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Season 3, Episode 38 · 5 months ago

3-38. Eevee's Heroes

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are fanatic for the art in Eevee Heroes. Come listen in for some hot takes, vigorous shakes, and Player's Cup IV shenanigans.

O, what is up guys welcome back to tagteam, the Pook man trading card games, PREMIER PODCAST ING duo. My name isRaleigh Hobert joined, as always by my phenomenal friend, Mir J W cree wall.You have you have a hang in all right. It's going pretty! Well rily thanks forasking. How are you I? I asked how it was hanging, not how it's going. It is hanging very what what adjectives can I use to disOngrie I on a hanging? Well, it's hanging!Well, it's hanging. Ten is doing a good job hanging. You said it not me anything exciting going on in the inthe world of Mer, crewall yeah. Well, we got the closing on the House and aweek from tomorrow from Tomaran, that's I'll have keys andand June. Third, there you go yea so pretty exciting. So it's just kind of you know, figuring out some things wegot to do some mass talk to you before the cast us doing like little thingsaround the house and you know getting all the furniture and things like that,and then we had to do like insurance and we have to take care of just youknow little things but yeah, it's cool, it's been fun and and what is theaddress of this house, so I can make sure I stop by yeah sure eighty six yeah so it'll it'll be free to hang mid it June early July very exciting. Ilike I, I kind of it. That's right, yeah it'd be pretty cool, that's really really cool ahone gettinghouses! Well, it's about that time. That timewe're getting old, I mean Ohio is probably the only place you can get ass and even then not for as reasonableover prices. You fer that's right! So...

...yeah, IT'S PRETTY CRAZY! I S, butanything new with you. Riley things would have gone pretty well.Obviously, as at my family is last week I was really fun. I got to see someobviously my family. I got to see some friends who were local to the area andit was. It was good. It was refreshing, I think, almost being separated fromall of my my closer friends who don't live Madison for so long. I didn'trealize how much I really missed it until I was like talking with my friendfrom from Cincinnati and we were just sitting having like such a nice chat,and I just went on on and on, and you know you just miss those kind ofmoments yeah it was. It was good and this week has been ratheruneventful so far, but now there's a lot of things like rewingright now with work gudging, a virtual trip for one of mymy clients right now, where basically spend all day and is all with them a kind of exhausting yea, no kiddingbut productive. No, it's been good cool, good stuff, yeah and you knowtravel starting to open back up for work as well. So yeah, I'm just some ofmy customers. Clients ever hear the next month be exciting. Okay, coolwhere's, the farthest that you're going on the immediate or is Richmond No, and is that the trip that you're mostexcited about, or I have I mean I have a couple ofdifferent clients. I think the Virginia one I'd be mostexcited to meet people, I'm working with persons, okay, but it's probablynot the one that needs me there at the most Gotcha. I have another product. Thiskind of struggling got Tu cool yeah. You know, I'm just excited for usto come. You know, I'm excited to start...

...to return to normal a little bit people. I hear that I hear that it'syeah, it's really cool. You know we're doing a little get together overMemorial Day weekend here in in Ohio, and so I'm excited to see people that Ihaven't seen in over a year and a half now, which is just crazy. It is reallycrazy to like herbalize it like you know like it's so bizarre it is. It truly is so well we got a lot to talk about today, Riley,as always as aw. Why don't we? Why don't? We start it off with some of thenewer cards that are being revealed, there's some bangers out there or bothin terms of the strength of the card and the art the card yeah. Absolutelythough the evy hero set is big one on the radar right now in Japan. You knowslowly getting revealed over the last few weeks. Here talked about Aa Lot onthe cast. Not Too too many brand new cards have been revealed in the lastweek. There is one that is catching a lot of people's eyes, and that is goingto be. The big shake. Is that what it's and lead to yeah? Well yeah, somethinglike that yeah exactly some is a shaker bottle, is the bigger shake. You knowyour Shin Yeah, it's a workout Shaker bottle and it has a crazy effect whereyou play it to evolve a pokmanty, it's the first turn that poke on is in playand then your turn instantly ends now, if you're, if you're thinking aboutthis from just like a pure balance and point like it, might not immediatelyjump out at you until you think about some of the cars that can be cared with.You know, thinking of the terriers of the world, the glacial and the axes ofthe world and also banded, know we're looking once again at things likeTrevenen, potentially having a way to get that turn. One item lock beforeyour pony gets to play a you. What are...

