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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 2, Episode 20 · 2 years ago

2-20. Empathy in Pokemon

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys sit down to discuss the recent developments in the Pokemon community. At Tag Team we stand for inclusivity for all.

Up, everybody. Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games for a mere podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined again by my good friend JW Curry. Wall Jw, you just came back from your anniversary trip. How you doing, man, I am feeling refreshed and excited. I have not felt this good in a long time. I was just talking to Riley before the cast about how I don't really think for better for worse. I don't really think about my mental health and then I come back from a trip like that and just like it was a great trip and it was a lot of fun and like my wife and I had a great time. We met up with a lot of really interesting people and we had a lot of good food and we relaxed and just everything about it was, you know, really low stress, except for the time we got lost in the woods, but I won't go into detail about that. But other than that it was just scary. If I would freak out. Well, my wife is very adventurous and that's like that I love about her, but I can also get us into trouble, and so she wanted to take this alternate path and I was like no, we should stay on the path that we were on. I we know that it just goes in a loop, but she's like no, we gotta go on this alternate path, and so we go down the path and we all of a sudden find that were we have no idea where we are. We've been walking for like two hours, no clue where we are, and we look it up on our phones. We're looking up a map and Tennessee of the park and it's like showing us that were on the other side, but we swear that we didn't pass this marker and so we're all turned around and we're like asking people where do we go and where are we and nobody knows. And Anyway, we had to use Google maps to bail us out, which it did, and so we're very thankful. But it would little bit tense there because I was like we should have stayed on the on the original path, but it was broad. At least you didn't get like kidnapped by a witch or something. I don't know, at least we didn't. Yeah, thank goodness that didn't happen. Yeah, anything else exciting going on? Well, just revamping the youtube stuff. been putting out something new every single day. There's been a lot to talk about just with the trainer tool kit and I just recorded this week's discord tournament for upload onto the Youtube and I'm pretty excited about that. And Yeah, I just say I'm really enjoying kind of the new stuff that that I'm able to do with constant creation right now. POKEMON. That's awesome, man. Yeah, it's a great time to branch out and explore and pick things out, for sure. Now, how about you know what this tournaments? What's I heard? You had a really interesting day today. I don't know if it was interesting day. I've had a in general. I've been really stressful lately, successfully life lately, I guess. Yeah, so today I came home and I just kind of I ate a bunch of food and just kind of vegged out, which is yeah, that's a great way to like cap off a stressful day is just to chill out in your apartment. And so I got like a little blanket Kut cucoon and lie down just intended to take a nap and I fell asleep and as also trying to coordinate with a CO worker who lives in my apartment, like we're driving to work together. Tomorrow. So I was accordinating that. And then I wake up and I feel incredibly rested, like way more rested than I have any right to feel, and I'm like this is odd and said I look at my phone and we were plant and severer context. We were planning to leave for work at seven am. Okay. So I look at my phone and it's hundred and forty five. Well, my Gosh, which was like not very long after I got into bed. Yeah, I I didn't even think about the fact it could possibly still be today because I was so arrested. Right. I look at seventy forty five, I'm like, Holy Crap, immediately take the person.

