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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 18 · 1 year ago

3-18. Goodbye 2020!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back for the last time in 2020- ready to review the hot-off-the-presses ADP ban by Limitless and discuss how the year went overall. Come check it out!

Yo, what U up? Guys, welcome to the TAG team podcast, the POKEMON trading card games. Forme, your podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined, asalways, buy my good, good friend JW creewall. Jw has a hangingtoday. It's hang a pretty well, Riley, just having a couple ofdays, you know, well, more like a week with my wife,just hanging out doing the things that we like to do. playboard games,watch, you know, films, for sure, to Bible Studies, Idon't know, it just a lot of a lot of good time has beenspent these last couple of weeks. So how about you? What's going onwith you? I know you were a little bit of a workaholic last night. Yeah, I was trying to get a lot of stuff done before theNew Year because we have some like development deadlines that are coming up done.So I work pretty late yesterday, but I worked. I had all oflast week off, which was really nice, and I have the rest of thisweek off, which is nice, so kind of getting some rest inthere to make up for it. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of funnythat, you know, we've been so consistent and then last week wehad talked about, you know, we'll be back, or two weeks agowe're like back at the same time, same place, and then we werenot, and then also again this week we are delayed. It's just veryfunny how consistent we can be and then and then right at the end ofthe year we kind of like trip up at the finished fe but still everysingle they stay encount there being an episode. That's think that's still something else before. Absolutely. So, how is your Christmas? Man, you getanything fun or exciting? I'm not particularly at the older you get, Ithink the less you should expect. Yeah, that goes about saying, and youknow, it seems to be pretty frequently that I'll get some type ofsock or some type of underwear, and this year was no different. Didget a pair of socks from my parents in law. The funny thing wasthat I was also getting like I got like a bar of soap which waslike a designer bar of soap. So I'm not very nice, I'm notmad about it. It's just, you know, it's kind of interesting tosee the progression. So smell a little bit. Well, that's I know. I was like hey, I need to like not take offense to thisbecause I'm sure that they I'm sure that there's no alterior meaning behind this.But yeah, so I got a bar soap. Let's see, I gotthe I guess, the biggest thing, the best thing that I did get, which wasn't actually an intended Christmas gift, but at my parents in law's housethey had this old xbox that had not been used as an xbox threehundred and sixty just like hadn't been used. Apparently it was like a gift ata car dealership or something where, you know, you buy a carand they give you, you know, some prize. You spin the wheelor something, they give you a prize. So they had this xbox one hundredand sixty and really been played and been signed into like maybe one timeto create a profile, and it was just sitting down in their basement and, you know, I found it. I was like hey, is anyoneusing this and they're like no, you can have it, and so Iguess that would be my best gift. That's got a cool intended for me. So yeah, I was able to pick up some games. The otherday picked up sky rim, so I'm gonna go enjoy that probably later today. Yeah, assassin's creed to is on the sixty as all. The gameis really good. That's why I think my favorite assassin's creedy. And Ithink, okay, yeah, because as somebody that's never I've never owned anxbox and my limited interaction with Xbox has been primarily through sports games. Sureif, yeah, and NHL and things like that. So do you haveany recommendations? You said assassin's creed to. Again, I don't have any experiencewith, you know, the elder scrolls or the the assassin's creeds orthe gods of war, anything like that. A God of war is on theplaystation PS two. Now I'm thinking, Oh, gears of war, maybeears of wars on the ice box. I've never played the years of wargames. I don't. I only have the three hundred and sixty outof all the XBOXES. Okay, but I'm primarily I used it as likea modern warfare machine, which isn't really you know, there's no online forit now, so it doesn't really make sense. But gassin's creed was areally good game. I played the final fantasy game, the final fantasy thirteen, was pretty fun. There's a couple other games. The Connect Games areactually really fun, but you need to connect to do that. Yeah,kind of not feeling that, but they are fun if you like, ifyou enjoy like the we kind of just dance. So connect versions are likebetter versions of that. Sure, sure, that's awesome. What did you get, Riley? Not a lot either, you know, just like you.You know, getting little tricks for my parents and that's just enough tomake me happy. They did find me as some of those mega constructs,like pokemon sets, which is kind of...

