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Season 4, Episode 7 · 1 month ago

4-7. It's Getting Hot In Here

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Join Tag Teams JW as well as Rob Stephens from the Heat Factory Podcast as they discuss life, podcasting, and how to prepare for the upcoming *potential* season.Use code TAGTEAM at manscaped.com for 20%off + free shipping on any manscaped male grooming product!

Welcome back to tag team, everyone, thePokemon, TC G's, premiere, podcasting duo. My name is j, W Cree Wall andtoday I'm joined by Rob Stevens. Oh S, the heat factory podcast rob how's itgoing. Oh Man, I couldn't be feeling better. I'm excited here to talkpokemon with you guys. How are you doing tonight? I am doing quite well.Yes, I, let's see I went over to our community garden and they were having a kind of festival thing. I don't reallyknow like they do these kind of events every two or three months, and so thiswas a big event. So I went out and I got some some flat bread that they hadat a food truck and then I walked around the garden and saw the littlekids there painting some Pumpkins. It was real nice and then, let's see theyhad a apple cider press. That was, I think, the hot ticket that has beenthat was pretty cool. I there they're pumping out, you know putting theapples in and juicing them, squeezing them getting the the the A fighter, aplus fall right. There yeah. It was really good a tumal dream. Absolutelyabsolutely do you have like a favorite autumn activity that you just love todo. You know my kids love e, the Pumpkins, like all things Pumpkins, butnot in the way that, like the instagram people do but like the actual Gidanlike going and getting the Pumpkins and painting lots of painting of thePumpkins, I have three kids. So we're always looking for like littleactivities to do feels very crafty. Although I'm living down in Louisianaand it is doesn't feel like fall, it's almost getting to where it just barelyfeels like fall here, it's incredibly hot. So so my favorite Palatii y willbe not mowing the lawn. I think, because it's so hot outside yes, yesfor sure, when does it get cold in Louisiana or does it like? Do you havea cold season? I don't think nothing here compares to. I lived inOhio for four years right and nothing here compares to the winters there.Even close I mean the lowest it gets here. Is You know in the this?Sometimes it's snowed twice three times in my memory and the snow when I say itsnowed like a joke of snow compared to what you guys get up there so well, Ieven think like Columbus is pretty chill. You know compare because I livedin Michigan and then I love Ye Eveland yeah. Those are both on the water andyou just get pummelled with like the like of x now and then Columbus feels.Like you only get snow. You know maybe a week out of the out of the year, likeyou know, intersperse right you'll get a day at a time, maybe like seven oreight days of actual snowfall. I don't know my mom and dad visited me one timein Ohio when I was living and I was living in Canton and it was snowingabout as bad as it ever snows there and we were trying to drive up a hill inthe car stalled on the hill. I swear to God. They almost justmurdered me in that moment because they were just so afraid and had neverdriven in that and just you know, but they were troopers. We turned aroundand we made it. We made it to church on times it was all good. That's so epicyeah, it's amazing that rocks so we are so happy to have you here. I postedactually on twitter a couple of weeks ago now is like hey. If we were to do aCollab who you know what would we do, and I think it was owing through thetwitter of the heat factory, podcast he's like hey, we should we should joinup some time and he was very proud of that moment. He said: Hey Man, I got uson. I got split so yeah, it's great. It's great, so tell us a little bitabout yourself, rob and then also tell us about the heat factory podcast,which I find to be a a nice. You know part of the POKEMON and if you know, ifour listeners haven't checked out the heat factory, podcast kind of tell themwhat they would be in for where they listen to listen to some episodes, yeahthanks so much for the plug. We basically conceived the heat factorypodcast on the way to a regionals. I think it was a West Virginia regionals, or maybe it was the Jersey regionalsand we were on the way to Atlantic City and were on, and I run in the car- andI said- and this is, I think you guys started- maybe just right before this,because I wasn't a word of TAC team- I'm not sure if Hilliad started at thispoint, but I said Oh and you know what the Potman community really needs likea consistent, podcast and and both both tag team and he factory, started towrite about similar time. I think so, yeah, yeah and and since then, we've just been havinga lot of fun. I think our podcast would like compliment tag team in a way.You guys talk about a lot about the MED and stuff. We do. We do a little morelike interviews, some behind the scenes of the game. So we've done things likeinterview, a judge who, like a J S, mockers, come on and talked aboutputting together a leak cup and we've interviewed, and occasionally we talkedabout the Meta and things like that. I particularly pride myself and enjoydoing interviews, so that's a big part of the podcast and- and you know, tryto do some kind of different things: a behind thescenes, how to create content, how to...

