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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 18 · 11 months ago

3-18. Goodbye 2020!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back for the last time in 2020- ready to review the hot-off-the-presses ADP ban by Limitless and discuss how the year went overall. Come check it out!

You what ies up guys welcong to the TAGteam podcast the POKMON trading card games. For me, your podcasting duo, myname is Riley Holbert joine, as always by my good good friend, JW Cree Wall Gwhas a hanger. Today, it's hanged pretty well Riley just having a couple of days.You know well more, like a week with my wife just hanging out doing the thingsthat we like to do. PLAYBOARD Games Watch. You know, films for sure. Do, Bible Studies, I don'tknow just a lot of a lot of good time- has been spent these last couple ofweeks. So how about you? What's going on with you? I know you were a littlebit of a workaholic last night yeah. I wasjust trying to get a lot of stuff done before the New Year because we haveyeah like development, Dha lines that are coming up, Om, so iwor pretty lateEsterday, but I work I had all of last week off,which was really nice, and I have the rest of this week off, which is nice, so you know kind of getting some restin there to make up for it yeah it's kind of it's kind of funny that youknow, we've been so consistent and then last week we had talked about. You knowwell be back or two weeks ago, we're like back at the same time same place,and then we were not and then also again this week we are delayed, it's just very funny how consistent wecan be and then and then right at the end of the year, we kind of like tripup at the finish line, but still every single Thursday, you encount ther beingan episode. No, that's, I think, that's still something to spee for absolutely. So how is your Christmas mand? You getanything fun or exciting. I'm not particularly the older! You get, Ithink, the less you should expect yeah. That goes without saying, and you knowit seems to be pretty frequently that I'll get some type of sock or some typeof underwear, and this year was no different. Tid Get a hair of socks frommy parents in law. The funny thing was that I was also getting like. I got like a bar soap, which was like adesigner bar of soap. So I'm not very nice, I'm not mad about it. It's just.You know it's kind of interesting to see the progression kind of fix up yoursmell a little bit. Well, that's I know I was like hey. I need to like not takeoffence to this, because I'm sure that they I'm sure that there's no ulteriormeaning behind this yeah. So I got a bar soap. Let's see, Igot the. I guess the biggest thing, the best thing that I did get, which wasn'tactually an intended Christmas gift, but at my parents, inlaw's house they had thisold xbox that had not been used as Nexbox threed n sixty its like hadn'tbeen used. Apparently it was like a gift at a car dealership or somethingwhere you know you buy a car and they give you. You know some prize, you spinthe wheel or something they give you a price. So they had this xbex e sixtyhad really been played had been signed into, like maybe one time to create aprofile, and it was just sitting down in their basement, and you know I found it. I was like hey: isanyone using this and Thiy'r like? No, you can have it, and so I guess thatwould be my that's gift. That's Ki tended for me so yeah I was able topick up some games the other day pick the skyroom, so I'm Goinna go enjoy that probably later today,sassins screed to is on sixty as Ol thei name is really good as fall islike my favorite assassments credame. I think okay yeah, because, as somebodythat's, never I've never owned an xbox and my limited interaction with Xboxhas been primarily through sports games, Saraf, yeah and NHL, and things likethat. So do you have any recommendations? You said, assassinscreed to again I don't have any experience with you know the elderscrolls or the the assassens creeds or the Gods of war, or anything like that.A God of war is on the place. Thatatpsto, I'm thinking, Yeoh gears ofwar, maybe hear's o wars on the ICEFOX. I've never played the gears of WorkGames. I ont. I only had the thee nd sixty out of all the xboxes Om, but Iprimarily I used it as like a modern warfare machine which isn't really you know, there's no online for it now,so it doesn't really make sense, but thats I creede was a really good game.I played the final fanasty game. The final fanacy thirteen was pretty fun. There's a couple other games. TheConnect Games are actually really fun, but you need to connect to do that. Yeah kind of not feeling that, but theyare fine. If you like, if you enjoy like the H, we kind of just dance stuffconnect versions are like better versions of that sure sure that's awesome. What did you get rading? Not a lot either. You know it just likeyou. You know geting little trickes for my parents and that's just enough totake me happy. They did find me some of those megat constructs...