...cool. So they got me likea larger Pikachu set and then they got me a smaller set, which waslike a collection of smaller Pokmon, but the each came in a poke balland it was like there's one of the Great Ball, there's one in aluxury ball, there's one in the poke ball. Obviously it's that was prettycool. Okay, I like the poke ball is probably the best out ofit because it was like really neat to have all the different poke balls.Sure. So, other than that, though, you know, it prettylike standard. fier got a bunch of clothes this year. Like, forthose of you aren't, we're like, I've been trying to bulk up alot the past year. So it's like I don't fit as well into thesmallest that I used to wear. More of it like a medium or alarge now, depending on the brand. So a lot of the CLU I'mlike trying to revamp my wardrobe very slowly, because it's very expensive to do revampyour war jobe. So my parents kind of gave me a little stimuluspackage there. They got me some sweachers and some wow, that's that's reallynice. Yeah, and and it's it could be kind of tough also buyingfor yourself because, at least for me, I'm always second guessing whether or notI actually like the purchase that I'm making. And so to just havebeen gifted something, yeah, you know, it takes all that guess work outof like do I actually really enjoy this? Do I not? Youknow, yeah, for sure. I'm definitely pretty frugal myself. I haveto like to go fore confidence something to buy it right exactly, exactly.But overall, successful Christmas and of course, just you know, ny time peoplewho matter is always a good a good fair. Speaking of Christmas,I wanted to take a quick second here. If you are listening to this andit's still there's Day, the thirty one of two thousand and twenty.You still have time to enter our give away here for the Zashim v BattleDeck plus the trainer Tool Kit. Though, if you haven't entered deet, besure to go to twitter, check out tag team pokemon and resweet andlike that sweet there so you can be entered into the giveaway. It's afree to enter give away. I'll get to enter. Do is give youa resweet and like and follow, and we're excited to give this out.So, and this ends to night, the thirty one at midnight eastern.Get your entries and now. It should be great for someone that maybe hasplayed a lot online but maybe doesn't have, you know, the in person cardsyet is looking to maybe play in person if they have a store that'srunning, you know, in person events, or if they're, you know,just playing around the house. So it should be a great little thingfor those that, you know, maybe play online a lot but don't reallyhave the cards for current standard. Yeah, and a lot of these cards shouldbe ones that are pretty like sustainable along term as well, even ifyou don't get out play for a while. Zashi and obviously will be a stapleand standard for yours to come. The denny will be a stable andexpanded for yours to come. ATP polly as well, we'll be a stableand expanded so definitely want to get your hands on these. Yeah, absolutely. And speaking of ATP, perfect transition over INSER. Our next topic today, limitless finally took the plunge. JW. They they did. It's been avery interesting last week where limitless announced that they would be officially, atleast for the foreseeable future, banning ADP from any of their events. Yeah, and so if you've been listening to the podcast for a while, youknow that ATP being banned as been kind of a discussion point ever since rotation. You know it's will really championing that movement or early on into the format, but still to be an ongoing discussion this entire time here. And limitlessfinally said, Hey, let's let's try it out, and so they announcedthat, you want to happen once for a month coming here, that they'regoing to have ATP band of their events and it's going to be like atrial run and from there, if it is largely successful, they maybe willcontinue to ban it or if it's many unsuccessful they'll take it away. Theyhad a really great right up kind of explaining their decision. I think itgoes over like a lot of the talking points that we've had in the PODCASTand you know you've seen over twitter, but it was really eloquently put though. If you're unfamiliar with some of the logic there, I recommend checking itout. It's really centers around, you know, how does ATP INTERACT THEFORMAT? What kind of games does it have? And I it makes alot of sense in on paper. So, dw what are your thoughts around thisband here? I mean this is a pretty big deal. ATP hasbeen the most popular deck at pretty much every event since the format started.Yeah, and I mean we're seeing a slight shift away from it recently,but it certainly has been an absolute force pretty much the entirety of this format. Like you said, I would expect not a ton to change early on. I mean you still look at a deck like Peak Ram, you knowBill Cephalon a turn, it this all...

...being those kinds of decks that canreally hold their own pretty much against anything. So I honestly like my initial impressionis that it probably doesn't shake things up too much just because of howstrong and powerful those decks are and the fact that a lot of those deckscan go fairly toe to toe with one prize or. So, for instance, if you're playing in a turn it is deck, you know you havethe option to put in an elevated spear tomb count or an elevated, youknow, eveltal count right, so where you're going to be a little bitmore easily able to trade into the one prize or such. Your opponent mightplay right and then if they're not playing something fighting, then you know,presumably your turn it is. Could take two, maybe three knockouts before thatone prize deck could you knock you out in response. So I and thenPeek Arom. You look at it, with the with the tag bowl beingvery good at kind of disrupting the opponent if they're playing some kind of evolutionor one prize deck, I just don't see it making like a huge impact. Certainly early on. I think people will stay with kind of what theyknow and then it'll be interesting to see how it does change and evolved.I just would suspect that I would see my initial hunch is just that there'snot going to be a huge, huge difference between a format with ATP anda format without ATP, just because of how good the other decks are thataren't, you know, named ATP. For sure. Yeah, I meanit's definitely. It's tough, right, because the other decks that are arealready met at are so powerful. Yeah, it's not like those are going awayand all of a sudden you're going to be able to play whatever roguedeck you want that has horrible matchups. Got Any of those decks? Yeah, so, yeah, I agree that to an extent. I thought itwas really interesting. You know, we had a couple months back we hadthe one tournament where ATP was banned, or like a couple of tournaments andit was always some whacky deck to ended up winning. There was like madparty ended up winning it once. SANTACONDA ended up winning it once, butI almost feel like that was a product of just the fact it was aonetime thing. So people wanted to play something goofy almost that they thought lostto ATP, and specifically I'm thinking of like Santa Con a mad party arekind of decks that have a little bit of a rougher time against ATP,especially the way Mad Party was built at the time that, you know,I don't really know if there's success is sustainable. SANTACONA relies and getting astage to emplay on. Turn to yeah, or you lose, and mad partyis obviously got just some