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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 31 · 8 months ago

3-31. Don't Snipe Me, Bro

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back to discuss the latest and greatest in Battle Styles, such as Victini VMAX. But wait, a controversy loom... cheating?? Stream sniping?? What's going on?!

Go what oes that guys walking back totag team pokem on trading card games, Fremer, podcasting doout? My name isRyley Hulbert joined, as always by my very blerry friend Mr Dabow crewal y.How re you today, I'm doing? Okay, I'm struggling and racking. My brain is whyI'm so blurry is so so very blurni yeah. So very I feel like it's gettingprogressively worse. I don't know I mean we hat a switch like the platformin which Tou call each other yeah, maybe or it's more. Maybe we had to.Maybe we had to update the link is what I was thinking, but that doesn't makeany sense, but it does like, but maybe yeah Hes Laing e Toer and losesconnection over time. I don't know man yeah, I mean I'm down for whatever it'sjust kin, weird, just no skipe hthat's, not a tough cell, but I'm doing pretty well Raley. Howare you I'm feeling good? I'm honestly, really tired today haven't slept verywell last few days, but that's that's all me. That's not me! You know. I've been reallying to thisbook that I've been reading, so I've been kind of reading it and the problemisn't necessarily going to read it really late. If that my brain is stillthurning, you know after the reading sure, but makes it hard to fall asleeplater sure don talk about. I hear you yeah, because you'rethinking like hey, how is how is gormendare about to make it out of this?Is You read the Book Too Yeah? I know I've been thinking about it to ro, what's been going on in your world? Well, I have a massive toothache.That's not getenbed is consuming my thoughts. My every thought this happensabout once every one or two years were like I just like. I think it's like a brucedgum or something because it's it always heals like it's just. I had the way forit to pass. So I have this like Veryan intense, like driving pain for a littlebit, and then it goes away and then, like we're fine for another year or two,I don't know it's some kind of weird di. You ever watch the Halloween moviewhere the Gablin Gargo Il thing comes out of the cornfield every hundred and seven years or something,and then he prays upon the town, People D or know what I'm talking about. Ithink so, but I don't remember what the movies called Yeah he's like big einghe's got like wings and things, and it's like it's like I'm trying to anyway. Youguys can let us know your St Goingna. Let us know Bo t what what that movieis, but anyway, that's what it feels like it's this recurring nightmare. Itkeeps coming back. That's Su Ren everyone to two years. It is reallyweird, it is really weird, so I don't know, maybe I'll just get that toothtaken out and maybe I'll never have pain. There again I mean, as your dentist like said anything onlike an xray nothing's come up. Well, I mean it's, it's definitely a tooth that has had work done in the past. Like Itin, Aviy, filling and things so I don't know. Maybe it has something todo with that. I feel that O that ha a lot of I likefeelings and stuff. I know we didn't take good care of ourteeth when we were little, I really didn't I, as always, EAN ice cream and notbrushing my teeth. I know it's tragic. I think my parents did a really goodjob of teaching me good oral hygiene. My mom especially lot is like almost after every meal. I think she wouldflos in the morning and then the in the evenings. I know that's what I'm sayinglike, so I definitely didn't learn these bad abbits from her rady says he thinks t one of theCharlie Brown Halloween. That can't be right. I think there's like another like imeaction movie, that has SOM S. yes, exactly exactly! Maybe it's Tarlyn Roo! It is notnoanything in the GRAT pumin. Now I'M...

