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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 44 · 3 months ago

3-44. Un-BOU-lievable

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Frosted Caribou and JW sit down to talk all things behind the scenes - from a day in the life, to the drama surrounding scalpers, Bou is sure to intrigue listeners. 

Welcome back to tag team, everyone pokeon t, cg, premiere, podcasting duo, i'm j, w crewall and normally, i would say,i'm joined by riley halbert, but he is not here today. However, i have a greatguess for you today. This is frosted. Cariboo shelby is joining us on thestream today and on the cast, say: hi, boo, hello, i'm just telling days be i'm superawkward introduction. So that's about as good as you're going to get for me.Yeah. I mean it's. It's kind of remarkable this. You know just just how natural i thinkyou know i was actually kind of expecting. You know for you to be maybe a littledifferent than you are in the video, but like i'm so far, you know it's beenvery kind of natural. I don't know that's just for me. Sometimes i feellike there's kind of a character. You know that i'm playing when i'm on astream or when i'm you know doing a video or somethinglike that, but that maybe isn't you de pay on a like turn of the energy, iwould say for sure in any sort of content creation you got to be kind oflike super engaging, i guess, but yeah. Now everyone i've talked to at leastlike i don't know recent recently. Well, actually no is like ever is usuallylike you seem pretty norm. I mean i've. Even had people in men realize they'relike wow here the exact it yeah. I don't know if that's a complete, i knowi know i know i hear that because i hear that too it's like you know. Ohman, you're kind of like weird, like you do these videos, like it's kind ofweird and then like you're. Also like you know, just a regular dude. You knowyou just normal your person, your person, holily mote. It's so funny! Well great. Thank you somuch for joining us tonight. Well, joining me joining me. You know i go.Is it i be here with us in spirit? Absolutely yeah, absolutely always iwatching this well, this is good. I had just a lot ofquestions. I mean both kind of content creation, wise pokemon cardwise. I hope we do get to ask in you or your thoughts on things in the cardgame sphere, but yeah, let's start with just kind of what's it what's a day inthe life of boo, like you are obviously one of you know for the viewers thatdon't know one of the bigger content creators inthe pokemon trading card game. I think you know maybe gearing a little bitmore towards pack opening, but certainly having a sizable presence inthe playing. I know that you stream yourtournaments and you've. You know certainly posted game play videos, andyou have you know a really nice series. I think a three parter on how to startplaying the game so certainly like feet in both realms yeah. What is a day inthe life look like for you, honestly, really boring and one day andprobably versus what people think like. I feel like people always think, likecontent, creators and stuff like or live in, these super big lavish lives.You know, but it's like very opposite for me. I pretty much. Have i have a lot ofpets so usually get up. Take care of my pets. I have tons of plants as well, soi'm like watering on my plants as far as the content and like actual workgoes just filming and editing. That's reallyit that's like the motions you go through is filming editing. You knowplanning researching, depending on what i'm filming you know. I have a like a pokemon club. So that's likewednesday nights, we'll hang out we'll play. I have local players i play with aswell a lot, so damn that's kind of it. It'svery it's very chill. I literally i say this all the time to people. I knowbecause i have like a junker car and it doesn'teven have air conditioning it has it's...

...like a two thousand and six is superold, but i'm like yo, two thousand and six in that old. No, i mean for forit's super junky, though yeah and i'm like well, i mean i only drive likefive miles a month, probably yeah. I never leave my house. So it's okay, youknow yeah. I know i mean and you're in a nice area to do it i mean i can'timagine. Tennessee is particularly you know, expect i mean i don't know, butus you know it kind of feels like ohio. In a way. You know i've lived in ohiofor like five years now and it's you know it's definitely not california.I'll say that oh yeah definitely and i mean like we're like like nashvillearea, so there's definitely some cool stuff around here. But it's not it'snot the most riveting place. I've ever been, i guess yeah nashville, isdefinitely definitely an interesting place. We were down there yeah, oh man,my wife and i just celebrated our sec, two year anniversary and we went downto nashville for for just hanging out again. She went to school at anderbuilt, so we hung out and saw some of her old friends and kind of her oldhaunts, and things like that. That was really fun. That's really awesome yea.Would you ever? Would you ever consider moving like? Has it never beensomething that crossed your mind like you know how? Because okay, so you knowpokemon, is so isolated right and there's only a handful like we talkabout content creation as being something that's kind of like a newfrontier right. A very recent you know within the last ten years have peoplemade a living off of concentration, but then even more so pokemon trading cardgame, like has like you know, there's the sphere of content creators and thenthere's the sphere of pokemon content creators and then, like maybe even thesphere of like competitive tc contegatur is like you know that no,you andrew you know as ull like, like it's very, very small as the thought ofer like cross your mind, like i know, in a lot of other games and with a lotof other concentrators they want to get out of where they are and move to someplace, bigger on new york and la chicago, or something like that haveyou ever. I don't know thought of that. Oh no, i'm actually, probably theopposite. If anything, i'd want to move somewhere more isolated, like living inthe woods somewhere away from big cities, you and your plants, exactlyexactly. I can't fathom spending so much money on like the living cost ofthose areas. I grew up in dc so, like i know how expensive it is, especiallycompared to where i've lived after it's been much much much cheaper, and so i can't imagine like sacrificingthat much money on like paying rent for a place where, like you, could buy likeliterally a mansion somewhere else. You know what i e. If you really wanted toit's crazy ye there it's crazy is. Have you ever like? Is that kind of an endgoal for you then, to just like kind of hide away and be a reclusive like yeahever close out just go away wow that sounds kind of depressing, but i meankind of a little bit. I would rather, i would rather save the money for theliving costs and then save that money to go say like travel somewhere, reallycool or go out of the states, or something like that. I think that's away, cooler experience than just living in a cool area that you're just payinga lot of money, for you know yeah for sure, though, for surely so contentcreation journey. Let's i want to know how it started because you've beencreating for now about what three to four years is that i no actually sincethousand and sixteen thousand and sixty okay, i'm a little off there. Sorryabout that, but talk to me about what i was reallyinterested in is like that barrier from going from just creating content tomaking it a full time job what was yeah? What was that like? So i actually was doing twitch full time before i did youtube. Okay,so i kind of had a fit in like the online space. Already i started mytwitch channel. I actually played like competitive age of empires to i know kind of a kind of a throwback arts game.That's awesome! So yeah, that's how i...

