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Season 3, Episode 3 · 1 year ago

3-3. Get a (Full) Grip

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are fresh off the inaugural Full Grip Online Series and ready to break down the event itself and how the meta for Darkness Ablaze has panned out. Catch the Mad Party, featuring Eternatus and ADP!

What's up, everybody welcome back totag team, the POKMONTRADING Card Games for mere froadcasting duo. My name isRaleyh Hulbert joined, as always by my good friend, Ju cree. Well, Gw hashangen today pretty good Ryley. I had an unintendedday off an unintended day off. What does that constitute? Well, so I havebeen picking up this job here with the sensus bureau, doing some knocking ondoors, going door to door asking for people's information and we get ourassignments like the morning of and the system just went down. So I was likesupposed to work. You know six Oret hours today and I worked no hoursbecause the system broke and so kinda had a little bit of a Free Day. Today,Oh wow, I didn't knotic Te Tins like that. Would just go downoywell it's! Iknow it's a pretty simple system you'd be surprised at how many errors thereare, but there are significant numbers of ears. Awesome, wellanything else, exciting going on. I mean they all O. Iwish I I wish I could say something was more exciting. In my life we had. Wejust had the full grip online series: Innod Yeur old tournament yesterday,which was a blast to be up part of Yeah taithatwas Prettyn. I could really see the geares spinning in your brain, as youtried to get the word an agural out there. Well, they don't you know in my old age.They don't come quite as quickly anymore, an older by the day too Ri. Iknow it, it doesn't stop really rigly. Do they waitack a wils o time enjoyyour time as a twenty four year old, because soon enough you'll be you'll,be as old as me, I've been saying this man I feel like I've, been twenty fourfor too long now it's yeah an atrociously long time to be twenty fouryeah yeah. It's definitely been it's definitly a been rough and I've beenreading too about the election and how?...

If it's, if it's close race, how youknow there might be some like refusal to either give up power or likea refusal by the other party, to like admit defeat and H, that's gotta bescared to man. 'cause like what a perfect cap to twsantan. Twenty is tohave ou presidential election like up an bams yeah, Oh yeah, be sent you knowto to the Judiciary Court or to Congress to you know resolve. I thinkthat would just be nowsayine and yeah just another anotherperfect way to capsulate all that twenty twenty hasbeen. One thing you can't, let me forget to do this is I have to. I haveto get a new driver's licence because you're you're twenty one Javer'slicensex fires when you're twenty five on that day, so Um deks. Well, I will make sure to callyou text. You sat up an email, reminer,yeah that'd be good, okay, good, maybe I'll even make a you to video. So whenyou upload the pot cast for that week, you'll see a a video there. Alreadythat says, Riley makes sure to R rih Sur yeah. I get your driver's license.Renew Yeah I just got to imagine tha BMV is like Super Weird. You know Thave, you never been well just like inthe current contextof. Oh yes, yes, Ihave to make appointments. I I heardthat you have to make appoints well in advance and then it's still slow yeah.You know which I mean it. It would make sense, but just like you know theyhaven't, they still haven't figured out a way to streamline you know, makingmaking reservation. Er People Right, Ono, teserd organization, Number One and inefficiency number oneineficiency, absolutely they top the chars. Every time. Also I gotta say man you're. This isn'treally relevant to Belicitors, but your...

...camera is like a little laggy here. It is looking a little bit laggy. Idon't know what to say yeah I mean I guess I can roll with it, but as longas the UM audio's coming through, I can hear you despoting to nothing. You say so: Tha,clear, Enoughwell, Tart, yoears you're just going to have to deal with Gw andjust lips being a little out of sickshis words yeah. It's just going tobe have to be how it is. I guess anyway, so you mentioned the Foll GRUPP series,and I would like to I'd like to talk about that. Obviously we have things tosave about the Meta. We've already talked a lot about this Maunte and Ithink I think the fourgrip series honestly kind of incaculated, thebetter that we've talked about, so I want to break down instead, some of the aspects of what it was likedid get part of that experience. So you know we'de been talking now for acouple of weeks about you know what it would look like how you invision itcoming forth and honestly for a myperspective as someone whoparticipated and and watched the tournament, I thought it was reallyspectacularly done so talked to me about what goes intothe back end of these things. What was what was your thought process? Whatwere the kind of things that you need to implement or consider ahead of timeto make this so successful yeah? I think with any any tournament series orreally any just events. It's really important to have kind of an ininfrastructure in place, and for us that was having Natali, myself and Andrew All. There kind of athe drop of a had just being able to have those moderation privileges beingable to access any part of the tournament. Should someone need youknow to draw, or should someone need to have a question about decklists orthings like that? I think Um, you know doing it with one person. Iwould have been...