...like pokemon sets, which is kind ofcool, so they got me like a larger Peaka Chuset, and then they got me asmaller set, which was like a collection of smaller Prokemon, butthey ech came in a poke ball and it was like thereas one at a great ball. Therewas one of he luxury ball, there's one in Poki Ball. Obviously I s that waspretty cool. Okay. I, like the Poky, ball S, probably the best out of it,because it was like really neat to have all the different poky balls sure soother than that. That you know Jut's pretty is like standard. Fair got abunch of clothes this year bit for those Yo Aren', where, like I've,been trying to bulk up a lot the past year. So it's like, I don't fit as wellinto the smalls that I used to wear, I'm more o like a medium or a large now,depending on the brand. So a lot of the Li'm like trying to revatmy worjobe very slowly, because it's very expensive to trevamp your porjop, so my parents kind of gave me a Lilestimulas package there. They got me some spetchirs and some on. That'sthat's really nice, yeah and and it's it could be kind of tough, also buying for yourself, because at leastfor me, I'm always second guessing whether or not I actually like thepurchase that I'm making and so to just have been gifted something. Yeahyou know it takes all thatguesswork out of like do. I actually really enjoy this. I not you know yeahfor sure, I'm definitely pretty fregal myself. I have to like feel prettyhapping something to buy it right, exactly exactly but overall successfulChristmas and, of course, hist Y O tank time. People who matter is always agood a good. Far Speaking of Christmas, I wanted to takea quick second here. If you are listening to this and is still Thursday,the thirty first of two thousand and twenty, you still have time to enterOrgiv away here for the Isashian V, battledeck plus the trainertool. Kid, though, if you haven't entered et, be sure to go to twittercheck out tag, team, Pokemon and rece weet and, like that sweet there, so youcan be entered into the giveaway it's a free to entor. Give way all you have toenter do is give you reaseat and like and follow, and we're excited to give this out. Soand this end the night, the thirty first at midnight Eastern, get youredies in now. It should be great for someone that maybe has played a lotonline, but maybe doesn't have you know the inperson cards yet is looking tomaybe a play in person. If they have a store, that's running, you know inperson, events or if they're you know just playing around the house. So itshould be a great little thing for those that you know maybe play online alot, but don't really have the cards for current standard yeah and a lot ofthese cards should be ones that are pretty like sustainable long term aswell. Even if you don't get out plan for a while, Zachian obviously will bea staple and standard for yours to come. The Dena will be a state bollingspanded fears to come, ATP, probably as well ll, be the staple and expanded. Sodefinitely you want to get your hands on these yeah, absolutely and speaking of ADP perfect transition over inte next topic. Today, Livit listfinally took the plungew th. They did. It's been a very interesting last week,where limitless announced that they would be officially, at least for the forseeblefuture banning ADP from any of their events yeah, and so, if you've been listeningto the podcast for a while, you know that ADP being banned has been kind ofa discussion point ever since rotation. You know it's alittle reallychampioning that movement early on into the format, but still to an ongoingdiscussion. This entire time here and Limmelis finally said Hey, let's,let's try it out, and so they announce Tatey what happens for a month cominghere that they're going to have ATP band in their events, and it's going tobe like a trial run and from there. If it is largely successful, they maybewill continue to ban it or if it's fity unsuccessful, they'll take it away.They had a really great writeup kind of explaining their decision. I think itgoes over like a lot of the talking points that we've had in a podcast, andyou know you seen over twitter, but it was really eloquently put Thou if you're unfamiliar with some ofthe logic there. I recommend checking it out. It's really centers around. Youknow how does ATP INTERACT WITH THE FORMAT? What kind of games does it have and it makes a lot of sense in on paperso w? What are your thoughts around thisband? Here I mean this is a pretty big deal. Aphas been the most populardecade, pretty much every event since the format started. Yeah and I meanwe're seeing a slight shift away from it recently, but it certainly has beenan absolute force pretty much the entirety of this format. Like you said,I would expect not a ton to change early on. I mean you still look at adeck like Pikeram, you know blesephlon atturnitis, allbeing those kinds of decks that can...

...really hold their own pretty muchagainst anything. So I honestly, like my initial impression, is that itprobably doesn't shake things up too much just becauseof how strong and powerful those decks are, and the fact that a lot of those decks can go fairlytototo with one prizor. So, for instance, if you're playing aninternitis teck, you know you have the option to put in an elevated spiritumcount or an elevated. You know eveltal count right so, where you're going tobe a little bit more easily able to trade into the one prizeor Sech, your opponent mightplay right and then, if they're not playing something fighting, then youknow. Presumably your turniis could take to maybe three knockouts beforethat one prize deck. Could you know knock you out in response, so I andthen peekerom. You look at it with the with the tag bolt being very good atkind of disrupting the opponent, if they're playing some kind of evolutionor one prize deck, I just don't see it making like a hugeimpact, certainly early on. I think people will stay with kind of what theyknow and then it'll be interesting to see how it does change and ivolve. Ijust would suspect that I would my initial hunch is just that:There's not going to be a huge, huge difference between a format with ATP ina format without ATP, just because of how good the other decks are ar that aren't. You know named ADP forsure yeah I mean it's. Definitely it's tough right, because the other decksthat are already met, ot are so powerful, yeah, it's not like those aregoing away and all of a sudden you're going to be able to play whatever rodedeck you want that has horrible matchups against anyof those decks yeah, so yeah. I agree that to an extent I thought it wasreally interesting. You know we had a couple months back. We had the onetournament or ATPA SBAND or like a couple of tournaments, and it wasalways some wacky deck that ended up winning. There was, like mad party,ended up pointing at one. Santa Conda ended up wenning it once, but I almost feel like that was aproduct of just the fact Itas a one time thing, so people wanted to playsomething goofy almost that they thought lost to ATP and specifically,I'm thinking of like Sana Cona. Mad Party are kind of decks that have alittle bit of a rougher time against ATP, especially at the way mad partywas built at the time that you know. I don't really know. Ifthere's success is sustainable, W Sanda Kando relies and getting a stage to hemAy on turn to yeah or you lose, and mad party is obviously