...gonna. Look it up. Okay, you have me soconvinced that I need to look up what this is Halloween Gargoo in on bus. Maybe I remember there's a busscene, Halloween Fus, okay anyway, we can continue onI'm going to look this up and then, when I find it halfway through the Pod,I will let you know and everyone will go THAs. What he's talking about? Brudy also says that he would never fasso message to all of our listeners, pease flos at least once a day, it'sgood for your teeth and brush them, if not after every meal, at least twice aday. Otherwise I ge op the cavitis young, GWand Riley. That's right! We can pass on any wisdom to you inthis. It's engonorl Idin sad is temporary relative to your teeth. That's true, true, so tru! So anyway, there has been a lot going on Pokmanlately, though, actually decent amount of stuff happening. So we will talk about stream sniping andthe second half of the CAST, but we want to start off kind of focusing inon some of the recent results, and now the Meta is shaking up with the aditionof battlestyles. So got a couple things that we can take a look at here.Obviously the full grup online series was yesterday if you miss that be sureto join the discord, so you can go in some of the future one. I got it Wat that it's jeepers, creepers,Youpich, creepers, of course, first creepers, okay, I just had to say it:Ai were good. Let's move Munki en close that door great then, while you'rewatching deep, firsh creepers, though what better way to pair with that thanplaying the pokmon tournament so I'l be sure to check out the folgrip onlineseries discord where you can get all the updates about joiing thattournament I'll put the link in the description for this episode. Yeah.Absolutely what I like about the tournament and we've talked about thisbefore its just it's very suscinctively run. So if you're looking for atournament that doesn't take, you know nine ten hours. This is the one for you.We had a lot of really interesting decks from last night Riley. What wasyour favorite deck that you saw on the Stream? Honestly, I was I liked a lot of thedecks. I soon stree a there's, a lot of really cool ones. I think my favorite one that ended upperforming well was Andrew Ramble had just an incredibly smooth list ofsingle striker Chifu. You know I've said it for a couple weeks now I thinksingle spriker Shifu is kind of underrated and over and really fun aswell. It's just like one of those decx is really satisfying. Tho Play and Andrew was consistently getting setup. He was in the games that he appeared on stream. I don't think hewas treaming himself but, like he appeared in a couple of opponents games,his deckors is running so good. It was awesome, yeah, yeah, absolutely, and I actually had an exchange with StafanIvanov on twitter. Just talking about his list and kind of where I was atwith the list and Andrew opted to go, you know more withstafons list, which is great. I think again it is very stronglist. I wasreally curious about the evolution incense I felt like those cards in thatlist could have maybe been great balls like you're, really trying to get outthose houndhours. I was finding. That was a big issue with the deck. If Iwasn't finding a couple Houndour on the first turn, then it was going to makeit really hard in the later turns to get a tax set up, but anyway, Andrewhad this list really really, like you said: Straightforward contist,consistent with you know Max counts of all the important cards. You know theresearch, the Marnes, the Erno vitality, all maxed out there and did really well,like you said, took it to a top. Eight finish yeah and...

I do want o point out like that.Evolitioninsense is definitely a little bit odd compared to like what I've beentrying out. You know I've been focusing more on like the coms and the hitballsMaxin, those out. I hate poky com. Honestly, it's such a frustrating card, but one thing I do think wasparticularly interesting and I'm curious to see like if hesEvvole, er changes is Andrew's list was relatively lighton the tower of darkness. That's something I really enjoy like having inpretty high counts like up to four sometimes- and you know worst case, you towerdarkness, your towerback e and draw some Shards O. I'm curious like if I'm overreating,that card or maybe or maybe it finds its place and higheraccounts in the future when, like perhaps what is it called chaotic, well rotatesyea t get a little more tine time to shine yeah. I think I think that'scertainly true. If you're playing tower darkness into a lot of chaotics well,which that seems to be just kind of the dfacttos stadium of choice, then youprobably aren't in for a good time but yeah thet lower count of Tower ofdarkness. I think, should be the norm in the future. I've F AD mixed resultswith it and I think it's just not a card that you're guaranteed to get aneffect from with so many K, cadecs wells ut there so yeah, I'm generallyQuali aning factor there also frustrating honestly yeah. Itcertainly is for a lot of reasons, it's a such a powerful card, but I reallyfeels like you're learning the OPO Stea Lik. Definitely there was plenty of otherdecks, though that were cool and did well. SPIRI TUM is definitely making aresurgence lately with the addition of a scaperow, and it's really cool to seelike the amount of damage you can build off in these spirit teams with SpikeMooth and the escape rope so quickly, yeah, absolutely I mean that was e deckthat yeah kind of died out there when we lost the escape board and then now it'scoming back. We have more switching options in the format, so it just makesa little bit more sense play it almost exactly like how you did just now withthose with those escaperope, so very cool yeah, like you said, making aresurgeance. I don't know that it's necessarily the deck. For me. I thinkit has a number of kind of FFE matchups, especially with things like dragopoltcoming back into the format, but certainly a cool idea. We also saw a an atpice ashion. I thought that thiswas the most unique. I know you're listening to the CASTYOUR likeAtpsahian the most cuniqulist, but for real. It had O ed and AGHTP two Zassian and fourfour bronzare and the idea here is you go? Second, you get a Bronz longdownturn one with the evolutionary ability on that Bronz or you can evolve thatBrown socg turn one get the energy on the board, with the metal saucer attachyour aroar energy and all of of a sudden. You have a turn one going supin altered creation, which is very, very strong yeah I mean getting turm one altargoing second, is is incredibly strong. I I think thereare definitely tweeks iwould make to that list, but the concept of it was super cool,and I think one of the things that's underrated about the Bron Song. I'm notsaying necessarily an Pron song is definitively the way to go. I thinkthis te less to be determined, but one things I really like about it is after you altered you culd justimmediately get the energy off the ATP if people have swung into it Yeph, so you know a lot of these decks.Their strategy might be to hit into the ATP. You know if they can't reach theTWAND. Eighty theyall try and hit into ATP right when it altered and then, ifthey attack then they're guaranteed Tike prizes. I meants kind of removesthat as an option yeah, it makes it so much more verseful. I really wouldencourage all of our viewers to get some reps in with the deck, becauseyou'll be surprised at how much different AF fels than normal ATP, Inormally think of ADP as being generally a smooth deck, but you knowwe all kind of know how it can kind of clunk up with energies, especially inthe Mid and light game. If you just don't draw n to your metal saucers andyou have energies and places that you don't want them and they're kind ofuseless or you have the discard too many energy, and now you just don't,have an attacker to build up, and this...