I'm like, Oh my God, I'm sorry in the worst like like I totally like miss the ball there. Yeah, and I'm like I'm getting shower of feeding my cats, like I still haven't checked and see that it's still like yeah, the Wednesday, not the third. Yeah, and so, oh my gosh, I saw went through my whole morning routine and I got ready and like this just isn't right, like well, wh why didn't nobody like text to me that it's Thursday or something? How did you not know, though, like couldn't you see outside or whatever? Like I mean not really, though, because like at seven am it would still be kind of like this, or it's like a little you know, there's not a ton of song, but they're still a little bit and this level of sunlight from like thirty am and pm are kind of similar. Yeah. So, yeah, and like I've had times where I got mixed up on my days before, but not ones where I like went through this extent of like my morning routine. That's ridiculous, Dude. So you like ate all your eggs or whatever you have for breakfast and like got your whole bag together or whatever. You take the work and stuff like that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, that's why I'm like in a tank top right now because, like, I for the viewers like you tube and twitch, because I was like I took a shower and I'm like what am I doing? That's what I realized. I literally I got out of the shower, what across my apartment to get my phone and looked at it like this is this says Wednesday on it. So I text the person. Didn't like wait, ignore this previous couple messages about me missing the ball. I'm just apparently just very stupid. Yeah, they must have thought you like took part in a recreational activity a little bit too much that night. Only I just feel sleep. But it happens, and the problem is when you take naps like that, it's so hard to sleep that same night. So hopefully actually sleep. Yeah, yeah, no, kidding, no kidding, I have been. For some reason, the last three nights have been really bad sleep for me. We just got blackout curtains, which makes the room, I mean obviously way darker, but for some reason they've been like throwing me off. We're like I'll wake up at nine, which is later than I normally sleep, but I'll feel less rested. So I don't know, it's yeah, it's pretty crazy. I don't know. Sleeping right now for me it's just it's whack. Yeah, but I haven't had an experience like that ever. I don't think that's pretty wild. I have experiences similar to that all the time, but they're just the level of effort that way into that one was insane. Yeah, but shifting gears a little bit away from sleeping, although that is a favorite topic your mine. We wanted to talk about some of the things that are going on at Pokemon. So we have a couple items on the agenda for today. The first one is going to be a little bit more serious, though, so kind of slowering our roll a little bit from joking about sleeping. You wanted to talk about the recent sort of movement of survivors of sexual assault and harassment coming forward with their experiences, particularly in gaming communities. We seen several pokemon players share their experiences, both in the video game side of things and in the trading card game, and there's been some other relevant experiences that are come up. I don't want to name all the specifics of it. I'll kind of leave that to you. What, ultimately, I don't want to do is speak too much on something that you know I'm not fully qualified to speak on or, like, speak on behalf of someone else. Right. That...

...being said, tag team has always been firm and its stance on supporting women and other minorities in our community, and so the continual message that we want to give off is that we support you, we support your stands, we support coming forward with the experiences that you have. Ultimately, not only is coming forward super meaningful because we can see that experience, but it also empowers other people to do the same right and right. That is incredibly valuable and as someone who has firsthand seen the effects of those kind of things, I cannot commend enough the courage of people who speak up about those kind of things. Yeah, I mean it's definitely been good, good, not I don't want to say good, that's the wrong word, but it's been impactful on me to hear these stories, not just in our community but in others, like you mentioned, and just saying that, you know, this stuff is very prevalent and you know, and it might not be something that I see and it might not be something that I have firsthand, you know, experience with, but it's something that's still around. Sexual assault assault is still something that occurs and until it's like completely eradicated and until everyone's mind is right, you know, we're always going to be dealing with this issue and so just being as vigilant as we can be, listening to the women and their store and the men and their stories and just being hyper aware that this is not something that we just kind of, you know, snap our fingers and our kind of done with, or like we bring to the light once and it's over with. You know, we have to remain very vigilant over the course of time, and I think you know I can speak for you and saying that, you know, if I can contribute to a more positive environment for anyone in this community like I'm going to do that and I want to do that right and so, ultimately, you know, and JW and I, time and time again when topics like these come up, we try to actively acknowledge the fact that we are in a position of incredible privilege as you white males, and so we don't. Again, we're not trying to step on anyone's toes here. What what ultimately I want to give off as a message is a couple of things. First, you know, whether you're a man or a woman, or you fall somewhere in between or you don't identify with that spectrum at all, you should be listening to and bolstering the voices of people who go through these experiences. And that's also not to say that expect those experiences are limited to, you know, not being a man. Certainly men can go through similar susies and do quite often as well. So the first step of that is listening and being engaged in the people who can through these experiences. It's really easy to write things off because you've but I've noticed a lot in these gaming communities as you form, you call it like pair of social relationships with people, whereas you might meet someone in a tournament once and they're incredibly nice, or you see their online presence and you form an opinion about them. Ultimately that's not a substitute for actually knowing the person. And even if you do actually know the person, if every single person who did a shady thing acted like a shady sleeves ball in real life, that we wouldn't have this problem, because be able to point them out right away. Sure, right, and so like. There's so the first step of that is being willing to accept that things happen and people aren't always how they appear and that's just the nature of life, and that's especially a thing in these online communities that informed the second thing is to continue to elevate those voices. So not only so once you started listening to those people, start advocating for them. Jw and I. We did an episode on women and in the trading card game a while back with Aaron Palmer. She gave some awesome...

