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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 24 · 9 months ago

3-24. Goodbye World's 2021!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are back, but the World Championships in 2021 is out... come listen in to the tale of scalpers, a pandemic, and a Player's Cup.

Yo, what is Tup guys welcome back totag team, the POKEMON trading card games for mere podcasting duo. My nameis Riley Holbert joined, as always by my scrumed vily umttious friend JW KreeWall. Mr Dw. Has it going it's gone pretty well, Riley. How are you it'sgoing great man? It's gone great, an any any new news in the world ofRiley New News, not particularly new I've, been readinga new book recently if you've been listening to the cast o. You heard mereading that thousand page home last month and my goal for the year was toread a book every month. I'm reading the sequel, the eleven hundred pagehome this month and it's been really good. So far, I'vestayed up kind of late last tunights reading yeah, that's cool, that's coolyeah I mean I yeah. Reading is always something I'm like yeah I should. Ishould do that more and then and then tick tock calls yeah and I just youknow, spend my spend my free hour. Just scrolling yeah and I kind of have likea very regimented day, went on a workday,usually honestly, like the Wednesdayis, when we record is one of my mostbreakaway days from Ha fegiment where Kno I wake up, I work I go to the gymand work out come back. I make dinner and eat said dinner and then I'm likedone. You know it's so I thin. I go through all that and then like alsostart reading, it gets kind of late and you know, then it just bleeds in theexporting ORI'm, tired but sure kind of a messy process. Theresure I hear you, I hear you yeah. I also I don't know if I mentione thison the cast yet, but I have resolved to growing out my hair. I think I did mention it briefly. Mygoal is to look like Aaron Yeger from attack on Titan with his man O so yeah.That's like what I'm shooting for right now. I was just watching this coolvideo. It has nothing to do with your hair, but het was about attack on Titanwhere they made like irl swords. Oh that's. You know how you GOINTA, likethe breakaway swords or whatever a's Pretti, might have seen that too yeah,I Iwas Pretty. I love like weapons channels. I guess that like make allthe Fantasyyou, don't Talk Abo yeah yeah, no, like they do like thelightsaber. Have you seen that yeahlight saver on eveabuse Orse Cammer,like all those kind yeaings yeah yeah? I always wonder when they're makingthem like. Where do they get their money like it can't just be off youtubelike addor I mean? Maybe it can. I just seems like a sponsor thay. Usually Ilike something, maybe they're sponsor yeah, but where do they get like theinitial funding like? Is it just two guys in their garage and then they? Iimagine a lot of the get big, an kind of start as like passion, projectsright were like mayb. They just have a lot of extra steel or something so theymake a Crach I' Yul in ear, and then it's like that blows up and keep like.Oh there's a market for this content like let's sponsor Shirson or whateversure I don't know that could be fair yeah. It's a perfect, perfect video todrop like a manscaped at it or something yeah. You know, I know what you're saying yeah. What about you, though, what's beengoing on? Well, it's just been a lot of coting and I've been managing to fit insome Players Cup tournaments and then we've been looking at houses. So ifyou've been following any of my other content on Youtube, you'll know aboutthe house. Hunt we've actually put in three separate offers on threedifferent houses and they've all been one was over the asking price and itjust got rejected somebody else like went higher than we did the other one.They were asking like a little much and we just couldn't come to terms and thenthe last one that we just saw. My wife is really upset. Well, that's not upsetshe's a little disappointed, but there was. It was basically just awide open,...

