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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 15 · 10 months ago

3-15. The Gamer Zone

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are here and ready to review what's been a successful week for JW! Come get some insight into the Team Challenge events and how you can be successful in any format.

Yo, what is up everybody welcome backto tag team, the POKMON trading card games for me or podcasting duo. My nameis Raley Holbert Joinet, as always by my good good friend, JW Cree Wall, JWhows it going today it's going pretty well Riley. How areyou doing tonight? I am Tuane. Well, I'm coming hot off a a really long napthat I did not intend to take, but nower feelimg fresh were feel ingrested.We're feeling like we're not going to be able to sleep tonight and we're hereyeah, I'm with you man, I, whenever I take a nap, it's always like way too long, and then I just can't goto sleep. I've been struggling recently with sleeping. I don't know what it'swhat', I tin, struggin R asleeping for a while, I think, is something to dowith just like being home and like not geving all day or something I don'tknow. My kind of thoughts are like racing nowat night, and I can't like I'm always thinking about. Like I don't know,video or I'm thinking about my coting stuff or I'm just like thinking aboutthings to do. Like I just I maybe it's just that I'm excited to like do thingsbecause wake up, I'm feeling like this creative energy that I haven't felt ina long time, so I'v just been over the last like couple weeks, just reallyhaving a hard time getting to sleep because I'm like Oh, I could tanke herwith this. And what about this idea? And what about this and trying this andall this stuff yeah I mean I feel yeah. I guess it's like a good thing to beexcited about like what you're going to do the next day, but I don't know I guess so angry it's like.Even if I get a good night's sleep, I get really angry when I don't fallasleep, but I want to you know sure, rsustrating sure and lately my customer at work has had a habit ofscheduling, seven eight meetings because they work on the east coasttime. So they don't really think about it.They'll schedule like an AA meeting for themselves and like all right, like you,come N, I'm like I can't really say. No so right so that's been a a thing. Have you evertried like Melitona, to get Tho Slave? No, I haven't tried it yet, but I'mdefinitely thinking about it. Yeah. It definitely works. You have to take itlike. I don't think it puts hes like cosyright away, like some people say kind of like have to let it simmer fora little, but it su did work for me so actually ran out and I keepforgetting to buy it. When I go back to this store. Well, you can, you can buy me. One too,for Christmas sounds good, sounds good, so jv we're coming really hot off a bigDuvsky for you here. I believe banked Ubski tonight tell us about it. Oh Hey! You know whatI am the Gamer champion. I played in the team challenge that washeld by Paul's Gamer zone and when I saw it on the list of available stores,I was like Yep. That is the one that I have to win so I signed up for it turns out it was. Itwas really kind of Nice actually, because you know I'm getting into thisnew program right this coding stuff, and so I'm thinking that January Elevenh onlike for the next three months, is going to be absolutely crushing interms of my free time, and so, if I was going to do this team challenge, I kindof wanted to make sure that I could fit. You know as many of them in before youknow that January elevenh deadline, and so this was a store that had scheduledtheir first one. You know today and then they had scheduled like their nexttwo in December and then their fourth one in early January. So I was likeokay great, so if I don't make it here, then you know I'm still signed up forthis store and we're going to complete them you now, hopefully I can get a winover the next three tournaments and anyway, we untered played four rounds of Swiss, played atop cut and we took it down. Acyah man, heck yeah, the super cool you're, theGamer champion. Not many people can say that they are the Gamer champion. Imean I'm representing the Gamer Zone so, and I was the first champion so I willtake you know you can affirm meal as Lord of the champion Gamer Champion, OGamer Lord Champion of Gamers I'll. Take any of those titles yeah, so I'lldefinitely have to make sure that that that gets referred to actually seems arproblematic. If peoplearen't Goling to call you about your full title, that's true, that's Efli,stady, righteous champion of Gamers sqire, so walk is through. I guess. First,let's give a little background again in case anyone isn't aware what the whatthe store team challenge is and then...

