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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 4, Episode 3 · 1 month ago

4-3. Evolving Guys

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Riley and JW talk about the ever evolving format, a brand new sponsorship, and speculation about PTCG LIVE. Join in the fun in another exciting episode!

Welcome back everybody to tag team, thePOKEMON trading card games, premier podcasting duo, I'm J, W crewall andI'm joined by my good good friend, Riley homer, rightly how you doing I'm thriving man if you're watchingthis visually, he might notice him out of my normal cow on site here and inBeautiful Richmond Virginia, not rich, Mor exciting, Not New York Yeah. You US contentious debate between GWand I well. He said he was in Richmond and then I was like. I just wassupposed to assume that that was Richmond Virginia ever and not RichmondNeros, no New York, you, although I'm sure, there's a Richmond New Jersey,and I mean it can be retuned anything I mean I think, there's like a RichmondMichigan. This is, it seems like one of those name like Richmond Antario. Ohthere's, definitely a Richmond, Ontario yeah for sure kind of messed up toassume yeah. True true, I know so when you say Richmond just be a little moremore specific right. So how are things going overthere? It's good! It's good! You know we're on site working with oneof our clients and it's gone very well so far this week I would say I made alot of progress. I just came back from like a bowling outage with some of thethe epic team. That's on site here and I did win the first round and getsecond place in the second round, not to Lex. But you know I had a good timeout there and I'm here in the hotel, love it hanging out what what hotel didthey put you at Harriot Ahow Long. Are you there, for?I am actually leaving tomorrow afternoon. Okay, so do you get to chillin the morning or what's The no? I was just talking about this with mypeers. I go into the going to the clients office for like three hourstops and then bale thing, and then I'm flying the rest of the day. Okay, nice,nice cool. Well, I'm going to be in Wisconsin this weekend, yeah what youup to friends, wedding there you go, I'mactually going to be in Madison. Are you I thought yea the last time here inWisconsin. You were on like the opposite side of yeah. I was kind ofyeah. I was kind of north a little bit minute, mini Cuacua Yeah. Well, I'msure you'll be plenty busy, but if you have time, let's let's make somethinghappen. Yeah, let's I mean I don't. I don't really know the schedule. My wifeknows the schedule all the married men out there. You can feel me right. It'slike man we're leaving in two days, and I have no idea what's going on they're digging a hole for us all here,true true, so anyway, we got a lot of poke to discuss. Don't we we got plenty of poke to discuss. Thatis for sure. So why don't? We start with thestandard format? There's been a lot of intrigue in terms of the sheernumber of deck and that has caused a little bit of disgruntled fan base, but we'll get tothat in a second. But let's just talk generally about what we think are someof the better decks of this new format. Yeah. Absolutely this format, like almost menacingly, reflects the tweetthat I made a couple weeks ago. I'm like just pick your favorite b Max playwith an Delian and to a KO each other yeah, like that's like actually aviable strategy. At this point, it feels like, however, my favorite deck by a wide margin rightnow, just in terms of I really enjoy playing it and is very good is sweet onnot of me Max sweet coon offers so many options in a given turn. You have thedraw with the fleet footed on the sweet coon. You have the searching with theIntelli on line, and you have the birst damage of the ludi color. I mean itjust has like the whole package there and it's kind of shown that to be trueas well. It's consistently doing well. At these events, I mean, I really think, right now andin the current snap shot of the Meta game as of today that Swein is the deckto be well. It's really also, you know the only viable to prize deck outside of likeZasshi, Sama, sented, right yeah and it's lower maintenance than Zaha right,like you can just melleny attach and you're good to go, and if you do that,one turn your Sukin doesn't get knocked out. Then all of a sudden like yourhead and attachments and you can get a sweet con one out of two powered up andthen you're streaming right like you, don't have to worry the rest of thegame. Yeah the nice thing about the sweet con is, I mean the underratedability. I feel like the draw is like...