...not impossible, but certainly a strainon our time in our mental energy, and so it was great to have those you knowother people to work with an and I particularly want to shot out Natalie,who m devoted a lot of attention to making sure that things were running smoothly in terms ofregistration in signing up for the event, I kind of did a lot of the frontend things doing like setting up the discord and making sure that that wasvery user friendly in the sense that everyone kind of you know would knowexactly how the tournament was going to run and how the rounds are going toproceed, and you know just kind of getting all the infrastructure in thediscords that people knew. You know where to go when and how to do thethings that they needed to do and then again Natali took care of a lot of thatback and stuff the behind the scenes where it was. You know, peopleregistering and dropping and soting things and getting on to battlfly anddifferent things like that. So Um, absolutely you need a team to do thisand you know going forward. It woulddefinitely be something that that we would look to potentially expand theyou know, moderation team, just to make sure that should any issues arise whichwe really didn't have during the tournaments, but should any issuesarrive that we have the necessary people there to be able to deal with it?Yeah, and I I think that's definitely a an awesome part of it is that it was areal collaborative effort and you could really see that in the an thetournament itself, as it was actively going on, you had navily running therounds. Hea you running the Stream and you'r kind of running the the streamtable and helping that get organized it was. It was super cool. So talk to me more about the streamspecifically, what was it like t, Solo, Casta Tournament? Was it exhaustingeven to have to cast on your own for so long or the things y change? Yeahsolocasting was pretty difficult in the...

...sense that you are trying to juggle not only what's happening withthe game, but also trying to juggle deckless and certain cards and certainattacks, and things like that. You get in a little bit of a rhythm and you getinto a rhythm of the way that you need to speak about certain cards. So if youforget the attack name on one of the cards, you know you, don't you don't gotrying to search for it, although I probably did that a couple of times,but you know you move on in a way that that still gives a listener inunderstanding of what's going on without you sounding, like you, don'tknow what you're talking about. So that's that's a real um! That's a realstruggle as a solar caster, because you're trying to figure out okay,what's everybody playing, especially if you're moving to different games, youknow mid stream driving into different scenarios and then you're trying tokeep. You know just anything that you would during a regular game in play, sojust trying not to forget that the opponent gx attacked or trying toremember that okay, this pokeman has this amount of damage on it, and thatmeans that it has this amount ofhp remaining. Sometimes it gets a littlebit funky when you're casting, particularly with Um discord, becausesome people's streams are a little bit shaky and that's not to say, like wedon't appreciate having you stream, we hundred percent appreciated everyone,that's streamed their games, but that can also be hard because you knowsometimes it gets difficult to make out. You know some of the HPS and some ofthe damage counterplacements but sure yeah, those re. Those are some of thethings that that were difficult. I would absolutely say that casting solowas something that I enjoyed. I mean because it is a lot more free form thancasting with another person. You know you really have te bounce off thatother person if they don't bring the same energy or higher energy than itcan be kind of difficult to cast with someone right, but casting Solu wasgreat. Absolutely would do it again,...

Gol anything that you would changegoing forward. was there lessons that we learned as a result of thistournament that you think you're going to take into the next one lessons learn would be. I think there were a few minor changesthat we could make to the round end and just maybe put those up front so um,you know everyone that was involved wat. The tournament wanted to make sure that the rounds progressedlike almost as quickly as possible, and I think you can really do that in aformat like this. Where you know, 's games can be over relatively quicklythat th compared to you know most any other format, and so you know you wanto just kind of speed things along, and I think there was one round where we, you know maybe maybe started around.You know five or ten minutes early, but you know people thought that they hadmaybe a little bit more time. If around US thirty minutes, you know we were. Wewere kind of saying: Oh okay. Well, if we need those thirty minutes, then allplayers will have them, but we ended up starting around earlybecause everyone had already finished their games and then what that resultedin with somebody you now, unfortunately being tardy to the next round, and sothat would be something that we might say up front either that we will justadhere to this kind of thirty minuteb segment style, which is fine. You knowwe'll still probably get the tournament done. You know in that three hourwindow, but yeah. You know just making sure that whatever that decision is onround start, then we make it up front and we let everybody know that you knowhey we're going to run it this way. Sure so is there anything that you thought wasparticularly successful, flipping from the kind o, the reverse of lessonslearned and things that you could grow from as there something that you justreally enjoyed or really proud of. As a result of this event. Well, I think itwas great. I mean it's just another Um,...

