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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 38 · 7 months ago

3-38. Eevee's Heroes

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are fanatic for the art in Eevee Heroes. Come listen in for some hot takes, vigorous shakes, and Player's Cup IV shenanigans.

Yo, what's up, guys?Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo.My name is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my phenomenal friend Mr JWcurrywall. ITW How's the hanging right? It's going pretty well, Riley,thanks for asking. How are you? I asked how I was hanging,not how it's going. Ah, it is hanging very what what adjectives canI use to describe you can hear it's alway. Still say hanging well.It's hanging well, it's hanging ten. It's doing a good job. HangingI you said it, not me. Anything exciting going on in the inthe world, Mr Cree Wall? Yeah, well, we got the closing onthe House and a week from tomorrow, you from tomorrow, Oh man,I have keys in, and June third. There you go now.So pretty exciting. So it's just kind of, you know, figuring outsome things. We got to do some most talking to you before the cast, just doing like little things around the house and, you know, gettingall the furniture and things like that, and then we had to do likeinsurance and we had to take care of just you know, little things.But yeah, it's cool. It's been fun. And and what are theaddress of this house so I can make sure to stop by? Yeah,sure, eighty six it. Yeah, so it'll it'll be free to hangmade it June, early July. Very exciting. I'll July kind of it. That's right. Yeah'd be pretty cool. That's really, really cool. Thatone's getting house is well, it's about that time, that time we'regetting old. I mean, I'll Hio is probably the only place you canget house, and even then not for as reasonable or prices you'd for.That's right. So, yeah, it's...

...pretty crazy. But anything new withyou, Riley? Yeah, things have been gone pretty well, obviously,as at my family's last week, I was really fun. I got tosee some obviously my family got to see some friends who were local to thearea, and it was it was good. It's refreshing, I think, almostbeing separated from all of my closer friends who don't live in Madison forso long, I didn't realize how much I really missed it till I waslike talking with my friend from from Cincinnati and we're to sit having like sucha nice chat and it just went on and on and on. And youknow you you just miss those kind of moments. Yeah, it was.It was good, and this week has been rather uneventful so far. Butthere's a lot of things like brewing right now with work. gotching a virtualtrip for one of my clients right now where we basically spend all day and, as you all with them, kind of exhausting. Yeah, no,kidding, but productive. So it's been good, cool, good stuff.Yeah, and you know, travel starting open back up for work as well. So, yeah, I'm just some of my customers, clients over thenext month be exciting. Okay, cool. Where's the farthest that you're going?Um, on the immediate radar is Richmond. So it is that thetrip that you're most excited about? or Um, I have, I meanI have a couple of different clients. I think the Virginia one I'd bemost excited to meet people. I'm working with persons. Okay, but it'sprobably not the one that needs me. They're the most Gotcha. I haveanother product that's kind of struggling. Gotcha. Cool. Yeah, you know,I'm just excited for us to come.

You know, I'm excited to startto return to normal a little bit. People I hear that. I hearthat. It's yeah, it's really cool. You know, we're doinga little get together over Memorial Day we can here in Ohio, and soI'm excited to see people that I haven't seen in over a year and ahalf now, which is just crazy. It is really crazy to like verbalizeit like I you know, like it's so bizarre. It is. Ittruly is so. Well, we got a lot to talk about today,Riley, as always. As always, why don't we? Why don't westarted off with some of the newer cards that are being revealed? There's somebangers out there, for both in terms of the strength of the card andthe art the card. Yeah, absolutely, though. The EV heroes set isbig one on the radar right now in Japan, you know, slowlygetting revealed over the last few weeks here. Talked about a lot on the cast. Not Too too many brand new cards I've been revealed in the lastweek. There's one that is catching a lot of people's eyes and that isgoing to be the big shake. Is that what it's translating to? Yeah, well, yeah, something like that. Yeah, exactly. Some it's ashaker bottle. It's bigger shake, you know, bigger shake. Yeah, it's a workout Shaker bottle and it has a crazy effect where you playit to evolve a Pokemon, even if it's the first turn that Pokemon isin play and then your turn instantly ends. Now, if you're if you're thinkingabout this from just like a pure balance standpoint, like it might notimmediately jump out at you until you think about some of the cars that canbe paired with. You know, you're thinking of terriers of the world,the glacier and the nexes of the world, and also band it. Now we'relooking once again at things like trevenant potentially having a way to get thatturn one item lock before your opponent gets to play. Did you? Whatare your thoughts? You know there's been...

