particularly interestedin playing yeah? I mean I called out a couple of times. I am excited generallyfor Aturnto, DIS 'cause. I, like big bench, decks. You Know Ork RegionalChampionship. Magara was one of the most fundecks in my opinion, so I'm I'mexcited for a turn is I know it's like a vanilla answer, but it's it's supercool and then really outside of the realm ofdarkness ablaze, but more t's like things that are impacted by it. I'mexcited to see a turbo Patcon, interacting with with old, existingkinds of cards, t and like what you know w ate of the cars that just neededlike a little bit of a boost, Tobe viable ISRI've, recited to like diginto those as well. Absolutely I love finding Pi whats that ello finding like the nichelittle gards. You know yes, yes, Balsubos says: What rotating card areyou most relieved to see, leave Standard Forman I go fom me I acroso dosmat across that was a mean answer. I I think forme actually M. it's Cirachi prison star. That's like a little bit of anunorthodox answer like I know that they're, probably most eialistically,it's a on dragy person star come out slecal storm yeah. I think so anyway,it's gone m. So that's the one that I most Relye tosee: Sanderd, Leavin, Faer, that's so funny! I didn't even think about prison.STAR IS B car ther rotates right honestly. For me, it's probably ThunderMountain M. I hated that card man it just it made GAM, feel so sacky Um it was such a big swing and stadiumsere. Always so unreliable to actually search and find yeah and similarlyelecto power. I I just hated how blighting got so much a love at once,and it was actually so frustrating to me, but I I I don't know I never reallytruly dom I mean I don't know what you would consider domination. I F I feltlike I never truly dominated a format like it was never no think lot of e t at was never itdidn't, have theiada format for it to be frustrating when Pikram just turneone hits like Thunderountin three ectric hours and knocks you out, yeaharor not Orno like, and that that's only anaval by a pluslike cars. Like then, around e electric power restrict I've talked about this.A lot with like other cards, but like cars like got, restrict the designspace that all lightning types can live in. You know if they have to bebalanced around cocoa prison, thundermout and Cavo sure until theyrotate sonow like you, can actually open up the floor for like interesting,lightning tyght cards that are entirely revolving around getting a bunch ofenergy on the Board Yep, which has always seemed like everylighting card. Besides toxtricity has been about getting as much energy andthe port is possible. Pretty much. That's true, very true Sgaykid says: Doyou think Alisapad will be good? Yes, I'm I'm a huge Fanagalo Pot. I thinkthat card is awesome, so that is thirty plus fifty for each Vand...

