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Season 3, Episode 4 · 2 years ago

3-4. The Player's Cup Electric Boogaloo

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back and so is the Player's Cup! Come check out how to use your keys and how to approach this epic sequel to an already epic event.

What's up everybody? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name is Riley Holbroot, joint as always, by my good friend JW Crew Wal JW. HOWS IT go today? It's going pretty good, Riley. I just finished doing a green tea herbal face mask. Wow, wife, do you feel like your pores have been cleansed? Do you feel like holier now? It was definitely a minty feeling going on and there's still a little mint residue, yeah, coming off. So I would say overall success. It didn't. It dried like. I would say overall success, but it like some of it didn't dry, even though we left it on for as long as the packaging said. But then the packaging, you know it wasn't made in the United States. There are a lot of typos, a lot of extra spaces. Before Commas, you loved the US, and so you just question the integratible granity, the integrity of the brand. Sure it was a fun experience. Nonetheless, I haven't really done any home beauty, home beautification before, so I've definitely never tried a face mask. Okay, actually do I do have one. My friend went to Japan and got a Jiggli poff face mask and brought it back for me, but I just kind of eave it for dislay. Okay, because it's so far okay, well, maybe one episode of the future we can just do dual face masks. Yeah, like a beautification episode. Yeah, that's good. I don't I don't know if that really is odd brand. Not gonna lie. Okay, well, I could be a completely off brand episode. We do things that we don't normally do, like maybe we talk about you Yo Meta game that day. Yeah, I don't. I don't know if I have a lot to say about it. I'd have to probably do a significant amount of research atting. Good. But how's your day going, Riley? It's going well. Certainly a lot going on. I'm very busy lately. My friend who lives in the apartment across the way from mine got a like. When I say cost, I mean like across the courtyard. Okay, she just got too little baby kittens and they're so cute, and so I've been hanging out and playing with them, not to ignore my oak cast, because I ain't playing a lot with them as well, and they get quite jealous. Like I'll walk back home after send yeah, and mellow will walk up to me and she's just like, I don't like that, that is not cool. So, yeah, but it's been really fun. Definitely angered your cats. I feel like an angry cat is not something I would want. The just the Yurin and the yeah Melo scratching. My cats don't really do anything too crazy. Melos more of like a passive aggression. Like if she's mad at me and I'm on my computer, she'll I have at my first monitors like right in front of me and my second one is off to the right and a little bit behind my first monitor. So what Mell will do she'll get behind the first monitor and stick her like entire body in front of the second monitor so I can't see it. Got and she knows they don't like that. That's pretty unusual. Yeah, let's to do all the time when I'm like on phone calls at work because, okay, I'll put like the screen share on my second monitor for a because it's bigger, but be because then if I get like a chat notification, like someone team's message me over Microsoft teams, it won't appear on the Second Monitor. It. I'll here on the first monitor. Gotch but so I always share that monitor and whenever I'm on the phone, metal doesn't like that because I'm not paying attention to her if I'm still talking to people, and so she'll always like get in front of the screen to move. Cats or jealous, man, yeah, they do get jealous, but Oh, all fun though, all fun. I do love my kidies and I like the new kittens a lot. To anything else exciting going on your life, JW man, I can't say that there is. Just been doing I don't know if I've told you this, but the last time we talked I was thinking about getting into real estate, but now the the move is coding. So I thought it. Maybe did talk about that a little bit in an among US game. But yeah, I'm I'm working towards, you know, maybe doing a boot camp and kind of getting up to speed right now on what it would look like to be in one. So I've been doing much coding modules and things online and that's been pretty stimulating. I don't know that I necessarily call it fun, because it's been kind of things that are a little maybe uninteresting. You know, you're just kind of going through the motions and learning a lot of the building blocks of code. But it certainly a stimmulating and it's it's...

