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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 7 · 1 year ago

3-7. Logan "Base Set" Paul

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are wrapping up their Player's Cup runs and giving out free tips on how to succeed. In the world of collectors, some new challengers lurk...

Wat's up everybody welcome back to tagteam, the POKMONTRADING Card Games for Mer, podcasting duo. My name is Rileihoverjoined, as always, but my good friend JW Creewall, JW how's a hangertoday. Where are you at right? Now? I am in port, hope, Michigan, wow, verynice ies, guys yeah itis, a small town in the thumb right in the Thu rightFoun. That's right! That's right! THAT'S UH!Where my grandparents lived and my parents got alittle like cottage type thing up here on the lake, so I look right out abovethe computer. That's like Huron, beautiful little spot nice. I saw ontwitter that year family has sold their farm Yeh. That was a big deal, so mygrandparents passed away. You know l over the last couple of years and theyhad this Y, the marm right, th, the Dav done and H and that they rented out thethe land to the acreage and Um. You know they're just they're notaround anymore. The family can't really Um, you know, keep it up, and so it wassold yesterday, and so there was a little bit of mychildhood gone. You know I mean it, it's fine,you know it's, it's all happy memories and things like that, but ask tha thatpiece. You know it's like when your parents sell your childhood house orsomething like that 'cause. I spent just a lot of years there. So you havethis kind of nostalgia for that. No, I totally understand yeah, so I cen seeyou being a farmer one day. You know what I've been getting moreand more into hard quartirculture. I could see you wearing overalls andnothing else. Just Afarwell I mean I do that. You know with my wife Anyway.Right I'm sure Anne is a big fan of theoverallof look yeah, I mean it's it's one of the secret uh, it's one of the seecer, but you knowrelationship ave out fits right, yeah, one of those secret things. They don'ttell you yeah scutty up. I H did you ever like wear overalls asa kid is like a ce outfit that your parents made for you a no. My brother,I think, had one pair of overalls. I feel, like I own tha pair of overawls,but I just like. Never really wore them and they never. You know when I wasreal little. I don't think I had any that my parents whad dressed me up inyeah. I I definitely was a overall kid. You know I definitely eerounto thossuckers tha Oshkash Bagosh, exactly exactly no, not really but YEA klitaw kid in California, so y,ah good, Memorie, good, memoresand overalls, anything else. Going on overthe course of your week, hosbeing in Michigan it's been pretty good. Ireally enjoy Michigan, I'm Kindo, sad 'cause, I'm all alone up here you knowI. I went to the wedding on Saturday for a friend from high schooland then after that, I've just been selfisolating. I just actually got a coved test today they did the nose swab yeahand it was. It was pretty horrible yeah they get up in there I mean. Luckilythe nurse was she had. Empathy like, I think she was younger, and so she likedidn't make it any harder than it needed to be, but I could really see itbeing kind of a traumatizing experience. If you got that old, jaded nurse thatjust like rammed the thing ot there kept it in there like a little bit toolong, Cias like okay, the first one 'cause they do one where it's aninstant result and then they do one where it's they send it out to a lab.So they're like okay, we're going to do one for five seconds and thet on forten seconds and then so the five second one, and then she like counted reallyfast on the ten second one I was like, thank goodness like you're such alegend like it was. It was as good as that could have gone, but basicallywhat it feels like is it's like they take a nail and theythey put it into your nose, and it goes into that cavity. Like kind of you know,I don't know backwere your nasal passage. I don't know too much aboutBeigoobe put it where your nose goes. Yeah, I no, but it like really goes bno like like touching rayhead yeah. Almost it does kindof feel like that.So it's just really an nuncomfortable thing and I can still kind of feel it.You know it's one of those kind of experiences where you have it and it'sit's hard to forget because it was so novel and so unique yeah m. So I stillI still kindo have that like like a little bit of just like. I know it's,my brain shoking me in that the nerves aren't actually like sensitive there,but I just like feel that energy right in my nose have some dark Oros aroundyou kn. Definitely some dark oars. Well, itrespects you for like taking the proper...

