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Season 4, Episode 7 · 3 months ago

4-7. It's Getting Hot In Here

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Join Tag Teams JW as well as Rob Stephens from the Heat Factory Podcast as they discuss life, podcasting, and how to prepare for the upcoming *potential* season.Use code TAGTEAM at manscaped.com for 20%off + free shipping on any manscaped male grooming product!

Welcome back to tag team everyone,the POKEMON TCG's Premiere podcasting duo. My name is JW Creewall and today I'mjoined by Rob Stevens. Oh, it's guys, the heat factory podcast.Rob. How's it going? Oh Man, I couldn't be feeling better. I'mexcited here to talk a Pokemon with you guys. How are you doingto night? I am doing quite well. Yes, I let's see, Iwent over to our community garden and they were having a kind of festivalthing. I don't really know, like they do these kind of events everytwo or three months, and so this was a big event. So Iwent out and I got some some flatbread that they had at a food truckand then I walked around the garden and saw the little kids are painting somePumpkins. I was real nice. And then, let's see, they hada apple CIDER press. That was, I think, the hot ticket.That's USB me. That was pretty cools. They're they're pumping out, you know, putting the apples in and juicing them, squeezing them, getting theapple slider a plus fall right there. Yeah, it's really good. Autumnaldream. Absolutely, absolutely. Do you have like a favorite autumn activity thatyou just love to do? You know, my kids love the Pumpkins, likeall things Pumpkins, but not in the way that like the instagram peopledo, but like the actual genuine like going and getting the Pumpkins and painting, lots of painting of the Pumpkins. I have three kids, so we'realways looking for like little activities to do. It feels very crafty. Although I'mliving down in Louisiana and it is doesn't feel like fall. It's almostgetting to where it just barely feels like fall here. It's incredibly hot,says. So my favorite fall activity will be not mowing the lawn, Ithink, because it's so hot outside. Yes, yes, for sure.When does it get cold in Louisiana, or does it like, do youhave a cold season? I don't think nothing here compares to I lived inOhio for four years frame and nothing here compares to the winters there, evenclose. I mean the lowest it gets here is, you know, inthe S. sometimes it's snowed twice, three times in my memory, andand this note when I say it's snowed, like a joke of snow compared towhat you guys get up there so well, I even think like Columbuswas pretty chill. You know, compare it, because I lived in Michiganand then I love, yeah, Eveland. Yeah, those are both on thewater and you just get pummeled with like the like effect snow, andthen Columbus feels like you only get snow, you know, maybe a week outof the out of the year, like, you know, interspersed right, you'll get a day at a time, maybe like seven or eight days ofactual snowfall. I don't know. My Mom and dad visited me onetime in Ohio when I was living and I was living in Canton and itwas snow and about as bad as it ever snows there and we were tryingto drive up a hill and the car stalled on the hill. I swearGod they almost just murdered me in that moment because they were just so afraidand had never driven in that and just you know, but they were troopers. We turned around and we made it. We made it to church on times. It was all good. That's so epic. Yeah, yeah,there's amazing. That rocks. So we are so happy to have you here. I posted actually on twitter a couple of weeks ago now, I waslike hey, if we were to do a Collab, who you know,what would we do? And I think it was Owen, through the twitterof the heat factory podcast. He's like hey, we should, we shouldjoin up sometime, and I see was very proud of that moment. Hesaid, Hey, man, I got us on. I got up.Yeah, it's great, it's great. So tell us a little bit aboutyourself, rob and then also tell us about the heat factory podcast, whichI find to be a nice you know, part of the Pokemon community and ifyou know, if our listeners haven't checked out the heat factory podcast,kind of tell them what they would be in for were they to listen tosome episodes. Yeah, thanks so much for the plug. We basically conceivedthe the heat factory podcast on the way to a regionals. I think itwas a West Virginia regionals. Well, maybe it was the Jersey regionals,and we were on the way to Atlantic City and were Owen and I wererun in the car and I said, and this is I think you guysstarted, maybe just right before this, because I wasn't aware of tag team. I'm not sure if you'll had started at this point. But I said, Oh, and you know it, the Pokemon community really needs like aconsistent podcast. And and both both tag team and he factory started write aboutsimilar time, think. So, oh, yeah, yeah, and and sincethen we've just been having a lot of fun. I think our podcastwould like compliment tag team in a way. You guys talk about a lot aboutthe met and stuff we do. We do a little more like interviews, some behind the scenes of the game. So we've done things like interview ajudge who, like Aj Schumacher's, come on and talked about putting togethera leak up and we've interviewed and occasionally we talked about the met and thingslike that. I particularly pride myself and enjoy doing interview so that's a bigpart of the podcast. And and, you know, try to do somekind of different things behind the scenes,...