...things that I you know, kind of a repetitive process, that the language of coding is interesting in a sense to me that it can be so many different things. So I mean that. Sure, I obviously like coding. I do my job. Yeah, there you go. So it's pretty cool. Do you what what program to use? We you mean like language, their language? Yeah, we code and what's called M it's a it's basically only used for medical record software. But I I know and like five languages right now. Okay, I took a lot of different classes in college. That's part of a major. So gotcha. Yeah, as far as I understand, like, the languages aren't the end all be y'all. Yeah, one know, like they're pretty they're pretty fluid. US. You understand the core principles, then you're going to be able to maneuver around anything. Yeah, because a lot of it is more about, like, I hate to say like programmatically, but like it's about understanding, like programmatically, how these things fit together right and once you understand like okay, yeah, this is how I do this piece of functionality in this language. Then you know it's all about just fitting the blocks together, and the blocks sometimes look different, smell different, taste different, but they know they're all the same fundamentally. Yeah, yeah, so I've been having a lot of fun with Java. That's what interesting. Learning interesting. Why is that? Jobs? It's not. I don't like that that much, but it's fine, really okay. Yeah, I think I've been looking at a little bit of like dot and Ed and job and I like the syntax a little bit more in Java. Yeah, but I get I mean I suppose that everyone has their own perfect no, no judge, of course, no judgment, but I'm judging you. I'm not judging you. Actually, I think it's I think it's really cool that you're for seeing something now. Yeah, so, yeah, I was gonna say let's let's jump right into it, though. So we wanted to start off today with a little bit of a look into the next month or so of pokemon. So, for the unaware, the the Players Cup was so popular they decided to make a sequel. So Players Cup two is on the horizon, are they did they say it was player is a players Cup two officially, or is it like Players Cup autumn or something. Now I think it's Players Cup II. Yeah, I yes, those players cut road manumerble to. That's right. So sick. I know it looks a lot more official, but for sure players come to starting in five days, on September twenty eighth, and lasting until October twenty six. So just under a month's worth of POKEMON. That will matter, which is pretty interesting. Yeah, and it will sad, definitely everyone. It will matter for everyone. Yeah, not just the people that have enough turn you know, tickets or you know things like that. Everyone that has an online account, that has logged in before, you know, some arbitrary date that they said between. It said like between June and September, they'll get those tournament keys, and so you're going to see a lot of participation, as opposed to Players Cup one, which is really gate kept by that by that ticket system. Yeah, so let's let's talk about how that system is evolved. So Players Cup one, the format was you could enter any number of the Trading Card Guy Game Online tournaments, which the requisite to do that was the tournament tickets, and those tickets, unfortunately, are kind of difficult to get it. So some players felt like they didn't have a chance. A lot of players felt like it would be a basically a ticket war, and I don't want to say players cut. One flopped, because clearly there is a lot of participation. It was a success on the role, but it was really difficult to get some players motivated to participate. Players cut too. By contrast, has the new tournament key system, which are allocated to you, like dw said, if you have participated in pokemon trading card game online in the last three months, and what those will do is every player gets x amount, that that amount being fifty for this player's Cup, and I think it's one ticket or one key per tournament and that's how you're going to qualify instead. So it gives everyone a level playing field in terms of how much one can participate in tournaments. It gives everyone a level playing field, just like you know what you're getting going in, which was not really the case with the first one, where it was very ambiguous, like what that ticket system would really amount to. Yeah, right, and I think a lot of people, and I think even myself included to an extent, kind of over analyzed the amount of work that it would take, for sure, to the Players Cup. It ended up the bar ended up being a lot lower than you...

...were I really thought. But I think the principle again still kind of remains the same as like, well, you shouldn't really have a paid a play system in that kind of way on an online thing if you don't give enough people, like, enough time to actually prepare for that. Because because surely there are some there were some people, and you look at, you know, big content creators that do a lot of, you know, tournaments or whatever it is that just kind of you know, use their tournament tickets as you go. But then you have some people that just hoard them and never playing tournaments, and obviously we're at a huge advantage. But that is all wipe the way. The slate is completely clean for this. Players come to and I couldn't be happier. Yeah, I'm definitely a lot more excited about it and I had, actually do have quite a bit of tickets myself. But even then I felt so demotivate because I thought it would be, like you said, we kind of overanalyzed how much people would be home for this and I would just be such an astronomical amount of tickets and I was just like this is absurd, like I don't even want to be a part of that. Right where's this one is much, much more clearly defined. You can go at your own pace. You don't feel like you're you're cramped down by the pressure to constantly do more and more, like you were in the First Cup. So I'm really excited to get into this one. So before we do anything, I we can just briefly go over how the the game itself, is looking. We've kind of harped on this a bunch of times now, so I don't want to spend more than a minute on IT ATPA turn. This still standing at the top. Crushing Hammer finding its way into quite a few lists now, Pokemon catcher finding its way into pretty much every 'soshtion list at this point. I mean we kind of reached the point where those two are the the monoliths of the format, the stand about everything else, and you're either playing them or playing specifically to beat them. Would you agree to me? I would a hundred percent agree. There are some other decks that kind of fit in. You look at the things like peak Ram, you look at the things like frost moth, Baby Bili Cephalon, you just sit you why there's a number of other decks that can compete, as sent to Scorge, but really, when you when you look at it, probably the bit and at least for me, like the most the highest winning percentages for my testing have very easily come with ATP and and it's hearn it is. Yeah, I mean I think they've really set themselves apart in the format and we've given our thoughts on those decks more than a handful of times. So I don't want to spend too much time talking about it. Like I said, what I'm more interested in talking about is what the approach to the Players