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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 18 · 1 year ago

3-18. Goodbye 2020!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back for the last time in 2020- ready to review the hot-off-the-presses ADP ban by Limitless and discuss how the year went overall. Come check it out!

Yo, what U up? Guys, welcome to the TAG team podcast, the POKEMON trading card games. For me, your podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined, as always, buy my good, good friend JW creewall. Jw has a hanging today. It's hang a pretty well, Riley, just having a couple of days, you know, well, more like a week with my wife, just hanging out doing the things that we like to do. playboard games, watch, you know, films, for sure, to Bible Studies, I don't know, it just a lot of a lot of good time has been spent these last couple of weeks. So how about you? What's going on with you? I know you were a little bit of a workaholic last night. Yeah, I was trying to get a lot of stuff done before the New Year because we have some like development deadlines that are coming up done. So I work pretty late yesterday, but I worked. I had all of last week off, which was really nice, and I have the rest of this week off, which is nice, so kind of getting some rest in there to make up for it. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of funny that, you know, we've been so consistent and then last week we had talked about, you know, we'll be back, or two weeks ago we're like back at the same time, same place, and then we were not, and then also again this week we are delayed. It's just very funny how consistent we can be and then and then right at the end of the year we kind of like trip up at the finished fe but still every single they stay encount there being an episode. That's think that's still something else before. Absolutely. So, how is your Christmas? Man, you get anything fun or exciting? I'm not particularly at the older you get, I think the less you should expect. Yeah, that goes about saying, and you know, it seems to be pretty frequently that I'll get some type of sock or some type of underwear, and this year was no different. Did get a pair of socks from my parents in law. The funny thing was that I was also getting like I got like a bar of soap which was like a designer bar of soap. So I'm not very nice, I'm not mad about it. It's just, you know, it's kind of interesting to see the progression. So smell a little bit. Well, that's I know. I was like hey, I need to like not take offense to this because I'm sure that they I'm sure that there's no alterior meaning behind this. But yeah, so I got a bar soap. Let's see, I got the I guess, the biggest thing, the best thing that I did get, which wasn't actually an intended Christmas gift, but at my parents in law's house they had this old xbox that had not been used as an xbox three hundred and sixty just like hadn't been used. Apparently it was like a gift at a car dealership or something where, you know, you buy a car and they give you, you know, some prize. You spin the wheel or something, they give you a prize. So they had this xbox one hundred and sixty and really been played and been signed into like maybe one time to create a profile, and it was just sitting down in their basement and, you know, I found it. I was like hey, is anyone using this and they're like no, you can have it, and so I guess that would be my best gift. That's got a cool intended for me. So yeah, I was able to pick up some games. The other day picked up sky rim, so I'm gonna go enjoy that probably later today. Yeah, assassin's creed to is on the sixty as all. The game is really good. That's why I think my favorite assassin's creedy. And I think, okay, yeah, because as somebody that's never I've never owned an xbox and my limited interaction with Xbox has been primarily through sports games. Sure if, yeah, and NHL and things like that. So do you have any recommendations? You said assassin's creed to. Again, I don't have any experience with, you know, the elder scrolls or the the assassin's creeds or the gods of war, anything like that. A God of war is on the playstation PS two. Now I'm thinking, Oh, gears of war, maybe ears of wars on the ice box. I've never played the years of war games. I don't. I only have the three hundred and sixty out of all the XBOXES. Okay, but I'm primarily I used it as like a modern warfare machine, which isn't really you know, there's no online for it now, so it doesn't really make sense. But gassin's creed was a really good game. I played the final fantasy game, the final fantasy thirteen, was pretty fun. There's a couple other games. The Connect Games are actually really fun, but you need to connect to do that. Yeah, kind of not feeling that, but they are fun if you like, if you enjoy like the we kind of just dance. So connect versions are like better versions of that. Sure, sure, that's awesome. What did you get, Riley? Not a lot either, you know, just like you. You know, getting little tricks for my parents and that's just enough to make me happy. They did find me as some of those mega constructs, like pokemon sets, which is kind of...

