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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 44 · 1 year ago

3-44. Un-BOU-lievable

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Frosted Caribou and JW sit down to talk all things behind the scenes - from a day in the life, to the drama surrounding scalpers, Bou is sure to intrigue listeners. 

Welcome back to tag team everyone, Pokemon TCG's premiere podcasting duo. I'm JW CREEWALL and normally I would say I'm joined by Riley Albert, but he is not here today. However, have a great guest for you today. This is frosted Caribou. Shelby is joining us on the stream today and on the cast. Say Hi, boom. Hello. I'm just telling days, Ivy, I'm super awkward and introductions. so that's bout as good as you're going to get from me. Yeah, I mean it's it's kind of remarkable this, you know, just just how natural I think. You know, I was actually kind of expecting, you know, for you to be maybe a little different than you are on the video, but, like I'm so far, you know, it's been very, I'm kind of natural. I don't know, that's just for me. Sometimes I feel like there's kind of a character, you know, that I'm playing when I'm on a stream or when I'm, you know, doing a video or something like that. But that maybe isn't definitely gonna like turn of energy, I would say. For sure, in any sort of content creation you got to be kind of like super engaging. I guess. But yeah, no, everyone I've talked to at least like, I don't know, Reese's recently. Well, actually, that was just like ever is usually like you seem pretty norm I mean I've even had people I men real life are like wow, here the exact it's. Yeah, I don't know if that's a compliment. Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I hear that, because I hear that too. It's like, you know, Oh, man, you're you're kind of like weird, like you do these videos, like it's got weird and then like you're also like, you know, just a regular dude. You know, you're just normal. You're a person. Yeah, person, holy Molition, so funny. Well, great, thank you so much for joining us tonight. Well, it's joining me, joining me, and you know, I guess it's will be here with us in spirit. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely, always in spirit, if you're rightly watching this. Well, this is good. I had just a lot of questions, I mean both kind of content creation wise, pokemon card wise. I hope we do get to asking you know your thoughts on on things in in the card game sphere. But yeah, let's start with just kind of what's it? What's it day in the life of Boo like you are obviously one of, you know, for the viewers that don't know, one of the bigger content creators in the POKEMON trading card game. I think, you know, maybe gearing a little bit more towards pack opening, but certainly having a sizeable presence in the playing I know that you stream your tournaments and you've, you know, certainly posted gameplay videos and you have, you know, a really nice series of I think a three partter on how to start playing the game. I'm so certainly like feet and both realms. Yeah, what is a day in the life look like for you? Honestly, really boring and one day, and probably versus what people think like. I feel like people always think like content creators and stuff, like we live in these super big, lavish lives, you know, but it's like very opposite. For me, em pretty much have I have a lot of pets, so usually get up take care of my pets. I have tons of plants as well, so I'm like water on my plants. As far as the content and like actual work goes, just filming and editing. That's really it. That's like the motions you go through. Is Filming, editing, you know, planning, researching, depending on what I'm filming. You know, I have a like a pokemon club, so cool. That's like Wednesday nights will hang out, we'll play. I have local players I play with as well a lot. So yeah, that's kind of it. It's very it's very chill. I literally I say this all the time to people I know because I have like a junker car and it's doesn'tven have air conditioning. Has It's like a two thousand and six.

It's Super Old, but I'm like, Yo, two thousand and six isn't bad old. No, I mean for it's Super Junky, though. Yeah, and I'm like well, I mean I only drive like five miles a month probably, yeah, never leave my house, so it's okay, you know. Yeah, no, I mean in you're in a nice area to do it. I mean, I can't imagine Tennessee is particularly you know, expect I mean I don't know, but again, you know, it kind of feels like Ohio in a way. You know, I've lived in Ohio for like five years now and it's you know, it's definitely not California. I'll say that. Oh Yeah, definitely, and I mean like we're like like Nashville area. So there's definitely some cool stuff around here, but it's not it's not the most riveting place I've ever been, I guess. Yeah, Nashville is definitely, definitely an interesting place. We are down there. Yeah, Oh man, my wife and I just celebrated our second two year anniversary. We went down to Nashville for for just hanging out again. She went to school a Vanderbilt, so we hung out and saw some of her old friends and kind of our old haunts and things like that. That's really fun. That's really awesome. Yeah, would you ever? Would you ever consider moving? Like? Has I've ever been something that crossed your mind, like you know how? Because, okay, so you know, pokemon is so isolated, right, and there's only a handful. Like we talked about, content creation is being something that's kind of like a new frontier right, a very recent you know, within the last ten years have people made a living off of content creation, but then even more so, pokemon trading card game like has like you know, there's the sphere of content creators and then there's the sphere of pokemon content creators and then like maybe even the sphere of like competitive TCG content creators is like you know, hold them, you know, you Andrew, you know as Wull like like. It's very, very small. As the thought ever like crossed your mind, like I know in a lot of other games and with a lot of other content creators, they want to get out of where they are and moved to some place bigger, on New York and La Chicago or something like that. Have you ever, I don't know, thought on that? Oh No, I'm actually probably the opposite. If anything, I'd want to move somewhere more isolated, like living in the woods, somewhere away from big cities, you and your plants, exactly exactly. I can't fathom spending so much money on like the living cost of those areas. I grew up in DC, so, like I know how expensive it is, especially compared to where I've lived after it's been much, much, much cheaper and to I can't imagine like sacrificing that much money on like paying rent for a place where like you could buy like literally a mansion somewhere else. You know what I mean. You really wanted to. It's crazy out there. It's crazy, it is. Have you ever, like is that kind of an end goal for you then to just like kind of hide away and be a reclusive like yeah, evercluse out, just go away. Wow, that sounds kind of depressing, but I mean kind of a little bit. Yeah, I would rather. I would rather save the money for the living cost and then save that money to go, say, like travel somewhere really cool or go out of the dates or something like that. I think that's a way cooler experience than just living in a cool area that you're just paying a lot of money for, you know. Yeah, for sure, for sure. So content creation journey. Let's I want to know how it started, because you've been creating for now about what three to four years? Is that actually since twenty sixteen, two thousand and sixteen. Okay, I'm a little off. They're sorry about that. No, no, but talk to me about what I was really interested in is like that barrier from going from just creating content to making it a full time job. What was yeah, what was that like? So I actually was doing twitch full time before I did Youtube. Okay, so I kind of had a foot in like the online space already. I started my twitch channel. I actually played like competitive age of empires too, I know. Yeah, kind of a throwback RTS game. That's awesome. So, yeah, that's how...