Cup as a whole will look like, and we were kind of using about this before the cast. JW, I don't know if you have any preliminary thoughts about what your approach the players couple be like. When? When you're going to use your tickets? How are you going to approach like deck building? What what are your thoughts heading into the specifics of this event? Yeah, well, since it is in the current format, I don't believe that we will include any champions path in the duration of the Players Cup. To we have a pretty good idea of what the metagame looks like and so that should inform us when we bring our deck choices and I for me, I will always going into a big tournament, if it's a one time event like I'll always focus on like three to five decks heading into that tournament. Obviously this is a little bit more wide scale, being fifty individual tournaments, that I could change decks for everyone, but I think the whole point remains largely the same is that I've been testing, you know, very specifically like five decks and I have all those decks and kind of know the exact matchup spreads of each of those decks and so heading into the Players Cup, I'm going to know okay, I want to lead with this deck and I want to play a certain number of tournaments with you know, ATP that's that's looking to me like the just hands down the best deck in this format, and then if I find that that's not working eventually I'll switch. Now the question becomes when would be the optimal time to switch decks, and that's something we can talk about in a second. But you bring up the question when should you start? I think that's very valid. So we have a whole month to play our fifty tournaments and so should you begin, you know, and blow them all at the start? Should you space them out? Should you play everything in the middle? Should you play everything at the end? You know, should you and are all these tournaments right at the end? And I think probably the at least what I'm going to do is to gage the general interest in general level at the beginning by maybe doing, you know, a couple of tournaments a day for probably the first week, not blow all the tickets, but just kind of to a crue some data on what other people are playing and how my deck kind of fits into this this online metagame that is largely completely different than, you know, a competitive Meta game.

Right, you have to take that into account. It's like every single person that has a ptcgo account will get these codes. So the metagame is going to be even crazier than what it would be for like a regional's right. So taking you know, taking it a little bit slowly in that first week, trying to gage what everyone's playing and what kind of a general metagame is, and then really going into it in that in that early second week, Third Week and using all the tournament tickets. That's going to be my my strategy, not waiting until the end, because I think there's going to be a lot of people that do end up waiting till the end and maybe get burned because they're going to have to play against everyone else that's waiting till the end. I have a I have a sneaking feeling that the beginning of the Players Cup or that that first to second week around around there, like late first week, early second week, is going to be probably the ideal time to actually, like use most of your tournament keys. Yeah, I totally agree with you about the end being like the worst time to do it. I have a feeling, I mean just generally speaking, if you're playing at the end, you know the most on the line and like it's more of an active choice. Right like early on, you know, you could just have a tcgo account, see that you have these keys and just play and early on just because you have them, or even midway through. But if someone's like coming in towards the end, that means they know what they're trying to do and they want to get it done. So it's going to be players who are probably pretty good, but we're also too lazy to do it before, is which to me seems like a pretty large subset. I don't know if you agree. It's I think you're applying that. You do well, yeah, with your earlier statements. So I think the end will be kind of chaotic, kind of a mess. I actually think playing pretty early on will lead to a fair amount of success. I think even if a lot of good players are playing in that time, they'll be so many players that it won't really matter because the pool be so diluted. And same applies, honestly, this first couple weeks. And I don't think the metagame is like shifting anywhere. So it's not like, you know, it's not like gaining Meta game benefit from from waiting per se. Not that I'm not that I'm like counteracting a point of yours or anything. It's just a point of mine. Um. So that's kind of where I'm leaning. Is. I kind of want to just get it done with relatively soon. If me personally, I probably won't actually do that in practice. I'll probably kind of burn them slowly throughout the month just because I don't really have the time to grind them all out at once, unless I really sit down on like a Saturday sure and just do it all, which to me doesn't shround very fun either. It's right, right, but that's what I would if you're like really trying to grind in, I would say that the earlier on that better. Yeah, I think people will be less invested early on. And then do you think, Riley, it would be better to you know, sit down and dedicate, you know, one day or one evening to really grinding a lot of your tournaments out, or would you say that you would rather spread them out over, you know, a couple days or a week or two weeks? I mean, to me I would I'd rather spend them out for a couple reasons. One just because for me, time constraint is like an issue. But on a larger scale, I think burnout is like real and if you're just playing six hours straight of these TCO tournaments and you're waiting like arbitrary amounts of time between every round, I mean it would be more than six hours, I think, to blast your fifty of those a lot. So even if you're going through like eight hours of tournaments, and yeah, like a regional is comparable to that, but you know you're going to get burnt out and TCGO. Is Not the same as playing in real life and you don't have like the energy of like hanging out with your friends the whole time like you do it origional. So it's going to kind of get grating, in my opinion. And I really enjoy like playing TCD and playing tsgoh, but I know if I'm just sitting there like playing for a while, eventually I'll stop paying as much attention. That's sure. And this is something that's specific to tcg oh, because you know, I'm on my computer. I'm doing other stuff too, but that's my nation track minded when you're playing Ptcjo, know, and so I'm probably doing other stuff. Like I'm going to get less and less interested as my day goes on. Yeah, I'll be haphazardly doing what I think is appropriate, but maybe not. Isn't really like thoughtfully done. So I say to spare yourself the trouble of having to worry about that even and just take it at the pace it feels appropriate to. If I could actually make a macro recommendation to everyone listening, I would say to start early on. Burn a couple tickets a day. If you feel motivated, go for more, but like don't force yourself in Eddie Pigeonhole. Just do what feels right for you and you'll probably get your best...