...so good. You know just to get thatextra car to turn, I think, is something that a lot of people justkind of gloss over is why they would play this weekend deck. But it's reallynice to just draw ARD. I mean there were decks in the past that Iremembered you remember this. It was a. It was like a little. I think it wasaudio and when it was active you could draw hard yeah Caleti in his yells deckyeah. It was I mean, and that was a card that saw a s I mean not a lot ofplay but like it saw some play because you could have you know that abilityactivated right like once a turn and like you know now you have it on aviable attacker, that's awesome and then, like you, said, the lowmaintenance, you know just swing and turn after turn makes it really easy to. You know stream those attacks so yeah,so I mean the deck is fine. It gives you a ton of options and I think,between those factors like the fact it's fun and so good will draw a lot ofpeople to it. So as more more people like startpicking up the deck its going to increase and increase in popularity, soit's just. I think it has a huge target on his back right now. You should bethinking about it. Some things to consider when you're looking at beatsweet con tool. Scrapper, I think, is a car that will start to see more playthan Tapo toughness is actually huge. It saves this week in so many timesfrom being knocked out yeah I like to I like to scrap her as as acard like if we're talking about cards that are on the uptrend like, I wouldsay that and maybe crushing hammer and if you other things but and that's asanother thing, it's good about speaking to is- is kind of resilient against,crushing Hammer, because it's so low maintenance, yeah, there's just so muchgone for it. I also say like getting back to fleet footed. What I really like about that abilityto is it the one card like one you choose to draw, is kind of a nuancedecision, yeah for sure for sure you know like whether you're looking for aspecific thing or you just want to draw an extra car to round out your turn or, if you're, trying to draw multipleComo pieces and like when you use it in relation to your search and yourItalians and stuff it. It's like those little micro decisions that I reallyenjoy. When I play the game, you know surprise that the Zar player like likesto be nease when they draw their cards sure. So I just I can't revenu there'slike so many good things going for it. Let's, let's talk about some otherdecks, though another deck, that's on the rise, and I feel like it's almostin response is the jolty on Deck J B D. Any experience with that one yeahJoltin, I haven't played it yet because the Jilton are a little bit expensivein PC. I mean that's like the only deck that I haven't built yet out ofevolving skies, but I've seen Andrew played a number of times. I've seen anumber of other streamers play it. You know Sol likes it a lot too. So I feel, like I have a you know, goodenough base right. I probably watched enough hours of it to know you knowtruly how it plays and stuff, but I like the deck I mean, I think it'sreally fun right now we're seeing a lot of these snipe decks that are just maybe not dominating the format but butcertainly stepping into the light here so that and drag opult you know are twodecks that I really enjoy. Just the snipe is so good. You have a lot ofdecks that are playing the INTELLI engine. I think that's one thing thatJo ton does quite well is prey on those decks, picks the suckers off yeah, soJilton low maintenance to. I think it's one of those decks that I also feellike hasn't been fully like. It's not perfected yetbecause I could see maybe a bigger, like Cheryl sort of heal. You know yeah, I meanthat elemental. Bad is really good. Yeah like if you just played like fourelemental badge, because I think a lot of the decks that I've been seeing areplaying three two or three and then maybe one Cheral, if they're playing itat all, but maybe there's some kind of strategy there to you know Sheril alittle bit more often play a higher account of elemental badge, and Ireally get that Combo off, where the Joltin just doesn't go down, yeah that that jolt town deck can bereally brutal if you're, if you're like not an earthy food desk, Yeah Yeah. Ohfor sure, it's like super unfortunate about the Jilt on is it has that threehundred hit points to a is just not great when you're against the or she,the that hits you for a hundred and fifty yeah, that's really tough toovercome. I wish there was some kind of you know: weakness, guard or policy orsomething, but I guess, if you're playing you know, weakness policy, thenyou can't play arguably one of the best tools in the game right now. So it'stough there for yeah and like weakness Card is, in the format.Correct so the problem, though, is it doesn't work with elemental patch, because elemental bad provides thecolorless yeah. So you need the lightning. So it's just like thisenergy. Just isn't there right, so you...

