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Season 3, Episode 3 · 1 year ago

3-3. Get a (Full) Grip

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are fresh off the inaugural Full Grip Online Series and ready to break down the event itself and how the meta for Darkness Ablaze has panned out. Catch the Mad Party, featuring Eternatus and ADP!

What's up everybody? Welcome back totag team, the POKEMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name isRiley Hulbert, joined as always by my good friend JW crew. All JWhas hanging today pretty good. Riley, I had an unintended day off.An unintended day off. What does that constitute? Well, so I havebeen picking up this job here with the Census Bureau to in some knocking ondoors, going door to door, asking for people's Information, and we getour assignments like the morning of and the system just went down. So Iwas like supposed to work, you know, six or eight hours today and Iworked no hours because the system broke, and so kind of had a littlebit of a free day today. Oh Wow, I didn't know systemslike that would just go down on you. Well, it's I know, it'sa pretty simple system. You'd be surprised at how many errors there are, but there are significant numbers of bears. Awesome. Well, anything else excitinggoing on? I mean they all have pretty cool I wish. Iwish I could say something was more exciting in my life. We had wejust had the full grip online series inaugural tournament yesterday, which was a blastto be a part of. Yeah, I said that was pretty exciting.I could really see the gearious spinning in your brain as you tried to getthe word inaugural out there. Well, they don't, you know, inmy old age, they don't come quite it is quickly anymore and older bythe day to write. I know it doesn't stop really, Riley, nothingcare. It's act that what feels of time. Enjoy your time as atwenty four year old, because soon enough you'll be. It'll be as oldas me. I've been saying this, man, I feel like I've beentwenty four for too long now. It's, yeah, an atrociously long time tobe twenty four. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely been it's definitely been rough. And I've been reading to about the election and how, if it'sa if it's close race, how you know, there might be some likerefusal to either give up power or like a refusal by the other party tolike admit defeat, and that's got me scared to man, because like whata perfect cap to two thousand and twenty is to have our presidential election likeup in flames. Yeah, Oh, yeah, be sent you know,to the judiciary, courts or to the to Congress, to, you know, resolve. I think that would just be, you know, saying and, yeah, just another, another perfect way to encapsulate all the two thousandand twenty has been. One thing you can't let me forget to do thisis I have to have to get any driver's license because you're you're twenty one, drivers license ex fires and you're twenty five on that day. So,Yikes. Well, I will make sure to call you, text you,set up an email reminder. Yeah, that'd be good. Okay, good, maybe I'll even make a youtube video, so when you upload the podcasts forthat week you'll see you a video. They're already that says Riley. Makesure to R new, Dar sure, yeah, I get your driver's licensefor new. Yeah, I just got to imagine. The BMV islike Super Weird. You know, I have you never been. Well,just like in the current context of Oh, yes, yes, I have tomake appointments. I heard that you have to make appoints well in advanceand then it's still slow. Yeah, you know which I mean. Itwould make sense, but just like you know, they haven't. They stillhaven't figured out a way to streamline, you know, making making reservation forpeople, all right, one an absurd organization number one, and inefficiency numberone, an inefficiency. Yeah, absolutely, they top the charts every time.Also, I gotta say, man,...

...your this isn't really relevant to thelisteners, but your cameras like a little laggie here. It is lookinga little bit laggy. I don't know what to say. Yeah, andI mean, I guess I can roll with it, as long as theaudios coming through now. I mean, I can hear you all right,responding to nothings you say, so that's fair enough. Well, sorry,viewers, you're just gonna have to deal with JW and it lips being alittle out of sick with with is is word as just going to be.Have to be how it is our guys, anyway. So you mentioned the fullgrip series and I would like to I'd like to talk about that.Obviously we have things to say about the Meta. We've already talked a lotabout this Meta and I think I think the full grip series honestly kind ofencapsulated the better that we've talked about. So I want to break down insteadsome of the aspects of what it was like to be at part of thatexperience. So, you know, we've been talking now for a couple weeksabout, you know, what it would look like, how you envision itcoming forth and honestly, from my perspective as someone who participated and and watchthe tournament, I thought it was really spectacularly done. So talk to meabout what goes into the back end of these things. What was always yourthought process? What were the kind of things that you need to implement orconsider ahead of time to make this so successful? Yeah, well, Ithink with any any tournament series or really any just event, it's really importantto have kind of an inch infrastructure in place and for us that was havingNatalie, myself and Andrew all they're kind of at the drop of a hat, just being able to have those moderation privileges, being able to access anypart of the tournament should someone need, you know, to drop or shouldsomeone needs to have a question about decklist or things like that. I think, you know, doing it with one person in it would have been notimpossible, but certainly a strain on our time and our mental energy, andso it was great to have those, you know, other people to workwith, and I particularly want to shout out Natalie, who devoted a lotof attention to making sure that things were running smoothly in terms of registration andsigning up for the event. I kind of did a lot of the frontend things, doing like setting up the discord and making sure that that wasvery user friendly in the sense that everyone kind of, you know, wouldknow exactly how the tournament was going to run and how the rounds are goingto proceed and, you know, just kind of getting all the infrastructure inthe discords that just people knew, you know, where to go when andhow to do the things that they needed to do. And then again,Natalie took care of a lot of that back and stuff that behind the scenes, where it was, you know, people registering and dropping and so gettingthings and getting onto battlefly and different things like that. So absolutely you needa team to do this and, you know, going forward it would definitelybe something that that we would look to potentially expand the, you know,moderation team just to make sure that should any issues arise, which we reallydidn't have during the tournaments, but should any issues arrive, that we havethe necessary people there to be able to deal with it. Yeah, andI think that's definitely it. An awesome part of it is that it wasa real collaborative effort and you can really see that in the in the tournamentitself as it was actively going on. You had natalie running the rounds,he had you running the Stream Andrew kind of running the stream table and helpingthat get organized. It was it was super cool. So talk to memore about the stream specifically. What was it like to Solo cast a tournament? Was it exhausting even to have to cast on your own for so longor the things? Yeah, change.