...list completely negates a lot of thoseweaknesses that ATP had now you're trading in some of those extra spicycards for just consistent, Bron longlines. But I think in a lot of waysit improves the deck and makes it much more potent. I would be surprised F. Wedon't see the stick pop up more in the future back from the mouth KPS on yeah. Absolutely absolutely we hadanother deck coming in at second place, which was the rapid strikeErshafoovimax playing it with dragopults and Octillery, which I knowwe were just talking before the cast that we ere saying in a lot of theserabit strike. Tects people are going away from actilery, maybe playing amore Garaci team up focus build I personally love actilery. I think it'snot getting enough credit, but certainly understand you know peopleare playing with Tarach, because that feels very similar to things that we'veseen just you know a couple years ago with Dad Saptos Guraci deck, so anythoughts there on either the list or just kind of rapid strike, Drago pults an Jah, so this variant of Jagopol haskind of been floating around. I've seen it in a couple tournaments. I've playedagainst t e online seems like a lot to set up. I don'treally like how thin you have to make your various lines to accommodate allof these stage ones. That's said I, the Dragon, polt orShefoo deck is really and O potent it's it's a little tough to deal with, justbecause it cover so many weaknesses. The only problem that that has is that,when it's not hitting for weakness, its damage can be kind of low right Thouh, if they're against them you oragainst the DECKPAT, will threaten one hit Caos back on them. That's when you see that deck kind ofstruggle it's. I also am not a huge fan of thedrag of all variant, just because the energy counts get a little weird. We talked about this last week as well,but find the right balance. O team, likeauroars an horrors and fitings and ESIC Sychics, and and all of that is just little bit messy, but I do conceptually like the idea ofpairing, Jacgboll and Ershi, and I think, if you're going to do that,despite the fact thatit's just besage ones Aso, he does have like a level ofconsistency that I feeu like the fariant, like thatkind of needs. Sure? U absolutely OIMEAN. Overall, I was there's a lot ofcool decks that are coming out at sad, though there's plenty of main staysthat haven't faded away either before we get into this, I do want to quicklycall out of Tetn Vmax, as really even popular lately wasn't as popular. I think Tho thefollgrip online, some of these other tournaments, but the TD maxis. Ever weare everywhere right now, it's all over the ladder. It's all over thesetournaments, it's crazy, I kind of called it yeah I mean I'm just just saying justsaying. I kind of did say that it was one of the better cards and I didadvocate it for it to be in our top ten, so no you're on you're right. You know, I think the one areaoveerytham struggles is the same one that I argued for as well as the isagainst these dxis. So you have to find those ways to deal with themeffectively in current format. You have all sorts of great options, though theprevailing build of Victini is really that Mutu based build where you havethe Mutu. The reshis are potentially the families are that does the threehundred firs jes attack and then using that to two or three two iftnv Max fline to deal with the Vpokemon. I just a E. I think the strength is just a so versatile and ituses walder so well also being able to leverage like other draw supporters. Soit's not like a tempozard or needs to welder every single turn, or else itwill lose guaranteed.

