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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 4, Episode 3 · 9 months ago

4-3. Evolving Guys

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Riley and JW talk about the ever evolving format, a brand new sponsorship, and speculation about PTCG LIVE. Join in the fun in another exciting episode!

Welcome back everybody to tag team, the POKEMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. I'm JW CREEWALL and I'm joined by my good, good friend Riley Hulbert. Riley, how are you doing? I'm thriving. Man. If you're watching this visually, you might notice I'm out of my normal locale'. On site here and in Beautiful Richmond, Virginia. Not Richmond, exciting, Not New York. Yeah, huge contentious debate between JW and I. Well, I he said he was in Richmond and then as like I just was supposed to assume that that was a Richmond Virginia and not Richmond New Jersey. No, New York, I although I'm sure there's a Richmond New Jersey. I mean it could be richmond anything. I mean I think there's like a Richmond Michigan. This is interesting. Is like one of those name you know, like Richmond Ontario. Oh, there's definitely a Richmond Ontario. Yeah, for sure. Like kind of messed up to assume. Yeah, true, true, I know. So when you say Richmond, just be a little more more specific. Right. So how are things going over there? It's good, it's good. You know, we're on site working with one of our clients and it's gone very well so far. This week I would say I made a lot of progress. I just came back from like a bowling outage with some of the the epic team that's on site here and I did win the first round and get second place in the second round. Not to bucks, but you know, I had a good time out there and now I'm here in hotel. Love it hanging out. What what hotel do they put you at? Are We on h how long are you there for? I'm actually leaving tomorrow afternoon. Okay, so do you get to chill in the morning or what's the no, I was just talking about this in my peers. I go into the going to the clients office for like three hours tops and then bail, Dang, and then I'm flying the rest of the day. Okay, nice, Nice, cool. Well, I'm going to be in Wisconsin this weekend. Yeah, what's you up to? Friends? Wedding? There you go. I'm actually going to be in Madison. Are you I thought, yeah, the last time you're in Wisconsin you're on like the opposite side of yeah, I was kind of yeah, I was kind of up north a little bit. Minute, minute, Qua Qua. Yeah, well, I'm sure you'll be plenty busy, but if you have time, let's let's make something happen. Yeah, it's I mean, I don't I don't really know the schedule. My wife knows the schedule. All the married men out there, you feel me right, it's like, Oh man, we're leaving in two days and no idea what's going on. They're digging a hole for us all out here. True. True. So, anyway, we got a lot of poke to discuss, don't we? We got plenty of Pope to discuss, that is for sure. So why don't we start with the standard format? There's been a lot of intrigue in terms of the sheer number of decks and that is caused a little bit of a disgruntled fan base. But we'll get to that in a second. But let's just talk generally about what we think are some of the better decks of this new format. Yeah, absolutely it. This format like almost menacingly reflects the tweet that I made a couple of months ago where I like just pick your favorite v Max, play it with Indelia into it, Koh each other. Yeah, like that's like actually aviable strategy at this point. It feels like, however, my favorite deck by a wide margin right now, just in terms of I really enjoy playing it and is very good. Is We con not a e Max. Sweet coon offers so many options in a given turn. You have the draw with the fleet footed on the sweet coon, you have the searching with the Intelli online and you have the burst damage with the Ludy Kolo. I mean it just has like the whole package there and it's kind of shown that to be true as well. It's consistently doing well at these events. I mean I really think right now, in the current snapshot of the Metagame as of today, that's sweet coon is the deck to be well. It's really also, you know, the only viable to prize deck outside, I like Josh and Pambas on to decks, right. Yeah, and it's lower maintenance than Josh in right, like you can just melanie attached and you're good to go. And if you do that one turn or so, you can doesn't get knocked out. Then all of a sudden, like your head and attachments and you can get a swee coon one out of two powered up and then you're streaming, right. You don't have to worry the rest of the game. Yeah, the Nice thing about the wee coon is, I mean, the underrated ability. I feel like the draw is like so good,...