...cool. So they got me like a larger Pikachu set and then they got me a smaller set, which was like a collection of smaller Pokmon, but the each came in a poke ball and it was like there's one of the Great Ball, there's one in a luxury ball, there's one in the poke ball. Obviously it's that was pretty cool. Okay, I like the poke ball is probably the best out of it because it was like really neat to have all the different poke balls. Sure. So, other than that, though, you know, it pretty like standard. fier got a bunch of clothes this year. Like, for those of you aren't, we're like, I've been trying to bulk up a lot the past year. So it's like I don't fit as well into the smallest that I used to wear. More of it like a medium or a large now, depending on the brand. So a lot of the CLU I'm like trying to revamp my wardrobe very slowly, because it's very expensive to do revamp your war jobe. So my parents kind of gave me a little stimulus package there. They got me some sweachers and some wow, that's that's really nice. Yeah, and and it's it could be kind of tough also buying for yourself because, at least for me, I'm always second guessing whether or not I actually like the purchase that I'm making. And so to just have been gifted something, yeah, you know, it takes all that guess work out of like do I actually really enjoy this? Do I not? You know, yeah, for sure. I'm definitely pretty frugal myself. I have to like to go fore confidence something to buy it right exactly, exactly. But overall, successful Christmas and of course, just you know, ny time people who matter is always a good a good fair. Speaking of Christmas, I wanted to take a quick second here. If you are listening to this and it's still there's Day, the thirty one of two thousand and twenty. You still have time to enter our give away here for the Zashim v Battle Deck plus the trainer Tool Kit. Though, if you haven't entered deet, be sure to go to twitter, check out tag team pokemon and resweet and like that sweet there so you can be entered into the giveaway. It's a free to enter give away. I'll get to enter. Do is give you a resweet and like and follow, and we're excited to give this out. So, and this ends to night, the thirty one at midnight eastern. Get your entries and now. It should be great for someone that maybe has played a lot online but maybe doesn't have, you know, the in person cards yet is looking to maybe play in person if they have a store that's running, you know, in person events, or if they're, you know, just playing around the house. So it should be a great little thing for those that, you know, maybe play online a lot but don't really have the cards for current standard. Yeah, and a lot of these cards should be ones that are pretty like sustainable along term as well, even if you don't get out play for a while. Zashi and obviously will be a staple and standard for yours to come. The denny will be a stable and expanded for yours to come. ATP polly as well, we'll be a stable and expanded so definitely want to get your hands on these. Yeah, absolutely. And speaking of ATP, perfect transition over INSER. Our next topic today, limitless finally took the plunge. JW. They they did. It's been a very interesting last week where limitless announced that they would be officially, at least for the foreseeable future, banning ADP from any of their events. Yeah, and so if you've been listening to the podcast for a while, you know that ATP being banned as been kind of a discussion point ever since rotation. You know it's will really championing that movement or early on into the format, but still to be an ongoing discussion this entire time here. And limitless finally said, Hey, let's let's try it out, and so they announced that, you want to happen once for a month coming here, that they're going to have ATP band of their events and it's going to be like a trial run and from there, if it is largely successful, they maybe will continue to ban it or if it's many unsuccessful they'll take it away. They had a really great right up kind of explaining their decision. I think it goes over like a lot of the talking points that we've had in the PODCAST and you know you've seen over twitter, but it was really eloquently put though. If you're unfamiliar with some of the logic there, I recommend checking it out. It's really centers around, you know, how does ATP INTERACT THE FORMAT? What kind of games does it have? And I it makes a lot of sense in on paper. So, dw what are your thoughts around this band here? I mean this is a pretty big deal. ATP has been the most popular deck at pretty much every event since the format started. Yeah, and I mean we're seeing a slight shift away from it recently, but it certainly has been an absolute force pretty much the entirety of this format. Like you said, I would expect not a ton to change early on. I mean you still look at a deck like Peak Ram, you know Bill Cephalon a turn, it this all...

...being those kinds of decks that can really hold their own pretty much against anything. So I honestly like my initial impression is that it probably doesn't shake things up too much just because of how strong and powerful those decks are and the fact that a lot of those decks can go fairly toe to toe with one prize or. So, for instance, if you're playing in a turn it is deck, you know you have the option to put in an elevated spear tomb count or an elevated, you know, eveltal count right, so where you're going to be a little bit more easily able to trade into the one prize or such. Your opponent might play right and then if they're not playing something fighting, then you know, presumably your turn it is. Could take two, maybe three knockouts before that one prize deck could you knock you out in response. So I and then Peek Arom. You look at it, with the with the tag bowl being very good at kind of disrupting the opponent if they're playing some kind of evolution or one prize deck, I just don't see it making like a huge impact. Certainly early on. I think people will stay with kind of what they know and then it'll be interesting to see how it does change and evolved. I just would suspect that I would see my initial hunch is just that there's not going to be a huge, huge difference between a format with ATP and a format without ATP, just because of how good the other decks are that aren't, you know, named ATP. For sure. Yeah, I mean it's definitely. It's tough, right, because the other decks that are are already met at are so powerful. Yeah, it's not like those are going away and all of a sudden you're going to be able to play whatever rogue deck you want that has horrible matchups. Got Any of those decks? Yeah, so, yeah, I agree that to an extent. I thought it was really interesting. You know, we had a couple months back we had the one tournament where ATP was banned, or like a couple of tournaments and it was always some whacky deck to ended up winning. There was like mad party ended up winning it once. SANTACONDA ended up winning it once, but I almost feel like that was a product of just the fact it was a onetime thing. So people wanted to play something goofy almost that they thought lost to ATP, and specifically I'm thinking of like Santa Con a mad party are kind of decks that have a little bit of a rougher time against ATP, especially the way Mad Party was built at the time that, you know, I don't really know if there's success is sustainable. SANTACONA relies and getting a stage to emplay on. Turn to yeah, or you lose, and mad party is obviously got just