...precautions right and making sure thatthings are checking out m. So I'm assuming the innostant Tesk cameback negative. How long is the the laptask going to take? I don't know, but I don't really haveany symptoms aside from like, I just think some seasonal allergy things I'mgetting sesn allergies right now too, it sucks yeah yeah. So it's like. I I'mnot. You know kind of weighing that too hard. So we kind of said with myroommate and and my wife like okay, if you can take a test, you can get aresult and that's you know eighty five percent positive and you don't reallyshow any symptoms for a week. Then I'll go back home on Saturday, yeah Sucsense, you know yeah I mean it'slike you're Kinda. You know sure it could have been a false negative and-and you know my symptoms- one show up for another. You know week or something,but you know at this point you kindo have to just trust, trust it yeah yeah for sure. Well, I wish you all thebest. Then I'm sure Ann is eagerly 'rewaitingevertime for sure for sure what what about you ra? What? What have you beenup to H, not a whole lot? This is a pretty chill weekend for me: Ih'd, a e reallybusy week m. So I'm like managing a project and one of my team members was very sicklast week, not with coved, thankfully Yep and they're better now also,thankfully, but I had to cover them for quite a few things last week, and so itlast be very hectic for me, Um, so tn to recharge I'm taking a day off nextMonday, Um just give myself a opportunity to rest and relax ver along weekend. That's Great Yeah! I would have taken off this Friday, but Ihad some some things that you had to do on Friday. Specifically, so it is what it is. You did manage to finish your player'scup run. I did yeah, I real ad n't really rushed through last weekend. Idon't know I wasn't even really planning to get it all done. Lastweekend I was kind of inclided to do like half of it Um, but I just I just got really in thezone and I kept hitting the playbutton and and then all of a sudden before youknow it they're all gone yeah who knew fifty KS wit, so few yeahno Ya, reallyI brought it home. Last week I talked a how ID only played the cargo Mol Metalfor my eight keys and the rest of the forty two. I only played pigaram and noother dack thats howet didn't change it once Ichanged the list like twice. I think I didn't change the deck at all, which goes to show until what we saidover the last couple of weeks is like don't get discouraged by the by the middle failures right, like you,K, ow, a couple of bad terms: erosit mean that the deck is failing. You Um,'cause. I got to what I would consider to be a comfortable point, total Um. Igot to a hundred and thirty four rap, which almost assuredly I mean good God.If that's not locked W. I was like number three yer two in theworld at one point, which itwas kind o cool yeah we were. We were talkingabout you trying to get some number one yeah. I was just shy of number one 'cause,the other guy who was who was already had of me, got like another wind right when Ifinished my tournaments, so got m. So I got to number two and I was also like number three in theglobe with there was one play on Lain America t t as like a hundred and forty,which was pretty anhan Um. You know Jeshi a three points for Poqior ticket or whatever you erem Um. So that was pretty awesome for him, butoverall yeah it was. It was really successful and Pekaram really got methere. I think, especially on Saturday Peekar, almost still kind of on the lowUm. So I had a much smoother time, Sundayand Monday. When I finished up my keys there was, it did feel as smooth of asailing but Um, I still just stuck it out 'cause. I I really like the deck Iwas Kinda. I was Kindo like determined for myself to never play ADB throughoutthat, and I didn't want to switch back toThecaron tme metal because Um I just I saw a fire like every journament. Soyes wasn't like a realistic choice from me. Granted I did see some Lacarioswind tournaments Um, like in my run, like IOULD, lose teCaro, the finals every to often um sure, and if, if anyone was sa yeah it is itis I I did win against a differ amount of time, but and I was actually likefor a while. I was thinking it might not be as bad as I thought, because Ihad like a hundred percent winrate on it and then I st had a couple of gameswhere like actually went, accord a newcario's Plann and it was like yeah.This is well. I actually find the biggest problem against that deck islike where you are forced to discard too many energies early. I theao timewell the deck where it's like. You know you discard two or three. On theopening hand, 'cause you needed...

...thedenna to get your stuff out, andthen you know they knock out a guy, and then they save their gx attack for theend of the game and they bump all the energy off and then you're only hitting,for you know forty damage with your bolltond orsomething like that yeah. Well, I had a very conservative approach to thematchup, where I would. I wouldn't use cocoa atall. Until I got hit with the GX attack, I, U only a Boltun and like I wouldbasically make like really agregeous turn to not discard energy and thatwork that still works pretty well. The problem, as I was starting to runnin to lot of the cars re, also oning craeting, which is too much for Peca Um,like if you're going to play Tecaro specifically for Bega, crushing, isgood. I don't think crushing is like backgood in Locario in general, um sure,but SICIICA. An that match up is pretty rough, so that was tough and I started to run into more and moreLucarios that were going in very aggressively was outions, which is whatyou should do in the PECA match out. Yes, 'cause. What you really want to do.Is You wantto Cao the Bulta, the turn that it uses Um Electrifi and then from there? You have like a reallyclear route where you can just wack a Pika twice and then ca whatever else onthe board Msur, and so what I noticed was the gamesthat I was winning were the ones where I could electrify and flee, and theGames H I was losing, is when I would electri I and immediately die so right right and that's that is reallyjust a problem with Boltin its like. You don't have that survived band. TheBig charm doesn't save it. That's the worst part H, it would be. It wouldprobably be a significantly better matup if Bolton had two hundred and tenhpyeah o like leaps and bounds, just because you can Sawi that earlyaggression yeah. So it is what it is. If people are interested in, likeactual specifics, I don't. I don't have like a ton of details on every singlegame, but I did write out what every match up was and whether it was awinner or a loss i's on a Google dock. That's just on my twiter, so you can gocheck that out. If you're interested to like how things pan out, I think youget a pretty good sense. Ot, like generally how machs went with that Um.What was the mat trip that you found just the most difficult, the most mostdifficult, peaarawas? Definitely UAR MO meal outside of like niche fightingstuff. Like I playd against Hitmon Chan, I was that socked, obviously like Um like Santa Conda, around one lostlike shogets command sure, but outside of that I think ICARRIO asthe hardest Muto can be hard if they run the Ladios, but even that I didn'treally find MOU to to be a problem ure and I never. I never had really anytrouble with ADP UM. The only games felt like I was sing to eighty te oneswhere I was whipping and they were just punishing me for it I' Sure I felt likeif I was getting my game playing going, that I never really lost them Um. So I I got to Saye car, otherwise Ifelt pretty comfortable like I felt good against fire Dack. I felt goodagainst ADP. I felt decent against me too Um. I felt generally comfortable against, likerandom dex in the field M, but Thequa mymetl always had me had mequivering. I also felt very good in the mirror,which isn't which obviously isn't a good match up, but I had an incrediblygood win right in the mirror. I mean that's really good like, particularlyif you think that that decasgaining steam and gaining popularity than tojust be able to find your routes to outplay in the mirror, or just I don'tknow if I find it, you know whatever it is and that have that advantage in theMers. Outside of that. I also want to point out ATTERNI. This is a roughmatch up and I think itteres is kind. If on the rise, because Thetturnis alsois a very good Mutu matsh up, which is also seemingly more popular than itused to be, atturnus is tough yeah, but I think C,comparing like atternives Ora Sucario, like licargo's, a very like consistentgame plan that is so difficult to deal with.Heasatternitis like if you flip, like a Lucky Hammer, heads or you get a stampwrite you off or if they just whip a knockout which,like happens actually a fair amount of time, is like they have a slow turn oneyoutful Blod, yes and like they get two hundred ten damage on the board orsomething it's like. It's like. Okay, I win now so so it Harsatch, I scary, and it likegoes really fast, like you know, he's going to win that match up reallyquickly, usually h, sure sure, but I think licargo's scarier, because it'smore reliable in the Gameplan, that's already difficult, for you sure sure t e Ex. Let's talk aboutresults as a whole. You kind of briefly mention you think that atturnaive is onthe rise m. What are some other decks...