got justsome inherent inconsistencies. It is very fun, of course, anright prettypowerful in thes grand scheme of things, but I don't know it just felt like thosewere almost more responding to the fact that AP wasbanned and just wanted to people want to try out their new stuff while theycould Asur course. I feel like almost inverse to it. You said I think peoplewill early on try and do new things as much as possible, but then, when theyfind out, like the tried and true, is still what' successful, they'll end uplike gravitating towards that more okay, okay yeah, I mean, I suppose it kind ofyeah digs into like what people psyches what people are feeling I've just ohave been noticing a trend of players right now. You know where you knowyou're saying well, maybe earlier in the format ATP was the most played. Imean if we look at some of the most recent tournaments Y, it's more likePikarom Atternitis, even Lucario mal metal are some of the most played decksright now, as opposed to ATP. So I think you know just on that alone, likepeople are already shifting away from ADP and that mindset there, and so I guess that's two different ways ofcoming about the same problem. Right where it's like what is going to happen,I suppose one of us will be right so we'll have o see who it is, but yeah,it's certainly an interesting kind of proposition here to just take it out ofthe format entirely. I know a lot of people are kind of shifting away fromit, but to just take it out of the forman entirely and posing it back to you Riley. What doyou think are some of the decks that are maybe inhibited so much by the factthat ATP exists that when it gets removed from the format, they canreally thrive. Sure. So I think primarily, we have to look at slowerstrategies and one prize tex as like the two groups of depts to look at sowhen I think of slower strategies controlled exor. Obviously one thatsprings to mind. You know decks that are trying to Plou through Er Hole,deck and use. EXCA, drill or ou know some other means of disrupting youropponent continuously. Those can't really deal with ATP, I guess evenseeking is a det tat, will struggle in the face of ATP right, but you knowprimarily I'm thinking et more, like exca drill and scoop up neck kind of focus tacks. I think those actuallymight be able to find a niche for themselves. They're, definitely reallygood against eternitis. I don't know how they'll fair against PGEROM, HavygMeta sure, and I almost...

...it's almost interesting because deckslike Nacana, just you know going further on to left field, are prettygood at dealing with those kind of control dacts because they cancontinually focycle and move around their energies. So you know it kind. It's almost likewhat is the end game here is, you know, isSanta Kandi and a come up, because people are playing control dack. Idon't really think so, but you know something worth thinking about yeah, soI think that's probably going to be the one of the main benefactors, because Ithink it has okay matchups against some of the some of the field in general.These control strategies, but it really can't keep up with ATP in most games,sow. I think I'm excited to see if anything can come out of that. You knowI'm sure, like sander bit standeris going to come up with something crazy, but who knows, and then the other archetype ofstrategy is going to be just like more one prize attacking kind of strategies. You know we've seen people try and playstuff like Spir Tum, with capes early on in the format and thinking that wasreally good. I hesitate to say that I think that hassustainable long term success, because tool scrapper really really is harmful to the SPIRITT shaitysure. So I I don't know spear Tumes the deck ofchoice for one frizers and really, I feel like the best one prizeis ingeneral ore. The aret, like the ones that are alreadybeing played soSephalon, is already like such a solid strategy in general, and people arereally I feel like at this point. People are really like griny down atoptimizing, how you should be playing with Stuf Alin like Kno, Justin TeFramorat counts and the three prize accounts even yeah. So you know Ihesitate to say that on the one prize front, people things will be toodisrupted. I think what'll more likely happen is some of these like a littlebit slower two prize strategies will benefit sure. So you know things that I don't even know what the top of myhead Santa Condos, like Tho, one I'll, keep coming back to, but there's plentyof other like two price pokmon. That could benefit the one. The one thingthat I'm excited about just generally speaking, no matter what decks end up you know, kind of rising or fallwingbased on this band is that we will be able to see a little bit. I think,safer and and more more calculated gameplay in the sensethat a lot of players won't have to worry about. Mallwile. Being playedanymore, righ yeah, while Ond of this card, that is pretty much solely playedin the ATP deck. In order to create a situation where you know you canessentially get an auto win, even if, even if you know the the boardboard presence isn't in your favor right, you can just slap a Adena fromyour pont e's hand down and all of a sudden, you open the you know, routingup to that. You know being able to knock that out and then knock outanother two prize Pokemon for the win. So I'm really excited about losing thatelement of the format I think more so more so than losing atp I mean becausewe all know like the probemse that ATP presents, but more so than that, likebeing able to play a deck and make decisions in advance and not have toworry about having that Dedenne ripped from your hand or having that Crowbatrip from your hand when you didn't want it, but also being able to play aroundit. You know you know being able to play around likeif you do need to play one down right. So I'm just really excited about thataspect, t which is kind of an arziliary effect of the AATP ban and just whatit'll do in terms of maybe I don't know helping like a deck. I think thatreally hurts fro. Well, all decks really hurt from mall while, but something like sent toScorch, I feel like is a deck that you know really just gets kind of handcuffed in the early game, wherethey're trying to you know, dig through their deck a little bit and then theymight just have a hand stuck with with the dedene and that's just never goodin that kind of situation. So anyway, it' really excited about mowile beinggone. Long Story Short, I d just think of another one price strategy, I think,might benefit Excadril, I think, will actually be a pretty big benefactor,especially if wehink yeah, especially if we anticipate like Pekrob anditernitives to stick around in such lige quantities. You know Xatil really just needs to getover the ATP hum whic is bodies, those other decks right. So so I couldactually see that good thing, a better fact, terribe yeah hat, could be reallyfun. Yeah absolutely absolutely makes you wonder, though, like would it you know, would something likecolossal have better matchups now as well? It would that be a deck of choicefor sure. Another point I wanted to bring up aswell and is just emphasized in the limitless wrihte up is a lot of peopleare playing anyjers energy disruption. I think the primary two targets of seddisruption are ADP and atternative, but some of these more one prize kind ofdecks and kind of hang with the turnis...