some inherent inconsistencies. It is very fun, of course, and right pretty powerful in the grand scheme of things, but I don't know, it just felt like those were almost more responding to the fact that ATP was banned and just wanted to people want to try out their new stuff. While they could sure coorse. I feel like almost in verse to it. You said. I think people will early on tried and do new things as much as possible, but then when they find out like the tried and true is still what's successful, they'll end up like gravitating towards that more. Okay, okay, yeah, I mean I suppose it's kind of yeah, digs into like what people psyches, what people are feeling. I've just to have been noticing a trend of of players right now. You know where you know you're saying, well, maybe earlier in the format ATP was the most played. I mean if we look at some of the most recent tournaments, you know it's more like Peak Rama turn it is even Lucario Mel metal are some of the most played decks right now, is opposed to ATP. So I think you know, just on that alone, like people are already shifting away from ATP and that mindset there. And so I guess that's two different ways of coming about the same problem right where it's like, what is going to happen? I suppose one of us will be right, so we'll have to see who it is. But yeah, it's certainly an interesting kind of proposition here to just take it out of the format entirely. I know a lot of people are kind of shifting away from it, but to just take it out of the format entirely and posing it back to you, Riley, what do you think are some of the decks that are maybe inhibited so much by the fact that ATP exists that when it gets removed from the format they can really thrive? Sure that I think primarily we have to look at slower strategies and one prize decks as like the two groups of depths to look at. So when I think of slower strategies. Controlled X obviously one that springs to mind. You know, decks that are trying to plow through the whole deck and use x Coul drill or some other means of disrupting your opponent continuously. Those can't really deal with ATP. I guess even seeking is a debt will struggle in the face of ATP right. But you know, primarily I'm thinking it more like ex could drill and scoop up net kind of focus decks. I think those true actually might be able to find a niche for themselves. They're definitely really good against turn it is I don't know how they'll fair against peek here on heavy Meta. Sure, and I almost it's almost interesting because decks like Anaconda, just,...

...you know, going further onto left field, are pretty good at dealing with those kind of control x because they can continually for cycle and move around their energies. So you know, it could it's almost like what is the end game here? Is You know, it's Santaconda going to come out because people are playing control deck? I don't really think so, but you know, something worth thinking about. Yeah, so I think that's probably going to be the one of the main benefactors because they think it has okay matchups against some of the some of the field in general, these control strategies, but it really can't keep up with ATP in most games. So I think I'm excited to see if anything can come out of that. You know, I'm sure like Sander Sanders going to come up with something crazy, but who knows? And then the other archetype of strategy is going to be just like more one prize attacking kind of strategies. You know, we've seen people try and play stuff like spirit tomb with capes early on in the format and thinking that was really good. I hesitate to say that I think that has sustainable long term success because tool scrapper really, really is harmful to the spirit team strategy. Sure, so, I don't know. Spear tunes the Deck Up Choice for one prisers and really I feel like the best one prizes in general or the are like the ones that are already being played. So let's Cephalon is already like such a solid strategy in general and people are really I feel like at this point people are really like grinding down, optimizing how you should be playing with Stuffali like know, Justin the grahmerant counts and the three prize a counts even. Yeah, so you know, I have tate to say that on the one prize front, people things will be too disruptive. I think what'll more likely happen is some of these like a little bit slower to prize strategies will benefit. Sure. So, you know, things that I don't even know what top my head. Santa Conda is like the one I'll keep coming back to, but there's plenty of other like to prize Pokemon, that could benefit the one. The one thing that I'm excited about, just generally speaking, no matter what decks end up, you know, kind of rising or falling based on this band, is that we will be able to see a little bit, I think, safer and and more more calculated Gameplay, in the sense that a lot of players won't have to worry about mawhile being played anymore. Right, yeah, while I was kind of this card that is pretty much solely played in the ATP deck in order to create a situation where you know, you can essentially get an auto win, even if, even if you know the the board, it board presence isn't in your favor. Right, you can just slap at Dennie from your opponents and down and all of a sudden you open the you know, routing up to that, you know, being able to knock that out and then knock out another two prize Pokemon for the win. So I'm really excited about losing that element of the format, I think, more so, more so than losing ATP, I mean, because we all know like the problems ATP presents, but more so than that, like being able to play a deck and make decisions in advance and not have to worry about having that to Denn a ripped from your hand or having that Crowbat rip from your hand when you didn't want it, but also being able to play around it, you know, being able to play around like if you do need to play one down right. So I'm just really excited about that aspect it, which is kind of an auxiliary effect of the ATP band, and just what it'll do in terms of maybe, I don't know, helping like a deck I think that really hurts from well, all decks really hurt from small well, but something like sent to Scorch, I feel like, is a deck that really just gets kind of handcuffed in the early game where they're trying to, you know, dig through their deck a little bit, and then they might just have a hand stuck with with the Dedenne and that's just never good in that kind of a situation. So, anyway, really excited about mob while being gone. Long Story Short, I just think of another one price stateg I think might benefit. X could drill, I think, will actually be a pretty big benefactor, especially if we think, yeah, especially if we anticipate like Pik Ramin it turn it is to stick around and such high quantities. You know, extra drill really just needs to get over the ATP hum and its bodies, those other decks, right. So sure I could actually see that get being a better factor. Yeah, it could be really fun. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Makes you wonder, though, like would it, you know, would something like colossal have a better matchups now as well? It would? That be the deck of choice, for sure. Another point I wanted to bring up as well, and this was emphasized in the limitless right up, is a lot of people are playing anator's energy disruption. I think the primary two targets, I've said disruption, are ATP and a turn. It is, but some of these more one prize kind of decks and kind of hang with the...