...awide open living room that like wentright into the kitchen, so there's no kind of divider, and then there was avaulted ceiling, so we could have put like a loft above the kitchen and she was really excited for you knowwhat the space could do and how we could host people and things like that,but it ended up apparently selling for like way more than comparable houses inthe area. So it just wasn't yeah. It was like tenthousand or fifteenthousand more than comparable houses in the area, and we thought we put in acompetitive offer. But you know it's just when you're going against peoplethat are willing to spend. You know fifteen more than you it's going to geta little difficult. So I think that's true for a lot of things.Yep Yep pretty much pretty much. So it's been fun. We've had you know I ourfirst kind of home, so we're hoping to actually buy a home within. I don'tknow six months, there's like a tax credit in Ohio that we can takeadvantage of if we're less than four years out of a master's degree. So itlike time is of the essence. We could get a little bit of money back so we'reon the hunt and we got a good realitter whois. Really, you know looking out forus and knows what we want so we're helpful. Well, I wish you the best of luck inthat endeavor I mean we got some kind of on chat, even alluing, to thehousing market being a little bit crazy right now. Well, and and the thing is,I mean it's hard to say what it's going to go down. You know, that's the that's! The problem right now is justthat this might be the lowest. You know it'scertainly going to be the lowest the lowest interest rate that willprobably ever be able to get, and so yeah this. Just it's it's veryinteresting. It's very interesting. We should have bouht a house like sixmonths ago, yeah very sensible time to buy a houseYep exactly so anyway onto pokemon. We've had, ofcourse, Players Cup to our Players Cup. Three excuse me that has been you know,a topic on twitter, a topic on facebook groups and certainly something that Ihave thought a lot about Righley. I know that you haven't really played toomany keys, but kind of Walke me through, like your very, very limited experiencein then, maybe I can chat about where I'm at in the process yeah. So I, ifyou listened last week, I was intending to get like thirty keys done this lastweekend, really just go through most of them and I never really got in the zone. SoI started playing a couple games on Saturday, which was my intended likesit down and go through my keys day, and I was playing pecram Ou know, trueto my word, and I hit an ATP and you know all of sudden just everythingfalls apart, like you know, whipping switches, withing energies and, like Iand I'll, take responsibility, there's probably things I did wrong with inthere at like contributing factors, but it just was a little bit short and thatwas just super frustrating. The game was really tilting, so I took a quickbreak refreshed my mind. You know it. You Guy talked about the other week.How, like you, shouldn't, go tilted into your next game yeah. So I refreshed I came back. It won myfirst round, pretty handly of a peak and then the next round I played. Ithink it was a colossal. It was like some fighting deck. I could pull ip mycoofle dock, but it was a fighting neck of some sort, it might have be, mighthave even been excadril. I think it was like more robe than colossal, but itwas some like miserable matchup and the mutees didn't get me there. Andi'm justlike man now, I'm extra tilted, because I just took this break and I came back-and this is also terrible, so yeah. I think it was either two or three keysor I'm just like. I need to stop for the day. I'm just going to befrustrated. If I play more Cocemon, you know center myself and try to Geitlater yeah, unfortunately, like I was just talking about my work. dayisusually run kind of long and kind of late. By the time I got through all myroutine, so I haven't played a lot...

...during the week. I do intend to getthrough that thirty this weekend and then kind of PLOWG them out from there so still intending to get them all done.Obviously, but that really rough start, I see a players Cup to. I have likegood momentum at the start. So when I ran into like those reference gamesright like I had that energy to carry me, but when you start off really it'skind of like going. Oh one or oh one, one in a tournament you just like yeah.Do I in want to continue this? That's Ho! That's how I felt and granted I'veBen Hole on one and like Madday to Syeah right right, yeah! It's not it'snot really! Actually that bad! You Know I've had tournaments very similarly tothat where it's like. You start off Oto you're in the pits, but then you justkind of ride it and and make it on so yeah. Certainly anything can happen,and I mean you have fifty keys right, so you getpen ONA hen. I have plenty ofkeys left right like I. Could? U Get well over two hundred points if Ijusn't win every year, yeah exactly exactly Tus, souinforehead, but tell me about your games. Well, it's been. It's been great. Imean Players Cup two was a nightmare. I will just say that I felt discouraged Ifelt extremely kind of at a loss for what to do. Iwasn't really vibing with any deck. I was kind of switching between ADP andPekaram and Luke metal, and it just nothing really stuck for me- and I wasI don't know, maybe didn't play as well as I could have, and I don't know justa lot of things and there I made it my goal, this Players Cup to just be verydiligent about at least controlling what I could control and just saying:Hey, I'm gonna, I'm going Ta push this on yeah, I'm Goinna ve every everyinstance of a bad matchup or every instance of bad variante or bad prizes,like I'm just going to push that aside, what I can' control is going to be justingame, mechanics and sequencing and then checking prizes for every singlegame and that's kind of given me like tangible proof. I guess that I havebeen doing all that I can to win the Games and so it's paid off so far, I'm on a like avery nice clip expecting with the clip that I'm at I'm expecting to hit ahundred and thirty points. Right now I got my nice little spreadsheet up, buttwenty keys played and at two point six points per key, so I'm at fifty twototal points I was kind of setting that goal of hitting a hundred. I felt likea hundred I could hit it. I'd feel very confident about making it into the nextday, and I still think that that's probablytrue, I feel like the lowest that we've seen is in, like the es, I think that'sthe cutoff right now for top twue and fifty six. So if I can make to ahundred feeling great I'm Om pased to hit a hundred and thirty, which wouldbe amazing. So it's been, it's been a really nicetournament. So far, one of my weaknesses- I guess one of my strengths-has been that I've made it out of the first round in every tournament excepttwo. So far, so I won the first round at eighteen of the tournaments I feltlike for me. That was something that didn't happen. A lot in the lastPlayers Cup, where I was losing a lot in the first round. I don't know Idon't know what I could attribute that to, and I don't know why I canattribute this success in this Players Cup, but for some reason I've just beenwinning the first round, which has been a huge like boost of confidence,because I can walk away from the temb being like okay, I get you know onepoint from sorry: That's that's just nice and then the on the flip side of that thestruggle for me has been losing in the final. So I've made finals in twelve ofthe twenty keys, but I've only won five of those, and so obviously I'd rathertake you know a finals win then making it out of the first round because it'syou know an additional point essentially, but it just seems likewhen I get to that finals. Matchup, I'm going to attribute that to variance,but I just haven't been able to convert as much as I'd like to in the top to so.Well I mean two point: six, that's a...