...insight into the women experience and I really really recommend that you listen to episode of still one of my favorites. But the key to that, though, is that we have to not only take our position of privilege and use it to listen, we have to use it to take action. So be that highlighting female players in your community or forming genuine friendships with them that aren't based around, you know, sexual interest. Sure it really could be simple things that go a long way, and showing that that people are welcome in our communities is huge. Yeah, like it's not. It doesn't happen enough. Absolutely, and I think you know, with everyone, were all on this kind of journey of continual renewal and and progress, and so the past is you know, you are always trying to be better, and so just that extends to people that are advocates and like, if you feel like you haven't advocated enough in the past, like well, you can, you know, start now, like you can be different, you can be better than you were, and so, yeah, just hitting the nail on the head Riley, with with advocating for women and advocating for those that have been put in these terrible positions is huge, right, and this extends, you know, beyond just women in their experiences and gaming. It extends to Real Life, it extends to other minority groups. What I think has happened recently is gaming as a cross sectional community of Like Society, has ultimately, I don't want to save in like hateful, but has read a lot of toxicity and I don't know if that's the nature of of gamers itself. I don't really think so, but I think, yeah, I think the nature of these Onlin communities that we engage ourselves in has read some toxic environments and we have to really be reflecting on what we're posting and staying online and how we're engaging with people who are different. Yeah, yeah, and I think it is right you're saying like this online more so than just gaming in general, but gamings medium is the Internet. So yeah, I would agree with them exactly. So hopefully you can find some valuable insight in what we're talking about here, and I'll keep driving this home, like I don't want to speak for anyone on their behalf. And so there are tons of awesome women you can follow in the POKEMON trading card game. I'll leave some of their links in our description for this week's. That way you can check them out. But even beyond that, it can be as simple. They don't have to have a twitter, they don't have to be active on facebook. It can be as simple as just being nice to the women who go to your league or encouraging people who to go to your league. Obviously that's a little different with the current space, so the nineteen and all that, but you understand, like the point that I'm driving home is that just being a good person is theoretically easy. You just have to take that that first step and and being an actively good person and not just a passively good person. Sure, sigre. So hopefully you found some meeting in that. We won't harp on it too much in the context of like who we are and what we represent. But Yeah, tag team is always stood with the be oppressed, in the minorities, and that's something that we've been that's been foundational we all. We've continually tried to speak to these issues, we've continually tried to bolst those voices and we stand with and for those people from here and forever on. So shifting gears, though. I also Aaron left an awesome message and chat and so I'm just going to call that out for the listeners. She says something I think a lot of people need to be arove is that action isn't exactly a me it. A lot of people would ask me how to be a better alley and it's more of an overtime situation, and I think that's exactly the...