...you know, just to get that extra car to turn. I think is something that a lot of people just kind of gloss over as why they would play this weekend deck. But it's really nice to just draw card. I mean there were decks in the past that I remember. Do you remember this? It was a it was like a little I think it was Audino, and when it was active you could draw hard. Yeah, Caleb, late it and is you'll see deck. Yeah, it was, I mean and that was a card that saw so I mean not a lot of play, but like it saw some play because you could have, you know, that ability activated right like once a turn and like you know, now you have it on a viable attacker. That's awesome. And then, like you said, the low maintenance, you know, just swinging turn after turn, makes it really easy to you know, stream those attacks. So yeah, so I mean the deck is fine. It gives you of options and I think between those factors, like the fact it's fun and so good, will draw a lot of people to it. So as more people like start picking up the deck, it's going to increase and increase in popularity. So it just I think it has a huge target on his back right now. You should be thinking about it. Some things to consider when you're looking at beats. We coun tool scrapper, I think, is a car that will start to see more play than scape of toughness is actually huge. It saves this weekend so many times from being knocked out. Yeah, I like tool. I like tool scrapper as a as a card, like if we're talking about cards that are on the uptrend, like I would say that and maybe crushing hammer and if you other things, but and that's those. Another thing it's going to speaking too, is it's kind of resilient against crushing hammer because it's so low maintenance. Yeah, there is so much going for it. I also say, like getting back to fleet footed, what I really like about that ability to is it's the one card like when you choose to draw it is kind of a nuance decision. Yeah, for sure, for sure. You know, like whether you're looking for a specific thing or you just want to draw an extra cards around out your turn, or if you're trying to draw multiple combo pieces and like when you use it in relation to your search and your Italians and stuff it. It's like those little micro decisions that I really enjoy when I play the game. You know, surprised that these are our player like likes to it be new loss of when they draw their cards. Sure, I can't, even though there's like so many good things going for let's talk about some other decks, though. Yeah, another deck that's on the rise, and I feel like it's almost in response is the Joelty on deck. Jbdu the experience with that one. Yeah, Joel ty on. I haven't played it yet because the Joltians are a little bit expensive on phcg. I mean that's like the only deck that I haven't built yet out of evolving skies. But I've seen Andrew played a number of times. I've seen a number of other streamers play it. You know, as it will, likes it a lot too. So I feel like I have a, you know, good enough base. Right. I've probably watched enough hours of it to know, you know, truly how it plays and stuff. But I like the deck. I mean I think it's really fun. Right now we're seeing a lot of these snipe decks that are just maybe not dominating the format but but certainly stepping into the light here. So that and drag a pult, you know, are two decks that I really enjoy. Just the snipe is so good. You have a lot of decks that are playing the Inteli on engine. I think that's one thing that Joel Tian does quite well is prey on those decks. Takes the suckers off. So Joel ty on low maintenance to I think it's one of those decks that I also feel like hasn't been fully like it's not perfected yet, and because I could see maybe a bigger like Cheryl sort of heel, you know. Yeah, I mean that elemental bad is really good. Yeah, like if you just played like for elemental badge, because I think a lot of the decks that I've been seeing your playing three, two or three and then what maybe one Cherrel, if they're playing it at all. But maybe there's some kind of strategy there to you know, Cheryl a little bit more often, play a higher account of elemental badge and really get that Combo off where the Joel to on just doesn't go down. Yeah, that that Joel found deck can be really brutal if you're if you're like not in Ergy Food Dec Yeah, yeah, Oh, for wadering, it's like super unfortunate. About the JOLTYON is. It has that three hundred hit points, which is just not great when you're against the Er she three that hits you for one hundred and fifty. Yeah, that's really tough to overcome. I wish there was some kind of you know, weakness Card or policy or something, but I guess if you're playing you know, weakness policy, then you can't play arguably one of the best tools in the game right now. So it's tough there. Yeah, and like weakness card is in the format correct. So the problem, though, is it doesn't work with elemental badge because elemental badge provis the colorless. Yeah, so you need the lightning. So it's just like the synergy just isn't there. Right, so you just kind of folds Ergi food, but on the...

