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Season 3, Episode 4 · 1 year ago

3-4. The Player's Cup Electric Boogaloo

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back and so is the Player's Cup! Come check out how to use your keys and how to approach this epic sequel to an already epic event.

What's up everybody? Welcome back totag team, the POKEMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name isRiley Holbroot, joint as always, by my good friend JW Crew Wal JW. HOWS IT go today? It's going pretty good, Riley. I justfinished doing a green tea herbal face mask. Wow, wife, do you feellike your pores have been cleansed? Do you feel like holier now?It was definitely a minty feeling going on and there's still a little mint residue, yeah, coming off. So I would say overall success. It didn't. It dried like. I would say overall success, but it like someof it didn't dry, even though we left it on for as long asthe packaging said. But then the packaging, you know it wasn't made in theUnited States. There are a lot of typos, a lot of extraspaces. Before Commas, you loved the US, and so you just questionthe integratible granity, the integrity of the brand. Sure it was a funexperience. Nonetheless, I haven't really done any home beauty, home beautification before, so I've definitely never tried a face mask. Okay, actually do Ido have one. My friend went to Japan and got a Jiggli poff facemask and brought it back for me, but I just kind of eave itfor dislay. Okay, because it's so far okay, well, maybe oneepisode of the future we can just do dual face masks. Yeah, likea beautification episode. Yeah, that's good. I don't I don't know if thatreally is odd brand. Not gonna lie. Okay, well, Icould be a completely off brand episode. We do things that we don't normallydo, like maybe we talk about you Yo Meta game that day. Yeah, I don't. I don't know if I have a lot to say aboutit. I'd have to probably do a significant amount of research atting. Good. But how's your day going, Riley? It's going well. Certainly a lotgoing on. I'm very busy lately. My friend who lives in the apartmentacross the way from mine got a like. When I say cost,I mean like across the courtyard. Okay, she just got too little baby kittensand they're so cute, and so I've been hanging out and playing withthem, not to ignore my oak cast, because I ain't playing a lot withthem as well, and they get quite jealous. Like I'll walk backhome after send yeah, and mellow will walk up to me and she's justlike, I don't like that, that is not cool. So, yeah, but it's been really fun. Definitely angered your cats. I feel likean angry cat is not something I would want. The just the Yurin andthe yeah Melo scratching. My cats don't really do anything too crazy. Melosmore of like a passive aggression. Like if she's mad at me and I'mon my computer, she'll I have at my first monitors like right in frontof me and my second one is off to the right and a little bitbehind my first monitor. So what Mell will do she'll get behind the firstmonitor and stick her like entire body in front of the second monitor so Ican't see it. Got and she knows they don't like that. That's prettyunusual. Yeah, let's to do all the time when I'm like on phonecalls at work because, okay, I'll put like the screen share on mysecond monitor for a because it's bigger, but be because then if I getlike a chat notification, like someone team's message me over Microsoft teams, itwon't appear on the Second Monitor. It. I'll here on the first monitor.Gotch but so I always share that monitor and whenever I'm on the phone, metal doesn't like that because I'm not paying attention to her if I'm stilltalking to people, and so she'll always like get in front of the screento move. Cats or jealous, man, yeah, they do get jealous,but Oh, all fun though, all fun. I do love mykidies and I like the new kittens a lot. To anything else exciting goingon your life, JW man, I can't say that there is. Justbeen doing I don't know if I've told you this, but the last timewe talked I was thinking about getting into real estate, but now the themove is coding. So I thought it. Maybe did talk about that a littlebit in an among US game. But yeah, I'm I'm working towards, you know, maybe doing a boot camp and kind of getting up tospeed right now on what it would look like to be in one. SoI've been doing much coding modules and things online and that's been pretty stimulating.I don't know that I necessarily call it fun, because it's been kind ofthings that are a little maybe uninteresting. You know, you're just kind ofgoing through the motions and learning a lot of the building blocks of code.But it certainly a stimmulating and it's it's...