...pretty good ratio. There I mean yeah,that's well on pace to hit that hunded point goal that we keep talking about. Talk me about. You know tracking prizes.First off, I'm curious, like what's your mechanism to do that. Do you useany like the software r? Do you take physical notes? You just keep them inyour head and second like how do you plan to translate that into real lifeplay depending on now? How you do that yeah, I mean obviously in tournamentplay and in real life play, are very different in terms of tracking prizes.It's very easy. It's very easy in an online setting tofind those prizes, because everything is it's not jumbled. You knoweverything is right, there kind of where you need it so yeah. I think that this would be askill that at least a habit of something where Ilike, I'm going to think about it. Every single game that I play in reallife. It's going to be harder. Obviously so I'll have tho practicethat kind of physical searching through a jumbled deck, but it's translatedhere pretty well some of the mechanics that I've been using ar like I'll write it down. I probablywon't ever use any sort of software. Maybe I will maybe I will,but at least for now I've been just writing things down or keeping them inmy head, and it's again, like you, said, worked out pretty well. We talked abouton the last cast using prize knowledge to your advantage and that's kind oflike the next step of okay. Well, you know your prize is now one, and sothere have been a couple of games where I've been thinking about. Oh okay, I have my draw ihave a coupleof Drass reporters in the prizes, so I should actually take this knockout hereto guarantee that I can do something on the next turn. You know there have beenthose sorts of moments where checking the prizes and then being able to usethat information as helped me, maybe not win the game, but at least makemore informed decisions which you know certainly contributed in some way to towinning the game. Absolutely absolutely so. Do you plan to take like physicalnotes in real lize events on those eventually bekind of thing again or I've never really done that, but Ithink, like the older, I get probably the more beneficial just havingseriously seriously like nclosed. You know the mine slows a little bit and Ihave s here in your midtwet, exactly so yeah I could see taking physicalnotes. It does get a little daunting and stressful at times, because there'sthat stress of you know somebody else is waiting for you to finish and ittakes a little bit more time in real life than it does online. But you know I just need to get over that.You know I'm pretty much over that. I kind of just don't care what otherpeople think of me. So I took to physical dize notes at the tournament.I played wacky smacky and the way I usually did that was, I would short hand like all the cardsso sure you know I have like a two letter abbreviation. That would makesense to me as far as like what the card is yeah. You know. That's reallyinteresting, because I think you technically can't do that. You can'twrite in codes. I mean you can you can have like. I don't know Ab for acrobike or something, but you can't like writ in a different language orsomething that someone can understand. Okay, okay, yeah, because I alwaysthought that you had. It had to be very obvious to a judge what you were.Writing, maybe so don't know I mean I don't knowthe the official ruling yeah. I don't know where, where the line is right,like Yeah You K O. I guess I would have to talk to a judge about that, likewhat is the actual line between like codifying versus, like shorthanding right, Ryeah, exactly exactly so yeahinteresting thing to think about. Maybe we can get some get some Intel fromanyone. That's listening to the cast.