...just kind of fold to er she fu, but onthe foot side. Well, but the weakness card energy is not in in format. Sorry,just to okay. Are you in a man as you a lost Youni mines, but it did have asecret rare. So that's that's! Maybe what you're thinking about yeah you're totally right. So that beingsaid, though, it wouldn't work really anyway. Of course, the when I was getting at, though, is thatErshi also kind of ole the downward trend yeah. I agree. I agree rapidstriker she to what do you think played into that j? Is it just the psychicprevalence? Well, I think psychic, and then you also think about just that. Er Sha food can't really putpressure on any of the main decks outside of you know. Maybe Jilton rightlike it's, not one shouting anything the turn a isis presence has died down.So it's not really hitting anything for big damage again outside of the JoltTion. So I feel, like you, know, you're kind of losing thatthat punch, maybe yeah the the Ershi Punch and then the classic or go fo on,and then you have. You know you have psychic types that are getting. Youknow better right. You have sylvie on. You have chatard cally REX, which justhasn't really gone anywhere, and then you also have drag a pole. So it's likeit's kind of a rough format for it currently, not that it's necessarily aterrible deck, but it's kind of on the down trend, because the flavor ofrecent weeks has been more psychic focused. You See, I'm really interestedas well, and we should make this a specific talking point is like: Wheredo we think things will go in the coming weeks? Because we see thesedecks like sweet coon and Joltin like on the uptrend, and I would say Shiwois obviously it's good in a Joltin, but I think it's kind of good in thisweekend to yeah salve curious like how that develops.You also mentioned you know, I don't think we need to do shatered much lipservice, but drivel has definitely been a rising for use as well. You mentionedthat you liked it. It's also probably my second favorite deck to play. Rightnow, talk to us a little bit about how thatis developing yeah, I love Drago Politan. I think one of the things thatit does extremely well is snipe. Those sables again I mean we're talking aboutJoltin, being very good into the Italian line and Similarly, with theDragon Paul being able to you know, take out a couple with you know, maybesizin or an Tellioni, their own, who knows, but just being able to controlthe board in a way that few other decks can. So I think that certainly playsinto it. You have a very low maintenance attacker again to energy.You can also do riho things, and that makes it pretty. You know pretty potentthere in the sense that you're not really digging for much. On the firstturn, you don't really need to find any. You know saucers or special energy,like it's all, pretty much there for you on that first term. If you can geta drag, O pull down with an energy, so the low maintenance and the controllingof the board in this centellea heavy metagame, I think, really contribute toit. Now. It's curious, though, like you talk about the development of it, and Idon't want to look too far ahead, but it's just it's interesting to think if,if decks were playing more crowbar instead of an Italian line like wouldwe be seeing this same kind of dominance by these snipe decks? Theanswer might still be yes, but it's just a curious thought to think of yeah, I mean who knew who knew man, youleft us and all of a sudden the snipe was good. Who could have predicted that when you play in to you include Dragopold, I'm assuming you prefer the intelligo version yeah. I do it's Nice,because the one thing about dragon pold is that it does have that kind of lackluster I mean I mean it. Does a hunded a D eighty for two, which is good right,but it just has the lackluster one thirty damage to the active. So if Ican try to buff that you know over a few turns with a couple of Intelli,then I can take a two shot on a then a post. I make sense and when you'respecially against the other maxes right like when you're, not sniping andTelian, know undred and thirty isn't really cutting it. Yeah for sure that you gat thatsupplement for sure so good. So there's a lot of decks out there. Youknow, I would say, there's probably about fifteen decks. That realistically could win a tournament. I mean we'relooking at Decidi, Zash ice writer, Liphon Kelly rex or she both are shevariance I like the single strike or she which we should also talk about,because I know you like cyclic as well. You know you got jolty on Dragon, Paul,sweet UN, Lodi, atturning, Malama Terela, like Sabili stuff, like there'sa lot of decks out there to think about in this metagame. How would you withthat breadth of decks, which is among...

...some of the most viable decks number ofdecks that I remember in my time playing? How would you, knowing that all those decks are outthere? How would you go about picking one for a tournament yeah, it's a fair question. To some extent, I think, like you cango with the Montrer, like you know, just pick your favorite and play yourbest on it and you'll probably see some amount ofsuccess over tournaments. The I think there's going to be somewhat oflike a cyclical Meta game that will see where you know Er. She Fu, I think, is prettydecent against the sweet, coons and the Dragon Pol or not tapus, not the decals,the the Jolt Ions, but then obviously like shadow rider and Dragon Pole isgood against or she fe an. I think, sweete just smacks shadow rider aroundlike it's nothing. So you get these like weird cycles andthen you have decks that kind of fall outside of it. You know you know likethere's Aston dex or your Miscellaneous v Max Dek, so I think that's kind of what we'reheading towards, though, is is a somewhat circular Meta game. I don'tknow, triangle is even the right word because I think there's so manydifferent like points of entry that you could you cur eround shape and I thinkthe the best players are going to sniff out when we're hitting the turning pointson that circle. So so I think right now we're on the cusp of a turning point,as were recording this with Joltin kind of being on the rise, and you know, myguess is: If we record a week from now will be on another's running point yeah.Absolutely. It certainly feels that way. I think for me if I were to choose adeck to head into. I mean, of course, like play the thing that you're mostcomfortable with, and I do think that there is some nuance to the deckselection like. I think that that there are some decisions to be made that canseparate. You know good players from gray por talk about switch. I think oflike playing sylvie on and there's a lot of decisions in that deck as well,and you know obviously rapid strike has some things that it can. Certainly youknow I will play around other. If I had to roll up to. You know online series number fourhundred fifty three