...buy and sell cards that kind of thing,but also about the competitive scene. Yeah it's. I would say it's a littlemore. You know scripted right. There have been some kind of like history,episodes that are that are really interesting and yeah. I mean definitely something thatyou should check out now talk to us a little bit about that. Like consistency,I would love to know kind of what what kind of struggles that you guys have,because I know Riley- and I have you know some struggles like you know rightnow, you're Riley's, not here, because he's working all right, you know sotalk to us a little bit about the struggle behind creating a podcast. Sowhen I first started, we both I live in canton and on lives about. I don't knowlike forty five minutes away from where I lived, so we were doing it live inperson like together in the same room, Oh and within, I think, six months ofUS starting the podcast. I realized that me and my family were going tomove to Louisiana for a number of reasons, so that made it incrediblyhard one of the big struggles for us in something that makes it hard to do itregularly. That we are just starting to really solve. Is that Owen works reallyearly in the morning and I'm a night owl and just that difference is hugeand I'm also an hour ahead of you guys right so you're R eastern time oncentral time, and so I get home at about six o'clock your time sometimeslater than that, sometimes more like seven and Owen goes to bed at likeeight or nine, which doesn't leave a whole lot of time, which is why I'mgoing to call on out right now, love on which he was here, but he's probablysleeping, probably has this on on on his pillow.Next to him. That's what I like to imagine right now, yeah remind meremind me what Owen does, because you you are in the library system, yeah,I'm the library I in a Loran. I do like outreach social media. All that kind ofstuff for a Bery Owen does work in like surveying. So, Oh and actually, if yougive him a map of your house like a Google Mouse, you can go on GoogleEarth and like tell you, which way, all your wires run and like your telephone,Poles, work and all that kind of stuff. He does kit that kind of work. It'sreally interesting stuff and he's been doing that for a long time now. Yeahdoes a really good job, but because of that, I think he has to wake up early.Sometimes you have to travel around to like sites and that sort of thing o oand don't kill me if I'm describing your job not right, but I think that'sone does that's great. That's great! Well Yeah!So the heat factory podcast going well. You know you've been running for aboutthree years now. I think right that if we started about the same time and thatyeah, maybe it's making a little less than that, but like yeah and it's beena little on and off we're getting back into, we released an episode last weekand we got an episode coming up on how to prep your your CG account for thetransition over to TG lives. That's extremely important, yeah, that's goingto be definitely must, must listen material for a lot of players. Talk to me a little bit about yourselfnow in the sphere of the POKEMON trading card game. You Know How longyou've been playing. What may be have been some successes or you know,challenges or whatever it is that you want to share about yourself withinpokmanty background, so I am like in some way then ogposites n some ways,I'm not in that I play when I was a kid right. When the game come out, I hadbasset stuff. You know I was looking for like blast toys and chars ard backwhen they were coming out. When I was, you know, I don't know ten eleven yearsold, I played one tournament when I was a kid and did really well and it wasn't. A sanction term is justlike at a local store and then got made fun of it for in high school andstopped playing, which is kind of a sad story. Except for that, then, when Imoved to Ohio Asama moving, a friend of mine was like yeah, you saw your ownpokmanty, pull it out and start playing. I was like, I wonder what the sceneslike now and Ohio, as you know, is like one of the best places to live in theworld for Pokemon. It might be yeah. I like, I would venture to say it it'sone of yeah like if not the best place yeah, I agree. A hundred percent and sokind of just walked into the episode of Pokemon fell in love with it. It becamemy community in Ohio M, and my highlight was not my first year, but mysecond year playing, I made it to worlds, and that was the year that Iplayed in a tournament that was pre worlds and I played buzzword or likebaby buzz Gar before kind of anybody was playing it and that deck kind oftook off, and that was that was like my biggest accomplishment was that year,making its world having a deck that I made like kind of enter. The Meta andlots of people made lots of better changes to the deck that I did. But ifnothing else was like one of the first people to pilot it at a tournament anddo water, and then I've had lots of sort of like top like day to finishesand stuff. But that was my biggest accomplishmentand worlds. Look if you make it to worlds. Anybody who does when I made itto worlds our our common friend Otto walked up to me and he was like he madeit. Man Like he put his it was like. I was being knighted by Ainy, know likeyou did it and it's definitely a it's. Definitely a big. You knowaccomplishment especially like your first time. Yeah like that's, alwaysit's kind of relieving in a way right, because you t you have to do a lot ofplanning ahead yeah for that invitation.

We we'll talk about this later.Actually, this is going to be a sure. Second half of the PODCAST, but yeahthere's a lot that goes into it. So it's really a special moment,especially a first time yeah, so yeah. So you have a family, beautifulfamily. So my kids, I have three children. Talula is seven, so you know to lois very right now intolike the gender stereotypes like the like. She doesn't want to wear a Batmanmask because she says it's a boy mask so might have a little trouble gettingher into the game, but I have a lot of hope for my other two kids, loyal andRook, who are five and two and Rooke's my youngest and he's definitely goingto play he's hundred Crestina. He doesn't actually doesn't have an option.It's like your mom. Sending you piano lessons, we that's going to be yeahwhat's going on in the house. So that's right! That's awesome, yeah! That's how,as you're saying your children's names, how did you come up with yourchildren's names as ouside? So No, no, the they're unusual names, my name isRob Stevens, which time so I didn't want any kid to have a name where yougo and look at yourself on facebook and there's like eight hundred other, no,no offense, my parents, my Term Damn't get for my dad, but so my my kind of me and Jackie took turns Jackin my life, took, turns picking the name sort of in and making sure theother one agreed. So tolulu t a name that we like there's not any sort ofsignificance other than we love those sort of musicality of it, and it just was the one of the firstnames we agreed upon. So we went with it. Jackie came up with it. A Loyola Iwas raised. Catholic and Catholic. Being Catholic is a big part of myhistory and so there's a Saint Ignatius of loyal. I just like the word. I, likethe sound in history and rook of my brother's twitch tag, is and likegaming tag is righteous rook and we were going to name him after my brother.I wanted to name him Sean, but my wife was like I don't super love. That name,and she jokingly said why don't we name him rook after your brother's gamingtag, not thinking it would become a thing, and then it was the thing I was like.Yes, that's exactly what we're going to do. That's so epic yeah. So we've takenlots of pictures of him with chess pieces and I'm a chess enthusiast. So Ididn't know that okay yeah all right, I see I got into chest a little bit likeI had a roommate over pandemic that