...let's talk about what your specificexperience is, like sure sure, so the idea behind the team challenge it's atournament series that is hosted by Pokemon Company. So it's not you knowprivately or it's not. You know it's from the company, so it's not anoutside organizationit's, not a third party right tournament and so storesthe local stores, to kind of encourage them to continue to be in players livesand to connutyt continue to be on players. Minds are incentiveezes tohold these tournaments through discord and the winners of each of thesetournaments. I would say comparable to like a League challenge, a LEA Cup and a league challenge, maybea mix of the two somewhere in between there and you know, they're incentivized, andthen the winner of these tournaments will represent the store and a fourperson kind of bigger tournament. F as it were, I don't quite know how to saythe words for it, but th the represent. So I, along with three other peoplethat are yet to be named at these three other tournaments, for this specificstore will represent this store at a larger tournament, and so I was thefirst champion of the initial qualifier, which is pretty cool. That is supercool, so standard events, obviously winds up pretty well with what pokmonwould expect and do so, what deck did you take and what did you end up takingdown on the way to becoming the Gamer champion? Yes, I took Mike FuchetsPegarom list just card for card, just ripped it I was like you know what Ihaven't. I haven't played a lot of Pekaram in this format. I played it alittle bit last forman, but I haven't really played a lot of it in thisformat with vivid voltage, and so I was thinking okay, it be good to get myfeet wet with this deck that has seemingly fifty fifty or bettermatchups like pretty much across the board, and I wasn't thinking at the time thatthere were going to be a ton of people. So I was thinking okay. I just wantsomething that works. You know like ninety five percent of the time right.I don't want to have to guess as to whether or not my deck isgoing to perform in any given round, and so I was you know when I firstsigned up. It was like me and this other guy. I was like okay great, so Iprobably only had to bet like the locals. You know so I think that alsolike kind of favors, a deck like pikarum right, where I'm notnecessarily trying to metagame against anyone, but I'm just trying to playsomething. That is consistent. That gives me some outs against what myopponents might be playing and I ended up facing in round one and a turnimis.That was a really tight game. So basically what happened was they got upfive prizes, and so it was six to one. At that pointI had not knocked out anything. I H'd done a hundred fifty damage to anaternitis with the folblits, but they immediately knocked own, my Pekram, soit comes down to the one turn and as most of these games do come down tothat one. Like pivotal turn, I was able to use a lightning ride and knock outthat not got that active atterniis that hadtwo energy on it and then I also was able to hit one crushing hammer toknock off the only energy on their bench. Toturnitis reset stamp themresaid stamp them, and you know that was pretty much it. I was able to gustup the bench teternitis and whin via two knockouts of two of the vmaxes andthen in the next round. I played against Jesse Parker, who was playing ajust, consistent Pika. I think is kind of what it's called the kind of touredPeka list with for BOT o time no hammers, and I also got a little luckywell, I don't know that I necessarily got a little lucky like I would saythat I ran under well, I just if you like my hammer. Flips were not there,but I ended up pulling it out. In the end, he had to use a lot of switches,so what I was able to do was really effectively use the riht to riht, youyep, and he just didn't, have any switches left, and I think I went second in that matchup,so that was also pretty favored there, as well being able to get the Bulltongoing on the first term and then in the next round I play, or maybe maybe Jessyoe Kno Jesse wasaround three okay and then in round to I play a sent to scorce player. Yes,okay, ot coming back to me and he just he deaddrew. So I think that's why I'mkind of forgetting about it, but he just you know he had a Vocanyon twovolcanons, a bench sent to scorch and he just didn't really ejou like one ortwo welder. I I don't really remember, but it wasn't that impactful I was ableto really paralyze ratce ridtchew and you know, do enough damage and aBullton was doing three hundred at the end of the game, no pretty much overit.So then I play Jessein round three and that was that tight game and then inround four. So I'm three in o there's ten people in the tournament and maybenine by this point I think one person...

...had dropped, but I play against this Galarian Stun Fisk Deck Oh wow- and Iwas thinking about maybe just like scooping it to them, because there wassome math where, like okay, if two other tables both play it out, then youknow she can theoretically get in, but we ended up just playing it out becauseI was like you know: Let's, let's just have some fun and you know she was kindof going into it like. Oh I'm not going to win. You know my neck's, not thatgood and I'm like you never know. You know you play your hardest. Try Yourbest, and you know you never know, and so anyway, we got to a point where,like I had to make a tag bolt play, but that left my peakrom really act likereally exposed. Of course, like all my energy is on the speak around and Ihave to make this play and she draws into the thing that she needed to kindof counter that and like she knocks out my peekerom and I'm like okay, well, onow, that's pretty much it because Ihave no more energy left to one shot. These stun fists and they're just goingto keep doing you know a hundred damage, because at that point she had twogalarian per sorkers out doing the booster damage s, it was cool. It wascool. I'd been messing around with the deck like that. You know just in my own private testing,but it was kind of fun to see it. An action and yeah got the win like youknow nothing. I you KN W. I don't necessarily think I misplayed, but it was. It was Faren Square s very wellplayed, and then we ended up playing a top cut. Now, I'm not sure if all ofthe team challenges are supposed to be exactly the same ame and I believe it'sup to the discretion of each individual tio. However, I'm not sure you know-and I hesitate to you know, speak one way or the other, like I'm going to saymy experience, but I'm hesitate hesitant to bring it out to light justbecause I'm I don't want to get this place in trouble for maybe not runningthe tournament, the way what they were supposed to, but we ended up justplaying a top four and playing a best of one. So I'm not sure if it wassupposed to be best of three best of one. We ended up just playing best ofone which I'm fine with with the tournament like this, like there's, notreally any prizes on the line. I suppose the winner would get a playmator something, but the stakes are very very low and youknow people are just having fun on a weekday right, so they're not trying tobe there super late. So I get it so we play the first round and I'm upagainst Owen Robinson. So it was like e. The bigger players there, Owen,Robinson and Rob Stevens of the heat factory podcast were both at this storeand then Jesse Parker, of course, like I mentioned, was at the store, so it'askind of us, for we were kind of in that contention. Therefor the the win, and so I play against oenhe's playing ATP comes down to a crucial turn where he isn't able tofind the boss. I have to Reset Stam Pie to three and he doesn't find boss and Iwin, and that was just really a sigh of relief, because I had missed a couplehammer flips and you know it just. I was on the backfootpretty much the whole game, but I was able to clutch it out in the end, sothat felt really good and I gointo final ime against Jesse again. This isanother game that I have rough flips on the hammers and kind of just generallyrough draws, but I end up making making it out alive and and Wen in the tournament. So it was alot of fun. That's awesome! That's awesome, yeah! So generally positiveexperience, even outside o the win. Would you do something like this again?If you yeah IATO Yati mean you never have to, but Ithink I would it was. It was pretty fun. I like the ilike competing for something more thanlike packs. I guess because there is like this secondary element to thiswhole team challenge. Where there's bigger prizes on the line I mean yeah,you know and there's some kind of clout on the line, at least from like acompany level and so yeah. It was pretty cool to be able to play and beable to win, and I had a really good time. I would caution, people to youknow just think hard about which store they choose, because I could see itbeing very tough during you know if somebody is a tio at a store andthey're like. Oh, yes, I want to run this challenge, but they don'tnecessarily know how to run a tournament, because we kind of had thatit was just maybe a little more inexperience judge. I think they didfine overall, like particularly, I think this was like one of their firsttournaments, certainly one of their first online tournaments yeah, and thatinterface is a little bit funky on arcanine lamps, but they did a reallynice job. Generally speaking, we were, I would say about thirty minutes late,which would be my only gripe, and I could see you know someone that hasmaybe even less experience. You know that could the round timers in betweenit could just take a long time so just be mindful of which story you'rechoosing and like. If you know your locals, you know your local storeownersand your local, tios and stuff.