Yeah, Solo casting was pretty difficultin the sense that you are trying to juggle not only what's happening with thegame but also trying to juggle decklis and certain cards and certain attacks and thingslike that. You get in a little bit of a rhythm and you getinto a rhythm of the way that you need to speak about certain cards.So if you forget the attack name on one of the cards, you knowyou don't. You don't go trying to search for it, although I probablydid that a couple of times, but you know you move on in away that that still gives the listener and understanding of what's going on without yousounding like you don't know what you're talking about. So that's that's a realthat's a real struggle as a solo caster because you're trying to figure out,okay, what's everybody playing, especially if you're moving to different games, youknow, midstream, driving into different scenarios, and then you're trying to keep,you know, just anything that you would during a regular game in play. So just trying not to forget that the opponent gx attacked or trying toremember that, okay, this pokemon has this amount of damage on it andthat means that it has this amount of HP remaining. Sometimes it gets alittle bit funky when you're casting, particularly with discord, because some people streamsare a little bit shaky. And that's not to say like we don't appreciatehaving you stream. We hundred percent appreciated everyone that's streamed their games, butthat can also be hard because, you know, it's sometimes it gets difficultto make out, you know, some of the HP's and some of thedamage counterplacements. But sure, yeah, those are those are some of thethings that that were difficult. I would absolutely say that casting solo was somethingthat I enjoyed, I mean because it is a lot more free form thancasting with another person. You know, you really have the bounce off thatother person. If they don't bring the same energy or a higher energy thanit can be kind of difficult to cast with someone right. But casting solowas great. Absolutely would do it again. Cool. Anything that you would changegoing forward was their lessons that we learned as a result of this tournamentthat you think you're going to take into the next one. Lessons Learn wouldbe I think there were a few minor changes that we could make to theround end and just maybe put those up front. So you know, everyonethat was involved at the tournament wanted to make sure that the rounds progressed likealmost as quickly as possible, and I think you can really do that ina format like this, where you know it's games can be over relatively quicklycompared to, you know, most any other format, and so you knowyou want to just kind of speed things along and I think there was oneround where we, you know, maybe maybe started the round, you know, five or ten minutes early, but you know, people thought that theyhad maybe a little bit more time if around US thirty minutes. You know, we were we were kind of saying, okay, well, if we needthose thirty minutes, then all players will have them. But we endedup starting around early because everyone had already finished their games. And then whatthat resulted in with somebody, you know, unfortunately being tardy to the next round. And so that would be something that we might say up front eitherthat we will just add here to this kind of thirty minute bullet segment style, which is fine, you know, we'll still probably get the tournament done, you know, in death three hour window. But yeah, you know, just making sure that whatever that decision is on round start, that wemake it up front, we let everybody know that. You know, hey, we're going to run it this way. Sure. So, is there anythingthat you thought was particularly successful? Flipping from the kind of the reverseof lessons learned and things that you can grow from, let's do something thatyou just really enjoyed are really proud of as a result of this event.Well, I think it was great. I mean it's just another it's anotheronline tournament series that a lot of people...