...it's another online tournament seriesthat a lot of people were excited for. I think the positivity that we've seen in the discord amongst players wasgreat you're. Seeing a lot of you know, newer players or maybe players thathaven't really participated at a regional or even local level that are,you, know, feel comfortable in the setting in the community that you know,Andrew and and Natalie, and you and me have all kind of created and and allthe other full GRP. You know affiliated team members have created an and theyfelt very comfortable kind of coming out to this event, and knowing that youknow, okay, yeah they're not going Ta, look to maybe win, but they also knowthat by participating in this that they're not going to have a negativeexperience with any other member of the community, and so that was realpositive that I saw just throughout everything. People were very respectfulbefore the tournament you know getting into the tournament. If they hadquestions it was never Um. No one was ever really harsh with anyof the admens and then during the tournament. No one really you knowrules sharkd or or cheated in any way. So we were very um, not surprisedbecause again he, the community that has been kind of created around fullgrip is, is a very welcoming one. I would say, but it's just we're very thankful that nothing did happen. Yeah Yeah, the POKOF, my communityalways likes the town itself. As being you know, a welcoming, inclusive one-and I think you know compared to man, gaming communities- that's true, Um. Ido think the the circle that we formed around TACG team and tricky gym andFlex Daddy as a whole is is really one that I'm proud of and happy to be apart of. So that's awesome. I'm glad that you feel the same way yeah.Definitely it was a great well run tournament. I think one of thepositives to the series is that yeah we do just really want to it here andrespect people's time that they've...

...devoted to this, and so that that kind of is the guidingPrincipale, at least for these early ones. I've just kind of keeping it asthis. This challenge SK Tournament, where we'regoing to be over in three hours, and you know that going in and you don'thave to worry about you know some male function happening, keeping you therelate in the day or H. Anything like that. We're just going to be prompt ontime smooth and you know, get you in and out and play some competitivepogman for you know very reasonable, an and strong prizes, yeah, obsolutely andand gets you out of there with enough time to you know finish your night offand not have to worry about. You know when you're going to get to bed forwork in the morning. That's awesome, yeah really well doneman. I I enjoyd it a lot I'll, definitely be participating in more inthe future. Yeah, that's great! It was another great opportunity to for youknow you and Andrew, I think, to play competitively, because I know youguys haven't done a ton of the online tournaments, for you know just variousreasonable reasons, yeah, and so it was great to see you both participate. Iwant to ask you Ralei what was your experience with the tournament before Igo into that idea of one last question for you, you reference onattracks thatwere difficult to remember, which was the one that stumped you the heardest. It was the Lolanma mock, gx attack, nasty,NEMAGOMIX EAH, exactly well 'cause, like you get with the Mutu deck and there's just so manydifferent attacks. So I just I've. Stop You K, ow R, your mind kind of blanks alittle bit, so that was that was for sure thehardest one nasty ixgx. That's a lot of words in one attack to yeahand. Normally and again, it comesback to like kind of a principle that we talk about about a lot on the pie. Castin that I certainly talk a lotabout is just like how your brain kind...

...of organizes information, and so you know, I think, of the GX attack isjust being the you know, muckmuck g x, like that's how I compart mentalize itin my brain Ri. Don't ever look at the attack? Name, that's pretty much. Thecase outside ours are nexand right and, like the other, one is ultimate Ra onADP like I don't really look at that attack because I'm never really. Idon't know hoping T or I'm never really thinking about using it. You know I'mthinking about using the alter creation like ADP is altered, creation and, likealso has an attack, but that's another one that I just forget, because Icompart mentalize it in a certain way that you know isn't conduciveremembering the name of the attackhe oits pretty funny. I got a man so on myside, though Um I ended up not doing so well in a tournament itself, although Ihonestly, I wasn't ot my a game, and so I take partial responsibility for thatas well Um, but I played mad party. I wanted tohave some good t good fun with Edec th. I thought it was pretty decent. I stillthink it's actually pretty good, although I definitely did not hit thekinds of decks that I was expecting to be honest. If I hon, if I was being perfectlyhonesty, I was expecting like a fair amount of santiscourge. It was like onedeck that I thought was going to be overrepresented. Instead, I thought, like a bunch ofrandom stuff, that I really did not expect n would be in the other categoryon medacharts and they weren't n attack. Like theywere well constructed, youknow thoughtful dex, but they were well outside the range of things that I wasprepared for yeah and with a decklike Matparty. You really don't want that.SORIGHT right you're supposed to be the deck that not everyone her for assupposed to right, othe Wy. So I was telling you like it. I was onl o thisforth. The cast I would almost rather play ETPS 'cause. I have a verystraightforward game plan and I know what I'm doing and I match up very well:U, instead of played deck, that I was completely unfamiliar with like SableiGoon kind of dacks and like...