I kind of kicked off my twitch channel and then it went into just variety games, sort of kind of just chill saying, and then I kind of I got partnership on twitch and it was kind of like at that point where like you made it on twitch. I mean yeah, five years ago or four years ago, like yeah, right, sure, exactly. So and I don't know, I guess it just wasn't it was something like live streaming just wasn't for me long term and I have always been very much into like content creation, as far as it goes with like editing videos and actually creating the content versus just like a live stream. Sure. So I was already kind of trying to segue into something else in the content sphere and I had really gotten into Pokemon at the time. This is like two thousand and nineteen, two thousand and eighteen, two thousand and nineteen ish, and that's when, you know, I saw that pokemon had a space, the TCG had a space on youtube and I just randomly got back into the the TCG along with, you know, a couple of the this is right when Pokemon let's go came out. Oh, very cool nap for twitch streams. And Yeah, I actually got to travel to Tokyo to and go to some actual pokemon centers there. So there's like something I just got really into very quickly and I was like, let me just do this, and I had so much fun with it, just like making videos, that I just knew that's that's what I wanted to do. So and I was not doing it full time till really, really recently, really okay, because there was just no way, like financially that made sense. For Yeah, no, totally, totally. I was making like pennies off of even when I was monetized on my channel. So I unlocked monetization, but I had no idea like how Youtube worked at all. I had no connections into Youtube and so I actually have like a setting that wasn't even checked for like the longest time, so people weren't actually getting ads on any of my videos. It would be like one ad for like one video forever. So I'd spent hours and hours editing these videos and getting like pennies for it. Oh my God, a long long time up until like late, like literally last winter. Really you hate to see it. Yeah, so and then it's like, I say, I click that setting and then you're like, oh my gosh, I'm actually getting money, I'm getting bags. Yeah, so, yeah, that's kind of funny. That's great. What so when you were in this kind of period, just you know, you're talking recently, you've been able to do it full time. So like, what were you doing, you know, while you were making content, like what other jobs did you have or what were you doing to the kind of supplement? So I was waitressing and bartending and that sucks. I don't know. I was like yeah, I mean I've done like, you know, service second job. So is a very double edged sort of like industry. So those that and then I kind of left that in started working at a local card shop, actually cool in my area, and so that's what I was doing up until I left there, and around like covid pandemic times as well. So that was kind of rough and weird. And Yeah, I started I was actually in between. So I had just left there and I had also just switched my setting on for Youtube and I was in between. I was looking for another job and that's when somehow the income actually replaced it. So yeah, I just it kind of was like a seamless transition. I was only looking for another job for probably like a month and a half, I would say, and in that time I was actually able to do full time content creation. So making consistent content...

...changed obviously how much I could make from it to yea. So of course, of course. Yeah, yeah, because up until that point I was absolutely broke as a joke. Not many people know this, but well, I've said it plenty of times, but most of, like really all of my openings up until like late last year were cards that my boyfriend would buy because he's like a stable job, stable income, and I was just absolutely broke as a joke. So like I would open products that he would buy for us and make it into content. Yes, like really, I was. That was how I was doing my channel. Yeah, I mean that is amazing, like these are all things that I just never knew. You know, that's so wild, and I mean it in it kind of you know, I'm sure that you were. You took very you know, you're very conscious of that, right, like you know, I you know, I would be. I have been. You know, there was a point in my time in my life here recently, whereas, like, you know, I was, you know, searching for a job, my wife had the job and like how could I justify making content, you know, when she's out there every day doing doing good work? And like, yes, certainly that was like a just kind of makes you feel weird, right. Or maybe it didn't. Maybe it didn't, but no, it didn't. Know, it definitely did. Like I tell him all the time, I'm like, you know, I owe so so much, like he always believed in me and like believed that I can make good content. So he's he's supported me through like that whole journey. I guess. You know my setup, like literally my almost my entire setup is because he invested into like my setup, you know. So like literally I would not be making the content I make without him at all. Yeah, so that's yeah, definitely meant a lot to me and still means a lot to me just to have him for support. Now it's actually tables have turned. Ah, now, yeah, he's He's put in that initial investment. Now I buy all of our pope one because I say that's that's investing, baby. You know, look at that worked out for him. Yeah, what an Roi what an Roi. Yeah, exactly, awesome. That's awesome. All right. So, talking about, you know, content and what you make on your channel. Yeah, a lot of it is, you know, of course, packing of openings. We're talking about that, and then you also have your competitive content. So how do you balance the two? What do you think about when you're creating like would you rather put more time into one? Would you rather, you know, do things in a different way? Like what? How are you thinking about the content that you put out for your Youtube Channel? That's stuff, because there's like so much of it that I want to make and like not enough time for me to make it all. You know, yeah, I know it takes so much time, but my whole thing was that, like there there's pack opening videos on Youtube and then there's competitive tcg videos. There's very little like overlap in between those. So actually, you know, having having channels that kind of touched on both and are the best of both worlds. So that was always something that I wanted to kind of do, is connect those like two realms with each other, and that's why I have kind of a good flow now where if I am doing pack openings, yeah, you know, I'm not just saying like Oh, this is a pretty card or like Oh, this is you know, x y Z. I actually try to go into, you know, what this card would be used for, what decade would go into or the competitive aspect of it. So even if it's a person coming just to watch to see what I pull, they still walk away from the video having some information about the TCG and maybe being that much more interested to actually get into playing the TCG. And this has been like the best way to get just collectors and people who like to open, you know or watch pack openings into or interested more...