...how to create content, how tobuy and sell cards, that kind of thing, but also about the competitivescene. Yeah, it's I would say it's a little more, you know, scripted. Right. There have been some kind of like history episodes thatare that are really interesting and yeah, I mean definitely something that you shouldcheck out. Now Talk to us a little bit about that, like consistency. I would love to know kind of what what kind of struggles that youguys have, because I know Riley and I have, you know, somestruggles, like you know right now your Riley's not here because he's working rightyou know. So talk to us a little bit about the struggle behind creatinga podcast. So when I first started, we both I live in canton,and own lives about, I don't know, like forty five minutes awayfrom where I lived. So we were doing it live in person, liketogether in the same room. And within I think six months of US startingthe podcast, I realize that me and my family were going to move toLouisiana for a number of reasons. So that made it incredibly hard. Oneof the big struggles for us in something that makes it hard to do itregularly that we are just starting to really solve, is that Owen works reallyearly in the morning and I'm a night owl and and just that difference ishuge. And I'm also an hour ahead of you guys right, so you'reright eastern time, I'm central time, and so I get home at aboutsix o'clock your time, sometimes later than that, sometimes more like seven andOwen goes to bed at like eight or nine, which doesn't leave a wholelot of time, which is why I'm going to call Owen out right now. Love Owen. Wish he was here, but he's probably sleeping. Probably hasthis on hit on on his pillow next, and that's what I liketo imagine right now. Yeah, remind me, remind me what Owen does, because you you were in the library system. Yeah, I'm a library. I am a library and I do like outreach, social media, allthat kind of stuff for a library. Owen does work in like surveying.So, Oh and actually, if you give him a map of your house, like on Google maps, you can go on Google Earth and like tellyou which way all your wires run and like your telephone polls work and allthat kind of stuff. He doesn't get that kind of work. It's reallyinteresting stuff and he's been doing that for a long time now. Yeah,does a really good job, but because of that, I think it's thewake up early. Sometimes he has to travel around to like sit since thatsort of thing. Oh and, Oh, and don't kill me if I'm describingyour job not right, but I think that's what one does yeah,that's great. That's great. Well, yeah, so the he factory podcastgoing well. You know, you've been running for about three years now.I think right that if we started about the same time and that maybe it'smaybe a little less than that the like. Yeah, and it's been a littleon and off. We're getting back into it. We released it upto the last week and we got an episode coming up on how to prepyour your TCG account for the transition over to tcg live. So that's extremelyimportant. Yeah, that's going to be definitely must must listen material for alot of players. Talk to me a little bit about yourself now in thesphere of the POKEMON trading card game. You Know How long you've been playing. What maybe have been some successes or, you know, challenges or whatever itis that you want to share about yourself within POKEMON TCG background. SoI am like, in some ways an og pokemon or TCG player. Insome ways I'm not in that I play when I was a kid, rightwhen the game come out, I had base set stuff, you know,I was looking for like blast toys and chars are back when they're coming out. When I was you know, I don't know ten eleven years old.Played One tournament when I was a kid and did really well and it wasn'ta sanction terms, just like at a local store, and then got madefun of it for in high school and stopped playing, which is kind ofa sad story, except for that. Then when I moved to Ohio asa moving a friend of mine was like, yeah, he still of your ownpokemon cards and pull it out and start playing and I was like,I wonder what the scenes like now? YEA, and Ohio, as youknow, is like one of the best places to live in the world forPokemon. It might be, yeah, but I like, I would ventureto say it's one of yeah, like, if not the best place for yeah, I agree a hundred percent. And so kind of just walked intothe episode of Pokemon fell in love with it. It became my community inOhio and my highlight was not my first year but my second year playing.I made it two worlds and that was the year that I played in atournament that was pre worlds and I played Buzzwal garbador, like baby buzz guard, before kind of anybody was playing it, and that deck kind of took offand that was that was like my biggest accomplishment was that you're making itsworlds. Having a deck that I made like kind of enter the Meta,and lots of people made lots of better changes to the deck that I did, but if nothing else, I was like one of the first people topilot it at a tournament and do well. Sure, sure, and then I'vehad lots of sort of like top like day two finishes and stuff,but that was my biggest accomplishment. And world's. Look, if you makeit two world's, anybody he does. When I made it, two worldsare our common friend Otto walked up to his it was like I was beingnighted bazing, you know, like you did, and it's definitely good.It's definitely a big, you know, accomplishment, especially like your first time. Yes, that's always it's kind of relieving in a way, right,because you you have to do a lot...

...of planning ahead. Yeah, forthat invitation. We'll talk about this later. Actually, this is going to bea sure second half of the PODCAST. But yeah, there's a lot thatgoes into it, so it's really a special moment, especially at firsttime. Yeah, so yeah, so you have a family, beautiful family. So my kids, I have three children. So Lula is seven.So, you know, tool is very right now into like the the genderstereotypes, like, like she doesn't wander where a Batman mask because she saysit's a boy mask. So might have a little trouble getting her into thegame. But I have a lot of hope for my other two kids,loyal and Rook, who are five and two, and Brooks, my youngest, and he's definitely going to play. He's Hunter Cresson going to play.He does actually doesn't have an option. It's like your mom sending you pianolessons were that's going to be. Yeah, what's going on in my house.So that's right, that's awesome. Yeah, that's how as you're sayingyour children's names, how did you come up with your children's names as aside? So, no, no, they're they're unusual names. My nameis Rob Stevens, which so I didn't want any kid to have a namewhere you go and look at yourself on facebook and there's like eight hundred otheroffense. My parents, my term named after my dad, but so ummy my kind of me and Jackie took turns. Jack and my wife tookturns picking the name, sort of in and making sure the other one agreedto. Tolula is just an in that we like. There's not any sortof significance other than we love list or of musicality of it and it justwas the one of the first names we agreed upon, so we want withit. Jackie came up with it. Loyola. I was raised Catholic andCatholic, being Catholics a big part of my history and so there's a saintignatious of loyal. I just like the word. I like the sound inhistory and Rook, my brother's twitched egg is and like gaming tag, isrighteous rook and we were gonna name him after my brother. I wanted toname him Shan, but my wife was like, I don't super love thatname and she jokingly said, why don't we name him rook, after yourbrother's gaming tag, not thinking it would become a thing. And then itwas a thing. I was like yes, that's exactly what we're going to do. That's so epic. Yeah, so we've taken lots of pictures ofhim with chess pieces and I'm I'm a chess enthusiast. I didn't know that. Okay, yeah, all right, I can see. I got intochess a little bit. Like I had a roommate over pandemic