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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 2 · 1 year ago

3-2. Mad Birthday Party

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are celebrating JW's birthday by taking a pact to always play Mad Party instead of ADP.

What is up everybody? Welcome back to tag team, the POKEMON trading card games premier podcasting duo. My name is Riley Hobart and I'm joined, as always, by my good, good friend JW crew. All, JW, how's it going? That's going pretty well. Riley, just had a birthday yesterday. You did, and you beat me to the punch. I was hoping you wouldn't say anything so I could like catch you off guard, but you're just one of those guys who takes a lot of pride his birthday. I guess not. I think it's kind of like it started with a meme like many years ago, like a meme before me, and it's where it's like because I really, growing up, never celebrated my birthday, like I never I never really celebrated any holiday, to be fair, like I would never really ask for anything for Christmas. I never really ask for anything for my birthday. I never I had maybe like a couple parties, but that just like wasn't who I was, you know. It wasn't like, Oh yes, Oh yes, today is a day to celebrate me, like I never took full advantage of that, you know. So like now, as I get older, it's like, oh well, my birthday is a is a special holiday. I mean you really have to take this, you know, very seriously if you're my friend. And Yeah, I don't know, it's just been kind of a kind of a funny thing like that. You know, the older I get, the more I'm the more it's like self inflated importance. But maybe it's just subconscious, like I don't actually care, but maybe it's me subconsciously going back. We should be over. It's Times that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, where like I could have actually felt like my birthday was important, but now it isn't, but I'm trying to make it feel so. Yeah, that's funny. That's definitely funny. I I was very much the same way. Or I did not really do anything for my birthday, yeah, or like that was a big holiday guy growing up. I don't think I've quite reached the phase where I've had inflated self importance on my birthday. Yeah, you'll get there, but once, maybe, once I get another year two under my belt, that then, oh, yeah, I feel like I've been twenty four forever now, you know, like with the covid and everything, I feel like I haven't had a birthday in years. It's pretty crazy how our perception of time has changed. Ye have no getting definitely has. So Yep, but it was good. We played board games. Play pandemic legacy. got a couple of rounds under our belt. It's a pandemic legacy. For those listeners at home that don't know, it's like the game pandemic, but the board will change and you're supposed to play it a certain number of of you know row you're supposed to play it like twelve times, or you know however many times you need to finish a year's worth of the game. So it's like every game you play as a month and there are different things that happened to the board and to the cards and to the characters, and so it's this kind of game that builds upon itself the more that you play way, which was really cool. We got started into that and then had some you would know this Riley. We got some chicken from hot chicken takeover, which is very a very tasty Nashville hot chicken place in Columbus, and then my wife and my roommate made a Sushi for dinner and a little raspberry cake roll so all in all, she like it was really nice. That's true. That's true, and I did minimal dishes, minimal, not zero, which no, not see. I definitely helped. I definitely helped. But you know, if there's one day that you don't have to do dishes, it's probably that day. But you're just you're so pure apart that you did some anyway. I did. I did. That's right. That's right. I could tell that they you know, they put a lot of time into the day. So how's like? You know what, I will in turn, play my part and and do some dishes. So it's really noble soul. That's right. That's right, I've that. I mean, that is what I want to be known for, a doing things on my birthday. Very nice. Yes, thank you. Thank you. So what'sjw's birthday under our belt? Let's jump right into it then. So over the last few weeks we've really beat into the ground some of the big decks in the format the ATPS, the attorney. This is and we know that that doesn't comprise the entirety the me the you two is even there's a lot of decks that are out there and with all sorts of tournaments on the horizon. This is great time to experiment and try them out. Jw just came out with actually a really good video they come out today of why you should get good at the TCG right now and because the format is extantive yet limited in card pool, it's a really good opportunity to try new things and get really good at them. So today we cover some of our favorite rogue ish decks like tier two on words, decks that we think our viable pickups in today's Meta. So,...