...in the TCG side of Pokemon. It's been seriously like the best thing ever and I've been able to get so many more people playing, and I think that's really all it takes is like crossing, you know, competitive aspects of the game, yeah, but kind of explaining them in a beginner friendly way, Yep, and doing more of that content. So and then, of course, the live streams with wde and everything came in to play and I was really wanted to show people, Hey, you could play this game like in person. Yeah, and it's really fun and it's really cool to play. So, but I I would definitely want to do more of that content, for sure? Yeah, absolutely, more the competitive side of things. Yeah, yeah, okay, so great. So it. Do you think that that's like the like the future, when you talk about you know, future and like Hashtag goals content? Yeah, yeah, I'll absolutely, okay, absolutely, definitely, I think. I think more of the the pack openings and the collector side is definitely a secondary thing for me versus how interested I am in playing the game. But you know, you can't, you can't really just go gung Ho into something because you are interested in you actually have to like, you know, get other people comfortable in it too. Yeah, no, I mean you have to take your audience with you, and changing that can certainly be really difficult. How, how have you been able to cultivate your audience, like what are some things that you talk about? Are, you know, with other content creators or think about yourself? That has kind of contributed to this. You know, I don't want to say cult following, but certainly the people, I would say the people that like you. Yeah, really like you. You know, I would you agree? Well, it's yeah, I mean, I guess. I mean you don't have like any lukewarm it's not like no no, that's that's not what I mean. But it's not like it's not like you're the only one putting stuff out there. Right. There's a lot of people that, Oh, you know, people can go to for for pack openings. You know, certainly write, but like the people that go to you like, I think, just really love what you do and maybe wouldn't even watch any other pack opener or content creator, you know, or Pokemon TCS your content creator. So definitely talks a little bit about that. That's definitely true, because, you know, I'm not, I'm not delving super heavily into the TCG all the time, and I still know people that will ask me to do certain videos or film sert videos and I'm like they're out there, like I had I watch these videos. You, I know, these content creators that are that's already making this content, but they're like no, I want you to do it. Yeah, I want to see it from you, but so, yeah, I guess I kind of knows you mean by that. I think something I always think about and kind of live by, I guess, is is like if some if someone can take your video and like take you out of it and Plop in anybody else and it would be the same content. Then that's not really coolity content my opinion. You know, people watch your your videos, whoever you are, and if you're any content creator on twitch, on Youtube, whatever, someone's going to stay and watch your videos because they like you. You know, they like your personality. You're relatable to them or you know, they vibe with you, know how you talk about things, you're explain things, or something about you is makes them watch you over others. I think where it comes to me, I think that comes in with probably just like my editing style in my videos, my humor behind things is something that I don't think really can be recreated because it's just random, weird things I think about, you know, pretty random. Great, yeah, exactly, so I think. I think that's all I could say about that. I don't know. Yeah, why do what you guys want to be? I don't know. There you go. Yeah, I mean, I mean the viewers will tell you, I'm sure. Like do you have? People are like, you know, in the comments, I see it it's like, you know, this is so funny, this is great, great insight. You know, it's kind of a very comment...

...section for sure, on any video. Um, I was going to ask a follow up question on that. Oh, yeah, so so with your editing style, because it is, I mean, these are very highly curated videos, which is awesome, which is something I don't feel like and you can, I mean certainly you can say feel free to say, like JW, you're an idiot here, but I don't feel like it's something that translates that well to the card game. This kind of highly edited style doesn't end, you know, it just it doesn't seem like there's a one for one to like chop up a video, and I think there's a number chop up a gameplay video, I should say, and I think there's a number of reasons for that. I think just like tabletop games in general maybe lend themselves to seeing every minute detail, whereas these a highly edited ones. Will, you know, of course, like you have to leave things out or splice things and chop things up. And then the other thing is like, if you look at the content, like a competitive tcg channel would need to be kind of updated very consistently. Right, so you're just kind of putting out videos when the metagame changes or when there are new cards that come out, and there's just kind of this, this immediacy that needs to happen. If you know you're talking about your channel in the future and and doing more TCG related stuff card game playing wise, how would you translate your style or would you do things different? I know exactly to me, because I've already kind of touched on this a little bit because I have been editing a couple of gameplay like just straight matches. Yeah, and I sort of did this at my my job as well, working on a card shop, because we do live stream magic matches as well. So I kind of had a little bit experience in that. And where I think it merges with editing is and where I would personally like for POKEMON TCG get to go or TCG to go is more of like an esports vibe to it. So you know, I don't know if you ever have watched online e sports or anything like. Oh, totally, but there's very cool transitions. There's very cool player highlights where you know they have a green screen behind him and they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. People can't see that really yeah, embarrassing thing I just did, but you know what I mean. So I think there is a lot of opportunity for editing. Okay, in those circumstances, to make like pokemon feel more esports asque. Like I'm talking like really high quality like video of, you know, players actually playing cards and cool transitions and visual things that add dynamics to the match. Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, totally. Or even just highlighting, like almost like documentary style, you know, actually having players discuss hey, what was your you're thinking behind this move, and you see them do it in the game. It could be like a game changing move, and then it, you know, can cut over to them saying like Oh, I was thinking this, this, this, and you actually get to delve into their you know, their mindset behind some of these things. Oh, this is also, if I really really want to explore very heavily, like you don't even know how bad I I'm with you, like that is the dream. I just like I'm raising my eyebrows little skepticism there, just because of you know, you're saying all these things and I'm like and that sounds so good. You know, to make Pokemon like a like a sport or like an esport. Yeah, how do you do it as one person? I know it's it's not even really as one person, because I think we could bring him more people to with that. It's okay. It's more of just like how do I do this with, you know, a lack of player base where I can actually film, you know, like I don't honestly know very many competitive people who are local to...

