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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 36 · 1 year ago

3-36. Ee-V's Card

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are reunited! Come check out their analysis of the newest Eevee cards, as well as the Player's Cup IV. Don't miss out on this beast of an episode!

You know what's up. Guys. Welcome back to tag team, reunited once again, where the POKEMON trading card games for Mirror podcasting and do. My name is Rialley Hobart joined as recently my good friend Mr JW Curry. Wall J W, how you going to do today? I am going and doing well, Riley, there so much, glad to hear ass. Yes, yeah, sorry, we missed last week. Guys, I was out of town, so that's on me. It's out of town my sister's wedding. So well, not my sister, my sister in law. I guess she's my sister now. I don't know what I've some people praise it differently. I actually wanted to do like a very like statsy episode on the players cuff last week and then I was feeling like very ill on the Wednesday so I just left instead. Okay, okay, full transparency to listeners. I felt like there was something going on because I like I had forgotten to tell you that I was going to be gone. We had some excitement over the weekend Riley, it's up to you, man to carry the torch you're gonna have to be alone again for the week. And Rileyx, like, I knew you're like Bruin something and then I didn't see an episode come out and I was like something problem, hung up at work or something. Yeah, I can bonus of sometime with kind of stuff I was thinking about, but nevertheless, we're here, we're back and we're raring to go. You know you. How's it? How's it been? Hang it man you since you've been MEA? Yeah, well, it's it's been really good. Got To see a really great wedding, the house stuff. You know, if you've been watching any of the other content, you'll know that that's the big excitement right now in the Krewall family. So things are good. Can't really complain. Jobs going well. I'm just waiting for the for the bad news to hit. Say that. Okay. Well, I guess the bad news for me has been players cut, but we'll get to that later on in the episode. There you go, and can't have everything right. That's right. Yeah, exactly. There's got to be some some weakness for me. But but how about you, Riley? What's new? Nothing, nothing much going on new. I'm actually going to see my family for the first time since Christmas or two thousand and nineteen. Next week they I'll be recording from my parents house next to you, which will be fun. But really I'm just it's been living it up, man. I've been in reading of it working out. Make a lot of progress, and both fronts, or repeat. The followers of the cast you might remember my New Year's resolutions. Read a book them on and now two books ahead of the curve. So she can, you can kind of slack a little bit in June blocking. I'm actually just going to keep going. I think I'm going to get probably four books ahead this month. Wow, as the books I'm reading, I told you before how the books I was reading were like one hundred page homes, and I finish that series. So now I can read like much lighter books. That sounds very nice. Yeah, I can only imagine. Also also becoming like a manager at work, at work, so I'm taking a bunch of classes and stuff. WHOA, that's sweet. So is that like a pay increase or what? I believe? So the process of little nebulous to me, but yeah, I'm excited for it at the least. Like I think one of my strength professionally is like coaching people up and, you know, making the feel welcome and yeah, I try to show that through like in the cast as well. But so that's where I want to like be able to give back to other people who are joining the company or like joining my team. Is for that they have like a welcome fostering space to grow. Yeah, or sure, for sure, I could see you being good at that. Oh, yeah, I mean things are going well, but things are, as ever, developing in the POKEMON world. Of You. There's lots of new cards since you were last on the podcast. I know, I know it. We're not going to cover everything, but these are just some of the some of the highlights that I think we're worth noting. There were some new cards that were just released yesterday in Dream Ball and treasure energy, that I want to make sure that we definitely hit on. So treasure energy, when attached to a pokemon, this provides one colorless energy and has a really unique clause that we've kind of seen before in relation to the prize cards. When you took this prize, as you know, as a facedown price card, before putting it in your hand, you can attach it to one of your pokemon instead. So kind of similar to like a you know, a Geraci prism star right that, if it's prized and you take it, you get some additional bonus effect. Well, instead of taking an additional prize with Geraci prism star or you know whatever other you know effects that there are that do something similar, you get to attach that energy to one of your...