It's. You know it's just ficteeny whereyou like, you can attach attached and boss in the first two Ns or you canwalder and like build up these really big threats. Well, that's the thing toois like this. Deck is great in a sense that you can get up very early in agame and then, if you find yourself not hitting welders like welder, dex tendto do run hot or cold, you know you can go ahead and spreadflames. You know once maybe twice again: You built up this big advantage earlyright by knocking out your opponent that, had you know the V on the benchthat had a had an entergy attached show: okay, if it's against a turniis right,you ket yourself an extra turn. So that's when you can start to spreadflames, build some things up on the bench like it. Just all works out very,very well right now in the format and yeah, I'm certainly happy to see II,ttv Max performing well yeah, and I think one of the strengths of victinihonestly, I kind of conceptually put Vtd macsing the same bucket as likeadps Ashian, the differences you know APS acion isgoing to attach gx and then attack twice to try and win, whereas Victini illattach on attack a tack attack so still taking about the same amount of turms in their ideal against tate but Bitiniit attacks more times, whereas VD attacks wice and takes more prizes.Sure T so honestly, they're very similar, though, where they're tryingto like boss up your vulnerable poem on and pick them off or just explode. Theactive, no sure, that's that I think it fills the nichevery well h. One thing: That's really frustrating Thi tens, just those begxesI mean, even with all those options like staring down at Pekarom, can bereally frustrating for Vitini Tun down at the DNGX and be surprisinglyfrustrating for a victiny B Nex. You know and like you see this, you seethis in these online tournaments. You see it in the champions leap. You sawit all the time where people would just like leave a didenna up against ButiniB Max for T, and they couldn't do anything to good, which is just I mean Aronn. They cal swing in for ahundred and twenty but yeah. I understand your point like you'renotone shouting at the DENNA, which is really s yeah, I mean the thing: isthat that kind of deck like swinging for one twenty? What is t what yougoing to do with do Danna with on twenty on Ityou, got a boss it up laterin Koi right exactly exactly so. It just feels goofy, but it does put a tonof pressure. The point I was ultimately getting at is: it puts a ton ofpressure on. That's that our staware to set up, I think it's a really valuabletrait to have in this wormat ind general and, like generally, inPokemotn, like punishing your opponent for inconsistent setup, is just likesuch a trashin strategy. Yes, a hundred percent agree and it's it's the kind ofdeck that it doesn't mind going first or second, I don't think you eitherright, like you go first, you attach and then on your next turn, you gustyou go suck it. You maybe have some more welder plays or you have some. Youknow: Energy Acceleration view of CTEB, and so there's just not really anypunishing there as well. When you're talking about which position you go. SoI think that makes it really nice for kind of a longer tournament whereyou're not focused on okay. I need to go second because I need to get theflayr starter off where I need to go. Second, because I need to get a bolt onlike you can go first or second and really have good results. Either way agreed a hundred percent, so lots ofcool stuff with TV Max, I I mean I'm curious to see if there'slike new directions at the deck can be taken or do ways that people can apflythe card, but I mean right now that Mutu version is on a rampage yeah.Definitely well. Let's talk about some of the other top performing decks. Ihave the hagster season three number forty tournament up on my screen rightnow, and it's just a lot of you know. Surprisingly, a lot of the same we'reseeing a lot of lukario mal metal. Speaking of like fire decks tnow, wehave kind of the polar opposite, licario Mel Medal. Doing particularlywell Pikarom is still surviving. I...

...don't I don't know man, we keeppronouncing it dead. It keeps doing well, certainly on the back of Mutu, tocounteract those fighting type pership foos and then things like dragopauthings like ATP aternitis is still around. I mean this kind of feels likea lot of the same with maybe a little wrinkle. What do you think attributesto that sort of metagame? That is a lot of the same with just a few new decks,sprinkled in yere. I think of these decks. Honestly. The Caron eodal wasthe one that I think ended up being hurt the most by the new set, I'm justbecause yourtv Max really doesn't Unverrun the Caron am at all honestly.It's really tough to deal with the thing is, though, that Lecaramamahas really good matchups across the board outside of fixtb Max. So, ifyou're able to dodge it, you know you hit it one round, and then you playother things the rest around or like a lot of these online tournaments. Youknow you can cut it x to as theejournaal IDs or they cut to liketop sixteen s, so you Wuld Actlie, anoat Ol. No,they hit around or two of fire, and then they just beat everything else or like take good to good, evenmatchups, because everything else and they just end up cutting and theycontinue doing well. So I mean I played a lot of Thecarrio no metal like on theladder recently as well and honestly once you're, not in those fire matchups.It feels is so good, yeah sure sure, and I mean even when you do get inthose fire. Matchups like the vicndexs don'twe, have a lot of room to play,fan of waves or their own Guaritinas, or things like that, so those codingmetals can actually stick around. I mean it's not unheard of for Lu metal,dictiv, take down a VIC, tean yeah. I mean it's definitely not like a hundredzero. It's super unfavored for sure, but you can definitely get a codingmetal to stick and now a good, so sone e ent to play and end up pulling itthrough. So I mean the part of Othis is a lot of staying power, Pekrom andatturn. To this I think, there's two factors there. I think first off thefighting decks, maybe weren't as potent as we thought they were both in frengthand quantity, so o o they're not super heavily played and both of those deckskind of have ways around them. So you know you see the Attornithis tecksplaying the weekness card, the energies which, honestly, if you're playing oneof those fighting nexks, can be really frustrating you. Don't have like a fanof waves or gear teenager. Remove that sure you know it feels like iturn iskind of has to like up on you and then egerom obviously, has he the Muto whichYoure alluded to earlier, and I think Yougram also benefits a lot from notonly just the Moutu, but the fact that the stamp aralyzed strategy that theyutilize and Pekram is always going to be effective, no matter what matchupyou're against Eram is still to this day, like thebest user of reset stamp. It has the most play options availableto it. Ther in a way I mean we thought Pekeron would maybe struggle, but Ithink you know leading more into the Mutu finding new ways navigate thematchups and leveraging your resent stamps. Lik Y. You can get through somany situations that way. Yeah Yeah. I think one thing that has beeninteresting about pekeramis that I haven't been seeing a lot of peopleplay fan in their peakaround list. Switsh I feel, like is a mistake. Ihaven't played PGEROM in this new format too much, but I do still see alot of a team, El Grun and I kind of wonder okay. Why would you play tmyellgrunt when you could play you know, guaranteed card? That's a that's anitem yeah! Obviously there's you know counterplay right where Ye grund doeswork on basic energies and fan of waves doesn't, but I just feel, like that's an obviouskind of itinsial energyes, that my gram is most concerned about removing aren'tthe specials. So you know you're most concerned aboutthe darkness, energies on the...