that was reallyinto chess. So I got into like what you know. So I know, like you know, the Botz sisters and like sure, Anna cramling andyet off them chess and like when all that stuff really blew up over thepandemic. I know. Yeah, lots of those hobbies that you know.I think, JW YOU and I have a lot of Commonis just poke themon board gaming chess. I'm also a musician. I'm not as accomplished asyou are on the bassoon, but but, but a musician my last and youknow you like books. I have also read books before and so andthe past. I think, I think you know, there could be moreopportunities for us to, you know, at least hang out and like graba beer something yod. Definitely, man, definitely love that. That's awesome.So good. All right. So let's talk now about a little bitmore about the heat factory podcast. So you're a fellow, you know,of course, content creator within the poem on sphere and you walked us throughhow it how it all kind of started on that road trip. But whatare some maybe favorite episodes that you've done from your past that really stick outto you as being you mentioned a few Aj's interview as a judge and youhave maybe a few future projects coming up, but like, what's your favorite episode? You look back and you say this is why I wanted to makethis content. Yeah, so to kind of come to mind, one iswe did a podcast that was really kind of my idea, and remember,I think I mentioned to you that I'm the one who typically edits the podcast. Ours is not alive podcast. So from an editing standpoint, we dida one where I called top ten players, five top ten players, and Idid ten minute interviews with each one of them. So I called,I got in touch with Zach lossage, Daniel to via, Isaiah Bradner,grant manly and Azul and I talked to each of them one at a timefor ten minutes and ask them questions on how to get better at Pokemon andI stitched it together and kind of from an editing and just from a likethat was an accomplishment, you know, to get down all those guys tomake it seem like it was a holistic thing and just the advice that thoseplayers gave all in one spot was really it was really amazing. I wouldI actually was looking through as you kind of brought this up like before thepod, like hey, we're going to talk about some favorite episodes, andI was like man, I need to go listen that episode again because itwas a super fun process. And then the and then the other thing Imentioned I love doing is interviews and we've done some great interviews. I thinkinterviewing Andrew Mahone, who, for me, has been someone I've kind of lookedup to in the community as a role model in terms of, youknow, its content creation and his devotion to the game. And so wedid a two part interview with Andrew and...

...that was just kind of a dreamcomes true. He was so gracious in it and he was really enlightening andit was just fun, like it was just fun. We got to sitdown in a room with him, me Owen and Andrew sitting in the trickygem live basically, yeah, and Nice talking to him and it was amazing. So those two episodes, I think we're Super Fun. We and we'vedone lots of lots of different things, like, you know, stuff likewhat belongs behind put pay walls and we did an episode the New World OrderStory that was like an old pokemon story. Yes, Super Fun. So justa lot of really fun and interesting stuff, like yeah, yeah,and I think I really value that kind of perspective, like the long formcontent that's edited and and that you script and that's like very much a researchbased in a lot of cases, and that's that's really really valuable, youknow, telling these stories in that way. So looking forward, you already mentioned, you know, your next episode, but yes, there anything that yousee as kind of the future of the podcast, like where you wantto go, a type of content you want to make? Any other episodesthat you want to make beyond, you know, kind of your next onethat you're planning? Yeah, so this is kind of funny because I've Igot a message from Owen on like Messenger the other day and it was likewell, there goes our episode idea, and it was a picture of yourtweet saying Great Idea for content coaching, like evaluate coaches. One of thevery first ideas that Owen had was to like anonymously get coaching and tell liketen people. We would do coaching with them and then get the coaching andthen like do a review of the coaching, but only really a review, likethe best ones, not really talk about we do want to talk badlyabout anybody, sure, and it would be an opportunity for those coaches toplug their coaching. That's a that's like a dream episode. The amount ofwork to go into that is a lot. That's really long form. Yeah,but that's a dream for me. I want to do that episode.That's something I want to live up to. I've got another episode idea I wantto do. I have an episode idea for I have taken and madea spreadsheet of all of the the pokemon cards that have won world championships.The slogan of Pokemon is to be the very best, like no one everwas, or one of the slogans, and I wanted to do episode onlike what, what Pokemon has won the most world championships and like who's beenleft off that list and and why? And so I thought that, youknow, that's a really fun just sort of take on the card game,historical take. Yeah, and an oppertutunity to kind for me to dive intothose world championship decks and think about like, man, why was that car goodthen? And and what does this say about the game now? Andit's about backward and forward looking in a really fun way. Yeah, Ithink so. And you look at kind of the history of Pokemon in termsof they definitely make certain cards way better than others, you know, forthe most part, like mew mew too, like they're kind of like elevated,right the power level, pedestal as opposed to your pincers or grimers orwhatever, right, like there's just the difference there. So that would bethat would be really interesting. Yeah, you'LD be fun. It's also interesting. Definitely. Your big names are like the expected ones that they are,you know, guardavore, those kind of things, are winning, but thereare some like weird ones in there, like ball toys. Weirdly, likeone world championships, because there was like one card of the print that's fannedlike three metaws and that just was in every deck or every winning deck,you know, and that time. Yeah, and then there was, yeah,and I think it was played in like a there was like a teammagma. Did that also have? I think so. Yeah, so,and that's the type of card that now will come out and we'll hit forthree energy for ten damage, you know, but it was like, you know, it's really amazing cards. Yeah, for sure, for sure cool.What motivates you? You know, I am really motivated by the productitself, by producing something like obviously the interactions we get with our fans motivatesme, and I think that motivates own a lot, like I don't wantto speak too much on his behalf, but I think that's a big thing. He likes the like. You know, he's mostly who runs our he factorytwitter. For me, though, it's like, look at this littlething that I made right, like look. So I'm a poet. That's Ihave like a PhD in poetry and I really love to craft poems.I like to make things and for me there's just beauty and like Manna.I edited this episode. I went through and took out all of me andOwens ums and us and I stitched these things together and I made this intocoherent products, and it's something that Owen and I have both taken pride in. Is that like look, like sometimes I just go through anchor and likelook at our episodes. I'm like that's you know. So it's driving thecontent ahead in terms of like doing new stuff with content that maybe other creatorsaren't doing. It's certainly making stuff for an audience and having people listen toour podcast and consider us and being known as fun to when people have said, like how, and I'm sure you've had this experience, like you playingagainst somebody in like Oh, you do the heat factory, like are youknow all you do tag team, and...