...flip side, well, the but the weakness card energy is not in informat. Sorry, just to okay, are you M was pretty lost unified minds, but it did have a secret rare, so that's that's maybe what you're thinking about. Oh, yeah, you're totally right. So that being said, though, it wouldn't work really anyway. Of course. The what I was getting at, though, is that she feels also kind of all the downward trend. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Rapid strike or she foot? And what do you think played into that, JW? Is it just the psychic prevalence? Well, I think psychic. And then you also think about just that orsha food can't really put pressure on any of the main decks outside of you know, maybe jolte on right, like it's not one shotting anything the turn it is his presence has died down, so it's not really hitting anything for big damage again outside of the Joel Te on. So I feel like, you know, you're kind of losing that that punch maybe, yeah, the the Ersha Food Punch, and then the classic Erge Foot Punch. And then you have, you know, you have psychic types that are getting, you know better, right, you have Sylvian, you have shadow out or Calie REX, which just hasn't really gone anywhere, and then you also have dragon puled. So it's like it's kind of a rough format for it currently, not that it's necessarily a terrible deck, but it's kind of on the down trend because the flavor of recent weeks has been more psychic focused. You See, I'm really interested as well, and we should make this a specific talking point, is, like where do we think things will go in the coming weeks, because we see these decks like we coon and and jolts on like on the up trend. And I would say she fee is. Know, obviously it's good in adults, but I think it's kind of good in this week and to yeah, so I be curious like how that develops. You also mentioned you know, I don't think we need to do shadowy or much lip service. The Dragon Bolt has definitely been a rising force as well. You mentioned that you liked it. It's also probably my second favorite deck to play right now. Talk to us a little bit about how that is developing. Yeah, I love drag a Paulton. I think one of the things that it does extremely well is snipe those sobbles. Again, I mean we're talking about jolty on being very good into the Italian line and similarly with the Dragon Paul being able to, you know, take out a couple with, you know, maybe zigzagoons or then telling on of their own, who knows, but just being able to control the board in a way that few other decks can. So I think that certainly plays into it. You have a very low maintenance attacker, again to energy. You can also do ry Han things. That makes it pretty, you know, pretty potent there in the sense that you're not really digging for much on the first turn. You don't really need to find any you know, saucers or special energy like. It's all pretty much there for you on that first turn if you can get a drag a pole down with an energy. So the low maintenance and the controlling of the board in this and tellion heavy Meta game, I think, really contribute to it. Now it's curious, though, like you talked about the development of it, and I don't want to look too far ahead, but it's just it's interesting to think if if decks were playing more crow that based draw instead of an Italian line like, would we be seeing this same kind of dominance by these snipe decks? The answer might still be yes, but it's just a curious thought to think of. Yeah, I mean, who knew? Who Knew? Man, you left us and all the sudden snife is good. Who could have predicted that when you play in Toil you can play dragon poled. I'm assuming you prefer the Intellian version. Yeah, I do. It's nice because the one thing about Dragon Paul does that it does have that kind of lackluster I mean it does one hundred and eighty four two, which is good right, but it just has the lackluster one thirty damage to the active. So if I can try to buff that, you know, over a few turns with a couple of Italians, then I can take a two shot on a then oppose only make sense. And when you're especially against the other v Max's right, like when you're not sniping and telling ONS, you know, thirty isn't really cutting it. Yeah, for sure, to supplement, for sure. So good. So there's a lot of decks out there, you know. I would say there's probably about fifteen decks that realistically could win a tournament. I mean we're looking at Decidu I zash and ice rider leaf. You on Callie REX or she. Both are she variance. I like the single strike or she, which we should also talk about, because I know you like circle strike as well. You know you got joelty on Dragon Poult Sucuon looty, it turn it is Sylvia Malamar. They're a Lud on, like Sab a life, stuff like. There's a lot of decks out there to think about in in this metagame. How would you with that breadth of decks, which is among some of...

...the most viable decks, number of decks that I remember in my time playing? How would you, knowing that all those decks are out there, how would you go about picking one for a tournament? Yeah, IT'S A it's a fair question to some extent. I think, like you can go with the Montra, like you know, just pick your favorite and play your best on it and you'll probably see some amount of success over tournaments. The I think there's going to be somewhat of like a cyclical metagame. That will see where. You know, Er she foo, I think is pretty decent against this week unders in, the drag a pull or not dreck Poles, not the direct worlds, the the Joltians, but then obviously like shadow rider and dragon pult is good against Herci Fu, but thence I, I think, Swecun just smacks shadow rider around like it's nothing. So you get these like weird cycles and then you have deck that kind of fall outside of it. Yeah, you know, like there's Ash and decks R Miscellaneous v Max decks Um. So I think that's kind of what we're heading towards, though, is is this somewhat circular Meta game. I don't know if triangles even the right words. I think there's so many different like points of entry that you could all you can sure re round shape and I think the best players are going to sniff out when we're hitting the turning points on that circle show. So I think right now we're on the cusp of a turning point, as were recording this, which all teon kind of being on the rise. And you know, my guess is if we record a week from now, will be on another running point. Yeah, absolutely, it certainly feels that way. I think for me, if I were to choose a deck to head into, I mean, of course, like play the thing that you're most comfortable with, and I do think that there is some nuance to the deck selection. Like I think that that there are some decisions to be made that can separate, you know, good players from great players. Truck about Swe coon. I think of like playing sylvion and there's a lot of decisions in that deck as well. And you know, obviously rapid strike has some things that it can certainly, you know, I will say, play around other if I had to roll up to you know, online series number four