...your thoughts? You know, there's been alot of discussion online over the last couple days about mater shake. Do youthink this car is going to be too powerful and expanded? I personally doyes going from you with my history from the kind ofTrevine Wally era, which was already very oppressive on our candy. You know same kind of idearight, your you're evolving, your pokmanty S, a core tena of the game,but this is amusable. You know you can use it onthat. First Turn: You can use a windows poke on get immediately laid down tothe field, so you're going to have some broken combos.You know in the standard format. Even you know, I'm thinking about wheezingthinking about glacial and we expanded thinking about Trevine. It just doesn'tseem like it would. It would benefit the format to have it available. I'm inclined to agree, there's,definitely a lot of blot of broken potential in the cardand it's one of those cards. That's not super ball future proved either like it. I always hate the cars that limit thescope of what they're able to make in...

...the future like it makes it much harderto justify a powerful ability on a stage one that interact with youropponent. If you can get it out before, and they can play all right, I'm kindof a following question I have specifically regarding expanded. Is Youknow, a lot of people are talking about that in the context of revenant. Do wethink that trement is still like a viable force with vigor shake addedreason? I asked that is that I feel like expanded. Decks, have slowlyadapted to handle item lock better and the decks are much tanker to this, read of silent fear seems less than it may have been in thepast. I mean that's overlooking it well, that's fair enough, but, like you couldalso play Glacialis in expanded to like, like the the vigor shake opens up thepossibility of playing other. You know other things essentially right, you're,not just O K, O Trevinas, not just the only kindof amusable Combo, but you can. You know you can port over anything thatyou want to like yeah, taking taking all abilities away on that first fewturns, like seems really good, because a lot of expanded form at cards are alot of expanded format. Decks are you know? Their main form of draw, I wouldargue, is that is the ability that is so. But then you also have you know ahunch cardatas and in one thing right: yeah, that's fair! That's fair! Withlike Sinala, you me Huh, H, well, Hochgasse oppressive, I would say Idon't think anyone really enjoys having hank hatch grow available. I don'tdisagree, but I think I'd also say that we Ancora Combo true true and that's fair.I mean the expanded format. That is there's a lot of things wrong with theexpanded format. I would say that best places, maybe we'll talk about that,like the episodes yeah. That's that's all another episode for sure. Yes, justinteresting, and I was also curious.

You know this card is- is most key toget it off on the first turn of the game. First, so without access to asupporter, how would you build your deck to reliably use it s this card in particular? Are wetalking in expanded in either for at but focusing on expanded yeah? So ifyou're an expanded, I mean you probably don't play a high count, maybe like oneor two well, probably about two- maybe two two to three. I just anyway, not afull count. Right because they're going to be weaker the longer the game goeson, but then you probably play some kind of support for finding that card,be it trainers, mail or be it order pad. You know something like that.That's going to give you that additional dig so that you can findthose cards somewhat reliably find that vigor shake somewhat reliably butyou're, not dedicating. You know four copies of your deck to that card. Now,if that evolution is your main strategy, you know- and you have some other kindof combination there- that would make that first, certainevolution like absolutely necessary, then sure yeah, you know, do the fourI'm not thinking of anything right off the bat. I would again initially startmy testing with the card as being kind of a two of maybe a three of em and thensupplement that with cards. That would be better in later stages of the game.R Ver yeah, it's interesting to think about.I definitely agree like order pad is probably the way I actually get it outof your deck pulling to junction with trainers, mail. I just wonder like how reliably? Maybesome one can map that out like a Yonge, and I think, generally speaking, youknow to bring up your point of saying like well. Do you think that you knowthere are already a lot of oppressive combos? You know, and yet they maybedon't see as much play so our people over reacting, I think, generally, wetend to as a community and maybe just...

