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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 24 · 11 months ago

3-24. Goodbye World's 2021!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back, but the World Championships in 2021 is out... come listen in to the tale of scalpers, a pandemic, and a Player's Cup.

Yo, what is up? Guys? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hulbert, joined as always by my scrum to deemptious friend JW Curry Wall, Mr Jw Haws. It going and it's goingpretty well. Riley, how are you? It's going great, man, it'sgoing great. Any any new news in the world? A Riley NewNews? Not particularly new. I've been reading a new book recently. Ifyou've been listening to the cast, you heard me reading that thousand page homelast month and my goal for the year was to read a book every month. I'm reading the sequel, the one hundred page home, this month andit's been really good so far. I've stayed up kind of late last night'sreading. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. Yeah, I mean Iyeah, reading is always something I'm like, yeah, I should, I shoulddo that more, and then and then tick tock calls. Yeah,and I just you know, I spend my spend my free hour just scrolling. Yeah, and I kind of have like a very regimented day. Wenton a work day. Usually, honestly, like the Wednesdays when we record,is one of my most breakaway days from that regiment where, you know, I wake up, I work, I go to the gym and workout, I'm back, I make dinner and eat said dinner and then I'mlike done, you know. And so by that I go through all thatand then like also start reading. It gets kind of late and, youknow, then it just bleeds in like morning or I'm tired, but sure, kind of a messy process. They're sure. I hear you. Ihear you. Yeah, I also I don't know if I mentioned this onthe cast yet, but I have resolved to growing out my hair. Ithink I did mention it briefly. My goal is to look like Aaron yeagerfrom attack on Titan with his man. Okay, so, yeah, that'slike what I'm shooting for right now. I was just watching this cool video. It has nothing to do with your hair, but it was about attackon Titan where they made like irl swords. Oh, that's you know how youcould like the breakaway swords or whatever. I suppose I might have seen thattoo. Yeah, it's pretty I love this like weapons channels. Iguess that like make all the fantasy that you don't talk about. Yeah,yeah, no, like they do like the lightsaber. I. Have youseen that? Yeah, lightsabers, when you million views, ors, cameras, like all those kind of y yeah, yeah, I always wonder when they'remaking them, like where do they get their money? Like is itcan't just be off youtube like add her. I mean maybe it can. Ijust seems like a sponsored they usually I like something. Maybe they're sponsored. Yeah, but where do they get like the initial funding? Like isit just two guys in their garage? And then they imagine a lot ofit gets big and kind of start as like passion projects, right, orlike maybe they just have a lot of extra steel or something, so theymake a mule in near and then it's like that blows up and people like, oh, there's a market for this content, like let's sponsor Chrson orwhatever. Sure, I don't know. That could be fair. Yeah,it's a perfect, perfect video to drop like a manscaped at it or something. Yeah, you know, I know what you're saying. Yeah, whatabout you, though? It's been going on. It's just been a lotof coding and I've been managing to fit in some Players Cup tournaments and thenwe've been looking at houses. So if you've been following any of my othercontent on Youtube, you'll know about the house hunt. We've actually put inthree separate offers on three different houses and they've all been one was over theasking price and it just got rejected. Somebody else like went higher than wedid. The other one, they were asking like a little much and wejust couldn't come to terms. And then the last one that we just saw. My wife is really upset. Well, not not upset, she's a littledisappointed. But there was the it was basically just a wide open,wide open living room that like went right...