...that you're kind of seeing in the Metagame kind of go up or down one? One thing that I want us to say is thatI've seen in terms of placements just a general lack of Lucario mail metal thathas been a deck that saw kind of this explosion, and then now, I think itskind of settled back down m. You know t one. A tournament over the last weekhad some solid placements, but Um. Certainly there were other decks thatthat performed on the whole a little bit better than Locario Mil metals. Sowhat are some other decks that you're, seeing in the medagame either Du betterthan they did last week or maybe a little bit worse yeah? I still see a lot of the car O el Um, but I think fire has gotten a lot more popular recently. I don't reallyknow. What's caused that 'cause, I don't think the firedacs are very good.To be honest, like I don't like Centa scourage, Idon't like the Green Stares Ard, Um yea, so I I don't really know what's caused.If you BOT really about the fire DAX, probably because the Garon emodal, Iguess so, but then Siv card omeal rises,people get on the Pire decks just like we talk about prorant players off acounterdact, Um and so licarama kind of naturallybreaks under that pressure. Um Ed p actually had, like I don't know,ADP seems to Ev and flow, like I feel, like I'll, either see ad p three roundsof a tournament like all three or I will not encounter adv at all Um. Obviously, it's like a hyperblize, butI feel like Al CADP and streaky amounts Um an man. People like come off and onthe deck I think in general ADP is on was on a little bit of a downturn, aspeople were like very hot on Pekeram for a couple of days there and then ETVas definitely swung back up. As you know, a zols ban playing it again I'sgotten some more tournaments under a spell over the last couple of days. So, if he's definitely back in thelinelight it really I mean it didn't really go anywhere, not really Um, but I do think there's been anoticeable upswiing in people playing ADP and just kind of admitting likeyeah. This is like the gatekeeper well and you you mentione again that thatPKORAM into ADP, which I would have said was a pretty favorable matchop forPikaram, especially you know with the hammers and the yell grunts, if you'reable to get one of those on the first turn yeah, but on the flipside. Now I mean we lookat a list like a Zuls and he's playing. You know cards directly, counteringPEEKA Peakram, so one card that I look at would be the grey catcher. I meanthat was the thing that was generally in ADP Lis, but you know still worthmentioning bfor that match op and then the other one is tool. scrapper Tonoable to get rid the big charm on the Pekaram to be able to take a one shotwith the saushion, so those are both really important cards for the matchhupand I think you know that inclusion just needs to be said because afor sureyou know 'cause otherwise I think it's generally y favorable for Pikaran, butmaybe now with those kind of text coming in, particularly that Scoolscrapper, I think, is something that we should see in more ed P. Lis, thecounter the RISEAN P, yeah, toolscrapper's, really good. It's alsogood and like the Cario Matchat Yeh. So it feels like inexcusable not to playit at this point. But that's Kinda, like one of thebeauties of ADP is it's such a we've. We've harted one T is but apssuch a simple archetype. There's only s only a couple of cards you need in thecore of ad p, to make it work and then you're really free to go ham withwhatever you want. U, you know you can plak crashings, you can play catchers.You can play great catcher and tool scrapper and play clay. You can playresearch. It's like the cores is so simple that you can basically make itwork with anything else. Um and I think that's one of et Pi's, like trueststrength, as e De itself is already so good and you're able to tailor it tofit. What you're expecting to see you see, there's manifest in other wayslike the molotic coming in and out of lists for Centi scorch. I don't thinkthem a lotic that good, but that's like that's ee here or there. It's the factthat you're able to play it at all, ilike really good. So I mean ATP, obviously here to stayreally strong, Dag. I think you have to respect Pegrama Youtu, which havedefinitely been on the up which have index that you know in a Vaqou might have decentNP match ups Um and playing those things to help me to get. That alsothink play the Zigagon, which is supergood n than Mu, toum hatch ut. Yes, all those things compound on each other,and you know just continue to ssert eighty pice to hom inits on the format.Sure, absolutely so you knownot going anywhere, but Iwill say like Pegramyou to definitely like don't inherently suffer from that,like they have pretty good matchip agong to the rest of the field.Pekerhom honestly feels kind of adpsk yeah, except its a little. It has moreof a combak element to it. I guess yes...