...turn has a little bit better, I would say, than ATP what do you think is going to be the impact of this change in terms of crushing hammer and yell grunts presence in the Meta? Sure, I mean you're absolutely right. These one prize decks kind of are forced to play Hammers, I guess, unless you're something like mad party, which is trying to just do damage. But like if you are an extra drill like those things are playing hammers just to avoid that that ultra creation coming down. So, you know, it could have some kind of auxiliary benefit. Like I think we'll just see a general decrease in hammers. I still think hammer is a a generally good card. I mean, I turned it is you site as being one of the primary reasons to play, but I also think in like the peak around matchup for a lot of decks, you know, being able to hammer off and energy early could make some sort of difference in terms of you know, I think it's even better against lightning me to. People were lightning me to. Yeah, that's another great one. Yeah, probably even better than PEK UM. But yeah, it could be one of those kind of auxiliary benefits that we see from you know well, Hammer is probably best against ATP, and so if there's no ATP to worry about, maybe those slots can go to something else. So I would say probably not a huge decrease, but certainly I would imagine that it would trend, you know, down. The card being played would trend down. You think there's any decks that will stoffer from ATP being gone, like dect that primarily try to focus in on ATP? That's a good question. I'm honestly I'm not too sure about that. I mean because you look at what had like a favorable winning percentage against ATP and they all, like all the matchups kind of hover around pretty even from my for my experience, except like maybe sent to Scorch is probably a negative matchup for ATP. So I'm not too sure how it would affect fair enough, and and then might not be anything that like ends up suffering from the lack of an ATP. Peasants. Yeah, figured ier toss it out there. Sure. Now that's a good thing to think about. If anyone has any suggestions you're listening to the podcast, let us know, because that would be kind of curious to explore. So first take in an atpless metagame, what would be the deck that you try out or bring to a tournament? Well, I I mean I like mad party a lot. Is like a deck that I wouldn't normally play that I would feel very comfortable playing in an atplus format. I would feel fairly comfortable playing it in an ATP filled format. But just to say like that would be a cool deck that I would feel interested more interested in playing. And then the other deck that I think I would feel more interested in playing would be something like a real boom where you're trying to engage your opponent with a three prizer to start and then you know like multiple two prizers, and then you also are kind of a clunky deck, so you do need your Dednn a or Crowbat in that midgame and so you're trying to, you know, have this long game that ATP can just really kind of run over if they get the right start and if you have the bench the wrong things right. So that would be another deck that I would look to to be, you know, be something that you know it could reasonably play. And Yeah, yeah, I think those are the two that I would look into if I if I wasn't going to play something like a turnity, which I think is probably my favorite deck right now. For sure, for sure, you in the boom box, then you love that, then it's great. It's great. Yeah, it's really fun. I love double. I love, you know, my boy rolling alone executor. So any time back can play him, I will. I'm glad to hear the mad party representation, though I know I always stand mad partiers. I feel like, now that I've mentioned it, I actually think I said drill would be like pretty good. It seems good right, like I'm just thinking third of my head. They feel like extra Doo can hang with a lot of the one prizers and it's one of the best decks at picking off the two frisers on the bench because it plays all these like you know, it plays the great catchers already just part of the strategy the deck and it hits them for weakness. There's no like damage ramping you have to do to hit to kill the Danna's in the crow bats. Obviously Ki Kuram's going to suffer in the face of an extra drill at turn. It is. Look, I kind of want to try that. Sure, yeah, that seems great. That seems great. I'm trying to think of like potential counters to excua drill, like what would be ex coul drill's worst matchup? I've probably colossal, I would guess. Yeah, probably, sure. I don't know. Sure, maybe, mad party, if they can get a first you know, first turn, knockout, right, because then you're just not able to trade. Yeah, it probably well. Well, mad party, and I guess I think that party plays a lot of supprises. Yes, so would be like you're a battle a great catcher draws. Yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah, Huh, is is ex could drill just the busted? I don't know, I want to try it out. That's that's how.

