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Season 2, Episode 21 · 1 year ago

2-21. The Goblet of Players

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys sit down to analyze the Player's Cup. The culmination of a month of effort is finally here! What deck will stand on top?

How's it going everybody welcome backto tag team, the POKON trading card games, premeere podcasting duo. My nameis Raleih Holbert, join yet again by my good good friend, JW Creewall, J v. uhow you doing Toda Rolih, I'm doing great. How are You I am doing? Well Man,I gotta say I'm really tired. Today, okay, yeah, okay! Well, we'll keep itshort and sweet. It's nothing to do with my thoughts, wot the BAKCAF I justwoke up and I've been tired all day. You know you ever have the eyes I dohave th. I always think like something is wrong with me. Like my health orsomething or like I don't know just I something is wrong with my brain orsomething and now I'm in a downward spiral. Yeah this S, whatyou're domed,no yeah y right, like my life, will never be the same 'cause I woke up andI was tired and just as bad I'm kind of having the oppicproblem, though, where I'm waking up really really early yeah. I can't figure out Whi, like Iused to sleep for eight hours. Nine hours like if Icould like I was very consistent, iould wake up at a very consistent time rightabout eight o'clock, seven, thirty, eight and now I'm waking up at like sixsix thirty and I I've had like pretty much high energy th the whole day or atleast enough energy to give yoe through the day. So I don't know, what's goingon there yeah, I I always say that it's more about the cycle than it is aboutlike the quantity of sleep that you get right when you wake up like I, I wakeup pretty early on weekends, included, Um, and you know, if I, as long as I wakeup when I actually you know physically just a'm ready to wake up, then Iusually feel pretty rested right. It's it's on the alarm. Interrupts youmidway through your your life cycle that you get destroyed, oh for sure, for sure at least the by Erence. So did you doanything fun over the holiday weekend? No, we tried to stay as safe aspossible m trying to think about what Ann and I did if it's not ritnen downton. My calendar, it probably wasn't notable enough to speak aloud. Weplayed some games of terrforming Mars, we cooked a trifle. Well, it's notreally cooking, but it's a dessert. I guess we do have to cook. We Cook theAngel Food Cake, but a trifle is basically just I mean you know what atrifle is before our listeners. You don't know what a trifle is. It's adessert of many stacked layers, usually there's like a custard layer, and youknow probably some fruit and some kind of cake or something like that. Weended up using anciel food cake made it with strawberries. We put freshstrawberries, we put a lemon custard, we had a strawberry like compot that we put inthere and then we talpd there with whip cream, oss robberies. Quite the quitethe extravagant tracoal you end up making it I know. Are You calevating it?I have my own dessert. I made I made these cookies. They werechocolate, chip pickis like nothing, you know mind blowing, but uh. I did something called Browning thebutter or you like yeah I'll sit in in the Pan, and then yes, you put it inthe fridge and like let it resolidify Yam, and it makes like a different morelike nutty solution, yeah and then what it leads to is the cookies staylike really soft and Yummy um, even for like multiple days after baking them.So those were super good. I brought this in Um to the office and just setthem. I individually bagged them all and put them outside my office for Um,for, like my team members on the project that I'm running to Crea,that's great. I bet they loved him yeah yeah. They got good reviews, I'm hat ofcokes. Now nothing. We well tit's, probably good for your for your health,Yeah Yeah. I suppose so. We've been watching this show it'scalled final table on Netflix and the premise of the show is that there'spairs of chefs and they get together. You know there's maybe like ten orfifteen chefs pears that all get together and they have this cookingcompetition. But these are like not amateurs. They are, you know, worldrenown, Michelland Star, Chefs Uhu, and it's just been really interesting. Theycook a different cuisine every round and then one person gets voted off andI don't know, I think the production value is so high that I would justrecommend it to anyone, even if they're not like a food person or even if theydon't like food competitions. I think it's just been a good show. My wife andI have been really enjoying it. That's awesome. I've been, I finally caved andI started diving really deep into avatare the last apeter on Nes en fun.Have you never seen it? No, I I watched it as itwas coming out. I A oh e CAE O,but this is my first time like revisiting it and it's it's been reallyfun. It's it's a great show. It is a...