...little bit better, I would say than ATP.What do you think is going to be the impact of this change in terms ofcrushing hammer and yell grunts presence in the Meta sure I mean you're,absolutely right, these one prize decks kind of are forced to play hammers. I guess unless you'resomething like mad party, which is trying to just do damage but like ifyou are an Excadril, like those things, are playing hammers just to avoid thatthat ultrar creation coming down. So you know it could have some kind ofauxiliary benefit like I think, we'll just see a general decrease in hammers.I still think ammer is a generally good card. I mean I turned I I o you site asbeing one of the primary reasons play, but I also think in like the peakeronmatchup for a lot of decks, you know being able to hammer off and energyearly could make some sort of difference. In terms of you know, Ithink it's even better against lightening me to were widing you toyeah, that's another great one, yeah, probably even better than Pikerom, but yeah. It could be one of those kind ofauxiliary benefits that we see from you know. Well, Hammer is probably bestagainst ADP, and so, if there's no ATP to worry about, maybe those slots cango to something else, so I would say, probably not a huge decrease, butcertainly I would imagine that it would trend. You know down the car beingplayed with trenddown. You think there's any decks that will suffer fromATP being done, Idexit, primarily trie, to focus in on ABP. That's a goodquestion: I'm hey honestly, I'm not too sure about that. I mean because you look at what hadlike a favorable winning percentage against ADP and they all like all thematchups kind of hover around pretty. Even from my for my experience except like maybeCento, scorch is probably a a negative matchup for ATP, so I'm not too surehow it would affect fair enough, and there might not beanything that like ends up suffering from the lack of anATP peasants, yeah figured iser toss it out. There sure know, that's a goodthing to think about. If anyone has any suggestions, you're listening to thepodcast, let us know because that would be kind of curious to explore. So first take in an ADP list, metagamewhat would be the deck that you try out or bring to a tournament? Well, I I mean I like mad party. A lotis like a deck that I wouldn't normally play that I would feel very comfortableplaying in an adps forma. I would feel fairly comfortable playing it in an ATPfilled format, but just to say like that would be a cooldeck that I would feel interested more interested in playingand then the other deck that I think I would feel more interested in playingwould be something like a relaboom where you're trying to engage youropponent with a three Prizor to start, and then you know like multiple twoprizers and then you also are kind of a clunky deck. So you do need your dedeneor Crobat in that Midgame, and so you're. Trying to you know, have this long game that ATPcan just really kind of run over if they get the right start and if you hadthe bench, the wrong things IG. So that would be another deck that I would lookto to be. You know be something that you knowcould reasonably play and yeah yeah. I think those are the twothat I would look into if, if I wasn't going to play something like a turn, aTis which I think is probably my favorite deck right now for sure forsure you in the boombox man, you love that it's great it's great yeah, it's reallyfun. I love double. I love. You know my boy rolling alone, executour, so any time I can play him. I will I'mglad to hear the mad part of you representation though I I always stand Mat partiers. I feellike now that I've mentioned it. I actually think EXCOGRA would be likepretty good. It seems good right, like I'm justthinking third of my head, they feel like Xperdo, can hang with a lot of theone prizors and is one of the best tacks that ticking off the two frisorson the bench because it plays all these. Like you know it plays the greatcatchers already thust is part of the strategy o the deck and it hits themfor weakness. There's no like damage ramping. You have to do to hit to killthe Denes and the crovats. Obviously, dikerons going to suffer in the face ofthe Nextdil at turn is loike. I Cano let try that sure yeah. That seems great. That seemsgreat. I'm trying to think of like potential counters teexcadril like whatwould be excadroll's worst matchup, probably colossal. I would guess yeprobably sure I don't know sure, maybe mad party if they can get a first.You know first turn knockout right because then you're just not able totrade, yeah T, probably well WAT TAD party. I gess. I think that Ardy playsa lot of Tu priser, so it would be like a abattl great catcher draws. Yeah yeah,that's really interesting, Yeah Huh is is excadril just the busted. I don'tknow why. I want to try it ut. That's...