...lapes Emac Dex, and I was just notprepared for that Save Li. I gess Um, all Al Thath. It was Super Fun. Thedeck itself went pretty well. I wouldn't change too much about the list.I think mad partyis KINDOF flexible and how you play it. There's like a coupleof different engines that work pretty well, I have them all built on TCO,mploy them all fairly Liberaly, just 'cause. I really like the duck Um. I would definitely play mad party againif anyone wants to talk about Manpartir as a list she'll free, O Y. I don'twant to go too deep in the details of it. Just for I'll save you all the theheartache on the on the cast, but it I think it's a decent deck. Does it holdup. In nea I mean it's probably like a tier two or three deck Um, but that'sfine. I mean I was. I was intending to go in with it here two or three duck.Anyway, I was Ealy the two dacts I talked about on the road cast, theWatermutu and the mad party. Those were, I was playing one of those two dacks,okay, no matter what and uh, and it was fun and Brid and I actuallyplayed the same dack. He ended up dropping once he picked up a secondloss. I think he got dogged by an alternative yeah with a little scoop upShnanagans, and so he ended up playing like among US instead, but I stuck it out for a while just 'cause,I love playing the deck at Superyeah, so I mean on the whole, though myexperience even outside of playing was super good. My parents were all verygracious very fun to play with Um. It was very smooth, not a lot of weighttime and when there was, I could always count on being able to tune in thestream and there was like always a game going on. Very rarely was theredowntime Um, so I never really felt like. I was sitting around waiting,which is really M in talking with you. I think that's one of the things wedon't like the most about these tournaments is when you just havenothing to do between the rounds yeah, and so I had. I had a really good time.I will definitely be playing in more in the future.

Well, I play mad party ind, all of themprobably playing some of them M, maybe not all sure migt have to recoup some of mymoney before I plag too much mad party, but you know once et get to like aneven like bad party donations and other DEC recoperations. Then I think wit,the balads that Aro for it sothat'sum overall, really happy with I withoutwas Roud, really happy with my opponents and honestly I was prettyhappy with the deck. So no complaints here, that's great, that's Great Yeah!It's just m! The online scene is here to stay at least for the you know nextthree six months, and so we're happy to just add to that. There's a pretty richtournament scene right now and just hoping to put our own little spin onthat and make something you know unique to the full grip, brant yeah absolutely-And I think I think we're on the right to getting that. So thank you to JW. Thank you to Nabilyfor really rplowing through the back in of this and making it so successful. Um.If you guys aren't already make sure to show your loves an Adalide, she isreally the the backbone of the of the scene here at the grip. So she is, shedoes a lot of stuff for the shop and for the series of the next one will bein a couple of weeks, so registration willdrop on the twenty third and then two Tuesdays from now on. The twentyninth will be the next tournament, so if you're interested in playing, thereare only sixty four slots and you'll have the rege pretty quickly likewithin two hours of the registration opening, because I would expect thatmany people to reregister h pretty quickly again so...

...yeah be on the Lookan supercal, thanksagain JW for helping to get that Gon ofcourse next up on our list as part of our new season. Threespecial is the cart of the day, and so this week I wanted to bring a fun card that I really enjoyed. Itwas kind of a one hit wonder, and that is Lucarriogx. I want to write reveditsabout Leucario when there was a good fighting card in a MEDO. That's full of alternatives.I'm sureall wishing that there was a good fighting card, and this was one so the unfamiliar with theCarogx one evolve from Riolu for one fighting energy did o hundred andtwenty damage kind of Galycepod Esk, not exactly, but the real star of theshow for Lucario is also had a gx attack, identical actually to to badbulgxen Toros. For those you're familiar where you do three times theMount of damage. You've takeen back to your opponent and basically, what thisamounted to was Lacario was phenomenal against zorarchtecs, because Arton havea good way to hit it without taking a cantankerous, which also one of myfavorite attack names ever is can't take tankerous beat Um and I think it's Ora strike is thefirst attack Hm. So it was really good, againt Zoric at the time, because ordidn't have a good way to answer it, but irotically. I was also a goodpartner for Risarar as like Azaric answer: Slash high damage output cardbecause of strong energyes, and you know choiceband even dianse Orkakui.You could really hit the numbers M with that card. You could get to one ninetywithout even a diancy in her bench with just strong energy choice. Bancacuy themath back in the time was he ark was so interesting, Yeh right o right. So it was just aSuper Fun card, but it only really saw success...