...into the kitchen, so there's nokind of divider, and then there was a vaulted ceiling so we could haveput like a loft above the kitchen and she was really excited for, youknow, what the space could do and how we could host people and thingslike that. But it ended up apparently selling for like way more than comparablehouses in the area. So it just wasn't yeah, it was like tenzeroor Fifteenzero more than comparable house is in the area and we thought we putin a competitive offer, but you know, it's just when you're going against peoplethat are willing to spend, you know, fifteen more than you,it's going to get a little difficult. So I think that's true for alot of things. Yep, Yep, pretty much, pretty much. Soit's been fun. We've had, you know, is our first kind ofhome. So we're hoping to actually buy a home within, I don't know, six months. There's like a tax credit in Ohio that we can takeadvantage of if we're less than four years out of a master's degree. Soit'd like time is of the essence. We could get a little bit ofmoney back. So we're on the hunt and we got a good realtor who'sreally, you know, looking out for us and knows what we want.So we're hopeful. Well, I wish you the best of luck in thatendeavor. I mean we got some kind of chat even alluding to the housingmarket being a little bit crazy right now. Well, and and the thing is, I mean it's hard to say when it's going to go down.You know, that's the that's the problem right now is just that this mightbe the lowest, you know, it's certainly going to be the lowest,the lowest interest rate that will probably ever be able to get, and soyeah, it's just it's it's very interesting. It's very interesting. We should havebought a house like six months ago. Yeah, very sensible time to buya house. Yep, exactly. So, anyway, on to pokemon. We've had, of course, players cut two, our players come three. Excuse me. That has been, you know, a topic on twitter, a topic on facebook groups and certainly something that I've thought a lot about. Riley, I know that you haven't really played too many keys, butkind of walk me through like you're very, very limited experience, and then maybeI can chat about where I'm at in the process. Yeah, soI if you listen to last week, I was intending to get like thirtykeys done this last weekend really just go through most of them, and Inever really gotten the zone. And so I started playing a couple games onSaturday, which was my intended like sit down and go through my keys day, and I was playing Pe k Ram, you know, true to my word, and I hit an ATP and, you know, all of a suddenjust everything falls apart like, you know, whipping switches, wiving energiesand like I and I'll take responsibility. There's probably things I did wrong withinthere at like contributing factors, but it just was a little bit short andthat was just super frustrating. The game was really tilting. So I tooka quick break refresh my mind. You know, you I talked about theother week how like you shouldn't go tilted into your next game. Yeah,so I refreshed, I came back. It won my first round pretty handily, the peak, and then the next round I played think it was acolossal. It was like some fighting deck. I could pull up my cool docbut it was a fight geting deck of some sort. It might havemight have even been ex could real. I think it was like more roguethan colossal, but it was some like miserable matchup and the MEWTWO's didn't getme there, and so I'm just like man, now I'm extra tilted becauseI just took this break and I came back and then this is also terrible. So yeah, I think it was either two or three keys or I'mjust like I need to stop for the day. I'm just going to befrustrated if I played more pokemon. You know, recenter myself and try itagain later. Yeah, unfortunately, like I was just talking about, mywork day, is usually run kind of long and kind of late by thetime I got through all my routine,...

...so I haven't played a lot duringthe week. I do intend to get through that thirty this weekend and thenkind of plow them out from there. So still intending to get them alldone, obviously, but that really rough start. See what players cut to. I have like good momentum at the start. So when I ran intolike those rougher games, right, like, I had that energy to carry me. But when you start off really it's kind of like going oh oneor hundred and one in a tournament. You just like yeah, do Igot want to continue this? That's how that's how I felt. And grantedI've been no one and like made day too. Yeah, right, right, yeah, it's not. It's not really actually that bad. You know, I've had tournaments very similarly that. That where it's like you start offOto, you're in the pits, but then you just kind of ride itand and make it on. So yeah, certainly anything can happen. And Imean if you have fifty keys, is right, so you definitely ona head. I have plenty of keys left right, like I could getwell over two hundred points if I doesn't win every game. Yeah, exactly, exactly, out and forehead. But tell me about your games. Well, it's been it's been great. I mean Players Cup two was a nightmare. I will just say that I felt discouraged. I felt extremely kind ofat a loss for what to do. I wasn't really vibing with any deck. I was kind of switching between ATP and Peek a Ram and Luke metaland it just nothing really stuck for me and I was, I don't know, maybe didn't play as well as I could have and I know just alot of things. And then I made it my goal this player's Cup tojust be very diligent about at least controlling what I could control and just saying, Hey, I'm gonna I'm going to push this out. Yeah, I'mgoing to have every every instance of a bad matchup or every instance of badvariance or bad prizes, like I'm just going to push that aside. WhatI can control is going to be just in game mechanics and sequencing and thenchecking prizes for every single game, and that's kind of given me like tangibleproof, I guess, that I have been doing all that. I canto win the Games, and so it's paid off so far. I'm ona like a very nice clip, expecting, with the clip that I'm at,I'm expecting to hit a hundred thirty points right now. I got mynice little spreadsheet up, but twenty keys played and at two point six pointsper key, so I'm at fifty two total points. I was kind ofsetting that goal of hitting a hundred. I felt like a hundred I couldhit it, I'd feel very confident about making it into the next day andI still think that that's probably true. I feel like the lowest that we'veseen is in like the S. I think that's the cutoff right now fortop to fifty six. So if I can make to a hundred, feelinggreat. I'm on past to hit a hundred thirty, which would be amazing. So it's been. It's been a really nice tournament so far. Oneof my weaknesses, I guess one of my strengths, has been that I'vemade it out of the first round in every tournament except to so far.So I've won the first round in eighteen of the tournaments. I felt likefor me that was something that didn't happen a lot in the last Players Cup, where I was losing a lot in the first round. I don't know, I don't know what I could attribute that too, and I don't knowwhy I can attribute this success in this players cup. But for some reasonI've just been winning the first round, which has been a huge, likeboost of confidence, because I can walk away from the turn being like,okay, I get you know, one point from sorry, that's that's justnice. And then the on the flip side of that, the struggle forme has been losing in the finals. So I've made finals in twelve ofthe twenty keys, but I've only won five of those and so obviously I'drather take, you know, a finals win then making it out of thefirst round, because it's, you know, an additional point essentially. But itjust seems like when I get to that final, those matchup. I'mgoing to attribute that to variance, but I just haven't been able to convertas much as I'd like to in the top two so well, I meantwo point six. That's a pretty good...