...that's how they kind of know whoyou are. But just making stuff for me as a huge motivator. I'mand getting better at the game. It makes me think about the game andways I had in before. It makes me and I am super competitive atthe game, like in terms of my attitude. You know, I don'talways play super competitively, but I always feel super competitive. I am thesame way. I'm just like when I am playing, you know, whenI kind of have like a like a silly mode and like a serious mode, but when I'm in serious mode, you know, that is life ordeath. Like everything, Oh yeah, is about the game. Everything elseshuts off and I'm just right there. Yeah, I've definitely seen that inmyself and in you and lots of players and I think you have to havethat switch, because I've had, you've, I'm sure you've had this experience inGames where you let your foot off the gas a little bit, thinkingI got this under control, and then it just comes back to bite you. You know, you have to keep it that competitive edge. So solearning about the game definitely a big part of the podcast and getting to talkwith people who are big players in the game and getting to share them intheir platforms. If you're listening to this and you think that you're you know, someone in the community want to have an interview, that's the sort ofthing we're super interested in. HMM, do you remember one like salient detailfrom maybe particularly that episode that you recorded with the five different players? Likedo you remember one particular detail that really stood out to you from them,or maybe they had something that they all kind of Said? You know,something that stood out to me was one of the things that said out oddlywas I expected to go and ask so one of the question to ask themis like, okay, it's the pint. It was. This was in notlike the height of the pandem, because this is when we were allin lockdown together, and I said what should we all be doing right nowto be better pokemon players? And I expected them to all say the samething and something that really stuck out to me was that they all said differentthings. Or one of my favorite things that Isaiah Bradner said was that hegoes back and watches like old like old content, like old tournaments, tojust learn about the pace of the game and learn about he is one ofthe best like sequencers, I think, that I've spoken to and interacted with, and that was another thing that people had lots of different strengths. Likesomeone, one player said, I'm really a deck builder, and another andI've forgive me, I don't remember who were saying these things, and anotherplayer was like deck buildings not actually my like strong suit, but I cantake a good deck and then like win a tournament with it. Right.So the different the different things they said. But the one piece of advice thatand that I haven't listened to all that much, although I've watched more, is going back and watching content and just really watching games and dissecting what'sgoing on. And then I just think not a lot of us have theattention span to sit and do that and it's a really valuable skilled to learnour way to sharpen your skill set. Oh, for sure, completely agree. They're awesome, awesome. So with last question about the heat factory podcast. Sure, yeah, what's your ultimate goal? What are you looking togain? What will you accomplish that will make you you know, like ifthere is ultimate satisfaction, I mean I know you say that you know,enjoy kind of the creative process, right, right, what will you feel goodabout, like if you ever have to leave the heat factory podcast?Well, you will you feel good about accomplishing, like what would you liketo accomplish before that journey is over? That's that's honestly, kind of ahard question for me to answer because I'm process based. But I think thatso, this is going to sound silly, we have talked for a long timeof making like a really cool sweatshirt or like t shirt for the heatfactory. Yeah, and so the goal is not to we can do that, but the goal is to I think if we made sweatshirts or tshirts andgot and they it and had enough of an audience and enough of the fallowingthat people are like really excited to have and wear those, that's not likea huge amount of fame. It's like a little bit of fame, wherelike we have people who are like excited to have that logo on them.I think that would be the kind of marker that I would leave and belike, man, that was a really cool thing I did in my life. Like I ran this podcast and we got people excited about us as abrand and as like an entity. I don't need, you know, amillion listeners or anything like that. I would love that, obviously we allwould. What about you guys? What? What's the TAG team like? Whatwould you walk away with the tag team feeling good about? Is that? I'm flipping interview here, but yeah, now that's great. I feel likewe've from my perspective, we've achieved it. You know, the pointof the podcast from my perspective has been to you know, because I have, you know, shifted content on Youtube to be a little more casual,not completely completely casual, but you know, a little more casual, because Ithink that's how the Game Bros is like. You had to have anentry point. That's definitely and then you get that entry point and you getdown into the dark stuff, you know, and I kind of think of tagteam is like the dark stuff where it's like the Meta analysis and theparticular card text and, you know, all the things that relate to,you know, the game on a week by week basis, and so,you know, in terms of ultimate goals, I think, like in terms ofthe content, what it is? I think it's it's there. Ithink we've achieved what we've wanted to achieve in terms of like the evolution ofthe content. That's not to say that we won't continue to grow and addor subtract to make it better, but for you know, where we haveit, we feel good about it.