JW, won't you kick US off? Yeah, so one deck that has seen some play recently that really came out of nowhere is Dustin Zimmerman's and and that testing group, Frank Persic and a few others. They came up with a bird trio deck featuring articunos, at those and Moultrace gx powering up via Victini, and it is reminiscent to kind of the ATP bird trio deck of the past, you know, where that deck also used the Victini to power up ATP, to use ATPS GX attack to you know, go into a bird trio. But they just said Hey, you know what, we probably don't need ATP cut that out of the list and made a little bit more room for or, you know, consistency cards and setting up this very interesting mechanic where, you know, again you're letting your Victini die, and so you're setting yourself up to be able to play into the strategy of lieutenant surge. That was a little roundabout way to say. Lieutenants are just strategy and, you know, give yourself that kind of mechanic of being able to welder and play like a green's or you know, Greens for the welders and be able to do some funky stuff there. Doesn't took it to a top sixteen finish in an online tournament over the last week and I thought it was pretty cool deck that. Again, I love the card for one, Articuna multras and Articnos Aptos multrase gx, the stained glass promos like my favorite card, like of all time. I just I love that. That's one of the best, but I'm sure. Yeah, I mean it's kind of cool to see that deck pop up, obviously doing the the GX attack like not only heals you, I think it's like a major point for the deck, but it also does a bunch of snipe damage. So being able to take advantage of any deck that plays, you know, GERACI's. I think baby Blio Cephalon is like probably the one that I would look to there. But, you know, being able to control things against mad party, being able to get control the board against Italian, also things that are really good, and being able to do stuff against a turn. It ISS, although it's a little bit easier with a turn. It is kind of play around the GX attack, but that's one deck that I look to. That is really interesting. I'm really happy that there are still things coming out for this format that we haven't predicted, that we didn't know, and I'm actually really happy that the metagame is so diverse that it would allow a deck like this to to perform. Well. Yeah, it's definitely an interesting archetype. Like you said, very reminiscent of the ATP bird deck. I mean basically the same framework, but trading out the ATP cards for like welders. Yeah, I mean, and it works. It's streamlined, it works quite well. It gets set up pretty consistently. I think the deck tends to struggle against things that can deal with the bird itself easily. I think it really leans into getting the two hit Koh on the bird and using the gx attack. That's not necessarily a flaw, though, like that's part of the decks framework and unfortunately just takes rougher matchups to those o coo kind of decks. Sure, sure, I think it's fun. That really what's Oh God, Oh, yeah, yeah, what, yeah, yeah, what, what? MOSTLY DO? What for? I'm getting my tongue tied. Well, most do you like about? From what you've seen? From what I've seen, I really like it. Into matchups that are forced to multi hit Ko you so good. Example is like an early like Senti scorch has to hit you moult couple times and you can take advantage of that. Sure, very good math and they do play a vitality ban to try and help smooth that the math versus versus, like ATP, and they even play like cow powerful Colo this energy which is pretty cool, kind of hard to like. Yeah, so you can reach it, but you know, you can do it right, but when you do, I mean it's kind of cool, right, because the bird trio can take advantage of that plus twenty damage buff and so, yeah, it does have a lot of tricks. It has a lot of you know, room for those tech item cards. So you're playing a green's engine, so you get to play things like tool scrapper, if you choose, you know, you get to play things like Stellthi Hood, you get to play very easily things like reset stamp, and so that's another thing that I look to the deck and say, yeah, you know, this is kind of cool because you get to utilize some of these tool cards that maybe don't quite make their way into other lists, but since you're playing a green's engine, you can really capitalize on being able to search out, you know, whenever you need it, that one tech tool card or you know, Tech Item Card. Yeah, I almost wonder with with stuff like can tally on and bird trio starting to enter the Meta, if one prize decks will consider...

...playing you from a broken bonds again to redase bench damage. Sure that could be cool. I just don't think that you have the room for it in like a deck like blissfalon. Like think about the decks that sure and would would have things get one shot, you know, by a by a sky legends, and that would be, you know, zigzagoon's and eternity is. That would be GERACI's and bliss fhalon, I mean spear, and that would be, I guess, like crossing, Cross one spirit tumb yeah, I don't know. I mean maybe, yeah, but I don't know. It just doesn't seem like enough archetypes to make it work it. Maybe speaker, M A P Kurram came back. Maybe, but I think, I think that the the gx attack is not something the tech hard for and I think that makes it like that much more viable. Right, like, it's like, but if you're not going to play this deck viable offted off the back of its gx attack, then wouldn't you just want to D on biable by? Wouldn't get into the countered, I guess. But would you? Would you really? Would you really expect to see this bird Treo deck? No, if you did, multiple times. Yeah, yeah, sure, it could be something, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. It seemed like you have your death. Well, I don't know that it's it's fun, for sure. I don't know that it's necessarily the kind of I mean, it just doesn't seem like the kind of deck that would ever win a tournament to me. But it seems like a deck that, in the right hands, could perform very well you know, it's the kind of deck that seems like it could go thousdred and three and then it seems like the kind of deck that could, you know, make a run at at a top eight performance. Yeah, and but it just doesn't seem poise to, you know, go all the way. But I mean, I guess, you know, it does take some pretty even to favorable matchups against a lot of the big decks in the format. So if you the run hot or, you know, again, if it has more representation, than there might be a chance that it that it could take down some of these online tournaments. I know me personally, I don't plan on taking a green stick to a tournament with the first turn rules. Yeah, green sects are definitely hard. And then also just with Marnie being kind of, you know, by a staple as it is. I mean we just pretty much every deck needs Marni. Yeah, so with the Greens decks, you know, it's not like the Greens decks of old, where you're only real threat was getting reset stamped, which was still a very real threat, but you could you know, you get reset stamped in the early turns after you use your first Greens and you're still drawing, you know, seven cards after your top picks and like that's a pretty reasonable hand that you can do a lot of things. A whole opening, you know. Yeah, right, and like reducing. You're only reducing it by two. But again, when you're trying to combo things, like with the welder, you're trying to get, you know, your double fire and the welder like it, just it starts to make things really dicey if you do get marnied as opposed to Greens, decks of old that that got reset stamps. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Any any parting words for virtue? I mean, I'm excited to give it another look, but we'll see. We'll see. It's one of those decks that I'm kind of cautiously like like a keeping an eye out for, but maybe not really telling anyone to that they should play it. Like I'm not not sure that that that's the deck that that I would be recommending to anyone. Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. Nice. So, Riley, what about you? What are some of your favorite decks? We were just talking about your the meme that you seem to gravitate towards these kind of these kind of decks that are a little bit memi in nature and then they turn out to be very good. And I think you found another one here. Why don't you tell the listeners about that? Sure, I don't know what you mean by gravitate towards decks that are mean, but well, what about like Guardian is a great example. Guardian was was no mean for those a real deal through and through. Yeah, so, actually this is birth and very much the same way. was talking with Brady buttner on discord and we wanted to play pokemon and wanted to find do something different. So, yeah, I was actually playing team by tactics simultaneously and I built a bad party deck. I started running with it. Now, before I go on to start like tunes out, I realize that Matt Party is like a hard meme deck, much more than Guardian or like whacky smacky or any of my previous like decks that I've worked on. I acknowledge that and I don't think bad party is as good as those decks were. That being said, that party is performed very, very well for me and it's been very surprising. I think you just lean really hard and consistency and play the decks hard out, it actually does pretty well against pretty much everything that's not oursis DALGA and Palkia, tag team gas. You know, if you can avoid that little sucker, then the...