...pokemons. I think really cool. I'm always happy when they have that kind of prize card interaction because the prize cards and Pokemon or something that make it, you know, unique to that to this game, and so to just have more interaction with the prizes like that's that's always cool. Yeah, yeah, and if you're feeling especially lucky, you could use your Geraci prism star to hit a tricure energy. That would be pretty busted, wouldn't it? Though, there is also another card interacting with their prizes in Dream Ball and dream balls very similar fact, if you take it as a face down price card. Yet the effect of that card now Dream Ball. You can't play from your hand. Is like the difference there. But with Dream Ball you get to put any pokemon onto your bench right there. So you got stage so directly onto your bench. Yep, exactly, and it doesn't state, you know, it doesn't have to be a Non v Pokemon, right, you could put Vmax on your bench. I right. So there's just like so much application for this one card. I've seen people be a little luke warm on it or even sour on it, saying that it won't see play. But this one has like, in my mind, a ton of potential. You look at a card, it's just an item card. So it's not like it's even a supporter or something like. It's not like there's some other additional restriction or like it's a one of card that you can only play in your you know, one of in your deck. Like you can play for these guys. You can get them into the prizes with the the the that shuffle peony or be any right, Peyonia, Peonia. There we go. Thank you. You can, you know, put them into your prizes, like intentionally stack them into your prizes and then you get to get any POKEMON. There's no restriction there. So I think there's a lot of things that make this card seem really good. It doesn't have any kind of restrictive quality to it that I can tell. So feel like there's going to be some kind of application to this. Now, is it going to see widespread play? No, no, absolutely not, you know, but there's going to be a deck out there that uses it and that utilize as it extremely well. Yeah, I don't know if I'm quite as like overtly hot on it as you, but I do think, like with the Peonya there the potential is definitely there. What I'm looking for in Dream Ball is a consistent way to like get it to your prizes. Yonia is obviously, I can obvious way to do that. They're I'm hoping there might be others that are a little simpler than a supporter. And then I'm also looking for a way to take it out of your prize is consistent. So what I mean by that is if you even if you have the craziest like Stage two base deck in the world or v Max deck in the world, you need to have a way to retrieve that dream involved from your prizes. So you need a way to take knockouts before then, and that's the part that's I think that's the beast of the puzzle that's missing for me right now. Right this will kind of lead into the next set of cards we're talking about, but I'm looking to Sylvia and v Max's potentially being something that bridges that gap. I'm just because the Sylvan v seems to have like a with the the badge's associated with it being able to reduce the prizes. It's syll beon takes in the fact we haven't seen the vmax yet, I almost have an inkling that it'll interact with the prizes in some way. So I'm curious to see if maybe that's how it manifests. Nevertheless, like super cool card and I'm excited to see like all that that a and b like criteria got filled. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean nailed it right there when you said like they're. There is kind of that restrictive sense to the card in the fact that you have to take a knockout right like there's no other real way to draw a prize other than to take I guess you could play for missing clover and expanded, but that seems a little, you know, obtuse. In any case, do it'll be to put it? Yeah, yeah, it's a cool card, even even if it never sees the lighted day in any capacity. I'm just happy pokemon Prince these cards. Okay. So moving on to maybe the more relevant but maybe less exciting cards. That is alluded to it the v Max has of the evolutions. So we don't have an evolution for the Sylvian v Max, but we do have one for every other vmax and every other nflution. Oh and no leafy on. Good call. Yes, yes, yes, no, leaf you on, but that is heavily implied via the frozen leaf badge where it says attaches to a leaf EON or Glasian. Anyway. So there are These v Max has the evolutions and then they also have associative badges, the tool cards that go along with them, you know, going down the list, I think they pourion's really interesting here with...

...the water pot attack. Put a Pokmon from your discard pile on your bench and then attach up to three water energy from your just card piled that Pokmon. Seems like a really interesting concept. But generally speaking, these kinds of attacks that don't do damage and, you know, set up other pokemon are generally not as good. Certainly some viability in the fact that vapor and just has a lot of health, but like you look at an attack like this like pekarram right has has kind of a similar thing. Right, attached three energy from your deck to a Pokemon on your bench. Right, you're setting up a POKEMON for the future, but you do damage, right. So so you're putting more pressure on your opponent, whereas this Vay poreon you're taking something from the discard. So first you have to find pokemon in the discard and put the water energy in the discards. Is a little more restrictive and you're not doing any damage. So it seems a little hard to finagle that, especially in the early game, right when you're wanting to set up multiple pokemon. And then has a pretty yeah, man attack Max rapids a hundred damage and then does a hundred more damage if the opponent's active has any damage counters on it. So they pour on. Not Not too exciting. But Joel Te on, on the other hand, I think has some very competitive viability. What do you think about this? Jolti On v Max. Yeah, and actually just the plug. One more thing. If a poor on is actually rapid strike Pokemon, which is a cool little extension of those existing archetypes. Actually, as we go through this list, I'm surprised that Joel Tian isn't a rapid strike pokemon because we've seen the lightning precedent with with the Aurora E as a as a rapid strike type, and the attack on this shold on definitely fits in with like the rapid strike style. For so Joel ty on vmax as the Max thunderclap attack and as a hundred damage. And then it is a hundred more damage to one of your opponent's bench pokemon that already has damage on it. So you know you're effectively doing two hundred damage with the attack, but a two different POKEMON. As long as there's damage in play somewhere on the board, that's pretty awesome. I think you can find some really interesting use cases for this in dex that either utilize sniping or are looking to take like multi hit knockouts or or even trying to set up like huge multi price turns. So I think this car is really interesting. The only thing that really holds it back right now is the extreme prevalence of on broken bonds mew, but with that rotating in the near future and by the time we get this set like really will have like two weeks that you left, I see a lot of potential for the jolty on and like a multi hit Kao Meta. Yeah, I think that's a great great analysis of this card should be a really interesting one. I could see it being played and expanded to potentially just you know, you're looking for, always looking for lightning type evolution attackers to try to get around, you know, the bio plumes, another wall de x and in the expanded I think the Snipe is certainly something that you look for. Is being very strong there as well. So Gel ty on vmax, love it, love it, love it. Moving on to flurry and on vmax. You bring up that rapid strike of the vaporion wild. Flarry on is a single strike attacker Max eruption fire, colorless, colorless, hundred damage. Discard the top five cards your deck. This deck does a hundred damage for each energy card you discarded in this way. So maximum of you know, do the math. They're five hundred damage, but getting those energy to the top is going to be a tall order. Yeah, the flurry on, I wish there is a little more roof to it. Like to me it feels like you're putting in a lot more work to get US SANDACON to emplay basically. Yeah, and like the santacona deck, only is one energy attachment and it's one prize and and it barely works. And so now you're looking at Larry on and your multi prize, your multiple attachments. Yeah, the damage is higher. Of It doesn't really seem worth it to me. I wish there was like some other effect at discarding those energy dick like maybe fre each energy you discard you can attach it somewhere or like something. I think that would be necessary to make this card viable. Sure, yeah, I agree with you there. I mean it just feels like we've seen these kinds of attacks before and they've generally never worked. Not only are you variable in your attack power, but you're just straight up discarding card. So, like you, there's there's a very like limited amount of time for you to be able to make use of this attack, and so a lot of things kind of kind of add up, not in flurry once favor. Yeah, of course there are more than just the original three evalutions. We have the gent too as well. So we have s beyond, and I'mbry on vmax s beyond with the sun notification ability. As long as it's in play. Any of your pokemon with energy attached aren't affected by the effects of your opponent's attacks, and then it just has basically psychic...