...me. So it's like if I wanted to do something like this like locally regularly, like, I would have to get a player base, and there's not very many ultimate yeah, like like folks around my area. So yeah, I kind of what I struggle with the most. Yeah, yeah, totally, and like a few thing you're talking about that. I'm sorry, I just want to keep like diving down this because it's just very interesting. I feel like we're touching up set interesting time dream about it. But so, okay, so you're saying there's not a lot of players, you know. So does that? Does that like give you? Okay, so then that circles back to what we were talking about earlier, like do you ever want to move someplace, you know, like do you want to move to a big city or do you want to move to a hot spot where there are more players? And then, secondly, it's all east coast. Yeah, there there's yeah, a lot of players are on the east coast. I look at even though, like in the in the northeast Ohio area, like in, you know, with with full grip and Andrew Mahone, and you know what he was doing before pandemic. Getting that kind of local seen like really bit. I mean they had like forty people for like link challenges on Tuesday night. You know what I mean, like is a little crazy dream. Yeah, for sure. So would there ever be like a just to kind of like bring that a little full circle, like we're you know, would you move for if somebody was like hey, here's a player base, we really want you here. You know, we think we can make some you know, we think we can make the dream happen. Like I mean, I honestly I can adapt to anywhere. So I'm always open to to moving wherever to because the area doesn't really matter as much to me. Like I'm not like I need to live here or else. You know what I mean. The I personally just would not want to live around a big city just because, like I said before, it just costs too much for me to like I like I can't personally like pay that much. I know the painting out I know it hurts, scenes I know. Yeah, we always used to go shopping and it was it was not really looking at what you like, those like looking at the price tag first. Yeah, it's like absolutely. And then the second thing I was thinking about is like well, okay, is there a way for you to cultivate a stronger community where you are? Because obviously, you know, you're really good at, you know, explaining the game and you know your you have this passion for bringing new players in. So is there any kind of thought that you could go to the local store and teach a bunch players to play and then now all of a sudden you have this kind of Fan Bait or, you know, this this group of players that would be able to facilitate some of what you're talking about? That's exactly kind of the route I'm on now actually, and it's already sort of happening. Some people who saw our live streams they're like, Hey, I'm only, you know, an hour out from this, like maybe I could connect with them, maybe I could come play, and we've had actually many connections of people I've never met before, you know, come play with us and learn more about the game and build decks and actually, you know, compete in our like little weekly tournaments and that has been really, really cool. So I definitely think what you're saying. There's a lot in that realm of things. But when it comes down to the like esports vibes type content, people want to see competitive matches of competitive players, high speed, high level Gameplay, you know. So that is where it's still somewhat difficult. You know, I've even been thinking like how can I get people to record their matches that are competitive players and then I can edit that somehow. But like the legisis of it are still lost on me as far as that goes. That it is something I really, really want to do. That is like my goal, my future, where I'm headed in my personal pokemon career, is to get, you know, pokemon into more of an e sports fields. So because I think it has so much potential. It's crazy. I think it does too. I think it does too. I I it's criminal. In my opinion, it is criminal to have only a handful of full time competitive PTC G consecrators. Look at magic,...

