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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 20 · 1 year ago

2-20. Empathy in Pokemon

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys sit down to discuss the recent developments in the Pokemon community. At Tag Team we stand for inclusivity for all.

Up, everybody. Welcome back totag team, the POKEMON trading card games for a mere podcasting duo. Myname is Riley Hulbert, joined again by my good friend JW Curry. WallJw, you just came back from your anniversary trip. How you doing,man, I am feeling refreshed and excited. I have not felt this good ina long time. I was just talking to Riley before the cast abouthow I don't really think for better for worse. I don't really think aboutmy mental health and then I come back from a trip like that and justlike it was a great trip and it was a lot of fun and likemy wife and I had a great time. We met up with a lot ofreally interesting people and we had a lot of good food and we relaxedand just everything about it was, you know, really low stress, exceptfor the time we got lost in the woods, but I won't go intodetail about that. But other than that it was just scary. If Iwould freak out. Well, my wife is very adventurous and that's like thatI love about her, but I can also get us into trouble, andso she wanted to take this alternate path and I was like no, weshould stay on the path that we were on. I we know that itjust goes in a loop, but she's like no, we gotta go onthis alternate path, and so we go down the path and we all ofa sudden find that were we have no idea where we are. We've beenwalking for like two hours, no clue where we are, and we lookit up on our phones. We're looking up a map and Tennessee of thepark and it's like showing us that were on the other side, but weswear that we didn't pass this marker and so we're all turned around and we'relike asking people where do we go and where are we and nobody knows.And Anyway, we had to use Google maps to bail us out, whichit did, and so we're very thankful. But it would little bit tense therebecause I was like we should have stayed on the on the original path, but it was broad. At least you didn't get like kidnapped by awitch or something. I don't know, at least we didn't. Yeah,thank goodness that didn't happen. Yeah, anything else exciting going on? Well, just revamping the youtube stuff. been putting out something new every single day. There's been a lot to talk about just with the trainer tool kit andI just recorded this week's discord tournament for upload onto the Youtube and I'm prettyexcited about that. And Yeah, I just say I'm really enjoying kind ofthe new stuff that that I'm able to do with constant creation right now.POKEMON. That's awesome, man. Yeah, it's a great time to branch outand explore and pick things out, for sure. Now, how aboutyou know what this tournaments? What's I heard? You had a really interestingday today. I don't know if it was interesting day. I've had ain general. I've been really stressful lately, successfully life lately, I guess.Yeah, so today I came home and I just kind of I atea bunch of food and just kind of vegged out, which is yeah,that's a great way to like cap off a stressful day is just to chillout in your apartment. And so I got like a little blanket Kut cucoonand lie down just intended to take a nap and I fell asleep and asalso trying to coordinate with a CO worker who lives in my apartment, likewe're driving to work together. Tomorrow. So I was accordinating that. Andthen I wake up and I feel incredibly rested, like way more rested thanI have any right to feel, and I'm like this is odd and saidI look at my phone and we were plant and severer context. We wereplanning to leave for work at seven am. Okay. So I look at myphone and it's hundred and forty five. Well, my Gosh, which waslike not very long after I got into bed. Yeah, I Ididn't even think about the fact it could possibly still be today because I wasso arrested. Right. I look at seventy forty five, I'm like,Holy Crap, immediately take the person.