...very good show. Let's tha have intopoke, though so, for those of you who are unaware. The player's Cup is juston the horizon. Everyone who's fought hard over the the month of June, itsgetting their big payoff with the Players Cup invitational tournament Um, so that top two hundred and fifty sixplayers in North America are going to compete to get a top spot and get thatstipe in to one of the international championships. So for really coolevents, kind of the culmination of the effort for all those people who putthose tournament tickets in to to qualify, and so no doubt it's going tobe an exciting show still in the rebel clash format. So I don't think we'll see anything toogroundbreaking in the in the world of the MEDOW. But let's talk about what wethink that wl well end up looking like so we're coming off the limitlessinvitational where it ended up being that per to was. Itwas definitely the king finished in first and second, we got to countvariant with the veltaldom count, some other notable choices. For thattournament. There was a staldeck that made an appearance, Zashi and Cambostill showing Makeistrong, showing um a to the dismay of Zol that it he raninto a glitch. One point into the tournament: Yes, but I still think apowerful deck JW. What do you think coming off of limitlists is spiritumstill the main player heading into the players cou? Well, I don't think so,and the reason is because spiritum was primarily a counterchoice for the main decks, andso you look at a deck like m. You Know Pikaram, which spear too, absolutelyobliterates, N and Pekaramis. I still think a verygood choice for players in the playerscop and also performed wellpretty much across the board at every limitless. Qualifier yeah, among otheryou know, tournaments that were held online, but Spiritsim to me was theultimate counterchoice. It had a lot of texts that were specific to certainmatch. UPS that won the match up, but could be easily tecked against. Theprimary example is the black market yeah, and if players didn't play anykind of counterstadium in their Cambozation deck, then they just almostautomatically lost to that one single card so coming out of nowhere. That's areally good play right. If nobody's playing that in their COM stadium antheir conversation, then you play the black market and your spirit Soom, andyou get that match up like almost a free match up against the tear one decklike yes, you know, then that makes I strang choice. Now that everyone has figured out Spiritua. Is thiscounterplay? I think a lot of these decks will be a lot more prepared forit yeah. So I definitely agree w a lot of what you said there. I I also feellike just continuing on that VN WHY SPA o two might not be the best choices.These are. You know two hundred and fifty sixplayers that are competing and I expect them to be just very invested and Iexpect them to be Um. You know some of the better players are at least themost um invested in t e online met a game, and so I think Dragapolt willmake a big showing and so that- and I also really kind of hinder spirits Tom.To the point that I don't love Spiritam, I think it will. You know se play. Ijust don't think that it'll be I'll go to choice for a lot of players, yeah,and so I think, there's a lot of interesting points to digest there. UmFirst thing you call out is that it was sort of a surprise counterpict. I Ithink I largely agree with that, but I was thinking I was on my way to getlunch today. Um, and I was thinking about the fact that Kevin talked about stuff like exactlywhat you're saying, like the black market being countered by stadiums, Um and all sorts of other stuff that hehad mentioned like people tecking in you know, shuckles and special energyblocking Pokaman and other miscellaneous text, like evenblizzard town as a potential tex Um, I was trying to think what I could doto a deck to ruce up its spirit, a match up and the more I thought aboutit. I actually felt like there wasn't a ton that could realistically be done,that Spiritm couldn't keep up with Um and I'm sure you know what I mean bythat, but like Thsper toim could similarly tack for the tax a D and, ofcourse, you end up in like a somewhat odd firal, where the EERE yacing feeeach other in different ways. Sure so you know there's pushing pole there um by the ultimately. What I'm getting atis that I think spiritum is still a top...

...contender. One thing I think you call it. That's,I think, is more so troubeling for Spirito is that Jagapolt match up whenwe ha having on. He very clearly laid out like his path to wind, but he alsovery specifically specified that it was difficult, yeah and so having to dealwith a lot of dragopoll. It just seems exhausting if nothing else, yeah a- andI also worry about another match op for Spear Tomb and that's the a dpz matchupnow a DPZ I personally like it, I mean ADP Z versus comboseithere- are someintricacies there, but Adpz Woud aleast. For my for my testing right has a goodmatch of into eighty P spirits tohm. If you can play some big charm and there'ssome counterplay if the SPIRI teum plays a tool scrapper and you have bigcharm on your xation nd, you know there's some counterplay there, butgenerally speaking, if you're able to get the EDTP off, then you should winthe spirit too match up just because they struggle to take a one shot.Knockout. So like that's another deck that I see is is on up and up ad P,just kind of resurging back into relevancy. I think, because of a few reason that I think primarilybecause of kind of a shift away from hammers of the general metagame andDonohea, and so I I think spiritum now you know, has another kind of toughmatch up. That is a very good deck, as opposed to just you know, just havingdragapoltes like the tear. One kind of you know ify match up now you have aanother tear one ADP, Z deck. That's will give you problems and I thinkpersonally, for me. I think that Adpz is going to be a choice of a lot ofplayers yeah, so I think that's. That brings aninteresting point that I specifically wanted to touch on it as well ADPZversus Cambo Hachan. You specifically called out when you're talking there'sa lot of intricacies there, yeah yeah, I meaph, obviously like you- have tomake certain accommodation to make both in your playstyle and and yourmatch ups, to make the Cambosashian really effective. An an a DP Z hasother areas where it really really shines. In your opinion, which of thetwo is the better choice for this weekend, if I were playing, I would go with a DPZ, but I think we're just kind of splitting hairs at this point. It'sreally like what shade of blue would you like? Do you like, Serulian or navy?You know they both kind of feel like a similar flavor of the same dish toborrow a cooking reference, and so I I think they both have a lot ofmerits. Now I personally am more comfortable with Adpz, and again we aretalking about. A lot of decks are just generally shifting away from hammers.That might not be the case for the player's Cup at that's what we haveseen in the poression of the Madagane, and so you have an Apz and you can tech forthe convosation Matcha by playing either. You know two a big charm or tofrying pan, something that forces them to have to you know, go around Azashanyeah, and so, if you do that, then you knowthey have to have tool scrabper at the right time and there's that's the bigchallenge there, but ATPZ versa, zahion against the field. I think it's almosta wash. I don't really, I couldn't really say like. Oh, yes, this ADPCdefinitely has a better match up against this, as opposed to convosation.They both are just kind of that same flavor of taking the extarprises andusing xaution as a mainattacker. So you can't really, you know you're splittinghairs when you're saying Oh, yes, this match op is a lttle bit more favored orlittle less favorite. I I think they both kind of feel pretty similar yeah,at least in the absence of of crushing Cammer Iwu. Yes, yes, it, but then youknow, there's always again. It's that same idea where players might start toperceee that and maybe incorporate the cards like Crosse Camer, but then theAledes a cards like you ow the COMBOSACHENDEC being more successful,and you know it' well to an extent, I think, also if you are going to play aDP Z, you just throw in three crushing our three energy switch, because I'veBen I've been playing with them. The three energis switch, the higher count.I've been really trying to push that in kind of my testing and finding thatit's just it's not just useful in the first tern, but it's also useful in thelater turns, and again since ad P C is kind of coming back and we're lookingat a shift away from hammers. But since ADPD is coming back, then you want thathigh account of energy switch so that you can get the first turn ad p attackoff in the mirror, especially gon. Second Yeah exactly, and so I, like,the higher account you play three energy switch. It gives you a lot ofmobility. I've also really liked, in...