...ratio there. I mean yeah,that's well on pace to hit that hundred point goal that we keep talking about. Talk to me about tracking prizes. First off, I'm curious, likewhat's your mechanism to do that? Do you use any like the software?Do you take physical notes? You just keep them in your head? Andsecond like, how do you plan to translate that into real life play,depending on how you do that? Yeah, I mean, obviously in tournament playand in real life play are very different terms of tracking prizes. It'svery easy. It's very easy in an online setting to find those prizes becauseeverything is it's not jumbled. You know, everything is right there kind of whereyou need it. So yeah, I've I think that this would bea skill that at least a habit of something where I like, I'm goingto think about it every single game that I play. In real life it'sgoing to be harder, obviously, so I'll have the practice that kind ofphysical searching through a jumbled deck, but it's translated here pretty well. Someof the mechanics that I've been using are like I'll write it down. Iprobably won't ever use any sort of software. Maybe I will, maybe I will, but at least for now I've been just writing things down or keepingthem in my head and it's again, like you said, worked out prettywell, we talked about on the last cast using prize knowledge to your advantage, and that's kind of like the next step of okay, well, youknow your prize is. Now what? And so there have been a coupleof games where I've been thinking about, okay, I have my drive,I have a couple of draws supporters in the prizes, so I should actuallytake this knock out here to guarantee that I can do something on the nextturn. You know, there have been those sorts of moments where checking theprizes and then being able to use that information has helped me, maybe notwin the game, but at least make more informed decisions, which, youknow, certainly contributed in some way to to winning the game. Absolutely absolutely. So do you plan to take like physical notes and real life events whenthose eventually become a thing again? or I've never really done that, butI think like the older I get, probably the more beneficial just having seriouslyseriously, like I'm slows. You know, the mind slows a little bit,and I havent you here in your mid twenty exactly. So yeah,I could see taking physical notes. It does get a little daunting and stressfulat times because there's that stress of, you know, somebody else is waitingfor you to finish and it takes a little bit more time I'm in reallife than it does online. But you know, I just need to getover that. You know, I'm pretty much over that. I kind ofjust don't care what other people think of me. So I took physical prizenotes at the tournament. I played whacky smacky, and the way I usuallydid that was I would shorthand like all the cards. So sure you knowI had like a two letter abbreviation that would make sense to me as faras like what the card is. Yeah, you know, that's really interesting becauseI think you technically can't do that. You can't write in codes. Imean you can, you can have like, I don't know, aB for acrobike or something, but you can't like write in a different languageor something that someone couldn't understand it hum okay, okay, yeah, becauseI always thought that you had to it had to be very obvious to ajudge what you were writing. Maybe so, I don't know. I mean Idon't know that the official ruling. Yeah, I don't know where theline is right, like yeah, you know, I guess I would haveto talk to a judge about that. Like what is the actual line betweenlike codifying versus like shorthanding? Right, sure, yeah, exactly, exactly. So, yeah, interesting thing to think about. Maybe we can getsome get some Intel from anyone that's listening...