...things that I you know, kindof a repetitive process, that the language of coding is interesting in a senseto me that it can be so many different things. So I mean that. Sure, I obviously like coding. I do my job. Yeah,there you go. So it's pretty cool. Do you what what program to use? We you mean like language, their language? Yeah, we codeand what's called M it's a it's basically only used for medical record software.But I I know and like five languages right now. Okay, I tooka lot of different classes in college. That's part of a major. Sogotcha. Yeah, as far as I understand, like, the languages aren'tthe end all be y'all. Yeah, one know, like they're pretty they'repretty fluid. US. You understand the core principles, then you're going tobe able to maneuver around anything. Yeah, because a lot of it is moreabout, like, I hate to say like programmatically, but like it'sabout understanding, like programmatically, how these things fit together right and once youunderstand like okay, yeah, this is how I do this piece of functionalityin this language. Then you know it's all about just fitting the blocks together, and the blocks sometimes look different, smell different, taste different, butthey know they're all the same fundamentally. Yeah, yeah, so I've beenhaving a lot of fun with Java. That's what interesting. Learning interesting.Why is that? Jobs? It's not. I don't like that that much,but it's fine, really okay. Yeah, I think I've been lookingat a little bit of like dot and Ed and job and I like thesyntax a little bit more in Java. Yeah, but I get I meanI suppose that everyone has their own perfect no, no judge, of course, no judgment, but I'm judging you. I'm not judging you. Actually,I think it's I think it's really cool that you're for seeing something now. Yeah, so, yeah, I was gonna say let's let's jump rightinto it, though. So we wanted to start off today with a littlebit of a look into the next month or so of pokemon. So,for the unaware, the the Players Cup was so popular they decided to makea sequel. So Players Cup two is on the horizon, are they didthey say it was player is a players Cup two officially, or is itlike Players Cup autumn or something. Now I think it's Players Cup II.Yeah, I yes, those players cut road manumerble to. That's right.So sick. I know it looks a lot more official, but for sureplayers come to starting in five days, on September twenty eighth, and lastinguntil October twenty six. So just under a month's worth of POKEMON. Thatwill matter, which is pretty interesting. Yeah, and it will sad,definitely everyone. It will matter for everyone. Yeah, not just the people thathave enough turn you know, tickets or you know things like that.Everyone that has an online account, that has logged in before, you know, some arbitrary date that they said between. It said like between June and September, they'll get those tournament keys, and so you're going to see alot of participation, as opposed to Players Cup one, which is really gatekept by that by that ticket system. Yeah, so let's let's talk abouthow that system is evolved. So Players Cup one, the format was youcould enter any number of the Trading Card Guy Game Online tournaments, which therequisite to do that was the tournament tickets, and those tickets, unfortunately, arekind of difficult to get it. So some players felt like they didn'thave a chance. A lot of players felt like it would be a basicallya ticket war, and I don't want to say players cut. One flopped, because clearly there is a lot of participation. It was a success onthe role, but it was really difficult to get some players motivated to participate. Players cut too. By contrast, has the new tournament key system,which are allocated to you, like dw said, if you have participated inpokemon trading card game online in the last three months, and what those willdo is every player gets x amount, that that amount being fifty for thisplayer's Cup, and I think it's one ticket or one key per tournament andthat's how you're going to qualify instead. So it gives everyone a level playingfield in terms of how much one can participate in tournaments. It gives everyonea level playing field, just like you know what you're getting going in,which was not really the case with the first one, where it was veryambiguous, like what that ticket system would really amount to. Yeah, right, and I think a lot of people, and I think even myself included toan extent, kind of over analyzed the amount of work that it wouldtake, for sure, to the Players Cup. It ended up the barended up being a lot lower than you...

...were I really thought. But Ithink the principle again still kind of remains the same as like, well,you shouldn't really have a paid a play system in that kind of way onan online thing if you don't give enough people, like, enough time toactually prepare for that. Because because surely there are some there were some people, and you look at, you know, big content creators that do a lotof, you know, tournaments or whatever it is that just kind ofyou know, use their tournament tickets as you go. But then you havesome people that just hoard them and never playing tournaments, and obviously we're ata huge advantage. But that is all wipe the way. The slate iscompletely clean for this. Players come to and I couldn't be happier. Yeah, I'm definitely a lot more excited about it and I had, actually dohave quite a bit of tickets myself. But even then I felt so demotivatebecause I thought it would be, like you said, we kind of overanalyzedhow much people would be home for this and I would just be such anastronomical amount of tickets and I was just like this is absurd, like Idon't even want to be a part of that. Right where's this one ismuch, much more clearly defined. You can go at your own pace.You don't feel like you're you're cramped down by the pressure to constantly do moreand more, like you were in the First Cup. So I'm really excitedto get into this one. So before we do anything, I we canjust briefly go over how the the game itself, is looking. We've kindof harped on this a bunch of times now, so I don't want tospend more than a minute on IT ATPA turn. This still standing at thetop. Crushing Hammer finding its way into quite a few lists now, Pokemoncatcher finding its way into pretty much every 'soshtion list at this point. Imean we kind of reached the point where those two are the the monoliths ofthe format, the stand about everything else, and you're either playing them or playingspecifically to beat them. Would you agree to me? I would ahundred percent agree. There are some other decks that kind of fit in.You look at the things like peak Ram, you look at the things like frostmoth, Baby Bili Cephalon, you just sit you why there's a numberof other decks that can compete, as sent to Scorge, but really,when you when you look at it, probably the bit and at least forme, like the most the highest winning percentages for my testing have very easilycome with ATP and and it's hearn it is. Yeah, I mean Ithink they've really set themselves apart in the format and we've given our thoughts onthose decks more than a handful of times. So I don't want to spend toomuch time talking about it. Like I said, what I'm more interestedin talking about is what the approach to the Players