and just wanted to pick a deck. I would, I would for sure,takes we couldn't blind right now, yeah, I would agree with you. I would tend toagree with you right, because it's just so so straightforward, so so you'reeasily able to counter what your opponent is trying to do. In most casesand like we said it's that best, you know to prize attackers so you're notattacking with your is one prize man to prize for the new one prizes. I knowthat saying it for years, one prizes are the newest euro prizes.I guess so talk to us a little bit about youknow as we do one last dive into into deck specifics. Let's talk about singlestriker Shifa. Now I made a video and I gave my top tendecks of this new format and I liked single strike more than rapid strike,just due to being able to take those one hit Kos on opponent, opponents of emaxes having that energy acceleration and then the embryon kind of ties itall together, not only for the gusting ability, but also for the weakness, sotaking away that that you know pretty abysmal, match up in shadow atter,cally racks and at least making it reasonable. So what are your thoughtson single strike or she have you played much of it and where do you think it'spositioned right now, yeah? I it's Te Fun to find just one a fairly largetournament with it. He did. I think single strike is a deck thatdefinitely capitalizes on Meta Games hard, so in Dragon, Pol heavy meadowslike first to find, was playing or shadow right or heavy meadows,ironically, the deck kind of thrives. Now, because I think the embryon isjust such an efficient demolisher of these tag. Teams are not tech teams.These v MAXES and I can up them up at will as well. The unround is reallyjust, I think, kind of the glue that the deck needed to know to really becoherent, because now you have like more gusting options will also drawingyour cards. You have alternative weakness, it's just like all the thingsthat single shet kind of lacked before it has easier options to achieve now. So I think I'm around as a hugeaddition to the deck the I think single strike struggles, a lotagainst sweech. To be honest, I think, if I had to say, like one matchup, is just truly not good. It would be that one because you have to fill upyour bench. Your e one, hi CEOS, aren't...

...really super relevant because they'regoing to want hit k o back the trade isn't really there for you, so I think outside of that match up,though it can hit for relevant weakness on a lot of the format, so I definitely wouldn't dissuade youfrom playing it. I think it's best, though, when you can really lean intothe embryon into these psychic V. Max is right, I think that's where the deckshines the most right now, ironically, despite like er she to being kind oflike the cover card for sure yeah, it's cool, it's cool,it's a nice deck that provides a nice option. I think yeah T- and I guess onthe thing that I'll caught to is like the Basic Umbrian. Yes, with a coupleof of this single strike energies charged up on to it, can actually likeone hit Ko other basic vs yeah I mean in the sixty. If you have damage on itright will from the Hound Dom right, and then you get three single strikesyou're doing to twenty at Knox at a weekend. You know that knocks out likeof pretty much every basic Max, except for exactions on Antar, I guess hasjust son Assentive, so yeah I mean there's, definitely some some potentstrengths to the deck. I think it just. It definitely thrives when the DARK WEPOKE MON are out there yeah and then further right. You look at the the basic bear right. The Basic Er fo can also doone hundred and eighty, and then you powered up with at least two of the Imean they both have potential to Gar easily hit two twenty, which is another selling point of thedeck, is that you can kind of trade with the two prizes as a place as usorthree prizes right right, because you can go ahead and do to prizer and thenmaybe a couple of three prizes in back of, and I think what we're going to seeover time is, even though we have this like circular kind of Meta game is thedecks that most consistently are doing. Well are the ones that have those likeoptions available to them. So you know when I think of options. I think ofthings like single strike, where you have a plute of attackers of differentprize tears that you can work with, I think of Speeton, I think of drag apolland jolty on with their sniping. Think of Er, Shivu, single or rapid strike aswell like those are the decks that I think are going to to thrive in thisimmediate post, ocation metagame, because they have the most available tothem with the least resources for sure yeah. That's good analysis.Are there any one prize tex that you favor favor, I can think of. I can think ofthree off the top of my head that I would consider you know those three being what Malamartist a dry and and regin ego regie Drago. Yes, yes,very good yeah! I had it in my head. I just couldn't think it was the anthingis called or I guess we have ten types sayingwheezing as well. I guess so that makes four, but then you kind of think ofleaving as being played more with same sable. I so I will include it for now,because there's really a dearth of single prize attackers but yeah any ofthose ex any of the single prize decks yeah an they have like the classicsingle prize conundrum of like being a little bit inconsistent, but I don't hate them either like Ilike Malabar a lot last format like I just like playing it, and I think it'sstill fun to play. I think if this power sealing is really high, I think,as the engines get more and more fined, I think now Mars, probably one of myfavorite single price sex because of the uncapped damage. One thing I don't like about the ReggieDrago deck is that against Temax is, if you don't hit cost they can kind ofjust like retreat around you forever until they get to an advantage. IsEnough Board state where it doesn't matter if you're getting the two shotyeah, especially if they place or Ol goodness,but Mal Mars won? Have that same problem because you can get the oneshot yeah, it's kind of funny that they're both both those decks right or,I guess all one prize decks in general, but those two specifically like arereally weak to rapid striker Shafou but kind of in different ways. Right solike the rapatries Fu can just knock out to Malama and then it should bepretty good to go from there and then it can. It doesn't take the rapidstrike. Deck doesn't take knockouts against the Reggiano deck, but it canleave to Reggie Drago, essentially doing zero damage on the board rightand that's right, almost a Damans yeah, so just kind of funny. So basically,what I'm hearing Riley is that one prizes are not viable. I D N, Idon't think not Piabinha the right word and I think they have their good match.UPS. I think if I had to pick one prizer, I would pick I Mamar, because Ilike the one shot potential. I like the...