...to the castle. Is a judgehow you would rule that. But it's been a good it's been a goodrun come back to player's Cup and I think I've pretty consistently seen outside ofthe rogue decks. I've consistently see Senna, scorch at turn it is ATP andPika and with Peka being among the least played of those four. Andso saying you're just the Meta is just kind of coalescing. I think thepeople that are trying to win are going to play one of those four decksand that has been pretty much all I've all I've seen amongst you know,contenders. I've had a few like breathers, which has been really nice. Thingslike I played in the second round like a Pikachu v Max deck.That was pretty sweet. I played I played just today I played a gangAar Mimic. You almost our deck. That just like wow, do it'sbeen pretty good. I've had a couple of those breather games, which hasbeen really nice. There you go, there you go. But generally speaking, again, send U Scorch returns ATPC Pica, haven't really seen too manycolossal or x couldroll decks. I think I faced one of each, ormaybe maybe two of each. You know, really not much outside of the box. I lost today against a wet and Youtube, which was pretty cool. Got The got the insane set up on turn two. Is Pretty Prettynarrowly. They had. They had the me too with to energy and thefrost moth and the SILV aalley like, all on turn to, all withouta supporter. I was like, okay, well, I definitely lose this one. Yeah, I had that happening Players Cup too, and I wasplaying with Caro and mom movel to, which actually just does not feel verygood that match. At break they have an UNCAFF damage. Yeah, andyou can't one shot him. You too. It's I that's pretty funny. Iliterally guess somehow with Luke Metal, I gusted three times in a rowon this Prosmos, but it's like enough. That's rough cool. So I meanit seems like you know things are going well in the Players Cup,hoping that I can have that that hot run for myself as well. Anyadvice that we maybe haven't already covered that you'd like to give to upandcoming playerscovers? I've just one thing that I've noticed is that the longer I've played, like I because I've kind of done my keys at a staggered rate,like I've been fairly consistent about playing. You know, I probably played tenlast week and ten this week, and so I've just noticed that there's beena lot weirder decks the longer I've gone on. Again, it's a prettysmall sample size, but like I almost would expect the level of like randomdecks to get higher the longer we go, because certainly there will be some peoplethat just kind of enter just because like maybe to just ruin somebody's Dayand they play meme Dex and stuff, where whereas in the beginning everyone's reallymotivated. I'm not sure if that's you know, certainly don't quote me onthat, but that kind of has been my personal experience with Players Cup,where people are just the longer I go, like the more people are going totry something or they're going to throw in some spice or play out justa wacky deck because they don't really care. Yeah, yeah, I was alwayscurious, like what the philosophy is like. Do you have people rushingin at the end and and trying really hard because they, you know,they realize they forgot their keys and it's the last day before all workers do? Or, you know, is it the people at the start who arelike really motivated if trying really hard, or maybe it's probably sure, morerealistically, is probably a mixture of those two people. Yeah, yeah,I mean, and that's why it makes it so hard. So I'm justgoing to give my kind of what what I lived experience. Yeah, mypersonal experience. So are going to be obviously hard to quantify that, butthat's just what I that's what I've been feeling and that's what I've been seeing. For sure. I also we alluded to real life tournaments. I feellike we'd be remiss not to mention the World Championship two thousand and twenty one. It's not happening. You're right,...

...there she goes. I know it'scrazy. Yeah, they just made an announcement yesterday that there would not beplayers cup or excuse me, that there would not be a world championship inLondon in two thousand and twenty one. That has been moved to two thousandand twenty two, and so, I mean we gotta think that it'll actuallyhappen in two thousand and twenty two, but I like the preventive measure thatthey took. Obviously POKEMON has a brand of, you know, being veryfriendly and very inclusive, and you know not that there are not that I'mlike immediately thinking of other brands that would like hold a world championships in apandemic, but you know, certainly pokemon on like the reputation of Pokemon,like they just I feel like they almost can't, you know, they're kindof handcuffed to being like well, for sure, that's not something we're goingto subject their fans too, and the risk potential is just too high,especially for, you know, kids and and families and things like that.No, I mean it makes a lot of sense. Like, honestly,I can barely see a tournament at all happening by that time, ye aroundAugust, I'll let alone a championship that you qualify for. You know,like we have to play and prior for the play or yeah, yeah,and then championship that, you know, a world championship right brings one fromaround the globe over. You know, that just doesn't seem right. SoI like Pokemon's decision. It's not one that, you know, I'm necessarilylike happy about in the sense that, yeah, I want to get backto normal just like everybody else, but it's a good move on their partand I'm going to be really excited for two thousand and twenty two. It'sgoing to be insane. Like we've just seen Pokemon, just as a brandlike get bigger and bigger, especially over the pandemic, especially with the cards, and so if you've never been to a world championship you'll never quite knowhow exciting that whole atmosphere is. And I think you know, next yearwhen we do have the world championships, it'll just be unbelievable. Yeah,it's going to be awesome, for sure. I'm generally pretty excited myself. SoI remember being so excited when they flash that it was going to bein London and two thousand nineteen. So I'm still excited now. I thinkit's going to be really fun experience. But do I think this is agood assign as any like do continue to take like your precautions, you know, keep yourself and your community safe, at your vaccines when you qualify,and then we'll shepherd and a new, hopefully healthy, era of two thousandand twenty two. Now, I know can't wait. Absolutely really thogw Ithink that brings us right about to our card of the day. I willsay before you get into that if you're starting to have questions, you're inthe chat and they're ruining your mind, make sure to drop them in there. That way we can get to them when we get to the end ofour cast today. So my card of the day, Riley, is onewe were talking about just cars from childhood that make us feel a little nostalgicand for some reason, I don't quite know why, I like I thoughtthat this card was kind of cool or it just had that distinctive look thatI just think of it as a card for my childhood that I just rememberfondly. And that is card from neo discovery. It's an Amanite and it'sin that clay. Yes, the CLAYOM and I is so cute. Yeah, the Clay Amanite. And so this card to me just, I don'tknow, represents something about my innocence, my childhood, and that I can'tquite put a finger on. Why it's Almanite. You know, for otherpeople they might add like a starter pokemon or or some kind of you know, like maybe a Mewtwo Card or a Charz ard card or something like that. But I was thinking about it, you know, all this week andI was thinking like man, you know,...