I'm like, Oh my God,I'm sorry in the worst like like I totally like miss the ball there.Yeah, and I'm like I'm getting shower of feeding my cats, like Istill haven't checked and see that it's still like yeah, the Wednesday, notthe third. Yeah, and so, oh my gosh, I saw wentthrough my whole morning routine and I got ready and like this just isn't right, like well, wh why didn't nobody like text to me that it's Thursdayor something? How did you not know, though, like couldn't you see outsideor whatever? Like I mean not really, though, because like atseven am it would still be kind of like this, or it's like alittle you know, there's not a ton of song, but they're still alittle bit and this level of sunlight from like thirty am and pm are kindof similar. Yeah. So, yeah, and like I've had times where Igot mixed up on my days before, but not ones where I like wentthrough this extent of like my morning routine. That's ridiculous, Dude.So you like ate all your eggs or whatever you have for breakfast and likegot your whole bag together or whatever. You take the work and stuff likethat's crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's why I'm like in a tank topright now because, like, I for the viewers like you tube and twitch, because I was like I took a shower and I'm like what am Idoing? That's what I realized. I literally I got out of the shower, what across my apartment to get my phone and looked at it like thisis this says Wednesday on it. So I text the person. Didn't likewait, ignore this previous couple messages about me missing the ball. I'm justapparently just very stupid. Yeah, they must have thought you like took partin a recreational activity a little bit too much that night. Only I justfeel sleep. But it happens, and the problem is when you take napslike that, it's so hard to sleep that same night. So hopefully actuallysleep. Yeah, yeah, no, kidding, no kidding, I havebeen. For some reason, the last three nights have been really bad sleepfor me. We just got blackout curtains, which makes the room, I meanobviously way darker, but for some reason they've been like throwing me off. We're like I'll wake up at nine, which is later than I normally sleep, but I'll feel less rested. So I don't know, it's yeah, it's pretty crazy. I don't know. Sleeping right now for me it's justit's whack. Yeah, but I haven't had an experience like that ever. I don't think that's pretty wild. I have experiences similar to that allthe time, but they're just the level of effort that way into that onewas insane. Yeah, but shifting gears a little bit away from sleeping,although that is a favorite topic your mine. We wanted to talk about some ofthe things that are going on at Pokemon. So we have a coupleitems on the agenda for today. The first one is going to be alittle bit more serious, though, so kind of slowering our roll a littlebit from joking about sleeping. You wanted to talk about the recent sort ofmovement of survivors of sexual assault and harassment coming forward with their experiences, particularlyin gaming communities. We seen several pokemon players share their experiences, both inthe video game side of things and in the trading card game, and there'sbeen some other relevant experiences that are come up. I don't want to nameall the specifics of it. I'll kind of leave that to you. What, ultimately, I don't want to do is speak too much on something thatyou know I'm not fully qualified to speak on or, like, speak onbehalf of someone else. Right. That...

...being said, tag team has alwaysbeen firm and its stance on supporting women and other minorities in our community,and so the continual message that we want to give off is that we supportyou, we support your stands, we support coming forward with the experiences thatyou have. Ultimately, not only is coming forward super meaningful because we cansee that experience, but it also empowers other people to do the same rightand right. That is incredibly valuable and as someone who has firsthand seen theeffects of those kind of things, I cannot commend enough the courage of peoplewho speak up about those kind of things. Yeah, I mean it's definitely beengood, good, not I don't want to say good, that's thewrong word, but it's been impactful on me to hear these stories, notjust in our community but in others, like you mentioned, and just sayingthat, you know, this stuff is very prevalent and you know, andit might not be something that I see and it might not be something thatI have firsthand, you know, experience with, but it's something that's stillaround. Sexual assault assault is still something that occurs and until it's like completelyeradicated and until everyone's mind is right, you know, we're always going tobe dealing with this issue and so just being as vigilant as we can be, listening to the women and their store and the men and their stories andjust being hyper aware that this is not something that we just kind of,you know, snap our fingers and our kind of done with, or likewe bring to the light once and it's over with. You know, wehave to remain very vigilant over the course of time, and I think youknow I can speak for you and saying that, you know, if Ican contribute to a more positive environment for anyone in this community like I'm goingto do that and I want to do that right and so, ultimately,you know, and JW and I, time and time again when topics likethese come up, we try to actively acknowledge the fact that we are ina position of incredible privilege as you white males, and so we don't.Again, we're not trying to step on anyone's toes here. What what ultimatelyI want to give off as a message is a couple of things. First, you know, whether you're a man or a woman, or you fallsomewhere in between or you don't identify with that spectrum at all, you shouldbe listening to and bolstering the voices of people who go through these experiences.And that's also not to say that expect those experiences are limited to, youknow, not being a man. Certainly men can go through similar susies anddo quite often as well. So the first step of that is listening andbeing engaged in the people who can through these experiences. It's really easy towrite things off because you've but I've noticed a lot in these gaming communities asyou form, you call it like pair of social relationships with people, whereasyou might meet someone in a tournament once and they're incredibly nice, or yousee their online presence and you form an opinion about them. Ultimately that's nota substitute for actually knowing the person. And even if you do actually knowthe person, if every single person who did a shady thing acted like ashady sleeves ball in real life, that we wouldn't have this problem, becausebe able to point them out right away. Sure, right, and so like. There's so the first step of that is being willing to accept thatthings happen and people aren't always how they appear and that's just the nature oflife, and that's especially a thing in these online communities that informed the secondthing is to continue to elevate those voices. So not only so once you startedlistening to those people, start advocating for them. Jw and I.We did an episode on women and in the trading card game a while backwith Aaron Palmer. She gave some awesome...