inherent inconsistencies. It is very fun, of course, and right pretty powerful in the grand scheme of things, but Idon't know, it just felt like those were almost more responding to the factthat ATP was banned and just wanted to people want to try out their newstuff. While they could sure coorse. I feel like almost in verse toit. You said. I think people will early on tried and do newthings as much as possible, but then when they find out like the triedand true is still what's successful, they'll end up like gravitating towards that more. Okay, okay, yeah, I mean I suppose it's kind of yeah, digs into like what people psyches, what people are feeling. I've justto have been noticing a trend of of players right now. You know whereyou know you're saying, well, maybe earlier in the format ATP was themost played. I mean if we look at some of the most recent tournaments, you know it's more like Peak Rama turn it is even Lucario Mel metalare some of the most played decks right now, is opposed to ATP.So I think you know, just on that alone, like people are alreadyshifting away from ATP and that mindset there. And so I guess that's two differentways of coming about the same problem right where it's like, what isgoing to happen? I suppose one of us will be right, so we'llhave to see who it is. But yeah, it's certainly an interesting kindof proposition here to just take it out of the format entirely. I knowa lot of people are kind of shifting away from it, but to justtake it out of the format entirely and posing it back to you, Riley, what do you think are some of the decks that are maybe inhibited somuch by the fact that ATP exists that when it gets removed from the formatthey can really thrive? Sure that I think primarily we have to look atslower strategies and one prize decks as like the two groups of depths to lookat. So when I think of slower strategies. Controlled X obviously one thatsprings to mind. You know, decks that are trying to plow through thewhole deck and use x Coul drill or some other means of disrupting your opponentcontinuously. Those can't really deal with ATP. I guess even seeking is a debtwill struggle in the face of ATP right. But you know, primarilyI'm thinking it more like ex could drill and scoop up net kind of focusdecks. I think those true actually might be able to find a niche forthemselves. They're definitely really good against turn it is I don't know how they'llfair against peek here on heavy Meta. Sure, and I almost it's almostinteresting because decks like Anaconda, just,...

...you know, going further onto leftfield, are pretty good at dealing with those kind of control x because theycan continually for cycle and move around their energies. So you know, itcould it's almost like what is the end game here? Is You know,it's Santaconda going to come out because people are playing control deck? I don'treally think so, but you know, something worth thinking about. Yeah,so I think that's probably going to be the one of the main benefactors becausethey think it has okay matchups against some of the some of the field ingeneral, these control strategies, but it really can't keep up with ATP inmost games. So I think I'm excited to see if anything can come outof that. You know, I'm sure like Sander Sanders going to come upwith something crazy, but who knows? And then the other archetype of strategyis going to be just like more one prize attacking kind of strategies. Youknow, we've seen people try and play stuff like spirit tomb with capes earlyon in the format and thinking that was really good. I hesitate to saythat I think that has sustainable long term success because tool scrapper really, reallyis harmful to the spirit team strategy. Sure, so, I don't know. Spear tunes the Deck Up Choice for one prisers and really I feel likethe best one prizes in general or the are like the ones that are alreadybeing played. So let's Cephalon is already like such a solid strategy in generaland people are really I feel like at this point people are really like grindingdown, optimizing how you should be playing with Stuffali like know, Justin thegrahmerant counts and the three prize a counts even. Yeah, so you know, I have tate to say that on the one prize front, people thingswill be too disruptive. I think what'll more likely happen is some of theselike a little bit slower to prize strategies will benefit. Sure. So,you know, things that I don't even know what top my head. SantaConda is like the one I'll keep coming back to, but there's plenty ofother like to prize Pokemon, that could benefit the one. The one thingthat I'm excited about, just generally speaking, no matter what decks end up,you know, kind of rising or falling based on this band, isthat we will be able to see a little bit, I think, saferand and more more calculated Gameplay, in the sense that a lot of playerswon't have to worry about mawhile being played anymore. Right, yeah, whileI was kind of this card that is pretty much solely played in the ATPdeck in order to create a situation where you know, you can essentially getan auto win, even if, even if you know the the board,it board presence isn't in your favor. Right, you can just slap atDennie from your opponents and down and all of a sudden you open the youknow, routing up to that, you know, being able to knock thatout and then knock out another two prize Pokemon for the win. So I'mreally excited about losing that element of the format, I think, more so, more so than losing ATP, I mean, because we all know likethe problems ATP presents, but more so than that, like being able toplay a deck and make decisions in advance and not have to worry about havingthat to Denn a ripped from your hand or having that Crowbat rip from yourhand when you didn't want it, but also being able to play around it, you know, being able to play around like if you do need toplay one down right. So I'm just really excited about that aspect it,which is kind of an auxiliary effect of the ATP band, and just whatit'll do in terms of maybe, I don't know, helping like a deckI think that really hurts from well, all decks really hurt from small well, but something like sent to Scorch, I feel like, is a deckthat really just gets kind of handcuffed in the early game where they're trying to, you know, dig through their deck a little bit, and then theymight just have a hand stuck with with the Dedenne and that's just never goodin that kind of a situation. So, anyway, really excited about mob whilebeing gone. Long Story Short, I just think of another one pricestateg I think might benefit. X could drill, I think, will actuallybe a pretty big benefactor, especially if we think, yeah, especially ifwe anticipate like Pik Ramin it turn it is to stick around and such highquantities. You know, extra drill really just needs to get over the ATPhum and its bodies, those other decks, right. So sure I could actuallysee that get being a better factor. Yeah, it could be really fun. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Makes you wonder, though, likewould it, you know, would something like colossal have a better matchups nowas well? It would? That be the deck of choice, for sure. Another point I wanted to bring up as well, and this was emphasizedin the limitless right up, is a lot of people are playing anator's energydisruption. I think the primary two targets, I've said disruption, are ATP anda turn. It is, but some of these more one prize kindof decks and kind of hang with the...