I mean even look at you. You look at me, look at Yu Gi oh, thank you, thank you. I look at Yugio stuff every single day, because I am like this is a dead game, and yet they have like ten channels that have over a hundred thousand stubs. Like it makes no sense. Why Yugia? Well, okay, maybe it does and I'm speaking to the wrong person, but like in my brain I'm like, okay, pokemon don't billion dollar franchise. Yes, you know, agree, a household name Yu Gi oh doesn't seem what happer niche is much more naige. Yeah, and there's a way larger player base. I don't understand it either. Another thing that boggles my mind about you, you, because usually when you think esports and you know competitive players and stuff, they are making their living, you know, with sponsorships and playing the game and getting prize money and stuff like that. Most of the time. You, Eo cannot host prize tournaments, I know at all. I know it's literally prohibited. You know, magic like it makes sense, right, because you know, they do have a very strong culture and they give out a ton of money for, you know, high placements. But like Yugio, like you said, yeah, there's you can't you get product right, I'm saying, but there's still somehow more full time, you know, competitive uo players and there is pokemon. I'm like, well, and it's and like the thing that that's weird too's like it's not just that there are more of them, it's like the numbers are just insanely higher. You know, like like, you know, we're all kind of like anticipating, you know, you or Andrew or or the Washee, like reaching that hundred thousand k youtube subscriber goal. You know, just as as a number. That doesn't really mean anything, you know, necessarily, but like a it's a sof plaque. It's a nice shiny yeah, you know, it's a nice shiny milestone. Yeah, but then you, yeah, you look over a U and they got, you know, two hundred, three hundred thousand, you know, like subscribers on multiple channel. It's just crazy. Well, really, when I start realizing this too is when I started working with, you know, card shops or like tcg brands and stuff, and they're like yeah, these are magic influencers, these are you, you influencers, and you're our only pokemon influencer. I'm like what? What? Why? It's just there's not a space for it, for like competitive pokemon play. It's just so small and that's like why I like and dedicating so much of like my time and the work I put into my channel to try to change that, to try to get more people playing. And it's working. It's one hundred percent working. I get, you know, tons of messages weekly from dozens of people who say, you know, you're the reason I'm collecting again, you're the reason I'm playing again. You're the reason, you know, I've collected for twenty years. I've never thought ever saying Yep, but you explain this one card and it's a card I really like. I like this pokemon. I'm going to start playing because I want to build a deck around it. You know, it's it's just like you have to you have to get into what intrigues this person went interests this person by kind of getting them in the entry way, in the entry point, which is pack openings or, you know, some sort of fun, cool content, and then like in that content. It sounds kind of sneaky, but you kind of just said like yeah, and you can play this card in a day, and then they're like, oh, really, you know. No, wait, wait, there's text on the card. It's not just a picture. Yeah, and then they're like wow, that's kind of cool and then they, yeah, look into it more and then it's like hey, watch my three part series, and then they're into it. Yeah, absolutely everyone, of course, but I would say a majority of people that I've heard from usually get into it. Yeah, that's and I mean that's what happened to me. That's how I got into it. So and it is brought nothing but Super Fun Times, Fun people that I've met, and it is added a whole like cool layer to my life. That, like it just helps me enjoy life more and I just want share that one more people. I agree. Yeah, totally with you there. Totally with you there. I mean I've been playing. Yeah,...

I started back when I was like eight years old, like playing with my dad. I had not if I had known that there was a whole circuit. I mean there was a really wasn't like a huge circuit, you know, back when Pokemon was in its infancy. But like, yeah, if I had known that there were other people and weren't just my dad to play, like man, who knows where I could have been, but you know, it would have been like if I had just seen a video, you know, back I mean, obviously it wasn't you two back then. But yeah, the point remains. Like if I was eight year old, that eight years old now, and I saw a video like yours, like another content creators, and like Oh, this is what it could be. You know, that's yeah, that's incredible. And I think to you know, Pokemon and just has this it has this maybe stigma. I don't know if you find that too, but just like where people think, oh, it's for kids, it doesn't really, you know, and even like the game mechanics, like Oh, the game mechanics are not as leaning more. Yeah, yeah, leaning more kids. I mean do you ever get that kind of like counter argument when you're, you know, either in a chat room or in a on the youtube, where it's like this is a game for kids, like I'm not going to bother this. Oh, yeah, easily. Especially when I worked at a card shop. You know, pokemon's kind of seen as like the joke of a card game. Sadly, it's very sad. But what's wild about that is I was actually kind of converting a lot of our magic players and you gio players into playing pokemon at the hard shop. We needed more players because we weren't even firing off our matches. We didn't have four people. Oh my gosh, yeah, is bad. So I start converting people from other games. Yeah, and I was like hey, you know, and Pokemon is a very different game from from magic or you you oh, like very, very different, and a lot, a lot of the dynamics and Pokemon you give a magic players actually really like the drawing cards, the searching the deck. You know. They're like wait, wait, you don't have a hands limit. Wait, your opponent can't tell you to stop what you're doing. Also, like, wait a second, the game's last more than like four turns, right, isn't that like a problement? You deal with all the COMBOS and I don't know, Oh, yeah, like when turned to yeah, yeah, it's so in I mean that's how magic is with commander as well, with high level like commander decks and stuff. So now, yeah, and and that that's actually really what I saw when I was like converting different players from different games. They're like wow, this is so like free flowing and like like it's just very carefree and like easy and like you could literally like your opponent could be playing their turn and you just chill, you know, and you can like like it's a lot more like lightweight, I think. Then then you you O magic is which a lot of people like you know, and I mean then you draw in people who just genuinely are interested in Pokemon and the artwork of Pokemon and have connections to the pokemon themselves, me included. You know, there's Pokemon I'm like, I want to make a deck out of this because I really like this pokemon. Like that's how I was with Lucario. Yeah, yeah, I'm playing Lucargo Mel metals like I'm playing that because, you know, I makes me feel something. Yes, exactly. You have this like connection to your cards. That is I don't think you honestly can get as much in in magic or you go as you do with Pokemon, for sure. So there's definitely a sort of different connection to it. But yeah, I do think people write it off being very, very kid friendly because of that as well. It's a double edged sword. I guess I'll pokemons a kids show. So but no one ever says about the VGC though, which is kind of funny for me. I know, I know, but but like, and that's their play. The VJ said, and that's the other thing too, is like yeah, let's let's get off the kind of you know, magic and your content creator train and like let's switch to the VGC. Like that has a pretty you know, rapid fan base as well, and like a lot of well I should say a lot, but you know, still like way more than the trading card game. And Yeah, that's always kind of been interesting to me too. I think that's just because like more people kind of had a foothold into the Games, because a...