...insight into the women experience and Ireally really recommend that you listen to episode of still one of my favorites.But the key to that, though, is that we have to not onlytake our position of privilege and use it to listen, we have to useit to take action. So be that highlighting female players in your community orforming genuine friendships with them that aren't based around, you know, sexual interest. Sure it really could be simple things that go a long way, andshowing that that people are welcome in our communities is huge. Yeah, likeit's not. It doesn't happen enough. Absolutely, and I think you know, with everyone, were all on this kind of journey of continual renewal andand progress, and so the past is you know, you are always tryingto be better, and so just that extends to people that are advocates andlike, if you feel like you haven't advocated enough in the past, likewell, you can, you know, start now, like you can bedifferent, you can be better than you were, and so, yeah,just hitting the nail on the head Riley, with with advocating for women and advocatingfor those that have been put in these terrible positions is huge, right, and this extends, you know, beyond just women in their experiences andgaming. It extends to Real Life, it extends to other minority groups.What I think has happened recently is gaming as a cross sectional community of LikeSociety, has ultimately, I don't want to save in like hateful, buthas read a lot of toxicity and I don't know if that's the nature ofof gamers itself. I don't really think so, but I think, yeah, I think the nature of these Onlin communities that we engage ourselves in hasread some toxic environments and we have to really be reflecting on what we're postingand staying online and how we're engaging with people who are different. Yeah,yeah, and I think it is right you're saying like this online more sothan just gaming in general, but gamings medium is the Internet. So yeah, I would agree with them exactly. So hopefully you can find some valuableinsight in what we're talking about here, and I'll keep driving this home,like I don't want to speak for anyone on their behalf. And so thereare tons of awesome women you can follow in the POKEMON trading card game.I'll leave some of their links in our description for this week's. That wayyou can check them out. But even beyond that, it can be assimple. They don't have to have a twitter, they don't have to beactive on facebook. It can be as simple as just being nice to thewomen who go to your league or encouraging people who to go to your league. Obviously that's a little different with the current space, so the nineteen andall that, but you understand, like the point that I'm driving home isthat just being a good person is theoretically easy. You just have to takethat that first step and and being an actively good person and not just apassively good person. Sure, sigre. So hopefully you found some meeting inthat. We won't harp on it too much in the context of like whowe are and what we represent. But Yeah, tag team is always stoodwith the be oppressed, in the minorities, and that's something that we've been that'sbeen foundational we all. We've continually tried to speak to these issues,we've continually tried to bolst those voices and we stand with and for those peoplefrom here and forever on. So shifting gears, though. I also Aaronleft an awesome message and chat and so I'm just going to call that outfor the listeners. She says something I think a lot of people need tobe arove is that action isn't exactly a me it. A lot of peoplewould ask me how to be a better alley and it's more of an overtimesituation, and I think that's exactly the...