...result right right now. That that's good and and ultimately, I think too we are saying that this players come too likely will be more competitive given this more equal playing ground. But there's still two hundred fifty six open slots to make kind of this this second phase of the tournament. So it should be relatively easy if you put your best foot forward throughout the duration of your you know, fifty tickets like it should be attainable for anyone that really truly wants to do it. And so don't think too hard, I mean take our recommendations and you know, ultimately we're just speculating, so it kind of doesn't really matter. If you have, you know, another take on it, then by all means you want to wait to the last second, and we've been saying don't do that. Like, by all means do that if that's what you feel is going to get you a better result. I think, to Riley, we should talk about what to do if you or how you're going to go about selecting decks, because I think there are some people that might, you know, play a tournament with a deck and then it loses in the first round and then they might immediately switch decks and then they might, you know, lose them again in the first round and then they might switch decks again, and then there might also be other people that just play one deck for the duration of their tournament tickets. They'll just play one deck for Fifty Tournament Keys. And do you have any thoughts on what makes sense and in terms of whether or not you would switch decks, and what would those reasons be for you for switching decks? There's a couple reasons I could see for me, if I could even consider myself just playing a deck I just really enjoy and I think it's set my decent and switching it to that occasionally, as opposed to just going for like Meta monolith. Generally speaking, I think you should avoid making snap judgments based on the results of individual tournaments. So you know there's always going to be a fair amount of orange going into these and Orag maybe isn't always the appropriate word, but you know you don't know who's going to come into these individual tournaments out and given hour, you don't know what decks they're going to be playing. You don't know if they're going to be like hard teching against certain decks, and so using individual or even small subsets of tournaments to inform like your overall performance is kind of a downward slope. I would say it's a slippery slope. If you have a deck that's consistent and you know works, that's going to be the real key, because there's going to be so many factors that are out of your control and these individual tournaments. So you don't want to be like, Oh, you know, my ATP deck that gets off turn to alter creation or turn one alter creation. You know, ninety percent of the time it got just completely pooped on by this random fairy attacker deck or something. Yeah, you know, don't get immediately discouraged by that. Like stay the chorus for a little bit. Make sure there's no macro meadow trends like and it's especially hard if you lose in the first round because you could lose to the person who ends up like winning the tournament and they just had a really good deck and and played really well and that's just your luck of the draw. There's no seating, you know, you just you get what you get right and then, I think particularly to in a best of one format. We're going first or second, can really make or break either deck. It's important to just keep that in mind too. Is like if you happen to go, you know, you're forced to go first, and your deck of choice that sent to scorch. You know, obviously that's not a good place to be in and you lose, you know, a few tournaments really early. Well, if you're really committed to playing, sent to Scorch, then again, give it a little bit more time to let that even out in terms of you know, where you start and how far you get in that tournament. I think for me, looking at how many tournaments it would take me for like bad results to influence my deck choice, probably be about ten. Like I am testing before I go to the tournaments. I mean that's a big point as well, like don't use the tournaments to try to figure out what's to play. Go into the tournaments knowing what you're going to play, like being confident in a deck that you think, yes, you know, this could win the Players Cup, this could win a regional you know this could do well at a real event, and then use the the tournaments as your you know, as the as the culmination of all that testing that you've done right, and so probably about ten or so tournaments I would give myself before I would consider switching decks, and I think, I don't know, maybe you have some thoughts on that, but I think that that's a probably a good threshold. Like twenty percent of the of the tournament goes by or, you know, twenty percent of your tickets are gone, I think that's probably a good time to stop and reflect on how you've done, either with the deck, you know, reflecting whether or not the skill level is appropriate for...