Wese. I I think I would agree. ETP ismore. The aggressor and Pekram is more like the defensive deck. Well, what Iwhat I want to ads? That, though, is pramedy p. both, I think, are the decksthat punish whis the hardest. So, if you have like, if you have likean unplayable star against be grom e Ran, will just fold wlits into you putthem on the active and it's like, oh hello, were dointhis. This is where we're at right now: okay, an AP similarly ultimate ray Um andlike you're st screwed after that. So U, but I do think in general ppkaramswoard offensive. So as eighty peoplewill try to aggressely takeprizes, peaparol try and stack down to one frie or eset stamp and paralyzewith the right you- and I mean it's pretty hard to deal with that, nomatter what your deck looks like Yep. Absolutely, where do you thinkatternative fits and all this kind of the one dack that we have not reallytalked about too much and Um? I I'd like to just mention it briefly: Have you played around with anyatternitives? I Know Andrew Mhone recently released a poison atternatisslist that he really enjoyed playing without zixguns favoring, the garbatorand tax croak line just general thoughts on atternativeand what list she should be playing yeah I mean I think, atternatives willalways kindo have a place just because it does so much damage so quickly. Intheory. U What would you have to be careful withwith atternatis is decks? Can punish it really hard ifthey play like energy deile of any sort and you're not playing away around thatUm. So, like some people whave play turbo patches, which is kind of like asoft strategy right, because you need to hit tha turge hatch before you V,emacs, Um and ill se. It has but s ye H, yeah, which I never kne, Never NeverWun. I ever hit head Um, so it's just like it'sturn has thoseinherent flaws to it, in addition to just being a little less consistentbecause of the fact that you can only play Dark Book Mon, like you, can'thave the shame in Crovat turn that someof, these deck Cann, where youresearch, Sham and Crowmat, draw just like way too many cards to Denntoin rby yes, Oh sorry, research TEDENACR, the raiss man so Um, so it doesn't have access to that power.Turn? U So it sometimes CA, get a little more co in awkward hands, whichis definitely a law, especially if you're going for like the poison, routUm, and if you don't play the poisnor out, though you like hardlse for sureto Azamasenta hitting the field which is unfortunate. Yes, it's just do so. I think Atturnis isgood. I think it has really good firematchups. I think it's a good m tomatchup, I think, is above average BEGRA match out Um, but this is a deckthat has a lot of like moving parts. I guess you could say: There's lite goingon and if one of those cogs in the machine gets jammed, then it just allfalls apart really quickly. So it's not addect that I'm like apt to play myself,which I know is contradictory to like meeting really high onatternativesearly in the season Um, but I mean it just consistently like in general andporkamontnconsistently like basic, simple DAX, well rain, sucreme and TaYa. That's what I would eir to yeah yeah. I think- and I think that's kindof what we've seen from the last wee of play were ad p and PKRAM being thosesjust attach attack style deks without a ton of moving pieces. Obviously everydeck is going to play. You know some kind of card where you know you want toHainsi correctly, but those are just probably two of the morestraightforward out of you know what we would consider to be viable tournament.Winning decks, and so yeah definitely speaks to what you just said there.Where don't want to have too many things. You know, go wrong or have have awkwardstarts, yeah, and especially like especially with awkward cards likeitturnus, really struggles with awkward hands like if there's not a lot ofcards that can play you can't just dedenat them away like Croat isinherently limited compared to Thetata, where you can't always draw cards withgirl, bat or a significant amount of them, so sometimes you're, just likewell, I got Ta crow out for one and find two more Bok Mon her so which is just a physically possible dunlikely to happen anyway, even if it was hright. So I scary, montits scarysure, is any final thoughts on on the currentmedagame and I guess players Cot medigain yeah. I mean I would say if I was to continue playing thePlayers Cup like if I had keys, I would...