...terms of the ATP dexs that they can get by without playingGerachi, and that is those are the bills that I have really enjoyed. Theones that play a you know at least one tdenaprobably two and then an Elde Gothand then you're just kind of going for as fast as you can and then playing abunch of things like either acrobike or the order pad and just getting all yourstuff out as soon as you can, and not really caring about that Middl laygameyeah and with the advent of course, of Dagabolt it's harder and harder tojustify the space for multiple TRACHI Onyour port and a a AC to Al Ull time.Yes, exactly exactly so we're seeing them the decks being built in a way toaccommodate the kind of ex factor that DRAGOPOL has. We talked about it on thecast a lot in the past, where Dragopaul just has these kind of intangibles thatmake it this really good deck and one of the things that it does. Is it just snipes those set up hokmonreally really well, it makes playing down a Deraci, a real liability and, ifyou're playing a deck, that's focused Aron Garachi. There are times where youjust like you know. You really need to have one 'cause your hand is kind ofdead at the end of the game, but then you also know that playing it down ifyou're facing it against a dragopult, could literally mean you lose the gamejust by doing that. So I is that's a really interesting thing as well. Ithink going away from the Jrachi bilds of a DPZ is what we will see what I'vebeen liking and I think, just fares a little bit better in the drag pullmatcho yeah. So I think you and I are largelyon the same page- We're both pretty big Zashian fans, both pretty big eightypsAshin fans have been for a while now Um, I think it's Founda Nice foothold inthe storman. I L I'm a big fan of the cabosauching 'cause. I like the tempoof the deck ysure t'it's really fun to play, but I think es Autian brings likean extra level of consistency in its game plan that is hard to match withany other deck, but I think we've called out a specificdeck multiple times now and to the point where we have to specificallydelve into it, and that's of course, going to be the Dragon. Polt tack, like we've ventioned before Dragopole,puts a lot of pressure on the e spirit, tume decks, which the SPIRITUANDEX areputting a lot of pressure on unchecked Zashi index, and so there'slike obviously there's a somewhat of a triangle. I think xausiand probablyfears better againt, SPIRITU and Tanspirit to anfairs against checkof Poyeah right ight but Dragopol is is a huge deck. It'sbeen really popular at all the limiless events. It's just t e cool fun, Dackpeople love damage, spread, I loved Amveas pread. Do you think Xasshian is a top tearedchoice heading into this weekend and if so, why Dragopol or sorry Jagapol doyou think Jacopel remains a top to your choice heading in its weekend and if so,why? Yeah for sure I just think it'll be the play for a lot of the just. Ithink, generally, better players will play ten to shift towards dragopolts. Ifeel like it's the deck that just has the most skill involved interms of you know, Y: U R, you're placing damage counters, I mean so anytime you have that kind of choice on that kind of scale, you're going tohave players that play better ind players that play at worse. I thinksome of the biggest positives four dragopolds are very solid. Bleseflonmatchops has a really you know it has a decent time into Zaschan Cambodex and then can justreally kind o run almost every DAC kindo out of the field. It takes care alot of the rogue things it has good. You know Mashic ganst things like mill,and so I generally just see dragopultas like alongside peakram is like the safeplays for this tournament yeah, and something that I think is reallyinteresting about dex. Currently, if they really punish slow starts fromyour opponent yeah. So what I mean by that is, if you whip early on the SpiriTu deck, get a free turn of counters the EIGHTYP dex Gid a free attachment.The DAGOPOL tect put damage all over your board before you can do anything.So if I had to say one thing heading into players: SCOP, it's have aconsistent deck, yesthat's more important, I think, than tacking foryour matchups Becaese, even if you're teched for these various match ups,they get such a leap and bound ahead of you. If you happen to stumble yeah andthat's true, that's true for all it actually mentioned so far, and alsotrue for the other deck that you plugged slightly there an Pekarom. I tiron infavously, punishes you. If I,if you're slow to start yeah, I mean we talk about a consistentclock of ADP, but Pekram almost has just that more consisted. Claky you're,pretty much like if you're, if you're, not getting a turn to full bloots likesomething has gone, horribly, horribly...