...as its attack, but for sixty times. So as beyond school, I mean it seems like largely it's attack more than like something that you rely on as an attacker, and maybe you'll find its way into something like a like Calie rex shadow rider to kind of deck as a if there's ends up being some effects of attacks that really harm it. Otherwise, I don't really see like a huge place for s beyond there is really cool alternate art of it, though that will certainly be report a lot of money. I have been in love with some of the arts that they put out. Did you see that they're putting out a kind of Japanese art style crammorant and Pikachu? I did see that. Yeah, Oh my Gosh, I'm in love. Yeah, that's a real love. They are doing great things. It's amazing. Like, why weren't they putting out great art? Well, they were putting out great art back when I started, but like, why aren't they putting out great art when I, you know, ten years ago, when I could buy the cards for, you know, twenty bucks. What's the deal here? I'm just sure. I'm just kidding. It's it's great. The real thing is like they put out lots of great art over the years, but it's only at this point in my life that I couldn't play. I have the money on by it and now is time high. Like it's it's that. That's how I feel with the House is buddy. That's how I feel about all right. Moving on down to the Umbrian VMAC single strike once again, here ability dark signal. As, a lot of people are talking about this card. For it turn it is, but I'm not so sure. Says when you play this card from your hand to evolved on your pokemon during a turn, switch one of your opponent's bench pokemon with their active. So it's basically a gust a like and rock gx style effect. But I think there are few things that just maybe don't make it worked out well. And at turn it is. First of all, at turn it this is just super fast already, so I don't know that slamming in a stage one is going to, you know, be anything that improves your deck. Like you're adding some kind of inherent inconsistency to the deck and secondly, the attack is just never going to be powered up in an eternity is deck. So I think there's a little bit of a liability. With the two prize retreat. You got a kind of mediocre attack that will never be powered up and the ability isn't particularly good. So I cannot see umbreon being or than like a one one maybe in a turnityis and I honestly don't even think that because we have boss. So I don't know, unless you're really trying to boss things, but like what are you trying to get on the bench that you can't just use boss's orders for? Anyway. Yeah, I I feel pretty similarly. You know, obviously this is a great and like precedented as great ability in that dark signal, but theirs C eyes, whatever you want to refer to it as bright eyes, all that kind of stuff. But the fact that it turn it is is a it's trying to Max out on consistency and this just muddeles that down and be like you're already playing a heavy count of boss and you have that Crobat engine. Unless you draw into the boss pretty reliably. Now will this open up potential plays that you couldn't get otherwise, like the research of the Marny plus boss. Of course, like that is a given by virtue of how the way the card works. Is that actually like adding a value to the attorneys deck? On average? I would say no. I mean you see them straight away from playing other stage. One like the toxic croke variant is definitely very much on the low right now compared to just playing as consistent as possible, and I don't really see a reason for a deck like a turn is to stray away from that formula. Yeah, absolutely, a CEB Geel in the chat says I brenstibility is nice, but we have enough gust options right now. It doesn't seem worth it. I mean there's even things like, you know, escape rope that you could play in a turn. It is right now. That just isn't being played Feo, and I guess you know, okay, of course you can't play that. You know with more than for Pokemon any ready, but there's just all I'm saying is like there's other options out there that you know people aren't playing right now in atturney. So I don't know that taking out cards to put in umbrey on is going to be you know what you want to do. However, if there was ever a deck that you know maybe could fit it in, like you look at a turn its hammers, you just take out four hammers, slapping a tout umbry on, you know, maybe maybe and maybe the umbrey on V is particularly good. Maybe that has an ability that just makes a lot of sense. You know, a couple of damage. You know, maybe it's like kind of a boosted zigzagoon or something where you play it down and it does to damage to one of your Ponis. But like there could be something like that where it's like, okay, the umbre on V is actually very good for the eternity is deck. Thought Umbro on V is just makes as well. Oh it is. Okay, yeah, it's not any I haven't seen it yet. Well, okay,...