...were excited for. I think thepositivity that we've seen in the discord amongst players was great. You're seeing alot of, you know, newer players or maybe players that haven't really participatedat a regional or even local level that are, you know, feel comfortablein the setting, in the community that you know, Andrew and and Natalieand you and me have all kind of created and all the other full grip, you know, affiliated team members have created, and they felt very comfortablekind of coming out to this event and knowing that, you know, okay, yeah, they're not going to look to maybe win, but they alsoknow that by participating in this that they're not going to have a negative experiencewith any other member of the community, and so that was a real positivethat I saw. Just throughout everything. People were very respectful before the tournament, you know, getting into the tournament. If they had questions, it wasn'tever. No one was ever really harsh with any of the admins andthen during the tournament no one really, you know, rule shark or cheatedin any way. So we were very not surprised because, again, thethe community that has been kind of created around full grip is a is avery welcoming one, I would say, but it's just we're very thankful thatnothing did happen. Yeah, yeah, the Pokemon community always likes the toutitself as being, you know, a welcoming, inclusive one, and Ithink, you know, compared to many gaming communities, that's true. Ido think the the circle that we formed around tag team and tricky gym andFlex Daddy as a whole is is really one that I'm proud of and happyto be a part of. So that's awesome. I'm glad that you feelthe same way. Yeah, definitely, it was a great, well runtournament. I think one of the positives to the series is that, yeah, we do just really want to adhere and and respect people's time that they'vedevoted to this, and so that that kind of is the guiding principle,at least for these early ones, of just kind of keeping it as thisthis challenge esque tournament where we're going to be over in three hours and youknow that going in and you don't have to worry about, you know,some male function happening keeping you there late in the day or anything like that. We're just going to be prompt, on time, smooth and, youknow, get you in and out and play some competitive pokemon. For,you know, very reasonable and strong prizes. Yeah, absolutely, and and getyou out of there with enough time so you know, Finish your nightoff and not have to worry about, you know, when you're going toget to bed for work in the morning. That's awesome. Yeah, really welldone, man. I enjoyed it a lot. I'll definitely be participatingin more in the future. Yeah, that's great. It was another greatopportunity to for, you know, you and Andrew, I think, toplay competitively, because I know you guys haven't done a ton of the onlinetournaments for, you know, just various reasonable reasons. Yeah, and soit was great to see you both participate. I want to ask you, rally, what was your experience with the tournament? Before I go into thatidea of one last question for you. You reference at tracks that were difficultto remember. which was the one that stumped you the hardest? It wasthe Aluwland mock muck gx attack, nasty moomic mix. Yeah, yeah,exactly. Well, because, like you get with the mew two deck andthere's just so many different attacks. So I just that's tough. You know, your mind kind of blanks a little bit. So that was. Thatwas for sure the hardest one. Thing Nasty. You Mix gx. That'sa lot of words and one attack to yeah, and normally and again itcomes back to like kind of a principle that we talked about about a loton the podcast and that I certainly talked a lot about, is just likehow your brain kind of organizes information.

And so, you know, Ithink of the GX attack is just being the you know, muck Muck Gx, like. That's how I compartmentalize it in my brain. Right, Idon't ever look at the attack name. I think that's pretty much the case. Outside. Ours are GX and right and like the other one is ultimateray on ATP. Like I don't really look at that attack because I'm neverreally, I don't know, hoping to or I'm never really thinking about usingit. You know, I'm thinking about using the altar creation, like ATPis alter creation and like also has an attack. But that's another one thatI just forget because compartmentalize it in a certain way that, you know,isn't conducive to remembering the name of the attack there. So it's pretty funny. I get it. Man. So on my side, though, Iended up not doing so well in the tournament itself, although I honestly Iwasn't on my a game and so I take partial responsibility for that as well. But I played mad party I wanted to have some good, good funwith a deck that I thought was pretty decent. I still think is actuallypretty good, although I definitely did not hit the kinds of decks that Iwas expecting. To be honest, if I honest, if I was beingperfectly honest with you, I was expecting like a fair amount of Senti scorge. It was like one deck that I thought was going to be overrepresented.Yeah, instead, I fought like a bunch of random stuff that I reallydid not expect and would be in the other category on Meta Charts. Andthey weren't bad acts, like they are well constructed, you know, thoughtfuldex but they were just well outside the range of things that I was preparedfor. Yeah, and with a deck like mad party, you really don'twant that. So now, right, right, you're supposed to be thedeck that not everyone's prepared for, as opposed to right the way around this. I was telling you like it was something this for the cast. Iwould almost rather play atps because I have a very straightforward game plan and Iknow what I'm doing in that matchup very well. But instead of played dexthat was completely unfamiliar with like Save Ale eye goon kind of decks and likeLaughers v Max decks, and I was just not prepared for that save liedeck. Yea. All, although it is Super Fun, the deck itselfwent pretty well. I wouldn't change too much about the list. I thinkmad parties kind of flexible and how you play it. There's like a coupledifferent engines that work pretty well. I have them all built on Tcgo andplay them all fairly liberally, just because I really like the deck. Iwould definitely play mad party again. If anyone wants to talk about mad partyor as a list, feel free to hit me up. I don't wantto go too deep in the details of it just for I'll save you allthe heart ache on the on the cast, but it's I think it's a decentdeck. Does it hold up in the Nanta? I mean it's probablylike a tier two or three deck, but that's fine. I mean Iwasn't I was intending to go in with a tier two or three deck.Anyway, I was for literally the two decks I talked about on the roadcast, the water mewtwo in the mad party. Those were the I was playing oneof those two decks, okay, no matter what, and and itwas fun and Brady and I actually played the same deck. He ended updropping once he picked up a second loss. I think he got dogged by anin turn of this, Oh yeah, with a little scoop up shenanigans,and so he ended up playing like among US instead. But I stuckit out for a while just because I love playing the deck and Super Fun. Yeah, so, yeah. I mean on the whole, though,my experience, even out side of playing, was super good. My opponents wereall very gracious, very fun to play with. It was very smooth. Not a lot of weight time, and when there was, I couldalways count on being able to tune in the stream and there was like alwaysa game going on. Very rarely was there downtime, so I never reallyfelt like I was sitting around waiting, which is really in talking with you, I think that's one of the things we don't like the most about thesetournaments is when you just have nothing to do between the rounds. Yeah,and so I had a I'd really good time. I will definitely be playingin more in the future. Well, I played Mad Party and all ofthem. Probably play in some of them,...