Cup as a whole willlook like, and we were kind of using about this before the cast.JW, I don't know if you have any preliminary thoughts about what your approachthe players couple be like. When? When you're going to use your tickets? How are you going to approach like deck building? What what are yourthoughts heading into the specifics of this event? Yeah, well, since it isin the current format, I don't believe that we will include any championspath in the duration of the Players Cup. To we have a pretty good ideaof what the metagame looks like and so that should inform us when webring our deck choices and I for me, I will always going into a bigtournament, if it's a one time event like I'll always focus on likethree to five decks heading into that tournament. Obviously this is a little bit morewide scale, being fifty individual tournaments, that I could change decks for everyone, but I think the whole point remains largely the same is that I'vebeen testing, you know, very specifically like five decks and I have allthose decks and kind of know the exact matchup spreads of each of those decksand so heading into the Players Cup, I'm going to know okay, Iwant to lead with this deck and I want to play a certain number oftournaments with you know, ATP that's that's looking to me like the just handsdown the best deck in this format, and then if I find that that'snot working eventually I'll switch. Now the question becomes when would be the optimaltime to switch decks, and that's something we can talk about in a second. But you bring up the question when should you start? I think that'svery valid. So we have a whole month to play our fifty tournaments andso should you begin, you know, and blow them all at the start? Should you space them out? Should you play everything in the middle?Should you play everything at the end? You know, should you and areall these tournaments right at the end? And I think probably the at leastwhat I'm going to do is to gage the general interest in general level atthe beginning by maybe doing, you know, a couple of tournaments a day forprobably the first week, not blow all the tickets, but just kindof to a crue some data on what other people are playing and how mydeck kind of fits into this this online metagame that is largely completely different than, you know, a competitive Meta game.

Right, you have to take thatinto account. It's like every single person that has a ptcgo account willget these codes. So the metagame is going to be even crazier than whatit would be for like a regional's right. So taking you know, taking ita little bit slowly in that first week, trying to gage what everyone'splaying and what kind of a general metagame is, and then really going intoit in that in that early second week, Third Week and using all the tournamenttickets. That's going to be my my strategy, not waiting until theend, because I think there's going to be a lot of people that doend up waiting till the end and maybe get burned because they're going to haveto play against everyone else that's waiting till the end. I have a Ihave a sneaking feeling that the beginning of the Players Cup or that that firstto second week around around there, like late first week, early second week, is going to be probably the ideal time to actually, like use mostof your tournament keys. Yeah, I totally agree with you about the endbeing like the worst time to do it. I have a feeling, I meanjust generally speaking, if you're playing at the end, you know themost on the line and like it's more of an active choice. Right likeearly on, you know, you could just have a tcgo account, seethat you have these keys and just play and early on just because you havethem, or even midway through. But if someone's like coming in towards theend, that means they know what they're trying to do and they want toget it done. So it's going to be players who are probably pretty good, but we're also too lazy to do it before, is which to meseems like a pretty large subset. I don't know if you agree. It'sI think you're applying that. You do well, yeah, with your earlierstatements. So I think the end will be kind of chaotic, kind ofa mess. I actually think playing pretty early on will lead to a fairamount of success. I think even if a lot of good players are playingin that time, they'll be so many players that it won't really matter becausethe pool be so diluted. And same applies, honestly, this first coupleweeks. And I don't think the metagame is like shifting anywhere. So it'snot like, you know, it's not like gaining Meta game benefit from fromwaiting per se. Not that I'm not that I'm like counteracting a point ofyours or anything. It's just a point of mine. Um. So that'skind of where I'm leaning. Is. I kind of want to just getit done with relatively soon. If me personally, I probably won't actually dothat in practice. I'll probably kind of burn them slowly throughout the month justbecause I don't really have the time to grind them all out at once,unless I really sit down on like a Saturday sure and just do it all, which to me doesn't shround very fun either. It's right, right,but that's what I would if you're like really trying to grind in, Iwould say that the earlier on that better. Yeah, I think people will beless invested early on. And then do you think, Riley, itwould be better to you know, sit down and dedicate, you know,one day or one evening to really grinding a lot of your tournaments out,or would you say that you would rather spread them out over, you know, a couple days or a week or two weeks? I mean, tome I would I'd rather spend them out for a couple reasons. One justbecause for me, time constraint is like an issue. But on a largerscale, I think burnout is like real and if you're just playing six hoursstraight of these TCO tournaments and you're waiting like arbitrary amounts of time between everyround, I mean it would be more than six hours, I think,to blast your fifty of those a lot. So even if you're going through likeeight hours of tournaments, and yeah, like a regional is comparable to that, but you know you're going to get burnt out and TCGO. IsNot the same as playing in real life and you don't have like the energyof like hanging out with your friends the whole time like you do it origional. So it's going to kind of get grating, in my opinion. AndI really enjoy like playing TCD and playing tsgoh, but I know if I'mjust sitting there like playing for a while, eventually I'll stop paying as much attention. That's sure. And this is something that's specific to tcg oh,because you know, I'm on my computer. I'm doing other stuff too, butthat's my nation track minded when you're playing Ptcjo, know, and soI'm probably doing other stuff. Like I'm going to get less and less interestedas my day goes on. Yeah, I'll be haphazardly doing what I thinkis appropriate, but maybe not. Isn't really like thoughtfully done. So Isay to spare yourself the trouble of having to worry about that even and justtake it at the pace it feels appropriate to. If I could actually makea macro recommendation to everyone listening, I would say to start early on.Burn a couple tickets a day. If you feel motivated, go for more, but like don't force yourself in Eddie Pigeonhole. Just do what feels rightfor you and you'll probably get your best...