...type thing on it. It just seems likethe best one to me Ye an I don't know if I love the other ones. To be honest,I don't really like Reggie Dago that much I I would not play Decidi reallyright now, while there's so many Italians floating around yeah, that'scertainly hard for it and I haven't played the wheezing sable. I deckenough to speak to it Gotch, but I do think now: Aris, okay, like Mal Mars,actually one of the decks that I don't like to play against when I play sweeton sure, true, which is saying something because pretty mucheverything that a fee against you like, yeah good. So all right. So we talked aboutyou, know kind of what Dex we like. Let's talk a little bit about the Metagame as a whole and just having so many decks. So there's a little bit of a tiff on the twitter spirit. LittleSweeter about a people not liking the game, because there are so many decksand you know kind of a criticism of the game. Being you know diverse as opposedto healthy. Let me just pull up the Zol tweet that I think crystallizes thisconversation saying Ho my tg players express how much they are enjoying theformat and that they like how diverse it is, and then all of these scroogecome out of the wood work with diversity doesn't equal healthy andthere have been better formats. He finishes off very in an only a way that,as wil could do like come on, bro Go take a walk. So basically, what Azol is saying hereis that there are a wide, I think, a wide player base thatis enjoying what is happening right now with the game, but then there's always kind of thisdescent on like well, you know back when I played like this old format wasbetter or just because there's a lot of decks doesn't necessarily mean it's agood game. So do you have any kind of thoughts on on the health of the formatand, if ever, a n on the situation, I think I think a duel has a very good point inthe fact that there is like a non insignificantportion of like online people who don't necessarily even play pokemon art likeadjacent to the community. You just like hate when people like the gamelike and like we'll do anything to make sure they their opinion is heard abouthow much they don't like the game, regardless of whether they've played inthe last three years or not yeah, and that's not even like at a specificperson. There's like multiple people who do this to the the other thing now is. I think thereis a valid point that, like diverse, doesn't necessarily equate one to onewith healthy, although I don't think the point was like a necessarily being. I don't know honestly is the right wordbut like it wasn't being made in like earnest, it wasn't being made. You know not like ulterior motive tolike a short lot, but I don't think it necessarily means like one to one thatyour format is healthy. There are plenty of like really good formats thathave very centralized Meta Games. I don't necessarily think this formatis unhealthy, though I think what it's majorly missing is like come back kindof cards. You know with a recent stampin and andboth gone there's, definitely a gap, that's being felt, and we felt this gapbefore a couple years ago, where we only had like judges,disruption and that just really wasn't doing the job. But I think, at the end of the day,what determines if a format is good, not necessarily healthy, but good, isif people are enjoying the game, and I think right now, after coming out oflike a very centralized like year and two years were like ABPwas like one of the best ex for for so so long right, and you know Peter on was good for so solong or I I was good for so so long and like seeing all of these alternative,strates and decks, even if they're kind of similar in their framer, they allplay kind of differently. They all have their own little style and nuance andpeople like that. A lot and I can't help them for that. It's a lot of funright now, so I think, like to a certain extent. Agame doesn't have to be healthy to be a good game, and so a game doesn't holdon expound on that a little bit a game doesn't have to be healthy to be a goodgame. What it! What do you mean by that, like a game, can be completelyimbalanced and fun to play and enjoyable and that's what's a good game?Right is a game that people like to...

