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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast
Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 2 · 1 year ago

3-2. Mad Birthday Party

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are celebrating JW's birthday by taking a pact to always play Mad Party instead of ADP.

What is up everybody? Welcome backto tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting duo. My nameis Riley Hobart and I'm joined, as always, by my good, goodfriend JW crew. All, JW, how's it going? That's going prettywell. Riley, just had a birthday yesterday. You did, and youbeat me to the punch. I was hoping you wouldn't say anything so Icould like catch you off guard, but you're just one of those guys whotakes a lot of pride his birthday. I guess not. I think it'skind of like it started with a meme like many years ago, like ameme before me, and it's where it's like because I really, growing up, never celebrated my birthday, like I never I never really celebrated any holiday, to be fair, like I would never really ask for anything for Christmas. I never really ask for anything for my birthday. I never I hadmaybe like a couple parties, but that just like wasn't who I was,you know. It wasn't like, Oh yes, Oh yes, today isa day to celebrate me, like I never took full advantage of that,you know. So like now, as I get older, it's like,oh well, my birthday is a is a special holiday. I mean youreally have to take this, you know, very seriously if you're my friend.And Yeah, I don't know, it's just been kind of a kindof a funny thing like that. You know, the older I get,the more I'm the more it's like self inflated importance. But maybe it's justsubconscious, like I don't actually care, but maybe it's me subconsciously going back. We should be over. It's Times that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, where like I could have actually felt like my birthdaywas important, but now it isn't, but I'm trying to make it feelso. Yeah, that's funny. That's definitely funny. I I was verymuch the same way. Or I did not really do anything for my birthday, yeah, or like that was a big holiday guy growing up. Idon't think I've quite reached the phase where I've had inflated self importance on mybirthday. Yeah, you'll get there, but once, maybe, once Iget another year two under my belt, that then, oh, yeah,I feel like I've been twenty four forever now, you know, like withthe covid and everything, I feel like I haven't had a birthday in years. It's pretty crazy how our perception of time has changed. Ye have nogetting definitely has. So Yep, but it was good. We played boardgames. Play pandemic legacy. got a couple of rounds under our belt.It's a pandemic legacy. For those listeners at home that don't know, it'slike the game pandemic, but the board will change and you're supposed to playit a certain number of of you know row you're supposed to play it liketwelve times, or you know however many times you need to finish a year'sworth of the game. So it's like every game you play as a monthand there are different things that happened to the board and to the cards andto the characters, and so it's this kind of game that builds upon itselfthe more that you play way, which was really cool. We got startedinto that and then had some you would know this Riley. We got somechicken from hot chicken takeover, which is very a very tasty Nashville hot chickenplace in Columbus, and then my wife and my roommate made a Sushi fordinner and a little raspberry cake roll so all in all, she like itwas really nice. That's true. That's true, and I did minimal dishes, minimal, not zero, which no, not see. I definitely helped.I definitely helped. But you know, if there's one day that you don'thave to do dishes, it's probably that day. But you're just you'reso pure apart that you did some anyway. I did. I did. That'sright. That's right. I could tell that they you know, theyput a lot of time into the day. So how's like? You know what, I will in turn, play my part and and do some dishes. So it's really noble soul. That's right. That's right, I've that. I mean, that is what I want to be known for, adoing things on my birthday. Very nice. Yes, thank you. Thank you. So what'sjw's birthday under our belt? Let's jump right into it then.So over the last few weeks we've really beat into the ground some ofthe big decks in the format the ATPS, the attorney. This is and weknow that that doesn't comprise the entirety the me the you two is eventhere's a lot of decks that are out there and with all sorts of tournamentson the horizon. This is great time to experiment and try them out.Jw just came out with actually a really good video they come out today ofwhy you should get good at the TCG right now and because the format isextantive yet limited in card pool, it's a really good opportunity to try newthings and get really good at them. So today we cover some of ourfavorite rogue ish decks like tier two on words, decks that we think ourviable pickups in today's Meta. So,...