...what is a what is a card? Certainly there are others, but what is a card that I really, you know, could bring some spotlight to? That I just think ofas being a card that I love or that I loved growing up, andthat's Almanie, that's almanite. So I has this pokemon power fossil. Onceduring your turn, you may flip a coin of head, search your deckfor a card that evolves from mysterious fossil and put it on your bench.Treat that card as a basic pokemon like insane power. Yeah, I don'tever remember using this card. Has a bind attack. Flip a coin ofhead to defending pokemon is paralyzed. I don't ever remember building a deck aroundit. Like I don't think I ever really had any alma star cards ormaybe, actually, you know what I probably did have? I probably hadbase set I'm a star, or there was like a jungle Alma star orsomething, Anthony. Also fossil. Yeah, Feo. So I probably made someweird yeah, almanite from Neo with the fossil I'm a star deck andit probably wasn't very good, but I'm probably still beat my dad with it. Well, that's good, that's my card the day. That's awesome.That's awesome. And speaking of like hards and collecting and acquestion thereof, Ithink as a perfect segue into probably one of the hottest topics in Pokemon inthe last week or so, and that's like the collecting, in the scalpingthey are of pokemon cards. So if you're out of the loop, thinkat the high level, the most important thing to know is pokemon cards areprobably the hardest to physically acquire that they've ever been, at least for newersets. So sure you know products are getting mass spot out, especially likethese kind of collectors sets, though shining fates is a huge one for that, where they're just lying off the shelves mass quantities. Right. We alsohave situations like McDonald's doing a happy meal Promo and you know, you havepeople buying dozens or hundreds of them just to try and get the cars thatthey want. It's a it's a pretty wild world out there right now.Honestly, I don't understand. I understand about maybe some of the shining stuff, you know, where you have the chars ards and things like those justare very big cards. But yeah, certainly something like the McDonald's Promo,I think. I think part of that is a little bit of an embellishment. I there's certainly true. They're certainly truth the people, you know,going out of buying everything, but I think to some extent there's maybe alittle bit of embellishment just like that, you know, kind of there's alittle bit of escapism. I think that the people are are finding where theycan, you know, be kind of outraged at someone going out and,you know, buying up a bunch of poke my cards that could have goneto the kids. And yes, yes, that's that's true. Yeah, andI mean if you're buying every single happy meal, you know, everythinghappening meal out of a McDonald's, that's yeah, that's not a it's agreat thing to do. Yeah, actively good, but do I just feellike that it? Know, I do agree. I think the and Ithink what you're getting at is like the quantity of people doing this is,I think, astronomically smaller than would seem to be if you were to readlike twitter or facebook right now. You know, I can say with utmostconfidence that I could go to my McDonald's and get a happy meal, noproblem, right. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So, sothat's yeah, that's kind of how I feel about it. I mean,sure, be upset, I think, you know, scalping, especially somethinglike that, just scalping in general, is kind of leaves me with thebad taste of my mouth. But you know, that's that's the free market, Baby. So, you know,...