And then also, I think Ihave achieved what I wanted to from from tag team in the sense that,you know, like you're saying, you know, that kind of fame aspectof not that we're famous, but like there are people that reliably listen tothe podcast, so much so that if we don't upload the episode on Wednesdaynight, people are I get, you know, five, six, seven, half a dozen messages that are like hey, where's the cast? Yeah, it's like yeah, you know, Oh, there was some processing error, and it's like you feel bad about it, but then it's like,oh my gosh, they're all these people that are messaging me because relying onyou right, exactly, exactly, and that's it is like, you know, they're like hey, you got me through this day or you got methrough an hour of this day and you know, thank you for it.And it's like wow, to take that you're a regular part of someone's weekbecause like a really cool thing. Like I have my podcasts that I listenedto every week, you know, I listened to like whatever, sports podcastetc. And that's a part of my week. Like on Mondays I listenedto sport podcast, and so to think that you're they tag team is apart and you know, I think he factory. We need to be alittle more regular and getting back in the flow of it, but that wecould be a part, a regular part, of people's lives. That's that's asuper cool thing achieve, for sure. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely awesome. So props on that to you guys. Yeah, well, futureprops to you. I mean I'm sure that. I'm sure it's already happened, but like right right as you as you get, you know, moreregular and things that that's a huge that's a huge blessing to to be apart of Somebodyho's life like that. So right, let's go now to toour car, to the day. Rob, you're going to take it away forus and we're going to hear from you know about a card that we'venever featured on this show before. So why does you go for it,rob? Tell us your card of the day and, you know, maybeyou give a story leading up to the big reveal about kind of what itmeans to you, either in a competitive or personal sense, and why youchose this card. So when I was, when I was a kid and playing, we were I was in my my friend invited me over his house, Bobby, and Bobby said I have a new deck and I want youto bring your best deck and bring it. So I brought my little like Ididn't know that it was called this at the time. I had justsort of made a version of haymaker over to his his house and he stalledme out through the whole game and I saw, as I was choosing thiscard, I saw that you had just tweeted recently about how you like,you love playing, like stall and like little decks. Right. So Ichose from the jungle set, Mr Mine, and this Mr Mime. It's MrMime number, I think so. I've got a blurry picture here,but it's either eight or six out of sixty four. And this is theone with a pokemon power invisible wall. Whenever an attack, including your own, does thirty or more damage to Mr Mime, after a flying weeks,resistance prevent that damage. That's this thing had forty hp and you could onlyhit it for ten or twenty. If you hit it anything more than that, the damage was prevented. This makes a lot of sense in a stalldeck because it's actually really hard sometimes. If you get all your pokemon poweredup, they all hit for more than that, right, even at thattime when there was lower HP and on all that kind of stuff. That'sright, and I don't know that in correct me if I'm wrong, becauseI have kind of a gap in mystery. I don't know that there's been apokey power exactly like this since or an ability like this since. Yeah, I mean I guess you could look at like the odds or evens,Mr Ma yes, but those are you know, obviously it's not a oneto one right right. There's Bro there's a tradition of Mr Mine blocking damagein a weird way right, and I have frequently wish that there was acard like this in the standard format, although I would obviously be overpowered.Now you would hardly find pokemon that attack for ten or twenty. But,aside from just the cool a built, the cool poke pokemon power, thecard artist super cool. You've got Mr Mom kind of holding his hands upand there's a golden rings circling behind him. He's doing like, I guess,like a barrier type move. Sure, and Mr Min, one of myfavorite pokemon I've dressed is Mr Mim for Halloween, which was a notmy best costume, but it was certainly creepy, if nothing him. Well, I honestly like, I gotta say, the character of Mr Mime, likeyou said, is creepy. It freaks me out. I think it'san abomination of a pokemon and all you're doing is just feeling my love forit. There you go, yeah, you go. Yeah, I justlike I feel like pokemon on might be a better franchise if Mr Mime didn'texist. But like that's I guess. Also, the beauty of pokemon isthat they cater to everyone. Yeah, you know, you have your bigstrong dragons, you got your you know, you got your little bugs and yougot your weird human form pokemon that, again, I shouldn't exist. It'sit's that only has four fingers nonetheless. Yeah, and that look like suctioncops. Like yeah, I don't really know what's up with that.Why he's got suction cups and he's got his little curly shoes, his reddots and his weird shoulder pads. So, yeah, just a lot to hateabout it, for sure. Well, yeah, I think I'm not kidding, though. I like, I...