JW, won't you kick US off? Yeah, so one deck that has seen some play recently that really cameout of nowhere is Dustin Zimmerman's and and that testing group, Frank Persic anda few others. They came up with a bird trio deck featuring articunos,at those and Moultrace gx powering up via Victini, and it is reminiscent tokind of the ATP bird trio deck of the past, you know, wherethat deck also used the Victini to power up ATP, to use ATPS GXattack to you know, go into a bird trio. But they just saidHey, you know what, we probably don't need ATP cut that out ofthe list and made a little bit more room for or, you know,consistency cards and setting up this very interesting mechanic where, you know, againyou're letting your Victini die, and so you're setting yourself up to be ableto play into the strategy of lieutenant surge. That was a little roundabout way tosay. Lieutenants are just strategy and, you know, give yourself that kindof mechanic of being able to welder and play like a green's or youknow, Greens for the welders and be able to do some funky stuff there. Doesn't took it to a top sixteen finish in an online tournament over thelast week and I thought it was pretty cool deck that. Again, Ilove the card for one, Articuna multras and Articnos Aptos multrase gx, thestained glass promos like my favorite card, like of all time. I justI love that. That's one of the best, but I'm sure. Yeah, I mean it's kind of cool to see that deck pop up, obviouslydoing the the GX attack like not only heals you, I think it's likea major point for the deck, but it also does a bunch of snipedamage. So being able to take advantage of any deck that plays, youknow, GERACI's. I think baby Blio Cephalon is like probably the one thatI would look to there. But, you know, being able to controlthings against mad party, being able to get control the board against Italian,also things that are really good, and being able to do stuff against aturn. It ISS, although it's a little bit easier with a turn.It is kind of play around the GX attack, but that's one deck thatI look to. That is really interesting. I'm really happy that there are stillthings coming out for this format that we haven't predicted, that we didn'tknow, and I'm actually really happy that the metagame is so diverse that itwould allow a deck like this to to perform. Well. Yeah, it'sdefinitely an interesting archetype. Like you said, very reminiscent of the ATP bird deck. I mean basically the same framework, but trading out the ATP cards forlike welders. Yeah, I mean, and it works. It's streamlined,it works quite well. It gets set up pretty consistently. I thinkthe deck tends to struggle against things that can deal with the bird itself easily. I think it really leans into getting the two hit Koh on the birdand using the gx attack. That's not necessarily a flaw, though, likethat's part of the decks framework and unfortunately just takes rougher matchups to those ocoo kind of decks. Sure, sure, I think it's fun. That reallywhat's Oh God, Oh, yeah, yeah, what, yeah, yeah, what, what? MOSTLY DO? What for? I'm getting my tonguetied. Well, most do you like about? From what you've seen? From what I've seen, I really like it. Into matchups that areforced to multi hit Ko you so good. Example is like an early like Sentiscorch has to hit you moult couple times and you can take advantage ofthat. Sure, very good math and they do play a vitality ban totry and help smooth that the math versus versus, like ATP, and theyeven play like cow powerful Colo this energy which is pretty cool, kind ofhard to like. Yeah, so you can reach it, but you know, you can do it right, but when you do, I mean it'skind of cool, right, because the bird trio can take advantage of thatplus twenty damage buff and so, yeah, it does have a lot of tricks. It has a lot of you know, room for those tech itemcards. So you're playing a green's engine, so you get to play things liketool scrapper, if you choose, you know, you get to playthings like Stellthi Hood, you get to play very easily things like reset stamp, and so that's another thing that I look to the deck and say,yeah, you know, this is kind of cool because you get to utilizesome of these tool cards that maybe don't quite make their way into other lists, but since you're playing a green's engine, you can really capitalize on being ableto search out, you know, whenever you need it, that onetech tool card or you know, Tech Item Card. Yeah, I almostwonder with with stuff like can tally on and bird trio starting to enter theMeta, if one prize decks will consider...

...playing you from a broken bonds againto redase bench damage. Sure that could be cool. I just don't thinkthat you have the room for it in like a deck like blissfalon. Likethink about the decks that sure and would would have things get one shot,you know, by a by a sky legends, and that would be,you know, zigzagoon's and eternity is. That would be GERACI's and bliss fhalon, I mean spear, and that would be, I guess, like crossing, Cross one spirit tumb yeah, I don't know. I mean maybe,yeah, but I don't know. It just doesn't seem like enough archetypes tomake it work it. Maybe speaker, M A P Kurram came back.Maybe, but I think, I think that the the gx attack is notsomething the tech hard for and I think that makes it like that much moreviable. Right, like, it's like, but if you're not going to playthis deck viable offted off the back of its gx attack, then wouldn'tyou just want to D on biable by? Wouldn't get into the countered, Iguess. But would you? Would you really? Would you really expectto see this bird Treo deck? No, if you did, multiple times.Yeah, yeah, sure, it could be something, for sure.Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. It seemed like you have your death. Well, I don't know that it's it's fun, for sure. I don't know thatit's necessarily the kind of I mean, it just doesn't seem like the kindof deck that would ever win a tournament to me. But it seemslike a deck that, in the right hands, could perform very well youknow, it's the kind of deck that seems like it could go thousdred andthree and then it seems like the kind of deck that could, you know, make a run at at a top eight performance. Yeah, and butit just doesn't seem poise to, you know, go all the way.But I mean, I guess, you know, it does take some prettyeven to favorable matchups against a lot of the big decks in the format.So if you the run hot or, you know, again, if ithas more representation, than there might be a chance that it that it couldtake down some of these online tournaments. I know me personally, I don'tplan on taking a green stick to a tournament with the first turn rules.Yeah, green sects are definitely hard. And then also just with Marnie beingkind of, you know, by a staple as it is. I meanwe just pretty much every deck needs Marni. Yeah, so with the Greens decks, you know, it's not like the Greens decks of old, whereyou're only real threat was getting reset stamped, which was still a very real threat, but you could you know, you get reset stamped in the earlyturns after you use your first Greens and you're still drawing, you know,seven cards after your top picks and like that's a pretty reasonable hand that youcan do a lot of things. A whole opening, you know. Yeah, right, and like reducing. You're only reducing it by two. Butagain, when you're trying to combo things, like with the welder, you're tryingto get, you know, your double fire and the welder like it, just it starts to make things really dicey if you do get marnied asopposed to Greens, decks of old that that got reset stamps. Yeah,yeah, for sure. Any any parting words for virtue? I mean,I'm excited to give it another look, but we'll see. We'll see.It's one of those decks that I'm kind of cautiously like like a keeping aneye out for, but maybe not really telling anyone to that they should playit. Like I'm not not sure that that that's the deck that that Iwould be recommending to anyone. Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. Nice. So, Riley, what about you? What are some of your favorite decks? We were just talking about your the meme that you seem to gravitatetowards these kind of these kind of decks that are a little bit memi innature and then they turn out to be very good. And I think youfound another one here. Why don't you tell the listeners about that? Sure, I don't know what you mean by gravitate towards decks that are mean,but well, what about like Guardian is a great example. Guardian was wasno mean for those a real deal through and through. Yeah, so,actually this is birth and very much the same way. was talking with Bradybuttner on discord and we wanted to play pokemon and wanted to find do somethingdifferent. So, yeah, I was actually playing team by tactics simultaneously andI built a bad party deck. I started running with it. Now,before I go on to start like tunes out, I realize that Matt Partyis like a hard meme deck, much more than Guardian or like whacky smackyor any of my previous like decks that I've worked on. I acknowledge thatand I don't think bad party is as good as those decks were. Thatbeing said, that party is performed very, very well for me and it's beenvery surprising. I think you just lean really hard and consistency and playthe decks hard out, it actually does pretty well against pretty much everything that'snot oursis DALGA and Palkia, tag team gas. You know, if youcan avoid that little sucker, then the...