...you and whether or not, you know, you should consider switching to a deck that maybe is better against what you've been seeing. Yeah, I would say somewhere in the like five to ten range is about right. It's hard to say, because if you lose round one you miss out on a lot of insight about how the rest of the tournament looked. But let's say, I mean let's say even you're making it to the finals of all these tournaments, and so you've seen three rounds of all these tournaments and you know, your five tournaments in and you notice like consistent trends in terms of how the decks should are looking or built you know, you might not switch decks, but you might change like a couple cards and be like, okay, you know, there's clearly a lot of this deck, so I'm going to play wait and see hammer or something. You know, be thought at the same time, like be rigid and confident in your decisions, but also be thoughtful about what that decision is and like why it should evolved. You know, it's a definitely a balancing act. You got to you got to be spinning these different plates and whenever one starts the tumble, you got to, you know, start spinning it again. You know, right, right, ultimately, ultimately, I think, Riley, there's no silver bullet that we can give to any listener, you know, but you're always free to, you know, message me if you have questions on how your performance has been going. I mean, I'm always an open book to try to give any amount of advice that I can if you're really struggling with a certain problem or certain deck or something like that. But ultimately, be confident in the decks that you've tested heading into the tournament. I think that's just the biggest piece of advice, because I think there are a lot of players out there that I know that are going to be discouraged. Maybe they yeah like losing the first round, but their deck is very capable of carrying them to the Players Cup. But they lose in the first round of like the first two tournaments and then they're looking to immediately like switch up their whole list, you know, tech it out for certain things that just don't make sense, or or just change the deck entirely, and I don't think that's really the way to go. I think you should trust your intuition, trust your testing and give each deck, or at least give your first deck, the fair shake that it needs to produce good results. Just definitely don't tech for mad party. When you see rally you're definitely going to try to qualify with mad party on. I think I could do it all right. That's a challenge. That it is. That actually leads me into another question, though, and this is something that my last thing I want to do with the players got. Yeah, so last players cut. People thought the point threshold be really high. It clearly wasn't. Obviously there's more level set playing gund I imagine they'll be like more universe will participation. Do you have any idea what that threshold will look like. Do you think it will ex I think obviously it'll be higher than before. Do you think it'll be significantly higher? Do you think it will be, you know, a small percent increase? I mean, it's hard to say. I have to imagine that it'll be significantly higher, but it's I mean it's tough to give an estimate. I think we'll probably see, you know, within the first week, like if we can extrapolate a little bit better. I decide. Feel like the first week will be so hard. I feel like so many people will be you know, they'll be on Monday and the last week and they're like, crap, I don't know, man. It's really tough because we haven't seen anything like this before. So, like trying to make an informed opinion about this is really hard. But I think, you know, there will be probably a bell curve right of participation levels. So you'll probably have a lot of people at the beginning, a lot of people at the end and it'll probably dip slightly in terms of participation. But I think you're still should be able to extrapolate from that and from the postings on the site kind of a week by week how many points like you should be at to qualify in those top two fifty six. Yeah, it's I definitely think it'll be messy as you get like towards the bottom of that right. It'll be close, I think. And the reason I ask is because what I've well, we found the first players cup was people who honestly, probably might not have even been trying to make it ended up making it because so many people would like give it up so early. Yeah, and I'm curious if you think a similar thing will happen. I don't know about that. I think just being able to have that again level playing field is very, very important and should yield some pretty interesting results in the sense of how many people will continue to play. Like it would be interesting to see that kind of data on how many people use all of their tickets and how many people that you know played during this week, you know how well they did. That would be really and people that played, I know, because the kind of data we won't get right, of course, and I mean I don't even know that it's like on pokemons and like if...

...they even have a tracker for that kind of stuff, but it just be interesting. I would love to see that kind of stuff too. Yeah, because then, I mean, you think about it too, Players Cup to is you know, there's a thought that there will be more in the future. It's a wide yeah, yeah, we're not seeing kind of a slowdown in corona that we maybe could hope for. And so, you know, for the indefinite future the game will likely be online. So you know, this will be a good litmus test for this online tournament format and being able to, yeah, try to track how it goes from this tournament will be huge to inform, you know, potential future tournaments. Agreed. Agreed. I'm excited to see it on full, that's for sure. Maybe you can expect us to give us the lowdown as far as how we're doing, as well as tips and tricks for you all. As the player's Cup two progresses. Moving on now we have our card of the week, presented by JW This Week, Sat jaw, you got me all hyped up what you got cooked up for us. Did I get you hyped up for it now? But I got hyped because that you had mentioned that you had already picked it up. Yes, yes, well, I I am a huge fan of this, this card, not necessarily this Pokemon to lucky. I know. No, no, I mean I like the POKEMON. It's not. It's not the the best pokemon ever. Okay, anyway, but I love this card for a lot of different reasons. But my card to the week for this week is a prime. Okay, it is the I mean I don't even know if it's arguable. It's the like best prime in terms of consistency and power. I know what it is now. It's an electric type. Yeah, it got one eyeball. That is magnazone prime. I love magazone prime with its POKA power, magnetic draw, drawn till you have six cards in your hand. And so this was the era, you know, when her gold soul silver came out. This was right after we had a format that was pretty it had clayd all pretty entrenched in the format and deck construction. Yeah, and so you go from clay to all, which is a stronger power. Right, you put two on the bottom of your deck and draw up to six. But magnetic draw kind of filled that void that we had went by losing clayde all. Being able to draw UN till you had six in your hand was