...kind of kicked off my twitch channeland then it went into just variety games, sort of kind of just chill thing, and then i kind of i got partnership ontwitch and it was kind of like at that point like you made it on twitch. Imean yeah five years ago or four years ago, like yeah right sure. Exactly so- and i don't know, i guess it justwasn't, it was something like live streaming just wasn't for me long term,and i have always been very much into like content creation as far as it goeswith like editing videos and actually creating the content versus just like alife stream sure. So i was already kind of trained to segue into something elsein the content sphere and i had really gotten into pokemon at the time. Thisis like two thousand nineteen, two thousand and eighteen, two thousand andnineteen ish, and that's when you know i saw that pokemon had a space,the tg had a space on youtube and i had just randomly got back into the tgalong with you know. A couple of the this is right when pokemon, let's go,came out very plan that for twitch streams, and i actually got to travelto tokyo to and go to some actual pokemon centers there there's likesomething i just got really into very quickly and i was like. Let me just dothis and i had so much fun with it just like miking videos that i just knew.That's that's what i wanted to do so, and i was not doing it full time tillreally really recently really ok, because there was just no way likefinancially that made sense for you. No totally totally. I was making likepennies off of even when i was monetized on my channel, so i unlockedmonetization, but i had no idea like how you tube worked at all. I had no connections into youtube and i so iactually have like a setting that wasn't even checked for like thelongest time, so people weren't actually getting ads on any of my video.It would be like one ad for like one video forever, so i'd spend hours andhours, editing these videos and getting like pennies for it. Oh my god, a longlong time up until like late, like literally last winter, really o ya tosee it yeah so and then it's like i, i click that setting and then you're like.Oh my gosh, i'm actually getting money, i'm getting back yeah! So yeah that's kind of funny, that'sgreat what so, when you were in this kind of period, just you know, you'retalking recently, you've been able to do it full time. So, like what were youdoing, you know, while you were making content like what other jobs did youhave or what were you doing to kind of supplement, so i was waitressing andbar tending and that sucks, i don't know i well i yeah i mean i've donelike you know: service sec, yes, b s is a very double ence sort like industry,so those that and then i kind of left that in started working at a local cardshop actually cool in my area, and so that's what i was doing up until i leftthere and around like ovid pandemic times aswell, so that was kind of rough and weird and yeah i started i was actuallyin between so i had just left there and i had also just switched my setting onfor youtube and i was in between. I was looking for another job and that's whensomehow the income actually replaced it. So i just it kind of was like aseamless transition. I was only looking for another job for probably like amonth and a half i would say, and in that time i was actually able to dofull time. Content creation so making...

...consistent content changed. Obviouslyhow much i could make from it too. So of course, of course, yeah yeah,because up until that point i was absolutely broke as a joke. Not manypeople know this, but well. I've said it plenty of times, butmost of like really all of my openings up until like late last year were cardsthat my boyfriend would buy because he is like a steple job, stable income andi was just absolutely broke as a joke so like i would open products that hewould buy for us and make it into content and a like. Really it was. Thatwas how i was doing my channel yeah. I mean that is amazing, like these areall things that i just never knew. You know that's so wild and i mean, and itkind of you know, i'm sure that you were youtook very you know, you're, very conscious ofthat right, like you know, you know i would be. I have been. You know therewas a point in my time and my life here recently, whereas, like you know, i wasyou know, searching for a job. My wife had the job and like how could ijustify making content? You know when she's out there every day doing it doing good work and like yes,certainly that was like a just kind of makes. You feel weirdright or maybe it didn't. Maybe it didn't,but no it didn't know it definitely did like. I tell him all the time. I'm likeyou know i, oh so so much like he always believed in me, and i believethat i can make good content so he's he supported me through like that wholejourney. I guess you know my setup, like literally my almost my entiresetup is because he invested into like my set up. You know so, like literally,i would not be making the content. I make without him at all, so that's yeah.It definitely meant meant a lot to me and still means a lot to me just tohave them for support now. It's actually tables have turned. Ah now,yeah he's put in that initial investment. Now i buy all of our popina.That's that's investing baby. You know look at that, worked out for him yeahwhat an roi, what an ri yeah! That's awesome! That's awesome all right! Sotalking about you know, content and what you make on your channel e h. Alot of it is. You know, of course, pack and openings we're talking about that,and then you also have your competitive content. So how do you balance the two? What doyou think about when you're creating like? Would you rather put more timeinto one? Would you rather you know, do things ina different way like what? How are you thinking about the content that you putout for your youtube channel? That's tough, because there's like so much ofit that i want to make and like not enough time for me to make it all. Youknow yeah. I know i it takes so much time, but my whole thing was that, like therethere's pack opening vvideos on youtube and then there's competitive, tg videos,there's very little like overlap in between those. So actually you knowhaving having channels that kind of touch on both and are the best of bothworlds. So that was always something that i wanted to kind of. Do is connectthose like two realms with each other, and that's why i have kind of a goodflow now where, if i am doing pack openings yeah, you know i'm not justsaying like. Oh, this is a pretty card or like oh, this is you know, xyz. Iactually try to go into. You know what this cord would be used for, whatdecade would go into or the competitive aspect of it? So, even if it's a personcoming just to watch to see what i pull, they still walk away from the videohaving some information about the tg and maybe being that much moreinterested to actually get into playing the tg, and this has been like the bestway to get just collectors and people who like to open. You know, watch packopenings into or interested more in the...