You know maybe just do that researchand think twice about where you're going to join, if you don't want to spend all day doing one of these tournaments for surefor sure so generally positive experience that the the game or SointhaTi you emerging the champion with Pekarom. Obviously, we've been hypingup Pekeron a little bit for the last week or so here nice to see that you'vejoined the team, JW Well I'll hail the Gamer King I'll hail the Gamer King. Sois there anything that you would change about your list going forward? Themicashelis that you used, it was pretty cool. I might look to maybe includelike another try to include up to forBoltond I found Bolton was like super good, like the entirety of the day andjust being able to start it. So maybe I would take out you know the team yell grunt, maybe andlike try to add in a third bolth hon and then try to find space for. Fourth,I don't know it just it's so important to get that first, one down and it feltlike every game that I started boltond. I was in the drivers, seat and everygame that I didn't start Bollton. I was kind of wasting a lot of resourcestrying to get it out, and sometimes it just didn't work, so I feel likeincreasing the chances of starting it. You was just going to help you in thelong run with that deck yeah. Absolutely so, and I kind of agree Imean we saw those first peaker on lists back in the last format, where thefirst iterations of thos started with one bolthend yeah, and then twobolthten became really the standard pretty quickly after that, but still, I think h. The evolution aroundboltuned in particular has been really interesting. I'm where does it fit intothe deck? How many should you play- and I agree with you- It fits in a prettymuch every stage of the game. You know you obviously want an early game buthaving the threat of it throughout the game. I think, is really important.Some matchups as well I'm yeah yealso. There are just time there are timeswith the bulltin where it's like. It really doesn't make sense to play itdown. On your field early because you're using those bench spots, for you,know your corbatior Dodenne, but you do want to make sure you have one for thelay game and there are just those times where it gets kind of awkward where youknow you're down to manage your bench and you only have the two Bolltton. Somaybe you start the first bull Tine and then you're. You know deciding whetheror not to discard the second one- and you know those are those are tophdecisions, sometimes for sure for sure. So, I'd also like to get some thoughtsand now obviously this can be more of a discussion. How would you typically prepare for atournament like this? You know, I think, a lot of these. These team challengesare likely going to V, somewhat small, with probably a mixture of like knownand unknown factors in terms of players in the in the intention for eachindividual store. What is your approach when going intoevents like this? Do you prefer to generally play just a consistent deck?Would you have played maybe a more risky choice if you had a better senseof the players that would be going into this and their preferences? You know what what kind of thoughts doyou have when you pret for an event like this yeah? It's so small that Ijust feel like for me. I just generally want to have achance against anything, but I think for an event, this small, I don't thinkit's necessarily a bad idea to try to like Meta game, to a point that it'sthat you're going to take all these auto wins if the format shifts acertain way so like for this format, I think if I had brought something likeDecidui, I pretty much think that I would have swept like easily. I guessmaybe you know there was the ATP that played a anage Lah, but you know thereare a lot of peekaram decks. Atturnathis was big, you know they.Just probably I would have had an auto win against. You know seven out of thenine other players you know, so I didn't have much of an idea of whatthe format was going to be like when I signed up. There were, like, I said,only two people me and one other person. So at that point you know you just kindof have to be ready for anything, but I did like playing the Pekerom listthat was kind of a little more run hot I was between I wanted. I knew I wantedto play a lightning based deck, and so I was kind of between the mutub list oflightning and Pekaram, and I kind of felt, like you know, hey my kind of hard metagamecall would just be how much I could flip heads on crushing hammer and thatwould kind of be the determining fact. Yeah ITD ended up actually not beingthe determining factor in the end, like I actually overcame. I think I hit onthe day something like for out of you know fifteen crushingHammer, so I was like well below kind of the average that you would expect,so it didn't end up mattering. All that much, but I was kind of thinking, okay.Well, if I can go positive on my crushing hammers and still play thisconsistent deck, then I probably have a...