...maybe not all. Sure, theyhave to recoup some of my money before I play too much mad party. But you know, once we get to like an even like bad partydonations and other deck recuperations, then I think we hit the balance that wego for. So that's okay. Overall, really happy with it. Without wasround, really happy with my opponents and honestly, I was pretty happywith the deck. So no complaints here. That's great. That's great. Yeah, it's just the online scene is here to stay, at least forthe you know, next three six months, and so we're happy to just addto that. There's a pretty rich tournament scene right now and just hopingto put our own little spin on that and make something, you know,unique week to the full grip brand. Yeah, absolutely, and I thinkI think we're on the right to get in that. So thank you tojaw, thank you to Natalie for really plowing through the back end of thisand making it so successful. If you guys aren't already make sure to showyour love to Natalie. She is really the backbone of the of the scenehere at the grip, so she is she does a lot of stuff forthe shop and for the series. So the next one will be in acouple weeks. So registration will drop on the twenty three and then to Tuesdaysfrom now on. The twenty nine will be the next tournament. So ifyou're interested in playing, there are only sixty four slots and you'll have theedge pretty quickly, like within two hours of the registration opening, because Iwould expect that many people to reregister pretty quickly again. So yeah, beon the lookout. Super Cool. Thanks again, jaw, for helping toget that going. Of course. Next up on our list as part ofour new season three special is the car of the day, and so thisweek I wanted to bring a fun card that I've really enjoyed. It waskind of a one hit wonder, and that is Lucaro gx. I wantto write reminisce about Lucario. When there was a good fighting card in aMeta that's full of a turn of this, I'm sure we'll all wishing that therewas a good fighting card, and this was one. So for theunfamiliar. The CARYO gx want evolved from Reolu for one fighting energy to ahundred twenty damage, kind of Galisopod Esk, not exactly. But the real starof the show for Lucario is it also had a gx attack identical,actually too bad, ul gx on Toros, for those who are familiar, whereyou do three times the amount of damage you've taken back to your opponent. And basically what this amounted to was the cargo was phenomenal against Zor ArkDecks because these arc didn have a good way to hit it without taking acantankerous, which is also one of my favorite attack names. Ever, iscan't take its a tank Orus beat and I think it's or a strike isthe first attack m. So it was really good against arc at the timebecause ORC didn't have a good way to answer it. But ironically was alsoa good partner for Zor Ark as like a Zaric answer high damage output cardbecause of the strong energies and you know, right choice band, even Dianca orKukui. You could really hit the numbers with that card. You couldget to one hundred and ninety without even a dance in your bench, butjust strong energy choice band Kukui. The math back in the time was Arkwas so interesting. Yeah, right, right. So it was just aSuper Fun card, but it only really saw success once in standard. Imean it saw some like niche play here...