...tg side of pokemon. It's been seriouslylike the best thing ever and i've been able to get so many more people playing,and i think that's really all it takes is like crossing. You know competitiveaspects of the game, yeah but kind of explaining them in a beginner friendlyway. No and doing more of that content so and then, of course, the livestreams with wde and everything came in to play, and i was really wanted toshow people hey. You could play this game like in person and it's really fun and it's reallycool to play so, but i i would definitely want to domore of that content for sure yeah, absolutely more of the competitive sideof things. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so great, so do you think that that's like thelike the future? When you talk about you, know future and like hash, tatgoal line, content, yeah, yeah? Well, absolutely! Okay! Absolutely! Definitely, i think, i think more ofthe pack openings and the collector side is definitely a secondary thingfor me versus how interested i am in playing the game. But you know youcan't you can't really just go gung ho into something because you areinterested in you actually have to like you know, get other people comfortablein it too yeah. No, i mean you have to take your audience with you andchanging that can certainly be really difficult. How how have you been ableto cultivate your audience like what are some things that you talk about?Are you know with other consecrators or or think about yourself that has kindof contributed to this? You know i don't want to say cult following, butcertainly the people, i would say the people that, like you, yeah really likeyou, you know i would you agree with on yeah. I mean i mean you, don't havelike any linkworth, not like. No, no, that's that's not what i mean,but it's not like it's not like you're, the only one putting stuff out thereright, there's a lot of people that, oh you know, people can go to for for pack openings. You know certainlyright, but like the people that go to you like, i think, just really lovewhat you do, and maybe you wouldn't even watch any other pack, opener or orcontent creator. You know or pokemon tc content creator. So i a definitely for about that. That'sdefinitely true because you know i'm not. I'm not delving superheavily into the tg all the time and i still know people that will ask me todo certain videos or film serve videos. I'm like they're out there like i, iwatch these videos yeh. I know these contact careers there. That's alreadymaking this content but they're like no bo. I want you to do it. I want to seeit from you, but so yeah. I guess i kind of knowwhat you mean by that. I think something i always think aboutand kind of live by. I guess i is like, if some, if someone can take your videoand like take you out of it and plop in anybody else, and it would be the samecontent, then that's not really quality content. In my opinion, you know peoplewatch you your videos, whoever you are, if you're any content ruter on twitchon youtube, whatever someone's going to stay and watch your videos, becausethey like you, you know they like your personality, you're relatable to themor you know they vibe with you know how you talk about things or explain things.There's something about you is makes them watch you over others. I thinkwhere it comes to me. I think that comes in with probably just like my editing style in my videos. My humorbehind things is something that i i don't thinkreally can be recreated, because it's just random weird things i think aboutyou, know be pretty random, create yeah exactly so. I think i think that'sall i could say about that. I don't know yeah. Why do? Why? Do you guyswatch me? I don't know there yougo yeah, i mean i mean the viewers. I tell you,i'm sure like you have people are like you know in the comments. I see it.It's like you know this is so funny. This is great great insight d. You knowit's it's kind of a varied comment,...

...section for sure on any video. It's going to ask a follow, a questionon that: oh yeah, so so with your editing style,because it is, i mean these are very highly curated videos, which is awesome, which is something i don't feel like,and you can i mean. Certainly you can say i feel free to say like j w you'rean idiot here, but i don't feel like it's something that translates thatwell to the card game. This kind of highly edited style doesn't, and you know it just itdoesn't seem like there's a one for one to like chop up a video and i think,there's a number chop up a game play video. I should say- and i thinkthere's a number of reasons for that- i think just like table top games ingeneral- maybe lend themselves to seeing every minute detail, whereasthese highly edited ones will you know, of course, like you have to leavethings out or splice things and champ things up, and then the other thing islike. If you look at the content like a competitive, tg channel would need tobe kind of updated, very consistently right, so you're just kind of puttingout videos when the metagame changes or when there are new cards that come outand there's just kind of this, this immediacy that needs to happen. If you know you're talking about yourchannel in the future and and doing more t, cg related stuff card game playing wise, how would you translate your style? Orwould you do things different? I know exactly what you mean, because i'vealready kind of touched on this a little bit, not because i have beenediting a couple of game play like just straight matchesyeah- and i sort of did this at my my job as well. Working at a car shopbecause we would do live stream magic matches as well, so i kind of had alittle bit experience in that and where i think it merges with editing is andwhere i would personally like for pokemon tc to go or cg to go is more oflike an e sports vibe to it. So you know, i don't know if you everhave watched online e sports or anything like oh totally, but there'svery cool transitions. There's very cool player highlights where you knowthey have a green screen behind him and they're like yeah, yeah, yeah ethelyn know what i mean. So i think there is a lot of opportunityfor editing. Okay, in those circumstances, to make like pokemon,feel more e sports esk, like i'm talking like really high quality, like video of you, know,players actually playing cards and cool transitions and visual things that adddynamics to the match. That makes sense, oh totally or even just highlighting, like almostlike documentary style, you know actually having players discuss hey.What was your your thinking behind this move and you see them? Do it in thegame and it could be like a game, changing move and then it you know, cancut over to them. Saying like. Oh, i was thinking this is this and youactually get to delve into their. You know their mindset behind some of thesethings o this is all stuff. I don't really really want to explore very heavily like you, don't even knowhow bad i i'm with you like. That is the dream. I'm just like. I'm raisingmy eyebrows a little skepticism there, just becauseof you know, you're saying all these things and i'm like, and that sounds sogood. You know to make pokemon like a like a sport or like an e port yeah.How do you do? It is one person i know it's real, it's not even really as oneperson, because i think we could bring him more people to talk with that. It'sokay, it's more of just like how do i do this with you know a lack of playerbase where i can actually film. You...