...then then scratch, scratch that whole cut that bit. Okay, cut that segment. They're right, and we'll cut that in post. Yeah, yeah, all right. So moving on from the umbre on we have our final evolution that has been revealed. Of course, we talked that there's leafyon and silvion still to come, but glacion vmax ability, crystal veil prevent all damages. The POKEMON by attacks from your opponents Pokemon v Max, except for Glacion v Max for whatever. Yeah, seems weird, seems unusual, but I guess they wanted to prevent some kind of weird like like untimed thing or right or timing issue right in competitive play, where you just have like two Galacion Dex and just can never hit each other. That seems horrible, but anyway. So similar ability to Zomba's e't that we currently have, which makes me like it makes this card immediately kind of creditable, like I give this card a lot of credit just on the ability alone. And then it has an attack that's pretty decent as well. Max Icicle one hundred and fifty decked this thirty damage to one of your opponent's bench pokemon. So a little bit of a boosted night spear for those of you that that no one dark cry x. What do you think about this card, Riley? I'm not super hot on it, to be honest, at least in the immediate future, mostly because I think Samasonto fills that job better at the moment. You know, it's a it's a basic as opposed to effectively a stage one. It also is weak to metal, which is definitely a de Merit in my books. You don't want to be weak to the metal type. So not a huge fan of glacier on as it stands right now. I think glacion is a car with like some longer term potential. Like give it, you know, another rotation and all the sudden, like me Max's are all the play and there's no Zamas into anymore because it's rotated, and you know, maybe glacian finds a niche at that point. I would be surprised if it's the water deck of choice, though, if, in its immediate release, I think peop would rather play something like the Ice Rider Cali rex instead. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Now, so Glecieon v Max. Rounding out our EV lutions. We got a couple of tools here. Frozen Leaf Badge, moon and Sun Badge, elemental badge, ribbon badge. Any of these standouts you? I do think we need to go through them all, but any stand out to you, Riley, as being particularly playable? Um, yeah, I think of the badges that the elemental and the snow and leaf badges are the most interesting. Elemental basically being like a what was the name of the tool that you would put on the like the Guard Sho. I got like a counter game, not like a kind of like a counter game, but it always works. So what was that? Am I missing it from from recently? No, there was. It's an old card, the one, yeah, on the key's yeah, yeah, it's Kund game. Bro, that's not counter game. Counter game isn't new card. What the heck? It's a team galactics would wow. Okay, I can see it. I can see. Yeah, I can see the card, team Galactic Card. You know, it's got a little circle on it. It has a little jutting out peas. Anyway, yeah, it provides a cause, energy and elemental batches the same thing. So if you're a poreon, joltyon or flay on, the original three, you pay one less, call less. That's obviously great. And if there's every like another very pririon jolti on our flay on, like you know, slap didn't. So that's cool. Snow and leaf badge is the other one that's interesting to me. I'm going to feel so stupid when you look this up and got the name. I know, I know, I know, I know. And Snow only badges the other one that appeals to me. It reduces glacier and leafyons. REGIEK costs zero, so that definitely is something that the glacier on deck could benefit from. It's just like pivoting around a lot of different glacions on that are all immune to v Max's. So I think that is actually good. Son, a moon badge in the and the ribbon badge are kind of math. That's just bro. It's just energy game. It's just energy game. What is what? A simple name? Yeah, very self. Yeah, you're like, yeah, I loved it, because you're like you're explaining it. You're like, yeah, it's like it gives you an energy when you play it. I was going to say like sp and something. I've left time. Yes, yes, so, so, yeah, I think I'll. I think the tools are okay. I think snow and leaf and hell metal definitely are the best of the group, though. I do you have any to sending fonts there, then I think. I mean, I don't really think that many of them will see play and it, I mean, it all just kind of also depends on what pokemon right are going to be played like. If the oper on never sees play, then you'll never see the sun and move badge right. So, but happy again that they're printing these kinds of cards to boost these, you know, various yeah, bad or...