...turn has a little bit better,I would say, than ATP what do you think is going to be theimpact of this change in terms of crushing hammer and yell grunts presence in theMeta? Sure, I mean you're absolutely right. These one prize decks kindof are forced to play Hammers, I guess, unless you're something like madparty, which is trying to just do damage. But like if you arean extra drill like those things are playing hammers just to avoid that that ultracreation coming down. So, you know, it could have some kind of auxiliarybenefit. Like I think we'll just see a general decrease in hammers.I still think hammer is a a generally good card. I mean, Iturned it is you site as being one of the primary reasons to play,but I also think in like the peak around matchup for a lot of decks, you know, being able to hammer off and energy early could make somesort of difference in terms of you know, I think it's even better against lightningme to. People were lightning me to. Yeah, that's another greatone. Yeah, probably even better than PEK UM. But yeah, itcould be one of those kind of auxiliary benefits that we see from you knowwell, Hammer is probably best against ATP, and so if there's no ATP toworry about, maybe those slots can go to something else. So Iwould say probably not a huge decrease, but certainly I would imagine that itwould trend, you know, down. The card being played would trend down. You think there's any decks that will stoffer from ATP being gone, likedect that primarily try to focus in on ATP? That's a good question.I'm honestly I'm not too sure about that. I mean because you look at whathad like a favorable winning percentage against ATP and they all, like allthe matchups kind of hover around pretty even from my for my experience, exceptlike maybe sent to Scorch is probably a negative matchup for ATP. So I'mnot too sure how it would affect fair enough, and and then might notbe anything that like ends up suffering from the lack of an ATP. Peasants. Yeah, figured ier toss it out there. Sure. Now that's agood thing to think about. If anyone has any suggestions you're listening to thepodcast, let us know, because that would be kind of curious to explore. So first take in an atpless metagame, what would be the deck that youtry out or bring to a tournament? Well, I I mean I likemad party a lot. Is like a deck that I wouldn't normally playthat I would feel very comfortable playing in an atplus format. I would feelfairly comfortable playing it in an ATP filled format. But just to say likethat would be a cool deck that I would feel interested more interested in playing. And then the other deck that I think I would feel more interested inplaying would be something like a real boom where you're trying to engage your opponentwith a three prizer to start and then you know like multiple two prizers,and then you also are kind of a clunky deck, so you do needyour Dednn a or Crowbat in that midgame and so you're trying to, youknow, have this long game that ATP can just really kind of run overif they get the right start and if you have the bench the wrong thingsright. So that would be another deck that I would look to to be, you know, be something that you know it could reasonably play. AndYeah, yeah, I think those are the two that I would look intoif I if I wasn't going to play something like a turnity, which Ithink is probably my favorite deck right now. For sure, for sure, youin the boom box, then you love that, then it's great.It's great. Yeah, it's really fun. I love double. I love,you know, my boy rolling alone executor. So any time back canplay him, I will. I'm glad to hear the mad party representation,though I know I always stand mad partiers. I feel like, now that I'vementioned it, I actually think I said drill would be like pretty good. It seems good right, like I'm just thinking third of my head.They feel like extra Doo can hang with a lot of the one prizers andit's one of the best decks at picking off the two frisers on the benchbecause it plays all these like you know, it plays the great catchers already justpart of the strategy the deck and it hits them for weakness. There'sno like damage ramping you have to do to hit to kill the Danna's inthe crow bats. Obviously Ki Kuram's going to suffer in the face of anextra drill at turn. It is. Look, I kind of want totry that. Sure, yeah, that seems great. That seems great.I'm trying to think of like potential counters to excua drill, like what wouldbe ex coul drill's worst matchup? I've probably colossal, I would guess.Yeah, probably, sure. I don't know. Sure, maybe, madparty, if they can get a first you know, first turn, knockout, right, because then you're just not able to trade. Yeah, itprobably well. Well, mad party, and I guess I think that partyplays a lot of supprises. Yes, so would be like you're a battlea great catcher draws. Yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah, Huh,is is ex could drill just the busted? I don't know, I want totry it out. That's that's how.