...pretty good shot at taking thetournament down. So I don't know, I don't know that that necessarilyanswers the question. I think there are a lot of different theories of how youcould approach kind of a blind metagame in a very compact way. I generally liketo go for that. You know consistent, give me a chancein every single matchup, but I coul certainly like see people just taking ataking a deck like colossal right. That has you know a lot of these auto win.Matchups are close to auto win matchups, but struggling against a lot of otherscould certainly see something like that happening yeah. I almost want to air onthe side of being relatively safe at these very small events, because youknow you're more likely to hit the random person. You know, even if youget every person, but one right, you're more likely to hit that one person yeahit I well. That's that's Super Fair. I don't know it's kind of weird right,because you have four chances. Theoretically, if you're able to you make it right or if you're able tomake every tournament, you have four chances and then presumably the thepool gets a little bit smaller each time right because one person wins andthen that's one person less in that in that group right. So you know, there's thought you know, maybe thatyou could start to learn yeah start to learn asyou're playing, so maybe that's far to start yea and then harder counter atthe end yeah. I think that I think that's ultimately what I would leantowards ecause. You need to get a sense of what what the player base is lookingat like and then of course like if you're met agames just full of I don' n, like flexible players who just play a lot ofdifferent stuff. That's lat, hight tere in the Meta can also be difficult, but I guess in that case the met. Achoice based in the player pool is to play another like flexible deck. Thatcan respond to changes quickly, yeah. So I think of overallin agreeing with you-and I think that applies generally to like local tournaments- is play safe,get your feet wet at first and then, as you start to get a better sense, youcan have a better idea of what you need to bring like if your locals always hasthe one guy who succeeds really well with one particular archetype. You know,maybe you Briag the Tech Card for the day. I mean that's, that's prettycommon. You know, you see people do it kind of stuff all the time you know acertain verse of Wak in the room and people plut out their deckbox oftechcars and put the one in their deck. I certainly had that happen before yeahabsolutely. Well. That's super cool man. I'm gladthat you found success, I'm glad that you're the champ and I'm glad it was apegerom. That's right! That's right! Now! Younext Riley, you never sure for sure. So next up, I want to talk really quicklythrough our cart of the day before we talk about some other upcomingopportunities, tofflex your pokem on skills and what we might consider forthose and so the cart of the day. This week I was talking to my friend recently andone of the parts I really don't like that winter is how jarkit gets soquickly. It's not as bad. I don't think in likea work from homelandscape, but it was always really depressing driving homefrom work at like four or five and it's completely pitch black outside. So, in keeping with that theme, Iwanted to focus in on a dark, pook Mon and another thing that I was thinkingabout recently was I love Pokemon cars that tell us story and I've. I broughtthis up a fair amount of times. I think bease. I love when cars like havesomething going on with them over time, and so the Cardi chose to representboth of these facets is the umbryon from Aquopolis, so for the unfamiliarthe embryon from Aquapalis is sitting on. Like A. I don't know if it's like achurch or some other like series of like Reco Roman kind of buildings, but it's in this like city, scape andsitning on a rooftop and there's also an ev that has like a similar local in the background and what's cool isthis? Umbryon is actually reference very recently in another card you maybe familiar with, so the unroud from Acuaphylis is actually the same umbryonthat is in, and this is like confirme by the artist the same. I'm Brion andImbron and Dark Ri Tag Tamgx and then, if you pay attention, you can actuallysee like the rooftop. Is there and t s and actually all of the different likealternate arts, Prom, Bron and dark ri like show that rooftop in differentangles? So I love that I love that kind ofstuff. I love when cards have like a theme that carries on with them likeanother good example of that is like the Abra and the Lahm Yep being on thesame like spirer. So I just think that's super cool. Theupbron itself is also just like a...