...once in standard. I mean its sawsomelike Nishplay here and there the only time. I think it really was successfuland standard, and you can crrect me if I'm wrong here, cause Um and the immediate fallout of Um. The team upset dropping where ZoricUPARIO likeen rock was like the Anti Pikaram Antimeta kind of deck Um, and that was it was really good tack.It was really fun. Some people eventook omen further played Lecario likerockandwee Isle, which Uh was a little extra. If you asked me, but was still a viable option, I guess anduh that was pretty much it. I don't. I don't think I ever saw a success instandard outside of that Um, which was really quite sad because my friends andI were super excited when the box came out and we all got a bunch of 'em and Ijust want to show the Caro Te love it deserves. So thank you, Ligario for allthat you do. Thank you for your very cool focus, Ashdeck and expanded. Thatis now completely unviable. Yes, absolutely absolutely great attacknames, very cool arts. I think the the car is the El cars man. It came outwith a shiny and it was just like looking sweet, an the hidden fateslicaros, a cool pokamon too. I know lacario kind of started, maybe a trendof like the cool like G Pokaman. You know what I'm saying that whatpersisted for a couple of generations like Zoric and Lacorio honestly are, onthe same genre, a p ruter sure I feel that, but honestly, maybe I'm just hasocker F, but I like those poke 'emon. I like Hem, a lot. Do you buy into the edgy the EdgleFocaatro Edge, Lord Pocomon troope? Who else would be in there grinted jug inthere Nja I like Gneje to in Itmore, likehumanoid yeah ciduize, like kind a on the fringe of it? Okay, what about where does scralpfitin there scrulp is definitely scrub...

...like hangs at the crew but they're notlike overly supportive of him being there. Okay, that makes sense, but nobody has theheart to tellescrop to leave, because his mom gives them cookies right right, of course, but basicallyyou're like it seems like you're, describing all the smash characters.Yes sat our poke, absolutely there's overlap between those GenreseYeah Yeah, yeah yeah, that's fun. They like cok about their design to bepopular. You know, like you, look at dark and like yeah. This is the OK Nthat was supposed to be popular from Jinti Yeah. I, like I, don't know likeGarchop. I GUESS! No, I don't think Ourstan's all the way there really Ni,even O, I not Tine to be popular Garchop was definitely designed. Ton Bepopular, but he doesn't really fit into the same mold. You know othey if theyhave like. I think that's what you're actually looking for is like if theyhave extra spikes somewhere, then they're supposed to be cool, likeLucario, has like spikes that I'm looking at it now and I like neverreally rar. He as spikes on his hand, just like on o a bike on his chest.Yeah Yeah Yeah it Jus. It doesn't really make a lot ofsense. Yeah I mean he got Zorarc with his very large man, the Caro, with hisbig spikes on his hands, and I it looks uncomfortable almost likethey. U have to chest. Bi, like I mean you coand, just like hit bad your daytoday and how do you? How do you hug someone Lucario, will never know thejoy of a hug without also the sorrow of stabvingsaid persons yeah, I mean he will be able to hug butthey're. Also Dea. It's a one time deal sidehugs forever, maybe licariais. Justlike the ultimate Um like friend zone, pokemant EA. He onlyHav herd hands only Siddosyes,...

I'm ashing, the Caro Givin he hummerhand. Strainer is definitely cool yeah, it's pretty epic for sure. That'sGadalso the car. You had a movie, which was very good. Do you know why that ovewas good t w? No enlightened me? It was because thisis the movie that had the Reggie Pokavad and the regipocomop was sofunny in the movie. Okay, weren't Meve Communic, but they sounded hilarious. Iwas going to say it didn't have to do with their voice. Yeah haven't seenthat ton of the pogaman movie, so maybe we should like have a watch party orsometh y. You gotta at least look up like Regii in the movie soocan yeah.The only the only pokmon related movie mean that I know is my horn ass. MySword, Awan ged too, my Lord Ri sored. I watch them all with my friends incollege. There honestly pooros are really fun, seem pretty busted for share superfonman. I love a book want to say their names. That's just tever og yeah, but alot of them make sense and then yeah you get to some thet. Just you know they go off the rails, likethey've, run out of distinctive noises to make they just get Kinda. Kindoweird. You know certainly Ingen. Five, six, you know you look starting to seethat you know I feel like Genuan like made a lot of sense like Balbesore.Everyone knows how bold the sort sounds. You know everyone knows how h you know,charm undersounds, but like how you know. Who knows what scrupsounds like that's what I'm saying you know you're just this anti thrill ro. It should not be a POKEM ISCR.Honestly, the more you hate, trowp, the more fond I grow, scrill really! Sothat's! Actually all the SCRILP power in the universe resides betweenuexactly,...