...you look at things like this,you look at just like you said, there being no hidden faiths, novivid voltage. Like, dude, vivid voltage competitively suck. You know,let's just let's just be straight up, but I have not seen a singleetb, you know, in any store that I've been in, Walmart,target, I don't know, even like little hobby shops. I like haven'tseen anything, which is just crazy to me. So what do you thinkis like the cause of all this? Is it really just like Logan Paul'sentry into the scene, or is something larger at lay here? Feel Imean it's definitely like an nostalgia trip, twenty five years of Pokemon. SoI mean you just look at like just people's nostalgia come catching up to them. Certainly a big part of it is just scalpers like looking to make aquick buck. I think a lot of a lot of yeah players that thereare a lot of people that are kind of getting wise to like, Oh, I could, you know, make a hundred bucks pretty easily if Ijust send this card in and get a graded and then flip it, youknow, like they're that's I think that business model is going to kind ofcome down here eventually, probably not too much, but certainly we've seen apeak, I think, and then, yeah, I just think people havea lot more well, they kind of have a lot more disposable income.Like it's kind of I don't know, I kind of feel like we're ina little bit of a a fake, fake boom for some people like gettingthe stimulus checks and you're not really for a lot of people are not spending, you know, I mean my wife and I, like we haven't spentmoney out like to eat in a couple months. You know, we're definitelysaving. We're definitely saving yas money, right as money, like we're definitelysaving money in kind of a hidden way, you know where. Yeah, likeyou said, the gas money. We're not really spending a lot toeat. So we have just like kind of that money in our pocket thatwe don't really know what else to do with, but that we're investing thatother people might say, Hey, you know what, I can go buya POKEMON card and flip it make a few extra bucks. So I thinkall those things kind of control. Yeah, I kind of agree with you.It's a almost a perfect storm we have set up where you have folkslike Logan Paul. I don't think he's like necessarily the progenitor of all this, but I think you definitely contributed, not so much directly, but thefact that there's so much publicity around it right where. You know, alot of people might not even be Logan Paul viewers or fans, but wehave this whole hyped up card mark and that definitely infected other content creators aswell. You know, you have like poke Maine and and train wrecked andall these streamers. You're opening up boxes on streams and as the kind ofhave to because it's kind of the thing right now, right. Yeah,and so you know, people are getting exposed to it. They're like,oh, yeah, like Pokemon, it's fun, or there's looking at likePokemon's opportunity for you make money. So and they have kind of like thetime and money and energy to do it. Yeah, so, you know,we're stuck at home. is like the perfect kind of thing for that, you know, like taking up a box and either clipping out a crackingit. It's it's really ironic, though, that the that the slogan of Pokemon. It's got to catch them all. And then as soon as someone doesthat, you know, the Internet gets furious with that. They catchall of the happy meal too with yeah, I mean it like it's you know, it's in the brand, right, got to catch them all. SoI don't know why everyone's so so upsite. No, I'm just kidding. I mean, yeah, it sucks. It sucks and a long and shortof it, like I want to get a I want to get abox poke my cards for, you know, eighty bucks again. It's time.I don't see that happening. Yeah, I think scalping is just really crappy, but at the same time, like if someone really just wants tobuy like a munch to stop for themselves, like I don't think they should necessarilybe shamed. So, you know, I'm saying like if they if someonejust really wants like twenty ETV's and...

...they want to open all those suckers, and you know, if you're scalping them, that's one thing, likethat's crappy, but if you just want all those, I feel like thosesame kind of people are being shamed and it's like, yeah, it sucksthat you can't have it, but, like, you know, they did, they did want it to have this for themselves, at least not flippingit. Yeah, it's just like, yeah, it's just a weird thing. It's a weird thing, and then you look at like, you know, even I just feel bad for like game stores that maybe don't get allotmentsand that are forced to like really really up charge certain products and right tokeep us. It's a weird, weird market out there right now and alot of things are weird. Like bitcoin is weird and you know, gamestop is weird. Just general economics right now or not making a lot ofsense, and I think pokemon it's just another extension of that. Yeah,and I think a lot of it just comes down like we're stuck at homewith money and times, and there you go. So pokemon, though,has caught wind, and maybe a little bit late, but they have caughtwind, and there's they said they're going to do something about it actually,which is pretty impressive honestly. So pokemon has but out a statement saying thatthey are aware that like scalping is a problem right now. The products arevery difficult to find. There will be, it's implied they'll be like pretty heavilyreprinting a lot of their products to try and like accommodate this. Idon't know that it does it, though, because I mean my counter argument towhat Pokemon is said and I'm happy, like overall, I'm happy that they'redoing it. I'm just not sure how big of an impact it's goingto make, because I saw the other day evolutions booster boxes are going forover a thousand, like