...wrong, and so it puts a lot of pressureon it. We saw it. You know in I'll use the limitless for final standings, its kind of like ourbarometer for the Players Cup, and we just saw an insane amount of Pekrammaketop. Sixteen. It was six Pikram, I believe in the top of sixteen, which isjust pretty absurd. Now it didn't win, didn't make finals, but it had such astrong showing they just put. I mean it. It just says: Hey. Thisdeck is still very very relevant because it has all these toolsavailable to it and it's consistent and it can one shot and it can snipe thebench just a lot of things going forPegaramand, I expected to be the most play deck heading into the weekendsinteresting. So then you're saying you're putting a call to arms, then forthe spiritum players. I don't know called ours for Tha Y. AHI mean it's like, but then so spirit Tom, maybe M, if you're expecting tohit a lot of Peikaram and then like Blasephlon, also, if you're expectingYo to a lot O pegram- I I don't know quite Um, you know a lot of these decks, justkind of feel like like you're, throwing your hands up inthe air because they all just have this little like the margin, you're kind ofwinning in the margins in some of the AJIB, where I'm not really feeling like.Oh it's a hundrd, you know it's it's an auto win for one deck there are. Thereare certainly some match. Iething like Pgaramido Dragopol is very solidlyfavored for Pikaram, but a lot of these matcheps are kind of well. If you know,if they play this one card and they hit it at this right time, then they canwin the match up or whatever it is they. They feel a lot. You know of of Umacross the board, just even matchup. So it's hard to say like Oh, Yes, SindSpekeram is good. Then absolutely everyone shoul play spirit to him. It'shard to say that I think sure sure- and I think this met is relatively closeamongst the top teer decks Um, in my opinion, that and feel free to descentwith me here that top ter and I wouldn't faul she for playing any ofthem, would be asaushan variance, b, a combo and ADP. It Be Dagopol, BPKAROMspirtum and I think bell sepalon kind of fits itself just outside of thatthat range yeah yeah and I do like Blesuflon as a deck. I arly haven't said anything about anything negative about any of thesedecks. I I would stay away from something like ultimate me, too. That'sprobably not a deck just for for me that I would ever recommend somebody toplay, but I mean even a deck like Bol seflan Lik. I think that's a greatchoice or this tournament and you look ads. You can do things against your badmatcups. I mean you, you house, pegram, you know spirit tomb. It can be one um it just you know Iit's very close. They have a little bit more of a of a easier way to drum up attackers thanyou do, but it can be. You know you're both of these one prize diks and thenyou know something like combosation. You know: Ok, maybe potentially like adecent, decent matchup, depending on whether or not they can get out there,one prizor, and if you can get around it a dragopult there are some thingsyou can do with plasaplon into dragopolt. So like it's generally a badmatch. I think Forblou Aplon but n t not by much, I wouldn't say by a ton,but you can go cramaraaving O K, O early Crimr into a Dragopol, thenyou're generally out of an advantage. 'cause you're, just kind of forcing theaction when Dragapolt wants to just hold back for at least three turns tryto get a couple of DRAGOPOLP bilt up, yeah nd. So if you can force the earlycramarant on them, then you know the game changes a lot, there's yeah again, there's just likegenerally. The strategy is against these. A lot of these decks isvery um, YIT's, very close amongst tezer accnand maybe a little bit of a different strategy change or a different techhere and there at the right time can maybe win the game for you. So arethere any decks that you've seen either like on the frince or that as somewhatpopular within the rebel clash? Format that youthink are just not it that you shouldn't play this weekend Um and that you absolutely shouldn't playlike. I wouldn't look at anything mute to based to play this weekend. Ithink it's a little too botl. I wouldn't look at mail this weekend. I wouldn't look atlike firebox at all for this weekend. Um. Those are the three that really standout to me. Obstagood obstagoon, I don't like it. I don't think it's a bad play. I dothink that if spirtum is on the way out, then that's a good match for obstacnthat it loses sure. So I don't love that either. I would look at Obstagunasas like. If you...