...and there, the only time Ithink it really was successful on standard, and you can correct me if I'mI'm wrong here, because in the immediate fall out of the team upset,dropping where Zaric Lucaro, like in rock, was like the Anti Peka Ram AuntiMeta kind of deck, and that was it was really good deck.It was really fun. Some people even took even further played Lucaro like rockand we vile, which was a little extra if you ask me, butyeah, but still a viable option, I guess. And that was prettymuch it. I don't I don't think it ever saw success and standard outsideof that, which is really quite sad because my friends and I were superexcited when the box came out and we all got a bunch of them andI just want to show Lucaro love it deserves. So thank you, Lucaro, for all that you do. Thank you for your very cool focus ashdeck and expanded that is now completely unviable? Yes, absolutely, absolutely, greatattack names, very cool art. I think the Lucardos a cool cardman. It came out with a shiny and it was just like looking sweetand the hidden faces. Lukaros one a cool pokemon to I know Lucaro kindof started maybe a trend of like the cool, like edgy pokemon. Youknow, I'm saying that we persisted for a couple generations like Zarka La Caryo. Honestly, are in the same genre of poker. Sure, I feelthat, but honestly, maybe I'm just a sucker, but I like thosepokemon. I like them a lot. Do you buy into the the edgy, the edge Lord Pokemon Trope? Edge Lord Pokemon trope. Who else wouldbe in there? Gr Ninja's in there, Ninja. I like Gr Ninja tokind of more like humanoid. Yeah, a Deciduali is like kind of onthe fringe of it. Okay, what about where to SCRUP FIT inthere? SCRUP is definitely scrub like hangs with the crew, but they're notlike overly supportive of him being there. Okay, that would make sense,but nobody has the heart to tell scrulp to leave because his mom gives themcookies. All right, right, of course, but basically you're like,it seems like you're describing all the smash characters. Yes, that are poke. Absolutely, there's overlap between those genres. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'sfunny. They, like Pokemon, their designed to be popular, youknow, like you look at his dark and like yeah, this is thePokemon that was supposed to be popular from Jena. Yeah, I like,I don't know, like car chop, I guess now I don't think ourchops all the way. They're really not given to it, not to bepopular. CARTOP was definitely design to be popular, but he doesn't really fitinto the same mold. You know, Bro, they if they have likeI think that's what you're actually looking for, is like if they have extra spikessomewhere, then they're supposed to be cool. Like Lucario has like spikesthat. I'm looking at it now and I like never really really has spikeson his hand. He's like one of these just spike on his chest.Yeah, yeah, yeah, it just it doesn't really make a lot ofsense. Yeah, I mean you got zo Ark with his very large mainthe cargo with his big spikes on his hands and it looks uncomfortable, almostlike they step the chest spike like. I mean, you could just likehit that your day to day and how do you? How do you hugsomeone? The caryo will never know the joy of a hug without also thesorrow of stabbing said person. Yeah, yeah, I mean he will beable to hug, but they're also dead. It's a onetime deal. Side hugsforever. Or maybe Lukario is just like the ultimate like friend zone POKEMON. Yeah, he only have our hands, only side us. Yeah, yeah, I'm bashining the CARYO. Give...

...it a hover. Hand to Straineris definitely cool. Yeah, it's pretty epic, for sure. That's abad also, the cargo had a movie which is very good. Do youknow why that movie was good? GW, no, enlighten me. It wasbecause this is the movie that had the Reggie Pokemon, and the ReggiePokmon was so funny in the movie. Okay, they weren't dead to becomedic, but they sounded hilarious. I was going to say it did haveto do with their voice. Yeah, I haven't you know ton of thepokemon movie, so maybe we should like have a watch party or something.You you gotta at least look up like Reggie ice in the movie. Itis so okay, man. Yeah, the only the only pokemon related moviememe that I know is my horn, is my sword. Yeah, thatone's good too, my hord sword. I watched them all with my friendsin college. They're honestly poke about us. Are Really Fun. Seem pretty bustedfor sure, Super Fun. Man. I love a POKMON say their names. That's just that rocks. Yeah, but a lot of them makes sense. And then, yeah, you get to some that just you know, they go off the rails, like they've run out of distinctive noises tomake and they just get kind of, kind of weird, you know,certainly in Jen five six, you know, you look starting to see that.You know, I feel like Jen one, like I'll made a lotof sense. Like bubblesore. You, everyone knows how bubblesore sounds. Youknow, everyone knows how you charmander sounds. But like how you know, whoknows what scrub sounds like? That's all I'm saying. You're just thisanti scrull brow. It should not be a pokemon. I like a scrub. Honestly, the more you hate scroll, the more fond I grow a scroll. Really, so that's actually all the scroll power in the universe residesbetween US exactly. Well, Morald, the story. Shoutout to the Cario, shout to the Cardo Gx, and wanted to give phrase to a fightingtype POKEMON that doesn't get to thrive in today's format, for sure. Solet's move into then, the Meta. I think it's a perfect shift.So obviously, with a void in the fighting type, there's one deck thatreally benefits from that and that's going to be the eternity stack. At turnedthis v Max with it's the true hundred seventy damage turned to every game,get zig zagoons or poison or you know whatever dark type you have in yourdeck box at the time. Yeah, honestly, straightforward. We talked aboutit a bunch a turn is powerful as ever. The other deck that reallysucceeded at full grip, even more so than it turn of this, gettingfive of the top eight spots, was atps option. So again we don'thave to go into what got us there. We know ATPS Oshu there's a coupleshifts that we've seen over the lists over time, but fundamentally the coreof the deck, alter creation, Gust, gust game is preserved. Yeah,so let's dive into those this one by one. We'll start with ATPSoption, because it saw more success JB. Why do you think at if?He's ash and was such a good pick for the full grip online series, and do you think that is sustainable going forward? Um, yes,I do. I do think it is sustainable going forward. I mean thiskind of the whole Meta in general feels like an endgame to the Meta asa whole, like, if we are looking at the two best decks,I think being, you know, a turn it and ATP, like that'spretty much the entire that was the entire metaphor this last tournament, and soI think, yeah, we're looking at kind of this. At least inthis one tournament, we saw what the...