...really cool car. It's really pretty. I mean when I think of like those earlydark pokamon cards. I think of the Sneez en I think of the Ambryon sureare like the two standouts on my mind, so sure love this card, I'm reaon.Obviously like a fan favorite, you know everyone pois, the shiny embryon islike their favorite. Shing Whach, I think, is a little sereotypical, but I mean it does look Super Bo reatr. Itdoes look Super Cool, the evylutions rock and again I just I just love whencards story. Ovr Time you know, even if it's not like a real indepth story likehaving that consistent, dhematic element that carries on through theyears is always super fun to me. Yeah, THAT'S AMAZING! I actually had noidea about that. Yeah, it's really good yeah. I think the coolest part to meisn't just that. The first umbryad and Darker e reference is that car event sodoes the other art or the uround Antec Yeah Yeah. So it was a clearly like avery intentional thing that they wanted to do with the with this card. Sure Tru,Oh and now I see it. I'm looking at the QUAPALUS EV and it looks like ther'skind of a city scape in the background. Yeah, that's really cool thits. This one, Ebthit's been with us for so many years, yeah very cool, so Shatt o I'm roun from caplis anshoutot to the. I should have looked at the name of the artist for for the setsof cards. Who did such a good job like carryingon that that theme yeah. Let me let me find let me find it. I was just on. Oh, Iwent too far. I could probably find it. I think Ihave a Cardo Fan Jeez. Maybe I don't here: go you go mitta hero Arita, who I thinkhis actually done quite a bit of art for the feoon trading, cart, game. Yeah!That's yeah! That's! Definitely something thatyou see a lot of these artists come back and it's been fun through thesecard of the days to kind of explore and look at the art in a new way as what itis art I mean all these pieces are just that, like people put a lot oftime and thought into the Ar work behind these cards, and it's reallycool to explore that every week yeah just looking at the his reretirements hero has anincredible amount of cards under his belt. He was at Dallas regionals, Ibelieve signing cards. Oh, isn't he the one who signed Auto Scharzard yeah, I believe so yeah he's based thatCharsard Guy Yeah Yeah, he's very, I guess, probably ts guys SA icon yeah. As a king, I thought he signed adifferent CHARZART for Oto. Perhaps perhaps it' still super cool, yeah bace it for also made charns hard, inbraction, very cool, which makes sense, because Iguess the Charsart ind that car actually has like the Tayset chars Arposeit's yeah. It's kind of there there's another one of those things fan.I think this guy likes the same thing. I do it like carrying on the theemesthrough the years it's kind of like little Easter eggs. Yeah, I mean he'sbeen doing this for so long right. So this is that's probably like his waylike leaving a little stamp of his work on the on the game. Sure we coulprobably go on forever about me to hero and is awesome cards, so twe'll move on then to our Ur nexttopic today, which is going to be some other upcoming opportunities to to flexyour skills in the pokmon trading card, game yeah. So the first. The firstthing coming up here, of course, is the the next full grip online seriestournament number seven, and that will be in the expanded format, yeah expaned format getting unleashedafter a new wave of bands. We talked about the bands already and how really it was longtime coming for shame,and I think that was really something we ad point to for a while now, but super cool to see it actuallyexecuted on Diu Ibu. You have any preliminary thoughts on the expernendformat. I know Ho said you haven't had too much time to test it. Do you haveany like gut feels for things. HEU might consider, I feel like pekramwould be a great call in the expanded form. eneme an you just get back. Youget back a lot of the tools that you lost: Ower, yeah, the power exactlygrows for sure, yeah, something like that. You know wewere talking a little bit about lost March, maybe I think Ratheran aloneexecutor, stills, probably even better. Now with the bank, we talk about madparty dont think we're talking about lost March. Oh sorry, I'm a bad partyI'm in but im down to talk abou last par IGES, Potato Putato, but those ere. Those would be some ofthe things I could also see. Maybe like a stall Bas teck, you know, I meanthere's just always going to be Sombe,...

...some kind of stall archetype. So if youreally put a lot of time into the expanded format, then you know you canfind reasonable stall deck that you could play so yeah. I mean, if youthink about it, the like the doll stall, deck really didn'tlose a lot. You obviously lost the Aran Gre whichwhich hurts, but you still have access to Buntelb and the the bunk. Still agood cart like it gives you a MIL option as well. Yeah the the bottlebeis like pretty pretty close to being just as good, and then you I mean youcould also play excadrill to right, yeah and that gets back one more card at theprice of evole at the price of volving. So yeah, I'm with you. I think I thinkPKROM is definitely a a trid into archetype and it got some pretty keytools recently and the fact that it has vecable fenow to be able to free upsome turns. I think you know getting in one or two free turns with vehicle.It's really cool and then the the epower on t e top of that allowingvehiccle to start to Cao smaller attackers, pick off basics, wil. Also,item locking, really really good yeah. You can't youcan't deny that I mean SIZMENTA has been an expanded staple for years andit's been using hypnotoxic laser to boost the damage. Output. vehihiclealready is basically assizementtod with the laser, and then you get theadditional, like electri powers stack on top of that right. Right, super cool,obviously, but then of course getting the electro powerback is huge. I meanthink about how ridiculous peak around would be if it had access to extrapower right now, it'd be yeah, be insane so obviously getting electro powerback ishuge, thunder mountain as well, probably not as big of a deal as someof these other cards, but I'm really nice to have access to, and I think oneof the things that Peoam gets for it right now is you can build a deck andaway to deal with most anything, so another Mi large archetype is going to be that alowne executor, vile flume kind ofdeck, and you know decidioite Irt sorrk the peperomdectking pretty easily liketech, amage jalty on or something it's alltmgx. If it really is worried aboutlike basin electrocs yeah o an Electros, there's plenty of options available toyou thoug I mean I yes try and to Arcetype in both formas for sure yea,some other decks that I was considering. I think really that control archetypesticks out to me. I think control really didn't sufferthat much from the band list, maybe as much as pokmon intended to sure banloby is a great option andhonestly, I feel like people, don't ever respect the mill part of Buntalbewhen they play against the control deck. I feel like every all the time peopleget hit by that mill to, at the end of the game, whenthey're like mapping up their root to win yeah yeah for sure so and of course,we've talked so many times about having eight dolls just seems absurd and theystill do so Louri be unto the dolls you know, and it all feels tevention. I think theonly real inhibitory factor for control is just that. The trapical beach is sodifficult to get a hold of well yeah I mean, and you maybearguably don't even need it right. You could. You could play with sorlax. Ofcourse, thereve been some tex recently that iave been playing. You know somestall decks that are playing storlack, so yeah, you know you maybe don't evenneed e the beach you maybe don't even necessarily need the dolls. You knowthere are just so many more kind of disruption, options in the expandedformat, so yeah yeah. We like these kind of stall mill, archetypes and youknow Pekaram, obviously is going to be a good choice. And then you look atsomething like Rollin, Alaw, executir near and dear to my heart and thenmaybe even something like you know, the the Gartam Guiritina gx as beingsomething that people had played to pretty good success recently at t omp.Obviously you know it continued contender. It doesn't like one of thesesex that really doesn't lose anything. I mean it lost Shamean, of course, justlike every other decdid, but Ay soid every other day, RMPIT IDN, Pan Lian. Ididn't spam Shamin right. So like it can use Crovad to a similar effect andI think most decks will kind of fall into that bucket. It's just is reallyabsurd, like draour whole dectorn one and do something insane like thetrevinent and dusnoradect that really suffer from losing namen sure sure,well, good, so yeah we have that tournament coming up that is on Tuesdaythis upcoming week and so starting at seven o'clock. You know make sure toget your deck listin. You know well before that sign up on the full gripgames website and we can't wait to see you there. I know Andrew is planning onplaying. He has been really excited...