That is a judge how you would rule that, but it's been a good. It's been a goodrun, coming back to Players Cup and I think I've pretty consistently seen outside of the rogue decks. I'veconsistently see Senta Scorch, atternitis, ATP and Pika, and with Pekabeing among the least plate of those four and Sotin you ju the Metais justkind of coalescing. I think the people that are trying to win are going toplay one of those four decks and that has been pretty much all I've allI've seen amongst you know, contenders I've had a few like breathers, whichhas been really nice. Things like I played in the second round like a PKv Max deck. That was pretty sweet. I played I played just today. I playeda Gangar Mimiccu Almo Star deck that just like wow do agit's been prettygood. I've had a couple of those breather games which has been reallynice. There you go there, you go, but generally speaking again send a scorch,eturnes, ATPC Pika haven't really seen too many colossal or excadrol decks. Ithink I'v faced one of each or maybe maybe two of each. You know really not much outside of thebox. I lost today against a wet moutto, which was pretty cool, got the got the insane setup on turn toit was pretty pretty narrowly. They had the they had, the Mutu with two energyand the frostmoth and the so valley, like all unturn to all. Without asupporter I was like okay. Well, I definitely lose this one yeah. I hadthat Happenin Players Cup to and I was playing with Cardomal mevel two, whichactually just does not feel very good- that match up break. They have an UNCAPimage and you can't want Shatom you to sotsthat's pretty funny I literally Gess somehow with Luke metal. I gusted threetimes in a row on those posmas og, that's rough cool, so I mean it seems. Like you know,things are going well in the Players Cup, I'm hoping that I can have thatthat hot run for myself as well any advice that we maybe haven't alreadycovered, that you' like to give to up and coming players coppers. I just one thing that I've noticed isthat the longer I've played like because I've kind of done, my keys at astaggered rate like I've, been fairly consistent about playing. You know. I probably played ten last week and tenthis week, and so I've just noticed that there's been alot weirder decks the longer I've gone on again, it's a pretty small samplesize but, like I almost would expect the level of like random decks to gethigher the longer we go, because certainly there will be some peoplethat just kind of enter just because, like maybe to just ruin somebody's Dayand they play mem decks and stuff where, whereas in the beginning, everyone'sreally motivated, I'm not sure. If that's you know, certainly don't quoteme on that, but that kind of has been my personal experience with Players Cupwhere people are just the longer. I go like the more people are going to trysomething or they're going to throw on some spice or play o just a wacky deck, because theydon't really care yeah yeah. I was always curious, likewhat the philosophy is like do. You have people rushing in at the end andand trying really hard because Theyr, you know they realized, they forgottheir keys and it's the last day for homeworkers do or you know, is t thepeople at the start, who are like really motivated, they're, tryinglyhard, or maybe it's probably sure more realistically, it's probably a mixtureof those two people so yeah I mean and that's why I makesit so hard. So I'm just going to give my kind of what what I live. Lik Hisrents yeah, my personale so gon to be obviously hard to quantify that. Butthat's just what I ve! That's what I've been feeling and that's what I've beenseeing for sure I also we alluded to real life tournaments. I feel like webe remissed not to mention the world championship, wo, Thusnd, a twenty one.It's not happening...

...you're right there. She goes tol. Iknow it's crazy yeah. They just made an announcement yesterday that there would not beplayers. Scup be excuse me that there would not be a world championsthip inLondon in two thousand and twenty one that has been moved to two thosnd andtwenty two, and so I mean we got to think that it'llactually happen in two thousand and twenty two, but I like the preventativemeasure that they took. Obviously Pokemon has a brand of you know beingvery friendly and very inclusive, and you know not that there are not thatI'm like immediately thinking of other brands. That would like hold the worldchampionships in a pandemic, but you know certainly pokemon like thereputation of Pogamin like they just, I feel like they almost can't. You knowthey're kind of handcuffe to being like well, O sure. That's not somethingwe're going to subject our fans to and the risk potential is just too high,especially for you know, kids and and families, and things like that know.I mean it makes a lot of sense. Like honestly, I can barely see a tournamentat all happening by that time, aaround August ilet alone, a championship thatyou qualify for, you know like we have to play and pry it put up AK, Syeah,yeah and then a championship that you know a world championship right atbrings one from around the globe over. You know that just doesn't seem right.So I, like Poos, decision, it's, not one that you know, I'm necessarily like happyabout in the sense that yeah I want to get back to normal, just like everybodyelse, but it's a good move on their part and I we'r going to be reallyexcited fo to thousand and twenty two. It's going to be insane like we've justseen, pokemon just as a brand like get bigger and bigger, especially over thepandemic, especially with the cards, and so, if you've never been to a worldchampionship. You'll never quite know how exciting that whole atmosphere is-and I think you know next year, when we do have theworld championships, it'll just be unbelievable. Yeah, it's going to beawesome for sure. I'm generally pretty excited myself. So I remember being so excited when theyflashd at it was going to be in London and thousand and nineteen, so I'm still excited now. I think it'sgoing to be a really fun experience, but do I think this is a good as signas any like do continue to take like your precautions, you know, keepyourself in your community. Sav Get your vacsines when you qualify and then well shepherd in a new,hopefully healthy era of two thousand and twenty two. I know I know can'twait absolutely tosjw. I think that brings us rightabout to our card of the day. I will say before you get into that, if you'restarting to have questions and you're in the chat and they're Brewin in yourmind, make sure to drop them in there that way we can get to them when we getto the end of our cast today. So my card of the day, Riley is one wewere talking about just cars from childhood that make us feel a littlenostalgic and for some reason I don't quite know. Why, like I thought thatthis card was kind of cool or it just had that ditinctive. Look that I just think of it as a card for mychildhood that I just remember fondly, and that is car from neo discovery.It's an Omanite and it's in that clay. Yes, the Claamini is so cute yeah, theclay, Amonite and so this card. To me, just I don't know,represents something about my innocence, my childhood, that I can't quite put afinger on why it's Ominite, you know for other people, they might add like astarter, pogamon o or some kind of you know, like maybe a Mutu Card or a chars,ard, cart or something like that. But I was thinking about it. You know all thiweek and I was thinking like man. You...