...a lot of discussion online over thelast couple days about fager shake. Do you think this car is going tobe too powerful and expanded? I personally do, yes, going from,you know, with my history, from the kind of trevnant wally era,which was already very oppressive, or candy, you know, same kind of idea. Right here. You're evolving your pokemon. That's a courten at thegame, but this is abusable. You know you can use it on thatfirst turn. You can use it when those pokemon get immediately laid down tothe field. So you're going to have some broken COMBOS, you know,in the standard format. Even you know, I'm thinking about wheezing, thinking aboutGlacion we's expanded, thinking about trevnant. It just doesn't seem like it wouldit would benefit the format to have it available. I'm in clients.You agree. There's definitely a lot of a lot of broken potential in thecard and it's one of those cards that's not super well future proved either.Like it. I always hate the cards that limit the scope of what they'reable to make in the future. Like...

...it makes it much harder to justifya powerful ability on a stage one they interact with your opponent if you canget it out before they can play right. I'm kind of a follow up questionI have specifically regarding expanded is you know a lot of people are talkingabout that in the context of revenant. Do we think that Chevnant is stilllike a viable force with bigger shake added? Reason I ask that is that Ifeel like expanded decks have slowly adapted to handle item lock better and thedecks are much tankier. So this run of silent fear seems less than itmay have been in the past. But maybe that's overlooking it. Well,that's fair enough. But like, you could also play glacion and wheezing andexpanded to to like like the the bigger shake opens up the possibility of playingother, you know, other things, essentially, right, you're not justtrevor is not just the only kind of abusable Combo. But you can,you know, you can pour it over anything that you want. So,like, yeah, taking taking all abilities away on that first few turns likeseems really good, because a lot of expanded format cards are are a lotof expanded format decks are, you know, their main form of draw, Iwould argue, is that is the ability and is over. But thenyou also have, you know, haunch care decked as a in one ofit. Right, yeah, that's fair. That's fair with like signel lab me, me, Uh Huh. Yeah, well, haunch grows pretty oppressive,I would say. I don't think anyone really enjoys having haunch crew available. I don't disagree, but I think would also say that we UNCH CareLab Combo. True, true, and that's where I mean the expanded format. That is there's a lot of things wrong with the expanded format. Iwould say that the best place. Maybe we'll talk about that like the episodes. Yeah, that's that's all. Another episode for sure. Yes, Ijust interesting and I was also curious.

You know, this card is ismost key to get it off on the first turn of the game first.So, without access to a supporter, how would you build your deck toreliably use it, use this card in particular? Are we talking to expandit in either format, but focusing on expanded yeah, so if you're anexpanded I mean you probably don't play a high count, maybe like one ortwo. Well, probably about to maybe two, two to three, Idon't just anyway, not a full count right, because they're going to beweaker the longer the game goes on. But then you probably play some kindof support for finding that card, be it trainers mail or be it orderpad, you know, something like that that's going to give you that additionaldig so that you can find those cards somewhat reliably, find that bigger shakesomewhat reliably. But you're not dedicating, you know, for copies of yourdeck to that card. Now, if that evolution is your main strategy,you know, and you have some other kind of combination there that would makethat first an evolution like absolutely necessary, then sure, yeah, you know, do the for I'm not thinking of anything right off the bat. Iwould again initially start my testing with the card as being kind of a twoof, maybe a three of, and then supplement that with cards that wouldbe better in later stages of the game. or or yeah, it's interesting tothink about. I definitely agree. Like order pad is probably the wayactually get it out of your deck, going junction with trainers mail. Ijust wonder like how reliably, and maybe someone can map that out, likeCarlia week it. You're opening up first. Yeah, and I think generally speaking, you know, to bring up your point of saying like, well, do you think that? You know, there are already a lot of oppressiveCombos, you know, and and yet they maybe don't see as muchplay. So our people overreacting? I think generally we tend to as acommunity and maybe just as a trading card...