...know, like i don't honestly know verymany competitive people who are local to me. So it's like, if i wanted to dosomething like this like locally regularly like i would have to get aplayer base and there's not very much halt, o it yeahlike like folks around my area so yeah, i kind of what i struggle with the mostyeah yeah totally and, like a few think you're talking about that, i m sorry. Ijust want to keep like diving down this, because it's just very interesting. Ifeel like we're touching on seti. I dream about it, but so, okay, so you're saying there'snot a lot of players, you know so does that? Does that likegive you okay, so then that circles back to what we were talking aboutearlier, like do you ever want to move some place? You know like do you wantto move to a big city, or do you want to move to a hot spot where there aremore players and then? Secondly, it's all east coast, yeah they're lars yeah,a lot of players are on the east coast. I look at even though like in the in thenortheast ohio area like in you know, with with full grip and andrew mahon,and you know what he was doing before pandemic, getting that kind of localscene. Like really big, i mean they had like forty people for like leaguechallenges on tuesday night. You know what i mean like. I is a little crazythat i in yeah for sure so would there ever be like a you know, just to kindof like bring that a little full circle like a you know. Would you move for? Ifsomebody was like, hey here's a player base? We really want you here. You knowwe think we can make so you know we think we can make the dream half and,like i mean i honestly, i can adapt to anywhere so i'm always open to tomoving wherever to because the area doesn't really matter as much to melike i'm not like. I need to live here, or else you know what i mean the ipersonally just would not want to live around a big city just because, like isaid before, it just cost too much for me to like, like. I can't personallylike hay that much i do somthin, it hurts me and i know yeah, we alwaysused to go shopping and it was. It was not really looking at what you likethat was like looking at the price tag, first yeah and it's like absolutely andthen the second thing i was thinking about is like well. Okay, is there away for you to cultivate a stronger community where you are because,obviously you know you're really good at you know explaining the game, andyou know you, you have this passion for bringing new players in. So is thereany kind of thought that you could now go to the local store and teach a bunchof players to play and then now, all of a sudden, you have this kind of fan bay,or you know this, this group of players that would be able to facilitate someof what you're talking about that's exactly kind of the route i'm on nowactually, and it's already sort of happening, some people who saw our livestreams they're like hey, i'm only you know an hour out from this like maybe icould connect with them. Maybe i could come play and we've had actually manyconnections of people. I've never even met before you know, come play with usand learn more about the game and build decks, and actually you know, compete in our like littleweekly tournaments and that has been really really cool. So i definitelythink what you're saying there's a lot in that realm of things, but when itcomes down to the like a sports, bibes type content, people want to seecompetitive matches of petitive players. High speed high level game play, youknow, so that is where it's still somewhat difficult. You know i've evenbeen thinking like how can i get people to record their matches that arecompetitive players, and then i can edit that somehow, but like the ligious,i of it are still lost on me as far as that grows, but it is something ireally really want to do. That is like my goal. My future, where i'm headed inmy personal pokemon career, is to get you know pokemon into more of an esports fields, so because i think it has so much potential, it's crazy. Ithink it does too. I think it does too it's criminal. In my opinion, it iscriminal to have only a handful of full...

...time. Competitive, ptsd contecta, lookat magic, i mean even look at you look at look at you. He thank you. Thank you.I look at yukio stuff every single day because i am like this is a dead game,and yet they have like ten channels that have over a hundred thousand supslike. It makes no sense why you gi well: okay, maybe it doesn't and i'm speakingto the wrong person but like in my brain, i'm like okay, pokemon, abillion dollar franchise. Yes, you know a household name you gio doesn't seemmuch for niche is much more na yeah and there's a way larger player base yeah.I don't understand it either. Another thing that boggles my mind about you gobecause, usually, when you think e sports- and you know competitiveplayers and stuff, they are making their living. You know withsponsorships and playing the game and getting prize money and stuff like that.Most of the time yue cannot host prize tournaments. I know at all. I know it'sliterally prohibited. You know magic like it makes sense right, because youknow they do have a very strong culture and they give out a ton of money. Foryou know high place in to like you go like you said: yeah there's you can'tyou get product righting, but there's still somehow more full time. You knowcompetitive udio players and there is pokemon, i'm like well, and it's andlike the thing that that's weird too, it's like it's not just that there aremore of them. It's like the numbers are just insanely higher. You know like,like you know, we're all kind of like anticipating you know you or andrew or or the wasi like reaching that hundredthousand k youtube subscriber goal. You know just as a number that doesn'treally mean anything. You know necessarily, but like it's a soperplaque, it's a nice shining, you know it's a nice shiny, milestone, yeah, butthen you o ye. You look over a yugend, they got. You know two hundred threehundred thousand. You know like subscribers on multiple channel. It'sjust crazy! Well, really, when i start realizing. This too is when i startedworking with you know, card shops or like t g brands and stuff and they'relike yeah. These are magic influencers. These are you you influencers andyou're our only pokemon influence or i'm like what what why it's justthere's, not a space for it for like competitive pokemon play it's just sosmall, and that's like why i like, and dedicating so much of like my time andthe work i put into my channel to try to change that to try to get morepeople playing and it's working, it's one hundred percent working. I get youknow tons of messages weekly from dozens of people who say you know,you're the reason i'm collecting again you're the reason i'm playing againyou're the reason you know i've collected for twenty years, i've now,if not ever yep, but you explain this one card and it's a card. I really likei like this pokemon, i'm going to start playing, because i want to build a deckaround it. You know it's it's just like you have to. You have to get into whatintrigues this person, what interests this person by kind of getting them in the entryway in the entry point which is pack openings or you know some sort of fun,cool content and then like in that content like it sounds kind of sneaky,but you kind of just so like yeah, and you can play this card in a day andthen they're like. Oh really, you know no way wait, there's text on the card,it's not just a picture yeah and then they're like wow, that's kind of cool,and then they go look into it more and then it's like hey watch my three partseries and then they're into it, yeah, absolutely and everyone of course, buti would say a majority of people that i've heard from usually get into it.Yeah! That's a! I mean, that's what happened to me. That's how i got intoit so and it has brought nothing but super fun times, fun, people that i'vemet and it has added a whole like cool layer to my life that, like it justhelps me enjoy life more, and i just watch her that with more people yeah, iagree yeah totally with you there...