...kind of point that we're trying to drive home, right, is that take those take those steps right. It's not something you can immediately do and change the face of the earth on. Sure, sure, although I will say that there are do come these points where you have an opportunity to you know, there is a point in time that you have that opportunity to step in and to make that change. I mean, I've been through times where I've I've had to step in on behalf of someone or, you know, regrettably I haven't stepped in when I should have. And you know, that's just just stories from from my past, you know, and that's just just who I am. And so there are those points in time that you can look back at and kind of mentally prepare yourself for doing that in the future, for being the one that steps up and says, Hey, this is wrong, or hey, you shouldn't talk to that person like that, or hey, this is really, you know, toxic behavior, or whatever it may be. Yes, it is an overtime thing and I think if you cultivate those habits of, you know, being a good person, then over time, like you will like be that advocate in those pressure situations. Right. And I think another important point, and I know I said that we're potentially going to move on, but I think there's a lot of good stuff that we can talk about. So, like, I know other point adding on to that is a lot of communities, not just gaming, but in a lot of communities there's a lot of really toxic like jokes. You know that in jokes that might happen in smaller communities that become larger jokes. And one thing I will continually say that I have seen happen is that the rhetoric you use amongst like your small groups of friends or when you're joking, ultimately that bleeds into how you actually think about things. So if you're saying like horrible things to women, are not calling people out when they do say those things, even if it's just in a small group chat with your friends? Ultimately even if you don't mean it at the time. That is something that will embed itself into your thinking and your thought processes. And so being willing to step back and call people out when they say things that are wrong. And this extends, you know, beyond women, extends beyond minorities and Black People. It extends into just every every facet of living when you see people saying wrong things, instead of just joining in or accepting it or saying, Oh, you know, that's jw says crazy stuff all the time, like I want to use me here, but I don't. You know, you have to you have to be willing to step in and take that and take that step to to do the right thing. Sure, sure, yeah, you know, happing back to before being better is an active process. It's not something that will happen and be really yeah, yeah, and that actually Harkens back to the story that my dad always like told us growing up, and he said he is talking to your friend of his who was a minority, and she said to him, you know, he was asking like well, how how do I handle kind of like just like race relations, and how can I be a better ally and how can I, you know, do these things to better the minority communities that I'm in. And she's like, well, have you ever, you know, have your overtold a racist joke? And he said, well, no, I've never told a racist joke. And then she asked him, well, have you laughed at a racist joke? And I think that goes back to you know what you're saying, like just the way that you are. You know, the way that you act in the small will dictate the way that you act in the big and so, you know, sure, he may have never told a racist joke, but he may have laughed at one, and that is still, I kind of perpetuating this system. Exactly. Don't so. And that's not to say like we're all going to screw up. You know, we're all going to do these things at times like I think there is a lot of room...

...for grace in these situations. But if we can speak to anything, it's just a continual process of progress and renewal and and pushing forward. Absolutely me. So largely I think this is what we this is what we want to be the focal point of this episode. We do want to talk about a couple other more pokemon adjacent things, but if you take any anything away from this episode, it's that tag team stands with the women who have come forward with their experiences and we hope to not only listen, listen to your stories and take that into actionable tasks, but also to continually improve our community and and we hope that all of you, our listeners, will take those same steps. Absolutely. Looking at the other going on at the moment, I think the biggest main event is the Players Cup, has been finalized at long last. Yes, so we're looking at the top two hundred players from Na have been decided and ultimately I think the Players Cup was surprisingly easy to qualify for. Yeah, I think we always overestimate the amount of competitive players that there are. Yeah, well, you know, it's and it's a little more nebulous in the online space. Yeah, and I have some theories as to what happened exactly, but I remember distinctly early on I was talking with my friends on discord. We you're playing just some other video games, and our friend Brady Buttner, he was saying, you know, if you don't have like sixty eight hundred tickets, it's not even worth trying, and I'm like wow, so I had like five hundred. Should I should I bother. And then then you look at the final. I think you we were talking before. I I don't have the sheet open right now, but you said it was somewhere in the ballpark of like eighty a turnament. Yeah, like that's right more and so it's right. You know that you could get that in ten tournaments, right, right, you know, like it didn't ended up not taking a ton. But I mean you think back, you know, month ago and a lot of players are just really sour. I think just generally speaking, the community as a whole. You know, there are certainly a lot of people that like grinded their way in and did a lot of hard work to get there, but the community at all as a whole was a little bit disappointed at the way that it was brought to us. There just could have been some very obvious tweaks to make it that much more accessible. But at the end of the day, I think that hurt a lot of players because there were a lot of voices kind of coming in and saying hey, this, you know, maybe could have been changed. There are a lot of things that could be done. Like we don't want to participate in and if this is going to be the system. And then it ended up not really being a big deal, partially, I think, due to you know and US and fluted right, we were kind of ragging on the system. But it ended up not being a big deal to have the amount of tickets that we thought you were going to need, just for a number of reasons, like the community just was sour on it and maybe didn't participate as kind of a virtue right. They didn't want to see this kind of pay to play type system that was advocated for, and some people just were like, Hey, I'm not going to even bother with it because it seems like it's going to be too much work. And then we had a little bit of a fiasco with the whole tournament rap being reported, and I think that for me, was like a really big annoyance if I couldn't even calculate like halfway through what the end was supposed to look like. You know, if I'm knowing halfway through, okay, I can calculate. Okay,...