...lot of people play the POKEMON Games. So it was just like hey, you know, it's kind of like you play like a FPS game and then you're like mom, pretty good at this, or you know, let me try to go into this competitively. I feel like that happens a lot more for the VGC, whereas people who collect cards are are just, you know, it's not like they're playing with them, like they're fun and their enjoyment is in the collection of it, so they don't even think to play with it. You know what I mean? Sure, and I mean this this goes all the way back to and pokemon first came out, and I've talked to people many times before like they were trying to kick off Pokemon as ATCG heavily, like they had entire camps set up, like summer camps for you to go play Pokemon and learn how to play Pokemon, and that was a whole thing back when pokemon first came out. They pressed it so heavily, but for some reason people wanted to just trade and collect. That was just always what was more heavily interested in by a majority of people. So, you know, I really don't know why, but I'm glad that we're making up for lost times, I guess. Well, you are working to change that, you know, and that's I think. I mean, we all are that and I think to when it comes to like content creators, this is something that I found, and I don't know too much about, you know, the confocation of magic or any other game really, but like pokemon creators seem to be very, you know, very much about everyone doing well, you know, where it's like they're willing to donate their time to help you know. I mean you're donating your time right now. So this cast so like, thank you so much for being here, of course. You know, it's like these kinds of things where it's like we're all trying to help each other and there may be some competition and there maybe some you know some, some you go in there, but but for the most part we're all in this. I think we feel like we're all in this together and caviat off of that. This is why it's actually so interesting to me how the there isn't more like leaks or, you know, teams, pokemon teams, or sort of like more again going into esports, like you're a team competing against a team and you have individual matches, but you're competing for your team. You know, that is something I think that would like thrive in Pokemon, because it's, like you said. I mean that already happens like right now. People go to regional events as a team. You know, they play test together, they create different decks, they they narrow down the choices, they predict the Meta and they all go in playing the same deck. You know. I mean that essentially is already a team. So why, why wouldn't we have, you know, any sports team's team pokemon events, you know, where it's like team competing against the team. Yeah, I think that'd be so cool and like there's so much potential in that because it's already happening and it's just not it's not established. You know. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So, okay. So, so, all right. So who's your squad then? Who? Who's your Frie yeah, yeah, you're on a team. All right, it's team, you know, team, team Alfa, right, and your captain? Who's your who's your squad? You know, you got like for choices? Oh God, I have no ie. I know it wasn't on the docket for tonight. This is putting on the spot. You can't throw me a curveball. Oh No, oh no, like if I if I didn't choose my local players, like I feel like they would be mad at me because they're my they're my ride or dies. You know, they're my homies. That's good, that's good. That's the right. Feel like if I was on any sort of team, it probably would be like with my local squad or whatever, just because, you know, we played us together, we we build decks together, like we've been playing together for a long time. So that's that's why I would love to carry into that's face case, for sure. Yeah, that's awesome. Do you ever feel, and not I mean this is not throwing a team out of the bus. I mean there's a local players are so awesome, but do you ever wish that you were more like,...

...and maybe you are. Do you ever wish, though, that you were more connected, and this is speaking from someone that doesn't know, but like, do you ever wish that there was more dialog between you and like top competitive players? Not that I don't know, again, that you don't have this communication, but I'm wondering if you don't, do you wish that there was more? Yeah, I have a little sliver of that, just because I've coached with people and I actually know a lot of these people who have reached out to me and they enjoy my content, they watch it and they played competitive pokemon. So I think that's really cool. I do. I would say, yeah, I do think I wish that there was more connection there for me to actually get more involved with the competitive scene, in the competitive crew of people. I mean it's very small, like actually like it's basic, but it's small at the same time, like everybody kind of knows each other, but I think it's a hundred percent on me. I think I'm just it's very difficult to balance content creation with competitive play, with and which is why I know, which is why the TCG channels are just like tcg channels because it's so hard to balance both TCG and, you know, your personal life, your home life, Um, like playing locally competitively as well with online content creation, creating videos, trying to diversify that as well. It's it's definitely a lot. So, yeah, yeah, I think in the future there will be for sure. Yeah, cool, that's awesome. That's awesome. Okay, we're gonna we're going to switch up things. We didn't talk in the in the opening here, but we do a card of the day and I would love to know, boo, a card that you have some attachment to? Do you love? Maybe it's the art, maybe you played it, you know, maybe it's your first card that you ever got or your most expensive card. What is the card of the day for today? Oh, what do we what? We're just naming one or do your card of the day? Your card of the day, and I should have, I should have gone over this with you before we started. The one thing in the dock that I that I didn't go over. But what is it could be a favorite card, it could be a nostalgic card. What is like your worf them, your your card? What is your maybe favorite card, first one or one that comes to mind. Yeah, everybody are probably already knows my favorite card because I've done many interviews before. I say it's so I'm first one that came to mind, which is the the team of blast Soyce, actually the powerful squall. WHOA, oh my gosh, squall, that that is my card of the day. No Way. Yeah, I know that's kind of random. Rate Dude, the squall. That is such a like it's such a great meme card. It is so good. I love those kinds of cards where it's like you are just so much at the whim, like there's nothing you can really control. It's like all right, powerful squall, looking at the top five've like give me as many waters. It's top six, tops up, six, yeah, six, good. Yeah, I love that card. My first deck that I played, like my actual first, like decent deck, was a water deck and he he was in it, the blast ye card, and every time I use his move and like Al Yeah, right, it's so funny. So yeah, I don't know why I love that card. I'll always love that card. Yeah, yeah, I love squirtl too, so I guess it's kind of just segue into that. But Yeah, I love that card totally. That's awesome. That's a great card. Great Card. It is awesome. It's kind the artworks really cool on it. Well, it's kind of like hunched over and got that, like yeah, swirls. Yeah,...