...atternities you're most concerned aboutGorg water, energies or the or the metal of the ADP, now Granat at place.Aurora like Fanolas Wor, but in my mind, like the matchups Fer,the yolgrunt matters, the most the fan of ways won't help you and there's also the fact that AldagothYoll runt is like such a potent play as well. You Gots Firtrn, or a couple terture. Iwould just say you know itturn it is, is kind of on the decline it had. Thisreally, you know large explosion towards the end of the last format. Iwould say- and now it's you know, kind of receding still theyre still popular,but I just don't really think that you need a tech for that and the FireAirdex, I mean you know you're, going to win via some combination of you knowthe hammers. Don't really matter anyway to those kinds of decks, or at leastare not that significant, so wol, just something I've been think about. If Iplayed Pekroum this forman, I would definitely look to include at least onefan of waves in that team, young grunt, Slat yeah. I mean I guess I wouldn'treally consider it a suitable substitute for, like the role that Yogrunt fills. If I did that it would be more so because, like I just want anextra moval like in addition to Yo Gron Jorliy, like I play a one, yee grunds aone fan SR, or I just don't see like the need for Yall Grun in the Meta, butI want to have like a little extra kick. So I play way. I think a lot of peopleware playing special energies. I mean I'm trying to think of a deck thatdoesn't outside of like a Victini Dick, but maybe it isn't that big of a deal yeah I mean Iu, could definitely hurtyour your Licarios, but I don't think that many of the ADPS are on like aroarBronzong. Yet so I think ADP is going to be the deckthat you really want to go rat back, yeah for sure any other things thatyou're seeing from the hagster or just the tournaments in general that youwant to point out. No, I mean honestly ballestyle is kind of rationed up the format in the inexactly the kind of way I would have wanted it to where the decks that cameout of it aren't just steamrolling everything but they're, powerful andthey've, like they're suitable and their tournament contenders and they're really fun as well. So youknow I like to see like the previous decks continue to survive, while alsobeing an ecosystem where new decks are introduced in their fre. I think that'slike the best way that a set can go yeah. I think we're going to look backat this set and be very, very impressed with the set designers that just wereable to make something: That's new and fresh and good. You know certainlyrapid struke and honestly single strike, making a case for being. You know viable deck, but I think we'regoing to look back on this format right now and say yeah. This was a very, veryhealthy metagame, a lot of different options that people can go a lot ofdifferent metogame choices that people can make a lot of different texts thatpeople can play we're seeing a lot of mews we're. Seeing just a lot of you know unusual attackers. I thinkit's some of these decks, so it's really cool to see. Absolutelyabsolutely I mean do you have any other thoughts on this MENA before we closeaft this UPI? Well, I'm really surprised at how much me too is beingplayed actually that deck just didn't see a lot of play with a turnitis on onthe rise again in the last warmat. So it's really interesting to see weldermoutue just come roaring back is one of the most playdecks in the in the thatlast hegster tournament, so pretty impressive to see me to being able tocontend with some of these just outrageous femaxes. Absolutely I mean after it had such arough time. fers e turn of this itse. It's really cool to see. Hem come back,Det Yep awesome to let's shift gears then, and talk about the car of the dayfor today. So for today's cart of the day, background story, as I always do forpart of the day so the other day I had a friend overand...