...end game of this format could looklike, and that's scary. That's a little bit exciting, you know,certainly we're going to be getting in a new set here coming up maybe shakea few things up, but yes, it definitely revolves around this ATP anda turn said, what I like from the ATP list is that they aregoing very aggressive into gusting the list that one played for boss's order and eldergoststo recycle boss's order and a great catcher, so being able to gust up tosix times. You know, you're obviously not going to need that manygusts, but the fact that you have access to it as many times asyou do is great for that deck. And then we also saw another listthat has been floating around that Danny played at this tournament and that involved justkind of not even playing like disruption cards aside from amall while. I believehe played them all while. But but the biggest thing there was playing thefore gust and then the via the boss's orders and then for gusts via Pokemoncatcher. Yeah, it's a really kind to take advantage of gusting up thebench pokemon and, you know, going all in for that strategy, playingfor research as the only draw supporter and then playing a bunch of gusts anda bunch of dedenn A, like three to Deenn a acrobat, just tryingto get that stuff out and really going for broke on that strategy. Heended up going, I believe, for in too. Started out for Ohand you know, hit a couple of rough matchups there towards the end,but that would be where I would look for ATP to go in the future. Just having those guest options is absolutely enormous for the deck and I thinkit's got it. I mean it's here to stay. It was here tostay, but this tournament really showed like just how powerful ATP can be.I feel like we've had for the last you know, month or so ofthis format, like we've seen people kind of almost intentionally turn away from ATPbecause of, you know, this van atp movement or just they want totry something new and it. This tournament really showed me like, yes,ATP is just that's just powerful as it was and it's not going to goanywhere. And Yeah, it really should make up, you know, largeportion of the Meta game. Yeah, I even want to specifically call out, I like, the the Pokemon catcher list a lot. That's very similarto the kinds of engines I've been running an ATP. But ADP saw alot of success with very different structures. I mean the core of ATP there'sa lot of cards that preserve no matter what version of AP are playing.Yeah, but there was a lot of variation in like the minutia. SoMichael Zeee got second. He played crushing hammers. Daniel Tabila obviously playing thepokemon catchers, like you said. There's some they're playing turbo patches, thereare some that are playing, you know, just some more straightforward like boss's ordersand Marni kind of style, maybe leaning more into Zama Zenta. Soreally there's just so much going on with these ATP decks. And I meanit's just a testament to how strong the deck is if it can con seesucceed in so many ways that it's that people aren't agreeing yet on what isthe best way to play it while it's still winning tournaments. So I meanATP, obviously we we've said it a bunch of times. Very strong card, phenomenally powerful, and that was really just a case study and how goodit is. You know, people, I feel like we've gotten the theirrhetoric time and time again that, like, you know ATP. You know,how big of a deal is it really if it's not waiting tournaments,which a I think it's faulty logic, but be you know, we justprove that's not true. So yeah, sure, and and of course thiswas like you know, a cap tournament and you know there there could havebeen many different reasons that people chose ATP. Like, for instance, you know, maybe a lot of people thought...