...don't look at Mr Mond and think, Oh wow, that's amazing and blows me away, like their pokemon likethat. That I really enjoy. You know. It's more of like whatis this weird thing, this like this weird outcast of the game, doingin the game? You know, right. So that's that's my history of MrMime and that's my card and you know, it's move, it's suckat his attack meditate did ten damage, but ten more for each damage counteron the defending pokemon. So some relevance there, but really really fun forlike a stall deck where you just trying to get your opponents run out ofcards. That's right. That's absolutely correct, and one thing about Mr Mind thatI can appreciate is that he's very smooth, as will your pokemon pokeballs be after you get manscape products. So do you know what spookier theseeing a Gangguar on Halloween? It is not shaving your master balls with anythingother than manscape products. 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Having a sponsor super cool and reallycool sponsor. So, yes, yes, thank you so much.Guys. Do well with the redoubts. Thank you so much to manscaped forsponsoring tag team and they have, yeah, been been a great sponsor here overthe next, you know, the last month and hopefully many more monthsto come. So, Rob, I want to ask you now about sometips and tricks for the kind of variety of players that might be listening tothis cast right now. You know, we get a lot of competitive players, but we also get a lot of players, you know, that arethat are just beginning their journey into competitive play. I've talked to so manypeople that listen to the cast or I've met them in person, and theyare just getting into the game and they've just gotten into the game over thepandemic and so they're really excited for what it would mean for them to goto an in person tournament and you know, see what that's all about. Right. They've never been to a League Cup, they've never been to aregional or world's or anything like that. So I want to ask you somesome questions, just I know you've been playing a long time, I knowyou've been playing competitively long time and it's just always good to get these newperspectives on what you know you might be able to offer to a new player, season player, person trying to get the world's invite. So what wouldyou say rob to a season player that is you know they're hearing a wegot competitive events possibly coming back as soon as January in the United States.What would you say to them right now in terms of getting prepared for thatseason? Could be monetary considerations, could be you know from a playing perspective, what some advice they have? Yeah, this season is going to be strangeto you because of the way that some people are going to start withpoints in some art so maybe a little different. But I think the firstthing I would do is I would go back. A lot of us playingonline, as you wellknow, and all of us who have who've gone throughit well now, is an incredibly different experience from playing in person. Pullyour cards back out, make sure that you're shuffling well, make sure thatyou and play some IRL Games, if that means you have to get onwith your homie and do it over the you know, over skype or zoomor whatever program you use, play those IRL games. Make sure that you'rechecking your prizes, make sure that you know every card in your deck,make sure that you're calculating the, you know, sort of simple odds thatyou need to calculate in your head and get used to those skills. Oneof the hardest things for me about playing online, and I think I've heardyou talk about this before, JW, is that when I am playing onlineit is so easy to go on autopilot and let the game like run itselfand let the game just like draw your seven cards and to forget the likelittle text that might make might make you lose the game right, to likeinvolved, to drizzle and not remember that you can't then retreat because you havelike the stadium that allows rapid strikes, to retreat the tower. Sure.Yeah, those kind of mistakes are so easy to make when you're on autopilot, and playing online really lends itself to...

...autopilot. So get off the boutopilot, get back, you know, into the physicality of the game and practice, you know, shuffling, drawing and playing real games. I think thatwould be the very first thing I would do and I would start doing thatas soon as you can. I think that will make a huge difference andI think you're going to see, and like the first tournaments, be atregionals or whatever, you're going to see those players who kind of rest inthe other laurels and I've been playing online come to those tournaments and feel like, oh my gosh, this is weird. It doesn't feel you know, Ihaven't done this in a while. Before the most recent set, beforetag team had that tag team, excuse me, tricky Jim, had thetournament at full grip for this rotation. I was playing some camera games with, like with a couple friends who went to that tournament and it was likeWhoa playing playing first off, it's so fun in a different way. Yeah, also, you get rusty, man, it happens. It absolutely does.Yeah, I find myself during that whole event just kind of playing cardsand it just felt a little just I don't know how to describe it really, other than awkward, like it was like, yeah, I was playingthings down and and retreating and it like didn't quite feel right and I couldn'tquite put my finger on it, but it was like, yeah, Ihadn't actually played with physical cards for you know, this is the longest periodof time since I've been playing competitively that I hadn't actually played with physical cards. Well, and if you pop your fifty dollars or sixty or seventy,whatever it's going to be for a regional, and you show up to a regionaland that's how you feel, you don't want that to be your firstexperience, you know, you want it to be smooth, to feel likea routine. So that would that would be my first first tip for thesort of seasoned player. The other thing is I would go back log again. Make sure your account looks good, make sure you know how many pointsyou have and and as soon as we sort of figure out the points structure, that was one thing I was always super on top of when I waschasing world's was like how many points do I need? How many events doI need to get there? How many events do I know that? I'mjust going to like look, I I don't think any of us go toevery League Cup, the even the best of us, and just get topeight every time, unless you live in sort of an isolated area where there'syou know, your league cups are small or whatever. Yeah, I reallyhave to plan for my League Cups and plan to fail at some and Fanto learn from this failures. So start mapping out ahead of time, likeokay, what's my game plan? And remember that world is in London,like that's going to be a money investment right to get to London. Sostart whatever savings that looks if you need to, you know, cut backa little bit or not buy every single card and start putting aside a littlebit for London, like make sure that you can go, because that's abig financial consideration just to get over there. Yeah, Oh, it sure is, it sure is. It's huge. So you talk a little bit aboutkind of mapping your route. I think that's a really big thing forplayers to do. Walk us through how you do that and what are yourconsiderations like when you're saying, okay, I have to earn x number ofpoints from League cups. You know what is that x number of points?And again, let's just hypothesize that it was. You know, we're startingfrom zero, as if it was the season that got canceled halfway through.Yeah, but you're hypothesizing. Okay, I need this many league cups toreasonably achieve, you know, this amount of points, and then I needto spike a tournament, maybe a regionals or something like. How do youconceptualize that? So at the beginning of season, assuming, assuming we're startingfrom the beginning of a season, the first thing I did all the timewas I looked at the regionals and say, okay, how many of these regionalscan I reasonably make? It too lots of considerations for that. Forme personally, finance being one, driving or flying distance being another, affordability, and also for me I'm a married man and have three kids. Sohow much can I get away being away from my wife and kids? Andthat changed once I had more kids. It was fewer of events. SoI think for me I would go to my wife and say, Hey,here are the events for the year. How many regionals can I make?And based on that I could usually get a pretty good idea. I thinkhaving a self awareness, like I know that I'm not somebody who's going togo to a regionals. I'm not saying it'll never happen. It's a goal, obviously, but when I was chasing world's, I was usually not goingto go to regionals and top for it. You know, a top eight itright. However, I'd say I don't know. Five out of eightof them I would probably get day two's and and probably two of those Iget top thirty two or something like that. So, knowing that, I couldsort of put a number on like okay, well, that's x amountof points. So then what I need to hit every quarter and lead cupsand leak challenges. I'll say this. Don't skip out on the leak challenges. Man Like I have. I I know people who just like there's aplayer, and I'm not going to call this person out, who went toregionals and got a really high Finich, or wasn't originals, it was alike an intercomminental and got a really high finish and then but it was itwas like the last one before worlds and didn't make it because they just hadn'tplayed like a leak challenge. Like it was like that much of a difference. And so make sure you hitting those...