...kind of point that we're trying todrive home, right, is that take those take those steps right. It'snot something you can immediately do and change the face of the earth on.Sure, sure, although I will say that there are do come these pointswhere you have an opportunity to you know, there is a point in time thatyou have that opportunity to step in and to make that change. Imean, I've been through times where I've I've had to step in on behalfof someone or, you know, regrettably I haven't stepped in when I shouldhave. And you know, that's just just stories from from my past,you know, and that's just just who I am. And so there arethose points in time that you can look back at and kind of mentally prepareyourself for doing that in the future, for being the one that steps upand says, Hey, this is wrong, or hey, you shouldn't talk tothat person like that, or hey, this is really, you know,toxic behavior, or whatever it may be. Yes, it is anovertime thing and I think if you cultivate those habits of, you know,being a good person, then over time, like you will like be that advocatein those pressure situations. Right. And I think another important point,and I know I said that we're potentially going to move on, but Ithink there's a lot of good stuff that we can talk about. So,like, I know other point adding on to that is a lot of communities, not just gaming, but in a lot of communities there's a lot ofreally toxic like jokes. You know that in jokes that might happen in smallercommunities that become larger jokes. And one thing I will continually say that Ihave seen happen is that the rhetoric you use amongst like your small groups offriends or when you're joking, ultimately that bleeds into how you actually think aboutthings. So if you're saying like horrible things to women, are not callingpeople out when they do say those things, even if it's just in a smallgroup chat with your friends? Ultimately even if you don't mean it atthe time. That is something that will embed itself into your thinking and yourthought processes. And so being willing to step back and call people out whenthey say things that are wrong. And this extends, you know, beyondwomen, extends beyond minorities and Black People. It extends into just every every facetof living when you see people saying wrong things, instead of just joiningin or accepting it or saying, Oh, you know, that's jw says crazystuff all the time, like I want to use me here, butI don't. You know, you have to you have to be willing tostep in and take that and take that step to to do the right thing. Sure, sure, yeah, you know, happing back to before beingbetter is an active process. It's not something that will happen and be reallyyeah, yeah, and that actually Harkens back to the story that my dadalways like told us growing up, and he said he is talking to yourfriend of his who was a minority, and she said to him, youknow, he was asking like well, how how do I handle kind oflike just like race relations, and how can I be a better ally andhow can I, you know, do these things to better the minority communitiesthat I'm in. And she's like, well, have you ever, youknow, have your overtold a racist joke? And he said, well, no, I've never told a racist joke. And then she asked him, well, have you laughed at a racist joke? And I think that goesback to you know what you're saying, like just the way that you are. You know, the way that you act in the small will dictate theway that you act in the big and so, you know, sure,he may have never told a racist joke, but he may have laughed at one, and that is still, I kind of perpetuating this system. Exactly. Don't so. And that's not to say like we're all going to screwup. You know, we're all going to do these things at times likeI think there is a lot of room...

...for grace in these situations. Butif we can speak to anything, it's just a continual process of progress andrenewal and and pushing forward. Absolutely me. So largely I think this is whatwe this is what we want to be the focal point of this episode. We do want to talk about a couple other more pokemon adjacent things,but if you take any anything away from this episode, it's that tag teamstands with the women who have come forward with their experiences and we hope tonot only listen, listen to your stories and take that into actionable tasks,but also to continually improve our community and and we hope that all of you, our listeners, will take those same steps. Absolutely. Looking at theother going on at the moment, I think the biggest main event is thePlayers Cup, has been finalized at long last. Yes, so we're lookingat the top two hundred players from Na have been decided and ultimately I thinkthe Players Cup was surprisingly easy to qualify for. Yeah, I think wealways overestimate the amount of competitive players that there are. Yeah, well,you know, it's and it's a little more nebulous in the online space.Yeah, and I have some theories as to what happened exactly, but Iremember distinctly early on I was talking with my friends on discord. We you'replaying just some other video games, and our friend Brady Buttner, he wassaying, you know, if you don't have like sixty eight hundred tickets,it's not even worth trying, and I'm like wow, so I had likefive hundred. Should I should I bother. And then then you look at thefinal. I think you we were talking before. I I don't havethe sheet open right now, but you said it was somewhere in the ballparkof like eighty a turnament. Yeah, like that's right more and so it'sright. You know that you could get that in ten tournaments, right,right, you know, like it didn't ended up not taking a ton.But I mean you think back, you know, month ago and a lotof players are just really sour. I think just generally speaking, the communityas a whole. You know, there are certainly a lot of people thatlike grinded their way in and did a lot of hard work to get there, but the community at all as a whole was a little bit disappointed atthe way that it was brought to us. There just could have been some veryobvious tweaks to make it that much more accessible. But at the endof the day, I think that hurt a lot of players because there werea lot of voices kind of coming in and saying hey, this, youknow, maybe could have been changed. There are a lot of things thatcould be done. Like we don't want to participate in and if this isgoing to be the system. And then it ended up not really being abig deal, partially, I think, due to you know and US andfluted right, we were kind of ragging on the system. But it endedup not being a big deal to have the amount of tickets that we thoughtyou were going to need, just for a number of reasons, like thecommunity just was sour on it and maybe didn't participate as kind of a virtueright. They didn't want to see this kind of pay to play type systemthat was advocated for, and some people just were like, Hey, I'mnot going to even bother with it because it seems like it's going to betoo much work. And then we had a little bit of a fiasco withthe whole tournament rap being reported, and I think that for me, waslike a really big annoyance if I couldn't even calculate like halfway through what theend was supposed to look like. You know, if I'm knowing halfway through, okay, I can calculate. Okay,...