...as a trading card game audience likejust generally speaking. You Know Magic Yugo, I don't know, I'm sure everyonehas kind of Oh, my gosh, this new cards going to break everything. It's I feel like it's been a while,since that's happened in pokemoke. Just one card is completely like ruined aformat or come at least in standard. I can't remember the last time. Maybe youcould argue the tag teams, but I guess the release of Zation. Maybe,but even then it's not like it was one deck that just oppressed everything,and I guess you could argue that in the in the expanded form at that kind ofstall, is ruining that format. But again, that's a whole topic for anotherday and saw wouldn't benefit either right exactly well. It's just interesting food forthought. You know, I think we can definitely we can table the expandedconversation, because I think there's a lot to talk about there about how thatforma has evolved and house looking recently, but I do want to talk aboutjust some of the gorgeous gorgeous arts that we have a Gros that I meanaesthetically. This is got to be one of the best sets I've ever seen. This isyou know the cards from the R their basics to their full arts, to theirspecial arts are all gorgeous yeah. I completely agree they really went out.I mean I want to say on a limb, because some of these arts are just kind of things that I haven't really seen froma pokomoke. You know you have like Sylvian passingout cakes. You have flarion coasing up next to the firelike they're, all just they have such a personality to them and such a such alife and vitality. It's really interesting, yeah, there's definitelylike stuff going on and the lives of these parents, which is really a a hugestory in every single. You know secret rare here, so I thought it would be fun,Ay a look at all these vs and V maxes...

...for the movies and pick out what yourfavorite. You know, your Basic v Special Art is and what your Favorite vMax special art is because they all have a special art. I don't know if you have any in mind, Ican start with kind of my personal takes in terms of the Basic vs. I love thesill and passing out the cakes. The Art is really clean. It is just still so soso cute like. I would happily accept a little little cup cake from that Sylviaon. But the did you know that all of the all of the Basic v secret, rares they're, all tiedinto you, know beauty and the beast. Did youknow that that the theming is beauty and the beast right? You got the woods.I leolin up next to the fire with the flary, and you got the books for Wotguilty into that. Okay, maybe jolty on, maybe Umbrian doesn't fit it to that.You know those to. I said you see like a couple of things that may be fit inwith that theme and for The v Max, and I also one thingI want to call out about the V maxes as I love how they play into the Max isactually being huge and yes in the secret E. finally like they are in likea physical space that, like as a regular person, you can identify withand they're just gigantic right of those there's a lot of them that Ilike and the spon is all my favorite, but we've already talked about that one. Otherwise I really love the embryon,mostly because an we're talking about this right report, the cast. I lovelike recurring themes in the car, Dar and embryons back on his classic tower,except now it is absolutely massive, like dwarfing the tower with its size.I just think that's! That's such a cool...

...like reference to the pre embryon artsyeah, it's really cool to see like every unrun card kind of time. Back tothat yeah, it's got a great little. You know art work going on in terms of just thestyle, the feel of a really dark, really kind of Moody and Yeah Neat near like how the yellow ofthe lights shining through the building like matches embryon, it's definitelyvery intentionally involved in and I love it yeah yeah, it's very cool. So for me I have a couple of differentfavorite types. I'd say my favorite v Secare is probably the glacial sittingon a little bench contemplating life I don't knowcontemplating their next adventure. I just got a MOS and over there lookslike a you know: you got you're waiting for momet school. You know just kind ofnot a care in the world and then I adore. I think this is going to be probablymost people's least favorite. But to me this reminds me of one of my favoriteGames scythe, but I love the leafy on be I just like to leave ye on quite abit. Actually really it's just something about. It's really fun. Idon't know yeah it's like doing manual labor like yeah. Let's, let's get thoseOkami working, I spend all all this time and money andenergy training them up. Let's put him to work. It just has like a very someone. tweetabout this is all as a very mid West Vive. You know like I could likereminds me of driving through Ohio Super Midwest five. It is, it is great. That's I I like that. TAKE THAT'S AWESOME! Any of the chaines beenbad at you any of the trainers from the set, notparticularly other than you know, of course, the shake I do want to call out.I love the...