...expect Pekaram to be big, I would hateto run into a lot of Pekram. As an obsticilne player, you can beat it it's not crazy, but it's just very,very difficult to get around the paralysis and the sniping and whateverelse that they play in you know and Pekram to kind of deal with with Obscunit's kind of like these soft counters that Pe Garon place. So I would just bescared to play obstagoon because you're going to face a lot of pekaron playersthat have probably played the deck. You know I mean that's like the oldeststeck that we have so everyone knows ow to playtkr and th. The play file isreally eveen the same H, entiredyeah yeah exactly so. I would just be scaredto to play that match up. If I were the obstecle player, sure yeah, thatmatchup is definitely togh and then you lose to dragopolt too yeah. So yeah, it's it's hard to recommend thatone yeah there's definitely definitely somedifficulties theare for the goons. Unfortunately, so I think we've assembled quite thearray of decks here, um. I I think she'd Nir, largely on the same pageabout that five or so decks that sit at the top. Let's talk about what weactually expect, though, do we expect thet Metar to be largely distributedbetween those? I personally think that Pekeram is probably going to be one ofif not the most popular decks. However, I'll put an astrs by that that the wefound that glitch wit thegr, not uinized, pecifically Bhut, there is acellech found with tag switch and there is a work around just a place lower,but you know I have to imagine that Glich is more well known than thelworkaround, and I wonder if that aload will causepeakerob to significantly lose a player base. I don't know, maybe maybe it could. Iwould say that the people that are really Um you know looking to play peegram haveprobably been playing it for a long time at least have a lot of experience withpe gramas like a primary deck. So I would think that those people, you knowwould be all caught up to date. You know on the the bug and like it wouldn't reallyface I so I get the s Oi te one sweet that announced how to get around thebug. What's that I feel like it's easy tomiss like the one tweed, that's out there, how to deal with the bug fairenough. Fairno I mean. Maybe POKAMAN has sent a letter out to the players. Idon't know I mean even that, like I don't know, I would be a little nervousto like egro because, like I just wouldn't want to randomly lose a gameecause that happned yeah. That would be really sad. I A as soon as all these bugs got kind ofannounced, like th the tag switch, but also, if you remember a couple of daysago, like the double supporter with the professors, I I'm a little nervous athow this player's Cup is going to go, not to take us too far off topic of theMedigane, but I'm a little bit nervous that, U I'm hoping that they don't likediscover a new bug y that Os, let's put a pen in bugs. For now, we can comeback. Til, like you know, Systemically Ho: What do we think of the Player CupYeah? What do you think of met? I think Nin an untouched world PKROM isprobably the most popular deck yeah yeah, I would put it. I would put it itabout, like twenty percent of the field like, I think it will be just thatpopular UM players aplay it. It's always been played it's the oldest deckin the format. We just got trainer kids, like anyone that didn't have it like,let's say, you're a player that had a lot of tickets, that grinded into thePlayers Cup, but maybe didn't, have a medadeck. You know you're, looking atwhat the play you got, this new battle kit that you could go and play PekrumUm, you know almost right off rip. You know I think it'll just be fifteen totwenty percent of the medagain yeah. I totally agree. Are there any otherdecks that you think will stand out? In particular, I mean we called out whatwe think are the best ex d. You think those all sit at like a similar rangeyeah I mean if you combine Zashin Variante, then you know then you'relooking at something that competes with Pegran, maybe in fifteen to twenty fivepercent a range, but you know if you're separating them. I would expect ad P tohave about ten percent in in the Cambo. To have you know, ten to fifteenpercent of the Meta game. Dragopole will be played, I think, bythe better players and well, you know I won't be played a Tine. I think it'llhave somewhere around. You know five to ten percent a little bit on the lowerside, and then you have kind of everything else like Blafalano expectto see about ten percent of the meadow and then spear Tom may be about fivepercent and then everything else in that last, whatever twenty five percentthats sure yeah ee's a Naptin math on that one. Somebody, let me know, leave a commenton the on the show, and let me know how close I was. I I largely agree withyour teering off there. I think togram will sit at the top Yo'll get sautionvarians occupyng around the same realm combined Y, a n, then you'llstaggerpretty much exactly how you...

...expect them to fall in terms of popularyeah exactly and some some maybe outsidedecks that maybe could perform. Well, I look at one being Lucario Mail, metal,that's been a deck, that's just kind of been around. It's always been justaround has just been around like. I would consider it ro just because it iskind of based around this counterstrategy and so look aurl mail,metal kin can go against, Pekram can beatconvosation and Dragapolt like those are the two matchops that it was reallydestined to perform. Well against. so that's another DEC that I would look atand say you know if, if somebody grinded in with Licario mail metal like,I would not be surprised at all yeah for sure. So let's then talk aboutthose clitches andsystemically about the players. Cop M we've called out forwhat feels way too long about the hesage, Yel client being relativelyfllawed yeand. Now we're at the point where there is actual money on the lineyep so to reekout some of the glitches we've seen so far, there's the one wecall hut with Pkaroun with tags which so for listeners. If you play a tag,switch in present day so early July, I, as twenty twenty. If you hapte belistening in the future, if you play a tag, switch and you happen to go to doan action before the animation on the tax, which is complete your game, justfreezes effectively and you're unable to do anything else, so yyeah Iwasyeah, you, you just have topass out or time out. I assume it. I only fol, don't remember it theLanonation, but I don't know if it like. If it comes back after like on yournext turn, no, I don't think Youd do anything ever. Oh, you, okay, yeah,that's so, b, yeah, it's so weird! So we've seen that we've seen the doublesupporter yeah and do you know what happens with that one? I think you haveto play a research first. I don't know quite the extent to that,but I think it's like you have to play research first and then you can playanother supporter. Do you think onanw'll do anything for that? One likeif people actively use that how do you? How do you work around that?I mean I guess that one's like a choice, yeah that'Syou, can actively decidewhether or not U Yeah. That one seems like that. One seems like an email getssent out and they say hey. If you're caught double supportering, then you'reeliminated from the tournament. That one seems like a pretty easy one:'cause I'll have judges and they can look at the game log. I think it'sstill counted in the Gamelog, so I woul have aaone should be pretty easy and then there's also, I don't quiteknow if they've fixd this yet but they're, at least in the past. There'sbeen you know the metal frying, Pan, Urch Cuson, not metal, Fran, Pan MetalGoggles. They did fix the Gogles, they did fix the goggles okay, but just adocument that there have been a few other buks and there's probably somemore bugs that we Sall haven't figure there as yeah Thezamazenta into theblack market yeah, so contects there, black market, you need to have a darkenergy on your Po Amond to prerent them iyes from being taken Sam asent toremove special energy. So if that dark energy happens to be a rainbow, the wayit should work is Thezama that they should attack the effect IV. Its attackshould activate discarding the rainbow and then t knockout check happens aftereffects of attacks Yo k, O you should have no energy on the Pokaman at thetime I takout check, and I I just don't think like tha, the lient really hasthose phases to be. Yes, like there's actual steps that you're supposed totake when you attack- and I don't think the client actually thinks about thosesteps, so it just kind of does it all at once, and then so it's like knocked out andthe energies aevieved at the same time. So it does the check, while the energyis still on it. It's it's bizarre, but that that is decided games in recenthistory, exactly yeah you're, so right, you're,so right. So I'm really hoping for, for everyone'ssake, that this is a very smooth event. But there are kind of these littleindicators that I miht Nago as smooth as we wanted to, and am really hopingthat you know as it's the first event Um four pokmon that that either it goesvery smoothly or it doesn't, and it's like a huge wake up call if it alreadyhasn't been that something maybe more resources need to be need tobe siphened into this, because we probably won't have organized play for at least the rest ofthis year, and I I couldn't see it happening m. You know, at least in thefirst half of twenty twenty one, so I just hope that things get solved withthe with the online client and that these bugs can get fixed really quicklyand effectively and that more resources...