...yeah, for sure, that's awesome. So let's let's change gears a little bit into kind of card collecting. Yeah, recently you've been, I mean in the news. I guess is like a very appropriate way to could kind of a Taku. Yeah, yeah, I mean that. I don't know if how much you like read into that. That was not the best journalistic piece, I would say. Well, they did too, and I'm wondering which a new effort they did too. Let me see, I read. I read one of them. I'm not sure it saw. I saw it actually on facebook. Yeah, and then I read it. I was like a couple of times and I every time I see him like why is this news? Oh No, yeah, yeah, so talking about like like your position in kind of this this saga, and maybe it's over. You know again, I'm not like super into the drama. I just kind of know, you know from a bird's eye view about what's going on. But do you feel like you're and for those of you that don't know. There's this I don't know and you can explain a little bit better, but just from what I understand, there was you were calling out a number of high end collectors, most notably Gary Has King Pokemon, who you know kind of disrespected in a way maybe on a recent video, the signature of Arita, who has drawn a number of iconic cards in the POKEMON trading card game. Did you see the new Pika? To you, rt work, it's a Rita. I know, I know, it's so good. It's so good, the stuff. And like there's a new noiver that is like aesome knowiver and oh my gosh it's so good. Yeah, the stuff, the card, and I was like we do not deserve him. I know not. I mean, I know so good, I know it's so good. So so he said recently. I'm going to miss quote because I don't have it up in front of me, but basically that the that the the signature doesn't mean anything in terms of the value of the cart. It's essentially worthless to the value of a first edition bvgs. Ten Charson, do you feel like you're you know, and you had some some things to say about that on twitter. You made a youtube video about it. I do you feel like you have through your discourse, and I know he's kind of called you out a little bit too. There's been some kind of back and forth, at least to my understanding, at least from what what Kotaku has said. Do you feel like you've improved the situation, made it worse, or have had no effect with well, what situation are you talking about? I guess just like the general like polarization of the hobby. You think, yes, yeah, let's start there. So just like collectors verse players, yeah, maybe. Yeah, HMM, that's tough. I don't know about that one. That's a really I honestly don't even know how I would gage that the if I made a worse or I mean it's like kind of impossible to say, right, but it's yeah, yeah, it's very difficult to say. I think what I can say is that that I do not regret talking about it, that's for sure. I'm happy that I talked about you know, everything I say is everything that I firmly believe in, everything everything I say on my platform and all that. So what I believe in, and you know I care very, very deeply about this hobby, whether that's anyone in the hobby, and I think a lot of the polarization is actually not coming from the side of players or the side, you know me specifically as well. I think it's actually coming heavily from the other side of the coin. And you know people who people always talk about gatekeeping and stuff, gate keeping the...

...hobby, gate keeping people out of hobby, but it's like they also kind of like welcome scalpers into the hobby, which is technically like the biggest form of gatekeeping, because, I mean, if you're talking about people, you know, hoarding product to resell it for higher value, that's literally gatekeeping people from being able to financially be involved in this hobby because they can't afford it, you know, so or there's nothing or there's nothing for them to afford. Yes, I mean like or there's no action product out there. You know, it's yeah, meanwhile, you know someone has, you know, six hundred boxes a you know that they're hoarding that they got off, you know, a Bot on the Walmart side or whatever. Yeah, it's horrible. There's a lot of negative aspects of come out and Pokemon last year, but I think like it's tough because I think all of this started really with my state of the TCG video a couple months back, and I think that video being interpreted so wildly for what, not what it was. He's what really has started a lot in the misunderstandings and this whole entire discourse. Honestly, and you know, that video was for me to say and I lumped myself into that video because I am a content creator that has a platform. That video was only supposed to be. You know, we can't control the amount of products pokemon is printing. We can't control these big box stores that you know and what what? You know things they put in place to help scalping and stuff. We can't control any of that. Like what? The only thing we can control as content creators with platforms, you know, representing Pokemon, is what direction we steer this hobby in, and I think the pendulum this year has swung so heavily toward the financial side and, you know, valuing monetary value so heavily, especially when you're talking about the influx of tons of new people in the hobby, for them to only be seeing one side at the hobby is damaging to the hobby and it's not only keeping people out of the hobby with, you know, not being able to be involved with it anymore, but it's keeping people away from it because they see such like terrible behaviors, you know, tat like Tat, like bad business tactics that have spawned from this. You know, people doing like pre orders for products before they get any allocation for things, people getting screwed over on pre orders, people not finding products and stores. No, people get punched at targets like over products. Like no one wants to be around that. It's such a downside of the hobby and it's like you'd want to not encourage that as much as possible. So I've you know, that video is literally just trying to be like steer away from your away from money, Moore. You know, yeah, yeah, now, I mean that's I mean, I'm with you, you know, like I'm totally with you on that, because they're you know, certainly there are a lot of ugly things that we saw. You know, you mentioned like this is go. Violence like never should be associated with the POKEMON trading cur game and any faction, right, unless maybe you know you're wearing a you're wearing a diamond studded charst around your neck to box. Yeah, that technically, yeah, that is no, but but yeah, I mean, and then I don't know, it's just it is interesting because you have this I feel like, maybe a little bit complicated relationship, because what you're saying is like hey, guys, you know, don't, don't, don't Horr, don't scalp, like like leave some for the rest of us. And then and then also like being a pack opener and you know, and opening these products that nobody can get. So what was what was that? Did you ever have to like answer any questions about that? How did you kind of navigate that situation? What did you you know, how did you rationalize that or or talk yourself through that? So so I guess another little mini story. I've talked about it before on another...