hundred fifty three and just wanted to pick a deck, I would. I would for sure it takes we coon blind right now. Yeah, I would agree with you. I would tend to agree with you right because it's just so, so straightforward. So so you're easily able to to counter what your opponent is trying to do in most cases. And, like we said, it's that best, you know, to prize attacker, so you're not attacking with your prises. One Prize man to prize you of the new one prizers. I know that's saying it. For years one prizes or the new is zero prizers. I guess I thought. So talk to us a little bit about, you know, as we do one last dive into into deck specifics, let's talk about single strik or Shuffo. Now I made a video and I gave my top ten decks of this new format and I liked single strike more than rapid strike just due to being able to take those one hit Kos on opponent, Opponents v Max's, having that energy acceleration, and then the Umbrian kind of ties it all together, not only for the gusting ability but also for the weakness. So taking away that that, you know, pretty abysmal matchup in shadow out or Calias and at least making it reasonable. So what are your thoughts on single strike or she have you played much of it and where do you think it's positioned right now? Yeah, because I I stefan steffind just want to barely large tournament he did. I think single strike is a deck that definitely capitalizes on metagames hard, so in drag a pulled heavy metas like where Stefan was playing, or shadow rider heavy Metas. Ironically, the deck kind of thrives now because I think the umbreyon is just such an efficient demolisher of these tag teams, or not tag teams, These v Maxs andking coups them up at will as well. The umbround is really just, I think, kind of the glue that the deck needed to to really be coherent, because now you have like more gusting options while also drawing your cards, you have alternative weakness. It's just like all the things that single strick kind of lacked before. It has easier options to achieve now. So I think I'm around is a huge addition to the deck. The I think single strikes struggles a lot against sue coon. To be honest. I think if I had to say like one matchup is just truly not good, it would be that one, because you have to fill up your bench. Your one...

...hit Chos aren't really super relevant because they're going to want hit a back. The trade isn't really there for you. So I think outside of that matchup, though, it can hit for relevant weakness on a lot of the format. So I definitely wouldn't dissuade you from playing it. I think it's best, though, when you can really lean into the umbreyon into these Psychic v Max is right. I think that's where the deck shines the most right now, ironically, despite like hers she food, being kind of like the cover car. For sure. Yeah, it's cool. It's cool. It's a nice deck that provides a nice option. I think yeahs that, and I guess one thing that I'll call it to is like the the basic umbry on yes, with a couple of of the single strike energies charged up onto it can actually like one hit Ko other basic V's. Yeah, I mean it needs sixty. If you have damage on it right, will from the hound doom, right, and then you get three single strikes, you're doing twenty. That knocks out of speaking, you know. That knocks out like a pretty much every basic v Max except for like exhostion and Zamasana Art, I guess, just just Sasana. So yeah, I mean there's definitely some some potent strengths to the deck. I think it just it definitely thrives when the dark week pokemon are out there. Yeah, and then further right, you look at the basic bear right, the basic bear foom can also do one hundred and eighty. And then you powered up with at least two of the I mean they both have potential to very easily hit to twenty, which is another selling point of the deck is that you can kind of trade with the two prisers as a pleases, using your three prizers right right, because you can go ahead and do to priser and then maybe a couple of three prizers in backups. And I think what we're going to see over time is, even though we have this like circular kind of Metagame, is the decks that most consistently are doing well are the ones that have those like options available to them. So, you know, when I think of options, I think of things like single strike, where you have a plethora of attackers of different prize tears that you can work with. I think of Specuon, I think of Drag A, pold and jolte on with their sniping. Think of Ershifu, single or rapid strike as well. Like those are the decks that I think are going to thrive in this immediate post rotation metagame because they have the most available to them with the least resources. For sure. Yeah, that's good analysis. Are there any one prize decks that you favor? Favor, I can think of I can think of three off the top of my head that I would consider, you know, those three being what Malamar, decidry and and Reggie Dragger, Raggie Drag, oh, yes, yes, very good. Yeah, I had it in my head as couldn't think of what thank thing is called for. I guess we have ten type saying wheezing as well, I guess. So that makes for but then you kind of think of wheezing as being played more with savant sable eye. So I will include it for now because there's really a dearth of single prize attackers. But yeah, any of those sex any of the single prize attacks. Yeah, and they have like the classic single prize conundrum of like being a little bit inconsistent. But I don't hate them either. Like I liked Malamar a lot last format. Like I is like playing it and I think it's still fun to play. I think it's power ceiling is really high. Think as the engines get more and more refined. I think Alamar's probably one of my favorite single prize decks because of the uncapped damage. Yeah, one thing I don't like about the Reggie Drago deck is that against v Max's, if you don't hit gost they can kind of just like retreat around you forever, HMM, until they get to an advantage. Is Enough Board state where it doesn't matter if you're getting the two shot. Yeah, especially if they play share all goodness. But Malamr's have that same problem because you can get the one shot. Yeah, it's kind of funny that they're both both those decks right, or, I guess, all one prize decks in general, but those two specifically like are really weak to rapid strikershifuo, but kind of in different ways, right. So, like the rapid striker's food can just knock out to Malamar and then it should be pretty good to go from there. And then it can. It doesn't take the rapid strike deck, doesn't take knockouts against the Reggie Drago deck, but it can leave to Reggie Drago, essentially doing zero damage on the board, right, and that's right, almost a statlementars and stuff. Yeah, yeah, so it's just kind of funny. So basically what I'm hearing, Riley, is that one prizers are not viable. I don't I don't think not viable is the right word and I think they have their good matchups. I think if I had to pick a one prizer, I would pick Nolamar because I like the the one shot potential, I like...