...result right right now. That that'sgood and and ultimately, I think too we are saying that this players cometoo likely will be more competitive given this more equal playing ground. But there'sstill two hundred fifty six open slots to make kind of this this second phaseof the tournament. So it should be relatively easy if you put your bestfoot forward throughout the duration of your you know, fifty tickets like it shouldbe attainable for anyone that really truly wants to do it. And so don'tthink too hard, I mean take our recommendations and you know, ultimately we'rejust speculating, so it kind of doesn't really matter. If you have,you know, another take on it, then by all means you want towait to the last second, and we've been saying don't do that. Like, by all means do that if that's what you feel is going to getyou a better result. I think, to Riley, we should talk aboutwhat to do if you or how you're going to go about selecting decks,because I think there are some people that might, you know, play atournament with a deck and then it loses in the first round and then theymight immediately switch decks and then they might, you know, lose them again inthe first round and then they might switch decks again, and then theremight also be other people that just play one deck for the duration of theirtournament tickets. They'll just play one deck for Fifty Tournament Keys. And doyou have any thoughts on what makes sense and in terms of whether or notyou would switch decks, and what would those reasons be for you for switchingdecks? There's a couple reasons I could see for me, if I couldeven consider myself just playing a deck I just really enjoy and I think it'sset my decent and switching it to that occasionally, as opposed to just goingfor like Meta monolith. Generally speaking, I think you should avoid making snapjudgments based on the results of individual tournaments. So you know there's always going tobe a fair amount of orange going into these and Orag maybe isn't alwaysthe appropriate word, but you know you don't know who's going to come intothese individual tournaments out and given hour, you don't know what decks they're goingto be playing. You don't know if they're going to be like hard techingagainst certain decks, and so using individual or even small subsets of tournaments toinform like your overall performance is kind of a downward slope. I would sayit's a slippery slope. If you have a deck that's consistent and you knowworks, that's going to be the real key, because there's going to beso many factors that are out of your control and these individual tournaments. Soyou don't want to be like, Oh, you know, my ATP deck thatgets off turn to alter creation or turn one alter creation. You know, ninety percent of the time it got just completely pooped on by this randomfairy attacker deck or something. Yeah, you know, don't get immediately discouragedby that. Like stay the chorus for a little bit. Make sure there'sno macro meadow trends like and it's especially hard if you lose in the firstround because you could lose to the person who ends up like winning the tournamentand they just had a really good deck and and played really well and that'sjust your luck of the draw. There's no seating, you know, youjust you get what you get right and then, I think particularly to ina best of one format. We're going first or second, can really makeor break either deck. It's important to just keep that in mind too.Is like if you happen to go, you know, you're forced to gofirst, and your deck of choice that sent to scorch. You know,obviously that's not a good place to be in and you lose, you know, a few tournaments really early. Well, if you're really committed to playing,sent to Scorch, then again, give it a little bit more timeto let that even out in terms of you know, where you start andhow far you get in that tournament. I think for me, looking athow many tournaments it would take me for like bad results to influence my deckchoice, probably be about ten. Like I am testing before I go tothe tournaments. I mean that's a big point as well, like don't usethe tournaments to try to figure out what's to play. Go into the tournamentsknowing what you're going to play, like being confident in a deck that youthink, yes, you know, this could win the Players Cup, thiscould win a regional you know this could do well at a real event,and then use the the tournaments as your you know, as the as theculmination of all that testing that you've done right, and so probably about tenor so tournaments I would give myself before I would consider switching decks, andI think, I don't know, maybe you have some thoughts on that,but I think that that's a probably a good threshold. Like twenty percent ofthe of the tournament goes by or, you know, twenty percent of yourtickets are gone, I think that's probably a good time to stop and reflecton how you've done, either with the deck, you know, reflecting whetheror not the skill level is appropriate for...