...know what is a: What is a card?Certainly there are others, but what is a card that I really you know couldbring some spotlight to that? I just think of as being a card that I love orthat I loved growing up and that's Ameni, that's Amonite. So I has thispokemon power, fossil ONC staring your turn. You may flip a coin of headsearch, your deck for a card that evolves from mysterious possil and putit on your bench treat that card as a basic pokemon like insane power yeah. I don't ever remember using thiscard, has a bind attank flipa coin offense of defendng pokmon is paralyzed.I don't ever remember building a deck around it like. I don't think I everreally had any AMA star cards or maybe actually you know what I probably didhave. I probably had base set om a star or there was like a jungle o'm a staror something would have been awesome. Awso Fossiblyo, so I probably made someweird yeah amanite from Nio with the fossil a star deck and it probablywasn't very good, but I probably still be my dad with it El, that's good! That's y heard of the day. That'sawesome, that's awesome and speaking of like ards and collecting and actnestionthereof, I think, is a perfect sege intoprobably one of the hottest topics in Pokemon in the last week or so, andthat's like the collecting and the scalping thereof of pokemak cards. So,if you're out of the loop think at the high level, the mostimportant thing to now is pecon cards are probably the hardest to physicallyacquire that they've ever been at least for newers sets so sre. You know, products are gettingmass bought out, especially like these kind of collector sets. Shoug shining fates is a huge one for that, where they're justlying off the shelves mask crantities right. We also have situations likeMcDonald's is doing a happy meal. Promo, and you know you have people buyingdozens or hundreds of them and just to try and get the cards that they want.It's a it's a pretty wild world out there right now. Honestly, I don'tunderstand I understand about maybe some of the shining stuff. You knowwhere you have the charsards and things like those just are very big cards, butyeah, certainly something like the McDonald's Promo. I think I think partof that is a little bit of an embellishment. I there's certainlytruth. There's certainly truth. Tho People, you know going out and buyingeverything, but I think to some extent, there's maybe a little bit ofembellishment. Just like that, you know kind of there's a little bit ofescapism. I think that that people are finding where they can. You know, bekind of outraged at someone going out and you know buying up a bunch ofpokema cards that could have gone to the kids. And yes, yes, that's that'strue yeah and I mean, if you're buying everysingle happy meal. You know every single happen, meall out of McDonald's,that's y! That's not a it's a great thing to do! USTLIKE THATI DO agree. I think tha and I think what you're getting at islike the quantity of people doing this is, I think, astronomically smallerthan would seem to be. If you were to re like twitter facebook right now, you know I can say with upmostconfidence that I could go to my McDonald's and get a happy meal, noproblem right, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly so so that's yeah, that's kindof how I feel about it. I mean sure Bba upset, I think you know scalping,especially something like that. Just scalping in general is kind ofleaves me with a bad taste in my mouth, but you know: that's that's the free marketbaby. So...