...the typing on it. It just seems like the best one to me. I don't know if I love the other ones. To be honest. I don't really like Reggie Jaggar that much. I would not play to s ju I really right now, while there's so many Italians floating around. Yeah, that's certainly hard for it and I haven't played the wheezing sable iy deck enough to speak to it. Gotcha, but I do think now mar's okay. Like Mal Mar's actually one of the decks that I don't like to play against when I play seekon sure, sure, which is saying something, because verty much everything that I feel against you you like yeah, good, so all right. So we talked about, you know, kind of what dectuly like. Let's talk a little bit about the metagame as a whole and just having so many decks. So there's a little bit of a tiff on the twitter, spired old tweeter about, yeah, people not liking the game because there are so many decks and, you know, kind of a criticism of the game being, you know, diverse as opposed to healthy. Let me just pull up the Zuol tweet that I think crystallizes this conversation, saying pokemon TCG players express how much they are enjoying the form and that they like how diverse it is, and then all of these screwges come out of the woodwork with diversity doesn't equal healthy and there have been better formats. He finishes off very in an only a way. That is we could do like come on bro go take a walk. So basically, what Isil was saying here is that there are a wide, I think a wide player base that is enjoying what is happening right now with the game, but then there's always kind of this descent on like well, you know, back when I played, like this old format was better, or just because there's a lot of decks doesn't necessarily mean it's a good game. So do you have any kind of thoughts on on the health of the format and, if ivery say, multiple spots on the situation? I think I think is little has a very good point in the fact that there is like a non insignificant portion of like online people who don't necessarily even play pokemon but are like adjacent to the community. You just like hate when people like the game and like will do anything to make sure they their opinion is heard about how much they don't like the game, regardless of whether they've played in the last three years or not. Yeah, and that's not even like at a specific person. There's like multiple people who do this. The the other thing, though, is I think there is a valid point that like diverse isn't necessarily equate one to one with healthy although I don't think the point was like a necessarily being I don't know honestly is the right word, but like it wasn't being made in like earnest. It wasn't being made, you know, without like ulterior motives, like a sharp clout. But I don't think it necessarily means, like one too one, that your format is healthy. There are plenty of like really good formats that have very centralized Meta Games. I don't necessarily think this format is unhealthy, though I think what it's majorly missing is like comeback kind of cards, you know, with reset stamp and and and both gone. There's definitely a gap that's being felt, and we felt this gap before a couple of years ago, where we only have like judge, just disruption, and that just really wasn't doing the job. But I think at the end of the day what determines if a format is good, not necessarily healthy but good, is if people are enjoying the game. And I think right now, after coming out of like a very centralized like year and at two years where like ATP was like one of the best deps for for so, so long and you know, Pekarm was good for so so longer. Shef it was good for so, so long, and like seeing all of these alternative strategies and decks. Even if they're kind of similar in their framework, they all play kind of differently. They all have their own little style and nuance and people like that a lot and I can't help them for that. It's it's a lot of fun right now. So I think, like to a certain extent, a game doesn't have to be healthy to be a good game, and so a game doesn't hold on, expound on that a little bit. A game doesn't have to be healthy to be a good game. What do you mean by that? Like, again, can be completely in balanced and fun to play and enjoyable, and that's what's a good game right is a game that people like...