...decks actually decent. It trades reallywell into some of these larger, like multi prize decks like sent to scorchesa very good matchup. A turn it is if they if they don't hita ton of Zigzagoon's or if they don't play if they don't hit a tonof scoop and it's early, or if they don't play scoop upnet, thenI think your favorite in that matchup. And then, like, you canpretty much trade evenly with any other one prize deck, like the Babyl Cephalon'sof the world. You trade just fine with and actually it's probably simpler foryou to get consistent knockouts then then for them, sure, because you don'trely on welder. So the deck is spot and like you get you gettrade five with the faulty guys. So it's just a really fun deck.I was getting really frustrated actually over the last week. I was playing alot of ladder and I was playing a lot of like the big Meta decksand it was just kind of frustrating me, like basically having the same games playedout over and over, not not like down to the game level,but, you know, the same like macro actions were happening over the courseof a lot of games, and I just need something to refresh my perspectiveon the Meta, and mad party is a great way to do that.I feel much more excited and much more rejuvenated about the Meta having played somethingit's a little more rogue, a little more Mimi, but that's still managesto pick up wins and I will say my winner it has been very good. So if you, if you are interested, I would actually recommend liketrying to deck out and just go hard on consistency with a deck like that. Like don't worry about technic it out at all, just go all theway in. I mean not to Brag, but I'm kind of a legend withmad party. So yeah, yeah, so it's become a little bit ofa meme and like my group chats, because I'm just spamming them all abouthow good map party is and like, obviously I'm higher realizing it, butI really can't emphasize enough, like how rejuvenating it's been to like playsomething different and and enjoy it. Yeah, what? What is your win rate? What? Since you, since you brought it up, I thinkthat was either a bait or well, yeah, just like like a bit. It's like high s percent after I don't know, cheese, always dudegames already. That's ridiculous, Bro. And then you would say what's likeyour I mean, I can probably assume your worst matchup, but what isyour worst matchup? It's ATP and then the other matchups. That's scary.Usually is a is a turn of this was scoop up. That's just because, if this, because they can like donkey before you even play. SureChurch, that's stuck. Yeah, yeah, you know what, I take itto a tournament. I would at least consider it, especially if it'sone of those ATP band tournaments. I would actually be kind of down toplay it because it yeah, I will say our ashes, Santa Conte,say the kind of is not a chance our are you playing it with aDugong? With a Dugong? No, all, that's not a bad idea. Yeah, no IDEAH. We saw all the way in consistency, likeI don't mess with the formula. Sure, fair enough, fair enough. Well, that's cool. Yeah, I mean it's kind of like, Imean it reminds me of, you know, night march of old, where youknow, it starts out nobody really gives a much credit and then,you know, the list has to be built in a very certain way andit's not really ever that good, but it's like pretty viable and like itdoes have enough good matchups that like it should be represented in the format.Well, night and good, to be fair. What's that? Night Marchwas that good, though, not when? If not when it first started?Bro I may am out later. There are yeah, later, butMike March was that good? I know I under first really take here theearlier yeah, for shame. Yeah, but that's that's what I'm saying,though. It's like is like you had to build it in a certain wayand it's kind of Janky, and then like we might get support for itlater on in the line and that does actually boost it up to you know, being like a tier one archetype of you're saying, okay, this ismaybe falling somewhere, you know, tier two, two, three, butstill having a place in the Meta, like there might be some support forit that you know, just can help us along and getting to that consistencystatus like that we that we crave with the deck like that. So veryinteresting, very interesting. What a what's your next deck, Riley, thatyou have been having your eye on, that you really like? That maybeisn't something that's the choice of a lot of top players? Yeah, andlooking at the list, I feel like you got the stronger decks of thedecks that we have listed out, but mighter, the funner decks. Andso the deck that the second deck that I want to talk about was thewater and you two deck. So, for the unaware, there is theyou too deck that Plays Frost Moth and takes advantage of a lot of thewater type gx is. And what I...