...game audience, like, just generallyspeaking, you know, magic, you you, I don't know. I'msure everyone has kind of Oh my gosh, this new card's going to break everything. It's I feel like it's been a while since that's happened in Pokemon. We're just one card is completely like ruined a format, or can,at least in standard. I can't remember the last time. Maybe you couldargue the tag teams, but I guess the release of Xastion maybe, buteven then it's not like it was one deck that just oppressed everything. AndI guess you could argue that in the in the expanded format, that kindof stall is ruining that format. But again, that's a whole topic foranother day. Install wouldn't benefit either. Right exactly? Well, it's justinteresting food for thought. You know, I think we can, definitely wecan table the expanded conversation because I think there's a lots to talk about there, about how that format has evolved and how it's looking recently. But Ido want to talk about just some of the gorgeous, gorgeous arts that wehave it your set. I mean esthetically, this is got to be one ofthe best sets I've ever seen. This is, you know, thecards, from their their basics to their full arts to their special arts,are all gorgeous. Yeah, I completely agree. They really went out.I mean, I want to say on a limb, because some of thesearts are just kind of things that I haven't really seen from a POKEMON card. You know, you have like sylvion passing out cakes, you have flarryon cozing up next to the fire, like they're all just they have sucha personality to them and such a such a life and vitality. It's reallyinteresting. Yeah, there's definitely like stuff going on and the lives of thesecards which is really, yeah, a huge story and in every single youknow, secret rare here. So I thought it would be fun take alook at all these V's and v Max...

...has for the V's and pick outwhat your favorite, you know, your Basic v Special Art is and whatyour Favorite v Max Special Art is, because they all have a special art. I don't know if you have any in mind. I can start withkind of my personal takes. Yeah, in terms of the basic vs,I love the silk and passing out the cakes. The Art is really clean. It is just so, so, so, so cute. Like Iwould happily accept a little little cup cake from that sylvion. But the diddid you know that all of the all of the Basic v secret rares they'reall tied into, you know, beauty and the beast. Did you knowthat? That they're the theming is beauty and the beast. Right. Yougot the woods. I don't Ye curling up next to the fire with theflarry on. You got the books, for what. How does yet intothat? okay, maybe Joel Ti on, maybe I'm briand doesn't fit that.You know those. But I said, do you see like a couple thingsthat maybe fit in with that theme and for the Vmax, and Ialso one thing I want to call out about the v Max is as Ilove how they play into the v Max. It's actually being huge and yes,in the secret you finally like they are in like a physical space that, like, as a regular person, you can identify with and they're justgigantic. Right. Of those, there's a lot of them I like,and Espon is on my favorite. We've already talked about that one. Otherwise, I really love the umbreyon mostly because, and we're talking about this right beforethe cast, I love like recurring themes in the card art and Umbrian'sback on his classic tower, except now it is absolutely massive, like dwarfingthe tower with its size. I just think that's that's such a cool likereference to the previous embrey on arts.

Yeah, it's really cool to seelike every umber on card kind of time back to that. Yeah, it'sgot a great little, you know, artwork going on in terms of justthe style, the feel of it. Really Dark, really kind of Moody. And Yeah, neat knee are like how the yellow of the lights shiningthrough the building like match he's umbre on. It's definitely very intentionally and while designed. I love it. Yeah, yeah, it's very cool. Sofor me I have a couple of different favorite tites. I'd say my favoriteV secret are is probably the glacion sitting on a little bench contemplating life,I don't know, contemplating their next adventure. Just got a Mosey in over there. Looks like a you know, you got you're waiting for mom atschool, you know, just kind of not a care in the world.And then I adore I think this is going to be probably most people's leastfavorite, but to me this reminds me of one of my favorite games,scythe. But I love the leafy on VMS, like the leafy on aquart of it. Actually really it's just something about it's really fun. Idon't know. Yeah, it's like doing manual labor, like yeah, let'slet's get those pokemon working. Spend all this time and money and energy trainingthem up, let's put them to work. It just has like a very someonetweet about this is all as a very midwest vive, you know,like I could like reminds me of driving through a high oh, Super Midwestspivee. It is. It is great. That's ill. I like that take. That's awesome. Any of the chainers about at you? Any ofthe trainers from the set? Not Particularly, other than, you know, ofcourse, the shake. I do want to call out. I lovethe Turfield City Gym. Yeah, are...