...to play. Right, okay, and I don't think pokemon is like completely in but either it's just it's not the healthiest metagame ever because of the flaws that I outlined, but it's a lot of fun and I like playing right now, which is something that I struggled to like insistently say over the last year. So I can't really complain about it. You know, yeah, I hear you, I hear you. Yeah, that's good. That's good to you know, it's good for our listeners to here. Is like just, I think, half an opinion, I guess, on this kind of stuff. But, like, if other people say things that are dissenting, like, don't let that take away from your your enjoyment, or, I guess, lack there of, of the game. You know, yeah, for real though, like and at the end of the day, you know, do what makes makes you happy. Why that? If you think pokemon is kind of gone down the gutter, no one's force seen to keep lying either. And even if you think it's the best it's been in the last three years, then enjoy that and don't let the people who don't feel the same way take away from your experience. You do bring up a really good point. There is a lack of comeback mechanic, and that is what I would say is as well. Like the biggest problem, problem, quote unquote, problem with the game, because I kind of share a similar mindset to you, is I'm enjoying what I'm seeing. You know, they clearly designed this block, this sword and shield block, like as its own thing, right, like it was never really meant to be played with on a moon or anything prior necessarily. So they did a good job of like balancing it against itself. I think I accept for that comeback mechanics. So what do you think could make the game like? What's the one card that you would want to see return in order to create a war balanced format in the sense of comeback potential? And I think it's almost a loaded question. The answers and for sure, okay, if I think if and rockets adamant was in the format, it would pretty much resolve the health issue quickly. Really. I that's just so interesting. I because I keep hearing, and I might actually we say reset stamp. I think reset stamp is a fine alternative. What I like about and is that you are forced to draw as well, so you don't get those like insane so like and provided consistency in the early game and destruction in the late game. But it's also like, if you're using it to disrupt, you're also not like bossing or things like that. So like and let's plan your games more in a way that reset stamp had, like you know, I'm going to boss reset stamp you and yeah, and then I get maybe a couple of turns and if you don't draw out of it, then I can, yeah, even aloud, like drawing out of it, like you know, I'm going to boss resets stamp you now, if you don't have boss in the one card, like I win or whatever, like situations, and I feel like and like yeah, I think that supporttion like more bidirectional interaction. Yeah, I had never really thought about it like that because I was thinking of it more like okay, if you're going to play reset stamp in your debt, because I feel you know, I've been on the receiving ends of numerous ends in my day that didn't go my way, and just thinking of it as like, Oh man, I wish they didn't have this card. But like reset stamp felt a little better to me in the sense that, you know, it was a pretty much a dead card for the majority of the game. Right. So that was the balancing factor, is you're going to play this kind of middling card that really didn't have anything turned one thing. It's like an invalid school of thought either. Right. So I definitely fall more into the end pool. But I would say like really, either of those being in the format would kind of fix the the comeback problem. Hmm, do you think we would still have marty be played if, and we maybe in certain decks, probably insignificantly if it was, and probably very much less. But I could see ducks that maybe still want to play Marty. What Marty provides the end doesn't is it provides like very hard early game disruption and it's Rawd dig whereas and is shuffle draw, which shuffle draw. If you've been playing pokemon for a while, you know shuffle draw freaking sucks sometimes. Yeah, you can draw the same cards all man, I played this shuffle of card and I drew the cards that I had in my hand already. was like with Marnie, like yeah, you're only drawing five cards, but you're digging five cards, right, like yeah, which there's something to be said for that. Yeah, for sure. So in Dex that like maybe just really want to come. How it come hard out of the gates early, kind of situation like Martie might fit better. Yeah, right, and like get a little bit more disruption on the opponent, right, yeah, and any first turn then you're giving them seven essential, while six and drawings and topter right, versus five.