...are put into the online game. 'cause.As we've seen, it's been very popular, I I would say I mean had a lot ofentrance. A lot of people are working towards this and Um. It could be areally great thing. Yeah and I- and we don't say this out of like a lack oflove. Righ like we want to the game, succeed and be the best it can be. Soit's unfortunate that in my mind, it's not at that state. Yet you know weare't. yes, we can't be quite yet yeah yeah well, and then you look at justhow much is on the line like we're, talking thousand Oultipl, multiplethousands of dollars. You know fifteen hundred dollars or whatever it is it'slike that is just you don't Wan to be trying to get into the top four H, andthen you play a taxswitch and you, you know, do another animation too quickly,like it's just that that would just be such a heardbreaking way to to go out.I hope it doesn't en like that. So I I sincerely hope that everyone has cleanfun games in the Players Cup. I'm excited to see how it pans out. I hopethat we don't have anything so impactable that it drastically changesthe results of the event in the event that we do, I I hope, ThaJS, right and and serving service S Wak. U Call that we need to have more activeengagement with our development and make sure that the game is functional.You know that that's just the nice lay we can put it that it's functional tothe standards that it should be right, and you know we can't expect pureperfection like obviously any any sort of gaming client is going to have bugs right. That's just that's just thenature of the bease, but wer can do our best to minimize them and actively beengaged with our development teams to make sure they're eliminated as quicklyas possible, especially if there's something that has a significant impacton the game. So I absolutely see more resourcesthere going forward, absolutely and and really I I can't ise enough,though I hope everyone has a great time with the players cop who's playing you,you did earn it, no matter what people say. No matter what trash people talklike you, Wa Effortn, you earn that position in the players cop. I hopethat you picked the doct that you personally enjoy. For me, that would beAASHEINDECK forw. That sounds like it also be, is Ah Index Um and you justDon'you play your heart out. Ma'am like yeah. Absolutely this is a really. Thisis a really cool thing. It'll be just very interesting to see the results and,like Riley said, I wish everyone that plays in the Players Cup, like all thebest. I hope you have just a great phenomenal experience. I hope thatPogaman, you know just runs up very smooth event. I'm sure that they will.I I H ve hope in that, and I just enjoy it because, yes, like Rae, said you putin the work, you did your time you played by the rules and you're gonna.You know potentially get this reward and so just enjoy. It have a great timeand playerbest yeah yeah, and I I hope that fo emo does more stuff like this'cause. You know they announce our season, but, like we talk thut lastweek, et's what is realistically Yeah Hossible for a season yeah. Atleast you know in it graned and I come with the biased blenes of the UnitedStates, where Cov en niteen is just a mess right now and continuing to getworse. Yes, yes, you know, maybe in Europe they could fesibly holdtournaments, but certainly not in the United States of America for the perceiable future. That's right!YFOR othe want la M, which it KINDOF sucks man. I I really want to theoldest play physical cards yeah. It does really suck I' E. I've beenmissing it recently. I've been playing in the old pocastats retro formats, andI've been having a great time, but it just gets me fired up to play. You know ir l competitions. Is thereeveto format that Youve particularly enjoyed? Well? This is my first one,I'm doing the breakthrough to Crimson Invasions, so this is deciduize orksylvion, stal, Gardof, Vorark, Greniga buzzwle liken rock or like rockor well. So the problem is that I would have played pod, but you have to gopast past on your first turns, so you can't make use of WINPAD's retreat. Oh what yeah yeah so so, because thejust the R 'cause you can't have like recro format rules. You can't changethe rules sof. The G so like the rules back then are different than what theyare now. So in order to try to matigate that you have to go past past for theopening turn so that the first person coan play a supporter and then it justit's a little compl ohw yeah. I ID't en think about that having an impact onwin, yeah yeah. So then you can't retreat because sometimes you you knowa lot of times. Actually you would like to retreat. That is pommer. You still got to Di Raq.I guess you do you do you do, but I...