...the Turf Ield City Gym deal Ar old art, really really cool.Looking I'm going to see them like continue doing idiom, yeah, absolutely, and that's a that'ssomething that we haven't seen. You know they skipped a sad. At least you know doing thosethose stadiums in that gold so looks really clean. Really, nice can't waitto get my, I probably won't. I say like I was about to say I can't ways get myhands on that, but that's probably above my pay grade. You know there'sjust so many nice cards. You know you have the kind of pick and choose, I'mI'm going to try and get my hands talked about or above our pay grade.Yeah. Yes, I mean yeah. True true, I mean it'samazing right because the Evelin's normally are pretty expensive. Just onthe whole like pretty much, every evolution card is expensive and thenyou add into the fact that they're all you know just extraordinary ly, welldone and that's going to make the price skyrocket for sure absolutely agree any of their closingthoughts on ev heroes. Now it looks like a really cool set.I'm excited to see this. The said just completely, based around the evolutionsI struggling to remember another set thathas this kind of ev theme, where they're all pretty much representedhere, so no be excited to see how this one, how this one plays at a couple other like for announcements closer to home- Iguess you could say so. There is a new trainers, tool kitcoming out which youll have probat in it. So if you are lacking on crowbaitsa great way to be fuel, your collection was like we did with the Dennis andthere is a Marni panium trainer collection where you can get those fullarts of Marni. Those alternate hearts a real recently in Jagan in all newpackage, it's kind of like a little Bo Carton. You that's not least chilling rain isjust on the horizon here. We're looking...

...at the next few weeks for Peleas andand actual set drops. So if you haven't checked it out, make sure that go onyour favorite website, Ogrin too code get all those regarders in great plug. So let's don't right into our part ofthe day w what you got. Yes, okay! Well, this is a card that I think I'm goingto try this week to give you the poked C centry and see ifyou can guess the poke on Oh yeah, I'm down o. This is a okement. This was kind of one of myfirst decks that I made when I got back into the game in high school right. Iwas playing with friends at all these old cards and I threw this stecktogether with this kind of being the maybe not the center piece, butcertainly a very integral part of the deck sure, and so I'll give you thepoked entry and see if you can't figure it out. So while it loves flora, honey, it won't gather any itself. Instead, itplots to steal some from comby now I know your first inclination thereis to say like well it's it's not. You know Comby, so it has to be best. Iquin, but that's that's not it! It's not in that first thought was not vastfamily. Really, okay, all right! Well, what are you got? I want to Er Cross. Oh, I feel like that's a great guess, but that is not correct. What isit do really? Don't want one more one,more guess...