...good archetypes. Very cool. So that is all for there's actually one new card I wanted to mention that wasn't in the EV batch, as well as the we talked about this card. It's the Oh, we did, we did, we did. That's the news or our cards. So I was arc as, the ability illusion transformation, where basically you swap this or arc with another stage one in your discard pile, though, that is super, super cool owns opens up all sorts of opportunities to play, sort of like stage one toolbox. He kind of decks like you would did or prism star. The difference is like you directly evolved this arc and then swap its, opposed to evolving the DITTO and to the respective thing that he wants. So I don't know if it'll find a media play, but I love age one kind of decks are our side, my favorite and Pokemon. I think they're really interesting and versatile, though I like pokemon giving support stage ones agreed, and that is the end of the curds. And Cut. Okay, so now we're going to move on to the card of the day, which I have the pleasure of bringing to you all, and before I do that I just want to say if you have any questions in the chat for the end of the cast up, please feel free to to bring those up. But my card today is a part that I collected a number of. I think I have about, I don't know, ten of them, and that that for me constituted like a large collection of one single card about eight or nine years ago. But this card just immediately caught my eye as being a promo that was unique, weird, unusual, and I ended up trading some guy on Poka Jim, you know, some hollow for a bunch of these cards. I don't really know why, but I did, and I don't even know how much it cost now I don't, I mean probably not much. It doesn't matter. But it is a black star snore lax card. That's very cute because it has a little evy sleeping next to him and it's got a bunch of Z's in the background. So in the card there's a big yellow Z. it's really gaudy actually, because the the Z is like the focal point of picture and then, like you just happen to have a snore lax there, right. So then the snore lax is doing you know, he's doing a Zz's easy and then there's a big Z and it's a pretty just unusual card because, like the main more than fifty percent of the card art is a Ze. But for some reason I love it. I think it's cute. Guard got evy sleeping, got snore LAC sleep. It's like me and my wife. You know, that would be a an actual shot of me and my wife. So so I love that snorels. I think it's a I think it's a great card, the early brewings of of Ev and Snore laxe tag team. Got Dad's right. I hadn't even thought of it. That's soap poggers. That's exactly what it is. That's super cool. I don't I don't know if I know the guard you're verging to. What's the pro number? It is Promo number forty nine, I believe. Yeah, you want me to send you the pick. Oh, I do know this card. Yeah, yeah, with the gigantic yellow Zy. I was like my mind's I was picturing it totally differently based on your description. Yes, yeah, yeah, it kind of looks like it's drawn and college pencil almost. Yes, definitely right. It looks like a first sketch. Yeah, that card is great, cool one for sure. So okay, card of the day over, let's move into probably the meat and potatoes of the episode, that is Players Cup Four. So Players Cup for brings with it a lot of angst, a lot of excitement. I think there are a number of people that are probably pretty happy with where they're at right now, probably a lot of people that are listen to this cast and maybe don't even care because they're already done with their keys. But there's a lot of us that haven't started or have been slowly making our way through the keys, and I think that's both of us, Riley. So, yeah, yeah, and you know, and that's fine. People do it at their own pace. I am fifteen keys in and I am not doing well. I'll be straight up. I haven't found a deck that I like I was on. I think I've lost in the first route. So one of the things I was really proud of in Players Cup three I was really happy that I only lost in the first round. I think. I think if I'm I could be remembering completely wrong, but it was like five, maybe maybe seven or less times. I wanted to say it was around five, but it might have been like a little higher. So maybe like seven or less time.

So I was really happy that I was always like at least grinding out a point from every tournament right, and that's like just kind of showing me that consistency and, you know, being being there in the conversation to get the three or five points that you really kind of need to aim for to do well. But coming into players cup four, had that same kind of excitement. Start off with peak rom just really I don't know, wasn't finding it to be particularly good. Switched over to real a boom for a bit, switched to a turn. It is luke metal. I've been playing a bunch of different things, trying to find a groove. I just haven't found it. There's a streak of five tournaments in a row where I lost in the first round. Turn after her and after turn it, after Durn, and it was all just there, you know, ridiculous stuff ranging from the dog to, you know, the grindiest game where my opponent just had one little out and then they hit it or playing, you know, a terrible matchup where they just set up perfectly. I think guy had that one time against a against a mad party, where I was like they literally couldn't have picked out, you know, a better set of cards. Right, they were discarding everything and energy was flowing and it was all perfect. In those things happen, for sure. So I have had a bit of a rough start here. Two Players Cup for. I am not on the pace that I need to be. But, you know, I decided to kind of take a step back. We've preached that a lot as just like hey, if you're you're not quite doing what you need to do, if you find yourself rage starting tournaments, find yourself just not really enjoying yourself playing the tournaments, which I certainly wasn't, take a step back. So, Raley, talk to me a little bit about well, I was going to say talk to me a little bit about your Players Cup for experience, but I don't think you've started yet, right. No, I'm still in zero keys, he used, and to be honest, I've had like a almost like a little bit of tournament anxiety heading into this for some other reasons that you've struggled, and that's I'm struggling to find deck that really hives with me right now. Yeah, and I don't know if it's I'm not a huge fan of the Meta or the decks right now to Starren't screaming at me, or maybe there's just too many decks that are in contention right now that it's giving me like a little bit of analysis process. But yeah, yeah, it'd say it's been a little tough for me and I was just really like feeling a little fatigued. Now I also kind of just like preemptively took a step back, as opposed to just kind of like suffering through and feeling like it was a grind, because at the end of day, I wanted it to be like a fun, enjoyable experience. So I'm planning to start over the next few days here, probably over the weekend. Still not settled on exactly what I want to play, though, which is aim. Yeah, yeah, I think. I think for me, trying to get out of that Rut. You know, if you ask me, like what what would you try to do? I've started my keys. I'm not doing as well as I thought. You know, my only suggestion, the only advice that I can give myself is to just, you know, play the numbers. I think I hit a pretty bad streak of just bad variance, you know, and I think to do to do particularly well, you know, you have to have some some luck on your side, right. We say this for any tournament, like any tournament that you win or do well at, like you're going to have around or two or three or four like that. You just get a little bit lucky. So you know, spread that out over you know, fifty tournaments, Fifty mini tournaments. You have the same idea, right. So I think I've just been hitting on that kind of lower end of the variance, which has been a shame. You know, certainly want to you want to go above that, but you know, just continue to play the numbers. You know you'rer it's a numbers game really. So if you're in a rough patch, but you do you still believe in the deck. You know, you've done your testing with that deck. If you like, okay, this is a good list, or maybe even if you've you know, rip the deck, like you know, maybe if you've net deck the deck and you feel really confident in it, you know you're not misplaying right, because that's another big thing, like are you playing the deck correctly? And that that's a that's another thing. If you assume that you're playing the deck correctly, like just go with the numbers. Stick with it would be my best advice. That's, you know, kind of what I'm trying to tell myself right now is I'm in a Rut. But you take you stretch that out out over fifty tournaments and like I should start seeing some cess if you just again run the run the numbers on it. So it's tough, though. It's tough. There's definitely anxiety that comes with doing poorly, and then you're trying to think about you know, you get even more in your own head when you do poorly or like should I change deck? Should I mess around with things? Should I play different texts? And that can be really scary for me because I expect some Meta when maybe it was just, you know, there's such a craft shoot with the players. Cup really just you have no way to really tell what you're going to see. I've seen so many crazy, random things that I would never really expect to see...