...look at ADP, Mutu and PGRAM. The basicformat decks that have a relatively simple strategy. Do things very quicklyand get your games moving um those ithink pick your poison amongst thosethey're. All they all got pros and cons within them Um, but they're, allincredibly strong, we'll get you wins, we'll get you those points Um and I would just continue toreamphasize, like all the things that we talked about over the past couple ofweeks about the players, scope, don't get too discouraged when things happen.Take every game is like a learning experience Um. You know if you lose,what could you get out of that and even if it's like very minimal, there's,probably something that you could have got out of it? I think always equippingthat growith mindset is really important. I had a couple of gameswhere um I mean, if I'm being like realy honest, I got a couple of gameswhere I jus wasn't playing my best and like either just wasn't paying fullattention or just made a mistake that was just genuinely. I didn't see theright route at the time and I tried really hard to be aware ofat and as someone who's like inclined to like rage at video games. Like you know, I'm wanting to be likewhat that heck man, I e he just always has everything. L E Welli, a stupidcrap, but but I think, being willing to like takethat step back and be like okay. Well, actually, I had a chance to dosomething different and I chose not to has it ended up punishing me and it did.I had a very distinct moment where I I remember I agreedily attached in energy,and I couldn't move pokmon after that, and so I got hard punished and lost agame off of that Um Isrealizing, like you, have you alwayshave a factor in whether you winter lose B, your Exualis, your deck likelist or yranging actions, so try ND, try and be realycononistane to that.Have a good attitude, though you know, keep positive, keep sticking with decks,don't switch them around too much. Don't even switch the list too muchonce you get to a good list Um, and I think you wil ultimately see thedividends, pay out, yeah yeah and for some of the listeners out here you knowyour players cup run might be over. You might already know hey. You know Ifinished with sixty. You know fifty forty points, I'm not really close togetting there but UM. You know any advice that you would give to thoseplayers in terms of like trying to keep a good attitude about the about the clayerscop yeah. So I wouldsay if it's looking grim or even if it's already over and you didn't getthere Um your value, is the player isn't tied to the players, cop, yourvalue S, a person for sure it isn't tight to the players? Cop Um? That's there's ultimately going to be alot of Ariance in this, just by virtue of the best of one single limbcompletely random, effectively tournaments, like you have no idea.What's coming your way, you can't account for a Meta besides, like areally macro sense of what the metol looks like so there's only so much you can do andlike sometimes bad beats will get you in situations like that Um. I thinkthere will be more playerscups in the fute in the future, as t o, if you'restill interested in pursuing one like trying trying to quit that growthmindset and had into the next one with a new perspective um or to try out someof these other online events like really don't put too much stock intothis inherently m. You know put enough stock that, like you, are taking itseriously and doing what's right for you, but the other Daypok Mont's a gamewe're trying to have fun. I think the game is really fin. Think the decks arereally fun Um, so don't take that for granted eitherlike you know, we're all we're all on thesame bout here right we're trying to do the same thing we're just trying tohave phon plan pork, onk cars, yeah right and I mean ultimately only aselect view- will make it and that's the entow as the intent data is allright right. It's it's supposed to have a little bit of prestige to it. So youknow if it didn't happpen for you this time buckle up. Maybe there will be nexttime, probably therewill, be next time and just keep upping your game with the just huge amount of online things thatyou cald do and just continue to practice. Yourdeck building continue to practice all the ingame play and checking prizes andall that good stuff yeah, now more than ever is a great time to practicallyapply yourself. There's so many online events there's so much content outthere Um. I think, if you're looking to improveNJ made a videow on this as well. This is the perfect time to do it. I thinkwe're going to see an explosion of players if we ever come back to in reallife tournaments o. You think that all translate it in real life. I don'tthink it'll translate like one to one, but I not only do I think that we'regoing to see like just more players 'cause, we already saw that trajectorygo ysignificantly up over. You know the...

...last few seasons in terms of comedyplayers do play the Um. You know the game in real life, but I think we'llalso see just the caliborof players increase across the board, and that isI mean that's also something like very real. You know. Um People might be upset that they'redoing poorly in the players Cot, but they're, comparing Um. You know theiropponents to people that they would see in like a just a general pcgotournament. You know where you Coun pretty much sleepwalk to the finals ofthose ticketed tournaments and that's just not the case with Um yeah with the players CUTP, but I thinkyeah when we get back into real life stuff like there's just going to be somany very, very on point players, just I'm kind of scared in a sense but you're. Looking at allthese people, just like in the lab Um, you know getting there earning theirstripes as it were playing online and I think that'll really pay dividends whenNoor oens come back for Sur, I mean I, I astribute, like my own successes, Um and my own growth hearly on Im, Mi erto playing a lot online and really grinding it out. Um- and I think a lotof players are just doing that by virtue of of what we have to do rightnow, so it'll be really curious to see where we end up in a POSTCO world, woremsbe, significantly, arter ecause people have just been really grinded anout for a year. Your plus Dho knows I'm excited as Su knows. So I think this is a perfect time, then,to segue into the car of the week before we go into our next topic hereand so this week I was inspired by my loss to the hit Monchandeck, andso I wanted to give hit Monchan a time in the spotlight, so I won't give ashot out to hit in run T MONCHAN 'cause. The scars are too fresh, so insteadi'll give Shatot to baset,hit Onchan and, I think this'll say way nice into our next topic as well, butway back in the day, there was one deck that stood above them all and one carthat defined the entire poontrading card game and that was hit Monchan fromBasset, which is funny 'cause, I feel like Imy, can is like not especiallysignificant pokmo like the Gran cemo things like like how many people I feel likewhenever you have these pokemen, that are kind of like duel, Jeel Poke Monlcause like Mycha, doesn't really go. You know it's not it's not. It doesn'texist on its own right. It exists with him on me and to alsearchte him on top,but you just have those popeon like it's, not its own pokemon, really likeyeah. It has to exist with the other one. Even even then I think hiple andtop are both more popular than hit Manchaan. will she disagree maybe hit on top. I I feel like I would.I would say that, but I don't know I I like it much. I always chose him.UNCHIAN, I feel like people like it wily better. I like hit only betterhe's all Strai. Let us know, let us know guys yeah when you comment on theon the podcast in itunes after you give us a five nice plug. So anyway, though sohitmunch an not a terribly significant pok, a on it of its own right, but hada beast of a card in the base set, so seventy helth, which at the time wasmonstrous. I know it seems absurd by today's standards, but that's like OteEnergy Attack Thata. Seventy damage now um, but that was a lot and for oneenergy it did jab for twenty, which at the time was a lot of damagefor one energy, one fighting energy and hen for three energy. It had specialpunch and he never really attacked a special bunch, but you could well, itwas not I mean it was. I mean it wasn't necessarily a lot of damage II. Thinkfor one inder was alot for no downside, especially, I think. Well, I think, though, youlook at h. You look at just the prevalence of energy removal cardsbeing what just absolutely gaykept any right, ol three, four energy yeah it itdid the most damage you could basically for one energy, the theamplist attackUm. It was on a basic which was also key and there was so much denil backthen that like hip, that's why I'm saying that I ept my tin special paunchfor three energy. It was basically irrelevant 'cause Youwere, never aspecial punchiing like as soon as the second energy comes down.You get super energy removal and they're both gone Um, so you were just jabbing away and entiredecks were built around that concept. So electabuzz was another really good.Attacker wit, very efficient attacks, but hit on Chan hid, Electi, Bozt forweakness and then later on, when juggle...