was really into chess, so I got into likewhat you know so I know, like you, know the boates sisters and like Annacrambling and of them chest and like when all that stuff really blew up overthe pandemic. I know yeah lots of those hobbies that you know. I think w youand I have a lot of Comin- is just poke them on board gaming chefs I'm also amusician not as accomplished as you are in the bassoon, but but I but I meinrest, and you know you like books. I have also read books before so. I think I think I think you know there could bemore opportunities for us to. You know at least hang out and like grab a beer,something yeah. Definitely man definitely love that. That's awesome,so good all right. So let's talk now about a little bit more about the heatfactory podcast, so you're, a fellow you know, of course, content creatorwithin the poons phere and ye walked us through how it how it all kind ofstarted on that road trip. But what are some? Maybe favorite, episodes thatyou've done from your past that really stick out to you. As being youmentioned a few, a J's interview as a judge- and you have maybe a few futureprojects coming up. T E E, like what's your favorite episode, that you lookback and you say this is why I wanted to make this content yeah so tokind of come to mind one as we did a podcast. That was really kind of myidea and remember. I think I mentioned the: U That I'm the one who typicallyedits the podcast ours, not a live podcast. So from an editing standpoint,we did one where I called top ten players,five top ten players, and I did ten minute interviews with each one of them.So I called I got in touch with Zack, massage Daniel Tavia. I Zaa bradergrant manly and a Zol, and I talked to each of them one at a time for tenminutes and ask them questions on how to get better at Pokemon, and Istitched it together and kind of from an editing and just from a like. Thatwas an accomplishment you know to get dog with all those guys to make. Itseem like it was a holistic thing and just the advice that those players gaveall in one spot was really. It was really amazing. I would I actually waslooking through as you kind of brought this up like before the pod, like heywe're going to talk about some favorite episodes, and I was like man. I need togo. Listen that episode again, because it was a super fun process and then theand then the other thing I mentioned I love doing, is interviews and we'vedone some great interviews. I think interviewing Andrew Mahon, who for mehas been someone I've kind of looked up to in the community as a role model interms of you know his concencion and his devotion to the game, and so we dida two part interview with Andrews, and...

...that was just kind of a dream come true.He was so gracious in it and he was really enlightening and it was just funlike it was just fun. We got to sit down in a room with him. Me, Owen andAndrew sitting in the tricky. Gym Live Basically YeahNice talking to him, and it was amazing. So those two episodes, I think, wereSuper Fun and we've done lots of lots of different things like you know,stuff like what belongs behind pay walls, and we did an episode. The mewworld order story that was like an old pokmon story, yeah a Super Fun, so sojust a lot of really fun and interesting stuff, like yeah yeah, andI think I really value that kind of perspective like the long form content,that's edited and that you script and that's like very much research based ina lot of cases, and that's that's, really really valuable. You knowtelling these stories in that way. So looking forward you already mentioned,you know your next episode, but y a s or anything that you see as kind of thefuture of the podcast like where you want to go a type of content. You wantto make any other episodes that you want to make beyond. You know kind ofyour next one that you're planning yeah. So this is kind of funny, because I Igot a message from Owen on like messenger the other day and it was likewell, there goes our episode idea and it was a picture of your tweet saying great idea for content. Coaching like evaluate coaches, one ofthe very first ideas that Owen had was to like anonymously, get coaching untillike ten people, we would do coaching with them and then get the coaching andthen like do a review of the coaching, but only really review like the bestones, not really talk about. We don't want to talk badly about anybody, sureand, and it would be an opportunity for those coaches to plug their coaching.That's a that's like a dream episode. The amount of work to go into. That isa lot. That's really long form, but that's a dream for me. I want to dothat episode. That's something I want to live up to. I've got another episodeidea I want to do. I have an episode idea for I have takenand made a spreadsheet of all of the the pokemon cards that have won worldchampionships. The slogan O Pokemon is to be the very best like no one everwas or one of the slogans, and I wanted to go an episode on like what whatPokemon has won the most world championships and like who's, been leftoff that list and lie, and so I thought that you know that's a really fun justsort of take on the car game. Historical, take yea and in opportunityto con for me to dive into those World Championship, decks and think aboutlike man. Why was that car good then? And and what does this say about thegame now and it's both backward and forward looking in a really fun way?Yeah, I think so, and you look at kind of the history of Pokemon in terms ofthey definitely make certain cards way better than others. You know, for themost part like mew mew, to like they're kind of like elevated right power level,pedestal as opposed to your pincers or grimers or whatever right,like there's just a difference there. So that would be. That would be reallyinteresting. Yeah, I think it'd be fun. It's also interesting. Definitely yourbig names are like the expected ones that they are. You know guarded orthose kind of things are winning, but there are some like weird ones in therelike ball toys, weirdly like one world championships, because there was likeone car of their printed- that's banded like three meadows and that just was in every deckor every winning Decimo in that time, yeah and then there was yeah and Ithink it was played in like a there was like a team magma did that also have II oh yeah yeah so and that's the type of card that now will come out andwe'll hit for three energy for ten damage. You know, but it was like you know, it was likereally amazing card, so yeah for sure yeah for sure cool. What motivates you you know? I am really motivated by theproduct itself by producing something like, obviously the interactions we getwith. Our fans motivates to me, and I think that motivates Owen. A lotlike. I don't want to speak too much on his behalf, but I think that's a bigthing he likes the like. You know he's mostly who runs our heat factorytwitter. For me, though, it's like look at thislittle thing that I made right like look so I'm a poet, that's I have likea PhD and poetry and I really love to craft poems I like to make things andfor me there's just beauty and like man, I edited this episode. I went throughand took out all of me and owens ums and us, and I stitch these thingstogether and I made this into coherent products, andit's something that Owen and I have both taken pride in. Is that like look like? Sometimes Ijust go through anchor and like look at her episodes, I'm like that's, you know,so it's driving the content ahead in terms of like doing new stuff, withcontent that maybe other craters aren't doing. It's certainly making stuff foran audience and having people listen to our podcast and consider us and beingknown as fun to when people have said like, Oh and I'm sure, you'vehad this experience like your playing against somebody and like, Oh, you dothe factory. Like our you know, all you...