Let us know on twitter, though, if you have any decks that you're excited to try out at anATPLIS metagame and you're not looking to keep them hush hush until your next tournament. We'd love to hear what she got going on there. Be Great.Let's Segue and though, to our next topic here, which is, asalways, our card of the day. It W found something special for usto bring us home in two thousand and twenty. What you got? Well, it's really a whole kind of card of the day would be too toofocused, because I really more want to focus on the artist of the day, because they make a very specific style of card and these are very unique. They blend this kind of cartoon element of pokemon with the natural world andI find the cards to be very exciting, very interesting and a lot of timesthese cards there this artist depicts kind of the basic forms of Pokemon,but doing so in this style like the the basically the state, you know, the basic and then obviously, like the stage one, or stage toomight be a different artist, but they oftentimes depict the kind of these weakerPokemon, but putting them in the setting kind of really humanizes it or makesit more real for me. And so the artist that I want to highlightand the card that I want to highlight is Yuka more. He's Venus orand Snivey gx. I think this card is a beautiful it's the alternate artfor the Venus Ord scusing the Promo art for the sort and Snivey gx card, and it's just great that it's she's a clay artist and so it makesthe models in clay and then puts them into a real world setting and Ifind it to be very interesting, very captivating. And they've been an artistfor Pokemon for twenty years, so you can see back. I think theirfirst works were in the NEO series. Shuckle comes to mind for me asa card that I like very distinctly remember from that time. But I justalways remember seeing these cards and they're just so unique and so cool with thatblend of the cartoony clay animation that they already have or the clay style thatshe already has and then putting it into that, you know, real worldsetting. It's just it's kind of to me it's like how I imagine pokemonactually being. You know, we always have these kind of artist renditions ofpokemon in the real world and they look a little too they look a littletoo real, you know, they look a little too group and this kindof still has that very distinct separation all while keeping it, you know,in the realm of possibility, I suppose. So I love that. I loveher istuff and love the card. Yeah, my one of my roommatesin college actually collected all of the clay cards. He has a binder fullyto slip through and it's all the clay cares. They're so fun. Iit's honestly, when I think of a pokemon are, she's probably one ofthe most iconic like artists. You know, when you think of obviously you thinkof when you think of POKEMON cards like base at Charis Art is oneof the first cards that comes to mind, but when you think of like trendsof art, I feel like the clay are is really distinctive and it'ssomething that I think of when I think of pokemon cards. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely, and I just don't I don't know like another tcgthat that has an art like this and I don't know that it would necessarilyand maybe there is. Maybe there is, I just haven't seen it, butyou know, it just so perfectly fits for pokemon. That's it's brilliant, really it is. It is. And I vanusors Ivy, once yousaid that it was going to be like an artist, I wondered if itwas going to be the clay so and then he said the Venus Arts Navvy, so it all came together there. Yeah, I don't know this.There's something about the Venus Oart snobby, because I think when I first lookedat the card. I actually didn't notice that it was her artwork. Itjust like, I don't know. Again, it's this kind of thing where itjust it's so natural for me to look at it and I don't reallyknow what I thought. But like you go back and look at it andit's like wow, this is just such a cool way that they combined thethe real world in the clay and it just it just it's so seamless thatyou don't really even think that it's clay. Right. So I guess that's thethat's kind of the takeaway that I get from it. But just abeautiful card, beautiful card, absolutely well. Thank you for that. You WAwesome Art Day for us here. So, speaking of you know,x of the X, we wanted to talk about some highlights of the year. Yeah, you know, obviously it's going to be the last episode ofTwo Thousand and twenty. It had right year for the PODCAST. Not soa great year on the whole, necessarily for someone obvious reasons. Yeah,hopefully to you that's well as a listener. But we want to shed some lighton some things that we thought were particular pokemon highlights in the Year oftwo thousand and twenty. JW, why...