I need to do this, this this, but it was impossible to know that halfway through because the rep wasn't updating correctly. So there are a number of factors going into this and I think it's very interesting to talk about. Yeah, I think I agree with a lot of those factors that you stated. People seemed turned off, and I think part of that was, you know, we're talking about need eight hundred tickets. People are like, Oh, I only have two hundred. What am I supposed to do? I can't do this thing, so why bother? And so, yeah, I'm like that just didn't even bother. And then he had other people who are actively taking a stand thing. You know, I don't like this system, I don't want to be a part of it or support it in any way, and so they opted for like the opposite route where, instead of just being demotivated, they are incredibly motivated, but their motivation was to not play right right. And then you had like another school of people who just weren't interested and never would have been in the first place. Sure, I think. I think you called out some good points as well, like the leader board was a huge flaw and the fact that you couldn't act accurately track where you were until close to close to the end when they started doing that daily pdf or whatever. Yeah, yeah, up until then there's really no way that you were supposed to know because it was just so inaccurately reported. So I think moving forward, but even before you make any structural changes, like if you were going to do this exact same thing again, the number one priority in my mind is getting an accurate leader board. Yeah, and a dynamic one when that updates frequently, and maybe that's and even better would be if it was in the client. You see right, right. Yeah, you click on the TAB and it brings your rank up or something amongst that your peers, and we just updating real time, like right, if it lived there and the client instead of I'm pretty sure what it's doing is it's using an API to just pull a continuously on like an interval from from the client instead of just being in there. I think if it was just built into the client and then the API just actually pulled the data, that would probably be better, but I don't know actually how. It's just like structured, but that's pretty test yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, long story short, like in my estimation, like the Players Cup worked, but I think like it worked in the sense that the people that wanted to get in, I think, largely got in. But I still don't think that that's indicative of a good system, right. Yeah, and so, you know, ultimately, just before we get to say it worked, we have to we have to look at the the final tournament as well. Yeah, you know, this isn't the end, like there's still a tournament. That's that's true. That's true, and so I'm cure. I'm very curious to see, you know, even outside of like a metagame standpoint, like how people approached this and what exactly they want to do. Yeah, I think moving forward, POKEMON will likely not repeat all of the mistakes. Knowing Pokemon, they'll find a new mistake to make instead, like they'll still fix a lot of them and then they'll make a different mistake. Yeah, yeah, I will again this this series of continual progress, right, and Pokemon is a big fan of that ideology. Very small, small stems, incremental, and so I don't think they'll make all of the same mistakes again. If they were to do so, if this ever happens in any capacity again, I mean it should. Man, I think online play is going to be the future. Yeah, I've read at least the remainder of this year, and I think for card games especially, like online play in general is the future, or at least having the option car online game well into the structure of like an online game. It seems absurd not to right, not to build on that right. So so I don't know. I think ultimately, like the Players Cup was a good intentioned idea. I think they tried...