...do tag team and that's how they kind ofknow who you are, but just making stuff for me is a huge motivator and gettingbetter at the game. It makes me think about the gaming ways I had before itmakes me, and I am super competitive at the game like in terms of my attitude.You know I don't know as play super competitively, but I always feel supercompetitive. I am the same way I'm just like when I am playing. You know when Ikind of have like a like a silly mode and like a serious mode, but when I'min serious mode you know that is life or death like everything. Oh Yeah isabout the game. Everything else shuts off and I'm just right. There Yeah I'vedefinitely seen that in myself and in you and lots of players, and I thinkyou have to have that switch because I've had you, I'm sure, you've had thisexperience in Games where you let your foot off the gas a little bit thinking.I got this under control and then it just comes back to bite you. You knowyou have to keep it that competitive edge, so so learning about the game,definitely a big part of the podcast and getting to talk with people who arebig players in the game and getting to share them and their platforms. Ifyou're listening to this- and you think that you're, you know, someone in thecommunity want to have an interview, that's the sort of thing we're superinterested in M. do you remember one like salient detail from, maybeparticularly that episode that you recorded with the five differentplayers like? Do you remember one particular detail that really stood outto you from them, or maybe they had something that they all kind of said.You know thing that stood out to me was one of the things I set out. Oddly, wasI expected to go and out so one of the question I asked them is like okay,it's the pen. It was this. Was it not like the height of the Pende, becausethis was when we were all locked down together, and I said what should we allbe doing right now to be better pokemon players? And I expected them to all saythe same thing and something that really stuck out to me was that theyall said different things. One of my favorite things that I saa bradder saidwas that he goes back and watches like old, like Old Conte, like oldtournaments, to just learn about the pace of the game and learn about. He isone of the best like sequencers. I think that I've spoken to andinteracted with a D, and that was another thing that people had lots ofdifferent strengths. Like someone one player said, I'm really a deck builderand another- and I forgive me, I don't remember who were saying these are gutthings and another player was like deck building is not actually my like strongsuit, but I can take a good deck and then like win a tournament with itright, so the different, the different things. They said that the one thatpiece of vice that and then I haven't, listened to all that much, althoughI've watched more is going back and watching content and just reallywatching games and dissecting what's going on in them. I just think not a lot of us have the attention spanto sit and do that and it's a really valuable skill to our way to sharpenyour skills up, oh for sure, completely agree. There awesome awesome. So withlast question about the heat factory pocket, Er Yeah, what's your ultimategoal? What are you looking to to gain? What will you accomplish that will makeyou you know like if there is ultimate satisfaction, I mean I know you saythat you, you know, enjoy kind of the creative process right right. What willyou feel good about like if you ever have to leave the heat factory podcast?What you will you feel good about accomplishing like what would you liketo accomplish before that journey is over? That's that's, honestly kind of a hardquestion for me to answer because I'm process face, but I think that so thisis going to sound silly. We have talked for a long time ofmaking like a really cool sweatshirt or like t shirt for the heat factory yeah,and so the goal is not so we can do that, but the goal is to, I think, ifwe made sweat church of t shirts and got and they had enough of an audienceand enough of a falling that people were like really excited to have andwear those that's not like a huge amount of fame.It's like a little bit of fame, where, like we have people who are likeexcited to have that logo on them. I think that would be the kind of markerthat I would leave and be like man. That was a really cool thing I did inmy life like I ran this podcast and we got people excited about us as a brandand as like an entity, I don't need you know a billionlisteners or anything like that. I would love that. Obviously we all would.What about you guys? What's The tact team like? What would you walk awaywith the taxing feeling good about? Is that I'm looking interview here butyeah now, that's great, I feel like we've. For My perspective, we'veachieved it. You know the point of the podcast from my perspective has been toyou know because I have you know, shifted content on Youtube to be alittle more casual, not completely completely casual, but you know alittle more casual because I think that's how the game brose is like. Youhave to have an entry point. That's a point definitely and then you get thatentry point and you get down into the dark stuff. You know, and I kind ofthink of tag team is like the dark stuff where it's like the Meta analysisand the particular card texts- and you know all the things that relate to youknow the game on a week by week basis, and so you know in terms of ultimategoals. I think like in terms of the content, what it is I think it's there.I think we've achieved what we've wanted to achieve in terms of like theevolution of the content, that's not to say that we won't continue to grow andadd or subtract to make it better. But...