So interesting things think about. We probably won't get any time soon, although we are getting ultra ball. So never say never. Ultra ball and and are like a match made in heaven to I think so. Yeah, I love the ultrabal reprint, and that's not because I own ten secret rare but it's not not because not. All right, well, speaking of speaking of pokemon cards, I think we have a card of the day, Riley. Oh, we certainly do. So getw I'm going to read a Polka x entry and if you can guess the card I will donate twenty dollars to a charity of your choice. Let's go on the domino, the fejw Domino's charity, and that's right. That's right. So the potest entry for this pokemon. It emits as psychic power strong enough to cause headaches as a deterrent to the approach of others. Oh, I've definitely read this one too. Thinker, it's psychic headaches, or something about headaches. Psychic power. Emits psychic power strong enough to cause headaches as a deterrent to the approach of others. I mean, I really want to say side, but that seems too simple. Okay, I'm going to say Esper. Who It is not Esper, it is had a been fatterine. That's right, that the headache. It can apply to quite a few psychic yeah, that's true. That's true. That's kind of like the whole site fault you, not for your choices. So the car to day for this week is Hatterin from revel clash. Has the mind hat ability and once during your turn you can have each player dis card a card. A lot of people try to make this work with like googy disruption text superbly hot raises hand. Yeah, and it has the dripping grudge attack where you can just place a damage counter somewhere on the board or, sorry, on the active pokemon. For each Pokemon your phone is this card piles not great. Mostly is the benchitor that use the ability for. And what's interesting about Hatterin Jwd? Know What's interesting about Hatteren? Like more wise or yeah, warwise, I have I didn't play that Gen bro in play that gem bro. Hatter Rene is his or her hat and dress, like appearance, is entirely made out of hair. No Way. That's right, which brings me into our sponsor for this week's episode. If you don't want to end up like Hatterine, support for tag team this week week is brought to you by none other than manscaped, who is the best in men's blow the way screaming. Manscape offers precision engineer tools for your family jewels, and we just launched their first fourth generation trimmer, the lawnmower for point now, yes, four point out doing the two point one million people over worldwide who trust manscape with his exclusive offer through tag team. You go to their website and put in the code tag team. That's tag team at manscapecom. You can get twenty percent off site wide. Yeah, and free shipping. So like and free shipping. Watching. I know it's crazy. I like on the kind of dude that just uses disposable razor. I like have like put off for the longest time buying an electric trimmer and then manscape hit us up. And I've actually gotten a few other kind of like brand brand deals, but I was like they don't really make a lot of sense for us, but this one I was like yeah, this seems like something that Riley and I would actually use. But yeah, I don't think like if this thing ever breaks, which I don't think it does, I will never go back to a disposable razor. Like I actually okay, so it's so funny. I swear to you, the week before manscape reach out to me, I like cut myself, Bro I'm not making that up, and it stuck for like two days. But the yeah, well, I went through a phase where kind of like my my region was looking like a Hatterine and I had gone through I'd tried to do my own kind of grooming with, you know, my face raiser, which a kind of weird. Yeah, he did not end up well for the partner's down there. And so when...

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...because I feel like what's happened with other Games is that the parent company like makes it right. So, like magic arena is made by wizards of the coast. I believe, and somebody can fact check me the but I'm pretty sure it's made by wizards of the coast, whereas now Ptcgo is made by Direwolf, right. So that's not that's a another company that pokemon hired to make this game. Yeah, we make the current make the current game, right. So I suspect it's a new client just because I would. I would imagine pokemon at this point like wants to just own everything, right. It doesn't want to send it out to another party, like it just wants to own all the not to know, Ip surrounding it and like all the code. They want it to be their own and and it makes it a little more agile if they have to fix a problem. I'd imagine, I don't know right, but I'd imagine it makes it a little easier to fix problems and bugs and stuff. So I would expect a new client now. That said, I would also say don't get any hopes of because if it is a pokemon products, like pokemon official product, this would be their first time doing this, right, so we don't I wouldn't say not to be excited. I would just say keep expectations low, as I just generally tend to do. That's something about keep them alow, but keep them saying, I mean, yeah, I don't know, I don't know, just like just even reasonable at the saying keep the low is kind of pessimistic. No, that's that's seriously, like my wife's like tagline is like keep your expectations low, because then, if it's amazing, will be super surprised and happy, and then if it's like good, will be will still be happy. Right, like, you know, if it's if it's a dumpster fire, then okay, you can't. You know, I'm going to keep my expectations higher than a dumpster fire, right, but I'm going to keep them low so that I'm surprised and happy you no matter what happens. I guess when I when I hear keep your expectations low, I hear dumpster fire. Right, yeah, I guess that's what's imparted upon me. That's the message you leave with me. Is downstair fire. What that said, I think my inclination is is some sort of new, rebranded TCG. Oh, I don't think it'll be the an exact parallel. I mean it might even be taking the framework and updating some features or like making it more usable and or something like that, but I do think it'll be something relatively new. I could be completely wrong and again, I think keep the keep your expectations realistic as well. You know, don't necessarily expect the world and be disappointed when you get what you get. You know, what do you think? Would like give me like a top two or three things that, if pokemon does this in the new client, like assuming you know, everything works right, like assuming all the cards work and you know what are the top like two or three things that, if they implement these, we would consider it to be a success. Or, like you would, you would be happy with the result, right, I guess. Yeah, I mean outside of like general like performance enhancements and things like that, like actual, like notable, like net new kind of enhancements, I would I would love for there to be kind of like a better visual feel for the game. Like you know, you have ruintara and Hartstone and arena that all have these like gorgeous looking games when you play them online, and Yo does not even compare in that front. I would love for there to be like better animations and just the gain to feel nicer to play. I would also love for there to be more customization options in terms of especially like games of friends, like how you could set those up, the rules that you want to apply. Things like that would be so much fun. or even like applying different rules of different formats like that weren't initially the rules would be really cool. And then I think, I think the obvious one that anyone would say is a ranks ladder. Yeah, I think that just about nails say. Yeah, it would be really cool if they did some kind of we got a common in the chat here. Be Cool if they branded with POKEMON IP instead of random like playable characters. Right. So, like Nathan, yeah, yeah, like instead of Nathan, like what if we had Leon? At least leave Nathan out of nothing wrong with Nathan, but you know, the very cool if we had like, you know, brock in the game right like that. It just be it is kind of weird that there's like no pokemon character actors. It doesn't really make sense, like if you think about it. I haven't thought about it before. Yeah, why don't we have, you know,...