...right at your sooner no okay, this one it's hard! It's hard.I have to be fair, it's really hard, so this one is mathem. Oh, that makessense. That makes sense. Yeah. I was like trying to think of aAndiron in peril in the Games. You could put honey on trees and, likecertain pokemoke into it, so that's kind of like kind of go through whatthis pop one might be. My head is Mathan, one of those I don't knowoff the top of my head, but it makes sense that it would be Epistothesan seeI okay, fair enough. I have never played dam in a per and you can play the remake when it's,I think so. Yeah that'd be really fun, so this Mathem from the R Argia set isit's just. It works with the whole, so the whole idea the deck was to get outthe motim. It evolves from Burme, Birmi evolves into warmed, am or madame hadlike. If I remember it some kind of evolutionability where it could evolve on the first turn and any turn that you playedthe Berme, so he could just like spam or Madams, and they all had you knowdifferent typing. Of course you could hit your opponent for weakness on. Youknow whatever would be the optimal type right, and that was that was a wholedeck. So this this mothon was cool because you could search your deck forthese burn res and Warmans with the first attack was for no cost cloakparty, and then you could attach energy to them. So you could get the warm Adams built up here over thecourse of the game with the energy assist is kind of similar to kind of similar to sentinus attack incurrent standard. So I don't know just a really cool card, one that I really enjoy. That is cool. I, like I vaguely knowthe Warm Dam cars that you're talking...

...about. I definitely know the burme yeah.I don't. I don't think I've seen all three in the warm Adam. That's it it'sa fun deck yeah Super Fun. Super Fun. Had a really good time with it, I love that I, like the introduction ofthe with the Pokadeti, that's something I think we'll have to keep that ongoing well see. Now, I'm not going to be able I'm just so bad at it. I'mprobably going to embarrass myself, that's okay! I think the lissner wouldenjoy M W embarrassment, Wel Fair enough, so let's jump into a competitive half of the cash. Thentalk about players cut for so let's do a case period is now over Wi'm, assuming that you made it throughwith your you know what I don't think I did. How did how didyou Endi? I ended with ninety two. You know what the cut off was. It's likeninety, four or five? No, ninety three! Is there really anything? Well May atleast the last that I checked. Ninety three tree was the cut off. Now we don't know for some of the otherplayers cups. There were some disqualification S. things like that.You Know Juniors and seniors may be getting points or keys where they youknow just they can't play really due to more so legal reasons than anything,not that they're not good enough, not that Fokeen is actively trying toexclude, but just because you know there are some legality things whenyou're giving away money and holding you know, competitions and yeah, justit gets kind of hairy when you include the younger people, so we'll see whathappens, but I mean I said this to everyone you know, and especially in Players Cupthree I was like super locked in Players Cup for I felt like I waspretty locked in for for most of the...

...keys. I think I played a little worsein Players Cup for than in players. Cop Three, but you know forty point difference youknow, is pretty pretty incredible and I think speaks a lot to kind of what Ifelt the format was like, but to a lot of people likeyou got to take every game, you know and play it like as well as you canright, because because I, if I end up missing out I'll, havemissed out by one point right, that's literally one game was the differencehere between making it in and making out. Am I crushed? No, I mean, am Iupset yeah, I mean you know, I'd love to play, but I didn't make it presumably at thispoint in time and yeah. I just have to live with that, as I do cut top as what's that it was the rage, cups andgetting top AIDS right well yeah, but I don't think I like so like. I don'tthink I played that badly in those ragin bobs on those. What's thatsomeone get the clifs yeah, I know for real for real yeah. I definitely didkind of like throw like one of my last few keys for sure. But what do I crack it up to? I shock it upto just kind of peeker on being a very,not good deck in the keys that I played in it. You know in the in the meadow that Isaw it. You know that in the keys that I played,I think I went with Pekerangi take you know, keep in mind, you know you saylike well, you probably didn't play Peker ammer correctly. PEKEA was theonly deck that I played for Players Cup three, and I was you know. Thirteenright so, like you know, take take that argument. Yourlisten to this right now and you're like he just doesn't know how to playPigeron that out your mouth right right now, but I ended up. You know playingPekerangi. I think I had to go back and run the numbers, but I think I ended up.You know with like a one point, two...