...well moral e story, shoted Tlcarioshotto the CAROGX and wanted to get phrase to a fighting type Hokemon that Umdoesn't get to thrive in today's format, verture. So, let's move into then theMEDA. I think it's a a perfect shift, so obviously, with avoid in thefighting type, there's one deck that really benefits from that and that'sgoing to be the Atterni Staateris vmax with it's Um, the two hundred and seventy damage,turn to every game, get egsagons or poison, or you know, whatever dark typeyou have in your deck ponor at the time honestly straightforward. We talkedabout a bunch atternitous powerful, as ever the other deck thatreally succeeded at full grip, even more so than aternative. Gettingfive of the top aight spots was Eih t ahion. So again we don't have to gointo h. What got us there? We Know Eihty P. AH, there's a couple shipsthat we've seen over the list- overtime, but fundamentally the core of the deckaltertration Gusgus game is preserve Yep. So, let's dive into those one byone we'llstart with TPIC aution 'cause. It's Olv Mor success. Why do you thinkeighty pic hn was such a good pick for the fullgrap online series and do youthink that is sustainable going forward? Um? Yes, I do. I do think it issustainable going forward. I mean this kind of the whole meda in general,feels like an en game to the metow as a whole like if we arelooking at the two best decks, I think, being you know, atternative and a ADPlike that's pretty much the entire. That was the entire metaphor Um thislast tournament, and so I think, yeah we're looking at kind of this. At leastin this one tournament. We saw what the...

...end game of this warmat could look likeand that's scary, that's a little bit exciting o know. Certainly we're goingto be getting in a new set here. Coming up, maybe shake a few things up, butyes, it definitely revolves around this ATP an Atturnitie, and what I like fromthe ADP list is that they are going very aggressive into gusting the listthat one played four bosses order, an Eldegosto, recycle bossis order and agradcatcher so being able to gust up to six times. You know you're, obviously're not going to need them any gus, but the fact that you have access to it asmany times as you do is great for that deck. And then we also saw another listthat has been floating around that Danny played at this tournament andthat involved just kind of not even playing like disruption cards asidefrom em all while I believe he played Hem all while, but but the biggestthing there was playing the foregust and then via the bosses. ORDERAND enforgos, viaPogama Catcher, yeah, so really kind to take advantage of gosting up the benchPokman and you know going all in for that strategy playing for research asthe only draw supporter and then playing a bunch of gusts and a bunch ofdedenae like three dedene, a Crobat just trying to get that stuff out andreally going for broke on that strategy m. He ended up going. I believe fourand two started out foro and you know hit a couple of rough matshs theretowards the end. But that would be where I would look for ad p to go inthe future. Just having those gust options is absolutely enormous for thedeck and I think it's got. I mean it's here to stay. Itwas here to say, but this tournament really showed like just how powerful lady he can be. Ifeel like we've had for the last you know month or so of thisformat, like we've seen people kind of...

...almost intentionally turn away from adP. Because of you know this ban a DP movement or just they. They want to trysomething new and it. This turnent really showed me likeyes, a D P, just that's just powerful as it was, and it's not going to goanywhere, and I it really should make up. You know a large portion of themedigaine yeah. I even want to specifically call out Um. I, like thethe COK macatcher list, alot at's, very similar to the kinds of engines. I'vebeen running an ADP, but if you saw a lot of success withvery different structure, yes, I mean the core of ADP there's a lot of cardsthat preserve no matter what version of Ma you're playing yeah, but there was a lot of variation inlike the MINUSHA, so Michael Zaly got second, he playd, crushing HammersDaniel Tavila, obviously playing the pokman catchers. Like you said, there'ssome there playing terbal patches. There are some that are playing. Youknow, just a more shape forward, like bosses, orders and Marny kind of style,maybe leaning more into Samasenta. So really there's just so much going onwith these atpdaks- and I mean it's just a testament to how strong the deckis if it can csucceed in so many ways that it that people aren't agreeing yeton what is the best way to play, while it's still winning tournements, so I mean a DP. Obviously we we've saidit a bunch of times very strong card M phenomenally powerful. I mean that wasreally just a case study and how good it is. You know and people I feel likewe've gotten th the rhetoric time and time again at like you know, ADP, youknow how big of a deal is it really if it's not waiting tournaments, which e,I think, I's Maulti logic but b. You know we just prove thits, not true, so yeahsure and of course this was youknow a cap tournament and you know, therethere could have been manydifferent reasons that people chose a...