...league challenges. Make sure you knowwhen they are. You know, make sure you know the stores in yourarea and like what your radius is. Right. So when I was inKenton, I knew that, like, Columbus was kind of the far edgeof Columbus and Pittsburgh were kind of the far edge and if you drew acircle around those two places, I could hit any of the cups and challengesreasonably in that distance. And and I also think, like, look,I'm a big proponent of gaming the system and don't think of it as gamingthe system and I'm not saying cheating by any ways. What I'm saying is, if you know there's a League Cup out of you know, Po dumptowns wherever, well, if you if it's going to take you an extrahour, but you don't have to go to three league cups next to home. On first off, you're supporting the store and the people there and Ialways try to buy stuff from the store when I go there. And secondoff, like you might have a little bit of better of a chance towin, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Sure, absolutely, absolutely. I also find you're talking about radius. Yeah, I alsofind that some of these events aren't very well publicized, and I don't knowif you've also found that, but it's like there are some events where youreally will only know about them if you're on the facebook page of the event, you know, store organizer or whatever it is, and so that wouldbe another thing. As you talked about radius, is like no, you'reradius, but then also beyond all these facebook groups, so that you getthe notifications of, you know, hey, they cancel the tournament or they addeda tournament or you know, because sometimes they just don't publicize those thingsand it's kind of frustrating. But yeah, it is what it is. SoNo, and I think a lot of stores are migrating to discord,discord and facebook. But yeah, and your discord. Be an active participantand and like, I don't think it hurts, you know, be anactive participant in the store. Make sure they know who you are. Beingcomfortable in a store. Man, that makes a huge difference. I sowife's families from Philadelphia area and occasionally when we were out there in vacation I'dgo try to hit up like a League Cup there and it was so weirdbeing like the the person nobody knew who I was and the outsider gets intotop eight. Everybody's kind of looking at funny and just that like little pressuresometimes was like not as fun and made it harder to perform than it wasat like the locals. Some I do think it's good to know your storeowners, know the details of the store, when they're open, how many peopleusually show up, and if you can know the players who show upand what kind of decks they like to play, all the better, right. Sure, sure, comfortability is huge. Yeah, so what would you sayfor maybe a newer a newer player that is like never gone before me? We're talking about routing, but routing the world's maybe that's not even theirgoal. Maybe it's just to play in events, you know, yea ina few events. Like what if some advice that you would have to toa newer player that's like, I'm not you know, maybe they're not evensure that they necessarily want to go to in person, whether they're scared aboutthat. You know they're no're not sure what to expect. Like what aresome things you would say to a player that's never played before in a competitivesphere? I do think that the first thing you should do is start withyour local store league challenge. Go to the League challenge, try to tryto go with a friend or meet somebody there ahead of time and make sureyou have the rules down the time. Like play some time games ahead oftime where you you know if you're going too slowly. So I appreciated thisat the time. I appreciated this now, but I didn't super at the time. My first league challenge I ever went to, I was playing adeck and I was playing against a deck that was like manipulating my hand alot and really messing with the flow of the way that my deck engined andit made the game really hard and I was playing slowly and my opponent waslike really nagging me to play faster, but I was playing incredibly slow,not on purpose, just because I didn't know better. Um. So,like learn those things, learn how to shuffle properly, learn as many ofthe rules aheadache time and practice those things ahead of time. Go to yourlocals, take the time to meet the people there and just get used tothe pace of a tournament, because that can be a real like, youknow, sending you to the back of your seat if you're not used toit right. Um. And then the other thing is if you're a newplayer WHO's okay, I've got those things down, but I want to startseeing success. I'm going to quote Owen and a phrase that owned said tome when so owen maybe was a little well known at some point, andhe would admit this, that he loved to go to leak challenges and justlike dominate all the new players for a while and like and and, becausehe was a, you know, somewhat accomplished player at that time and knowenough about the game to just go to locals and dominate. And he wasdoing this to me when I first started playing and it was kind of frustratingme and I said, man, like, what am I going to do?And he's like be lame when game was the thing he said to me. I was like what he's talking about? He's like, you're trying to playall these decks that you're making up. Just go find the top Meta deck, you know, Shell out the dollars for the one top Meta deckand play that in a couple of tournaments and see how it be lame.Don't try to like reinvent the wheel. That's a good advice, I think, for some season players who were looking for success, like yeah, thereare times where you'll find that anti metadeck that works and is really good.But most of us aren't goinging to be like tour breckleve and be able tolike turn the meadow on its head when...