...don't you kick US off here?What would you say? It was a, you know, defining feature of twothousand and twenty in like a positive way. Yeah, well, Ithink that I will say that there have been just a lot of creators thathave come out and really started things up during quarantine. I think that's beena generally good thing for the game, because our game is very small comparedto a lot of other games, and so the more people that we canhave contributing to this, to content creation, you know, the more voices wehave represented, the more we can draw in New People to this gamewhere they find that they have a home somewhere, and I really think thatthat's very valuable. So, you know, you look at just I mean evenlooking at, you know, a very like quantifiable, very easy tolike count on your fingers, like example would be Pokemon podcasts, which,over the quarantine, you know, we've seen, you know, a fewcrop up right and a few more crop up, and so you know,that's that's great. Like again, the more voices that we can have,the more representation that we can have, is is awesome. And then thethe the tournament scene has been really interesting and I would kind of lump thatin with just content creation in general, because you're creating, I mean you'recreating not necessarily content, but you're creating some kind of product that the communitycan use, and so that is another awesome things, just seeing all thesenew tournaments and new series and relatively like, I don't know, I relatively maybeunknown or under I don't want to say underperforming, but relatively unknown,people kind of create something very, very cool and now all of a allof a sudden become kind of this you know, this this force in thecommunity. I mean you look at lap, the hegster tournaments, you look atlike the chill tournaments, the Crolo tournaments, I mean you have allthese tournaments that are popping up from people that, you know, I hadno idea who they were before they started these tournaments, and now they're onyou know, pretty much if you're a competitive player, you're there on yourradar. So I think that's very cool. Absolutely. Absolutely. It's been supercool to see everyone kind of come together as a community, be andbolster each other up in a way, you know, making a scene forourselves, kind of grass rooms element of it was really cool. Yeah,it's pretty amazing what is happening with some of these tournaments getting, you know, multiple hundreds of people every single like we multiple times a week potentially.You know, it's pretty wild what like. I just would never have imagined thisif you would have told me that, okay, Pokemon is going to go, you know, pokemon is going to go essentially put in two thousandand twenty. If you had told me that in two thousand and nineteen andyou'd have said, what do you think the scene is going to look likeif there are no in person tournaments, I would have said, well,you know, might be time to find in a new game, you know, might be time to play magic green or something like that. But nowwe have, as a community, come together and, like you, justlook through the page here. You know, a lot of people are on break, obviously for December, but one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine, ten, eleven, twelve thirteen.That's in the last two weeks thirteen tournaments have had over, you know, a hundred and fifty players, which is just wild to me. Iwould never have thought that that can possibly happen. For sure, for sure. You know, when I first realize that we probably weren't going to haveanother in person tournament in two thousand and twenty. I was legitimately concerned thatthe POKEMON scene would like die as a result, you know, that wewouldn't be able to sustain having an online only kind of game and, youknow, we'd fall apart. And the community really came the other and createdsomething awesome for itself. Yeah, I and I remember those days too,because we were like, Oh man, what do we do with the podcast? Like, yeah, what do we talk about? Like there was aperiod of time where there was like some pretty legitimate concern that we were justokay, maybe we'll take a few months off. But yeah, it's beenit's been pretty wild, very cool stuff. So how about for you, Riley, what's been a highlight of two thousand and twenty for you in thepokemon scene? Sure, and I kind of want to take the flip sideof that. Or I want to say that pokemon themselves has has done areally good job of supporting the community in this time. You know, theyhaven't had, you know, the sheer cadence of tournaments, but they've hadthe players cops, which I think it's been a really good first step andintroducing like the true competitive seeen the online frame, and they've gotten iteratively better. The Players Cup two is a much better system than Players Cup one.Obviously it's been super cool to have that, like actual pokemon involvement, price support. You get the real castors, the real stream super cool. Iwould also extend that, though. One...

...thing I think pokemon has done reallyphenomenally well recently especially, is their products have been absolutely unreal it feels likethey actually have their ear to the competitive scene. They are building things withthe intent of supporting competitive players. You know, you have this ostion battledeck, you have the trainer's tool kit, you have all sorts of resources nowavailable to you to make getting into the game so easy and so forfun. As someone WHO's trying to get into the game for the first time, you know, I know when I first gotten a trading card games likethe prospect of having to buy all these singles was really intimidating to me.You know, I wanted to just buy the products and get into the gamethat way, and Pokemon has opened up the door for someone to do that. Like you can just buy a couple products and you're ready to play thegame. One of one of the beautiful things that, you know, pokemonhas as opposed to other card games is this really big, you know,price difference. Right. It is now, especially with the battle league decks,just so cheap to to get into, and that's I mean. It's notto say that you won't have to supplement the battle league decks. It'snot too early battle decks. It's not to mean that you know you're goingto have like a perfect tier one deck or that you won't ever have tobuy cards in the future, but just the fact that they are produced,that they are available and that Pokemon is leaning into the cheap like it wasalready a relatively cheap game. When you look at, you know, somethinglike magic or even something like hearthstone, which I understand has a lot ofyou know, yeah, that you need a lot of time or money toinvest into, but it was already a relatively cheap game and now it's evencheaper and I think that's a huge win for us as a competitive community.Yeah, and so I guess the point I'm getting at underlying and even thecollection sets, like the atternety collection is phenomenal. Yeah, there's all sortsof things that are really just because so easy. Yeah, so I whatthe point I'm getting at is, I guess, is people like the harpand Pokemon a lot for like not caring about the competitive seem and balanced decisionsthat they've made. But I feel like at least the people who are ableto do stuff for us are trying really hard to do the right things.You know, not every single employee at Pokemon has the power to ban cards, but they can at least say, you know, let's let's put productsto make things accessible, let's have these tournaments to, you know, givepeople a chance to get into the game and, you know, I thinkthey've been doing a good job