...played I'm playing Zoric Gardiware yeah,that's a fun day. I mean imagine not playing puzzles. AORMA yeah, I couldn't see. I coudn'tse puzzles are what a crazy card I know I know I was just reminded. LikeI hadn't touched these cards in two years and just getting back to playingthis format, it was a lot of fun. I didn't play a ton back then, like I wasworking during that time period, but I definitely still like was caught upwith all the intheir nationals and still try to do some local events, andI just yeah they had so findid with the puzzles and you get back all theseaambos and so a Playli O kno hards and reliablyplay them like once or twice or three times in a game. You're telling me man, you're tellingme L A REASONA, Lo e, that's right, WASO TIING! What a classic is there anyformat that you'd love to revisit? Is there one that sticks out to you? Well,I'd like to go back to. I think it was twenty thirteen Fourwayne regionals format, because Ihad the best deck of ND, Poleon Roseraid, recycle and I didn't win thetournament and I I was very sure that I w that I would have won the turnament,because I had good matches against the dark desks which there's like dark ehydrogon there. As like just stray dark, there was ho o, you know, which is agood match of 'cause. You got a water attacker, um there's, you know just alot of good matches for my umpoling had deck that Icreated that I never got the chance to showcase 'cause back then it was a. Itwas a bracket style top thirty two and I ended up facing an o K. matchup likea pretty favorable match up, but then had a very bad starter. All three games,Ohno coud and then I had bad luck at the end of game three and it's a wholething, but I won't go into it anymore, but I would like to revisit that Formakto prove that I had the best well. I hope you can get thatopportunity. One day S Great. Thankfully, it JS y should havethat whole era of cours, so yeah exactly so there, maybe maybe wherethere's a will there's a way. There certainly is I mean you coald host ityourself, you've been doing your tournaments Ta Yeah. I have yeah,that's a good plug for these tournaments. I've been runningtournaments for the last couple of months over my discord, so if you arenot in the discord and you would like to play tournaments, I just follow meon toeter. I think it's in the witerbio or it's in outube, foul meat. You tothat calm. Slash, flexed, Daddy, righteous, been doing a lot of videos recently just about differentdifferent products that have been coming out, and you know these retroformats have been really fine to play. I think they offer a lot of insightinto just how I think about match Shups, Ithink they've been early Val, like I've been going back and watching them again,and it's kind of the mindset that I have during these Games is, I think,really valuable even to a person that isn't planning on playing this format,but a lot of things you can learn like, for instance, the last round that Iplayed was really interesting, because I played against a deck that I wasn't too familiar withand sylbionstall and when we were first playing, I didn't know that he wasplaying Sylvie Anstall, so I made some mistakes in my gameplay and then it'slike kind of I I go over how you know you can learn about a match up in thefirst game and then come back and change your strategy up for games twoand three, and that's just a really interesting thing. I think that wouldbenefit a lot of players. So that's awesome, yeah, yeah, very sick, so I Ithink we've reached a good point to to start opening up the chat h if youallhave any questions. Beet about the current metor, the Players Cup or anyof these pastformance or general thoughts about poke now i's a good timeto ask. I see one in the chat here count the money, as is Pekram, going tobe good, post rotation. FRENTHATES, please say no couldn't see it. I think the loss of they lose a lot of things, but the lossof the electropower is going to be a big big hit for Pikram. Just becauseit's going to be it's going. Ta Rely on Bullton to get the one shots which notsaying that Bollton can't do it, but it just takes all this energy attached todo it. So I I don't think pegram's going to survive allright. Certainly Imean it literally cannot survive in its current sty, but I I don't think it'llbe. Even you know a Tartwo. It might be a tear two deck post rotation yeah. Mymy guess is that it'll probably fall down very significantly electr powerbeing the main. The main reason take. Arond really needs it to get thenumbers that keeps it out. I here one DAC yeah 'cause what make Peo Ron sogood? Is it inconsistently...

...one to two hi Cao everything in theformat, so full blitz for one fifty just isn't as impressive as you know,doing all sorts of crazy math right I mean it's crazy. How that tend damagewe talk little bit about magic numbers and magic numbers here for Pegram isone sixty. It plays an Electri power, so now it can hit one eighty Siak andone shot like a dedene and eldegoth. Those are very relevant pokeman to beable to once shot on the on the you know, oponits bench and and just that ten damage.Difference like we're. We're not talking about a lot here, but thats tendamaged difference, as I think, what's going to be the gaykeeper for Pekaramlike if you could do one sixty, you might have a you might have a thought that okay,well, you can Tushaj a lot of the venaxes Um, you know, and then you can just make itwork. Eventually, you'll get enough energy on the board. You can get a bollton go going, but it just doesn't. Look that way M at one fifty and losing thedamage boost. You could do something like with the vitality band, but I I just couldn't I don't know I getscrapped between turns if you're relying on one sixty twice or two ACU-and you know R, like Tagol so thing, and so you know, pegera probably isn'twiped off the TAT, but I thinkcausecause mew as gone. I believe, no, it's no! No NLUES knockon. You gave it after begerubs, oh you're, right, you're, right H. Yes,sorry, Soyeah, you're right so biger ov is here than for sure vew yeah, okay,yeah Getbouti, Yeahyeah, yeah yeah. I don't know. I think what keepsSeperot really relevant, though, is that it can do a lot of first damagewith those electric powers so losing that you might as well s play like amore straightforward like boltunvariant or some other like electric