...really like about this version of youtwo, as opposed to welder, will just do things I like about it. One, it plays hard draw supporters as supposed to relying on welder,and I really welder feels so uncomfortable to use right now. I don't knowwhy, maybe it's just the Marni Heavy Meta, but I hate relying onwelder as opposed to these really good draw support as welder felt much better comparatively. When the draw supporters are worse. You know, in a pre research, pre Marny era welder felt welder deck felt a lot more comfortable to meor up. So that aside, I like it because it has hard drawand I like it because it has more one hit Ko potential, like sustainableone hit Ko potential. One of the things that's realn frustrating me about playingyou too, elder, lately, is how bad the matchup versus at turnit. This is versus someone who knows what they're doing into the matchup.So as long as the turn it is dodges your incident or g x attackand just doesn't hit you without killing you, they can basically guarantee that they winthe game most of the time. And that's really, really frustrating asa youtube player to basically they flipped forward to turn this and you and youknow if they don't stumble that, you basically have lost right. So thatwas really frustrating to me. But whereas the the water deck, as opposedto just having one GX attack that takes an OCO and even then the thefire deck actually can't OK and in turn it this with the with the threehundred damage, but the water one it can with blast soy gxs on capdamage. So as long as you find the damage you are or the waterenergy, you can get there right and there's a lot of cool water attackers. Much honestly, I was looking at the fire attackers, calls attacker pool, and it felt like kind of bad to me, at least relative towhat it used to feel like. And I don't think it's because the cardsare like worse or it's missing pieces that it had before. I just thinkthe cards now are stronger and have more HP and so it's harder for meto to do it's thing. Sure, absolutely, the water has a lotof cool attackers. You have the star me to accelerate on off turns.You have the blast wish gas, you have the blast ways pick up tagteam. It uses frost moth, which is just like sick and of itself. I've tried multiple times and make frost off frostmoth decks work and standard andextended, and so this is like the first one that's like probably the mostviable of all of those. Yeah, and I just really like it forfor the some of those reasons. It's a fun deck to play. Itgets yeah, Okos that it needs to be a viable deck. Yeah,and it's just sick like and it plays hard draws. All everythings together makesit really good. Vulnerabilities kind of lending cells fairly obviously, like if you'retaking a big OCO, it's unlikely that you have a lot of energy lefton the board. So dection capitalized by like bossing up the the frost mothpotentially, and obviously, like some of those, it's up to the player. Other Times like you just have to get rid of all your energy andthere's nothing you can do, and so frost moth, you know, sorry, buddy, like you're dead. So it does have holes that you canpoke into it. Okay, you know, like you have to potentially play hoodsif people are playing mimicy or whatever first. But I think on thewhole it's actually like surprisingly decent. I don't know if the engines have gotto the point where they're like objectively good yet, but it's decent and Ithink with enough excavation it could actually find itself like surpassing weld. Me Too. See you don't think that the lists are perfected yet. I mean,our lists ever perfected? I I don't know if we've hit like the perfectengine was kinds of I don't know, man, I feel like there havebeen, there are been. There our list. That's where like I walkout, arguably, but like, I don't think. I don't think I, like any lists in this matter are perfected yet besides my mad party list. Yeah, I don't know, I don't it's really hard to perfect likethat kind of deck where it's a toolbox deck and it plays like a mixtureof Pokon, like you know your share stage one support Pokemon, but you'replaying a basic attacker and playing all these fanom J xes, like. It'shard to really nail down how it lists like that should look. That meansthat I think the list that are out there for it or pretty good andI do recommend you try it. Yeah, that's interesting for sure. Well,my my second choice for kind of off the beaten path. I.Yeah, now I'm realizing, like, man, this one is this one'slike a probably a tier one deck, but I just have been enjoying I'vejust been enjoying the lacario Mele medal a lot. Just I don't know,I feel like it's a it's it's the only deck that well, it's oneof the few decks that has kind of...