...in a an actual tournament. Yeah, it's it's a wild west out there. Do you know? Keeping with that advice, I would also say, you know, all of these bigg's tournament one at a time. Take each game one at a time. Try Not to let your past fifteen keys overly influence your next thirty five. Like take the lessons you learn from them. But even if you get zero points in those first fifteen keys, you could theoretically win every tournament there after and you one of the top rated people in the world. So, you know, don't try. Don't ever count yourself out, unless it's like truly gotten locked out at that. But always just keep pressing forward. Take a game one at a time and play hard out in each one of those. I know it's just sounds a little cliche, but you know, if you believe in the deck again, if you're if you've tested it and it seems like it's working out for you, are you know, in testing and then you get to the tournaments and it's not working out, you know, just make sure your play is under control right, make sure you're checking your prize as you're doing everything in the game that you know you can do to make it just make sure that you got that right. Make sure you're not misplaying yourself out of games or anything like that, right and then you know just yeah, play it, play the numbers. You know, play the numbers. If you know you're doing those things, numbers dictate that you're probably going to have success. You know, assume you're playing a reasonable archetype, reasonable, you know, Tier One archetype. I think you're going to do pretty well. So don't get too discourage if you're like me trying to tell myself this. So I'm going through it. You guys are going through it too. You know, share some love with me on twitter or something like that, because I could use it. But but yeah, that's that's what I would say. That's just, you know, kind of kind of the name of the game. You know, you take a I tell this to my coaching clients too, is like you take a long form approach to the game and you're going to be more successful. I think I personally they are, or it's not going to you're not going to burn out as fast. I should say. You're not going to be necessarily more or less successful, but you're not going to burn out as fast. So if you're taking everything, you know, one tournament at a time, like I need to win this or I need to make you know top to fifty six of Players Cup, like, if you're taking it really like literally like that, you're going to, you know, be disappointed more often than not because we're a game of variants, you know, where a game of of luck in a lot of cases, or a lot of things you can do to mitigate that, but at the end of the day there's going to be things that you can't control. And so if you put all your eggs in one bask and you say to yourself, I need to do this, I need to do this, I need to win this tournament, I need to you know it's it's going to let you down. So take that long form approach. Make sure you have fundamentals under control. Try Not to practice those in the Players Cup if you can avoid it, and let the numbers kind of kind of work themselves out. I will say, though, in flight opposition like you are going to have on Lucky Games, but make sure that you don't attribute anything that goes poorly exclusively to luck, like if you just had the worst possible opening hand evering it doc that's one thing, but make sure you're thinking like critically about the actions that you took along the way that maybe contributed to the end of the Gamelock one way or the other. Yeah, sure, sure, absolutely. And there's there's even things that you can learn about optimal play in in donks, you know, and that sounds really stupid to say, but like you're there anyway, like you might as well, you know, try to be as optimal as you can. So there was one tournament that I played, just to give an example, I think I don't know, I think it was with the turn. I'm trying to give what happened, but I don't remember exactly, but I think it was. I was playing with the turn. It is it was in the early game and I benched another Pokemon to prevent me from getting like knocked out and then losing the game by bench out. But what I didn't really account for was that it would take my opponent just a lot of resources to get that knockout and it was like extremely unlikely. So then on the top deck, you know, I didn't have a draw supporter, I didn't have a quick ball or anything. On the top deck. I top deck a communication and it just you know, I should have just not bench that extra pokemon. And then I would have had a calm out to get a crow bat to maybe get some things moving. So I don't think I win that, even if I don't, you know, bench that because he was just setting up a bunch of stuff on his bench and, you know, getting a very solid board position. But I, you know, definitely learned from that, from that experience being like well, you know, I maybe had a better chance if I just be a little bit more patient. So yeah, you can, you can learn, even in the worst circumstances, to absolutely absolutely so. Looking at the player's Cup for all, would you say are at your top three picks right now? JW. Yeah, if I'm playing...