...came out, there was the cither whichresisted at the time that was minus thirty Um so and ad fe retreat and so cyther cameinto the vex, and it was just a whole array of these really strong basicpokaman and Hioncha really is what the whole thing was formulated aroundbasically Um. So it was really cool back. Then you saw a lot of crazyfighting resistant pokemon get played like far fatched was one of them far.The farfetched card was so awful honestly, Itsso really not a great card, but itwas good by virsue of resisting it Monchan. The same thing with like therewere to duo cards that were played with fery attack, just 'cause they'veisisted at Monchan, so it's cool hol. I oncha got that time in the in the light.It's one thing I really like about the trading card game is: it can giverelevance to Pokaman that wouldn't be relevant in the video game by itself.Isure, a D. I think you see that time and time again, DDENA is like a goodexample of Pokoman. That's like doesn't do especially much in the video game,besizes being cute and is critical to the trading card game sure. So I I lovethat. I I think that's one of my favorite things out the trading cardgame is any pocmon could be given the spot late and I think nothngnothingemphacize that better than base at it Mocad, that's great. So speaking of Basset, though I thinkthere is another topic you wanted to hit on yeah well, it's has to do with avery controversial. Have you SA at Logan Paul just recently opened a firstedition. Fase said boosterbacks, among other things, I believe in an effort toraise fonds for charity, raised over o e hundred and thirty thousand dollars for for charity viathis livestream event, where he opened these boxes and he managed to pull. Iges some pretty good things. I think he had that first edition charzard and youknow it's been- certainly the talk of not only the you know, trading cardgame, but just general pokmon collectors as a whole. I mean this is apretty big deal to hee somebody. So big, you know 'cause, we really don't have aside from I mean Leonhardt is kind of the pioneer for pokemon cards and hehas you know a million subscribers so like compared to some other outubers,like you know, some of the other big utuvers, like he yeah. Certainly um h.You know t to only to be our only representative for pokmonttrading cardgame ad, a million you know compared to a lot of other things. You know havingother content. Creators then have all this clout this following come into thegame and not really into the game, but at least ended. The collecting sideright is really very interesting, so howby subcriverces tha can all have doyou know Um, not off the top of my had YOUACHECK TAT or go ahead and yeah I'll I'll go check, hat ou Um. Also on theside. We saw logic, I think, by what a fir Sisitian chars art, an Aisfidlogan Paul, has twenty twopoint: four million utub subscribers wow a lot of people. There's a lot of people that you knoware now. You know know that he likes pokamon yeah and there was a prettyimmediate, like fall out to to logic and logan getting into the Pomontraryancard game collecting, like the prices, a'm, pretty sure,surged like right away as soon as has happened, ihave Aer Wer, he said you know: Ibought a a base set graded card, O first editionShars. That was like a nine or something he said like you ow. I boughtit for two hundred bucks and then he s showed a screen shot and it was overfour thousand dollars sold on Yo on Ebay and it amazing things like that.Where prices go up for those particularlythose an NOSTALGIAC cards, you know th theassras, R, adalist, the firstedition yeah, the Chars Ares, especially 'cause Tartad people lovetheir jarzzards, but I mean I don't know your thoughts ryly. On kind ofthis new wave of of collectors, you know LoganPauland logic being the two that were kind of highlighting, but certainlytherewill be more to come. I think this is just kind of the start of a biggertrend. I don't know how you feel about them, but I am kind of on board with itI mean Okman Um as a stock, in essence kind of a els a little bitdirty. You know it kind of it always to me feels a little kind of grungy andGrimy to talk about. You know the dollar amounts of Pokema cars becauseyeah it's you know it's supposed to be this. This thing for kids and you knowit's just supposed to be kind of whimsical and and fanciful and t reallyjust a kid's thing. But that's that's...