...they live in the same apartment as me,and we were watching some cos and I wanted to show them my binder of Raulic,because I collect the RALIC card. Every single prink of Rallet I have and prize Balit right now is the shiny. No, I, although I didpull the shiny from a pack which was very coor, both copies of my shinyrallets are from packs, which is really a cool yeah. The prize Dralla, in my opinion, is thescream art, Ralet Thogh, there's a collection of cars inJapan, Rala being one of them that were based on kind of different artworks andthe Rallet one is based off the screen. So ralits all twist et up he's got theface on it's just such a cool card. It's nice like full art, and it's just awesome. I mean these arethe kind of promos that you wish. We would get in the states, sure N, that Roul is just so fun. Imean it. It takes up like it just draws attention to it like when es to book,though the R Rallet Minde, like that's the one that you want to look at trueand, it's just so cool like I lovethose kind of like artistic promos that that Japan gets honestly if it was liketha more reasonably price. I mean they're, not super expensive in the atthe end of the day, but, like you know, if I could like go tout of the storeand get something that would contain one of those or get a promo from someevent like. I will definitely do that. They're. Just so awesome. Holliday today is the Screem bralletthere's plenty of other great rallits. I think my second favorite one would beh the one in the backpack you know want to talkg about nop. I do yeah the backpack Rallet, I'mshot Tho Shan ligning for help me get that one noolis his not soar, email, it's reallycool and you should check it out. If it's your first time hearing about it,you sould just look at that. Whole collection of cartons, they're, reallyawesome, agreat cart of the day, but shifting gears again to our closinghalf of the day we got to talk about what's been going on in the tournamentscene. Here we're not talking about orselt. So the other day a scandal came up wheresomeone was allegedly caught. STREAN sniping that person ended up. Being I don't know if Theyre disqualifiersgot a double game on they end up being out of the tournament after theevidence was presented. This cause a lot of discourse about you know what isappropriate with regards to enforcing of rules when it comes to streamsniping. Who Does the owness of responsibility fall on to to preventStrean, snaping and honestly, JW and thet were startingto talk about this a d we kind of just stopped ourselves, because we wanted to kind of talk this through live thou job.I just kind of want to open up Tou start with like what are your thoughtson this situation. You know: Where do you think we need to like look toimprove or change our procedures to make sure things are flowing? Soly Ogive me like your General Shpiel here absolutely. I think that it is anytimethat we catch somebody cheating and again. I wasn't. I didn't have firsthand account knowledge of this happen. HAP entance wow words tonight, but I think that you know any time that wesee cheating it has to be punished. I think that anyone would say that in acompetitive environment, whenever someone is gaining, you know UN unusual, an Unan. You know intendedadvancement of the game like that in a way that that could be deem cheating,which I would imagine that you know being able to look at your onis hand,would constitute that. So, if someone is doing that intentionally that youknow should be should be punished, so the question becomes: How do we dealwith it? GOING FORWARD? Is it's something where like? How can you provethat somebody's cheating, I think...

...that's one of the silliest things islike to be caught. Cheating in an online environment means that you haveto make yourself publicly known that you're in the stream of the streamer,and so it just seems like the the silliest thing for a person to ever getcaught cheating. You know what I mean right like going Tagnita Ote, yeah yeahlike go in Cognita Mone make a separate account. I'm not saying I'm notadvocating tat again Jist, like don't hear me WROCG. No, I know what shemeans. I know what you mean, it's like. How do you catch someone doing this?You know yeah if they're like doing it reasonably yeah, not posting and chatlike not using the user name, I mean, even if they have their own easer namelike. If you don't know about it and don't treck the youere listing thosepeople, I don't think have their realize to open all the time aright.You know, how do you even catch that and I think that's a valid point. Imean even within that, like just because they're in your veur list thatmean they're actively looking at your game. Are they listening to the commentary?Does that count? Are they just looking at the chat? Does that count arightright Ar did they make, I mean, and the other thing too is like: Did they makekind of a suboptimal play that maybe was optable in that situation? I couldthink of one where it'd be like. Did they play a reset stamp on turn one,and did they do it because they knew what was in your hand, or did they doit because they just wanted to play that card for some other reason, orthey just didn't think about it, or I mean maybe a misclick or something likethat, but you know how do you? How do you police that right so- and I largely agree with that-like I think conceptually, you know, if you're caught stream snaking, youshould be punished for that, like that is by the books. CEATING like you're.Looking upon his hand, I'm pretty sure in the players, Cup rules andregulations that even mentioned something about stream sniping the presson is. There is definitelyagainst the spirt of the game at the very least. But how do you have someone doing thatand he I don't really have a good answer for that, like I think, even ifyou provide all the best evidence you can at the end of the day, it's stilllike kind of anecdotal have like he said s. She said thing and without like having almost like ascreen, share for every player of a tournament being monitered by a judge.It's like yea. You can't do that yeah. You can't like manage that yeah and itbrings up like larger questions, to which I don't want to get into all ofthese today. But you know the online environment kind of like opens itselfup to some of these, like almost like UN accounted for, I guess,like cheating methods, you know all the time we have peoplelike in calls online, like you know, with their friends liketalking through all their plays like does that count is shooting notnecessarily by the rules the tournaments, but like. Would you everdo that in real life? Like obviously not well, and that's? I think I thinktoo. I mean that brings up a point to about the people that stream right andsaying okay. Well, if I watch chat, is that getting an advantage because I'mgetting more input more way like what, if yourwhat is you're playing ithanother streamer and your tack goes into that stream and tell these thingslike it's so difficult to like pinpoint this and like really draw the line. Ithink, at the end of the day, like streams, I ming is an active actionlike you're, taking a specific choice to gain knowledge that you shouldn'thave otherwise, so you knof o itself. I think etreame sinting is obviouslycheating and should be punished. It's just. How do you ever monitor that isjust so difficult? It super tough. So then the conversation is kind of pewedoff of that is you know where does responsibility tolie? Is it us, the Lial, with tournament organizers, to try andprevent it, or does it lie on the streamer to kind of guard themselvesfrom that harm? I myou know: Do they put a handcover? Do they they have a delay. So what are your thoumagic? Well, it'sreally tough as a streamer right where your content should be the most important thing. So whenyou're telling me that I should have to...