...instead of the early like why isn't it literally the gym leaders, like that'd be so gas like in literally every other or or they like make up a gym leader right right now? Or maybe professors characters in the context of the game, or just dudes. You've played prob? I mean same right. But I don't want to see myself in the characters. I want to see something cool. Yeah, it's which I got right. Yeah, which is definitely not us for like antithetical to each other. I definitely want to see a Baddie, like a villain. Oh, not, like a not like a hot chick, like a villain. No, no, like it. Well, come on, I I'm already married to the hottest trick alive. Fair enough, fair enough. So I don't I don't need any more of that. But yeah, like I look, mode, is that what you're saying? Yeah, story mode. Yeah, that be dope. Story Mode. That's not the that's not the little you know, what do they call a trainer challenges or something? It would be cool. This is like pie in this guy, but it'd be cool if there are like some kind of secret like Konami Code that you could put in and it would launch the game boy color game in the client. Bro, Bro, you're getting me a little excited now that that is like way we're out there, but that would be so cool. You. Yeah, for sure. I think there's a lot of very interesting stuff they can do with the client. I would agree with you if they had maybe not necessarily updated graphics, but like enhanced graphics, like if they kept the same ting of a better user experience. Yeah, yeah, exactly, like I think that would be and that might even be kind of like base level for me, you know, if they change nothing about ptcge. Oh, but they made it look like magic arena, like that's an insane game. You know what I mean. But we'll see. We'll see just what happens because again, this is their first time, allegedly taking over this sort of project, right, like pokemon. Well, yeah, the card game at least, right. They have a lot of other a lot of other stuff that they do. Is POKEMON's first ever for Ject. Yeah, but now first iterations can sometimes be a little rocky. So again I'm going to say keep the expectations low. Riley would say keep the expectations. What average meter realistic to him, and I'm realistically. The word low just evokes poorness to me, like it doesn't evoke good. But yeah, that and that's I mean, that's actually what I'm saying, like keep them low, right, like expect the worst and then anything that's above the world. I don't think you should expect the worst like something you yeah, so we'll see. We'll see. Well, I'm sorry, I mean this and all this is like speculation on speculation, right, because I don't even know where you seeing a thing. Well, will expect you. Yeah, we don't even know if we're going to see anything this weekend, but it's kind of Nice to think about it. I mean, we know we're getting PCCG live. We know that there's this date that it had, like we're probably going to get it by the end of the year. So what better time to showcase it then, right? And if it's really likesal event in conjunction with fuse and strike, you know, based on like the leaks, they have to enhounce it soon, because that's like a November release and we're almost over. Yeah, yeah, so I think. Yeah, another thing that I want to make sure that you know they I would love to have happened is some way to pour it over the cards. I mean, it seems like they'll still be. It seems like they'll still be using a code system right, because there is that code, you know, that was on the leak of the PCG live. So that's, I think, another big thing for me and other players. If we had to start over, though, and like we got all the other things we asked for, I would I would honestly be fine with it, but we'll see what they end up doing there. So yeah, consolutely very cool. Well, great episode, Riley. I think that's going to do it for us today. Everybody check out manscaped one last time, manscapecom tag team, and we will catch you guys in another week, because we are the longest running and most consistent podcast out there for Pokemon trading card game. So, with that said, you can find us on some socials, Riley. Why don't you take us through those? Yeah, absolutely. You can find us on twitter as our primary form of social media. You can find me at smiles of Riles, JW at Real John Walter, and the podcast at tag team Pokmon and if you ever want to catch us live, we record weekly on one of JW is in my channels, usually on mine when I'm not in Richmond Virginia, not rich me New York, and that's going to be twitch to TV slash...

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