...of course you know where we have it. Wefeel good about it and then also, I think I've achieved that what I wantedto from from tag team, in the sense that you know like you're saying youknow that kind of fame aspect of of not that we're famous but like there arepeople that reliably listen to the podcast, so much so that if we don'tupload the episode on Wednesday night people are, I get. You know five, six,seven half a a dozen messages that are like hey where's, the cast yeah, it'slike yeah, you know. Oh, there was some processing here and it's like you feelbad about it. But then it's like. Oh my gosh. There are all these people thatare messaging an be the other relying on you right exactly exactly and that'sit is like you know, they're, like hey, you got me through this day. You got methrough an hour of this day and you know thank you. I it's like wow. It's Ithat you're a regular part of someone's week. It was like a really cool thing.Like I have my podcasts that I listen to every week. You know I listen tolike whatever sports, podcast, etc, and that's a part of my week like onMondays, I listen to sport, podcast and so to think that your that tag team isa part, and you know I think he factory. We need to be a little more regular andgetting back in the flow of it, but that we could be a part, a regular partof people's lives. That's that's a super cool thing achieve for sure, yeahyeah. It's definitely awesome, so he props on that to you guys, yeah well,future props. To you I mean I'm sure that I'm sure it's already happened,but like right right as you as you get, you know more regular and thinks thatthat's a huge, that's a huge blessing to be a part of somebody's life likethat. So right, let's go now to to our card of the day, rob you're going totake it away for us and we're going to hear from you know about a car thatwe've never featured on this show before. So why don't you go for it Rabtell us your cart of the day, and you know, maybe you give a story leading upto the big reveal about kind of what it means to you, either in a competitiveor personal sense, and why you chose this card. So when I was when I was akid and playing we were, I was in my my friend invited me over his house bobbyand Bobby said. I have a new deck and I want you to bring your best deck andbring it. So I brought my little like I didn't know that they was called thisat the time. I had just sort of made a version of haymaker over to his houseand he stalled me out through the whole game, and I saw as I was shooting thiscar. I saw that you had just tweeted recently about how you, like you, loveplaying like stall and, like word right, so I chose from the jungle set Mr Mineand this Mr Mim. It's Mr Mine number. I think so. I've got a blurry picturehere, but it's either eight or six out of sixty four, and this is the one withthe POKEMON pallor invisible wall whenever an attack, including your own,does thirty or more damage to Mr Mine after playing weeks resistance preventthat damage. That's this thing had forth P and you could only hit it forten or twenty if you hadid anything more than that the damage was prevented. This makes a lot of sense in a stalldeck because it's actually really hard. Sometimes, if you get all your pokemonpowered up, they all hit for more than that right, even or at time when therewas lower HP and on all that kind of stuff. That's right- and I don't knowthat and correct me from wrong, because I have kind of a gapish. I don't knowthat there's been a poke power exactly like this, since more an ability likethis since yeah I mean I guess you could look at like the odds or evens.Mr Yes, but those are you know. Obviously it's not a one to one rightright. There's L, there's a tradition of Mr Mine blocking damage in a weirdway right, and I have frequently wish that therewas a card like this in the standard format, although it would obviously beoverpower now, you would hardly find put them on that attack for a tunertwenty. But aside from just the cool built, thecool Po poke on power, the card artist, super cool you've got Mr mom kind ofholding his hands up and and there's a golden rings. Circling behind him he'sdoing like, I guess, like a barrier type move trim and Mr Mom one of myfavorite pokemon I've dressed as Mr mine for Halloween, which was a not my best costume, but itwas certainly e's creepy if nothing else. Well, I honestly, like I got tosay the character of Mr Mine, like you said, is creepy it freaks me out. Ithink it's an abomination, pokemon and all you're doing is just feeling mylove for it. There you go here, you go yeah I just like, I feel like pokemonmight be a better franchise. If Mr Mine didn't exist, but like that's, I guessalso the beauty of Pokemon is that they catered to everyone yeah. You know youhave your big strong dragons! You got your. You know, you got your littlebugs and you got your weird human form Pokemon. That again shouldn't exist.It's it's! That only has four fingers, none the less yeah and that look likesuction cups. Like yeah. I don't really know it's up with that. Why he's gotsuction cups and he's got his little curly shoes, his red dots and his weirdshoulder pads, so yeah just a lot to hate about it for suree what yeah, butI think I'm not kidding them. I, like I,...