this year. So, yeah, it's been awesometo see like the extra involvement in Pokemon and the competitive see, whereas I feel like in past years you couldn't say that to the same degreethat that was happening. Yeah, yeah, there definitely has been a lot oftransparency and there's been a lot of, like you said, kind of they'veshown it in their actions that they do actually care about us. Youknow, it hasn't been, you know, maybe as much as some people want. You know, certainly there's always room to do more, but thefact that it's happening at all gives me a lot of hope for the futurethat, you know, if they keep like, if they keep releasing thesekinds of decks every single year, I mean we're gonna you know, Ithink pokemon is just really in a good position if they continue on this currenttrend. Exactly, exactly agree hundred percent. So overall, you know, theyear was definitely stunted. was definitely not the best year in Pokemon history, but I think we've made a solid piece of history for ourselves this yearas a whole. You know, as a community we've built something great andI'm excited to see where that carry is us into two thousand and twenty onein the further future. Yeah, yeah, me too. Me Too. Ithink we're setting some really good groundwork for this next year, like yousaid, and and potentially even when, in real life tournaments come back.I mean it's very speculative right now and I've comparing kind of later and laterdates of you know, you're hearing about the vaccine in America at the veryleast being rolled out slower than expected and you know, and so maybe midwaythrough next year seems very optimistic. And potentially not even having enough heard immunityuntil two thousand and twenty one or two thousand and twenty two. So,you know, maybe there's a maybe there's a world where the competitive scene inperson and online, are both, like, you know, as big as theyare now. And I certainly can see that. I mean the seedsare planted. I think they're very strong and very hardy plants that are beingsewed right now. And so, you know, world where there is inperson and online tournaments with the frequency that we've seen I think is extremely doable, especially as we get more and more and more players entering the scene everyday absolute the now is a perfect time for us to transition over any questionsyou have in chat. If you have any questions about, you know,a tep and it's impact or well, our thoughts are in the year,feel free to drop those here. Will answer a couple before we sign offfor the day. You know, overall, I thinkk we had a good runthis year. All things I think...

...so. Yeah, yeah, Ithink so. Too Hot. How about the podcast? How do you thinkwe did this year? Well, I think I think we did well,honestly. I mean we stayed pretty on top of our game, even whenwe were unsure what to talk about for a couple weeks. And it alwaysseems that way, though. It's like they're never seems to be yea,there always seems to be something we can talk about. It always seems like, okay, we'll have a we'll have a shorter episode this week, andthen, no, it never happens. That way. Always goes, youknow, forty five minutes or an hour. That is so true. It's stilling. Asking if I'll stream some more tcg oh. It's something that Iwould like to do. It's something I think about doing a lot. Theonly inhibiting factors just how much I work. So I don't really plug in mylike normal computer like the Peter would do the podcasts on throughout the week. Usually I just leave my work set up throughout most of the week,so it'd basically be on the weekends only. So if there's like a good eventthat I'm in on the weekend, I would definitely consider it, butusually I end up sleeping into yeah, I mean, you work so much, Riley, that you got to take a break sometime. So yeah,I do play tcg oh, but usually what I'm playing CCO. I justwant to have like ten minutes to myself. I just play bad party, though. Yeah, sure, Sure, cinema cysts, cinema scith says thatI hope pokemon releases an expanded tool kid. That's something that we've definitely referenced hereon the on the cast again. But, Riley, what do youthink? You're the likelihood of an American trainer tool kit for the expanded formatwould be? Do you think it's something that is even being discussed? Youthink it's something that could reasonably be implemented? I think it's probably something that's beingdiscussed at the very least. I'm just based on the based on thetransparency and the kinds of things we've had released in the past year, itseems incredibly likely that they're discussing something like that. You know, I thinkthey're. The big question marks are primarily around like tropical beach right, andhow they're going to handle that. I think Pokemon is more concerned about thatthan you know. reputting an aspect isn't that big of a deal. They'vedone that before, but the beaches are really I think that's the thing thatpeople want anyway out of this and I'm not sure they know how to handlethat. It seems weird. I mean I almost like I just never reallyunderstood why they went away from beaches as like the world's Promo, because thatseems like a very nice distribution form right where you you're putting a lot ofbeaches into the sphere. But I almost feel like they didn't intend for theworld's promo to be so good, you know, I don't think they intendedfor that, and beach was like too good and and so they stop productionof it right like. That has a scratch my I guess. I mean, yeah, it's weird, right, because you have tropical beach where it'slike very thematic, right when they were releasing beaches, we were having beachthemed world's right, where they were locations on a beach, and then whenyou have, you know, things like Washington DC or things like Nashville,you know it probably doesn't thematically fit in with that Promo, but still Ijust feel like there could have been something done with the beaches that makes themstill that exclusive. It doesn't completely tank the value but also tries to geta few more into players hands so that they're not limited and expanded yeah,man, easy thing is to do like the juniper effect, where you canlike have a different named card that can't be played in the same deck orsomething. Sure, sure, absolutely, but you know whom to speak,Pokemon in this case. I think that's the problem is. I think that'sthe thing people really want out of an expanded tool kit in the states and, you know, in generally like the West, and I don't know ifPokemon is able to make that call. I was going to say that seemslike the least likely card, like, if we're talking about what would actuallygo into an expanded tool kit, that seems to me the least likely cardto actually make it into right. And I think to an extent they wantto be fair to people who, like, own these beaches and have been toworld's or have, you know, paid for them and exorbitant amounts,and you know, they want to be fair to those people as well.Yeah, that's it's not right, and I mean again grand scheme of things, if we're talking about like comparison values, like whatever a beach is worth now, you know, somewhere between what to fifty and four hundred dollars.Getting a place out of that, like all a lot of other major cardgames have that kind of like increased price point for like most of their decks, and so when we're talking about like a very niche card for very nichedecks in a format that you don't even have to participate in to, youknow, play the game on a competitive level, there's just, you know, maybe some arguments as well. They're for not re printing Pope Tropical Beach, for sure, for sure. So...