...five point per tournament: total with Pecaraor some like just something really stupidly low, and I was just finding myself gettingeaten up by the eternities and the Ersh food decks and like the single strikers,food decks, it's just not good any time I cud a Peker. Things were going south quickly, justpurely based on the match. Up, because tiger on is one of those decks that youhave the crushing hammer you have the reset stamp. So in like eighty fivepercent of the match, ups you're going to have some chance to come back right.You get ahead, sign a crushing camera at the right time. You Reset Stave yourpointed down the low you get a tag bolt or or an low and ride shoe right, huge.You know attack and you can make your way back, but but I just wasn't finding that to bethe case and that's yeah. I really kind of led me astripe yeah, so I feel you there. The meadowwas definitely rough for pike and I played as well. I actually ended, I'mnot finishing mine, because I in someone in there our group that madelike an offhand comment about the dates of the Players Cup. So I end up lookingat it was gonna, be traveling that weekendyeah, so I kind of like lost mode munition. I still kind of wanted to doit just to play the game, but then, of course, the thing that pushed me over the edge,as I had two tournaments row, were all three rounds or at and I'm like for the love of the game.I can't even do this. It's pretty funny yeah, but I mean I know you've been.You are very swamped over the last month I have been, and it's fine, Iplayed in the last two players cups, I don't mind sitting one out, but the the metal was very hostile for Pegramin the keys that I did play outside outside of the two like AP tournaments,that I played in Yep. There's a lot of...

...return to this a lot of er she fu asingle and rapid strike that I ran into. I just lie a lot of ugly stuff going onand it wasn't especially satisfying to keepwith the Picaron into those yeah yeah. I were playing those. I was playing amirror that it was just like it was kind ofugly yeah. I was averaging decently with my keys, but and I entre on track to make it with the I played, but you know it just would have taken acouple tournaments. He face a fighting DECK IN THOSE FIRST COUPLE: pounds forthing right, absolutely o yeah. I definitelywas a little bit of hostile of a Meta. I don't think I would have not playedpegro. I was like, as I was playing. I was trying to think like once. I hitthe third Attorno, something like should I pitch to like something else,and I just think of anything better yeah, although I will say the metis.Definitely it's definitely shifting a lot like over the over the weeks. Ifeel like every week, then that I feels a little different and it goes in theseweird cycles. So you know yeah. Now people are really invigorated withTitine, with the UPLAN rapid ash is, is definitely getting gaining steam and have like response to that. We seepeople playing your altaria decks pretty much withKanga like ye is going on with the man. It's very it's very unusual right now Iwould say to yeah and to kind of go off that point it's like. If I were to play,you know, if I would have played, I think, my keys at the beginning of thePlayers Cup. I think I have a very different outcome than kind ofspreading it out over the course of the tournament yeah. Just because, likeyou're saying people are getting a little bit more experimental, we'resaying you know, altaria builds, we are seeing just more kind of you know. I wasseeing more single strike towards the end than you know towards the beginning,like they're, just people were being...

...being less Meta and a little more rogue,and I think that hurts you know. Well, it's just it's hard to play into that.I saw more stall in the s like an half, then I did in the first half you know.Just these kinds of things were like you're, absolutely right. The meadowwas shifting pretty significantly throughout the course of the tournament. I would agree- and I mean you see- thatin the wrestler turn went that are on right now, as well as just all sorts ofcraziness in the Meta which is cool. It's exciting, to see that, like themetal is flexible enough, that it's not solved in the first two weeks ofplaying it yeah. You do long to see that no I mean I'm excited for. What's goingon right now excited to see what the continue edition and new cars andchilling rain continues to do the Meta all. That is sad, though our individualperformances side, you know the Players Cup, I guess the the qualification periodproper is starting in a couple of weeks here. W Do you have anything in particularthat you would have on your radar heading into that event, given theshift that we in in the last weeks yeah, I would be a pretty big fan of playingsingle strike or case's playing rapid striker SPO right now. I think thatdeck has a lot of options available to it. I think it can be pretty muchanything aside from you know something like Luke Metal, Ithink, would be a particularly difficult match up, and I also don't at AP is just kind of you know that thatdark cloud, but I think it's well positioned. Now more than almost.

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