...don't look at Mr Mon and think Oh wow,that's amazing and blows me away like they're a poem on like that that Ireally enjoy. You know it's more of like what is this weird thing this,like this weird outcast of the game, doing in the game. You know all right.So that's that's my history of Mr Mime and that's my card and you know, is moves his attack,meditated ten damage, plus ten more for each damage, counter on the definingbook, Em on so some relevance there, but really really fun for like a stalldeck where you just trying to get you your ponent to run out of cars. That'sright! That's absolutely correct, and one thing about Mr Mind that I canappreciate. Is that he's very smooth, as will yourpokemon hokee balls, the after you get manscapes products? So do youknow what spook here then seeing a Gan Gar on Halloween? It is not shavingyour master balls with anything other than manscapes products when it comesto below the way screaming. There is no need to carve your pump Gaboos thishalloween, because man scape, is here. The UP. Grater grooming experience gofrom an Ekins to an ar box and join the two million men world wide by going toManscapes for twenty percent off and free shipping with the code tag team.So let's be honest guys if you're anything like me, you've put exactlyzero dollars into self care other than a two, and one shampoo. That's right! IM. can you guys out? That's me for sure, and a packet of dollar store disposablerazors, and so I struggled for years with inconsistency and injuries tryingto shave myself. So let me help you change that Love Yourself, love yourbody and give manscapes the shot. That's manscapes with cod tag team,twenty percent off freshing manscapes code tag team and make your tarubleshappy excellent. Thank you rob for enduringthat. There is no need to think knocklyontalking about goals on a podcast having a sponsor super cool and a really coolsponsor. So yes, yes, thank you. So much gin do well with the redoubts.Thank you so much to Manscapes for sponsoring tag team and they have ye been been a great sponsorhere over t next, you know the last month and hopefully many more months tocome, so rob I want to ask you now about some tips and tricks for the kindof variety of players that might belistening to this cast right now. You know we get a lot of competitiveplayers, but we also get a lot of players. Youknow that are that are just beginning their journey into competitive play.I've talked to so many people that listen to the cast or I've met them inperson, and they are just getting into the game and they've just gotten intothe game over the pandemic, and so they're really excited for what itwould mean for them to go to an in person. Tournament, and you know, see what that's all about right:they've, never been to a League Cup they've, never been to a regional orworlds or anything like that. So I want to ask you some some questions. Just Iknow you've been playing a long time. I know you've been playing competitivelya long time and it's just always good to get these new perspectives on whatyou know you might be able to offer to a new player season player persontrying to get their worlds invite. So what would you say rob to a seasonplayer that is, you know, they're hearing a we got competitive events,possibly coming back as soon as January in the United States. What would you say to them right now interms of getting prepared for that season could be monetary considerations could be. Youknow from a playing perspective? What's some advice you have yeah. This seasonis going to be strange too, because of the way that some people are going tostart with points in some art, so maybe a little different, but I think thefirst thing I would do is I would go back a lot of us play online as youwell know, and all of us who who've gone through it well now is anincredibly different experience from playing in person. Pull your cards backout. Make sure that you're shuffling well make sure that you and play someIRL Games? If that means you have to get on with your homie and do it overthe you know, over skype presume orwhatever program you use play. Those Ir Al Games make sure that you're checkingyour prizes. Make sure that you know every card in your deck. Make sure thatyou're calculating the you know sort of simple odds that you need to calculatein your head and get used to those skills, one of the hardest things forme about playing online, and I I think I've heard you talk about this before jw is that when I am playing online, it is so easy to go an autopilot and letthe game like run itself and let the game just like draw your seven cardsand to forget the like little text that might make might make you lose the gameright to like involve to Drizeley and not remember that you can't thenretreat, because you have like the stadium that allows rapid strikes toretreat the tower sure yeah. Those kind of mistakes are so easy to make whenyou're on auto pilot and playing online...

...really lends itself to autopilot so getoff the auto pilot get back. You know into the physicality of the game andpractice you know shuffling drawing and playing real games. I think that wouldbe the very first thing I would do, and I would start doing that as soon as youcan. I think that will make a huge difference and I think you're going tosee in like the first tournaments beat regionals or whateveryou're going to see those players who kind of rest them out of laurels and agood plan online come to those tournaments and feel like.Oh, my gosh. This is weird. It doesn't feel you know I haven't done this in awhile, but for the most recent set before tachteam had not tech team. Excuse me tricky Jim hadthe tournament at full grip for this rotation. I was playing some cameragames with, like with a couple of friends who wentto that tournament, and it was like whoa playing playing first off, it's sofun in a different way. Yet also you get rusty man, it happens, itabsolutely does yeah. I find myself during that whole event, just kind ofplaying cards, and it just felt a little just. I don't know how todescribe it really other than awkward like it was like yeah. I was flyingthings down and and retreating and it like didn't quite feel right and Icouldn't quite put my finger on it, but it was like yeah I hadn't actuallyplayed with physical cards. For you know this was the longest period oftime since I've been playing competitively that I hadn't actuallyplayed with physical carts well and if you pop your fifty dollars or sixty orseventy whatever it's going to be for a regional new shop to regional andthat's how you feel you don't want that to be your first experience, you knowyou want it to be smooth to feel like a routine, so that would that would be myfirst first tip for this sort of seasoned player. The other thing is, Iwould go back log an make sure your acount looks good make sure you knowhow many points you have and and as soon as we sort of figured out thepoint structure. That was one thing I was always super on top of when I waschasing worlds, was like how many points do I need? How many events do Ineed to get there? How many events do I know that I'm just going to like look, I, I don't think any of us go to everyLeague Cup, the even the best of us and just get top at every time. Unless youlive in sort of an isolated area. Where there's you know, your league cups aresmall or whatever Y A. I really have to plan for Meli Cups and plan to fail atsome and Fan to learn from those failures so start mapping out of a headof time like okay. What's my game plan and remember that world is in Londonlike that's, going to be a money investment right to get to London sostart whatever savings that looks. If you need to, you know, cut back a little bit or not buy everysingle card and start putting aside a little bit for London like make surethat you can go because that's a big financialconsideration just to get over there- yeah, Oh, it sure, is it sure, is yeah,that's huge! So you talked a little bit about kind of mapping your route. Ithink that's a really big thing for players to do, walk us through how youdo that and what are your considerations like when you're saying,okay, I have to earn x number of points from Lea Cups. You know what is that xnumber of points and again, let's just hypothesize that it was. You know we'restarting from zero, as if it was the season that got canceled halfwaythrough yeah, but you're hypothesizing. Okay, I need this many league cups toreasonably achieve. You know this amount of points and then I need tospike a tournament, maybe a regionals or something like how do youconceptualize that so at the beginning of season, assuming assuming we'restarting from the beginning of the season? The first thing I did all thetime was: I looked at the regionals and say: Okay, how many of these regionals?Can I reasonably make it to lots of considerations for that for mepersonally, finance being one driving or flying distance being anotheraffordability, and also for me, I'm a married man and have three kids. So howmuch can I get away being away from my wife and kids and that changed once Ihad more kids? It was fewer of events, so I think for me I would go to my wifeand say: Hey here are the events for the year? How many regionals can I makeand based on that, I could usually get a pretty good idea. I think, having aself awareness like, I know that I'm not somebody who's going to go to aregionals. I'm not saying it'll never happen as a goal. Obviously, but when Iwas chasing worlds I was usually not going to go to regionals and top for it.You know, where top at it right, however, I'd say I don't know five outof eight of them. I would probably get datus and and probably two of those Iget top thirty two or something like that. So knowing that I could sort ofput a number on like okay. Well, that's x amount of points, so they what I needto hit every quarter and lead cups and Lee Challenges. I'll say this don't skip out of theleague challenges me an like. I have. I know people who just like there is aplayer and I'm not going to call this person out who went to a regionals andgot a really high finish, or it wasn't a regional. It was like an inner comin in Al and got areally high finish and then, but it was. It was like the last one before worldsand didn't make it because they just hadn't, played like a leak challengelike it was like that much of a difference and so make sure you hit inthose lege challenges make sure you...