...towards the end to improve on the execution of it, but I think by that point the damage was done and so maybe not. Yeah, maybe not a perfect go around this time. I hope they try something like this again and, you know, refine that process more and yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean what we'll see again. They had there's there is this whole secondary tournaments based on the qualification. So, like I think there's an opportunity for this, you know, second tournament to go very smoothly, people to be generally happy with how it went and then, while even though the qualification was you know, had mixed feelings about it, I think, like you, we still there is still hope for this tournament to be a general like positive for the community. I think that's like we're happy that pokemon tried something and maybe it wasn't the way that we wanted them to try it, but they did something and we're hoping again that they at least I am like hoping that they build on I hoping that they do it again and figuring out what they did wrong or maybe what the play years would prefer, and then doing it a little bit better or the way more that the players would prefer. Yeah, yeah, well, I think we as a whole, though, we can appreciate that they try to do something. If you're bummed because you couldn't make it in the TCG Players Cup, you can certainly sign up for the the poken one. Try Your hand there, there you go. That's up. That's what's up that one. You can just enter right. It's just like a double and I yeah, as far as I know it's just free to play, which I mean gotta say. I mean you can probably make it. You probably make a couple rounds if you're decent at polk and, to be honest, yeah, there you go. There you so we're excited to see where it goes moving forward, though, absolutely and again we don't want to take away too much in the focal point of this episode, but there is one other thing that we wanted to touch on. Yeah, I'm sure you've heard about it a ton, but the trainer's tool kit we've actually talked about this before, but personally, I didn't understand, I think, the full scope of the value of that box until GW and I were talking about it before this podcast. Yeah, it's pain. I mean, okay, so we talked about all the things that pokemon did wrong, but this is like a slam dug. This product is absolutely one of the best things that I have ever seen in the ten years that I play this game. This is just so exciting. I am like Sal I salivate at the thought of what it would have done to competitive play if we did have in person tournaments, because I think that this is just a fantastic product and one of the things that make me think that, besides the Dednni's, besides the supporters and, you know, just the insane value from the physical cards that you get, it also comes with these two little pamphlets and they don't seem like a ton, but here is the POKEMON trading card game rules and these are this is like some of the most thorough rules that I've ever seen. I think sometimes I've looked at some of the I've looked at some of the rules in the theme decks and they miss a few things and and they're not as in depth. And this is just it goes over deck building at the end, like it's just so thorough. And then they give you this trainer tool kit deck builders guide, which is, in my opinion, one of the most underrated parts of this whole product because, you just me, I've never seen something like this from pokemon where they take something and it's brilliant marketing. By the way, if anyone from Pokemon is listening, they give you, you know, hey, buy this Pikat chew and Zekrom League Battle Deck and then, Oh, you have the trainer tool kit. How do you, you know, soup it up to make it even better like that's just brilliant and I am such a huge fan and it's just so good for Pokemon to print these products that cost them, you know, very little, but that everyone is going crazy over, and then mash them together and what good value. I just I'm so impressed when they bring out something like this and...

...they're talking about consistency. You know they I think consistency is used in this booklet and it's just an amazing tool for a newer player and I am stoked for, you know, the future of whoever makes these decisions at Pokemon. I'm just really excited for, you know, more products like these to come out. Yeah, they've really really knocked out of the park with their last couple products. I've always said that I think pokemon is the most accessible of all of the major trading card games to like buy into, just because the cards are generally cheaper, but being able to have products like this that basically you can immediately inject yourself into the game. Especially when I was newer trading card games, like buying single cards, it's always kind of an uncomfortable process for me if I didn't have like a local store. Ying online was really intimidating to me. So, yeah, and I think too. Yeah, buying online is intimidating. And then also just like you're new to the hobby, so you don't know how much you want to sink into it. You know, somebody says, you know, Oh, ATP is the best deck, and so you go out and you buy, you know, two or three hundred dollars worth of ATP and then the next set comes out and like that that deck is obsolete. Or you know, there's a maybe another deck that you want to try and then you say you know, two or three hundred dollars into that new deck and then you know, because it's this kind of cycling thing, pokemon having this come out is is just insane, because it's a tier one deck. It's been in the format for a long time and yeah, like you said, someone can just come in by a trainer's tool kit, buy a Pikachuin Zecher on battle deck and basically have all the tools that they need to have that tier one deck. And that is just out of this world. For, you know, less than sixty bucks, you could go to a tournament and have a realistic shot of like winning the thing like that is unbelievable. Yeah, it's not. It's super cool and it's a really creative way as well to bring over some of those alternative arts while also making it like a competitive product that people would buy into and have interested. So yeah, you can't, can't give enough praise for the tool kit and the battle decks. They've done recently. POKEMON clearly has its finger on the pulse, at least marketing wise, with the competitive community. So yeah, super exactle and I did see a comment in chat asking about what are our thoughts on the world's Info. So I think we can talk to it a little bit. There's not there's only so much info for us to speak on right now. But for those who are uninformed, the next kind of qualification for world's has been somewhat announced to all their settle some missing details, but here's kind of the system in review. So worlds now will be a full war day system and in the past it's been three days. And so the reason for that is because the points from this past year are going to also factor into two thousand and twenty one world so the way the they're dealing with that is that they're going to have two tiers of qualification and I guess top sixteen as well. So you're going to have the first tier, which is going to be the qualification from this past year's worlds, so five hundred points, and once you have that, then you qualify for Thursday and then Thursday you have to play through the grinder just like you would on Friday and previous worlds to play on Friday. Friday will also be a grinder, but it'll require more points to qualify for. We don't know how many points, but it's going to be some arbitrary number that is more than five hundred, but probably less than one fifteen hundred. Yeah, right, right, presumably and Rybe maybe it is fifteen hundred, but my guess it'll be approximately the mashup of the two world qualifications. But I think sure that number is likely TVD because they don't know when they want to start tournaments. Sure it? That's my assumption at least. Yeah, so that so you? Yeah,...