Let us know on twitter, though, if you have any decks that you're excited to try out at an ATPLIS metagame and you're not looking to keep them hush hush until your next tournament. We'd love to hear what she got going on there. Be Great. Let's Segue and though, to our next topic here, which is, as always, our card of the day. It W found something special for us to bring us home in two thousand and twenty. What you got? Well, it's really a whole kind of card of the day would be too too focused, because I really more want to focus on the artist of the day, because they make a very specific style of card and these are very unique. They blend this kind of cartoon element of pokemon with the natural world and I find the cards to be very exciting, very interesting and a lot of times these cards there this artist depicts kind of the basic forms of Pokemon, but doing so in this style like the the basically the state, you know, the basic and then obviously, like the stage one, or stage too might be a different artist, but they oftentimes depict the kind of these weaker Pokemon, but putting them in the setting kind of really humanizes it or makes it more real for me. And so the artist that I want to highlight and the card that I want to highlight is Yuka more. He's Venus or and Snivey gx. I think this card is a beautiful it's the alternate art for the Venus Ord scusing the Promo art for the sort and Snivey gx card, and it's just great that it's she's a clay artist and so it makes the models in clay and then puts them into a real world setting and I find it to be very interesting, very captivating. And they've been an artist for Pokemon for twenty years, so you can see back. I think their first works were in the NEO series. Shuckle comes to mind for me as a card that I like very distinctly remember from that time. But I just always remember seeing these cards and they're just so unique and so cool with that blend of the cartoony clay animation that they already have or the clay style that she already has and then putting it into that, you know, real world setting. It's just it's kind of to me it's like how I imagine pokemon actually being. You know, we always have these kind of artist renditions of pokemon in the real world and they look a little too they look a little too real, you know, they look a little too group and this kind of still has that very distinct separation all while keeping it, you know, in the realm of possibility, I suppose. So I love that. I love her istuff and love the card. Yeah, my one of my roommates in college actually collected all of the clay cards. He has a binder fully to slip through and it's all the clay cares. They're so fun. I it's honestly, when I think of a pokemon are, she's probably one of the most iconic like artists. You know, when you think of obviously you think of when you think of POKEMON cards like base at Charis Art is one of the first cards that comes to mind, but when you think of like trends of art, I feel like the clay are is really distinctive and it's something that I think of when I think of pokemon cards. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely, and I just don't I don't know like another tcg that that has an art like this and I don't know that it would necessarily and maybe there is. Maybe there is, I just haven't seen it, but you know, it just so perfectly fits for pokemon. That's it's brilliant, really it is. It is. And I vanusors Ivy, once you said that it was going to be like an artist, I wondered if it was going to be the clay so and then he said the Venus Arts Navvy, so it all came together there. Yeah, I don't know this. There's something about the Venus Oart snobby, because I think when I first looked at the card. I actually didn't notice that it was her artwork. It just like, I don't know. Again, it's this kind of thing where it just it's so natural for me to look at it and I don't really know what I thought. But like you go back and look at it and it's like wow, this is just such a cool way that they combined the the real world in the clay and it just it just it's so seamless that you don't really even think that it's clay. Right. So I guess that's the that's kind of the takeaway that I get from it. But just a beautiful card, beautiful card, absolutely well. Thank you for that. You W Awesome Art Day for us here. So, speaking of you know, x of the X, we wanted to talk about some highlights of the year. Yeah, you know, obviously it's going to be the last episode of Two Thousand and twenty. It had right year for the PODCAST. Not so a great year on the whole, necessarily for someone obvious reasons. Yeah, hopefully to you that's well as a listener. But we want to shed some light on some things that we thought were particular pokemon highlights in the Year of two thousand and twenty. JW, why...