...know when they are. You know, make sureyou know the stores in your area and like what your radius is right. So whenI was in Canton, I knew that, like Columbus was kind of the far edge ofColumbus and Pittsburgh were kind of the far edge, and if you drew a circlearound those two places, I could hit any of the cups and challengesreasonably in that distance, and I also think like look, I'm a bigproponent of gaming, the system and don't think of it is gaming. The systemand I'm not saying cheating by any ways. What I'm saying is, if you know,there's a League Cup out of you know podington wherever. Well, if you, ifit's going to take you an extra hour, but you don't have to go to threeleague cups next to home, first off you're supporting the store and thepeople there, and I always try to buy stuff from the store. When I go thereand second off like you might have a little bit of better of a chance to win,and I don't think there's anything wrong with that sure. Absolutelyabsolutely. I also find you're talking about radius yeah. I also find thatsome of these events aren't very well publicized and I don't know if you'vealso found that, but it's like there are some events where you really willonly know about them. If you're on the facebook page of the event, you knowstore or organizer or whatever it is, and so that would be another thing as you talkabout radius is like no you're radius, but then also be on all these facebookgroups, so that you get the notifications of you, know: Hey, theycancel the tournament or they added a tournament or you know, becausesometimes they just don't publicize those things and it's kind offrustrating but yeah. It is what it is now and I think a lot of stores aremigrating to discord, discord and facebook, but yeah ven your discord, be an active participant and, like Idon't think it hurts, you know, be an actor participant in the storemake sure they know who you are being comfortable in a store man. That makesa huge difference. I so wife's families from Philadelphia areaand occasionally when we were out there on vacation I'd, go try to hit up likea leak up there and it was so weird being like the the person nobody knewwho I was, and the outsider gets in the top eight andeverybody's kind of looking at funny, and just that, like little pressure,sometimes was like not as fun and made it harder to perform than it was atlike the local. So I do think it's good to know your store owners know thedetails of the store when they're open how many people usually show up, and ifyou can know the players who show up and what kind of decks they like toplay, all the better right sure sure comfortabilisme yeah. So what would yousay for maybe a newer, newer player that is like never gonebefore me? We're talking about routing but rating the worlds? Maybe that's noteven their goal. Maybe it's just to play in events. You know playing a fewevents like what some advice that you would have to to a newer player. That'slike I'm not you know. Maybe they're not even sure that they necessarilywant to go to in person or they're scared about that. You know, they're,not sure what to expect like what are what are some things you could say to aplayer: that's never played before in a competitive sphere. I do think thefirst thing you should do is start with your local store league challenge. Goto the League challenge, try to try to go with a friend or meetsomebody there ahead of time and make sure you have the rules down the time like play some time gamesahead of time, where you you know, if you're going too slowly. So Iappreciated this at the time. I appreciated this now, but I didn'tsuper at the time. My first league challenge I ever went to. I was playinga deck and I was playing against a deck that was like manipulating my hand, a lot and reallymessing with the flow of the way that my deck engined and it made the gamereally hard, and I was playing slowly and my opponent was like really naggingme to play faster, but I was playing incredibly slow, not on purpose justbecause I did know better so like learn. Those things learn howto shuffle properly learn as many of the rules of headache, time andpractice. Those things ahead of time go to your locals, take the time to meetthe people there and just get used to the pace of a tournament, because thatcan be a real like you know, senote you do the back of your seat. If you're notused to it right right and then the other thing is, if you're a new playerWHO's. Okay, I've got those things down, but I want to start seeing success. I'mgoing to quote Owen and a phrase that Owen said to me when so owen maybe wasa little well known at some point, and he would admit this that he loved to goto leak challenges and just like dominate all the new players for awhile and like a d and because he was a you know, somewhat accomplished playerat that time and know enough about the game to just go to locals and dominate,and he was doing this to me when I first started playing- and it was kindof frustrating me- and I said man like what are I going to do and he's likeblame win game was the thing he said to me and was like what do you arting onhe's like you're, trying to play all these DEXA you're? Making up just go, find the top net a deck. Youknow shell out the dollars for the one top Meta deck and play that in a coupleof tournaments and see how I be lame. Don't try to like reinvent the wheel.That's a good advice. I think for some season players who are looking for asuccess like yeah. There are times where you'll find that anti metae that works and is really good, but mostof us aren't going to I be like toward...