...play right. Okay, and I don't thinkpokemon is like completely imba either it's just it's, not the healthiestmetagame ever because of the flaws that I outlined, but it's a lot of fun and Ilike playing right now, which is something that I struggled to likeconsistently say over the last year. So I can't really complain about it. Youknow yeah, I hear you, I hear you yeah, that's good! That's good! To you know!It's good for our listeners here is like just, I think, have an opinion. Iguess on this kind of stuff, but like if other people say things that aredissenting like. Don't let that take away from your your enjoyment- or, Iguess, lack thereof of the game. You know yeah for Real, though like and at theend of the day you know do what makes makes you happy well that if you thinkpokemon is kind of gone down, the gutter, no one fort seem to keep lyingeither, and even if you think it's the best, it's been in the last three yearsthen enjoy that and don't let the people who don't feel the same way takeaway from your experience. You do bring up a really good point. There is a lackof comeback mechanic, and that is what I would say is as well like the biggestproblem problem quote unquote problem with the game, because I kind of sharea similar mindset to use I'm enjoying what I'm seeing. You know. They clearlydesigned this block this sword, an shield block like as its own thingright like I was never really meant to be played with on a moon or anythingprior necessarily, so they did a good job of like balancing it against itself.I think, except for that comeback mechanic. So what do you think could make the game like? What's the one cardthat you would want to see return in order to create a war, balanced formatin the sense of comeback potential, and I think it's almost loaded questionthe answers and for sure okay, if I think it and as rockets adamantwas in the format, it would pretty much resolved the health issue quickly.Really I that's just so interesting. I because I keep hearing and I mightactually say, recens Tam, I think RESA TAMP is a finealternative. What I like about and is that you are forced to draw as well, so you don't get those like insane solike M provised consistency in the early game and destruction and Lakamba,it's also like, if you're using it to disrupt you're, also not like bossingor things like that so like and let's Ye plan your games more in a way thatreset stamp had like you know, I'm going to boss reset stamp you and yeah, and then I get maybe a couple ofturns and if you don't draw out of it, then I can yea even aside like drawingout of it. Like you know, I'm going to Bostra tamp now, if you don't have bossin the one card, like I wan or whatever like situations, and I feel like andlike yeah it takes such suppeton. I morebidirectional interaction yeah. I never really thought about it like that,because I was thinking of it more like okay, if you're going to play resetstamp in your deck, because I feel you I've been on the receiving ends ofnumerous ends in my day that didn't go my way and just thinking of it as like.Oh Man, I wish they didn't. Have this card, but like reset stamp, felt alittle better to me in the sense that you know it was a pretty much a deadcard for the majority of the game right, so that was the balancing factor isyou're going to play this kind of middling card. That really didn't doanything turn. I don't think this like an invalid school of thought, eitherright. So I definitely fall more into the endpool, but I would say like really, either of those being in the formatwould kind of fix the the Comeback Problem M. Do you think we would stillhave marty be played if an Wan in certain decks probably insignificant if it was andprobably very much less, but I could see ducks that maybe stillwant to play Marni? What Martin provides the end doesn't is it provideslike very hard early game disruption and it's raw dig, whereas an is shuffledraw which shuffle draw and if you've been playing Pokmon for all you knowthe Shule Bra, freaking sucks, sometimes yeah, you can draw the samecards. Oh Man, I played this shuffle card and I drew the cards that I had inmy hand already. I was like with Marni, like yeah you're, only drawing fivecars, but you're digging five cards right like yeah, which there'ssomething to be said for that Ye for sure so index that, like maybe justreally want to come, how come hard out of the gates. Early kind of situationlike Marni might fit better yeah right and like get a little bit moredisruption on the opponent right, yeah, and then you first turn then you'regiving them seven essential. Well, six and drawand o ther e right versus five,so interesting things think about we...