...don't you kick US off here? What would you say? It was a, you know, defining feature of two thousand and twenty in like a positive way. Yeah, well, I think that I will say that there have been just a lot of creators that have come out and really started things up during quarantine. I think that's been a generally good thing for the game, because our game is very small compared to a lot of other games, and so the more people that we can have contributing to this, to content creation, you know, the more voices we have represented, the more we can draw in New People to this game where they find that they have a home somewhere, and I really think that that's very valuable. So, you know, you look at just I mean even looking at, you know, a very like quantifiable, very easy to like count on your fingers, like example would be Pokemon podcasts, which, over the quarantine, you know, we've seen, you know, a few crop up right and a few more crop up, and so you know, that's that's great. Like again, the more voices that we can have, the more representation that we can have, is is awesome. And then the the the tournament scene has been really interesting and I would kind of lump that in with just content creation in general, because you're creating, I mean you're creating not necessarily content, but you're creating some kind of product that the community can use, and so that is another awesome things, just seeing all these new tournaments and new series and relatively like, I don't know, I relatively maybe unknown or under I don't want to say underperforming, but relatively unknown, people kind of create something very, very cool and now all of a all of a sudden become kind of this you know, this this force in the community. I mean you look at lap, the hegster tournaments, you look at like the chill tournaments, the Crolo tournaments, I mean you have all these tournaments that are popping up from people that, you know, I had no idea who they were before they started these tournaments, and now they're on you know, pretty much if you're a competitive player, you're there on your radar. So I think that's very cool. Absolutely. Absolutely. It's been super cool to see everyone kind of come together as a community, be and bolster each other up in a way, you know, making a scene for ourselves, kind of grass rooms element of it was really cool. Yeah, it's pretty amazing what is happening with some of these tournaments getting, you know, multiple hundreds of people every single like we multiple times a week potentially. You know, it's pretty wild what like. I just would never have imagined this if you would have told me that, okay, Pokemon is going to go, you know, pokemon is going to go essentially put in two thousand and twenty. If you had told me that in two thousand and nineteen and you'd have said, what do you think the scene is going to look like if there are no in person tournaments, I would have said, well, you know, might be time to find in a new game, you know, might be time to play magic green or something like that. But now we have, as a community, come together and, like you, just look through the page here. You know, a lot of people are on break, obviously for December, but one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine, ten, eleven, twelve thirteen. That's in the last two weeks thirteen tournaments have had over, you know, a hundred and fifty players, which is just wild to me. I would never have thought that that can possibly happen. For sure, for sure. You know, when I first realize that we probably weren't going to have another in person tournament in two thousand and twenty. I was legitimately concerned that the POKEMON scene would like die as a result, you know, that we wouldn't be able to sustain having an online only kind of game and, you know, we'd fall apart. And the community really came the other and created something awesome for itself. Yeah, I and I remember those days too, because we were like, Oh man, what do we do with the podcast? Like, yeah, what do we talk about? Like there was a period of time where there was like some pretty legitimate concern that we were just okay, maybe we'll take a few months off. But yeah, it's been it's been pretty wild, very cool stuff. So how about for you, Riley, what's been a highlight of two thousand and twenty for you in the pokemon scene? Sure, and I kind of want to take the flip side of that. Or I want to say that pokemon themselves has has done a really good job of supporting the community in this time. You know, they haven't had, you know, the sheer cadence of tournaments, but they've had the players cops, which I think it's been a really good first step and introducing like the true competitive seeen the online frame, and they've gotten iteratively better. The Players Cup two is a much better system than Players Cup one. Obviously it's been super cool to have that, like actual pokemon involvement, price support. You get the real castors, the real stream super cool. I would also extend that, though. One...

...thing I think pokemon has done really phenomenally well recently especially, is their products have been absolutely unreal it feels like they actually have their ear to the competitive scene. They are building things with the intent of supporting competitive players. You know, you have this ostion battle deck, you have the trainer's tool kit, you have all sorts of resources now available to you to make getting into the game so easy and so for fun. As someone WHO's trying to get into the game for the first time, you know, I know when I first gotten a trading card games like the prospect of having to buy all these singles was really intimidating to me. You know, I wanted to just buy the products and get into the game that way, and Pokemon has opened up the door for someone to do that. Like you can just buy a couple products and you're ready to play the game. One of one of the beautiful things that, you know, pokemon has as opposed to other card games is this really big, you know, price difference. Right. It is now, especially with the battle league decks, just so cheap to to get into, and that's I mean. It's not to say that you won't have to supplement the battle league decks. It's not too early battle decks. It's not to mean that you know you're going to have like a perfect tier one deck or that you won't ever have to buy cards in the future, but just the fact that they are produced, that they are available and that Pokemon is leaning into the cheap like it was already a relatively cheap game. When you look at, you know, something like magic or even something like hearthstone, which I understand has a lot of you know, yeah, that you need a lot of time or money to invest into, but it was already a relatively cheap game and now it's even cheaper and I think that's a huge win for us as a competitive community. Yeah, and so I guess the point I'm getting at underlying and even the collection sets, like the atternety collection is phenomenal. Yeah, there's all sorts of things that are really just because so easy. Yeah, so I what the point I'm getting at is, I guess, is people like the harp and Pokemon a lot for like not caring about the competitive seem and balanced decisions that they've made. But I feel like at least the people who are able to do stuff for us are trying really hard to do the right things. You know, not every single employee at Pokemon has the power to ban cards, but they can at least say, you know, let's let's put products to make things accessible, let's have these tournaments to, you know, give people a chance to get into the game and, you know, I think they've been doing a good