Jack, thatcan hit those weaknesses, but also has some more nissuses like the viawolright right. Exactly. We have one here hyped on intellion VEMAC. Yes, I really like an tellion w te Samtatn,a everything they poentially slow down a little bit, and I think that isexactly what it's telling Ond needs. What about Doub O welder reerings ollyflying then double well, there's such a cool deckto emerge from the last Sunday open. I mean I don't know who I mean. I created thatDEX so yeah, I know it's a good dack yeah, you didn't Create Double Welter O.I did that's not sue name, someone who had a you to video about it before me.I ou to video- maybe not, but I know for sure you didn't create the idea Ra.What do you think who do you think created the idea ave I created on my own? Did I createthe idea rightyouoer like that guy, like that guy on switter, who said thathe invented the frakanside monster? Did you see that no, I didN'tthis subtotarthreat about how like the author of Frankinstein should be. You know watded,because she was a a female author who created a long standing like horror,staple creature. Okay, this random dude comes up and he's like. Well, actually,before I even heard of the fraken Dioner, I came up with the same thing sand that was written in like the eighteen hundredit's like I guess you also lived. You lived in aworld where there was postprangin Siie onsters, like you, wers, probablysuddenly, influenced by the culture right right. That's funny! Sogooy,that's really funny. Will control survive and how might it change? I doescontrol even really lose a lot from rotation. I don't be. I mean I don't believe so.I believe I need to go. Look up like yeah. I need to go. LOOK UP THE EXACTCARDS YEAH! It's I wan to say that control survival will just be pred. Imean control loses a Ranaro yeah. I guess it does M Artic and Ogx as well HM yeah. Withouta ranger, you probably are Ar Donzo with typical controllist. I think Y'itill probably see a shift back to wall control of anything M. If we come outwith cards that can faciliate that so something yeah Ti Idry base yeah, something like Siduy,whob Kindof like etgoing back to Hoopa, Kinda, dacks, Um Yeah. I can't believe forgot Ho um, but more like Houpa stal, Dek m, alsostuff, like the stone Jurner Vmax, that its like half control, half attacker,where it's like really tanky and just survives and sure how Wayeai bount ityeah exactly and then getting the new Thi. It's like reverse strong energyyeah. I I forget what it's called t's like yeah stone, an strong stone energy.Maybe that sounds about rigt stone, tough energies...

...ticket. I I really I'm a big fan of thenew special energy that it's interesting to seet of Metal Energytrademark effect, pretty much be put on a fighting energy yeah right I'mall. These new specials arevery interesting yeah. I like them a lot for sure samehere. What else we got shat, I'm excited tosee what the future brings and that not just rotation. But I think this era of Pokoman has beeninteresting. I've liked the car design a lot. I it's been fun to see sure and I hope we get to collaborally.I hope you want to like play some more online stuff, so we can make some deckstogether. Yeah Yeah I've been struggling. Theylike build up the motivation to playing the online things. I was talking to afriend about this, the other day yeah and not really for any particularreason. Like I still love pokemind like I still will like play solitaire hands of like physical decks.But yes like something about these online things, just not scratching myitch, and I don't know how I can how I can get you to to scratch that Atgesohithat has been interested Wi thoug is my friends have started cubing in tabletop simulator, yes, which that act. That sounds fun. Yes, absolutely so, maybe maybe I'll have toupload. I cepe of my ownor Ip load like Andrews, Ceinto, the Oh yeah. Let tAndres Cube and put in one reshisard yeah. The only way to play it last question of the day from count tomoney. If and when would any ban sus changes beannounced for expanded? Sowhat kind of things do we think we woulde ban? I think scoop? U Nat! Shameane x, like I think the usual suspects M, Trevdoir,good contender, Gan, garmen, good contender, Ye uh, the Um milotic alotic, yeah Ik. would be agood one too tin, yourtelf asking what solitaire hands just like playing outthe the deck as if there was an opponent there, usually usually, what Ido is I'll, just like shuffle out the deck and play it and I'll assume theworst possible thing happens to me every single ter and see if I could do something aboutit. So, like one of the maindacks I a sleepd upright now is just my sral axtack from Colinville, and so you know ill gets todo. ODO and I'll get parallel city very now, and then right yeah, so just going back to Dan. Whenwould we expect expanded ANS TO BE ANNOUNCED? I don't foresee pokamandoing and expanded format online tournament, although I obviously haveno insider information, if they did do an expanded tournament, I would expectthere to be bands before that yeah. I would guess the Wend is just predicatedon when the first, like teer, two sanctioned expanded that exactly yeah. So youmight get some crazy leat challenges, though one day Preban, that's true, so I guess you could sneak that in. Ifyou that's right, Sirci, so very good guys. Thank you again for listening to nights. We had just agreat chat about the metagame and what to expect for the Players Cup, and itwas just a really great time having you please make sure if you're not alreadyfollow Ryley here, leave us a comment. If you're listening on spottify or Itunes- and we have just been- I'm really proud. Rali we've just been themost consistent Tagteam. You know duo here in the game for like the last twoyears, and that's just really really great. I'm very proud of our work. MeToo man so be sure to check everyone out on our respective social medias, onsmiles of Irals on twitter and we God real John Wulter onswutter and of Corseae switch channel flexaddy riches. All Si you tube JW's, going to be streamingthree days a week. STILL THAT'S RIGHT! Three days a week does an awesome job. I've alwaysthought Yo. Have you had a knack for streaming, which is the whole reason westarted this in the first place. With that I will catch you all nexttime. Peace See it.

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