I need to do this, thisthis, but it was impossible to know that halfway through because the repwasn't updating correctly. So there are a number of factors going into this andI think it's very interesting to talk about. Yeah, I think I agree witha lot of those factors that you stated. People seemed turned off,and I think part of that was, you know, we're talking about needeight hundred tickets. People are like, Oh, I only have two hundred. What am I supposed to do? I can't do this thing, sowhy bother? And so, yeah, I'm like that just didn't even bother. And then he had other people who are actively taking a stand thing.You know, I don't like this system, I don't want to be a partof it or support it in any way, and so they opted forlike the opposite route where, instead of just being demotivated, they are incrediblymotivated, but their motivation was to not play right right. And then youhad like another school of people who just weren't interested and never would have beenin the first place. Sure, I think. I think you called outsome good points as well, like the leader board was a huge flaw andthe fact that you couldn't act accurately track where you were until close to closeto the end when they started doing that daily pdf or whatever. Yeah,yeah, up until then there's really no way that you were supposed to knowbecause it was just so inaccurately reported. So I think moving forward, buteven before you make any structural changes, like if you were going to dothis exact same thing again, the number one priority in my mind is gettingan accurate leader board. Yeah, and a dynamic one when that updates frequently, and maybe that's and even better would be if it was in the client. You see right, right. Yeah, you click on the TAB and itbrings your rank up or something amongst that your peers, and we justupdating real time, like right, if it lived there and the client insteadof I'm pretty sure what it's doing is it's using an API to just pulla continuously on like an interval from from the client instead of just being inthere. I think if it was just built into the client and then theAPI just actually pulled the data, that would probably be better, but Idon't know actually how. It's just like structured, but that's pretty test yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, long story short, like in myestimation, like the Players Cup worked, but I think like it worked inthe sense that the people that wanted to get in, I think, largelygot in. But I still don't think that that's indicative of a good system, right. Yeah, and so, you know, ultimately, just beforewe get to say it worked, we have to we have to look atthe the final tournament as well. Yeah, you know, this isn't the end, like there's still a tournament. That's that's true. That's true,and so I'm cure. I'm very curious to see, you know, evenoutside of like a metagame standpoint, like how people approached this and what exactlythey want to do. Yeah, I think moving forward, POKEMON will likelynot repeat all of the mistakes. Knowing Pokemon, they'll find a new mistaketo make instead, like they'll still fix a lot of them and then they'llmake a different mistake. Yeah, yeah, I will again this this series ofcontinual progress, right, and Pokemon is a big fan of that ideology. Very small, small stems, incremental, and so I don't think they'll makeall of the same mistakes again. If they were to do so,if this ever happens in any capacity again, I mean it should. Man,I think online play is going to be the future. Yeah, I'veread at least the remainder of this year, and I think for card games especially, like online play in general is the future, or at least havingthe option car online game well into the structure of like an online game.It seems absurd not to right, not to build on that right. Soso I don't know. I think ultimately, like the Players Cup was a goodintentioned idea. I think they tried...