just awesome because you were able to you know, I mean that's that's just a great ability. So and then it also had a bliss CEPHALON GX type attack. For those of you that that weren't around back in the heartcold, soul silver era, magdazone also had a loss purn attack. Put as many cards attached to your Pokemon as you like in the law zone and it does fifty times the number of energy in the law zone. So I mean you look at like like, let's just comparable Cephalon and Magnusone, like Matt Blows, Cephalon came out what six years later, something like that, and still had that same damage potential that magna zone did back in the early two thousand and ten S, and that's just crazy to me to think that. You know, the attack is essentially exactly the same. Yeah, well, the only difference being the the counts, the cost, you know, cost one lightning a one colorless on magna zone to I so it's tax actually better. We'll CEPHALON. What's that? I guess it's tax actually slightly better because they can get any energy off any POKEMON. That's true. That's true. It doesn't have to just be fires, and that was a big thing when magazone was around because you could play things like rescue energy. You could play magnazone with with fire cards. There was a type Flosian that you could get things back with. There was mbore when black a white set came out. There were a lot of ways to play magna zone. That wasn't just you know, it wasn't a one track mind kind of deck and I actually got my first regionals top eight with magnazone. In my second tournament ever, I played Magna Zone just and again speaking to the power of the card, I played magna zone with vile plume because I thought I thought, you know what, this was my deck theory at the time. I was like, okay, what's like the best card in the format. Why don't I put it with the second best card in the form and like make this wacky deck? And so I did that and I really did believe back then magnazone was the best card in the format. You had this insane draw potential. That was really the main reason for playing it. But then it was also a sweeper of sorts. You know, in the late game you could start hitting those huge numbers if you really needed to take out a threat on the opponent's side of the board. Yeah, and then yet you had vile plume, which of course just locks everything down. So that was a really cool deck that I had created, that I invented. That like got me way farther than I should have gone, but was super hilarious and it just always makes me remember magnazone super finely. Yeah, Magnus zone prime is...

...one of my favorite cards to and it was before even started playing. It was just such a cool card. I actually have the magnet wore world's deck, the MBORE magnusone prime. Yeah, sure, Ram and it played Deox strick ways a Leegens as well. That was so broken. That card is so broken. Yeah, that that was the original att evenbody really like played it that much, though, was the thing. That card was so good. Yeah, that wasn't even really like that popular back then, like it was popular enough to, you know, win world, but it wasn't like it was, you know, it wasn't like ATP is now, you know, just everywhere. It was pretty kind of unusual, I guess. At the well, the thing is it's like yes, it can take the extra prize and for the uninformed, Requaiz indiox is legend or is the ex strictly. I think it's Jackson Queza. It will take an extra prize with its ability. It does one hundred and fifty damage, so it will back up body. It's body body. Yeah, buddy, it will knock out pretty much anything in front of it. It does either one hundred forty one hundred and fifty and it sot'll take an extra prize card this side. The downside, though, is that magnazone can just Kao it back with three energy and then it takes an additional prize card for K oing a legend. So it's a little awkward. Yeah, that's like my favorite deck to solitaire. Whenever I'm like cooking food or something, I get on my magnet war deck and just solitaire it because it's so fun. You just see draw the cards, you lost her the stuff, you know. I mean it's it really is amazing how verstal that that card was. You've played with mbor played with Tai Floshan. You can play with King Draw, you could play it with Yon Mega, you could play it with vile plume. It was just the perfect card because it had and it's a synergy that we haven't seen a long time and fireflying, fire brings it up in the chat. Just this great draw ability with a very, very reasonable and powerful attack. That's you know, it's good. I don't necessarily think that it's overpowered. You know, it does a lot of damage. You get the get rid of the energy forever. So I think there is some balance to that. But yeah, very rarely would you get all six with just magnism. Right, right, just an an amazing card. I love it so much. Yeah, I mean for the more modern player is is still like a little bit date of an example, relatively speaking, but imagine if octillery had knuckle impact, you know, like that's that's what we're working with you. Yeah, right, or I'd be like IFS ations ability didn't end your turn, you know, like yeah, honestly, honestly, yeah, yeah, so, so fun go. Well, thank you for Shanity. W I love the heart goals all Silver Eric Cards, Super Fund. They're awesome. They're despite being some of the uglier like secret rares or rares. So I guess with the prime kind of that close up view, I think it brought a lot of interesting stuff to the table. The definitely did. So let's jump into our last topic for the day before questions and that is the upcoming set released on this Friday, champions path. So, for the uninformed chantion, Champions Path is the quote Unquote Bonas set for the year. Every year pokemon will do like an additional set. Around this time we had hidden fates, we had shining legends, and champions path is a new a s iteration of that. We got a couple new cards, some reprince old cards, the shiny chars ards and va and Rainbow Chars rvmax for the collectors out there. And overall, it said, it's a fun little rock in the POKEMON trading card game world. JW. Is there anything you're especially excited for champions path? Um, I think the chars are. It's both look beautiful. I just want to say that, like I the older I get, the more I understand collecting. I used to not be that into collecting and then recently I've just there have just been cards. I showed you earlier today. I bought the lenticular Deoxys from a few episodes ago. I was like it just it was a card that, you know, they came on sale and I was like it just seems, you know, really nice and I don't often do that kind of stuff in terms of buying cards. But I understand now why people do it, because the shiny chars are just looks amazing in a set and like the rainbow rare vmax like looks so good. And then there's another card coming out soon, the Pikachu v Max Look I love and I love that. Yeah, I'm getting them and so I'm like really digging the art that they're coming out with. You're recently and I can understand that. You know, people just want to get their hands on those chars arts. They look awesome. I will say, for all the Times I've ragged on v Max has, they'd have really nice art as on the whole, like all the v Max's look super cool. Yeah, so I can't hate them for that. Are...