what is going on? You know, it's justridiculous. So so you know, and and evolutions was a set that theytried to push on us like nobody's business. Nobody wanted stuff, nobody wanted thisto I you know, was I sold a box of evolutions for fiftybucks. Yeah, and I was like kind of happy because I got toeat, you know, I got to go out to a nice dinner thatnight. You know, I didn't a box. So I do have anevolutions box here, but you know, if you would have asked me ayear ago, like hey, is that evolutions box going to be one ofthe most expensive pokemon items that you own, I would have said no, nochance. So the fact that it's even in that same breath is justwild to me and kind of makes me think, yeah, thank you pokemonfor doing something, but it, I mean, whatever they can possibly domight not even be enough. I mean, here's to say right, like car. It's not that difficult from like a monetary perspective for them to likeprint it an absurd amount more right. And so it's about them. Ithink the decision comes to like how limited do they want this to be?Right, like, you know, we could get we get shining fates pushedupon us, like evolutions was pushed upon us if they really want to.There's nothing physically stopping them. So who's to say? I don't know.Right, I think ultimately, like once we start getting enough product, Idon't I think scalping will be less of an issue a because they're being moresupply. So they'll be less incentive to scalp because you can't ward at all. Right, and once the supply actually starts to meet the demand, Ithink things will start to settle back down, assuming that we're able to accomplish that. Yeah, and Sean brings up a good point. Is just sayinglike there isn't enough product. So I think certainly we've seen like a boomand then it's been. There presumably have been some kind of issues with thethe path the supplied blind just being interrupted with with covid related things. So, you know, certainly if we weren't in a covid situation where there wasless supplied, than yeah, maybe this whole thing would have just been thenatural kind of flow of the card inflation. But we're just seeing kind of hyperinflationjust because of a lot of factors, not notably for real, like yousaid, not enough cards in circulation.

Real Real, you know, I'mI would love to get my hands on a shining face. So,you know, I'd be cool if I could like go to the store andget one of those. I'm with you, man. Are Go to the storeand get one of those, but not pay, you know, threetimes the price, because there are there are some people. You know,I follow a couple of local Columbus groups and yeah, hidden fads. visitvoltage or like etb's are, you know, a well over a hundred fifty.It's like crazy out there, man. Yeah, like I want. Iwant the luxury of being able to walk to my local target. AreDrive there? I guess I wouldn't that. Wouldn't walk there, you know,walk inside, go to the little card section by the cash register andpick up a box of cards. Yeah, you know, Yep, exactly,nice little pleasant collector kit of cards. Go to the cash it just Rof pay the appropriate amount of money. Go, YEP, exactly. It'sfunny about you know. I hope that Pokemon's able to achieve that fortheir consumers. Yep, I did. I did. Also. I meantto mention this earlier, but I kind of forgot in the heat of themoment of talking. Do you realize that ATP effectively got banned from the WorldChampionships? It's wild. All it took was a pandemic if he never gotto go to the world championship. That's so crazy to me. Let's thinkingabout this as soon as they announced it. That's pretty sad, man, poorone out for a brother. It's so funny. Like, you know, people were clamoring for the band and you know, all it took,like I said, it was a global pandemic to take eighty feet down.It's going to be interesting to look at just the the just evolution of thegame across like a lost two years essentially, right, like the competitive play presumablyreturning sometime mid two thousand and twenty two, and so, you knowwe last played early two thousand and twenty and then just to see kind ofwhere the cards are at, that will be a really interesting comparison. Sothey should just release Riley Hulbert world champion two thousand and twenty one deck andjust for the heck of it, dude, let's let's make our own world championshipdecks, Tag Team World Championship tanks, and then, yeah, we'll printeddistribute them. That'd be sick and not illegal either. Yeah, no, no, what? We'll call him something different. It's a I justthought that was crazy. Imagine having like a one of those three turn ATPGames in the world's finals. Man, man, that would be pretty fun, wouldn't it? That would be so cool. I'll just like an insidejob, different by ATP from having straight turn row finals. That's right,that's right. Yeah, it's it's like like what, like kind of theIlluminati? Yeah, exactly, for scaluminatis forcing, forcing a pandemic on theworld so that ATP cannot win exactly. Seems doubtful, but does it themean? So we'll take will take some questions from chat. We have onefrom Shawn here, says, do you think a lot of household names fromthe two thousand and nineteen season will have moved on from Pokemon when large scaleevents return? Riley, what do you think? That is something I've beenthinking about recently, and not necessarily for myself, but you know, Ilook out and I see a lot of these folks that I play pokemon closelywith that aren't really active in the online scene anymore. They're kind of justliving their best life right now, which I think live in your best lifecan include poke. No, I realized I came off wrong, but likethey're they're just kind of out there doing their thing. They're not really worried. I've pokemon right now and I've wondered...