...totally with you there i mean i've beenplaying you it's. I started back when i was like eight years old, like playingwith my dad i had now. If i had known that there was a whole circuit, i meanthere was a really wasn't like a huge circuit. You know back when pokemon wasin its infancy but like yeah. If i had known that there were other people,then weren't just my dad to play like man who knows where i could have been,but you know it would have been like. If i had just seen a video you knowback, i mean, obviously it wasn't youtube back then, but yeah t. Thepoint remains like if i was eight year old, not eight years old now- and i sawa video like yours like another content, rator and like oh, this is what itcould be. You know, that's yeah, that's incredible, and i think too, you know pokemon just has this. It hasthis maybe stigma. I don't know if you find that too, but just like wherepeople think oh it's for kids. It doesn't really you know and even likethe game. Mechanics like. Oh the game, mechanics are not as they're leaning,more yeah, yeah leading more kids. I mean. Do you ever get that kind of likecounterargument when you're you know, either in a in a chat room or in on theyoutube where it's like? This is a game for kids, like i'm, not going to botherit. This oh yeah easily, especially when i worked at a card shop, you know,poke mon's kind of seen is like the joke of a card game. Sadly, it's verysad, but what's wild about that is, i was actually kind of converting a lotof our magic players and yuga players into playing pokemon atthe hard shop. We needed more players because we weren't even firing off ourmatches. We didn't have four people. Oh my gosh yeah is bad, so i startedconverting people from other games and i was like hey. You know and polonis avery different game from from magic or, u like, very, very different and now alot a lot of the dynamics and pokemon you go a magic players actually reallylike the drawing cards, the searching the deck you know, they're like wait,we wait, you don't have a hands limit. Your pony can't tell you to stop whatyou're doing. Also like wait. A second the games last more than like fourturns right. Isn't that like a problem in india with all the combos- and idon't know- okay like when turn to yeah- and so am i mean that's- how magic iswith commander as well with high level i commander decks and stuff, so no yeahand and that that's actually really what i saw when i was like convertingdifferent players from different games. They're like wow. This is so like freeflowing and like like it's just very carefree and like easy and like youcould literally like your opponent, could be playing their turn and youjust chill you know and you feel like like it's it's a lot more like lightweight. I think then, then you o magic is which a lot of people like you know,and i mean then you draw in people who just genuinely are interested inpokemon and the ar work of pokmon and have connections to the pokmonthemselves be included. You know there's pokemon, i'm like i want tomake a deck out of this, because i really like this poke man like that'show i was with lukari yeah m yeah, i'm playing le cargo mal metals like i'mplaying that, because you know i makes me feel something. Yes exactly you havethis like connection to your cards. That is, i don't think you honestly canget as much in magic or ugo as you do with pokemon for sure, so there'sdefinitely a sort of different connection to it, but yeah. I do thinkpeople write it off being very, very kid friendly becauseof that as well. It's a double edged sword. I guess i pok hem as a kids showso, but no one ever says about the vg, though, which is kind of i i know iknow, but but like a eser play the b and that's the other thing too is likeyeah. Let's, let's get off the kind of you know magic and you o content,creator, train and like let's switch to the vg like that, has a pretty you know:rabid fan base as well and like a lot of well, i should say a lot, but youknow still like way more than the trading card game and yeah. That'salways kind of been interesting to me,...