...that's fo! Let us know on Switter,though, if you have any decks that you're excited to try out an an AtplisMeta game and you're, not looking to keep them hshhush until your nexttournament, wou'd love to hear what yeat going on there be great. Let's Segue in though to ournext topic here, which is, as always, our card of the day. Tw found somethingspecial for us to bring us home in two thousand and twenty what Sheu got well,it's really a whole kind of cart of the day would be to too focused, because I really more wantto focus on the artist of the day because they make a very specific styleof card, and these are very unique. They blend this kind of cartoon elementof pokemon with the natural world, and I find the cards to be very exciting,very interesting and a lot of times these cards there, this artist depictskind of the basic forms of Pokemon, but doing so in this style like the thebasic, the state, you know the basic and then obviously like the stage waneor stage two might be a different artist, but they oftentime te pick kindof these weaker POKEMON, but putting them in this setting kind of really humanizs it or or makes it more realfor me, and so the artist that I want a highlight and the card that I want tohighlight is Ukamor. Is Venus Orand, Snyvy Gx? Ithink this card is beautiful. It's the alternate art for the Venus or Erds.Excuse me, the Promo art for the Venus or and Sniby gxx card, and it's just great that she's a clayartist and so makes the models in clay and then puts them into a real worldsetting, and I find it to be very interesting. Very captivating andthey've been an artist for Pokmon for twenty years, so you can see back. Ithink their first works were in the NEO series. Shuckle comes to mind for me asa card that I like very distinctly remember from that time, but I justalways remember seeing these cards and they're just so unique and so cool withthat blend of of the Cartooni clay animation that they already have or theclay style that she already has and then putting it into that. You knowreal world setting. It's just it's kind of to me. It's like how I imaginepokeman actually being you know, we always have these kind of artistsrenditions of pokmon in the real world and they look a little too. They look alittle too real. You know they look a little to grop and this kind of stillhas that very distinct separation, all ale keeping it. You know in the realmof possibility, I suppose so alotilovers to and Lov the card yeah.My one of my roommates in college actuallycollected all of the clay cars, so he has a binder foll yojust slip throughand it's all the click ars they're, so fun. It's honestly, when I think oflike Pook on art, she's, probably one of the most iconic like artists. Youknow when you think of obviously you think of when you thinkof pokemont cars like based TAT. CHARN start is one of the first cars thatcomes to mind, but when you think of like trends of art, I ee, like theClayar, is really distinctive and something that I think o when I thinkof pokemark cards, yeah yeah, absolutely absolutely- and I just don't. I don't know like another TCG that thathas an art like this, and I don't know that it would necessarily- and maybethere is maybe there is- I just haven't seen it, but you know I just so perfectly fits forpokemon that it's brilliant really it is, it is, andif you start Nivy once you said that it was going to be like an artist, Iwondered if it was going to be the clay so and then he haid to Bena sortofsnabys, so it all came together there yeah. I don't know this, there'ssomething about the Venus Orand snavy, because I think when I first looked atthe card, I actually didn't notice that it was her artwork it just like. I don't know again it'sthis kind of thing where it just it's so natural for me to look at it, and Idon't really know what I thought but, like you go back and look at it andit's like wow. This is just such a cool way that they combined the the realworld ind the clay, and it just it. Just it's so seamless that you don'treally even think that it's clay right, so I guess that's the that's kind ofthe takeaway that I get from it, but just a beautiful card, beautiful card,absolutely ell! Thank you for that Yourw, awesome or OA for us here. So speaking of you know, x of the X, wewanted to talk about some highlights of the year yeah. You know, obviously thisgoing to be the last episode of Two Thousand and twenty had right year forthe podcast that's a great year on the whole necessarily youknow for someone obvious reasons,yeah, hopefully to you as well as a listener, but we wanted to shed some light onsome things that we thought were particular poparticular. Pokemonhighlights in the Year of two thousand...