...probably won't get and any time soon,although we are getting ultra ball, so never say never Al Shaban and are likea a mash maid in heaven to I think so. Yeah I love the ultramarineand that's not because I own ten secret rare, but it's not not er, not no, all right! Well, speaking of speakingof pokemon cards, I think we have a card of the day. Rightly Oh, we certainly do so. Did vow, I'mgoing to read a poke dex entry and if you can guess the card, I will donatetwenty dollars to a charity of your choice. Let's go the domino. The JDominos Charity. That's right! That's right! So the cotes entry for this Pokemon itemits a psychic power, strong enough to cause headaches as a deterrent to theapproach of others. Oh, I've definitely read this one too thinker its psychochemical, something aboutheadaches, psychic power, the mits psychic power, strong enough to causeheadaches as a deterrent to the approach of others. I mean I reallywant to say Siu, but that seems too simple. Okay, I'm going to say Esper O it is not Esper. It is hatering Hetera! That's right that theheadache I it can apply to quite a few psychic O. that's true! That's true!That's kind of like your whole hialti. Not your choice is so the car today forthis week is Haverin from rebel clash. Has the mind hat ability once duringyour turn, you can have each player just card a card. A lot of people tryto make this work with like duty disruption, text super hot, raises handyeah, and it has the dripping gruge attack where you can just place adamage counter somewhere on the board or sorry on the actual Pokemon for eachbook Mon. Your Pontis is car Pilo, so not great, mostly, is the pensier thatuse the ability for and what's interesting about how to ring it of youknow, What's interesting that hatering like lower wise or yeah war wise, Ihaven't, I didn't play that Ganbrook and play that Cambro had to read hishis refer. Hat and dress, like appearance is entirely made out of hair, no way, that's right, which brings me into oursponsor for this week's episode. If you don't want to end up like Hatarisupport for tag team, this week is brought to you by none other thanManscapes, who is the best in men's below the waist grooming. Mancateoffers precision, engineer tools for your family jewels and we just launchedtheir first fourth generation trimmer the lanoo pool. Yes, four point outdoing the two point: one million people over worldwide who trust manscapes withthis exclusive offer through tag team. If you go to their website and put inthe code tag team, that's tag, team and Manscapes, you can get twenty percentoff site wide, yeah and free shipping. So, like an free shipping ye watching,I know it's crazy. I, like I'm the kind of dude that just used a disposablerazor like have like put off for the longest time, buying an electrictrimmer and then manscapes hit us up and I've actually gotten a few. Other kind of like brand ran deals, but I waslike they don't really make a lot of sense for us, but this one I was likeyeah. This seems like something that Riley and I would actually use but yeah. I don't think like if thisthing ever breaks, which I don't think it does, I will never go back to adisposable razor like I actually, okay, so it's so funny. I swear to you theweek before manscapes out to me I'd like cut myself, Oi'm, not making thatup and it sucked for like two days but yeah. Well, I went through a phase werekind of like my. My region was looking like a hateringand I had gone through. I'd tried to do my own kind of grooming. With you knowmy face, raiser, which a kind of weird yeah did not end up. Well for the partnersdown theree, and so when manscapes sent...

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...something new because I feel like what's happenedwith other games. Is that the parent company, like makes it right so likemagic arena is made by wizards of the coast. I believe- and somebody can factcheck me that, but I'm pretty sure it's made by wizards of the coast, whereasnow pg O is made by Dyer Wolf Right. So that's not that's a another companythat pokemon hired to make this game yeah. We like to current, make thecurrent game right. So I suspect it's a new client just becauseI would I would imagine pokemon at this point like wants to just own everythingright. It doesn't want to send it out to another party like I just want toown all the I don't know Ip surrounding it and likeall the code, they wanted to be their own and and it makes it a little moreagile if they have to fix a problem. I'd imagine I don't know right, but I'dimagine it makes it a little easier to fix problems and bugs and stuff. So Iwould expect the new client now that said, I would also say don't get any hopes up,because if it is a pokemon products like BOK MON official product, thiswould be their first time doing this right. So we don't, I wouldn't say, not to beexcited. I would just say, keep expectations low, as I just generallytend to do. That's something or keep them alow, but keep them sai mean yeah.I don't know, I don't know just like just erasable the saying I even what iskind of pesisted. That's that's seriously like my wife's, like tag lineis like keep your expectations low because then, if it's amazing will be super surprised and happy andthen, if it's like good will be we'll still be happy right, like you know, ifit's, if it's a dumpster fire, then okay, you can't you know I'm going tokeep my expectations higher than a dumpster fire right, but I'm going tokeep them low so that I'm surprised and happy no matter what happens. I guesswhen I, when I hear, keep your exhortations low. I hear Dumpster Fire Yeah. I guess that's, what's a partedupon me, that's the message you leave with me his doster fire. What that's dad, I think my inclination is, is some sortof new rebranded CG O. I don't think it'llbe the exact parallel. I mean it might even be taking the framework andupdating some futures or like making it more usable or something like that. ButI do think it'll be something relatively new and I could becompletely wrong and again, I think, keep the Feber expectations realistic as well. You know don't necessarily expect theworld and be disappointed when you get what you get you know. What doyou think would like give me like a top two or three things, that if pokemondoes this in the new client like assuming you know, everything worksright like assuming all the cards work, and you know what are the top like twoor three things that if they implement these, you would consider it to be asuccess or like you would you would be happywith the result right, I guess yeah I mean outside of like general, likeperformance enhancements and things like that, like actual, like notablelike net new kind of enhancements, I would I would love for there to be kindof like a better visual feel for the game. Like you know, you have intera and heart stone andarena that all have these like gorgeous looking games when you play them onlineand go does not even compare in that front.I would love other to be like better animations and just again to feel nicerto play. I would also love for there to be more customization options in terms ofespecially like games of friends like how you could set those up therules that you want to apply things like that. I would be so much fun oreven like applying different rules or different formats like that weren't.Initially, the rules would be really cool, and then I think I think theobvious one that any one of would say is a rank ladder yeah. I think that just about nails, ayeah, it would be really cool if they did some kind of we got a comment in thechat here be cool if they branded with POKEMON IP instead of random, likeplayable characters right so like a yeah yeah like instead of Nathan likewhat, if we had Leon, he lleve Nathan out of him, nothing wrong with Nathan, but you knowthe very cool if we had like you, know brock in the game right like that wouldjust be. It is kind of weird that there's like no pokmon characters. Itdoesn't really make sense like if you think about it. I I haven't thoughtabout it before yeah. Why don't we have...