Players Cup, you know, if I'm, you know, finishing my tournaments, I'm either going to turn it is or I'm going to peak rum. You said give three, but those are really going to be my only two. I would also consider roping in rapid strikers your food, depending out how I'm feeling. But it does feel like Luke metal is a fairly big presence. That's one of the more popular DEX that I've seen. But I've tried Luke metal myself and I don't I don't like it because I seem to hit. When I play Luke Metal, I seem to run into the eternity this players that are playing like two or more phoebe and then that just ruins the whole you know, it's a whole vibe, result, vibe. Yah, the vibes are the vibes are definitely lacking at that point. So I'm not a big fan of looking up metal because you're losing a really good matchup in that in that eternity is right now they're playing Phoebe, you know, maybe to phoebe, in some cases, maybe too phoebe in a PALPAD, one, phoebe, palpad sable eye, you know, some combination of those cards, and that just makes it a lot harder for you to win because if they can knock out one, you know, one of your Zombi sent has just basically for free with their attornities, they're more than likely going to be able to make it past the second one somehow, some way. So it's you're losing that really good matchup and then the rest of the field isn't. I don't I don't find the rest of the fee you'll particularly favorable. favorable. That's what I've had a lot of issues in my players cup around of just not being able to draw enough cards and my opponents just getting set up. I'm forced to attack a little bit earlier than I want to and I haven't drawn enough through my deck to be able to set up my board position. So then in the light game I'll get marnied and I'll have no resources in hand because they're all kind of those early game resources that I wasn't able to use up and I wasn't able to interrupt sword my energy onto my Zoshans and things. So I've played some Luke metal. I've had I mean it's been the most success that I've had, but it's never felt good playing it and I always am seeing kind of the the the rougher sides of the format. You know, I'm losing to the eternity as, I'm losing to the fired X, and it doesn't even feel good against, you know, things like Pik Rom. So some people really love it. I know, Riley, you have counterpoints to probably pretty much everything I just said. No, I mean I think you bring up some valid points and I think you know it's easy to say as well, like sorry, my medals kind of been running the scene a lot of the online tournaments. How does that translate to the Players Cup? I kind of want to Harken back to what I said the other week about how rapid strike was a phenomenal t voice for, you know, the Players Cup, the finals whereas one. But it isn't necessarily the best choice for individual events. I mean we're seeing rappid strike is kind of petered out of the format for the moment. I kind of see this as being a very similar situation where in these controlled settings where you know a lot of what people are going to be playing, going in the car on my metal is a pretty solid choice, especially when decks like, you know, the rapid strike especially, but you know all sorts of decks that just an auto loose hold to the Carma metal. That's when you want to take that to those tournaments and you usually have a better estimate of that in these like online seat tournaments and whereas the Players Cup, I feel like people, people went out those fire decks like it's nothing at Players Cup events and you know, like you said, decks like the peak Ram are are challenging and you can find yourself in sticky situations and all sorts of matchups that ended up like prepared for you. So I'm not a huge fan of players cut. The car on my metal. I might feel differently taking it to an individual like online tournament, but I think the players cut Meta is just so unknown going in and in my experience, like fire is very heavily played in Players Cup that I would feel little hesitant to play it. My top three is kind of echoes yours, although I'm not a huge attorney to stand because they don't really like to play it. I definitely think Peaka Ram is a solid choice. I kind of want to have rapid strike in there. I think it has decent matchups outside of like Lucaro memtal, yeah, and some of these like we are a specific mew two decks that are built to beat rapid strike. So I think that's like a definitely a viable choice for Players Cup, whereas it might struggle. I kind of like the counterpoints of Carme. I don't my struggle in an online event, but player's Cup it might be a better choice. And then my third option would be one of those like mewtwo variants, be it a like a more of a tempos art welder deck that has a mewtwo in it, or or more of like a mewt rass deck with real boom, or even like the psychic me too. I think all of those are pretty decent texts and they're all very fun to play,...