...and twenty dw. Why don't you kick USoff here? What would you say was it? You know, defining feature of twothousand and twenty in like a positive way, yeah. Well, I think that I will say that there have been just alot of creators that have come out and really started things up during quarantine. I think that's been agenerally good thing for the game, because our game is very small, compare to alot of other games and so the more people that we can have contributing tothis to the content creation. You know themore voices we have represented, the more we can draw in New People to thisgame, where they find that they have a home somewhere, and I really think thatthat's very valuable. So you know you look atjust I mean even looking at you know, a very like quantifiable, very easy tolike count on your fingers, like example, would be Pokemon podcast,which, over the quarantine, you know we've seen you know a few crop up rightand a few more crapop up, and so you know that's that's great, like again,the more voices that we can have, the more representation that we can have isis awesome and then the the the tournament scene has beenreally interesting, and I would kind of lump that in with just content creationin general, because you're creating I mean you're, creating that necessarilycontent but you're, creating some kind of product that the community can use,and so that is another awesome thing is just seeing all these new tournaments and new series and relatively, like I don't know I relatively maybe unknownor under- I don't want to say, underperforming, but relatively unknownpeople kind of create something very, very cool, and now all of a all of asudden, become kind of this. You Know Thi this force in thecommunity. I mean you look at like up the HAGSTER yournaments. You Look atlike the chill tournaments, the CROLO tournaments. I mean you have all thesetouranaments that are popping up from people that you know. I had no idea whothey were before they started these tournaments and now they're on. Youknow pretty much if you're a competitive player they're on yourradar. So I think that's very cool. Absolutely absolutely it's been supercool to see everyone kind of come together as a community and bulstereach other up in a way you know making a scene for ourselves kind of agrassorelement of it was really cool yeah. It's pretty amazing what is happeningwith some of these tournaments. Getting you know, multiple hundreds of people,every single like wee multiple times a week. Potentiallyyou know it's pretty wild. What like I just would never have imaginedthis. If you would have told me that okaypokemon its going to go, you know, Pokmin is going to goessentially can put in two thousand and twenty. If you would have told me thatin two thousad and nineteen and you'd have said what do you think the sceneis going to look like if there are no inperson tournaments, I would have saidwell, you know might be time to find a new game. You know might be time toplay magic, ren or something like that, but no, we have as a community cometogether and, like you just look through the page here, you know, a lotof people are on break. Obviously, for December abut one two, three, four,five, six, seven, eight nine ten eleven twelvethirteen, that's in the last twoweeks thirteen tournaments have had over you know a hundred and fiftyplayers which is just wild to me. I would never have thought that thatcould possibly happen for sure for sure you know when I first realized that weprobably weren't going to have another imperson tournament in two thousand andtwenty I was legitimately concerned that the pokemon scene would like dieas a result. You know that we wouldn't be able to sustain having an onlineonly kind of game, and you know we'd fall apart and the community reallycame together and created something awesome for itself yeah, and I rememberthose days too, because we were like Oh man. What do we do with the podcastlike yeah? What do we talk about like? There was aperiod of time where there was like some pretty legitimate concern that wewere just okay, maybe we'll take a a few months off, but yeah it's been, it's been pretty wild,very cool stuff. So how about for you Riley? What's been a highlight of twothousand and twenty for you in the pokemon scene, sure- and I kind of wantto take the lit side of that, where I want to say that pokemon themselves hashas done a really good job of supporting the community in this timeyou know they haven't. Had you know the sheer cadence of tournaments butthey've had the players cops, which I think it's been a really good first step andintroducing like the true competitive scene, the online frame and they'vegotten iteratively better. The Players Cup to was a much better system thanplayers up one. Obviously, it's been super cool to have that, like actualpokemon involvement, price support, you get the real castors, the real streamsuper cool.

I would also extend that though onething I think pokmon a San really phenomenally well recently, especially,is their products have been absolutely unreal. It feels like they actuallyhave their ear to the competitive scene. They are building things with theintent of supporting competitive players. You know you have this ashionbattle day. You have the trainers to Ok it. You have all sorts of resources now available toyou to make getting into the game so easy and so oc for fun as someone WHO'strying to get in the game for the first time. You know, I know when I first gotinto trading card games like the prospect of having to buy all thesesingles was really intimidating to me. You know I wanted to just buy theproducts and get into the game that way and Pokmon has opened up the door forsomeone to do that, like you, can just buy a couple products and you're readyto play the game. One of one of the beautiful things thatyou know Hokemon has as opposed to other card games. Is this really big?You know price difference right? It is now,especially with the battle league decks, just so cheap o to get into, and that'sI mean it's not to say that you won't have the supplement. The Battle Leaguedecks it's not to early battledecks, it's not to mean that you know you'regoing to have like a perfect, her ONEDEC or that you won't ever have tobuy cards in the future, but just the fact that they are produced that theyare available and that Pokemon is leaning into the cheap, like it wasalready a relatively cheap game. When you look at you know something likemagic or even something like hearthstone, which I understand has alot of. You know yeah that you need a lot of time or ourmoney to invest into, but it was already a relatively cheap game and nowit's even cheaper and I think that's a huge win for us as a competitivecommunity yeah, and so I guess the point I'm getting at underlying andeven the collection sets like the interninis collection is phenomenal.Yeah, there's all sorts of things that are really just because so easy yeah.So what the point I'm getting at is, I guess, is people like the Haran pookmot a lot for like not caring about the competitive scene and s balancedecisions that they've made, but I feel like at least the people who are ableto do stuff for us are trying really hard to do the right things. You know not. Every single employee atPokmon has the power to band cards, but they can at least say you know, let's, let's put products make thingsaccessible. Let's have these tournaments to. You know give people achance to get into the game, and you know I