...you and whether or not, youknow, you should consider switching to a deck that maybe is better against whatyou've been seeing. Yeah, I would say somewhere in the like five toten range is about right. It's hard to say, because if you loseround one you miss out on a lot of insight about how the rest ofthe tournament looked. But let's say, I mean let's say even you're makingit to the finals of all these tournaments, and so you've seen three rounds ofall these tournaments and you know, your five tournaments in and you noticelike consistent trends in terms of how the decks should are looking or built youknow, you might not switch decks, but you might change like a couplecards and be like, okay, you know, there's clearly a lot ofthis deck, so I'm going to play wait and see hammer or something.You know, be thought at the same time, like be rigid and confidentin your decisions, but also be thoughtful about what that decision is and likewhy it should evolved. You know, it's a definitely a balancing act.You got to you got to be spinning these different plates and whenever one startsthe tumble, you got to, you know, start spinning it again.You know, right, right, ultimately, ultimately, I think, Riley,there's no silver bullet that we can give to any listener, you know, but you're always free to, you know, message me if you havequestions on how your performance has been going. I mean, I'm always an openbook to try to give any amount of advice that I can if you'rereally struggling with a certain problem or certain deck or something like that. Butultimately, be confident in the decks that you've tested heading into the tournament.I think that's just the biggest piece of advice, because I think there area lot of players out there that I know that are going to be discouraged. Maybe they yeah like losing the first round, but their deck is verycapable of carrying them to the Players Cup. But they lose in the first roundof like the first two tournaments and then they're looking to immediately like switchup their whole list, you know, tech it out for certain things thatjust don't make sense, or or just change the deck entirely, and Idon't think that's really the way to go. I think you should trust your intuition, trust your testing and give each deck, or at least give yourfirst deck, the fair shake that it needs to produce good results. Justdefinitely don't tech for mad party. When you see rally you're definitely going totry to qualify with mad party on. I think I could do it allright. That's a challenge. That it is. That actually leads me intoanother question, though, and this is something that my last thing I wantto do with the players got. Yeah, so last players cut. People thoughtthe point threshold be really high. It clearly wasn't. Obviously there's morelevel set playing gund I imagine they'll be like more universe will participation. Doyou have any idea what that threshold will look like. Do you think itwill ex I think obviously it'll be higher than before. Do you think it'llbe significantly higher? Do you think it will be, you know, asmall percent increase? I mean, it's hard to say. I have toimagine that it'll be significantly higher, but it's I mean it's tough to givean estimate. I think we'll probably see, you know, within the first week, like if we can extrapolate a little bit better. I decide.Feel like the first week will be so hard. I feel like so manypeople will be you know, they'll be on Monday and the last week andthey're like, crap, I don't know, man. It's really tough because wehaven't seen anything like this before. So, like trying to make aninformed opinion about this is really hard. But I think, you know,there will be probably a bell curve right of participation levels. So you'll probablyhave a lot of people at the beginning, a lot of people at the endand it'll probably dip slightly in terms of participation. But I think you'restill should be able to extrapolate from that and from the postings on the sitekind of a week by week how many points like you should be at toqualify in those top two fifty six. Yeah, it's I definitely think it'llbe messy as you get like towards the bottom of that right. It'll beclose, I think. And the reason I ask is because what I've well, we found the first players cup was people who honestly, probably might nothave even been trying to make it ended up making it because so many peoplewould like give it up so early. Yeah, and I'm curious if youthink a similar thing will happen. I don't know about that. I thinkjust being able to have that again level playing field is very, very importantand should yield some pretty interesting results in the sense of how many people willcontinue to play. Like it would be interesting to see that kind of dataon how many people use all of their tickets and how many people that youknow played during this week, you know how well they did. That wouldbe really and people that played, I know, because the kind of datawe won't get right, of course, and I mean I don't even knowthat it's like on pokemons and like if...

...they even have a tracker for thatkind of stuff, but it just be interesting. I would love to seethat kind of stuff too. Yeah, because then, I mean, youthink about it too, Players Cup to is you know, there's a thoughtthat there will be more in the future. It's a wide yeah, yeah,we're not seeing kind of a slowdown in corona that we maybe could hopefor. And so, you know, for the indefinite future the game willlikely be online. So you know, this will be a good litmus testfor this online tournament format and being able to, yeah, try to trackhow it goes from this tournament will be huge to inform, you know,potential future tournaments. Agreed. Agreed. I'm excited to see it on full, that's for sure. Maybe you can expect us to give us the lowdownas far as how we're doing, as well as tips and tricks for youall. As the player's Cup two progresses. Moving on now we have our cardof the week, presented by JW This Week, Sat jaw, yougot me all hyped up what you got cooked up for us. Did Iget you hyped up for it now? But I got hyped because that youhad mentioned that you had already picked it up. Yes, yes, well, I I am a huge fan of this, this card, not necessarilythis Pokemon to lucky. I know. No, no, I mean Ilike the POKEMON. It's not. It's not the the best pokemon ever.Okay, anyway, but I love this card for a lot of different reasons. But my card to the week for this week is a prime. Okay, it is the I mean I don't even know if it's arguable. It'sthe like best prime in terms of consistency and power. I know what itis now. It's an electric type. Yeah, it got one eyeball.That is magnazone prime. I love magazone prime with its POKA power, magneticdraw, drawn till you have six cards in your hand. And so thiswas the era, you know, when her gold soul silver came out.This was right after we had a format that was pretty it had clayd allpretty entrenched in the format and deck construction. Yeah, and so you go fromclay to all, which is a stronger power. Right, you puttwo on the bottom of your deck and draw up to six. But magneticdraw kind of filled that void that we had went by losing clayde all.Being able to draw UN till you had six in your hand was