...which I think is a huge merit to them. Though. I've been I've been finding the format for I mean, I don't know, people are, you know, always hating on things, but I've been finding this format to be really think it's good, really deep. I think it's for it's good. That's not. That's not, honestly. And I just think the muted decks are really fun, because me two is really fun card. So somewhere in that like tempos are to to like grass re lit, the psychic range. I think those are like all really fun, viable third choices for me. But peak mom is obviously like I'm a huge stand so that's that's up there is like my number one choice right now. Yeah, yeah, it's so good on the tag team podcast. I know, I know, it's crazy. Yeah, and you talk about, you know, rapid strike kind of petering off. I don't think it's necessarily. You know, it's still one of those very heavily played decks. But I think what you mean by petering off is that it's not that kind of dominant force. Right, it's not that that. Well, I mean, you know, if you look at just like outright tournament results, been struggling recently, but I think that's you know, when you look at the men of these tournaments, you're looking at lots of Lucarom medals, you're looking at lots of riddle of boom, you two decks. You're looking at psychic me too, and it's like, you know, rapid strikes now place and that event. So, you know, I think it just varies from tournament to tournament. Like if you're looking at just line ups of fire acts and peek around, than rapid strike is like for sure still awesome. Yeah, absolutely, very cool. No, you know, I think there's lots of good decks. We I feel like we say this about every player's cup, but this is a very open meadow. There's plenty of things that you can play. Don't feel the need to lock yourself in based on our footsteps and what we're laying out here. Just make sure you have a good reason for picking the deck. You know, if you can't explain it that maybe it's not the deck to PIP percent agree. Trust the testing that you've done on your own. You know, trust, trust other people's results, I would say it. There's just more data available to us then there's ever been before and, you know, I think it would be very unwise not to, you know, at least look at it. You know see, okay, Hey, going to choose this deck. Here's what it, you know, did in this metagame and you know, here the top five lists and here kind of the text that everybody's playing. And just just find that stuff out. We never had that, you know, when I was starting. So so be grateful and use that stuff as a tool to help you, help you perform better. So Great. Well, we do highly questions in the chat. Yeah, I was just going to say we got to get to some some questions. Start from the top here with CBGEL asking what we think about guard of Our v Max Right now. Obviously metal still a factor, but there's a lot of psychic week matchups in play. I would say the metal is outweighing the psychic week matchups right now. I think you'll find yourself struggling more against the metal decks and you'll find yourself thriving against the earshie food. Right, right, that's that's a really strong point. And just the the problem with the guard of our vmax is just that it's it takes a ton of energy, right, three energy on a stage. You know, on a stage one is just going to be lagging pretty far behind a lot of these other decks. So I just be a little bit nervous about that as well, getting the energy attached. Yeah, I'm not necessarily a question, but de lock brings up I only play three boss right now and it turned this and things that distancy of having more pokemon available to bench and not having to play supporters and being able to more flexibly play draw supporters is a is a merit to Umbrihanna that it might end up being a better option. Yeah, that's that. But I think one of the hardest parts of attorney is actually getting out the stage ones. So I'm real isn't like super immediately accessible if especially if you're playing a thin line, and I think you're pretty decent off with like a for research for Marny count like I don't think you need any more dress orders than that. And Yeah, I mean there's still play for boss along that right. Right, I mean there is obviously that argument right where you could be like, well, I can, I can basically play two supporters in the same turn. I can go boss via the umbreanability right bring up something on the bench, but I can also play my draw supporter or my disruption supporter and the same turn. And so of course there's going to be that trade off with this kind of card. But, like I said, Riley, I think you are going to prioritize a different stage, one and the turn of this vmax. So normally, at least most games I'm playing, you know I'm going for one at turns Vmax and then with my second calm or my second great ball, I'm going to get out the second one because at first at turn it is probably in danger of being knocked out and if it is, I'm going to lose a bunch bench pokemon. So I'm trying to get at least two a turn it this out to try to make sure that I...

...have, you know, the attack is that I need to kind of finish the game off. So it's just not a high prior pretty. I guess you could argue that you would rather have the the you know, Gust in the lake game, but I almost would argue the opposite, and normally you want the gusts in the early game to try to like slow your opponent down and try to bring up stuff that they don't want to have active right like the the scariest thing in the format right now, I think, is is a turn to two hundred and seventy boss. You know it turn it is like that is such, you know, an unstoppable force. I think that's where you kind of want most of your resources to go to. So, yeah, I understand. You know what I think about it. More I feel like I'd feel a lot better about the card if there is ulder ball, but there isn't. HMM HMM. Yeah, that's very fair. Very Fair too. We also got a question from Manderson. Some of v Max has fit into the dynamax category and others into Giganto Max, and we even have it turned it this as in it earn a Max. Do you think there will be any specific cards that call out those keywords? To be honest, like, I kind of out it, at least in the immediate future. If there is, it'll probably be like almost a joke or give it card as my guess. Yeah, I don't. I don't know that I see anything like that coming out, but it's a cool thought. I wish they would do a little bit more tie and to to the video games. Yeah, I think those are there's in the main questions we got here today. JW. Anything else that you want to call out? Wrap up? Um, what can I say? What can I say? Thank you, guys for being great listeners. Again, I'm always like reminded of how great are our listeners are when we, you know, we miss with this. Our first week, miss last week because Riley was sick and I was out of town. As our first week missed. And what my I mean certainly months right lead that I always miss hers. Yeah, yeah, I always get these messages. You know, it's like hey, you know, where's the where's the podcast? I get, I get multiple messages and St just thank you, guys so much for being so loil for enjoying the show. And Yeah, we do it for you. So thank you so much. So be sure to check out all of our social media's. That's on twitter. Were smiles of Rows Real John Walter and tag team pokemon on twitch DOT TV. You can catch us at munner. If you want to watch the show live, or if you want to check out JW stream you can catch things like the full grip online series and JW is day to day streams at Flex Dandy righteous and if you want to support the show, be sure to check out full group Games and full group codescom thank you so much. Be sure to rate and review. If you enjoyed it or if you didn't, tell us what we can do better and we will catch you next time. These tell you.

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