...that a lot of other people wouldbring random decks, you know, and so they were like, okay,I just want to beat the random decks, so that's why I'm going to gowith ATP, you know. So it was a limited tournament to sixtyfour people and the sixty four people that registered first. So you know,certainly that has to be kind of a factor of like well, okay,if you're going to go to this tournament, what's just maybe a comfort pick ora pick that's going to do well against the field, and I think, you know, that certainly played into why so many people played ATP.But from my experience I haven't found ATP to have a good matchup against aturn it is, and I know that I was just watching. I wasjust watching, I'm in the POLKE's video, about a hundred games with ATP andI found that really fascinating because his results were drastically different from my resultswith the ATP versus a turn it this matchup, and so on his endhe found the ATP was significantly favored. On my end, I feel likea turn it this, while not significantly favorite, is favorite in that matchup, and so it's just been really interesting to see how, you know,you see that kind of play out in and of itself, and watching itunfold on the stream the other day was it was really nice. Yeah,I I personally think ATP has an edge and the matchup. Yeah, Ithink it more consistently does what it wants turned to. Then it turn itthis and the addition of catchers actually makes the gusting so much easier right between. If you have a combination of catchers and mobile that, I think you'repretty set for the matchup. Right, like because it got too energy attacker, you killed two crowbats. You have boss voters and Pokemon Catcher to doit. So right. Sure, and and of course there would be waysfor a turn it is to play around that, but it gets really hardwhen Crobat is the draw of your deck. So you know whether or not Ihit into you know whether or not it is a good matchup for ATP. You know, certainly I need to figure out a little bit more.Again, I may be hitting into the the variance. That gives me adifferent outcome and gives me a different opinion. But yeah, it's just it's interesting. I do think that a turn it is very strong deck. ATPvery strong deck, probably the two strongest decks in the format right now,and we absolutely saw that in the results. Now, the cool thing about theeternity is we also saw some variance. Yeah, just like we saw withATP lists, and abside the variance in eternity is came from whether ornot they played a poison style version with toxic croaks and dark cities and slowgrow be's and garbodors, or whether or not they played, you know,the the more consistent to and not maybe not even consistent, but the morestraightforward list. I guess it was Zixeguence and Scooba nuts. Yeah, andthat was that was interesting to see kind of play out, because both listdid do pretty well, but to see the poison list actually perform in thistournament, where I hadn't ever really seen it take up, you know,the higher placements in other tournaments, I was really cool to see. Yeah, so do you have any preferences yourself about what kind of lists you thinkis better? Do you think it depends on better game well, I've beenworking a lot with a player who played the poison list and he just reallyloves it, and I can see now why he does, because that poisondamage does add up over the course of the game and is pretty good inthe mirror, and that's kind of what I was looking for in a turneythis list is being able to hit those high numbers. And with a poisondeck, I mean you really can. You you can get up to thenumbers that you want to hit pretty reliably if you can get a couple oftoxic croaks out. So I'm going to mess a little bit more with thatvariant. And the poison, you know,...

...also has some reasonable use, andactually I mean not reasonable use, has very good use in some ofyour less than stellar matchups. So things like the sidy do I was abad matchup. But with the poison, you know you can do fifty damage, you know, per past sing of the turn, and that adds upinsanely quick you know, and same with something like Lucaro mell metal or anyother deck that would play, you know, a couple of these AMBA ZENTA's.You just get that poise and stuff and all of a sudden they're justracking up damage way faster than they can heal. So I think it's ait's a cool little inclusion that does actually shore up some of the bad matchupsfor etern it is. The downside would be, of course, you're tryingto set up more things. So if you go, you know, toxicCroak and garbodor, trying to set up three stage two's and that's a lotto ask for. But again, the reward can be very worth it.You think guard or is the superior poison engineto just running Galarian Slobra. Well, the thing about Slowbro is that it really only works after a knockout andyou know realistically you're only going to get one pokemon knocked out. So theslow bro is, I think, a necessity. I think you need tohave it, but I don't know that you can necessarily rely on it unlessyou're including, you know, potentially even more than six switchouts, like Imean I think was switching Dar city is if you play a heavy switch count. Yeah, but I mean you might even need like bird keeper like itreally it hasn't worked out when I've been playing the slow bro that it makesa lot of sense to have that double switch in hand or you just don'thave that, you know, with Marnie and reset stamp being, you know, as prominent as they have been, never really works out that way tohave the double switch when you absolutely need it. Well, so, ifyou play a decent amount dark city, just need one right now. Forsure. I feel like stadiums actually these kind of stick in this farmat yeah. Yeah, it's just something that I found from testing with a few differentpeople. Sure that it hasn't hasn't quite worked out. I think, youknow, you would need a couple of bird keepers and certainly the the switchesand certainly the dark city to make sure that you can have that double switchturn when you need it. Sure. So, whether any other decks thatyou found to be interesting or surprising up in the top ranks? Yeah,well, the Salmon's. I don't think we can go without mentioning Salamon's.Yeah, so Salomon was piloted by David the great third place. Very coollittle list here showing off what Salmons can do with the lightning and triple accelerationversion of the deck. So really strong list, very consistent. Utilize powerfulenergy and triple extyle and the lightnings of course, and you know, Iwasn't able to cast him at all. Didn't cast a game that he wasplaying in or playing, you know, with, so I didn't get tosee the deck in action. But seems like about as good of a listas you can make for this archetype and it's cool to see him do well. I heard that it had a pretty decent ATP matchup. That's sick.Yeah, I'll have to see more of that deck in action. I wasexcited to see it up there, though. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean,whether or not this archetype can succeed, I I doubt it. I meanI think David was you know, he did very well and I'm surehe was playing brilliantly, but whether or not he was expecting to do thatwell, I'm not sure. It's a list that I definitely want to tryout, though, because it certainly is, you know, a card that Ireally enjoy and I've kind of pictured Sunmon's being a little bit better withwelder, because it's a little bit more...