...there any of the new cards that you think might have a splash the guard of our the dreadnaught? Yeah, we are agreeing a little bit. Yeah, we were talking a little bit about those. I do like the dreadnought. I think it probably goes into an ATP style deck, just replacing zastion. It has a little bit more health, which would be the reason you would want to play it over as option. You know, in the mirror match as option can just get, you know, one shot in return by an opposing saption. So but potentially dreadnought. Gives you a little bit more stability for like a mirror match. Guardivore seems fine, like, seems good. I'm interested, for sure, but really, I mean, you're collector, I think, if you're buying this set in bulk. For sure. Yeah, I I tend to agree. I don't think there's any car that really sticks out and the set, honestly, the card that sticks out the most of me it is that like mysterious can or whatever, the like, the one that heals. I was like, yeah, the fact as a secret airs is so funny to me that I kind of just want one. Yeah, for sure, it's like one of the funniest cards. It's like what it's there's some specific name. What's it called? It's not like stinky tin can, but it's like something just like really disgusting. Yeah, it's got like an awful name. Yeah, yeah, and I think it's so funny. I think the art on it is very funny. I think the fact it has their secret air is extra funny, because I kind of just want one of those. Yeah, it's like suspicious can maybe suspicious. How are you looking it up? I'm trying. Yeah, so I had folking each up earlier. I should have should have kept it open. That's okay. Well, looking, I'm looking. Yeah, so it's strange canned food, strange can't food. That's so yeah, that's better than anything I would have ever thought of. That's so good. That is so good. That's definitely my favorite card in the set and honestly that was like close ish to being playable. Sure, sure, more than the some of the others. Sure, yeah, I mean. I mean there are a few other interesting things. You know. Obviously all the V's are going to be somewhat viable in the sense that they just have enough health to like potentially survive enough turn to win a game. But yeah, I mean it it's an interesting little set that that certainly won't make that much of a splash competitively. I think there's a lot of things that you don't need in terms of competitive play. But I think one thing that we do need to talk about that's a little item that is in the set is the Rodom phone. Look at the top five cards and choose one card you find there and then put it on top of your deck. So that's a little consistency boost card that could be pretty interesting. Yeah, it's kind of cool if you play like your anger in your deck, kind of a my cargo type Combo where you you draw like the top the card that you choose right. It's it works fast and cards that are probably like jam packed with consistency. Rand, you know, you play a road of phone, use anger to draw hopefully one of your high count items or our cards. That's really easy to find. Yeah, I do kind of like the card. I don't know if it'll see an extreme amount of play, but I think it has potential. I mean it. Yeah, I kind of remember reminds me of trainer's Mail and something that we've been missing in this format specifically is that item based consistency. We lost acrobike. Yeah, I was just about to say we have other cards and so that, to me is a way to introduce a little bit more item based Straw. Another card that I've seen some players really talk about, especially at the beginning of this format when players were discussing decidu. I was that, well, maybe, you know, there would be a card in the future that is a little bit better in Altaria, having that same kind of ability that Decidu I has, where it can't be damaged by pokemon be or POKEMON G X, and the difference there is that it's a stage one, as posed SIDUA being a stage too, and so maybe there's a little bit more viability with the wall esque strategy. You look at certain decks, like hit and run decks like a Gredient, for example. You know not that Gredent saw any play in this format, but you also have to think like the difficulty in setting up a Decidu I was certainly one of the hindrances to a deck like gredent being successful, and so you look to add just a few more walls like that. It's something that I welcome. I think that's a good thing for the game. We've seen Decidu I do pretty well, all things considered, in this current format, and so I welcome, you know, an easier decidu I like, a way to get out something that has that same ability that's been super strong in this format and just being able to get it out a little bit more consistently. Yeah, to wait for the...