...a different play style from the othertop decks in the sense that you're not just trying to do as much damageas you can as quickly as you can, which is, generally speaking, theplay of almost every other archetype that you would consider, you know,as a contender. And so Lucaro motal I think, yeah, it's just, I say it's off the beaten path because I just think like not alot of people play it like. It takes a certain kind of player tohave that kind of defensive mentality. But it is this archetype that I've reallybeen enjoying. I really like that it just puts the beat down on aturn. It is, you know, you take a bad match up tofire, of course, but you know, if you don't run into too manybaby blow Cephalon or you don't run into too much sent to Scorch,you're probably going to have a good day. And Yeah, I just think thatdeck is very cool. It's a very again counter play style. Whereasall the other decks want to go fast, Lucaro Momono wants to slow the gamedown. Yeah, does Senden scorch have a counter or bronze on yetthe sender. Oh well, I guess if you're playing the Bronzong version,sure then you can add that for for fire stuff. Yeah, yeah,because of course. But cephalon obviously has the whatever it's called, the Cram, the cramp. I don't often see sentence corch has double. I don'tknow that I've seen that in sent a scorch, but ye, ever sencescorchual worches play cram ran through double, though maybe that's the personal experience.I don't want to like let my personal experience like Tain't that. But right, every time I play and send it Scorch, they're playing volks and sendscorches and that's through right, that's their gig. Yeah, and I meanand that's that kind of has to be the thing for sent to Scorch,just because I you know, you don't want to bog that deck, thatdeck especially, like you can't really get away with too many auxiliary attackers.You can't really get away from just like making your deck as consistent as possiblebecause again, like we're talking earlier in the in the podcast, like thewelder stuff, you just want to make it like very straightforward. Yeah,yeah, for sure. I mean to be fair, though, I alsohaven't given send it scorch like much personal time, like I haven't invested timeinto playing send it scorch myself. So who knows? I mean I haveand I've never liked it. I feel like I've voiced that you have afair amount of times. So, like, please stop. So what else doyou like about Lucario no metal? Is it just the the tempo ofthe deck is what draws you to it? Do you feel like it takes prettygood matchups? Yeah, I mean the matchups are are decent. Imean you got you got good, like you look at the good eternity thismatch was being the kind of the thing that just kind of yeah, immediatelymakes the deck biable and then you have pretty much winnable matchups against anything thatjust, you know, isn't a direct counter like you can't really beat can'treally beat things like Decidu ragoons if they can get an obstacle in up.You know, I guess there would be away like with the Brown Zong.You know there you have a chance, but it's like it's just it getshard. It gets hard and then you know ATP can go a few differentways, depending on how you draw in their early game, but a matchis very close, for sure. Yeah, yeah, but I mean it's reallygreat. It's really an interesting deck that I just love. That playstyle up takes some very reasonable matchups to a lot of things and again,with the right matchups you can go far in a tournament and it's been seeinga lot of success. Yeah, the only thing I don't like about thecar EO is how it struggles against the fire decks. And maybe that's justmy own luck, but every time I take Lucar on my metal for aspin, I'm playing against up the CEPHALON into a view two, into alittle Cephalon, into the kind of score that that is the that is thebiggest problem in my opinion of Lakario my metal is that, you know,bliss cephalon is being played a lot, a lot more than I thought itwould be at this point in the format. You know, I thought going intothis format I thought, you know, Blis ceph alone would have have aseat at the table. Like we didn't. We didn't write it offby any means heading into the format, but it just looking at some ofthese results from the online tournaments that have been posted on twitter and things likethis, just seeing all the bliss cephalon that gets played. I mean,people just love this deck and not only do they love the deck, they'redoing very well with it, having, you know, pretty decent matchups againsta number of top decks, being able to one shot all the vmax asmakes it a great a great consideration for any tournament that you play. Yeah, so, I love able stuff on myself, so I get it.Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that would be the scariest thing about playingLucario memtal, but I think a lot of other things you can, youknow, work your way around. Yeah, for sure. Any other decks thatyou want to give a quick shout...

...out to? You don't have toget to and defone a shouty. Yeah, I mean shout out to and Italian, always and always ride or die. I want to shout out toward playthis really cool Chinchino mill deck on stream the other day. Obviously welost our anger, which inhibits the archetype, but he was playing the Rhodo Tillerex coul drill instead and it actually worked like surprising. The well islike a very reset stamp Jesse James Heavy version. Yeah, and as someonewho's much a fan of archetypes like that myself. I want to try thatis. That's the one where you that x couldrill you shuffle four back in. Yeah, man's better Recoru it. Yeah, it's insane, I meanon a stage one, but that's pretty cool. Yeah, for sure.I mean it seems like, seems like the format is due for an alternatewind condition deck. I'll say, do you think that? Do you thinkthat that one could be viable or is relegated to kind of a meme,with like ATP still being a major factor? ATP's problematic. For sure, youcould probably build it to have a better ATP matchup, but yeah,yeah, ATP, man, I know it's like all the possibilities and thenyou're like, well, does it beat ATP? No, okay, yeah, maybe shouldn't put them too much more stock. Yeah, we were talkingabout this before the stream even, and it's like with with dex like these. I think the real problem with ATP, and I don't want to delt toomuch into this, I don't want to take too much time out theprogress stout att again, but I think the real problem with it isn't thefact that ATP takes like blow out matchups against the other top decks. It'sthe fact that it prevents other texts from potentially thriving. Like if I'm playingx deck and X DEC takes like slightly favorables versus other top decks, relativelyeven matchups elsewhere, but just hard loses to ATP, which is like aquarter of the Meta, then it's just not a viable deck, you know, like down. So definitely tough. That's definitely tough one. Any otherones, Riley, that you look to just kind of on the fringes ofviability or top, top level play here and he decks. You're like inthis format. I think that mill deck is like the the main one thatI wanted to shout out on the fringe. Yeah, I'm already kind of delvinginto the pretty far into the fringe on a you know, when Iwithout the mad parties. So, yeah, whom I right anything else, butthat rocks. So, J W, you haven't revealed this to me yet, but I wanted to to pose it to you so that I presentedto everyone. What is your car to the week for the week? Yes, my card of the week is yeah, we definitely need a jingle, forsure. We Jingle. That would be so cool. We duly cool. My car of the week is I actually just learned about this card,but it is a unique card, Japanese only card. So, you know, it actually kind of piqued my interest because there are a lot of Japanesecards that are Japan print only. Right, like they'll do contests. Yeah,this is a big thing. I mean it, they've they've been fairlyconsistent, and think of a few times, but particularly in the early, youknow few years of Pokemon, where they would hold contests about, youknow, send in your drawing and then you'd have this like, you know, extremely hideous snore las drawn by like a four year old that would makeits way onto a pokemon card and like that's awesome. But Anyway, soJapanese only card that came out in two thousand and four that is one ofa kind, not only because it's a it's a promo card, but italso has a hollow style that we've never seen before, and the hollow styleis called lenticular. Went tickular, and lenticular means that it changes the youknow, when you change the angle of the card, it'll change the thepicture of the things you get from like Burger King. Yeah, exactly,and I had no idea that they made this kind of hollow style onto anycard like it makes a lot of sense. And certainly lenticular based products were abig thing, you know, fifteen years ago, right about this cardcame out, you know, and it's just very cool. So there's thisdeoxys Promo came out in I think some kind of theme deck in Japan,but it's a lenticular promo and the cool thing about Dioxys, right, isthat it has all these different forms.