think they've been doing a goodjob this year. So yeah it's been awesome to see like the extrainvolvement in poke mine, the competitive sceme, where, as I feellike in past years, you couldn't say to the same degree that that was happening.Yeah Yeah there definitely has been a lot of transparency and there's been alot of, like you, said kind of they've shown it in their actions thatthey do actually care about us. You know it hasn't been. You know, maybe asmuch as some people want. You know. Certainly there's always room to domore, but the fact that it's happening at all gives me a lot of hope for thefuture that you know if they keep like. If they keep releasing these kinds ofdecks every single year I mean we're going to you know. I think pokeman isjust really in a good position if they continue on this current trend, exactlyexactly agree hundred percent, so overall you know the year wasdefinitely stunted was definitely not the best year in Pokemon history, but Ithink we've made a solid piece of history for ourselves this year as awhole. You know, as a community we've built something great and I'm excitedto see where that carryes us into two thousand and twenty one in the furtherfuture Yah yeah me too me too, I think we're setting some really goodgroundwork for this next year, like you said, and and potentially even when inreal life tournaments come back, I mean it's very speculative right now andI've compearing kind of later. In later dates of you know, you're hearing aboutthe vaccine in America, the very least being rolled out slower than expected-and you know, and so maybe midway throughnext year, seems very optimistic and potentially not even you know havingenough herd immunity until two thousand and twenty one or wo thousand andtwenty two. So you know maybe there's a maybethere's a world where the competitive scene in person and online are bothlike you know as big as they are now, and I certainly can see that I mean theseeds are planted. I think they're very strong and very hearty plants that arebeing sewed right now, and so you know a world where there is inperson and online tournaments with the frequency that we've seen, I I think isextremely doable, especially as we get more and more and more players enteringthe scene every day. Absolute, but ow is a perfect time for us totransition over the any questions you have in chat. If you have any questions about, youknow ATP and its impact or what our thoughts are on the year. I feel foryour drop Thos here well answer a couple before we sign off for the day overall, I think we had a good run thisyear. All things I think so true yeah...

...yeah. I think so too. How about thepodcast? How did you think we did this heare? Well, I think I think we didwell honestly, I mean we stayed pretty on top of our game, even when we wereunsure what to talk about for a couple weeks. It always seems that way, though it'slike there never seems to be. There always seems to be something wecan talk about and always seems like. Okay, we'll have a we'll have a shorterepisode this week and then no it never happens. That way always goes. You knowforty five minutes or an hour. ITTHAT is so true, its Jilli asking ifI'll stream some more Tcgo, it's something that I would like to do. It'ssomething I think about doing a lot, the only inhibiting actoris just howmuch I work. So I don't really plug in my likenormal computer, like if yeer would do the podcast on you'reout the week.Usually I just leave my work set up throughout most of the week, so itbasically B on the weekends. Only so if there's like a good event thatI'm in on the weekend, I would definitely consider it, but usually Iup the only thing into l yeah, I mean you work so much rileythat you got to take a break sometime so yeah I do play Tcgo, but usuallywhen I'm playing eye. I just want to have like ten minutes to myself andjust play Mat Party. You know yeah sure sure cinema sists cinema sith says thatI hope Pokman releases an expanded, TOA kid, that's something that we'vedefinitely referenced here on the on the cast again but Riley. What do youthink you'r? The likelihood of an American trainer tool kit for theexpanded format would be. Do you think it's something that is even beingdiscussed? Do you think it's something that could reasonably be implemented? I think it's probably something thisbeing discussed at the veryleast, I'm just based on the N, based on thetransparency and the kinds of things we've had released in the past year. It seems incredibly likely that they'rediscussing something like that. You know, I think the big questionmarks are primarily around like trapical beach right and how they'regoing to handle that. I think Pokmon is more concerned aboutthat than you know. reprutting an AEPECK isn't that big of a deal they'vedone that before, but the beaches are really, I thinkthat's the thing that people want anyway out of this and I'm not sure they know how tohandle that. It seems weird I mean I almost like. Ijust never really understood why they went away from beaches as like theworlds prom up, because that seems like a very nice distribution form rightwhere you you're putting a lot of beaches into the sphere, but I almostfeel like they didn't intend for the worlds premo to be so good. You know, Idon't think they intended for that and features like too good and and so they stop production of it.Right like that, has scratchm. I guess I mean yeah, it's weird right, becauseyou have tropical beach, where it's like very thematic right. When theywere releasing beaches, we were having beach themed worlds right where theywere locations on a beach. And then, when you have you know things likeWashington dc or things like Nashville. You know it probably doesn'tDhamatically fit in with that Promo, but still I just feel like there couldhave been something done with the beaches. That makes them still thatexclusive. It doesn't completely tank the value, but also tries to get a fewmore into players hands so that they're not limited and expanded yeah. I maneasy thing is to do like the Junor peeffect, where you can like have adifferent name, hard, that Din be playin the same deck or something suresure absolutely. But you know Whomam I to speak pok about in this case, Ithink that's. The problem is, I think, that's the thing. People really wantout of an expanded tokiy in the states, and you know in generally like the West-and I don't know if Pokemon is able to make that call. I was going to say thatseems like the least likely card like if we're talking about what wouldactually go into an expanded tool kit that seems to me the least, likely cardto actually make it into right and I think, to an extent they want to befair to people who, like own these speeches and have been to worlds orhave you know paid for them and exhorbitant amounts. U K O. They wantto be fair to those people as well. Yeah T at's, it's Toik right and I meanagain grand scheme of things. If we're talking about like comparison, valueslike whatever a beach is worth now, you knowsomewhere between what two fifty and four hundred dollars now getting aplace out of that, like all lot of other major card games, havethat kind of like increase price point for like most of their decks, and sowhen we're talking about like a very Nich card for very nich deck in aformat that you don't even have to participate in to you know, play thegame on a competitive level. There's just you know, maybe some arguments aswell there for not reprinning ptropical...