...wear like if that'll translate when hopecomes back. You know, I talked to a couple of my friends aswell and they said, yeah, like maybe I got one more season tome and I'll just like try to get two worlds, but otherwise I'm done. So I'm I'm curious myself. Honestly, I do think there will be someamount of people who, like you, use this as their exit. Forsure, I think a lot will depend on your perspective and also,like the Cross section of household. Like what do you consider a household?Name Right, sure, I do think there will be some amount of themthat will exit. I think some of them will also, though, comeback, even though they haven't necessarily been doing online stuff, because they're justlike aren't into the online and they'd rather play in real life. Yeah,I mean I think you look at kind of our group as being a groupthat just isn't really that into the online scene. I mean, you know, rally I know that you you don't play a ton like I try toplay when I can. I would say amongst you, me and Andrew,like we're probably I'm probably the most plugged into the like online tournament scene,which is really not saying much again, because I probably play on after likeless than less than a tournament a month. Yeah, if you go outside USthree in their group, it's really very little online involvements. Yeah,yeah, so I think just looking at that like, yeah, that's but, but I think right now this is a great time. I mean,I've been I've been preaching this too. Is just like if you are somebodythat hasn't made a name from themselves and you on to I think the onlinescene is a great place to start. And then when we do get turnin this back, like if you have played a ton already, you getgood, you know, you build up those mechanics, you build up theability to sequence well and the ability to check prize as well, like you'regoing to go off on a tear, I have no doubt when things comeback, because they're going to, you know. I mean it's just likeany other skill, like the more you let it atrophy, you know,it's not like you can just kind of I mean there are certainly you cankind of pick it up in a sense, but you know, obviously the morepractice you have, the more you'll be able to to navigate situations betterthan someone that hasn't practiced. So I think right now is a really greatincubation period for newer players or players that are looking to kind of break intothat next level, be it just from an average player to a good player, from a good player to a great player. Like. I think nowis the opportunity to do them. Yeah, and I think, honestly, what'llultimately end up happening is will have sort of a partial changing of theguard where, you know, some folks might kind of step away from thegame, but they'll ultimately be replaced by people who have been really grinding andend up being kind of really strong, superstar kind of players when they endup having the chance. Yep, Yep. So, JW, we've tossed alot about Pokemon, currents and future. What are you most looking forward toin terms of like Pokemon? Mind? At the moment, I I've beenenjoying players cup. I maybe I'm like gonna get freaking like railed onfor that, but I don't know, man, I like just competing.I just can't wait for you know, I want more official tournaments to competein. I like playing in the online formats and stuff like that, butI much prefer, you know, pokemon comes out and it's like hey,we're doing this thing, this tournament. Like I'd rather be there right thenthen play pretty much anything else. So, yeah, I've really been enjoying playerscup and I feel like I found, I think there are opportunities to enjoythe game right now. I know that, you know, there's alot of negativity surrounding the game, but I think that the negative voices aregenerally just the loudest voices and I think that there are still you know,you're listening to this and you're like, why is everyone so angry about pokemon? It's like, well, they're just voicing their opinion, and so,like, I'll voice my opinion right now...

...when I say I enjoy the game. They gets still pretty fun. Again, not a great format, not theworst format I've ever played in, and I find, I've been finding, that there's room for high, high amounts of enjoyment right now. Like, like my enjoyment of the game right now, when I play a gamethat's really exciting, is as high as it's ever been for any other format. So yeah, so I would say I've enjoyed it and there's room forenjoyment right now in the game and I want to play more games that meansomething. So that's what I'm excited for. Yeah, and I'm sure pokemon willfind more opportunities to kind of insert themselves in the online sphere, giventhey have like an extra year to do it. So yeah, we're reallyhoping again like that they can. I don't know that necessarily solve the onlinesphere, and certainly the players Cup were really good step in that direction.But yeah, you you got to think that they should try to roll themout a little bit more frequently or do other sorts of events or, Idon't know, be just be innovative and creative with the way that they utilizetheir their online player base. Absolutely well, I will say if you ever wantto see a man enjoy himself playing pokemon cards, definitely tune into JWstream and youtube videos. I say this not just as his podcasting partner,but I really like watching JWU's videos. So do give them a sub subon Youtube, Flex Daddy Rightch has on Youtube and twitch. Follow us ontwitter as well. That's tag team Pokemon for the show, mouth of rilesand Real John Walter for the individuals. And be sure to leave a rateand review on your favorite podcasting platforms. Tell us what you'd like and whatyou'd like to see change about the show. Yeah, that'd be great. Appreciateyou guys a lot. As always, I'm right Hobart, joined by JWCrery Wall, and we'll catch you next time. Peace, let's seeyou.

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