...change the content like I as a streamer,I'm trying to grow the game by streaming the game right, eitherconsciously or unconsciously, like I am promoting the game. And so, if you wantpeople to grow the game, then you know obviously the way that you do that isto play with you know as openly as possible, no delay and no covering ofany kind. But, like you said that gets into some tricky situations where it'slike. You could sacrifice the content that you're producing in order to saveyourself for being stream sniped or you could open yourself up to thepossibility of being strag sniped and have arguably worse content. So it'sit's really tough as a content creator, and I really feel for someone likesomeone like a zool or Andrew, or I mean really any content creator forthat matter, but just like especially the people that make the living off of playing online where their content isthe most important thing. You just really are kind of handcuffedand what she can do agreed I mean my take on it is- is pretty similar. Ithink you know you can't hell the content created like I don't know how exactly tophrase this,but you can't expect the content creators. I guess to shift the way theywere producing content as to avoid sniping Bu. I think it comes down to you know.What do you value more individually? Do you value your? I guess sanctity ofyour tournament run and protecting that, in which case, I would almost say likejust don't even stream it at all. That's like the most important thing,because, even with a delay like there'sinformation that can be poing and you can learn about price cards, you canlearn about even the hand. I mean the hand, canstay the same or like just build up for a couple minutes at a time. Bu, like a delay, doesn't fixed theproblem out right. A handcam does kind of fix things, but I would also saylike to the viewer. Handcam is really frustrating honestly, it's Ye isuallyis unpleasing. It's you know kind of takes away from the experience because,like I mean don't e Jo, like that its I lik is wan like. If I can't see yourhand, what am I even watching for right exactly so, I don't know it's kind ofweird. I will shift the conversation once again. Is there anything thatcould be implemented in the game? Now, I'm not that particularly well versedin any of of the other card games or or any other strategy games like online. That would have any sort ofanti sheeting measures, but is there something that pokemon the guys thatDirewolf could do to prevent, or at least help prevent anysort of cheating, while still allowing streamers and other content creators toproduce that content on a real time basis? I don't really think so. I mean inthese other card games like Har, stone, obviously huge online environment. Theymostly use like the combinations of delays and handcovers, and I think, if Blizzar doesn't havethe framework, then I don't see direwill topic either and that's noteven just a slam on Dirol jazs. I just think it's like a huge ask. Yeah Yeah and probably intrusive, one as welllike it, they would need to have more access than Maye them to right. So I mean no, I mean, I think, at the endof the day, it's kind of what I was hearkening at, which is you have to make that choice. Like isyour tournament Rin the think it matters more to you or your content. I think for a lot of these tumers. Theanswer is the content, at least for some of these, like smaller events, where you know like for a hegster forpacks like maybe they don't care necessarily if they get nine common ismore important to lit's like enjoy the experience with your viewers, know if weu're in the Players Cupfinals, like maybe you don't dream that, because I grand is on the line, yeahand that's more important at the time.