...sustainable than having to find a tripleacceleration every single turn. But at the same time, triple excel maybe isa little bit faster in the sense that you don't need to set up thisCombo to get going. So it'll be curious to see whether or not thislist can perform well again in the future. Yeah, for sure. Cool.Any other major showings that you want to shout out? We had acouple of deciduagoons players again. I think that deck is a pretty strong assumingthat you don't see a lot of a turn it is with poison. That'skind of the the killer there. You know, deciduagoons has a very strongmatchup against both a tarnityes and ATP assume you can get things out, youknow, assuming you don't dead draw on and brick. But that's a that'sa deck that I really enjoy in this format, especially being as kind ofpolarized as it is around those two top decks. You can try to bringout these counter strategies and I think that's one of the best counter decks rightnow. Yeah, really rough sentic scorch match up if you happen to runinto that, though. That's true. That's true, and and luckily,yeah, I was working with Ryan a little bit on his list and luckilyfor him he didn't play many sense scorching like you're saying earlier in the castor weren't really any sense to scorch in feel. I was really expecting acouple, man. I didn't play one and I did beat them. Yeah, you did, Bro I'm proud of you, but I was expecting Iwas expecting like a randomly, like a lot of side of scorches. Idon't know why. Me Too, me too, honestly, I was like, I was like, man, that could like a defintely be like,I feel sety scorch in the air. You know, it was Bruin.It wasn't actually brewing, though. It was quite sad. Well, cool, maybe maybe, in two weeks, maybe, maybe play and a Scourgyias I need this Rom mad party. So I think now was a perfecttime to open up two questions. If you all have any questions, willanswer a couple of them before we sign off for the day. As always, we appreciate your listenership and viewership. It means a lot to us andyour continued support is what allows us to keep making this podcast and gets hedeveloping our content with things such as the full grip series. Absolutely so I'Mgonna SCROLL UP Period. I thought there maybe was a couple of questions.Yeah, so we got a question. Why did the full grip tournament nothave a top cut? Yeah, addressing this a little bit earlier in thecast, but just trying to keep everything concise and and be very respectful ofpeople's time and just making sure that, you know, they know what they'regetting into. And I think on the flip side of that is like alsofor us as as the creators of this being and especially being the first tournament, we want to make sure that it runs on time, people get inand out and that there's no extraneous action happening that could delay the tournament orif there is, that it wouldn't, you know, affect the tournament toomuch that we couldn't still get the tournament done within a reasonable amount of time. And you know, you look at a lot of other online tournaments andcertainly you know this is not bad mouthing any other tournament at all, butyou've seen kind of technical difficulties in some of the other tournaments and that wasjust something that, you know, we wanted to avoid or if it didhappen, you know, it wouldn't be this kind of massive scale tournament thatwe'd have to kind of reinvent the wheel to to even finish it on thatday. So keeping the player number at a camp and eliminating a top cutnot only kept us within this kind of threehour goal limit, but it alsohelps to give the tournament a different feel. I think that was also something thatwe were going for with this tournament...

...series of of certainly again prizes onlinethat were that were good. They were great prizes, a lot of storecredit on the line that a lot of people were really looking forward to,but also making sure that it wasn't so high stakes that people felt intimidated bytrying to enter. For sure. Yeah, question from fireflame, fire, flamefire. Zero. Excuse me, is there a breakdown of the Metashare from the full gut tournament available? There is. Yeah, Natalie madea little graph. So if you follow her, she posted on twitter andthey're actually might also be one in the the discord for the tournament series.I haven't checked recently, but she certainly has not. Twitter awesome, sobe sure to check out Natalie's twitter and the full grip online series discord.Thank you all so much. As always, be sure to follow us on twitteras well. That's at smiles with frials, that NAT real John Walterand follow the streams. So that's Munn and flex daddy righteous on twitch andwe will be catching you all next time. I appreciate you as always. Peace. See You.

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