...beach for sure for sure so, gioscope ev says give me one nonpokmon highlight of the year Riley. What's a non pokemin hat you'reGoingna go first, because you had out the questo. I think for me, there's probably two that I would callout one. My physcal health has been really really good this past year, I'vebeen very into working out and I think I think it's paid off. I'm definitely alot stronger and I feel a lot like generally betterabout myself still like. Obviously I work in proogress kind of always is,but that's been something I've been really dedicated to and also in spite of everything. I'vemade really good friends with one of my neighbors e in the past year Ohni. So Ihaven't. You know it's easy for someone like myself who lives alone in anapartment to kind of like really suffer and loneliness, but I you know, I made a new friend who livesright next to me, and so we're able to hang out often not have to worry as much because we'rebasically each other's social circle and also I have had a really good time.Like online experiencees of my friends, IV reconnected with some folks fromhigh school, we meet on discord and play video games. That's been, I thinkit's actually been like a decent year for me on the whole, in spite of everythinture sure, Yo did yea, it's been yeah, it's been all right. Let's see highlights, I don't know theYoutube as bent a really good highlight recently. For me, it's been super fune.Over the last month, we've had like an increase of seven hundred subscriberson the youtube, which I mean for a pokemon trading card game channel is like pretty impressive. Iwould say I'm very happy with the direction that the youtube is gone, sothat has definitely been recent. Highlight s been really funny, becausewe were talking like a month like you, coul very clearly see the date that wewere talking about. Oh you know I was fee line kind of down with things andthen pretty much. We talked about a littlebit on the podcast and then you know going from there that point.You see the inflection where it just like everything, just kind of rose like to an ununreal degree in that you knowmonth and a half or whatever. So that's pretty cool yeah. You guys shoulddefinitely check out D BCT, you don't already like. I act legitimately watchthe videos every day, not just because I'm just friend, but Ithink they're fun to wi well. Thank you rigtly. I appreciate that e'll take onemore question before we sign off here and that's what pokemon would you liketo se you get a V and a future set. Have you POK Mon wish list, Hokon, wishlist, Huh, well, dragon ight,of course, Igan I, my favorite. I would really I mean I also like, like a King Dra, I think King Dra orBalasam. Those are also my favorite Pokemon, but still like, I feel likethey'd, make a really epic Pokemon V. I don't know if they have vmaxes, theyprobably don't, because I don't I mean they could, but they could rightexactly like a king, drof, vmax. Well, woith that look like maybe the snoutlike goes out a little bit more or something I don't know or like Blassomv Max like althe, the Maggis don't have to be Tidtganto maxes right, likethere's some bean exes that are just the normal pokemon that they are likeJagafalt. Oh okay, see that and that's where my that's wher I innocence about the Gamescomes in yeah, but I would say those yeah, I would saythos. This would be pretty cool. I would love to see this is like goopy,but I would love to see like an Alowlin pocom on gonna, be you know, don't don't let them die. Letthem come back. Yeah sure I don't know like in Aloland. Right UV would be coolor like in a little impersion to you wouldbe really funny like something actually. No, I knowthat seems like seems like a horrible pokemon Yeah Av like an a loan Ri. Shewould be cool or Ribut Alo in Persian just get that out of here. I don't wantthat energy. My Life Si don't know. I would like to see somesort of like older generation off acto, all an nine tales, obviously classicAlo an Pokmon Yeah Without a fairy type. For the first time you get a psyche.Loan Nine Tales, whichould be kind of Glod, peopl yeahthat would be reallycool to. I think that's my wishless es side, just like standard cool POK emon. Well here it is the end of two thousand andtwenty in podcast form. Thank you guys, all for being amazing listeners viewers.If you haven't already and you're listening on your favorite podcastingplatform, please make sure to leave us a like a review comments even tell us how we did greattell us how we could do better. That is something that we read and we take theheart. Absolutely. Thank you all so...

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