just awesomebecause you were able to you know, I mean that's that's just a greatability. So and then it also had a bliss CEPHALON GX type attack.For those of you that that weren't around back in the heartcold, soul silverera, magdazone also had a loss purn attack. Put as many cards attachedto your Pokemon as you like in the law zone and it does fifty timesthe number of energy in the law zone. So I mean you look at likelike, let's just comparable Cephalon and Magnusone, like Matt Blows, Cephaloncame out what six years later, something like that, and still had thatsame damage potential that magna zone did back in the early two thousand and tenS, and that's just crazy to me to think that. You know,the attack is essentially exactly the same. Yeah, well, the only differencebeing the the counts, the cost, you know, cost one lightning aone colorless on magna zone to I so it's tax actually better. We'll CEPHALON. What's that? I guess it's tax actually slightly better because they can getany energy off any POKEMON. That's true. That's true. It doesn't have tojust be fires, and that was a big thing when magazone was aroundbecause you could play things like rescue energy. You could play magnazone with with firecards. There was a type Flosian that you could get things back with. There was mbore when black a white set came out. There were alot of ways to play magna zone. That wasn't just you know, itwasn't a one track mind kind of deck and I actually got my first regionalstop eight with magnazone. In my second tournament ever, I played Magna Zonejust and again speaking to the power of the card, I played magna zonewith vile plume because I thought I thought, you know what, this was mydeck theory at the time. I was like, okay, what's likethe best card in the format. Why don't I put it with the secondbest card in the form and like make this wacky deck? And so Idid that and I really did believe back then magnazone was the best card inthe format. You had this insane draw potential. That was really the mainreason for playing it. But then it was also a sweeper of sorts.You know, in the late game you could start hitting those huge numbers ifyou really needed to take out a threat on the opponent's side of the board. Yeah, and then yet you had vile plume, which of course justlocks everything down. So that was a really cool deck that I had created, that I invented. That like got me way farther than I should havegone, but was super hilarious and it just always makes me remember magnazone superfinely. Yeah, Magnus zone prime is...

...one of my favorite cards to andit was before even started playing. It was just such a cool card.I actually have the magnet wore world's deck, the MBORE magnusone prime. Yeah,sure, Ram and it played Deox strick ways a Leegens as well.That was so broken. That card is so broken. Yeah, that thatwas the original att evenbody really like played it that much, though, wasthe thing. That card was so good. Yeah, that wasn't even really likethat popular back then, like it was popular enough to, you know, win world, but it wasn't like it was, you know, itwasn't like ATP is now, you know, just everywhere. It was pretty kindof unusual, I guess. At the well, the thing is it'slike yes, it can take the extra prize and for the uninformed, Requaizindiox is legend or is the ex strictly. I think it's Jackson Queza. Itwill take an extra prize with its ability. It does one hundred andfifty damage, so it will back up body. It's body body. Yeah, buddy, it will knock out pretty much anything in front of it.It does either one hundred forty one hundred and fifty and it sot'll take anextra prize card this side. The downside, though, is that magnazone can justKao it back with three energy and then it takes an additional prize cardfor K oing a legend. So it's a little awkward. Yeah, that'slike my favorite deck to solitaire. Whenever I'm like cooking food or something,I get on my magnet war deck and just solitaire it because it's so fun. You just see draw the cards, you lost her the stuff, youknow. I mean it's it really is amazing how verstal that that card was. You've played with mbor played with Tai Floshan. You can play with KingDraw, you could play it with Yon Mega, you could play it withvile plume. It was just the perfect card because it had and it's asynergy that we haven't seen a long time and fireflying, fire brings it upin the chat. Just this great draw ability with a very, very reasonableand powerful attack. That's you know, it's good. I don't necessarily thinkthat it's overpowered. You know, it does a lot of damage. Youget the get rid of the energy forever. So I think there is some balanceto that. But yeah, very rarely would you get all six withjust magnism. Right, right, just an an amazing card. I loveit so much. Yeah, I mean for the more modern player is isstill like a little bit date of an example, relatively speaking, but imagineif octillery had knuckle impact, you know, like that's that's what we're working withyou. Yeah, right, or I'd be like IFS ations ability didn'tend your turn, you know, like yeah, honestly, honestly, yeah, yeah, so, so fun go. Well, thank you for Shanity.W I love the heart goals all Silver Eric Cards, Super Fund.They're awesome. They're despite being some of the uglier like secret rares or rares. So I guess with the prime kind of that close up view, Ithink it brought a lot of interesting stuff to the table. The definitely did. So let's jump into our last topic for the day before questions and thatis the upcoming set released on this Friday, champions path. So, for theuninformed chantion, Champions Path is the quote Unquote Bonas set for the year. Every year pokemon will do like an additional set. Around this time wehad hidden fates, we had shining legends, and champions path is a new as iteration of that. We got a couple new cards, some reprinceold cards, the shiny chars ards and va and Rainbow Chars rvmax for thecollectors out there. And overall, it said, it's a fun little rockin the POKEMON trading card game world. JW. Is there anything you're especiallyexcited for champions path? Um, I think the chars are. It's bothlook beautiful. I just want to say that, like I the older Iget, the more I understand collecting. I used to not be that intocollecting and then recently I've just there have just been cards. I showed youearlier today. I bought the lenticular Deoxys from a few episodes ago. Iwas like it just it was a card that, you know, they cameon sale and I was like it just seems, you know, really niceand I don't often do that kind of stuff in terms of buying cards.But I understand now why people do it, because the shiny chars are just looksamazing in a set and like the rainbow rare vmax like looks so good. And then there's another card coming out soon, the Pikachu v Max LookI love and I love that. Yeah, I'm getting them and so I'm likereally digging the art that they're coming out with. You're recently and Ican understand that. You know, people just want to get their hands onthose chars arts. They look awesome. I will say, for all theTimes I've ragged on v Max has, they'd have really nice art as onthe whole, like all the v Max's look super cool. Yeah, soI can't hate them for that. Are...