So that's yeah, so every timeyou tilt the card it'll show you a different form of the boxes and Ijust think that that is that's so cool, amazing. Yeah, and I hadI saw this card on it was some like Pokemon card twitter thing,like Oh, look at this crazy lenticular pokemon card. No one else,you know. It's never been done since and I just really piqued my interest. So it's an amazing card. It's something that I'm like want to ownat some point in the future. Yeah, surprisingly not that expensive, but yeah, it's just really cool that pokemon has a card out like that whereyou change the angle and it changes the picture on the card. I justnever thought that that was a thing. That's actually so cool, ti Ohman, til that's right, man, I'm glad, I I'm glad Imade you learn something today. That's exciting. I kind of want that card too. Yeah, well, don't outbid me on Ebay. Is there onlyone? Talk? No, I don't know. It's just I mean it'shard to get. It's like a not hard to get, but it's likea fifteen year old card, so you're not going to see a ton ofthem. Yeah, on Ebay, I was looking at some that like we'regraded, and I don't think. I'm sure, the pop number is extremely, extremely low on a card like this. You know, in the in thefew that I can find are like pretty heavy play and, you know, still still receiving like pretty sizeable asking prices. So yeah, if you'reinterested in this card, this would be one that I would pick up soonerrather than later. I mean again, it's a one of a kind,Japanese only promo from sixteen years ago, so not a lot out there.Strike it all, the iron thought. May Well strike a while the iron'scool. Maybe while there's well, there's not more demand, not a goodtime to strike. That's awesome. That is actually that is so cool.If you can't tell this from my flection, I think that's that's really really neat. Yeah, for sure, for sure awesome. Well, thank you, toy. That was does a fantastic card of the week. So nowwhat a great ti. So, just to reiterate for everyone at home,since this is only the second time we've done it and see three a tagteam, we're going to be presenting alternating cards of the week. So definitelybe on the lookout for this in the midpoint of the episodes if you're curious. What kind of things were looking at. No real theme to him, justreally whatever we want. That's right. So let's jump into our next topichere. I want to talk about the the full grip series actually,that you organized alongside Andrew Natalie. So, yeah, this is super exciting.I just signed up for it myself today, but I'd like to kindof give you a chance to platform it and play it. Yeah. Well, I mean at this point there's not a ton left to plug because inthe in a matter of about two hours, we sold out of all sixty fourslots for the tournament. But we've been seeing a number of tournaments dovery well online. I mean they're just like a lot of different places thatyou can go on any day of the week and play an online tournament,and I just felt like hey, you know, maybe it was time forfor full grip to join in on that and, you know, for meto join in on that, like I do enjoy, you know, hostingtournaments and putting those together and just creating, you know, community and creating thingsthat the pokemon community will enjoy, and so that was kind of thethe onus behind this. I texted Andrew and I you know, one dayI was like, Hey, we should really think about doing something like this, and I think he was really interested because it was something that he couldbe a part of, but not necessarily run, because he is a littlehe's a little more excited about in person tournaments and a little less excited aboutdoing online tournaments. So he kind of needed someone to say, Hey,I'll take on, you know, a lot of the you know, organizingand kind of planning for this kind of event and you can kind of takea you know, a side view, like you don't have to be theman on this kind of project, and so I think that was really reassuringto him and also, I think he wants to play too, and thiswill give them a really great opportunity to play in an event that, youknow, is really, you know, low stakes, but also real prizeslike that. That's also what separates us, I think, from a lot ofthe other tournaments. Is, like, you know, sure a lot ofpeople like online packs. They do, you know, and that's that's agreat thing and like that's a very worthy prize to give out, especially, you know, on an event that runs during the weekday. But,like, we wanted this to be something...