...live stream I've done, but sort of side story to that. So the biggest thing that came up was just like Oh, how could you, you know, say this stuff about how people should be represented hommy even though it's like I love myself into that category. So it's not like I'm just like pointing fingers or anything like I am. I'm a part of this. You know, it's technically, if I am saying, you know, sensationalizing pokemon is technically a part of the problem. I am technically a bartled problem. So that is something you know that I heavily am aware of. So, but the biggest thing was, like you opened one hundred packs of Champions Path when you celebrated k subs and so side story behind that. I mean this was before things got really, really inten Oh, yeah, can really find any product. So not that that's an excuse. That seems like ages ago, I'll be honest. I know that's came out. I know it was. Yeah, it's but still it was wild. So so I actually back when I, you know, flip my youtube setting all settings on and say sorry making some sort of money on this spot for someone actually reached out to me who was very financially involved with Pokemon. They, you know, could get a lot of products. They had a distributor hook up and they could. They were very involved with like flipping Pokemon, not not flipping like sealed products, like for profit or whatever, but opening a lot of pokemon to gradom and then flipping the slabs, if that makes sense. So they had like a financial steak in the hobby and they pretty much were like hey, you know, we can team up. I can give you tons of product to open for your channel for me, like you'd open it and send it back to me so I can grade the cards and stuff, right, but your channel will grow and then we can sort of like split revenue sort of thing. and to me, you know, being this up and coming new you Tuober, you know, I've up to that point, I wasn't able to afford any product of the chance. Yeah, of course, exactly, and I'm just like wow, yes, you know, this will, you know, really kick my platform off the ground, and it did. It really accelerated my growth on the platform. You know, I was doing live streams every Sunday opening a lot of product, but unfortunately, especially after that one one hundred pack stream, you know, I was opening those packs for ten hours straight on a live stream fork celebration and we were given a way all of these like grated chars ards, and it was really cool event. Everyone's really happy with it, but me personally, it was kind of like a revelation for me, because not only was it not fun really for me to be there opening twelve inchred facts of or ten hours like I literally have a ongoing shoulder injury from that event. I kid you not, like I messed at my shoulder from doing that. Oh my God, shucks so bad. But I I was sick of the set. I couldn't even, I can't even look at a champions path card. None of the cards are mine, you know, I shipped them all that. Yeah, yeah, I hate that set more than anything, Oh my God, you know. And it's like it I became so like numb to it too, and I was just like, wow, this is an and what's what was sad about it was like that was the most most growth I've ever seen on my channel. was when I was opening all these products and I was just like, you know, I it was kind of like a fork in the road, like I can either stay on this course. You know, I have the connection, I have all the possibilities to grow my channel, get tons of subs, make a lot of money, or I could, you know, be happy with myself and my life. Yeah, exactly, and I signing a, you know, deal with the devil, in a sense, exactly that option to and so I I you know, hit up my connect and I...

...was like I can't they this, you know, like this is not going to work for me. You know, I like my heart was just in a different place and so, yeah, I don't think that's ever going to have to get wouldn't enjoy it, but it's cool. It was real. It was good to code through that experience. Yeah, because what actually happened after that was then I was like, I want to be more involved with what I actually I'm passionate about in this hobby, which is the TCG. You know, I'd been involved with it even up until that point. I wanted to invest more my time and my content to that and that's when, you know, we start working on the stream and actually casting matches and all that and and that's when I did my three part series. You know, I spend so much time on that series and it was like one of my least viewed things, but it meet and ment the most to me because I had been trying to make that serious for so long and it has helped so many people and like, long term, it's getting tons of us now because, you know, long term people know it's ever going to content of pleasure exactly. But you know, it was like I'm happier knowing that I'm helping more people do something versus, you know, opening one hundred packs and gaining a lot for myself, I guess does. That makes sense. So that's yeah, and and what's cool about that too, is like that's literally why pokemon reached out to me was because of my player base content. So it's like I would probably wouldn't even be a partners or, you know, sure on their list. Hope, m sure, exactly, if I didn't end up going toward, you know, the path I chose, and that's that's really is gross like as a content creator. Yeah, you know, you're not going to do everything perfect, you're going to have some bumps along the way, but you're going to find what you truly enjoy doing and I think that's it's all I can really ask for, I guess is is there a perfect statement to kind of end the cast? I mean, I don't think it is beautiful. That is beautiful. So yeah, I we were going to talk a little chilling rain. I think we'll have to save it for later because it was just a you know, thank you for for sharing tonight. This was really great. Great to have you on the cast. Really appreciate, you know, the time that you have devoted to to us, you know, here at tag team, and then also to the Pokemon card community at large. Is really fantastic having on. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. I love talks like this. So anytime I'm I'm down. Okay, okay, well, we you know. I'll I really yeah, yeah, I just talked to my people. Yeah, and my people and your people and yeah, that's that's how it works, right. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So, not that you need any you know, plugging, but please, you know, while we're here, if you've never heard a frost of Cariboo, what should they know about how to find more about you? Youtube is my main channel, just for us to Cariboo. On instagram it's frosted pokey boo, so a little bit different. And then my wde is actually my competitive pokemon channel. It's IT'S WAPP down entertainment, I don't know, whape down, like the rang guru move. You know I'm talking about? Yeah, rang card. Yeah. So that is my like competitive channel. We have a couple matches up on there now, but that is where I will really be delving into doing more competitive style contents, like a whole different thing, separated from my channel, but on my channel we do pack openings. I do live streams, playing with viewers and stuff as well. And Yeah, it's pretty chill awesome. That's great. Thank you again so much. Thank you, Daw being here. I you know, I gotta say is went better than I thought. Then I was thought thinking coming in. Happen? You know what, I can...

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