...towards the end to improve on theexecution of it, but I think by that point the damage was done andso maybe not. Yeah, maybe not a perfect go around this time.I hope they try something like this again and, you know, refine thatprocess more and yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean what we'll see again.They had there's there is this whole secondary tournaments based on the qualification.So, like I think there's an opportunity for this, you know, secondtournament to go very smoothly, people to be generally happy with how it wentand then, while even though the qualification was you know, had mixed feelingsabout it, I think, like you, we still there is still hope forthis tournament to be a general like positive for the community. I thinkthat's like we're happy that pokemon tried something and maybe it wasn't the way thatwe wanted them to try it, but they did something and we're hoping againthat they at least I am like hoping that they build on I hoping thatthey do it again and figuring out what they did wrong or maybe what theplay years would prefer, and then doing it a little bit better or theway more that the players would prefer. Yeah, yeah, well, Ithink we as a whole, though, we can appreciate that they try todo something. If you're bummed because you couldn't make it in the TCG PlayersCup, you can certainly sign up for the the poken one. Try Yourhand there, there you go. That's up. That's what's up that one. You can just enter right. It's just like a double and I yeah, as far as I know it's just free to play, which I meangotta say. I mean you can probably make it. You probably make acouple rounds if you're decent at polk and, to be honest, yeah, thereyou go. There you so we're excited to see where it goes movingforward, though, absolutely and again we don't want to take away too muchin the focal point of this episode, but there is one other thing thatwe wanted to touch on. Yeah, I'm sure you've heard about it aton, but the trainer's tool kit we've actually talked about this before, butpersonally, I didn't understand, I think, the full scope of the value ofthat box until GW and I were talking about it before this podcast.Yeah, it's pain. I mean, okay, so we talked about allthe things that pokemon did wrong, but this is like a slam dug.This product is absolutely one of the best things that I have ever seen inthe ten years that I play this game. This is just so exciting. Iam like Sal I salivate at the thought of what it would have doneto competitive play if we did have in person tournaments, because I think thatthis is just a fantastic product and one of the things that make me thinkthat, besides the Dednni's, besides the supporters and, you know, justthe insane value from the physical cards that you get, it also comes withthese two little pamphlets and they don't seem like a ton, but here isthe POKEMON trading card game rules and these are this is like some of themost thorough rules that I've ever seen. I think sometimes I've looked at someof the I've looked at some of the rules in the theme decks and theymiss a few things and and they're not as in depth. And this isjust it goes over deck building at the end, like it's just so thorough. And then they give you this trainer tool kit deck builders guide, whichis, in my opinion, one of the most underrated parts of this wholeproduct because, you just me, I've never seen something like this from pokemonwhere they take something and it's brilliant marketing. By the way, if anyone fromPokemon is listening, they give you, you know, hey, buy thisPikat chew and Zekrom League Battle Deck and then, Oh, you havethe trainer tool kit. How do you, you know, soup it up tomake it even better like that's just brilliant and I am such a hugefan and it's just so good for Pokemon to print these products that cost them, you know, very little, but that everyone is going crazy over,and then mash them together and what good value. I just I'm so impressedwhen they bring out something like this and...

...they're talking about consistency. You knowthey I think consistency is used in this booklet and it's just an amazing toolfor a newer player and I am stoked for, you know, the futureof whoever makes these decisions at Pokemon. I'm just really excited for, youknow, more products like these to come out. Yeah, they've really reallyknocked out of the park with their last couple products. I've always said thatI think pokemon is the most accessible of all of the major trading card gamesto like buy into, just because the cards are generally cheaper, but beingable to have products like this that basically you can immediately inject yourself into thegame. Especially when I was newer trading card games, like buying single cards, it's always kind of an uncomfortable process for me if I didn't have likea local store. Ying online was really intimidating to me. So, yeah, and I think too. Yeah, buying online is intimidating. And thenalso just like you're new to the hobby, so you don't know how much youwant to sink into it. You know, somebody says, you know, Oh, ATP is the best deck, and so you go out and youbuy, you know, two or three hundred dollars worth of ATP andthen the next set comes out and like that that deck is obsolete. Oryou know, there's a maybe another deck that you want to try and thenyou say you know, two or three hundred dollars into that new deck andthen you know, because it's this kind of cycling thing, pokemon having thiscome out is is just insane, because it's a tier one deck. It'sbeen in the format for a long time and yeah, like you said,someone can just come in by a trainer's tool kit, buy a Pikachuin Zecheron battle deck and basically have all the tools that they need to have thattier one deck. And that is just out of this world. For,you know, less than sixty bucks, you could go to a tournament andhave a realistic shot of like winning the thing like that is unbelievable. Yeah, it's not. It's super cool and it's a really creative way as wellto bring over some of those alternative arts while also making it like a competitiveproduct that people would buy into and have interested. So yeah, you can't, can't give enough praise for the tool kit and the battle decks. They'vedone recently. POKEMON clearly has its finger on the pulse, at least marketingwise, with the competitive community. So yeah, super exactle and I didsee a comment in chat asking about what are our thoughts on the world's Info. So I think we can talk to it a little bit. There's notthere's only so much info for us to speak on right now. But forthose who are uninformed, the next kind of qualification for world's has been somewhatannounced to all their settle some missing details, but here's kind of the system inreview. So worlds now will be a full war day system and inthe past it's been three days. And so the reason for that is becausethe points from this past year are going to also factor into two thousand andtwenty one world so the way the they're dealing with that is that they're goingto have two tiers of qualification and I guess top sixteen as well. Soyou're going to have the first tier, which is going to be the qualificationfrom this past year's worlds, so five hundred points, and once you havethat, then you qualify for Thursday and then Thursday you have to play throughthe grinder just like you would on Friday and previous worlds to play on Friday. Friday will also be a grinder, but it'll require more points to qualifyfor. We don't know how many points, but it's going to be some arbitrarynumber that is more than five hundred, but probably less than one fifteen hundred. Yeah, right, right, presumably and Rybe maybe it is fifteenhundred, but my guess it'll be approximately the mashup of the two world qualifications. But I think sure that number is likely TVD because they don't know whenthey want to start tournaments. Sure it? That's my assumption at least. Yeah, so that so you? Yeah,...