Gx on the oppoent side of the field. Soyou know you're. Looking at these aternitive stacks that might have youknow a couple O alternitives down. They might have a couple of crobats down andyou're Hiddin. You know for good numbers there for relatively cheaply,so I love Gli spot. I think m they didN'TD. They did an OK job,incorporating some basic or some Non v Pocmon into this SACALISIPAD HOOPAgreedent to an extent decidui like to an extent those both have. You knowvery significant Ans Bermore. I Spe Likh the Jy for a while. Well, it wasreally good. I think you just can't beat ADP, but it it has a decent matchup, spread yeah. You know it s, just Alon that I'm not off it it just it'll. I mean it really doesdepend on how big ADP is, because I think th the list that Andrew createdand that we tested on the stream was very strong, beat a lot of things itjust. It can't beat fire, which I think that's a fine l to take. I don't knowhow big fireis going to be, especially in this kind of two week format, butthen ADP is the real killer for that deck 'cause. You just can't beat ADYP,sadly, and I think that makes the deck almost implayable there's so manyadacks there. That's like the deathent y Ay Super Inlugky D. that's another nar, that's like reredestricted, the entire design, Saceis Eigty, T iit, would be definitely ATFP,definitely felt like the card that, like should have rotated. Ironically, it came out like one of thelatest cards in the block: Yeah Yeah- No exactly it just it feels like it'sBen in the forma for so long, and it's still going to be causing a lot ofproblems here, N in future formance, I I mean it's. The kind of car that'llcause problems until it rotates yeah Ebis, not even old at all. It cameout at Laic. Remember that no, I I don't really d'. I just remember all the the hype ofLaic had the ADP caldeos versus the the Guzzlor agonadels and is n Te Mormat at the doad. One whole thing M. I doremember charsard winning. I just don't remember a lot of Hyprad Raes like themost pladect and okay. So the PR. So my problem is that often times like, if Ididn't play in that format, which I definitely did not play in that formatlike I, I don't think I had a tournament in that format. I just willforget that existed like if it doesn't have a personalvalue to me, then I will just completely forget it existed and I feellike I go through cards so fast and go through format so fast and I'vebeenplaying the game for so long that, like my tiny little peebrain can onlyremember you know very specific formash tat either like I did a very I had avery good performance in or that I like tested a lot for and that just wasn'tone of those. So in my brain it KINDOF got lost. I think I think th the copoutanswer is Dialga is altering space time n. It feels like it's been here forlong to Getady P. Still, you know bothering me it's mental now, though te ges making our perception of timeSeeng incredibly along that's Rightthin the problem, so there you go answer solved, Derek and chat asking. Are there anymean decks that you will invest some time into? It depends on what thethreshhold for me is. I suppose I I kind of mentioned o early. I wantto play Santa Conda colossal. I don't know if that extends all the way intobeam or not. I think any time you're using a stageto to power up at something is probably n me at least right now for sure what it hasa ability, that's even remotely similar to strong charg its. It mean L Ke. Ifyour stage to ability is like deluse or something, maybe you can get away with,not being a mean, but if it's something more into strongcharge, I think you're doomed yeah, I'm excited like we talked about in the inthe earlier segment, just all the V maxes that now have a have a viable way to accelerate ontothemselves that isn't like an attack. You know. I just think that that'llopen up a lot of new possibilities. For previously you know they they willprobably still remain weak venaxes, but there are a few that I just reallythink can take advantage again of this rose enginead, so mem. You know thatwould probably be the biggest mean is to try to make every single vmax deckwork together, yeahyeah together yeah for Sre, like a one one, one line orone one, one, one one one one one line...

...of every single ta ever created. Thisis what Pokamon intended. I think we found a perfect question towell. I have a second one of them, we'll loove back to it s, Ercles Nha,ask do you think Stagevok tman should be more powerful, maybe to wasstand upbravely, but not a really, not going to be or Gx M. Yes for sure, stay,sharkonor way too week right now, the effort to put them out is not dearlyworth the pay off, forgetting it out. Yeah noshe's actually absurd the thecost reward there is so bad yeah. It's it's crazy. T like you lookat decidiuathink is the premier stage to o to come out of this upcomingformat as a hundred and forty health, which is you know, which is half which is halfof EITP itjust, it's absurd. You know all thehoops that you Hav to go through to try to get these guys out and you don'treally get much in return. The last question I wanted to cover h.his mass Dave asked: Have you guys put any more thought in Te, stone, Gern orbeing acted with the rose engine very excited to start testing, it ot thesetdrops, and so as day. It sounds like you weren't here for the start of theCAST, because indeed, JW creewall has looking at stone an er vebax with therose engine. I mean you look at it in you know two hundred damage you're oneshouting, alternitives you're, one shouting, vicabl you're, one shoutingPeakram and ride Yhou ride you you have a built in tank ability, you, I don'tknow you have access to rose, it just seems like the pieces might be therefor distected it's. I I'm not trying to make like this big prediction on it,because I could be completely wrong. We get the C R. I haven't test been ableto test this in the prerotation format yet, but it just seems like a Combothat should work really well, I it seems like that's the best Venaxpokeman and now the vmx Pokman, the best fighting type Denax Potemon at E.Little sorry largncorrect, I think, is the best fighting type VEMAX, Bokmanand now vimaxes get support. So if the medigame shifts more toward thesefighting weak attackers like vegavl and Atternitiss, then that should make alot of room for stone, Jerner brokeen. So if you take away anything from theCastaday, keep your friends close and your stone Guirners, closer mini Obert,join Byrball, appreciate you all listening today and we'll catch younesttime peace. SE.

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