I think those are just like maybeyoujust record it for later in, like moderbyw or something I think it comes down to the individualevent, but I don't think as well on a lot of discourses seem to focus toomuch on like. Where does the responsibility line and like obviouslythe streamers, are making choices that make them vulnerable? But that's justit's such a bad mentality. I think to blame the streamer for being snived right, like obviously they didn't maketheir stream the most secure way possible, but I don't think it'sanalogous to like leaving your house unlocked, or I mean I think thatanalogy is almost more comparable to like you know, going out and likeskinpy clothing right like tha, it's I mean it's absolutely victim blaming tosay yes to the streamer like you should have blocked your hand like that isvictim blaming at the same time your you are. You know I think you can havethese simultaneous truths right where you have yes, Ye. Definitely Bigablaming to blame the streamer so like the a hundred percent of the onus is onthe person that is doing the stream sniping and yes, they should bepunished if they are ever caught at the same time. You know you are opening yourself uplike there's just you know. I think you can have those simultaneous trues atthe same time. Yeah. I guess that's fair and you are right like it is it's both victim blaming, but there'salso more things that you can do. I mean that's said it's just like, and this kind of goes back to the point.I was thinking earlier, where, like there's just new methods of doingthings in the online landscape that you couldn't do before, if tethe deternments just aren't thesame right like you know, you can do all the things in the world and yourpontint could still be doing sketchy things regrardless of if they can see yourhand or not, and those things could just never be caught just by natureepalties. On my tournaments work, this is, I will also say. I will alsosay that the Prizeis for these online tournaments are not worth streamstiping, for I also just want to say that right got worth your dignity. Yeah,honestly, you know if you're out there and you're like hey, I can I could youknow I could go on I' twitch an I could get a free wind here. It's like Bro,like the wind that you got, is like five extra packs like right lat. Whatare you doing? T is really no benefits or very minimal benefits to doing soanyway, so I don't know yeah I mean I think at the end of theday. The the lesson for the viewers here is, you know, hold yourself to the rightstandard and hold your friends as well. You know it's super common, these daysfor like people to be in chats and dispords ging to like talking abouttheir games, yeah and that's one thing like not necessarily ageint the rulesto do that and these online tournament a say as well like. If you hear aboutyour friends like doing these kinds of things, even in these pisscords, likeOm a layoff like you know, we should create the cultureof ofdoing the right thing right, likejust I mean even taking this like a real life example. Just because youdidn't get caught, pomming a car doesn't mean that it wasn't cheatingand then it wasn't the wrong thing to do like take your wins and losses withdignity o play the games o the best that you can with the arts that you'redealt commens information that you have abeiable to you and make the best of that. I almostthink of this makes me kind of thing and I've thought about this ever sinceit happened the other day. It reminds me that one tournament- I don't know ifyou were there, where there was like a glass ceiling that was refructive, Ithink they Havta one year. It's like yeah, your opponent couldlook up and see your Carprobay, but nobody did because hey it's obvious. Ifyou're doing that, but doyou like that's just horrible, that's awful andlike you don't do that. So I don't think that we need to tell anyof our listeners that right, I don't think our listeners are the problem, Ithink- and I don't think necessarily their friendoeds other problems, but Ithink it's about creating the culture...

...of like being honest players who aredoing their best and calling those things out when you see them, whether they're in your front groups or,like maybe larger acquaintances like don't be afraid to make sure that we'realso like working to enforce and build up that culture of being honest andtrough. The game. Yep absolutely think. That's a great place to leave thatconversation, yeah, so perfect, segue coming up here, ifyou're looking for ways to flex that honesty and enjoy the Fokmon gamefurther. The next fullgrip online series is in two weeks here on Tuesdaythat be sure to check that out and bring all your battlestyles actionthere and, if you're looking to refill on codes, they get ready for thatYothis. This is so good right yeah. If you're looking to red the longGos to get to that tournament, make sure you go to fullgrup codhcomand check them out, they'll have all your code needs there, a true salesman. They better give me the big BUKSwitthout one. That's right! THAT'S RIGHT DU! Have you any closing thoughts as wewrap up today? Li think that Pokemy tradingcard game is fun. I'msurprised that this screen peaking scandal is coming out aslate as it did. I mean think about it. We've had oer year O online tournaments.So I'm surprised that this wasn't a thing earlier I mean. Certainly it wasmaybe going on and now it's just somebody getting caught, but even atthe same time, I think that it's surprising that it's gone this longbefore somebody got caught. So I think you hear this and you mightthink. Oh Yeah, you know the community is very negative and, like there's allthis thing, these things happening a lot of rampant cheating, but Idefinitely don't think that's a case. I think, on the whole, people are verymuch not in it for for the prizing and notreally. You know here to Yeah Man Day: People Are Entering these tournamentsevery day because they like the packs they yeah intering them because theirfather, they enjoy the game and they want to go do their best. Absolutelyabsolutely so, I think we're still fine. I love the game. I love the communityand think you guys for making out what it is, and I love where it's headed tooI'm really liking. The new cards agree so be sure to rate and review on yourfavorite podcasting platforms. It really helps boost us up in those alltwo precious algorithms sure to give us a follow on twitter, at smoth, RilesReal John Walter and tag team Pokemon for myselftw and the cast, and we willcatch you at the same place same time. Next week, thes SYEA.

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