...too. I think that's just because, likemore people kind of had a foothold into the games because a lot of people playthe pokemon games, so it was just like hey. You know it's kind of like youplay like a fps game and then you're like mom, pretty good at this or youknow. Let me try to go into this competitively. I feel like that happensa lot more for the gc, whereas people who collect cards are are just you know,it's not like they're playing with them like their fun and their enjoyment isin the collection of it, so they don't even think to play with it. You knowwhat i mean sure, and i mean this. This goes all the way back to when pokanfirst came out and i've talked to people many times before, like theywere trying to kick off pokmon as a tg and heavily like they had entire campsset up like summer camps, for you to go, play poem on and learn how to playpokmon, and that was a whole thing back. When pokemon first came out, they pressit so heavily, but for some reason people wanted to just trade and collectthat was just always what was more heavily interested in by a majority ofpeople. So you know, i really don't know why, but i'm glad that we're making up forlost time like well. You are working to change that you know, and that's ithink i mean we all. Are that and i think too, when it comes to likecontent creators. This is something that i've found and i don't know toomuch about you know the conterai of magic or any other game really but likebok, my creator seem to be very, you know very much about everyone doingwell. You know where it's like they're willing to donate their time to help. You know i mean you'redonating your time right now to this cast so like. Thank you so much forbeing here. Of course, you know, and it's like these kinds of things whereit's like we're all trying to help each other, and there may be somecompetition and there may be some. You know some some ego in there, butbut for the most part, we're all in this. I think we feel like we're all inthis together and caveat off of that. This is why it's actually sointeresting to me how the there isn't more, like leagues or you know, teams,pokemon teams or sort of like more again going into e sports, like you're,a team competing against a team, and you have individual matches but you'recompeting for your team. You know that is something i think that would likethrive in pokemon, because it's like you said. I mean that already happenslike right. Now, people go to regional events as a team. You know they playtest together. They create different decks. They narrow down the choices,they predict the meta and they all go in playing the same deck. You know imean that essentially is already a team, so why? Why wouldn't? We have? You knowan e sports teams, team, pokemon events. You know where it's like team competingagainst the team yeah, i think that'd be so cool and like there's so muchpotential in that, because it's already happening and it's just not it's notestablished. You know yeah, it's yeah for sure, so, okay, so so all right sowho's your squad, then, who who's my a yeah, yeah you're on a team all right?It's to you know, team team, alpha right and your captain who's who's.Your squad. You know you got like four choices. Oh god, i have nice. I know it wasn'ton the docket for tonight. This is putting you on the spot. You can'tthrow me a curve of. Oh no, oh no like. If, if i didn't choose my local playerslike, i feel like they would be mad at me because they're my they're, my riderdies. You know they're, my homies, that's good! That's the right! An ifeel like if i was on any sort of team it probably would be like with my localsquad or whatever. Just because you know we played us together, we we builddecks together, like we've, been playing together for a long time. Sothat's that's why i would love to carry into that space for sure yeah. It'sawesome. Do you ever feel, and not i mean this is not throwing ateam out of the bus. I mean. There's a local players are so awesome o, but doyou ever wish that you were more like,...

...and maybe you are do you ever wish,though, that you were more connected, and this is speaking from someone thatdoesn't know, but like do you ever wish that there was more dialogue betweenyou and like top competitive players, not that i don't know again that youdon't have this communication, but i'm wondering if you don't do you wish thatthere was more yeah? I have a little sliver of that just because i'vecoached with people and i actually know a lot of these people who have reachedout to me and they enjoy my content and they watch it and they play competitivepokemon. So i think that's really cool. I do, i would say yeah. I do think iwish that there was more connection there for me to actually get more involved with the competitivescene and the competitive crew of people. I mean it's very small likeactually like it's base, but it's small at the same time everybody kind ofknows each other, but i think it's a hundred percent on me. I think i'm justit's very difficult to balance concentration with competitive playwith and which is why i know, which is why the tg channels are justlike tgd channels, because it's so hard to balance both tc g and you know yourpersonal life, your home life like playing locally competitively as wellwith online content creation, creating videos trying to diversify that as well.It's definitely a lot so yeah, i think in the future there will be for sure,yeah cool. That's awesome: that's awesome. Okay, we're going to we're going toswitch up things. We didn't talk in the in the opening here, but we do a cardof the day and i would love to know boo, a card that youhave some attachment to that. You love. Maybe it's the art. Maybe you played it.You know, maybe it's your first card that you ever got or your mostexpensive card. What is the cart of the day for today o? Oh, what do we? Whatwe're just naming one or do your part of the day, your part of the day and ishould have- i should have gone over this with you before we started the onething in the dock that i that i didn't go over. But what is it could be a favorite cart. It could be an nostalgic card. What islike, you're worth that your your card? Whatis your maybe favorite card? First, one or one that comes to mind,yeah yeah, everybody are probably already know, is my favorite card,because i've done many interviews before i say it, so i'm in the firstone i came to mind, which is the the team of blas oys, actually thepowerful squall. So oh, my gosh squaw, that that is my cart of the day, no way yeah. I know this kind of random right,dude, the squall that is such a like. It's such a great meme card it. It isno good. I love those kinds of cards where it's like you are just so much at the whim likethere's nothing. You can really control. It's like all right paper, squall.Looking at the top five like give me as many waters, it's top six tops of six syeah i du yeah. I love that card. My first deck that i played, like myactual first like decent deck, was a water deck and he he was in it thatblastic card and every time i use this move i'd be like a a call yeah, it's so funny so yeah. I don'tknow why. I love that car i'll always love that card yeah. You know i lovesquirrel to so i guess it's kind of just seguente that but yeah. I lovethat card totally. That's awesome! That's a great card, great card! It isawesome. I e the art works, really cool on it. Well, it's kind of like hunchedover and got that like yeah, swirls,...