job this year. So, yeah, it's been awesome to see like the extra involvement in Pokemon and the competitive see, where as I feel like in past years you couldn't say that to the same degree that that was happening. Yeah, yeah, there definitely has been a lot of transparency and there's been a lot of, like you said, kind of they've shown it in their actions that they do actually care about us. You know, it hasn't been, you know, maybe as much as some people want. You know, certainly there's always room to do more, but the fact that it's happening at all gives me a lot of hope for the future that, you know, if they keep like, if they keep releasing these kinds of decks every single year, I mean we're gonna you know, I think pokemon is just really in a good position if they continue on this current trend. Exactly, exactly agree hundred percent. So overall, you know, the year was definitely stunted. was definitely not the best year in Pokemon history, but I think we've made a solid piece of history for ourselves this year as a whole. You know, as a community we've built something great and I'm excited to see where that carry is us into two thousand and twenty one in the further future. Yeah, yeah, me too. Me Too. I think we're setting some really good groundwork for this next year, like you said, and and potentially even when, in real life tournaments come back. I mean it's very speculative right now and I've comparing kind of later and later dates of you know, you're hearing about the vaccine in America at the very least being rolled out slower than expected and you know, and so maybe midway through next year seems very optimistic. And potentially not even having enough heard immunity until two thousand and twenty one or two thousand and twenty two. So, you know, maybe there's a maybe there's a world where the competitive scene in person and online, are both, like, you know, as big as they are now. And I certainly can see that. I mean the seeds are planted. I think they're very strong and very hardy plants that are being sewed right now. And so, you know, world where there is in person and online tournaments with the frequency that we've seen I think is extremely doable, especially as we get more and more and more players entering the scene every day absolute the now is a perfect time for us to transition over any questions you have in chat. If you have any questions about, you know, a tep and it's impact or well, our thoughts are in the year, feel free to drop those here. Will answer a couple before we sign off for the day. You know, overall, I thinkk we had a good run this year. All things I think...

...so. Yeah, yeah, I think so. Too Hot. How about the podcast? How do you think we did this year? Well, I think I think we did well, honestly. I mean we stayed pretty on top of our game, even when we were unsure what to talk about for a couple weeks. And it always seems that way, though. It's like they're never seems to be yea, there always seems to be something we can talk about. It always seems like, okay, we'll have a we'll have a shorter episode this week, and then, no, it never happens. That way. Always goes, you know, forty five minutes or an hour. That is so true. It's stilling. Asking if I'll stream some more tcg oh. It's something that I would like to do. It's something I think about doing a lot. The only inhibiting factors just how much I work. So I don't really plug in my like normal computer like the Peter would do the podcasts on throughout the week. Usually I just leave my work set up throughout most of the week, so it'd basically be on the weekends only. So if there's like a good event that I'm in on the weekend, I would definitely consider it, but usually I end up sleeping into yeah, I mean, you work so much, Riley, that you got to take a break sometime. So yeah, I do play tcg oh, but usually what I'm playing CCO. I just want to have like ten minutes to myself. I just play bad party, though. Yeah, sure, Sure, cinema cysts, cinema scith says that I hope pokemon releases an expanded tool kid. That's something that we've definitely referenced here on the on the cast again. But, Riley, what do you think? You're the likelihood of an American trainer tool kit for the expanded format would be? Do you think it's something that is even being discussed? You think it's something that could reasonably be implemented? I think it's probably something that's being discussed at the very least. I'm just based on the based on the transparency and the kinds of things we've had released in the past year, it seems incredibly likely that they're discussing something like that. You know, I think they're. The big question marks are primarily around like tropical beach right, and how they're going to handle that. I think Pokemon is more concerned about that than you know. reputting an aspect isn't that big of a deal. They've done that before, but the beaches are really I think that's the thing that people want anyway out of this and I'm not sure they know how to handle that. It seems weird. I mean I almost like I just never really understood why they went away from beaches as like the world's Promo, because that seems like a very nice distribution form right where you you're putting a lot of beaches into the sphere. But I almost feel like they didn't intend for the world's promo to be so good, you know, I don't think they intended for that, and beach was like too good and and so they stop production of it right like. That has a scratch my I guess. I mean, yeah, it's weird, right, because you have tropical beach where it's like very thematic, right when they were releasing beaches, we were having beach themed world's right, where they were locations on a beach, and then when you have, you know, things like Washington DC or things like Nashville, you know it probably doesn't thematically fit in with that Promo, but still I just feel like there could have been something done with the beaches that makes them still that exclusive. It doesn't completely tank the value but also tries to get a few more into players hands so that they're not limited and expanded yeah, man, easy thing is to do like the juniper effect, where you can like have a different named card that can't be played in the same deck or something. Sure, sure, absolutely, but you know whom to speak, Pokemon in this case. I think that's the problem is. I think that's the thing people really want out of an expanded tool kit in the states and, you know, in generally like the West, and I don't know if Pokemon is able to make that call. I was going to say that seems like the least likely card, like, if we're talking about what would actually go into an expanded tool kit, that seems to me the least likely card to actually make it into right. And I think to an extent they want to be fair to people who, like, own these beaches and have been to world's or have, you know, paid for them and exorbitant amounts, and you know, they want to be fair to those people as well. Yeah, that's it's not right, and I mean again grand scheme of things, if we're talking about like comparison values, like whatever a beach is worth now, you know, somewhere between what to fifty and four hundred dollars. Getting a place out of that, like all a lot of other major card games have that kind of like increased price point for like most of their decks, and so when we're talking about like a very niche card for very niche decks in a format that you don't even have to participate in to, you know, play the game on a competitive level, there's just, you know, maybe some arguments as well. They're for not re printing Pope Tropical Beach, for sure, for sure. So...