HOOPA and wait for the Hoopah. Yeah, the the the basic with the same yeah, ability. Right, that'll come towards the end of the block, though. Right, yeah, right, right, yeah, I, I. I think they'll tarry. Is Cool. Definitely easier to splash into decks than DECIDUA. Yes, I mean that's goes without saying. Right, yeah, no doubt. I think it's still as the problem where there are certain decks that wall strategies are still ill equipped to be, namely thinking of stuff like sent to scorge or ATP with one prizers, sure, but still cool. I want to see more alternative strategies rise up over the course of this metagame and I think as cards are injected into it through the seth that are coming out, include champions path, that will become more and more of a thing. Any other champions path cards catch your eye? Nothing that I particularly like. Those are the cards that I was either really excited a boy myself, or have heard about that I think have some amount of viability. Cool. So let's just jump right in, then, to viewer questions. So if you do have a question and you're watching live on twitch, feel free to drop it in the chat. Will answer a couple more before we hop offer today. As always, we appreciate your viewership and listenership. If you're listening on Itunes, feel free to leave a review. It helps us out a lot and we'll get right into the questions now. So mirrored of asking about the altarian champions path. Yep, there's an Altaria at like we said, has a very similar ability to disadvise, only different in name, where it is safe from POKEMON V and gx. So cower and were ATPE. What's that? Cower and fear at x that don't play the there out. If they do play the dre out on the that's unlucky. Yeah, I mean we're looking at, you know, champions path coming out in a couple days and then we also have vivid voltage coming out here in what the December or November said. So yeah, a few new sets. I I haven't really seen too much from vivid voltage that I am geeked about. That should, you know, flip the format on a ted by any means, but still, you know, new cards, more cards always nice, always nice to have. Yeah, apparently they're doing it. Twenty five anniversary set to in fifth and February on Pokemon Day. Some serious with that will be yeah, exactly yeah, I I can't I can't wait. I really enjoyed, you know, when they had evolutions come out. That was the what twenty anniversary? The evolutions and generations and all. They both came in and then, you know, they had some more products, like the during the fifteen anniversary they had like a Pikachu product. Or was that also twenty anniversary? Do you remember the Silver Pikachu? The Silver Pikachu was fifteen. Yeah, those fifteen, okay, and then you know, they've just had different little special things that are absolutely amazing. I have loved all the kind of promotional items that they've done for the anniversary. So really excited to see what they have in store for us here with the twenty five. I just hope there's a cool Pika Chew Guard. That Pikachu v Looks Insane. Bro. I love Pikachu v Max Man. He is here to be met the but he looks great also. I know they've both like good, but the vvacs is just so big. Yeah, for sure, for sure. We also have a question here from Ryan. How do you feel about the Players Cup changes? Are you planning to participate? I think the changes, if I had a grade them on like a five out of five star scale. I would say five. I mean it was exactly what we needed in terms of, you know, everyone being equal and everyone playing at the same level. The tournament keys. Great idea, perfect execution, I think, being able to give every single person fifty and that's there. You know, a lot of amount. I think it's going to work out really well. Terms of our we planning to participate? We definitely are. I cannot wait to for potentially stream some of the Players Cup. I probably won't do all of it, like I'll probably do most of my players Cup participation just on my own off stream, but yeah, I'm stoked to participate. I can't wait too. Can't wait to compete. Sounds like you're afraid of street and CIPHERS, man. Yeah, Dude, I'm so afraid of stream snipers brow. Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to it too, but nobody's allowed to play mad party counters on ladder or on the tear guns while I'm doing it. Yeah, yeah, you heard it here. Nobody can play against Riley. At least you can't play ATP let's see, mirred off with the rise of non vgx decks recently, like Mad Party in Harro Pot, do you think these...

...decks actually have a chance the matter? Are they currently just here to as is? They're pretty much capped at tier two or lower because ATP just beat thumb so consistently. Yeah, I mean even and the thing is like the decks like that always will sacrifice some amount of consistency to the two prize and onwards decks. So stuff like a turn of this, even though in theory it should have rough matchups against these one prize decks that can one to two hit Koh at turn it is. It doesn't always end up that way because they are just so consistent and we'll do the same thing they want every single game, or close to everything. Well put. Well, great, Riley. I think that will conclude our episode for this week. It's been another good one. Good APP good at Man. Yeah, well, thank you so much to everyone who watched. Again, thank you to a Zul for the raid as we got towards the end of the stream here, and stick around if you're watching live and you'll get see JW streams of Pope. Thank you again for watching, guys. Will Talk to you soon.

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