...those first two qualifications Yell Like Day Zero, I guess, if you want to go off the day one and two system from past worlds, is like a day zero, day one, day two. Almost. Yeah, I'm so. I think that's a pretty cool way to go about it. It's a I'm curious like what that bonus points is going to be, like, how many more you'll need, especially considering like I don't think for the at least the remainder of two thousand and twenty, it's going to be viable to have tournaments in the United States. I think other countries much more likely. The United States, says, had a pretty lackluster response to the coronavirus, and the places that I've opened have done so preemptively, and what ultimately has happened is the united stating your very worse and we're going on this kind of sea saw of getting up and then closing down and then we'll feel good in another month and then will open up and close back down right so, instead of actually letting the first wave and like people are calling this a second wave in the United States, we're still on the first wave in the United State. It's like the first wave doesn't ended. You know, it never it never dropped, never really dry. It like dropped a little bit and it is went right back up and is still growing exponentially. So, you know, you can listen back to our episodes from March in February to see it our thoughts on the coronavirus. But, you know, stay safe and healthy. With regards to covid nineteen, where a mask if you're going outdoors, if it doesn't have to be. You know for yourself. In fact, the mask actually does less to protect you statistically than it does to protect others. Yeah, and the only way to to appropriately respond to a pandemic is to assume that you're a carrier at all times and act like it. And so that means wearing a mask and I and not going to enclosed spaces not going to large gatherings. You know, I know it's unfortunate and it sucks, but we're all dealing with it together and so we can all complain about how much it sucks together instead of and I think we have right to complain about how much it sucks. You know, a lot of people are, you know, maybe have had family members or people that they know that have had the disease and maybe some people are, you know, laid off from their job and, you know, having having financial troubles because of the disease and like, yeah, this is this is horrible. This is like a terrible like it's a huge regression of like all the progress that has been made over the last, you know, ten or fifteen years and the job market, in the economy, and it sucks, you know, and it sucks in like especially if you've had somebody that you know like die. That sucks even more. Like no amount of money can make you feel better about that, but it's it's something. Yes, we can commiserate together, but just do your part. Can't that enough? Like please, please, plans. I really want to say as well, like and when, if you're young, you're still vulnerable, like there are still young people who are passing away and even beyond that. At there are lots of young people survived, and that's we know. We've known that for a long time. But what we're seeing now, now that we're further along, is that a lot of these people are having long term damage, maybe not permanent, but certainly something that'll have to deal with for the foreseeable future, with with long damage and kidney damage. So, like, this isn't something that you should really be taking lightly, even if you are in a younger age group. So do your part, like, even if you end up perfectly fine, like that person who you didn't wear a mask and your you breathed in their direction and they got it. You know that's ultimately it's on your hands for not taking the right steps, and so really think about that. I think about your fellow man. I think if there's one theme of this episode, it's empathy and and so we're masks, be good to people, do the right things...

...and play pokemon. Absolutely, and I don't think there's a better way that we could wrap up then, and a dage like that. So thank you all for listening. Do your best to be good people out there. We know our listeners are really strong community and a really good base, and we have nothing but usome expectations for you. Absolutely thank you, guys, for listening this week. It's been a great episode and I'll catch on the next one. By everyone,.

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