...you know you look at things like this.You look at just like you said, therr, being no hidden fates, no vivid voltage like doadvivid voltagecompetitively sucked. You know let'slet's just be straight up, but Ihave not seen a single etb. You know in any store that I've been inWalmart target. I don't know even like little hobbyshops, I like haven't seen anything which is just crazy to me. So what do you think is like the causeof all this? Is it really just like Logan Pauls entually into the scene oris something large rip light here? Fe I mean it's definitely like a nostalgiatrip twenty five years of Pokemon, so I mean you just look at like just Peoples Nostalgia Com catching upto them. Certainly a big part of it is just scalpers like looking to make aquick buck. I think a lot of a lot of yeah players that there are a lot ofpeople that are kind of getting wise to like. Oh, I could, you know, make ahundred bucks pretty easily. If I just send this card in and get a grated andthen flip it, you know like theyre. That's. I think that business model isgoing to kind of come down here, eventually, probably not too much, butcertainly we've seen a peak. I think and then yeah. I just think people have a lotmore well, they kind of have a lot more disposable income. Like it's kind of Idon't know, I kind of feel like we're in a little bit of a of a fake fakeboom for some people like getting the stimulus, checks and you're, not reallyfor a lot of people, they're, not spending. You know I mean my wife and I like wehaven't spent money out like to eat in a couple months. You know we're.Definitely saving we're, definitely saving ages, foney right, ass mony, like we're, definitely savingmoney in kind of a hidden way. You know where yeah, like you, said the gasmoney we're not really spending a lot to eat, so we have just like kind of that moneyin our pocket that we don't really know what else to do with, but that we're investing that otherpeople might say hey. You know what I can go, buy a POKAMON card and flip itmake a few extra bucks. So I think all those things kind of Contri yeah, I kind of agree with you. It's aalmost a perfect storm. We have set up where you know you have folks likeLogan Paul. I don't think he's like necessarily ther progenitor of all this,but I think you definitely contributed not so much directly, but the fact thatthere's so much publicity around it right where you know a lot of people might not evenbe Logan Paul viewers or fans, but we have this whole hyped of card marketand that definitely it infected other content creators as well. You know youhave like poky main and and train wrecked, and all these streamers whoareopening up boxes on streams and they kind of have to because it's kind ofthe thing right now right yeah, so you know people are getting exposed to it.They're, like Oh yeah, like Pokemon, it's fun or there's looking at like PUKmos a opportunity for you make money so and they have kind of like the timeand money and energy to do it yeah. So you know we're stuck at home is likethe perfect kind of thing for that. You know like taking up box and eitherSiping Oud of cracking it it's. It's really ironic, though, that that theslogan of Pokemon has got to catch them all and then, as soon as someone doesthat you know, the Internet gets furious with that and they catch all ofthe happy meal. Toys yeah, I mean it like it's. You knowit's in the brand right got ta catch them all, so I don't know why everyone'so so upset! No! I'm just kidding, I mean yeah, it sucks it sucks long andshurt of it like I want to get A. I want to get a boxbook my cards, for youknow eighty bucks again it'. I don't see that happening yeah. I thinkscalping is just really crappy, but at the same time like, if someone reallyjust wants to buy like a bunch of stuff for themselves like, I don't think theyshould necessarily be shamed. So you know I'm saying like if they, ifsomeone just really wants like...

...twentytbs, and they want to open allthose suckers- and you know if you're scalping them, it's one thing likethat's crappy, but if you just want all those I feel like those same kind ofpeople are being ashamed and it's like yeah. It sucks that you can't have it,but, like you know they did, they did wanted to have this for themselves, atleast not flipping. It yeah wow itst like yeah. It's just a weird thing:it's a weird thing and then you look at like you know. Even I just feel bad forlike gamestores that maybe don't get a lotments and that are forced to likereally really upcharge certain products and right. It's a weird, weird market out thereright now and a lot of things are weird like bit. Coin is weird, and you knowgame. Stop is weird. Just general economics right now are not making alot of sense, and I think Pokmon is just another extension of them yeah andI think a lot of it just coming. Sanding, like we're stuck at home withmoney, and I time so there you go so pokemanno has cot, wind and maybe alittle bit late, but they have cout, wind and there's they said they'regoing to do something about it, actually, which is pretty impressive.Honestly, so POKEMON has put out AF statemen saying that they are awarethat, like scalping its problem right now, the products are very dafcult tofind there will be, it's implied, they'll, be like pretty heavilyreprinting a lot of their products to try and like accommodate this. I don't know that it doesn't, though,because I mean my counterargument to what Pokemana said, and I mean I'mhappy like overall, I'm happy that they're doing it, I'm just not sure howbig of an impact it's going to make, because you know I saw