...yeah yeah for sure that's awesome. So, let's, let's change gears a littlebit into kind of card collecting yeah recently you've been, i mean in the news. I guess is like avery appropriate way to the cut kind of a take yeah yeah i mean not. I don'tknow if how much you like right into that. That was not the bestjournalistic peace, i would say: oh they did too i'm wondering what's undereffete did to let me see, i read, i read one of them, i'm not surei saw i saw it actually on facebook, yeah and then i read and i was lose acouple of times and every time i see i'm like. Why is this news? Oh no yeahyeah! So talking about like like your position in kind of this t,this saga- and maybe it's over, you know again, i'm not like super into thedrama. I just kind of know. You know from a bird's eye view about what's toe, but do you feel like your and for thoseof you that don't know there is this? I don't know, and you can explain alittle bit better, but just from what i understand there is you were callingout a number of high end collectors. Most notably gary has king hocean, who you know kind of disrespected in a way,maybe on a recent video, the signature of a rita who has drawn a number oficonic cards in the pokemon trading card game. Did you see the new ptorwork in arida? I know i know it's so good, it's so good the stuff and likethere's a new noverint that is like neighbor, oh my gosh, it's so good yeah.This is the card and i was like we do not deserve him. I know what i mean. Iknow so good. I know it's so good. So so he said recently. I'm going to missquote because i don't have it up in front of me, but basically that thatthe the signature doesn't mean anything interms of the value of the card. It's essentially worthless to the value of afirst edition v gs. Ten charlson. Do you feel likeyour, you know, and you had some some things to say about that on twitter,you made a youtube video about it. Do you feel, like you have through through your discourse, and i know he's kind of called you outof a little bit too. There's been some kind of back and forth, at least to myunderstanding, at least from what what kotoko has said. Do you feel like you've, improved thesituation, made it worse or have had no effect with? Well, what situation areyou talking about? I guess just like the general, like polarization of thehobby, do you think? Yes, yeah? Let's start there, so just like collectors, verse, players,yeah, maybe yeah- hmm, that's tough! I don't know aboutthat. One! That's a really! I honestly don't even know how i would gauge thatthe if i made it worse or better, i mean it's like kind of impossible tosay right, but it yeah yeah, it's very difficult to say. I think what i cansay is that that i do not regret talking about it.That's for sure, i'm happy that i talked about you know. Everything i say iseverything that i firmly believe in every everything i say on my platformand all that it's what i believe in- and you know i care very, very deeplyabout this hobby, whether that's anyone in the hobby and i think, a lot of thepolarization is actually not coming from the side of players or the sigh. Youknow me i specifically as well. I think it's actually coming heavily from theother side of the coin, and you know...

...people who people always talk aboutgate, keeping and stuff get keeping the hobby he keeping people out of a hobby,but it's like they also kind of like welcome scalpersinto the hobby, which is technically like the biggest form of gatekeeping.Because i mean, if you're talking about people, you know hoarding product toresell it for higher value. That's literally gay keeping people from beingable to financially be involved in this hobby because they can't afford it. Youknow so or there's nothing or there's nothingfor them to afford. You know i mean like or there's noactual product out there. You know it's yeah. Meanwhile, you know someone hasyou know six hundred boxes. You know that they're hoarding thatthey got off. You know a bot on the walmart side or whatever yeah, it'shorrible, there's a lot of negative aspects that have come out of pokmonlast year, but i think, like it's tough, because i think all was started reallywith my state of the cg video a couple months back and i think that videobeing interpreted so wildly for what not what it was. That's what really hasstarted a lot of the misunderstandings in this whole entire discourse.Honestly- and you know that video was for me to say- and i lumped myself intothat video, because i am a content creator that has a platform that videowas only supposed to be. You know we can't control the amount of products.Pokemon is printing. We can't control these big box stores that you know andwhat what you know things they put in place to help scalping and stuff. Wecan't control an if that, like what the only thing we can control as contentcreators with platforms, you know representing pokemon, is what directionwe steer this hobby in, and i think the pendulum this year has swung so heavilytoward the financial side, and you know valuing monetary value so heavily,especially when you're talking about the influx of tons of new people in thehobby, for them to only be seeing one side of the hobby is damaging to thehobby, and it's not only keeping people out of the hobby with you know notbeing able to be involved with it anymore, but it's keeping people awayfrom it because they see such like terrible behaviors. You know a like ta,like bad business tactics that have spawn from this. You know people doinglike pre orders for products before they get any allocation for things.People ging, screwed over on preorders people, not finding products at storesknow people can punch at targets like over products like no one wants to bearound that. It's such a down side of the hobby and it's like you'd, want tonot encourage that as much as possible. So i you know that video is literallyjust trying to be like steer away from your way from money. More, you knowyeah yeah. No, i mean that's, i mean i'm with you. You know like i'm totallywith you on that, because there you know. Certainly there are a lot of uglythings that we saw. You know you mentioned like this: go violence likenever should be associated with the pokmon trading, circa and any factionright come unless maybe you know, you're wearing a you're in a diamondstudded charlot around your neck to to bo yeah that technically yeah. That is no, but but yeah i mean, and then idon't know it's just. It is interesting because you have this. I feel likemaybe a little bit complicated relationship, because what you'resaying is like hey guys, you know, don't don't don't horrid,don't scalp like like leave some for the rest of us and then and then alsolike being a pack opener, and you know and opening these products that nobodycan get. So what was what was that? Did you ever have to like answer anyquestions about that? How did you kind of navigate that situation? What didyou you know? How did you rationalize that or talk yourself through that? Soso i guess another little mini story.