...about the expanded format and I'm goingto be excited to be back in the booths. Casting Eck yeah, one other fun event.We've participated in recently is the the table Mon Challenge, the SortanShield on formattw. You ended up taking the DUV, didn't she at that event? No,I ers top topy shop, Ait. Okay, sorry, I would starto Rui. I was very close.Yeah get path, one ant to turn to to stick, and I think Iwould have want to turn a se anyyeah on the tournament yeah, but so talk usthrough how that went. I mean I don't. I don't want to focus so much on likethe post rotation element of it. But more SI like you know what kind ofarchetypes for your succeeding. What deck did you play and how to go sure?So I had a video on Youtube. If you want a little bit more indepthexplanation of kind of my matchups and if you want to see the matchups, Iwould I would kind of point you over to the Youtube Channel. I played dragopultand surprisingly, I kind of actually thought that dragon polt would be likeone of the major archetypes. You know one of the top five play most played. Iwas the only dragonpole player in the entire tournament, which I thought wasabsurd because I was thinking going in. I was like okay. Obviously, Zahan isgoing to be big right. That's just pretty much an established archetypeand doesn't really need anything, and I think a lot of players will just kindof default to it for safety. You know we lose a lot of draw in the postrotation format, so being able to play forashion in your deck just seems likeyou're going to take a free dub. You know every three or four rounds right,because your oponentis not going to set younasauhion, and then you can justswing to thirty from then Aon, so that was the most played deck. Andthen I was thinking okay, you know Aturnius another deck, that you canpretty much port right over from this current formatto. You know postrotation, format, of course, sord and shield on. There are only four sets,but you know you just literally just rip a list and for the most part youcan play exactly what the Attornais Steck I was like. Okay, those two seemlike the big two and then whatse number three and I was I was honestly thinkinglike okay dragopall. It seems like that kind of third in the trio right,because if you, if you play Dragon Polt, you generally have a pretty decentmatchup against sashian BAS dex, I wouldn't say it's like overwhelminglyfavorable, but you know you can navigate that matchup and then againsta turnadis. You know if you can flip on the right side of variance like you cancrushing hammer your way to a win there as well. You know or clarable your wayto a win there as well. So I was thinking okay, that that seems like thetriad with you know, saushion being the most played attornitis being you know,second, which it was that was the order of most played decks, and then I wasthinking okay, dragon polls going to be third, but I'm gonna, I guess with theDragon O tellers- and I don't know if th t that's correct, Oh really, yeah! Idon't believe that intalion was that well represent. I actually think therewere more frostmot Tex than intalian. Well, yeah fross hot I no foraure likeFrosmoe, I think frost mot would be like the third day is over avact collwould be like my initial take yeah. No, it wasn't that way. It wasn't that way.I'm I'm going to pull up the stats here. Obviously you guys can follow a long onthe limitless site, but it was yeah. It was really interesting to see kind ofthat there were no other dragonpot. When I thought it was going to be a bigdeal, so I ended up playing. I think the number three most playdeck I'll goahead and check it in a second, but I think the number three most play deckwas colossal. Actually there you go, Iguess the count of these ernist. So let's take a look here at the Metagame. So Oh, Oh yeah, no you're, totally right,dude ntellyo on Watis number three O was category. Let's go ather category that I was thinking isnumber three, but it's comprised of you know all the all the weird things soyeah is acton. Thirty percent it turnd. It is about twenty percent and thennumber three most play deck was UN tellion with about seven percent, thenwe have decidi colossal, you know and then it starts to get a little funky but yeah so heading intothe tournament. I was feiong fairly, confident against ash and I was likeokay, I canot play the other Dragopol players and then I'm going Na. Just Idon't know I'l figure it out. You Know Gran Cotis. Definitely one of thosekind of like you. Just you just run out ton and figure it out yeah. So I ended up playing a lot of Zashian. Ithink I played three over the course of the day. Three or four can't remember.I played two ofthe colossal decks, one in top eightand and no maybe I played three of the classal decks. So I play one in top ofeight one, the same one during Swiss and then I played another one deringSpwiss, and then I played a decision ID deck to Decido Idex, which I was like.Oh Man, I'm going to have a really bad matchup, but then then I remembered andchat reminded me that I have shred...