...relive and be able to like turn themetal on its head. When we go to every tournament, most of us are going tohave to pick up. You know the the top two or three decks and learn how toplay. Those really well learn how to play a top deck really well and starttaking those to challenges and cups and you'll find really quickly that- and Ihave trouble falling this because I'm like to be inventive and great dex asstuff, but that's going to be a huge Boon Boonfor you and Longman is just learning to play the good decks understanding thematter and then, if you want to go back and make those those debts that goagainst the metal, you understand the Meta better. You understand how togrant the deck that you're that you need to beat. I absolutely agree. Ithink some people get a little too lost in the sauce, where they're trying tocome up with a deck that counters everything that they could possibly seeand in reality, if you like, even when you go to regionals and stuff you couldyou could try to do that and the chances of you hitting into that matchup. You know that you're so worried about that you're over tacking for thatyou're building. You know the decorator like, sometimes very minimal. You knowit's pretty crazy. How much people can really you know, go against. Maybe thethe natural rules of deck building you know, keep it kind of straightforwardand simple and consistent to try to over tack or over manage for all theseother decks. So that's great! What you said is that the deck that the usuallythe deck that counters all the deck is the number one deck right like it,wouldn't be number one. If it wasn't, you know right and that's not to saythat people don't find decks and- and you know I've seen you do it- have someof your sal decks. I've seen lots of players. Do it that do count a lot ofthings and I'm not saying don't be an Venevande 't build those decks like I'm,actually, a fan of like build every deck that you have time for and trythem, but it is to say that the top DEX are top tic for reason right, likesingle strick, er Shife with embryon right now it counters most things andit counters it because of its power, and it is not like maybe the flashestack in the well, it's plashy, but it's maybe not the most like sauciest tackin the worn, but it works sure. Absolutely so. What would you say to aplayer with a kid or with multiple kids? That's trying to make their you know,presence felt on the competitive scene. What would you say to them that has tojuggle those finances like and has to juggle cards? You know they want toplay good decks and they also want their kids to play good decks likewhat's some advice, you'd have for them, so in terms of finances, the firstthing I would say is like bring your kid to stuff. If you have a junior player, bring yourkid to stuff and make your kid not get attached to the stuff that they win,I'm not saying don't let them keep any of their winnings, but explain to them.Hey, like you're, a junior player you're going to win a lot of prizingbecause often junior player events just aren't filled as much as masters orseniors, and so you're going to win stuff like play mats and like yeahwe're going to keep some of those, but sometimes we're going to have to putthose back into the game, and that means putting putting them up on Ebayand selling them. I'm a big proponent of like use the stuff you make like yes.Obviously, if you want a tournament, you could financial rewards, butsometimes your words are financial, their packs or their cards or theirmats, and you have to keep some of that stuff. Keep your trophies. But if youcan part with it, I think you have to resell stuff handing when you're tryingto play for not just one player but two players. If you need a finances to doit, I think you're going to have to be honest with your kid and say and gethim involved with the process like teach them some financialresponsibility in this way, as soon as my kids start to playing get involvedwith this stuff, I'm going to be doing this with them or I'm going to say, Hey,you won three mats and your you don't meet them all right. Let's, let's listone of those and let's teach you how to do it and, let's you know, make alittle bit more money so that we can then, inter you into another two orthree tournaments, sure sure- or you say hey this is you know you want tobox right for just showing up to an event. Sorry, there's a dad tax yeah,you know be play the government role, just I'm a big I'm, a big Fan of thedad text in all aspects. Well, Halloween's! COMING UP! I know that wasmy my dad's favorite dad tax. You know investment there, so cool well, verygood, so yeah any other, any other closingpieces of advice that that you would give to to any player rob as they'relooking to get back into competitive yeah hang in there, I'm a big proposerof getting the vaccine in order that you can play. I know you guys talkedabout that on your last pod. Get the vaccine hang in there and don't forgetto make it fun for yourself, whatever that looks whatever amount of playingor whatever level it is for you don't forget that. The reason why we all cometo this game is because we want to enjoy ourselves and so don't lose sightof that. Absolutely oh great! It was so nice to have you on Rob Super Nice tobe here. Thank you so much for having me any shout outs or any plugs that youwant to give. Of course, heat factory podcast. You guys start o go check thatout. If you haven't anything else, you want to gin a plug or say your solestwitter, we're at heat factory pod on twitter, and I think Owen does reallygood with the contact with the content there. You can follow me on at rob thePOETON twitter and I post about poetry,...

...pokmon whatever comes to mind there and yeah keep keep listening to tackteam weekly, because you guys do a really good job with your content, and we appreciateany listeners we get from this, and we appreciate the opportunity to be onhere so yeah, it's really great to have you rob and well hopefully you know talk to yousoon. I mean don't go, be a stranger. Of course. You know it's great to likeI said earlier would be great to grab a beer at our at our first regionals ofthe season you know and in four months or something so definitely lookingforward to it and definitely shut up to Riley, who I would have loved, to talkto you tonight and have talked to in the past. Obviously, but I hope he'sdoing well and hope. Everything's gone over the job tonight so great. Well,thank you guys, all so much for listening. It's been a pleasure rob. Wewill catch you next week same time same place. If you want to see us livetwitched on TV s, munner normally were on. You know my channel Flex statyrighteous right now, but you can also find our stuff over on our YoutubeChannel Tag: Team, Pokmon podcast. You can also find us on twitter. That's atsmiles with riles with for Riley Hulbert, that's at Real John Walter formyself and at tag team Pokmon for the cast. We look forward to providing youmore great content in weeks to come, and that's going to be all for us today.Thank you guys so much for listening I'll catch soon. I.

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