...you know instead of the early like? Whyisn't it literally the gym leaders like that be so gas like and literally everyother or or they like make up a gym leaderright right, know or like these professors. Characters in the contextof the game were just dudes. You play Po, I mean same right, but I don't want to see myself in thecharacters. I want to see something cool yeah, that's which, like a rightyeah, which is definitely not us, lie antithetical to each other. I definitely want to see a baddy like avillain. Oh not like a not like a hot chick likea villain. No, no, no like it well come on. I I'm already married to thehottest chick a lime bar it up rare. No, so I do T I don'tneed any more of that. But yeah like a loot. Is that what you're saying yeahstory mode, yeah, yeah, deb Dope Story MoD? That's not the that's not thelittle! You know what do they call it trainer challenges or something itwould be cool. This is like pie in the sky, but it'd be cool if there werelike some kind of secret, like Konami Code that you could put in, and itwould launch the game boy. Color Dave in the client bro go you're, getting mea little excited now that that is like way way out there, but that would be socruel, yeah for sure. I think there's a lot of very interesting stuff. They cando with the client. I would agree with you if they had maybe not necessarily updated graphicsbut like enhanced graphics like if they kept the same e, O, better userexperience, yeah yeah exactly like, I think that would be, and that mighteven be kind of like base level. For me, you know if they changed nothing aboutPG o, but they made it look like magic arena like that's an insane game. Youknow what I mean, but we'll see we'll see just whathappens because again, this is their first time allegedly taking over thissort of project right like Pokmon, well, yeah the card game at least right. Theyhave a lot of other a lot of other stuff that they is pokemon first everfor abject yeah, but now first iterations can sometimes be alittle rocky. So again, I'm going to say keep the expectations. Low Riley would say, keep the expectations. What average meter realistic to him ina realistic like the word low, just evokes poorness tome, like it doesn't evoke good yeah. That, and that's I mean that's actuallywhat I'm saying like keep them low right like expect the worst and thenanything that's above the world in you should expect the worst like some fatyeah. So we'll see we'll see. I'm I mean this and all this is likespeculation on speculation right, because I anything I think I willspecta. We don't even know if we're going to see anything this weekend, butit's kind of Nice to think about it. I mean we know we're getting pizza. CGLive. We know that there's this date that it had like we're, probably goingto get it by the end of the year. So what better time to showcase it then right and if it's areally local event in conjunction with fuse and strike. You know based on likethe leagues, they have to announce it soon, because that's like a Novemberrelease and we're almost over yeah yeah. So I think yeah. Anotherthing that I want to make sure that you know the I would love to have happenedis some way to port over the cards I mean it seems like the it'll be a itseems, like they'll still be using a code system right, because there isthat code. You know that was on the League of the g live. So that's, Ithink another big thing for me and other players. If we had to start over,though, and like we got all the other things we asked for, I would I wouldhoves y be fine with it, but we'll see what they end up doing there. So Yeahconsolate, very cool, well great episode, Riley. I think that's going todo it for us today. Everybody check out manscapes one last time, manscapes tagteam and we will catch you guys in another week, because we are thelongest running and most consistent, podcast out there for POKMON tradingcard game. So what that said, you can find us on somesocials Riley. Why don't you take us through those yeah? Absolutely you canfind us on twitter as our primary former social media. You can find me atsmiles of RILES J W at Real John Walter and the podcast at tag team, Pokan andif you ever want to catch us, live we record weekly on one of ws in mychannels, usually on mine when I'm not in Richmond Virginia, not rich Men,York, H and that's going to be tritavus...

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