...there any of the new cards thatyou think might have a splash the guard of our the dreadnaught? Yeah,we are agreeing a little bit. Yeah, we were talking a little bit aboutthose. I do like the dreadnought. I think it probably goes into anATP style deck, just replacing zastion. It has a little bit more health, which would be the reason you would want to play it over asoption. You know, in the mirror match as option can just get,you know, one shot in return by an opposing saption. So but potentiallydreadnought. Gives you a little bit more stability for like a mirror match.Guardivore seems fine, like, seems good. I'm interested, for sure, butreally, I mean, you're collector, I think, if you're buying thisset in bulk. For sure. Yeah, I I tend to agree. I don't think there's any car that really sticks out and the set,honestly, the card that sticks out the most of me it is that likemysterious can or whatever, the like, the one that heals. I waslike, yeah, the fact as a secret airs is so funny to methat I kind of just want one. Yeah, for sure, it's likeone of the funniest cards. It's like what it's there's some specific name.What's it called? It's not like stinky tin can, but it's like somethingjust like really disgusting. Yeah, it's got like an awful name. Yeah, yeah, and I think it's so funny. I think the art onit is very funny. I think the fact it has their secret air isextra funny, because I kind of just want one of those. Yeah,it's like suspicious can maybe suspicious. How are you looking it up? I'mtrying. Yeah, so I had folking each up earlier. I should haveshould have kept it open. That's okay. Well, looking, I'm looking.Yeah, so it's strange canned food, strange can't food. That's so yeah, that's better than anything I would have ever thought of. That's sogood. That is so good. That's definitely my favorite card in the setand honestly that was like close ish to being playable. Sure, sure,more than the some of the others. Sure, yeah, I mean.I mean there are a few other interesting things. You know. Obviously allthe V's are going to be somewhat viable in the sense that they just haveenough health to like potentially survive enough turn to win a game. But yeah, I mean it it's an interesting little set that that certainly won't make thatmuch of a splash competitively. I think there's a lot of things that youdon't need in terms of competitive play. But I think one thing that wedo need to talk about that's a little item that is in the set isthe Rodom phone. Look at the top five cards and choose one card youfind there and then put it on top of your deck. So that's alittle consistency boost card that could be pretty interesting. Yeah, it's kind ofcool if you play like your anger in your deck, kind of a mycargo type Combo where you you draw like the top the card that you chooseright. It's it works fast and cards that are probably like jam packed withconsistency. Rand, you know, you play a road of phone, useanger to draw hopefully one of your high count items or our cards. That'sreally easy to find. Yeah, I do kind of like the card.I don't know if it'll see an extreme amount of play, but I thinkit has potential. I mean it. Yeah, I kind of remember remindsme of trainer's Mail and something that we've been missing in this format specifically isthat item based consistency. We lost acrobike. Yeah, I was just about tosay we have other cards and so that, to me is a wayto introduce a little bit more item based Straw. Another card that I've seensome players really talk about, especially at the beginning of this format when playerswere discussing decidu. I was that, well, maybe, you know,there would be a card in the future that is a little bit better inAltaria, having that same kind of ability that Decidu I has, where itcan't be damaged by pokemon be or POKEMON G X, and the difference thereis that it's a stage one, as posed SIDUA being a stage too,and so maybe there's a little bit more viability with the wall esque strategy.You look at certain decks, like hit and run decks like a Gredient,for example. You know not that Gredent saw any play in this format,but you also have to think like the difficulty in setting up a Decidu Iwas certainly one of the hindrances to a deck like gredent being successful, andso you look to add just a few more walls like that. It's somethingthat I welcome. I think that's a good thing for the game. We'veseen Decidu I do pretty well, all things considered, in this current format, and so I welcome, you know, an easier decidu I like, away to get out something that has that same ability that's been super strongin this format and just being able to get it out a little bit moreconsistently. Yeah, to wait for the...