...the Dragon Bol B. Acxan. Do you justreally eat those decision izes up and they can et theanery attack you onthe board yeah overall, a pretty easy day. I actually missed my round. Onepairing, so I took am loss on the first round. Buti wont out from there untilwe got to top eight and then I lost to and Atturno display. Oh She, Oh that'sSuper Fun. That's Super Fun! Yeah was pretty fun. So all that said I'd like to take thisepisode and to steal it down to what our recommendation is in bothformats going forward for expanded. It can be a little bit of a softrecommendation, so intstandard for people going into more online events or intoteam challenges. What do you think that the top decks are and then expanded ourtopic, for you would be at the top one deck for you and then for expanded?What would your top choice as a nowbe yeah? I think, for I mean I playedPikerom, but I don't necessarily think that it maybe is the best most wellrounded deck. I think a lot of people will steer away from a deck like a BlusCephalon and maybe just kind of go for these just larger archetypes the tagteams or the VMEX archetypes. So I wouldn't be necessarily that worriedabout a DEK like blasepelon. At least I wasn't in the local Matar game wedidn't have any. So I would if I were to play again if I had another onecoming up I', probably choose a turn: A dus just having having waits to getaround hammers. You know you have that first attack power accelerator tomitigate to some extent the hammer damage that can be done to atternitis.You know you play your switches, so you know, if you can conserve those you canget around rite you and write you. You have your outs to beating pretty mucheverything and you have generally solid matchups against the tag team decks andpretty favorable matchof ex matchups against a lot of the VEMAX Teks as well awesome and then Howe Ahout. Forexpanded for expanded, just haven't put enough time into it,so I don't want to give like a bad recommendation B T I would say, ifyou're Alwuyd, you start testing with al. You start testing with. Let's seethat Wel I mean like ther, the staks are so low for a lot of these onlinetournaments that and if you've never played these kinds of decks before like play, a staldick like play em play amill stall archetype. You know rip one of Sanders creations off a limitlessand just like play that you know, because again the stakes are so low,like it's not like you're trying to go to oregionals and tryig to figure thatout, like you, just get to play in your pjs at home. So you know take something:That's really out of your comfort zone for for the expanded. You know, tournament that you havecoming n. That would be my recommendation whether or not you dothat or not. You know that's up to you, but I think now is a great time toexperiment, because then, if there is ever a time- and therecertainly was in the past- where like stall mill was just like- arguably thebest deck in its respective format, then you'll want to be seasoned withthose, and I think it's now more than ever is like the best time to try tolearn all these more intricate archetipes, because there's not a tonon the line for sure for sure, and you already know for me: It's Pekaron bothtimes baby. Let's go you just you set yourself on for thatone: Oh yeah, let's go but a big butte Bo fire enough.Full blitz is left and right UHHUH. It's so funny, because I was a huge peakaron stand with ha fir cardliterally first came out and then I never played it at all. And now I justa'm all about the wrong. I really loved pikapads that was hiasebot. I just PoRealy, you hated t yeah. I thought it was awful. I had one of my. I had oneof my favorite finals in a League Cup ever with with pikapads against anotherPika pads player. It was, it was Owen Robinson and he like flipped. He had like fourPicapat or pads inhan. What are they or te quarter pats? He had like three orfour order pats and he just needed to hit one to get like the last power orwhatever ane wift itwas like yes. I definitely felt archius on my side that day nice. So let's open it up from there,then to the chat, if you're watching right now and you have any questions-feel free to drop. Those Fenley remind yer if you're listening on apodcastcasting platform on youtube that we do stream. This live every week ontwitch Chot TV munner. So if you're interested N in participating or getting to see what it's like from alive perspective, definitely feel for it happen yeah and I try...