...where, if you won the event, you know you're getting a booster box, like you're getting something very tangible rewardthat makes you feel like you got your money's worth, you know,in a big way. Like it makes you feel like you amplified your money'sworth, you know, many times over. And not to say that, notto say that you wouldn't feel the same sense of gratitude winning pack.So that's not what I'm saying. But just like there's you know, it'sa little bit of a bigger buying and a little bit of a bigger reward. So that is something very cool that we're excited to bring to the community. Yeah, that's awesome. So for those who are unaware, you candefinitely check out the full grip series. There's information about it on JW's channel. It'll be streamed on JW's twitch channel, flecks daddy righteous and the vods.Are the full Bod's just going on your youtube? Is that the plan? I don't quite know. We'll see how they turn out. I mighthave to cut them up just depending on how the quality turns out with thediscord. So that is obviously that's going to be a big issue. Butpotential issue with discord, you know, streaming people's petcgl matches and things likethat. I'm sure we'll be able to have enough quality games to put upthe on the Youtube. But yeah, of course you can always watch thebods later. Our first tournament is happening in a week from yesterday, mybirthday, and so they are going to go. They have already almost soldout. So as far as I know, there's from I don't know, threepm or something in Natalie said they were like for slots left, sothat one looks to be pretty much sold out at this point of the recording. And then you can join. We're going to start doing them with acamp and we're going to start doing them bi weekly. Now this could completelychange, but you know, if this next one is in a week fromnow, then you know, you could count on the next, the secondevent to be three weeks from now. So if you want to get inon that, make sure that you you know, kind of plan ahead veryyeah, I know, I know, it's crazy. So but it's great. It's really great to see that the, you know, community wants to anevent like this amongst many of the other events, and we're excited tobring something that will be high quality, that will be high player experience.You know, we were they want to take make sure that the players aretaking care of in terms of getting an event done in a very, youknow, kind of I don't want to say reasonable, but that's he wordthat's coming to mind, or like, you know, you're going to play, you're going to sit down, you're going to play, you're going toplay your you know, three hours or three and a half hours and thenyou're going to be done and it's not like, you know, you're notdragging on into the night or anything like that. So I really want tokeep player experience at the forefront of this event and I think it'll be areally great production and something that we can build on in the future. Awesome. Yeah, yeah, and shout out the full grip as always. Well, honestly, shout out to Natalie. She has been amazing on the onthe back end. She's doing all the work that, like, you don'tsee. Like I'll probably be doing a lot of the production the day ofand certainly helping with, you know, getting people organized, but she's doinga lot of stuff with the you know, with the Organization of the tournament,taking people's, you know, entry fees and and working on the discordand make sure everyone's signed up, and she just has a real knack fordoing that and she does a very well and she's dealing with you know,a lot of a lot of people are in now and and she's doing avery great job. So, yeah, shoutouts to her for them. Natalieis definitely the best, no doubt in my mind. They're go down.So I do recommend that you all continue to check this out and if youhaven't signed up for this week, be sure to check it out on thechannel as it goes live and if that seems to interest you. It seemslike a cool thing that you want to be a part of. Sign upfor the next one. Absolutely so. Cannot recommend it enough. I thinkit's going to be a ton of fun, cool. I'm happy you're playing init, Riley. Yeah, it was a is a tough sell man. I would never want to participate in in your event, of all events. That's true. That's true. Yeah, you Sleeza Ball, for sure rightnow. Yeah, no, I kind of suck somethings. Yeah,for sure, but it was your birthday yesterday, so you and I likeof the week anniversary of your birthday, I thought it was only appropriate thatI play in your bed week, Bro. But a mean week? You meanmonth, the month of September. Well, no, the week anniversaryof your birthday is the event. Yeah, oh, that's true. That's true. That's true. Yeah, that's true. So that's that's a prettybig day on my calendar. Got To make sure to do something special forthat. Now you're getting yeah, it's...