the other day.Evolution's boosterboxes are going for over a thousand like what is going on.You know it's just ridiculous. So so you know, and evolutions was a set thatthey tried to push on us like nobody's business. Nobody wanted stuff, nobodywanted this to. I you know was I sold a box of evolutions for fifty bucks yeahand I was like kind of happy because I got to eat. You know I got to go out toa nice dinner that night. You know I did at box, so I do have an evolution'sbox here, but you know, if you would aske me a year ago, like hey, is thatevolution's box going to be one of the most expensive pokemon items that youown? I would have said no, no chance. So the fact that it's even in that samebreath is just wild to me and kind of makes me think yeah. Thank you pokemon for doingsomething, but it I mean whatever they can possibly do might not even beenough. I mean who's to say right like car.It's not that difficult from like a monetary perspective for them to likeprint it, an absurd, aout, more right, and so it's about them. I think thedecision comes to like how limited do they want this to be right. Like youknow, we could get. We get shining fates pushed upon us like evolutionsaspushed abous if they really want to there's nothing physically, stoppingthem so who's to say I don't know right. Ithink printimately like once, we start getting enough product. I don't, Ithink scouting would be less of an issue a because there' be more supply,so they'll be less incentive to scell, because you can't Hond it all right and once the supply actually starts tomeet the demand, I think things will start to settle backdown, assuming thatwe're able to accomplish that yeah and Seahn brings up a good point is justsaying like there isn't enough product, so I think certainly, we've seen like aboom and then it's been they're presumably have been some kindof issues with the PA. The supply blind just being interrupted with with covidrelated things. So you know, certainly if we weren't in a covid situationwhere there was less supplied than yeah. Maybe this whole thing would have justbeen the natural kind of flow of the card. You know infllation but or justseeing kind of hyperinflation just because of a lot of factors, notnotably for, like you said not enough...

...cards in circulation, real real. Youknow I I would love to get my hands on ashining fates, so you know itud be be cool. If I couldlike go to the store and get one of those I'm with you man or go to the store andget one of those but not pay, you know three times the price, because thereare, there are some people. You know I follow a couple of local Columbusgroups and yeah hidden fates, visid voltage or like etbs, or you know well, over a hundred and fifty it'slike crazy out there, man yeah like I want. I want the luxury theng able towalk to my local target or drive there. I guess I wouldn't wouldn't walk there. You know walk inside, go to the littlecard section by the cast register and pick up a box of cars yeah. You know,yeah exactly nice little pleasant, collector kit, O cards go into the cash adister pay theappropriate amount of money oyep. Exactly that's funny Tou. You know, I hope thatpurkmons able to achieve that for their consumers Yep I did. I did also I meant to mentionthis earlier, but I kind of forgot in the heat of themoment of talking. Do you realize that ATP effectively gotbanned from the World Ampon Shif Wat's, wild? All it took was a pandemic if he never got to go to the worldchampionship, Thas, so crazy. To me, I was thinking about this as soon as theyannounced it. It's pretty sad man poor one out for abrother. It's so funny man like Yo. Now peoplewere clammoring for the band and you know all it took like. I said it was aglobal pandatic to take eighty feed down. It's going to be interesting to look atjust the the just evolution of the game acrosslike a a lost two years. Essentially right like the competitive play,presumably returning sometime mid two thousand and twenty two, and so youknow we last played early, two thousand and twenty and then just to see kind ofwhere the cards are at that'll. Be a really interesting comparison. So theyshould just release a Riley Hober will champion two thousand and twenty onedeck a just for that. Cois Dude, let's, let's make our own World Championship,Dex, Ang team, world championship, Dex and then yeah well print and distributethem that'd be sick that not illegal either yeah non o no well call thim somethingdifferent. So Ah I just thought that was crazy.Imagine having like a one of those three turn ATP Games in the world,Spinal Mith Man. That would be pretty fun, wouldn'tit that would be so cool o just like an inside job. I'vedifferent at ATP from Aveay, TURNRO VINALS! That's right! That's right!Yeah! It's! It's like like what like kind of the alluminadi yeahexactly for Oca Lis, forcing forcing a pandemic on the world so that ADPcannot win. Thatt seems doubtful, but does 't HO INSO we'll take we'll takesome questions from Shaw. We have one from Sean here says: Do you think a lotof household names from the thousand and nineteen season will have moved onfrom Pokemon when large scale events return rigtly? What do you think aen?Something I've been thinking about recently, not necessarily for myself, but youknow I look out- and I see a lot of thesefolks that I play pokmont closely with that- aren't really active in theonline scene, anymore, theyre kind of just live in their best life right now,which I think living your best life caninclude poke. No, I realize they came off for Angi, but like they're, justkind of out there doing their thing,...