...old art really really cool looking.I'm glad to see them like continue doing idiom. Yeah, absolutely, andthat's a that's something that we haven't seen. You know, they skipped a setat least, you know, doing those those stadiums in that gold.So looks really clean, really nice. Can't wait to get my I probablywon't buy say like I was about to say. I can't wait to getmy hands on that, but that's probably above my pay grade. You know, there's just so many nice cards. You know you have the kind ofpick and choose. I am going to try and get my hands talked aboutor above our pay grade. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah,true, true. I mean it's amazing, right, because the evilutions normally arepretty expensive just on the whole, like pretty much every evilution card isexpensive, and then you add into the fact that they're all, you know, just extraordinarily well done, and that's going to make the price skyrocket forsure. Absolutely agree any of their closing thoughts on you be heroes. Nowlooks like a really cool set. I'm excited to see this. The saidjust completely based around the evolutions. I I'm struggling to remember another set thathas this kind of EV theme where they're all pretty much represented here. Sobe excited to see how this one, how this one, plays out.Couple other like or announcements, closer to home, I guess you could sayso. There is a new trainers tool kit coming out which will have probatin it. So if you are lacking on crow bats as a great wayto be fuel your collection, just like we did with the Dane's Hi andthere is a Marnie premium trainer collection where you can get those full arts ofMarnie, those alternate arts real recently in Japan. In all new jackage.It's kind of like a little boat card, and that's not least killing. Rainis just on the horizon here and...

...we're looking at the next few weeksfor pre releases and the and the actual set drops. So if you haven'tchecked it out, make sure to go in your favorite website. Will GripGamescom? If we'll grip, could see get all those regarders in. Well, great, plug the let's jump right into our car of the day.It w what do you got from? Okay, well, this is acard that I think I'm going to try this week to give you the Polkax entry and see if you can guess the POKEMON. Oh yeah, I'mdown. So this is a pokemon that this was kind of one of myfirst decks that I made when I got back into the game in high school. Right I was playing with friends and all these old cards and I threwthis deck together with this kind of being the not maybe not the centerpiece,but certainly a very integral part of the deck. Sure, and so I'llgive you the POLKA x entry and see if you can't figure it out.So while it loves floral honey, it won't gather any itself. Instead itplots to steal some from Kombe. Now I know your first inclination. There'sto say like well, it's it's not. You know Combe, so it hasto be best Quinn. But that's that's not it. It's not inthat first thought was not Veste Quin family. Really. Okay, all right.Well, what do you got? I want to are across. Oh, I feel like that's a great guess, but that is not correct. Whatis it? Do you really don't want one more? One more guess, right, Eddier, sooner, Whoa?...

No, okay, this one it'shard. It's hard, to be fair, it's really hard. Sothis one is Motham. Oh, that makes sense. All right, thatmakes sense. Yeah, it was like trying to think of in diamond andPearl and the Games, you can put honey on trees and like certain pokemonof the attracted to it. So that's kind of like kind of go throughwhat this pokemon might be my head. Is Motham one of those? Idon't know off the top of my head, but it makes sense that it wouldbe. Scott makes sense. See, I okay, fair enough. Ihave never played them in a pearl. If you can play the remake whenit's I think so. Yeah, it'd be really fun. So thisMotham from the Arky as set is it's just it works with the whole.So the whole idea of the deck was to get out the Motham. Itevolves from Burmi. BURMI evolves into Warma Dam WORMA DAM had like, ifI remember, it's some kind of evolution ability where it could evolve on thefirst turn and any turn that you play the Burmi. So you can justlike spam Orma Dam's and they all had, you know, different typings. Ofcourse you could hit your opponent for weakness on, you know, whateverwould be the optimal type, right, and that was that was a wholedex. So this, this Motham was cool because you could search your deckfor these burns and warm it dams with the first attack. It was forno cost cloak party, and then you could attach energy to him. Soyou could get the warm and dams built up here over the course of thegame with the energy assist as kind of similar to a kind of similar tosince she knows attack in current standard so I don't just really cool card,one that I really enjoyed. That is cool. I like I vaguely knowthe Warm Dam cards that you're talking about.