...we go to every tournament. Mostof us are going to have to pick up, you know, the thetop two or three decks and learn how to play those really well, learnhow to play a top deck really well and start taking those two challenges andcups and you'll find really quickly that, and I have trouble falling this becauseI'm like to be inventive and create DEX and stuff, but that's going tobe a huge boon. But Boon for you, and you're on one,is just learning to play the good decks, understanding the matter and then if youwant to go back and make those those decks that go against the Meta, you understand them at a better you understand how to write the decks thatyou're that you need to beat. I absolutely agree. I think some peopleget a little too lost in the sauce or they're trying to come up witha deck that counters everything that they could possibly see when in reality, asyou like, even when you go to regionals and stuff. You could youcould try to do that and the chances of you hitting into that matchup.You know that you're so worried about that you're overteching for that you're building.You know, the deck around are like sometimes very minimal. You know.Yeah, it's pretty crazy how much people can really, you know, goagainst maybe the the natural rules of deck building, you know, keep itkind of straightforward and simple and consistent, to try to overtach or overmanage forall these other decks. So that's good ter see it. What you saidis that the deck that the usually the deck that counters all the decks,is the number one deck. Right, like it wouldn't be number one ifit wasn't, you know, right. And that's not to say that peopledon't find decks and and you know, I've seen you do it some ofyour Sol decks. I've seen lots of players do it that that do counta lot of things. And and I'm not saying don't be inventive and don'tbuild those decks, like I'm actually a fan of like build every deck thatyou have time for and try them. But it is to say that thetough decks are tough decks for a reason. Right, like single strike or shefu with umbre on right now. It counters most things and it countersit because if it's power and it's not like maybe the flashiest deck and thewell, it's flashy but it's maybe not the most, like sauciest deck inthe worm, but it works. Sure, absolutely. So what would you sayto a player with a kid or with multiple kids that's trying to maketheir, you know, presence felt on the competitive scene? What would yousay to them that has to juggle those finances like and has to juggle cards? You know, they want to play good decks and they also want theirkids to play good decks. Like. What some advice you would have forthem? So, in terms of finances, the first thing I would say is, like, bring your kid to stuff. If you have a juniorplayer, bring your kid to stuff and and make your kid not get attachedto the stuff that they win. I'm not saying don't let them keep anyof their winnings, but explain to them, Hey, like, you're a juniorplayer, you're going to win a lot of prizing because often junior playerevents just aren't filled as much as masters or seniors. And so you're goingto win stuff like play mats and like, yeah, we're going to keep someof those, but sometimes we're going to have to put those back intothe game, and that means putting putting them up on Ebay and selling them. I'm a big proponent of like use the stuff you make. Like,yes, obviously, if you want a tournament, you could financial rewards,but sometimes rewards aren't financial, their packs or their cards or their mats,and yet to keep some of that stuff, keep your trophies, but if youcan part with it, I think you have to resell stuff. Andthen when you're trying to play for not just one player but two players,if you need a finances to do it, I think you're going to have tobe honest with your kids and say and get them involved with the process, like teach them some financial responsibility in this way. As soon as mykids start to play and get involved with this stuff, I'm going to bedoing this with them. Or I'm going to say, Hey, you wonthree mats and your you don't need them right. Let's let's list one ofthose and let's teach you how to do it and let's, you know,make a little bit more money so that we can then enter you into anothertwo or three tournaments. Sure, sure. Or you say, Hey, thisis you know, you want a box, right, for just showingup to an event. Sorry, there's a dad tax. Yeah, youknow, beat play the government role. Just I'm a big I'm a bigFan of the dad tax in all aspects. Well, Halloween's coming up. Iknow that was my my dad's favorite dad tax. You know. YEAinvestment there. So cool. Well, very good. So, yeah,any other any other closing pieces of advice that you would give to any playerrob as they're looking to get back into competitive yeah, hang in there.I'm a big proponent of getting the vaccine in order that you can play.I know you guys talked about that in your last pod. Get the vaccinehanging there and and don't forget to make it fun for yourself, whatever thatlooks, whatever amount of playing or whatever level it is for you. Don'tforget that the reason why we all come to this game is because we wantto enjoy ourselves, and so don't lose sight of that. Absolutely well,great, it was so nice to have you on Rob Super Nice to behere. Thank you so much for having me. Any shoutouts or any plugsthat you want to give? Of course, heat factory podcast. You guys shouldgo check that out if you haven't anything else you want to go aplug or say yeah, or some of us on twitter. We're at heatfactory pod on twitter and I think Ohen does really good with the contact withthe content there. You can follow me. I'm at rob the PO IT ontwitter and I post about poetry,...

Pokemon, whatever comes to mind there. And Yeah, keep listening to tag team weekly, because you guys doa really good job with your content and we appreciate any listeners we get fromthis and we appreciate the opportunity to be on here. So that's really greatto have you, Rob and well, hopefully, you know, talk toyou soon. I mean don't be a stranger, of course. You know. That's great to like I said earlier'd be great to grab a beer atour at our first regionals of the season, you know. And Yeah, fourmonths or something. So definitely looking forward to it and definitely shout outto Riley, who I would have loved to talk to you tonight and havetalked to in the past. Obviously, but I hope he's doing well andhope everything's going over the job tonight. So Great. Well, thank you, guys all, so much for listening. It's been a pleasure. Rob Wewill catch you next week, same time, same place. If youwant to see us live, twitch DOTV munner. Normally we're on, youknow, my channel Flex Dady righteous right now, but you can also findour stuff over on our youtube channel, tag team Pokemon podcast. You canalso find us on twitter. That's at smiles with riles, with for RileyHulbert, that's at Real John Walter for myself, and at tag team Pokemonfor the cast. We look forward to providing you more great content in weeksto come, and that's going to be all for us today. Thank you, guys, so much for listening. We'll catch soon.

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