...they're not really worried aboutHokemon right now and I'm wondering like if that'll translate when ot comesback you I talked to a couple of my friendsas well and they said yeah like maybe I got one more season to me and I'll justlike try to get to a world of otherwise I'm done. So I'm I'm curious myself.Honestly. I do think there will be some amount of people who like use this astheir exit for sure. I think a lot will depend on yourperspective and also like the the cross section of household like what do youconsider a household name right sure I do think there will be some amount ofthem that will exit. I think some of them will also thoug come back, eventhough they haven't necessarily been doing online stuff because they'e, justlike aren't into the online and they'd rather play in rear life yeah I mean, Ithink you look at kind of our group as being a group that just isn't reallythat into the online scene. I mean you know rally. I know that you, you don'tplay a ton like I try to play when I can, I I would say amongst you me andAndrew, like we're. Probably I'm probably the most plugged into the likeon my tournament scene, which is really not saying much again, because Iprobably play on aver like less than less than a tournament a month Eaa. Ifyou go outside US three in the group, it's really very little onlineinvolvement, yeah yeah. So I think just looking at that like yeah, that's, but but I think right now. This is agreat time I mean I've. Been I've been preaching this too. It's just like ifyou are somebody that hasn't made a name for themselves andyou want to. I think the online scene is a great place to start and then whenwe do get turn in this back like if you have played a ton already, you get good.You know you build up those mechanics, you build up the ability to sequencewell and the ability to check prize as well like you're, going to go off on a Tarra. Ihave no doubt when things come back because they're Gong to you know, Imean it's just like any other skill like the more you let it atrophy. Youknow it's not like you can just kind of I mean there are. Certainly you cankind of pick it up in a sense, but you know obviously the more practice youhave, the more you'll be able to to navigate situations better thansomeone that hasn't practiced. So I think right now is really greatincubation period for newer players or players that are looking to kind ofbreak into that next level, be it just from an average player to a good playerfrom a good player to a great player like I think now is the opportunity todo that. Yeah and I think, honestly, what ultimately end up happening iswi'll have sort of a partial changing of the guard, where you know some folksmight kind of step away from the game, but they'll ultimately be replaced bypeople who have been really grinding and end up being kind of really strong super star kind ofplayers, hen they end up having the chance Yep Yep, so JW we've talked a lot about pokemoncurrents and future. What are you most looking forward to in terms of likepokamine? At the moment I I've been enjoying players cup. Imaybe I'm like gonna get freaking like railed on for that, but I don't know man I like just competing. I just can't wait for you know I wantmore official tournaments to compete in like playing in the online formats andstuff. Like that, but I much prefer you know if pokamancomes out- and it's like hey we're doing this thing, this tournament likeI'd rather be there right, then then play pretty much anything else. So Yeah I've really been enjoying playersscup and I feel like I found. I think there are opportunities to enjoy thegame right now. I know that you know there's a lot of negativitysurrounding the game, but I think that the negative voices are generally justthe loudest voices and I think that there are still you know, you'relistening to this and you're like. Why is everyone so angry about pokemon islike well they're, just voicing their opinion and so like I'll voice. Myopinion right now, when I say I enjoy...

...the game, think it's still pretty funagain, not a grat format, not the worst format. I've ever played in, and I findI've been finding that there's room for high high amounts of enjoyment rightnow, like like my enjoyment of the game right now, when I play a game, that'sreally exciting is as high as it's ever been for anyother format, so yeah. So I would say: I've enjoyed itand there's room for enjoyment right now, N, the in the game, and I want toplay more games that mean something. So that's what I'm excited for yeah andI'm sure Puck mountill find more opportunities to kind ofsert themselvesinto online spear, given they have like an extra year to do it so yeah we'rereally hoping again like that they can. I don't know that necessarily solve theonline sper, and certainly the players Cup were a really good step in thatdirection. But yeah you, you got to think that they should try to roll themout a little bit more frequently or do other sorts of events, or I don't know, be just be innovative andcreative, with the way that they utilize their their online player base.Absolutely well, I will say, if you ever want to see a man enjoy himselfplaying. POKEMON cards, definitely tuned into JW stream and Youtu videos.I say this not just as his podcasting partner, but I really like watching jwsvideo the do give them a s. A sub on Youtube, Fluk, staddy, rigches onYoutube and twitch follows on twitter as well. That's tag tea pokemon for theshow mouse of RILSA and real John Walter for the individuals and be sureto leave a rate in review on your favorite podcasting platforms. Tell uswhat you' like and what you'd like to see. Change about the show yeah that'l be great wel appreciate youguys a lot as always: I'm riht Holbert joined byJW Cre Wall and we'll catch you next time. Peace See Yau.

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