I definitely know the Burmi. Yeah, I don't. I don't think I've seen all three of the Warmadam. That's a's a fun deck. Yeah, Super Fun, Super Fun. Had a really good time with it. I love that. I like theintroduction of the with the POLKA DEC center. That's something I think we'llhave to keep that on going. Well, see now, I'm not going tobe able. I'm just so bad at it I'm probably going to embarrassmyself. That's okay, I think the listeners would enjoy I'm VW embarrassment.Well, fair enough. So let's jump into a competitive half of the calfthen talk about Players Cup for so let's start. acage period is now over. Aw'm assuming that you made it through with your recent point total and newday. You know what, I don't think I did. How did howdi You end? I ended with ninety two. You know what the cutoffwas? It's like ninety four, five, know, ninety three. It's reallyanything. Well me, at least, the last that I checked, ninetythree was the cutoff. We now we don't know. For some ofthe other players cups there were some disqualifications, things like, you know, juniorsand seniors maybe getting points there or keys where they you know, justthey can't play really do to more so legal reasons than anything. Not thatthey're not good enough, not that pokemon is actively trying to exclude but justbecause, you know, there are some legality things when you're giving away moneyand holding, you know, competitions and yeah, it just it gets kindof Harry when you include the younger people. So we'll see what happens. ButI mean I said this to everyone, you know, and especially in PlayersCup three I was like super locked in. Players Cup four, Ifelt like I was pretty locked in for...

...for most of the keys. Ithink I played a little worse and Players Cup four than in Players Cup three, but, you know, forty point difference, you know, it ispretty pretty incredible. I think speaks a lot to kind of what I feltthe format was like. But to a lot of people like you, yougot to take every game you know and play it like as well as youcan write because because of I if I end up missing out, I'll havemissed out by one point, right. That's literally one game. Was thedifference here between making it in making it out. I am I crushed.No, I mean am I upset? Yeah, I mean, you know, I'd love to play, but I didn't make it, presumably at thispoint in time, and you know, I just have to live with that. It was like the sound Q, Top eights. What's that? Itwas the rage qups and getting top eights or I. Well, yeah,but I don't think I like so like, I don't think I played that badlyin those rage QS on those what's that? Someone get the cliffs?Yeah, I know, for Real, for real. Yeah, I definitelydid kind of like throw like one of my last few keys, for sure, but I what do I chalk it up to? I chalk it upto just kind of peek urm being a very not good deck in the keysthat I played in it, you know, in the in the Meta that Isaw it. You know that in the keys that I played, Ithink I went with peak ram and take. You know, keep in mind.You know, you say like well, you probably didn't play peak ROM correctly. Peak Rom was the only deck that I played for Players Cup threeand I was, you know, thirteen right. So, like, youknow, take take that argument. You'll listen to this right now and you'relike he just doesn't know how to play Peak Rom. Take that out yourmouth, R right now up. But I ended up, you know,playing peak ram and I think I'll have to go back and run the numbers, but I think I ended up, you know, with like a onepoint, two, five point per tournament...