...the it's the corridor of JW's birthdays. Well, good stuff. Well, let's let's open up the floor toany questions that our viewers have. We have one here that is not somuch a question as a very nice statement saying Riley and JW looking fresh withthe new hairstyle. Now I don't know that I have a new hairstyle andI don't know that you have kind of styled your hair in a different way, different I feel like it's been the same for us. Oh, it'snot as it's not as big. That's it's kind of more coincidence where theythink, yeah, it's it's a little, it's a little more kind of it'sless boy band and more emo. Very cool, very cool. Yeah, I feel like they an occupy a similar space. Well, you arewearing a nice little sweaty and nice little sweaty. Yeah, I'm wrapping thethe Teddy Fresh Spongebob Merch. Yeah, it's very cool. I know you'rereally hype about that. When it when it was released, I was yeah, it's so good it. Yeah, looks Nice. Looks Nice, it'sso comfy. The only it's just too warm. That's the only thing.We should too warm. That's not really complaint, but like it's like stillit's still warm enough outside and yeah, that having a really comfortable warm sweatshirton is like a little too much. Yeah, it is. It definitelyis. Like it was eighty eight today. Well, I mean it was likea little. It was in the S. Wisconsin today it's very rainy. It was in the S, I think, like the whole day.Or Wow, it is raining all day. So you're so lucky, dude.Is that lucky? Yeah, I love I love that weather. MaybeI'll just come up there and and work for epic. Maybe I got aposition at the food court. Probably, but well, we'll mopen together.That sounds great. That does so would be fun. Get the Streamer House. That would be kind of interesting. Yeah, that would be kind ofinterest. We have something like Pokmon all you'd play this mad party, thoughI'd be so bory, so sick, but I would just play. Ijust play ATPN, your mad party and now either party where is? Ohyeah, that'd be epic. I'd be so happy. Okay, let's getthe actual questions thought. So we have another one here that says, whatdo you guys think of the new Zarrud a V haven't asking the question.Possibly the savior of grass types. So the news rude. Oh, youknow what it does, right, Riley, I don't jungle rise. So junglerise for a couple grass energy says. You may attached to basic energy guardsfrom your hand to your bench pokemon in any way that you like andhe'll all damage from those pokemon. So very reminiscent to what card Riley.It's like selivy mixed with subtile and it's it is. Yes, I wasjust going to say Scottile. So very interesting little card here. That aboutto know. What are your I guess if you've never seen the card.What are someone Chas questions? Two hundred and ten, I wle know,not viable. It hits for the resistance into the dog card and the dogcard knocks it out. Actually, yeah, that's true. Yeah, Dang olddog card bro Ruining everything. The dog card. Man, I wantedto call out magic harp sixty two. Is Problem, referencing ATP and howit's affecting the metagame, says. Wasn't this the problem people had when tryingto deck build when Buzz Rock was so dominant? Or not on the samescale? Think it depends on the period. I would say not in the samescale. I will like the thing with Buzz Rock was like people,people could respect it, but like actively, I feel like chose not to anda lot of ways, like if you were playing, if you're playingas or arc deck and you weren't playing a mew, I don't know whatyou were doing. Well, even beyond that, I was like there arethings you could do to make your deck better versus Buzz Rock, but likethere's not a lot you can do to make your deck better versus ATP,like it either can yeah, I needn't hangers. Can't so write. Ithink, fundamentally right, not the same problem. Yeah, I know,it's just inherent right in the card or in the deck itself, whether ornot a can, you know, beat that archetype, whereas maybe it wasn'tso much in the past where you could, yeah, again, add those textsor build your deck and which way to be able to beat Buzz Rock. I never felt that. Maybe that's just me because I didn't play aton of Buzz Rock. I was guess I was either like being a contrarianor I just didn't test that well with...

...it. But I never really feltlike I I never really felt like it was that dominant presence, being onthe outside looking win, like I never really I never really felt like itwas that dominant presence it definitely was. I'd actually I tested so much buzzedrock but always ended up playing zoar. It was actually insane. Yeah,yeah, I think the only real tournament I played buzz are for was world, but I consistently tested it before every tournament and it was always good.I just feltways end up playing something else. Right, I don't know, probablyjust ma masochism murder, that's funny. and Mass Dave if our last questionthe day asked do you think Salmon's v Max is any viability in thisformat at all and trying go with Vika Bolt to soft enough dude's while buildingup of emacs and it kind of works. Thoughts? And Salmon's Salmons? Ireally don't have a ton of thoughts. They've it sounds like an interesting listthat you're playing them. The vehicle does not something I've seen in Salimonsand I generally would shy away from a Salamons that plays electric just because you'regoing to have a hard time chaining your triple ex cells. But I cansee where you're going with that, kind of making that up by giving yourselfmore turns, presumably by playing the vehicle bolt. So it seems like youhave a good concept there, and I'd be curious to see kind of whatwhat a list like that would look like in some gameplay with it to reallygive a valid assessment. Yeah, I do. I do actually like theidea of using vehiclele to like fix the math while also giving you, hopefully, turns. Yeah, yeah, it's I it's hard to guarantee that thatwould like, practically work, but it's super cool, absolutely awesome. So, if you take away anything from the pod today, it's that mad partyis busted. ATP is garbage, and so you should play one of thosetwo decks, and that one being the bad party deck. Would you haveyou? I agreed, dude, I agree, and you, Josh,you should also get your hands on the lenticular Deoxis. That's so true.I think if everybody swapped their ATP DECK FOR A bad party deck, theworld would be a better place. What if we just made that packed asa community? Yeah, as a community is like if you ever find yourselfwanting to play ATP, you know just like say no, just say hey, you know what, I'm going to go with mad party instead. Maybemake the game a little bit more fun, like we're kind of instead of theban ATP movement. What if we just it's like not a it's nota call and on anti ATP OR FRO bad party. Yeah, yeah,right, there we go right. Or it's not a call to the tothe higher ups, like we need to take a stand here and now andjust not play ATP. So maybe we should. You know, if yousee anyone playing ATP, you know, just maybe tell him to stop,like they don't need that, and get them help. Yeah, yeah,yeah, just ask if they're okay. Yeah, and see what you doto make their check in on people's mental health. It's on us. It'sit's actually all on us. What poke I should actually do is they shouldprint a synasty with mad party and then it'll all come together. That wouldthat would get me pretty pogged. would be so pun I would give mepretty pogged. Cool. Well, thank you so much for your continue tosupport. I make sure, if you're listening on your podcasting platforms, torate interview. The support really helps us out and gets this boosted up somore people can discover the content and we can keep pumping out more great stufffor you, guys, and we will catch you all next week piece.See You.

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