HOOPA and wait for the Hoopah.Yeah, the the the basic with the same yeah, ability. Right,that'll come towards the end of the block, though. Right, yeah, right, right, yeah, I, I. I think they'll tarry.Is Cool. Definitely easier to splash into decks than DECIDUA. Yes, Imean that's goes without saying. Right, yeah, no doubt. I thinkit's still as the problem where there are certain decks that wall strategies are stillill equipped to be, namely thinking of stuff like sent to scorge or ATPwith one prizers, sure, but still cool. I want to see morealternative strategies rise up over the course of this metagame and I think as cardsare injected into it through the seth that are coming out, include champions path, that will become more and more of a thing. Any other champions pathcards catch your eye? Nothing that I particularly like. Those are the cardsthat I was either really excited a boy myself, or have heard about thatI think have some amount of viability. Cool. So let's just jump rightin, then, to viewer questions. So if you do have a questionand you're watching live on twitch, feel free to drop it in the chat. Will answer a couple more before we hop offer today. As always,we appreciate your viewership and listenership. If you're listening on Itunes, feel freeto leave a review. It helps us out a lot and we'll get rightinto the questions now. So mirrored of asking about the altarian champions path.Yep, there's an Altaria at like we said, has a very similar abilityto disadvise, only different in name, where it is safe from POKEMON Vand gx. So cower and were ATPE. What's that? Cower and fear atx that don't play the there out. If they do play the dre outon the that's unlucky. Yeah, I mean we're looking at, youknow, champions path coming out in a couple days and then we also havevivid voltage coming out here in what the December or November said. So yeah, a few new sets. I I haven't really seen too much from vividvoltage that I am geeked about. That should, you know, flip theformat on a ted by any means, but still, you know, newcards, more cards always nice, always nice to have. Yeah, apparentlythey're doing it. Twenty five anniversary set to in fifth and February on PokemonDay. Some serious with that will be yeah, exactly yeah, I Ican't I can't wait. I really enjoyed, you know, when they had evolutionscome out. That was the what twenty anniversary? The evolutions and generationsand all. They both came in and then, you know, they hadsome more products, like the during the fifteen anniversary they had like a Pikachuproduct. Or was that also twenty anniversary? Do you remember the Silver Pikachu?The Silver Pikachu was fifteen. Yeah, those fifteen, okay, and thenyou know, they've just had different little special things that are absolutely amazing. I have loved all the kind of promotional items that they've done for theanniversary. So really excited to see what they have in store for us herewith the twenty five. I just hope there's a cool Pika Chew Guard.That Pikachu v Looks Insane. Bro. I love Pikachu v Max Man.He is here to be met the but he looks great also. I knowthey've both like good, but the vvacs is just so big. Yeah,for sure, for sure. We also have a question here from Ryan.How do you feel about the Players Cup changes? Are you planning to participate? I think the changes, if I had a grade them on like afive out of five star scale. I would say five. I mean itwas exactly what we needed in terms of, you know, everyone being equal andeveryone playing at the same level. The tournament keys. Great idea,perfect execution, I think, being able to give every single person fifty andthat's there. You know, a lot of amount. I think it's goingto work out really well. Terms of our we planning to participate? Wedefinitely are. I cannot wait to for potentially stream some of the Players Cup. I probably won't do all of it, like I'll probably do most of myplayers Cup participation just on my own off stream, but yeah, I'mstoked to participate. I can't wait too. Can't wait to compete. Sounds likeyou're afraid of street and CIPHERS, man. Yeah, Dude, I'mso afraid of stream snipers brow. Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to it too, but nobody's allowed to play mad party counters on ladder or on thetear guns while I'm doing it. Yeah, yeah, you heard it here.Nobody can play against Riley. At least you can't play ATP let's see, mirred off with the rise of non vgx decks recently, like Mad Partyin Harro Pot, do you think these...

...decks actually have a chance the matter? Are they currently just here to as is? They're pretty much capped attier two or lower because ATP just beat thumb so consistently. Yeah, Imean even and the thing is like the decks like that always will sacrifice someamount of consistency to the two prize and onwards decks. So stuff like aturn of this, even though in theory it should have rough matchups against theseone prize decks that can one to two hit Koh at turn it is.It doesn't always end up that way because they are just so consistent and we'lldo the same thing they want every single game, or close to everything.Well put. Well, great, Riley. I think that will conclude our episodefor this week. It's been another good one. Good APP good atMan. Yeah, well, thank you so much to everyone who watched.Again, thank you to a Zul for the raid as we got towards theend of the stream here, and stick around if you're watching live and you'llget see JW streams of Pope. Thank you again for watching, guys.Will Talk to you soon.

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