...not true anymore. I mean it certainlywere well past that you know. Poma has created a global brand for themselvesand appeals, not just the kids. You know it. It certainly has done aobviousa job to his old man, Mirea Paask. He to feeling to so many people so yeah. What are your thoughts on kind ofpeople coming into the market and and maybe not even staying in the market?For that long, like Logan Paul could has. You know certainly has gotten alot of attention from this, and- and we know that just from interviews thathe's given he, he really does like to kind of manipulate his fan base, or youknow, j trying to gather as many people to follow hem as possible. I mean hesaid that in various podcasts about the ways and the methods that he goes about, you know using to try to generate somekind of interest in what he's doing, and so, even if he's only here for asecond, I mean I'm curious your thoughts. Do you think this is a goodor a bad thing? I mean on the whole, it's probably going to be good for thegame. There's more attention on it, you'll probably get more people whojust wander into actually playing the game as a result. Um. I don't think, like collectors reallyoffer anything to like the actual game, inherently besides, like bringing moneyinto it like the collectors scene, but the collector seems kind of disperatefrom like the actual playing scene, and I mean sometimes you could argue thecollector sin would be harmful to the playing seat. N, like if they buy a allproduct to get the charshard and certain now it's UN unaccessible topeople who need it sure that'll set. I think I think getting eyes on the gameis generally good. I think that it will bring a positive energy tothe game. It'll reinvigorate people's opinions on Pokmon in general, it kindof kind of legitimizes it in some ways, not that I think I think pokmuns kindof graduated from its phase in the early two. Thousands here people s likeOh yeah, Buk on like you'R, your e loser, like partone that', certainlyhas passed yeah, but you know it. He adds like some legitimacy to the gameUm. I do think it sucks. If you were acollector previously and like you were holding out to by a charzart orsomething and now it's you know what is the word for fiftytimes? I don't know, but is fifty times in price. I feel for you. That isunfortunate, sure and my personal opinions on likecollecting. Seeing aside, I think I think it's good, I think, there's agood thing being offered on the whole yeah. It's kind of it's kind ofinteresting, just how Um, perhaps undervalued these cards were for a longtime I mean, let's say nterestingthing about cellectibles right. If they don'treally have any value, it's just whatever people want to pay for them.Yeah Yeah, but it's you know, I've been in th. I've been in the Games waylonger than you have. You know, ten years now, and so I'm just seeing wherethings were compared to where they are now and like. I just wish that I had Um that you'd know Ri like the Bit Con,but Im ot, icay, Mister Vickoyne. I yeah that I had reached kind of afinancial um place where I couldave, you know made a run at investing insome like we know that m. You Know Otto and Andrew particularly have you know,made some higher end card purchases with their charsarts and their variouso PSA graded cards, and that was just never something I was able to get into.Is You know a lot of my money was going towards school or going towards youjust even attending events and things like this but um. You know it's justkind of it's kind of interesting. Like you know what could have been if youhad bought. You know those charzards for what youknow five years ago would have seemed like an extraordinary amount. You knowthousand dollars or whatever that number was. You know certainly far lessthan what it is today. Just it's it's quite it's quite the the thinker yeah Ialsay one thing: that's especially cool abouike pokemon collecting specificallyis is the fact that people are genuinely attached to the characters ofPokaman so like Ugio and magic. I think magic is a couple of standout likecharacters and cards that people get attached to, but prokamodily I mean we specificallycaught out char charge. Our people earlier and Um, not even digging atthem here is just like people are attached to the character of Charzardsepokmoncollectibles. I think inherently have more staying power andmore like compounding value, because people actually like the thing on thecar specifically and aren't just interested in it, because it', cool orwhaever, and I think, yeah that's another thing that is very interestingabout the POGA trading card game. Is that you know charzard itself is like a brand to itself. I now likepekachew is a brand to itself. It feels...

...like you know, ink two and Charles areare like the to and Ot likelike to is a brand mew is a brand to itself and solike if you're a kid, and you can't get your hands on. You know the firstedition or whatever all the adults want like thee. Are they still print thesecards like they still print these CHARSAR cards? And, like you, open onefrom a pack that you know it's worth, you know significantly lass, you know buck ortwo, but you're still like yeah. You know, I feel kind of a part of that youknow and that I don't know to me, that's that's like so fun yeah. One thing Imean I personally enjoy like collecting pocamod in general, like yeah on my ownright, like I have a Pecachu and a Pchi collection and a Ralit collection as well. It'scool to like have that, like Ralis, obviously been out for very short ti Um,but it's cool to see like the cars of all over time and like be a part of like that character'sjourney. Almost I don't know how else to describe it. Um a think. That'ssomething unique to collecting o oon that other trading car games don'toffer, and I I do really like that part of it. If the characters are part of it,you know yeah and- and it's like it's a little bit different than sports cardstoo right, because you have a sports card and the the player is limited to the you know, seasons that they hadright, the seasons that they played the stats that they had m. You know, andthen you know, presumably they would have. You know multiple different cardsperr each season, but like it's very finite, the amount of like poses thatthey can capture Um. The amount of you know, stats they can put on the back,but like with Pokaman, you can have new arts like we've just had in the lastyear. We've had what would it have been like six new charzard arts, so cool, there's a lot aerlike. Thepossibilities are limitless. You can put Chaar on anything an it's just socool you Chasar, you put, you can put that anything. It's a moneymaker put iton skateboard man yeah. It's allt got to do that, yee. Somebody should for sure, but then that's kind of it's kind ofinteresting too 'cause. Then you can kind of Um, potentially tryi to figureout what the next brand is going to be right. So you could say: Okay wellcharzard and the Pigachu those ere, probably you know Mutu mew. Those areprobably like the standouts from Gen one and then you know go in into Gento,like you probably have onarion Toga Pe Logvan, Lugia, O o, potentially la I don'tthink a as Wutch as Lusia. I I never understood that I always loved Hawawemore. I think I think, with a movie was partof it maybe yeah sure, but it's just interesting like what's going to be thenext thing you know what's going to be the next, just like nothing will evertop chars. Are Assuredly in terms of Pokamon card merchandise, but I don't know. Certainly there arethings that people coan be on the lookout in like future, a like. Oh okay,this Pok Man Card in twenty years, because it's part of this you know species is going to be more highlyvalued than something else to see isn'that what the hoecal spe mean.There'r species of otgrags is funny to hear Hou Likefer in that way as aspecieUm. So actually I have. I have an interestingquary for you Um. What recently released so gent sevenorGen, eight Pokema and do you think, will be theone. That's like really nostalgic in twenty years. Um. I, my God answer- is totricity justbecause of the interesting skapewoard, but Ipersonally don't like it that much, I honestly would have to say something like dragopole drag like that's. That'spseudolegendary, yeah people really like Jagobol. I think it's a goodcandidate. I was just a sleep design. I was also thinking like tapucogo wouldbe pretty memorable, really A. I think people El, like I like Coco, I thinkit's cool hmlike, the tapous you think will be. I think specifically Coco, Ithink specifically go go. Okay, 'cause. It has kind of that. It just varis thatkind of Hacefulfield he's like sleeker he's bouncing around, which is KindoFun. Yeah like in the video games e like Holf back and forth Um. I Don' Icould see coco. I could also see like decision hierincenaror being veryfondly remembered. Okay, yeah yeah incentero could be cool, saoro smash aswell. I was going to say. Certainly there would be some timen like anyanytime. You have a a character that can do kind of thiscrossover where it just makes sense yeah yea. Certainly they get just moreexposure and more people enjoying that Um and then need to lookat the Anema. I haven't kept up too...