DP like, for instance, you know. Maybea lot of people thought that a lot of other people would bring random decks.You know, and so they were like. Okay, I just want to beat the random dex. Sothat's why I'm going to go with ADP UM, you know. So it was a limitedtournament to sixty four people and the sixty four people that registered firstso m. You know, certainly that has to be kind of a factor of like well okay,if you're going to go to this tournament. What's just maybe a comfortpick or a pick, that's going to do well against the field, and I think you knowthat certainly played into why so many people played a DP. But for myexperience I haven't found ad P to have a good match up against Atternitis, andI know that I was just watching Um. I was just watching omnipok's videoabout a hundred games with EIDP, and I found that really fascinating, becausehis results were drastically different from my results, with the ADP versus Atternatius matchup and so on his end he found the ADP was significantly favored. On my end, Ifeel like atternative, while not significantly, favored is favored inthat matcup, and so it's just been really interesting to see how Um youknow. You see that kind of play out in an O itself and and watching it unfoldon the stream. The other day was. It was really nice yeah. I I personallythink ETP has an edge and that match up yea. I think it more consistently doeswhat it wants. Turne to you, then Atturna this and the edition ofcatchers actually makes the gusting. So much easier right w. If you have acombination of catchers and Ma Whisle, that I think you're pretty set for thematch up right, like there's got two energy attacker, youkill two crobats. You have boss, roters and partmint Cather. To do it so right sure, and and of course therewould be ways for I turnit is to play around that, but it it gets really hardwhen Crobat is the draw of your deck so m, you know whether or not I hit in youknow whether or not it is a good match...

...of four et p Um. You know. Certainly Ineed to figure out a little bit more again, I maybe hitting into the thevariante that gives me a different outcome and it gives me a differentopinion, but m yeah. It's just it's interesting. I do think that Atternativery strong deck, a DP, very strong, probably the two strongest ecks in theformat right now, and we absolutely saw that in the results. Now the cool thingabout the atternitists. We also saw some varianc theyare, just like we fowwith Ady Peleist and Varians inaternitives came from whether or notthey played a poison style version with taxicroaksand dark cities and slow groves andgarbators or whether or not they played you know, th the more consistent n,maybe not even Consiste, the more straightforward list. I guess it wasIxan some scubobnets yeah, and that was that was interesting to seekind of playout 'cause. Both the lists did do pretty well, but to see thepoisonlist actually perform in this tournament, where I hadn't ever reallyseen it m take up, you know the higher placements in other tournaments. I wasreally cool to see yeah. So do you have any preferencesyourselv about what kind of list do you think is better? Do you think itdepends on that? Agame I've been working a lot with a playerwho playd the poison list, and he just really loves it, and I I can see nowwhy he does, because that poison damage does add up over the course of the gameand M is pretty good in the mirror and that's KINDOF. What I was looking forin atternative list as being able to hit those high numbers and with apoison deck I mean Y, you really can y. u, youcan get up to the numbers that you want to hit pretty reliably. If you can geta couple of toxicroaks out, so Um I'm going to mess a little bit more withthat of variance and the poison. You...

...know also has some reasonable use, andactually I mean not reasonably US- has very good use in some of your less thanstellar matcchips. So things like the sigy was a bad matchup, but with thepoison um O, you can do fifty damage. You know per passing of the turn andthat adds up insanely quick. You know and same with something like LucarioMelmatal or any other deck that would play. You know a couple of theZamazentas you just get that poisoned stuff and all of a sudden they're, justracking up damage way faster than they can heal. So I I think it's it's a coollittle inclusion that does actually shore up some of the bad matchs foralternities. The dowyside would be, of course, you're trying to set up morethings. So if you go, you know taxacroak and garbador trying to set upthree stage twos and that's a lot to ask for, but again the reward can be very worthit. Do you think Garador is the superior poison engine to just runningUm Galarian slubber? Well, the thing about Slobro is that itreally only works after a knockout, and you know realistically you're onlygoing to get one pokmon knocked out. So the slowborough is, I think, anecessity. I think you need to have it, but I don't know that you cannecessarily rely on it unless you're, including you know, potentially even more than six switchouts. Like I mean I hink, itwas switch and Dory City. If, if you play a heavy switch CCOUNT yeah, but Imean you might even need like birdkeeper like it really, it hasn'tworked out when I've been playing the slowbrow, that it makes a lot of senseto have that double switch in hand or m. You just don't have that. You know withMarny and recent stamp being you know as prominent as they have been.Never really works out that way to have the double switch. When you absolutelyneed it Welldo. If you play a decent...