...those first two qualifications Yell Like DayZero, I guess, if you want to go off the day oneand two system from past worlds, is like a day zero, day one, day two. Almost. Yeah, I'm so. I think that's apretty cool way to go about it. It's a I'm curious like what thatbonus points is going to be, like, how many more you'll need, especiallyconsidering like I don't think for the at least the remainder of two thousandand twenty, it's going to be viable to have tournaments in the United States. I think other countries much more likely. The United States, says, hada pretty lackluster response to the coronavirus, and the places that I've opened havedone so preemptively, and what ultimately has happened is the united stating yourvery worse and we're going on this kind of sea saw of getting up andthen closing down and then we'll feel good in another month and then will openup and close back down right so, instead of actually letting the first waveand like people are calling this a second wave in the United States, we'restill on the first wave in the United State. It's like the first wavedoesn't ended. You know, it never it never dropped, never really dry. It like dropped a little bit and it is went right back up andis still growing exponentially. So, you know, you can listen back toour episodes from March in February to see it our thoughts on the coronavirus.But, you know, stay safe and healthy. With regards to covid nineteen, where a mask if you're going outdoors, if it doesn't have to be.You know for yourself. In fact, the mask actually does less to protectyou statistically than it does to protect others. Yeah, and the onlyway to to appropriately respond to a pandemic is to assume that you're a carrierat all times and act like it. And so that means wearing a maskand I and not going to enclosed spaces not going to large gatherings. Youknow, I know it's unfortunate and it sucks, but we're all dealing withit together and so we can all complain about how much it sucks together insteadof and I think we have right to complain about how much it sucks.You know, a lot of people are, you know, maybe have had familymembers or people that they know that have had the disease and maybe somepeople are, you know, laid off from their job and, you know, having having financial troubles because of the disease and like, yeah, thisis this is horrible. This is like a terrible like it's a huge regressionof like all the progress that has been made over the last, you know, ten or fifteen years and the job market, in the economy, andit sucks, you know, and it sucks in like especially if you've hadsomebody that you know like die. That sucks even more. Like no amountof money can make you feel better about that, but it's it's something.Yes, we can commiserate together, but just do your part. Can't thatenough? Like please, please, plans. I really want to say as well, like and when, if you're young, you're still vulnerable, likethere are still young people who are passing away and even beyond that. Atthere are lots of young people survived, and that's we know. We've knownthat for a long time. But what we're seeing now, now that we'refurther along, is that a lot of these people are having long term damage, maybe not permanent, but certainly something that'll have to deal with for theforeseeable future, with with long damage and kidney damage. So, like,this isn't something that you should really be taking lightly, even if you arein a younger age group. So do your part, like, even ifyou end up perfectly fine, like that person who you didn't wear a maskand your you breathed in their direction and they got it. You know that'sultimately it's on your hands for not taking the right steps, and so reallythink about that. I think about your fellow man. I think if there'sone theme of this episode, it's empathy and and so we're masks, begood to people, do the right things...

...and play pokemon. Absolutely, andI don't think there's a better way that we could wrap up then, anda dage like that. So thank you all for listening. Do your bestto be good people out there. We know our listeners are really strong communityand a really good base, and we have nothing but usome expectations for you. Absolutely thank you, guys, for listening this week. It's been agreat episode and I'll catch on the next one. By everyone,.

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