...much with the enemy, but certainly h,something like you know: Grininga Right, Ashs GRAGIA. That was a big thing.Ashqanodl was sick in the en of the card suck yeah yeah for sure, but I mean Granida might be the perfectstormwhere. You have yeah. Well, I specifically said ent sevenangennycause crinigs, like the hobvious answer from ten six yeah yeah. No, no for surefor sure, but if you're looking, you know just a shade earlier, I don't knowwhat would be the comparable Pokman from seven and eight yeah. They haven't.Really they haven't put out a Gritin injetence. I feel like Gejowis Jus,almost like designed to be so cool. You know, that's true! That's true!Everybody loves an interest. I I just never understood the tongue thing likeI feel like that should have disqualified it from being as Onili. Ilike the Dogyou like the tone. Really the tongue scarf yeatcot a Gul who's, afrog yeah I mean it makes sense, but like it also, it also is Kinda, weirdo'kno, if, like weird to imagine it in real life like having, but in the videogave where it's like far away from me, it's fine yeah! What's that tongue, do like. Can you imagine like hugging yourNA after a battle like his tongue is just like right? There do you think it uses the tongue as anextra hand like to like pat you on the head, likeit hugs you with its arms and then it like, I held od, hope an. I can't wait for th. I mean that'sgoing to be the coolest thing in twenty years. When we have, you know fullvirtual reality, Pok Mon, you think twenty years is all we got left like until it happens. I mean, I thinkit could happen in ten years. Probably when the computers are. Writing all theall the code and they're like self self, proflicating, yeah, yeah, Soit's Gointo be exciting time for sure. Yo can't wait to ee chors Arin Goi, O Inja n, the virtual realm yeah. I'mdefinitely Goinna, definitely Gongtowell what would be your firstdigital pocim on cose Qifeed, you, of course you wouldn't want to go with somethinga little more off brand. No, I think, like maybe I go for a SCRILP, I could go for a scrut. The SCRUT is sick, yeah scrup's, prettycool. I love I like a shenks. I always really like the Luxra to shinks as likemy first ever shiny, which is cool. That's a good shiny, yeah, it's niceand gold yeah, so Welli think we've reached the naturalconclusion for today. So to W as we close out today, I have one questionfor you: Um. If you could have a collection, justthat has no all molntary values removed from it. You can't sell it. If you getout of collection for one POCOMON, what would it be? Well, it's gotta be Pekitche, becausethen you can get the world championship cards lkthose I mean those are so cool likethey just they look an again the monetary value who has something to dowith that, like I'm, obviously going to be biased because they're all worth youknow thousands of dollars, but they just look fr well, let's say likeany pokeamot have like a comparable like a Levelo, merge, ok, okay, whatwould be that Pokmon for me? What do you come to mind? I mean don't say pchOu, but do you have one that comes to mineum? Give me give me a second tothink an eacure's like my easy answer, but I would have to say yeah I mean myfavorite poke monist Dragoni, but I don't think that that I don't thinknecessarily that dragonit looks that good. You know what I'm saying: Yeahlike idyou Kindo Chunk, Yolo Ers, look Helo Goofy, looking I'V got e little.You know tentical things coming on his head, so it probably had to be something sicklike Reuaza or Kindra, O Kingdra yeah, that's very cool,that's gool, Ansir Um! I think for me I mean Peachyou. I would take for sure,but excluting teachere from the equation. Um Equas is a good answer. I think I thinkmedicros would be really SICKYEA. MEDAGROSI is a cool book in he is oneof the sickest Shinese. I does A. I agree. I'm agree nice. Well. Thank you all so much forlistening. Let us know ontwitter at Tagti POKOMON. What pokamon that youwould want to collect, or you think, deserves more and merchandise and wewill catch you on the next time. Pece Seea.

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