I've talked about before on anotherlive stream. I've done but sort of side story to that. So the biggest thing that came up wasjust like. Oh, how could you you know, say this stuff about how people shouldbe represented. Homing, even though it's like i lump myself into thatcategory. So it's not like i'm just like pointing fingers or anything like.I am i'm a part of this. You know. Technically, if i am saying you know,sensationalize pokmon is technically a part of the problem. I am technically abart problem, so that is something you know that i heavily am aware of so, butthe biggest thing was like. You opened twelve hundred packs of champions path when you celebratedtwenty k, subs and so side story. Behind that i mean this was beforethings got really really into yeah ud really find any product. So not thatthat's at that seems like ages ago. I'll be honest, i know that's it cameout. I know it was yeah it's, but still it was wild. So so i actually back when i you know flipmy youtube setting settings on and say sorry making self sort of money on thistop. For someone actually reached out to me who was very financially involvedwith folk mon. They you know, could get a lot of products. They had adistributor hook up and they could. They were very involved with, likeflipping pokemon, not not flipping, like sealed products like for profit orwhatever, but opening a lot of poke mon to great hem and then flipping theslabs. If that makes sense, so they had like a financial steak in the hobby and they pretty much were like hey, youknow we can team up. I can give you tons of product to open for yourchannel for me like you'd, open it and send itback to me, so i can grade the cards and stuff, but your channel will growand then we can sort of like split revenue sort of thing and to me youknow, being this up and coming new, you tuber, you know i've. I up to thatpoint. I wasn't able to afford any product on the chance yeah. Of courseexactly and i'm just like wow. Yes, you know this. Will you know really kick my platform off the groundand it did it really accelerated my growth on the platform. You know i wasdoing live streams every sunday opening a lot of products, but unfortunately,especially after that twelve hundred pack stream, you know i was openingthose packs for ten hours straight on a live stream for twenty k celebrationand we were given away all of these like graded chars arts, and it wasreally cool event. Everyone was really happy with it, but me personally, itwas kind of like a revelation for me, because not only was it not fun reallyfor me to be there opening twelve hundred facts over ten hours like, iliterally have a ongoing shoulder injury from that event,i kid you not like. I messed up my shoulder on doing that. Oh my god,shocks so bad, but i i was sick of the set i couldn't eveni can't even look at a champions path card. None of the cards are mine. Youknow i shipped him all yeah yeah. I hate that set more than anything. Oh mygod. You know, and it's like, i became so like numb to it too, and i was justlike wow. This is, and what's what was sad about it was like that was the mostmost growth i've ever seen on. My channel was when i was opening allthese products, and i was just like you know it was kind of like a fork in theroad like i can either stay on this course. You know, i have the connection.I have all the possibilities to grow. My channel get tons of subs make a lotof money, or i could you know, be happy with myself and my life yeah. Exactlysigning a you know deal with the devil in a sense exactly at that option to,and so...

...you know hit up. My connection i waslike i can't do this. You know like this is not going to work for me. Youknow i, like my heart, was just in a different place and so yeah, i don't think that's ever gonna happen to go, enjoy it, but it's cool. It was really.It was good to go through that experience yea, because what actuallyhappened after that was then i was like. I want to be more involved with what iactually am passionate about in this hobby, which is the tg know. I'd beeninvolved with it even up until that point, but i wanted to invest more mytime and my content to that and that's when you know we start working on thestream and actually casting matches and all that and and that's when i did my three partseries. You know i spent so much time on that series and it was like one ofmy least viewed things, but it me an meant the most to me, because i hadbeen trying to make that series for so long and it has helped so many peopleand like long term, it's getting tons of us now, because you know long termpeople now it's every great, a tin of play. Sure exactly. But you know it was like i'm happierknowing that i'm helping more people do something versus you know, openingtwelve hundred packs and gaining a lot for myself. I guess because that makessense, so those for yeah and and what's cool about that too, is like that'sliterally. Why pokemon reached out to me was because of my player basecontent, so it's like, i will probably wouldn't even be a partner or you know sure, on the l with ho sureexactly if i didn't end up going toward you know the path i chose and that'sthat's really his growth, like as a content creator. You know you're notgoing to do everything perfect you're, going to have some bumps along the way,but you're going to find what you truly enjoy doing, and i think that's a i canreally ask for. I guess, is: is there a perfect statement tokind of end? The cast i mean i don't think is beautiful, o that is beautiful,so yeah we were going to talk a littlechilling rain. I think we'll have to save it for later, because it was justa you know. Thank you for for sharing tonight. This was really yeah greatgreat to have you on the cast, really appreciate. You know the time that youhave devoted to to us. You know here a tact team andthen also to the pokemon card community. How large is really fantastic? Havinggone, thank you so much for having me. I appreciate i love talks like this. Soany time, i'm down harry okay! Well, we you know i yeah yeah. I just talk to mypeople yeah and my people and your people andyeah. That's that's how it works. I yeah absolutely absolutely so not thatyou need any. You know plugging, but please you know,while we're here, if you've never heard of frosti cariboo, what should theyknow about how to find more about? You youtube is my main channel justfrostier on instagram, it's frosted poke boo, so a little bit different andthen my w de is actually my competitive pokemon channel. It's it's wapew,entertainment. I don't know whap down like the arango move. You know i'mtalking about a range hard yeah, so that is my like competitive channel. We have a couple matches up onthere now, but that is where i will really be delving into doing morecompetitive sall contents like a whole different thing separated for mychannel, but on my channel we do pack openings. I do live streams playingwith viewers and stuff as well and yeah. It's pretty chill awesome, that's great!Thank you again. So much we w being here, you know, i got to say, is wentbetter than i thought i than i was...

...starting thinking a you know what i canbe that i'll tell you after the stream or after we get off a recording. No i'mjust kidding, i'm totally kidding i've tol. Looking. Thank you once again forjoining us. This is been tag. Team appreciate all the listener ship. Ifyou wouldn't mind, if you enjoyed this talk, leave us a five star view. Leaveus a little comment down below tell us maybe how tag team can get better andimprove in the future. That's all for us today have a great rest of yourafternoon.

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