...amount, dark city to SNT, ane right, no for sure IEE, like Stadiams,actually des kind of stick in this farmat yeah yeah. It's just somethingthat I found from testing with a few different people. U that it hasn'thasn't quite worked out. I think you know you would need a couple ofbirdkeepers D, certainly the the switches and certainly the dark city,to make sure that you can have that double switch turn when you need itsure. So are there any other decks that you found to be interesting orsurprising up in the top ranks yeah? Well, the Salamons. I don't think wecan go without mentioning Salamons yeah, so Salemont was hpiloted by David Thegretz third place very cool little Lis year, showing offwhat sounlents can do with the lightning and trible accelerationversion of the deck so really strong list very consistent utilized, powerfulenergy and trible exyle, and he lightnings. Of course, and Um you knowI I wasn't able to cast him at all: Didn't cast a game that he was playingin or playing you know with. So I didn't get to see the deck in action,but seems like about as good of a list as you can make for this archetype andit's cool to see him do well. I heard that it had a pretty decent eighty Pmatchp, that's sick, yeah Il have to see more of that deckinaction. I was excited to seet up there, though absolutely yeah. I mean whether or notthis archetype can't succeed. I I doubt it I mean I think David was Um. Youknow he did very well and I'm sure he was playing brilliantly, but whether ornot he was expecting to do that. Well, I'm not sure it's a list that Idefinitely want to try out, though, because Um it certainly is. You know acard that I really enjoy and I've kind of pictured soundens being a little bitbetter with welter, because it's a...

...little bit more sustainable than havingto find a triple acceleration every single turn, but at the same timetriple excel. Maybe it is a little bit faster in the sense that you don't needto set up this Combo to get going so it'll be curious to see whether or notthis list can. You know, perform well again in the future, yeah for sure cool,any other major showings dat. You want to shot up. We had a couple of deciduy guns playersagain. I think that deck is pretty strong. Assuming that you don't see alot of aternitives with poison, that's kind of the the killer there. You know Tecidyagoons has a very strong matchof against both atternatus and ADP assumng.You can get things out. You know, assuming you don't deaddraw and brick,but that's that's a dact that I really enjoy in this format, especially beingas kind of polarized as it is around those two topics. You can try to bringout these counter strategies and I think that's one of the bestcounterdecks right now. Yeah Really Ropathentic scorch match up. If youhappen to run into that, though, that's true, that's true and and luckily yeah,I was working with Rhyan a little bit on his list and luckily for him hedidn't play many Sentiscorchin, like you were saying earlier in the casttherweren't, really any sentise fortune al. I was really expecting a couple man. I didn't play one and I did beat them yeah. You did O I'm proud of you, but Iwas expecting wast like randomly like a lot of Ata scourts. I don't know why. Etoo me too, honestly, I was like I was like man that Couldi cu definitely belike. I feel sy Scorch in the air. You know it was brewing. I it wasn't actuallyVeri Ogh. I was quite sad. Oh well go. Maybe maybe in two weeksmaybe maybe place ANA scarcas. I need this for mad party, so I think Nowis a perfect time to openup to questions. If you all have any...

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...going for Um with this tournamentseries of of certainly again prizes on the line that were that were good.There were great prizes, a lot of store credit on the line that a lot of peoplewere really looking forward to, but also making sure that it wasn't so hightistakes that people felt intimidted by trying to enter for sure BEA crushe from fireflamefireflame fire. Zero. Excuse me if they are break down of the meto share fromthe Fogu tournament available. There is yeahnavalie made a littlegrafh. So if you follow her um, she posted ontwitter and there actuallymight also be one in the the discord for thetournament series. I haven't checked recently, but she certainly has nottither awesome so be sure to chek out an aely switter and the fullg onlineserious discord. Thank you all so much as always be sure to follow us ontoitter as well. That's that smiles of rils and at realjohn Walter and followthe streams. So that's munner and flextaty righteous on twitch, and wewill be catching you all next time. I appreciate you. Ias Always Pees, see Im.

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