I'm so bad about it, because we'vestarted this second channel for the podcast but yeah. If you also want towatch it on Youtube, we have you know the the chat going and I try to post it.So if you're really interested in that, I'm just doing a bad job, it will be upthis podcast episode well be up tomorrow, I guarantee it there. You Goseel Frul, so there it is yeah the creewall guarantee. I do want to take asecond to say thank you to our listenership. I've been going over theanalytics this week and I try to stay away from it like because I can getreally in my own head about numbers and stuff, but we're up this period. Thirtypercent in terms of listenership and that's really really cool. So thank youguys all for listening. There was also one country that I did not recognize in the listed countries that have at leastone listener, and let's see there here, it is Gernsy. So if you're the one listener from Gernsy. Thank you so much for listening to tagteam. That's awesome! We got a couple questions. God Do youknow where Garanthy is I just now ide? It is not a big Sh! Guy, it is thechannel island in the English canal. See like I generally am a geography guy,but I had no idea that this country existed so shout ut to them. That'sawesome got a couple. Questions in chat here, MAnderson, Sixfie, four, five ask: Do you think TPCI miss an opportunity tomake a plus on my MP Ta Team Gx? For my perspective, absolutely yeah. I lovethose guys, especially Featcu an any suse o get a Peacha on another card. Ithink yeah. Let's take that, I think they did their due diligence tothe baby pokemon when they printed Toka kiss or when they printed Tokape, ClafaNigaly, buff gx it to be fair. Those guys did have thatawesome animation that they released, which is super funny. I don't know ifyou saw that the one with Salmans and the Jago fult- Oh, maybe I didn't oh yeah, it's like tthey tweetered t out at some point. It was like this. A Salemans, a Dragonpoland a haxerist are like running in fear from these gigantic fairy baby pokoma that'. So epic very funny got another question and chat here fromPD zero. Four oned two, you think clossol vmax with Ronin funs Ha Topp toyour dest and having a lot of success with theire recently and Ora Scolossacoming off a win here at that hundred ninety percent chltcg event so should V, I think you ha e mighthave a little more direct experience with that deck than me. What what areyour thoughts on that? Well, I think colossal is really product of goodmetagame, so you're going to you're going to thrive in this metagame. Youweren't thriving necessarily at the beginning of the format of this vividvulture format, because because people were off of fighting week decks inorder to compensate for potential colossal. Now that we're sending themback. You know people are playing the peakroms they're playing and highcounts. The atternit is so like this. If you're ever going to play colossal,it's probably now, you know you're looking aut these top cuts where it'slike three pkrams, you know to Aternitis and like this is it you knowthis is what the deck wants and arguably what the deck needs to succeed,because if you move out, you know to may be more Muttu, basdecs or just anything not fighting week, you'regenerally going to have a harder time, navigating those matships. So I thinksure, right now, colossal is like the ultimate metagame specific deck asopposed to a deck like Pikram, which I think can exist. You know, generallyspeaking, on its own or like a Mutu lightning list like generally speaking,can just exist on its own and do and have some success or an ADP you knowwould be that standard bearer right for just being able to to thrive almost atany point. But yes, now that we see this very, very fighting week, metagame,I think colossal is is a great choice. Yeah and I think clossoll probablystick around- have a little more staying power than average for a littlebit here. I don't see people really shifting too much off a peekeram and eTurnis just because of colossal right. So I think this is a great opportunityto get those games in another question from MM Anderson hereon I more serious now ot is good ex attack for me through to usenexpanded.I don't know if you meant X or gx attack. I think the current pool of s'sattackers has been pretty decently, defined and nailed down. You know wegot obviously main stays like the Despai Ray. We got the in a champ. We got theGRANINJA, obviously a huge contender there. So I would. I would just take a look atsome other recent...

...tops. I think the Elolen Sandslash isprobably the the edition that wasn't covered in maybe some of the Dallas versions of the Mutudeck, because it wasn't out yet so I'll. Maybe look at that, but otherwiseI think the archetype stays are Alltolo the same Riley. What are your thoughts on whatthe newest pokemon trade mark is, so you just get ot with the veunion. What do you think that could be I've? Seen a lot of people get prettyupset about you know. Potentially you know a tagteam, two point, Oh type of deal. What are your thoughts on what the Unioncould possibly mean ar we looking at like fusion cards to me? It feels like it's going to belike a fusion or legend kind of thing. I don't think they should. I don't knowif they want to go right back to tag teams again or maybe it's like vinunskind of act as vs, but then you can like combind them in some way. Like I don't know you like, lay them ontop of each other or like match them together and makes them like greaterwhole, but you could still like play them. That's that's kind of what my thoughtsare is there's some car that'll like combine in some way. I don't thinkit'll be the same as tag team. I don't know I would. I would be hesitant to get to say thatthey just go right back to tag teans, but who knows that mean? Maybe they do? Do you have any thoughts yourselfarjust? I kind of somer things. Yeah! No, I feel like it could be like somekind of legend mechanic legends where something back in tweanty ten in thehard cold, sole silver era where they would have. You know it wouldn't be aplayable pokeamon on its own. But if you had both cards, you could play themtogether. So maybe it's something you know part one and part two. You KnowUnion play them both down to form yeah. You know some kind of Vorv Max Pokmonand I think that really does make a lot of sense in terms of like the size ofthese pokemon like. If you look back at the legends yeah, they were just thatthe legendary pokemon right so they're, like you, know supposed to be kind ofthis larger than life pokemon that comes into play and so VNAX. I thoughtyou know coming into the VMAX setting like that. They were going to do somekind of you know basic Pogama card and maybe have some attachment like a breakor something you know to make the Pokmat card itself, like the art likebigger or something do something like that, and I think the union yeah, if Ihad to guess, if you had you know, if you forced me to guess, probably besomething akin to a legend type piece. So legend mechanic EI think that's aperfect place to to end up for the day here. GW. Thank you, as always for anothergreat episode, and thank you all to are listeners and viewers, Buti foundtwitch and off who continue to suport the podcast. It means so much that weget this great litionrship j already gave some shoutouts so hard fon it toomuch, but you all are what makes the machine keep shugging. So we can'texpress O R appreciation enough. We got some exciting stuff in the pipes forthe next few weeks, so be on. The lookout definitely keep listeningthrough the end of the year. You don't want to miss what we got coming up fory'UALL, but for now we're going to sign off.Thank you US always and we'll catch. You next time face see yo.

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