...gyroscope evy says, give me onenon pokemon highlight of the year. Riley, what's a non pokemon? I thoughtyou're going to go first because you at out the question. I thinkfor me it's probably to that I would call out one. My fiscal healthhas been really, really good this past year. I've been very into workingout and I think I think it's paid off. I'm definitely a lot strongerand I feel a lot like generally better about myself. Still like obviously awork of progress, a kind of always is, but that's something I've beenreally dedicated to. And also, in spite of everything, I've made reallygood friends with one of my neighbors were in the past year. Oh Nice, so I haven't you know, it's easy for someone like myself who livesalone in an apartment, to kind of like really suffer and loneliness, butI you know, I made a new friend who lives right next to meand so we're able to hang out often not have to worry as much becausewe're basically each other's social circle. And also I've had a really good timelike online experiences with my friends. I've reconnected with some folks from high school. We meet on discord and play video games. That's been I think it'sactually been like a decent year for me on the whole, in spite ofeverything. Sure you did. It's been. Yeah, that's been all right.Let's see highlights. I don't know. The Youtube has been a really goodhighlight recently for me. It's been Super Fun. Over the last monthwe've had like an increase of seven hundred subscribers on the youtube, which Imean for a pokemon trading card game channel, is like pretty impressive. I wouldsay I'm very happy with the direction that the Youtube is gone. Sothat is definitely been recent highlight. Has Been really funny because we were talkinglike a month like you can very clearly see the date that we were talkingabout. Oh, you know, I just feel kind of down with things. And then pretty much we talked about a little bit on the podcast andthen, you know, going from there or that point, you see theinflection where just like everything just kind of rose like to an UN unreal degreein that you know, month and a half or whatever. So that's prettycool. Yeah, you guys should definitely check out JOWC to he don't already, like I act, legitimately watch the videos every day, not just becauseI'm his friend, but I think they're fun to watch. Well, thankyou, Riley, appreciate we'll take one more question before we sign off here, and that's what pokemon would you like to see? You GET A Vand a futures set. Have you POKEMON wish list? POKEMON wish list him? Well, dragon night, of course I can be my favorite. Iwould really I mean I also like like a king draw. I think kingdraw or blossom. Those are also my favorite Pokemon, but still like Ifeel like they'd make a really epic Pokemon V. I don't know if theyhave v Max's. They probably don't, because I don't mean they could,but they could write exactly like a King Dr Vmax. What would that looklike? Maybe the snout like goes out a little bit more something, Idon't know. Are Like Blossom v Max like. Well, The v Magisdon't have to be Gigganto Max is right, like there's some V maxes that arejust the normal pokemon but bigger, like dragon ful. Oh, okay, see that, and that's where my that's right, innocence about the Gamescomes in. Yeah, but I would say those. Yeah, I wouldsay those. This would be pretty cool. I would love to see. Thisis like Goofy, but I would love to see like an allow andpokemon get the you know, they'll let them die, let them come back. Yeah, sure, I don't know. Like in a lowland Ridehue v wouldbe cool. Or looking a little in Persian be you would be reallyfunny, like something. Actually, no, I know, I that seems likeseems like a horrible pokemon. Yeah, it like an a little and ridewould be cool or on right cool, but a low and persion. Justget that out of here. I don't want that energy in my life. For sure. I don't know. I would like to see some sortof like older generation off facts. Well, and night tails obviously classic a littleand Pokemon? Yeah, without a fairy type. For the first timeyou get a psychic alone and nine tails, which would be kind of Dead Dad. That would be really cool. So I think that's my wish list. Besides, just like standard cool pokemon. Well, here it is, theend of two thousand and twenty in podcast form. Thank you, guysall, for being amazing listeners viewers. If you haven't already and you're listeningon your favorite podcasting platform, please make sure to leave us a like,a review, a comments even tell us how we did great, tell ushow we could do better. That is something that we read and we taketo heart absolutely. Thank you all so...

...much for the support throughout two thousandand twenty and look forward to more tag team content in two thousand and twenty. One by Ron. Yeah, you see you guys next year.

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