...total with peak a ram or somethinglike, just something really stupidly low. And I was just finding myself gettingeaten up by the ETERNITYS has and the Ersh food decks and like the singlestrike or food X. it's just not good. Anytime I Queda peak ram, things were going south quickly, just purely based on the matchup, becausePikerram is one of those decks that you have the crushing Hammer, you havethe reset stamp, so in like eighty five percent of the matchups you're goingto have some chance to come back. Right you get a heads on acrushing hammer at the right time, it reset stamp. You opponent down thelow you get a tag bolt or or in a low and ride shoe,ride, shoot, you know, attack and you can make your way back, but but I just wasn't finding that to be the case, and that'syeah, I really kind of led me a straight yeah, so I feelyou. They're the meadow is definitely rough for Peka and I played as well. Actually ended him not finishing mine because I someone in there, our group, tapped me like an offhand comment about the dates of the Players Cup.So I end up looking at it was gonna be traveling that weekend. Yeah, I kind of like lost motivation. I still kind of wanted to doit, just the play the game, but then, of course, therethe thing that pushed me over the edge was I had two tournaments a rowor all three rounds are a TV, and I'm like, for the loveof the game, I can't even do this right. It's pretty funny.Yeah, I mean, I know you've been. You were very swamped overthe last month. I have been, and it's fine. I played inthe last two players cups. I don't mind sitting one out, but themetal was very hostile for Peek Rom in the keys that I did play outsideoutside of the to, like ATP tournaments that I played in. Yep,there's a lot of return to this,...

...a lot of Ershy Fuya single andrapid strike that I ran into. I'm just like a lot of ugly stuffgoing on and it wasn't especially satisfying to cut up with the Pekroum into those. Yeah, playing those, I was playing a mirror that was just like, it's kind of ugly. Yeah, I was averaging decently with my keys, but and I ontra on track to make it with the I played.But you know, it just would have taken a couple tournaments. We facea fighting deck in those first couple of pounds for it right. Absolutely.So, yeah, I definitely was a little bit of hostile of the Meta. I don't think I would have not played peek around. I was likeas those playing, I was trying to think, like, once I hitthe third is turness, I'm like should I bitch to like something else,and I just think of anything better. Yeah, although I will say themat it's definitely it's definitely shifting a lot, like over the over the weeks.I feel like every week then that I feels a little different and itgoes in these weird cycles. So you know, yeah, now people arereally invigorative with Victini, with the nuclarian rapid ash is definitely getting gaining steamand have like response that we see people playing your all teria decks pretty muchwith cank yeah on, like, yeah, it's going on with the Mame.It's very it's very unusual right now, I would say to yeah, andto kind of go off that point, it's like if I were to play, you know, if I would have played, I think, mykeys at the beginning of the player's Cup, I think I have a very differentoutcome than kind of spreading it out over the course of the turnout.Yeah, just because, like you're saying, people were getting a little bit moreexperimental. We're seeing, you know, I'll teria builds. We are seeingjust more kind of you know, I was seeing more single strike towardsthe end than, you know, towards the beginning. Like they're just peoplewere being being less Meta and a little...

...more rogue and I think that hurtsyou know. Well, it's just it's hard to play into that. Isaw more stall in the sun I can half than I did in the firsthalf. You know, just these kinds of things where, like you're absolutelyright, the Meta was shifting pretty be significantly throughout the course of the tournament. I would agree, and I mean you see that in the rest ofthe tournaments that are on right now, as well as all sorts of crazinessin the Meta, which is cool. It's exciting to see that, likethe Meta is flexible enough that it's not solved in the first two weeks ofplaying it. Yeah, you do love to see that. So, Imean, I'm excited for what's going on right now, excited to see whatthe continued addition and new cars and chilling rain continues to do the Meta.All that is said, though, our individual performances, I'd you know,the Players Cup. I guess the qualification period proper is starting in a coupleof weeks here, GW. Do you have anything in particular that you wouldhave on your radar heading into that event, you know, given the shifts thatwe end in the last weeks. Yeah, I would be a prettybig fan of playing single strike or Scaus. We's playing rapid strike or SFOO rightnow. I think that deck has a lot of options available to it. I think it can be pretty much anything aside from, you know,something like Luke Metal, I think would be a particularly difficult matchup, andI also don't ATP ATP is just kind of a you know that that darkcloud, but I think it's well positioned now more than almost.

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