...gyroscope evy says, give me one non pokemon highlight of the year. Riley, what's a non pokemon? I thought you're going to go first because you at out the question. I think for me it's probably to that I would call out one. My fiscal health has been really, really good this past year. I've been very into working out and I think I think it's paid off. I'm definitely a lot stronger and I feel a lot like generally better about myself. Still like obviously a work of progress, a kind of always is, but that's something I've been really dedicated to. And also, in spite of everything, I've made really good friends with one of my neighbors were in the past year. Oh Nice, so I haven't you know, it's easy for someone like myself who lives alone in an apartment, to kind of like really suffer and loneliness, but I you know, I made a new friend who lives right next to me and so we're able to hang out often not have to worry as much because we're basically each other's social circle. And also I've had a really good time like online experiences with my friends. I've reconnected with some folks from high school. We meet on discord and play video games. That's been I think it's actually been like a decent year for me on the whole, in spite of everything. Sure you did. It's been. Yeah, that's been all right. Let's see highlights. I don't know. The Youtube has been a really good highlight recently for me. It's been Super Fun. Over the last month we've had like an increase of seven hundred subscribers on the youtube, which I mean for a pokemon trading card game channel, is like pretty impressive. I would say I'm very happy with the direction that the Youtube is gone. So that is definitely been recent highlight. Has Been really funny because we were talking like a month like you can very clearly see the date that we were talking about. Oh, you know, I just feel kind of down with things. And then pretty much we talked about a little bit on the podcast and then, you know, going from there or that point, you see the inflection where just like everything just kind of rose like to an UN unreal degree in that you know, month and a half or whatever. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, you guys should definitely check out JOWC to he don't already, like I act, legitimately watch the videos every day, not just because I'm his friend, but I think they're fun to watch. Well, thank you, Riley, appreciate we'll take one more question before we sign off here, and that's what pokemon would you like to see? You GET A V and a futures set. Have you POKEMON wish list? POKEMON wish list him? Well, dragon night, of course I can be my favorite. I would really I mean I also like like a king draw. I think king draw or blossom. Those are also my favorite Pokemon, but still like I feel like they'd make a really epic Pokemon V. I don't know if they have v Max's. They probably don't, because I don't mean they could, but they could write exactly like a King Dr Vmax. What would that look like? Maybe the snout like goes out a little bit more something, I don't know. Are Like Blossom v Max like. Well, The v Magis don't have to be Gigganto Max is right, like there's some V maxes that are just the normal pokemon but bigger, like dragon ful. Oh, okay, see that, and that's where my that's right, innocence about the Games comes in. Yeah, but I would say those. Yeah, I would say those. This would be pretty cool. I would love to see. This is like Goofy, but I would love to see like an allow and pokemon get the you know, they'll let them die, let them come back. Yeah, sure, I don't know. Like in a lowland Ridehue v would be cool. Or looking a little in Persian be you would be really funny, like something. Actually, no, I know, I that seems like seems like a horrible pokemon. Yeah, it like an a little and ride would be cool or on right cool, but a low and persion. Just get that out of here. I don't want that energy in my life. For sure. I don't know. I would like to see some sort of like older generation off facts. Well, and night tails obviously classic a little and Pokemon? Yeah, without a fairy type. For the first time you get a psychic alone and nine tails, which would be kind of Dead Dad. That would be really cool. So I think that's my wish list. Besides, just like standard cool pokemon. Well, here it is, the end of two thousand and twenty in podcast form. Thank you, guys all, for being amazing listeners viewers. If you haven't already and you're listening on your favorite podcasting platform, please make sure to leave us a like, a review, a comments even tell us how we did great, tell us how we could do better. That is something that we read and we take to heart absolutely. Thank you all so...

...much for the support throughout two thousand and twenty and look forward to more tag team content in two thousand and twenty. One by Ron. Yeah, you see you guys next year.

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