...decks actually decent. It trades really well into some of these larger, like multi prize decks like sent to scorches a very good matchup. A turn it is if they if they don't hit a ton of Zigzagoon's or if they don't play if they don't hit a ton of scoop and it's early, or if they don't play scoop upnet, then I think your favorite in that matchup. And then, like, you can pretty much trade evenly with any other one prize deck, like the Babyl Cephalon's of the world. You trade just fine with and actually it's probably simpler for you to get consistent knockouts then then for them, sure, because you don't rely on welder. So the deck is spot and like you get you get trade five with the faulty guys. So it's just a really fun deck. I was getting really frustrated actually over the last week. I was playing a lot of ladder and I was playing a lot of like the big Meta decks and it was just kind of frustrating me, like basically having the same games played out over and over, not not like down to the game level, but, you know, the same like macro actions were happening over the course of a lot of games, and I just need something to refresh my perspective on the Meta, and mad party is a great way to do that. I feel much more excited and much more rejuvenated about the Meta having played something it's a little more rogue, a little more Mimi, but that's still manages to pick up wins and I will say my winner it has been very good. So if you, if you are interested, I would actually recommend like trying to deck out and just go hard on consistency with a deck like that. Like don't worry about technic it out at all, just go all the way in. I mean not to Brag, but I'm kind of a legend with mad party. So yeah, yeah, so it's become a little bit of a meme and like my group chats, because I'm just spamming them all about how good map party is and like, obviously I'm higher realizing it, but I really can't emphasize enough, like how rejuvenating it's been to like play something different and and enjoy it. Yeah, what? What is your win rate? What? Since you, since you brought it up, I think that was either a bait or well, yeah, just like like a bit. It's like high s percent after I don't know, cheese, always dude games already. That's ridiculous, Bro. And then you would say what's like your I mean, I can probably assume your worst matchup, but what is your worst matchup? It's ATP and then the other matchups. That's scary. Usually is a is a turn of this was scoop up. That's just because, if this, because they can like donkey before you even play. Sure Church, that's stuck. Yeah, yeah, you know what, I take it to a tournament. I would at least consider it, especially if it's one of those ATP band tournaments. I would actually be kind of down to play it because it yeah, I will say our ashes, Santa Conte, say the kind of is not a chance our are you playing it with a Dugong? With a Dugong? No, all, that's not a bad idea. Yeah, no IDEAH. We saw all the way in consistency, like I don't mess with the formula. Sure, fair enough, fair enough. Well, that's cool. Yeah, I mean it's kind of like, I mean it reminds me of, you know, night march of old, where you know, it starts out nobody really gives a much credit and then, you know, the list has to be built in a very certain way and it's not really ever that good, but it's like pretty viable and like it does have enough good matchups that like it should be represented in the format. Well, night and good, to be fair. What's that? Night March was that good, though, not when? If not when it first started? Bro I may am out later. There are yeah, later, but Mike March was that good? I know I under first really take here the earlier yeah, for shame. Yeah, but that's that's what I'm saying, though. It's like is like you had to build it in a certain way and it's kind of Janky, and then like we might get support for it later on in the line and that does actually boost it up to you know, being like a tier one archetype of you're saying, okay, this is maybe falling somewhere, you know, tier two, two, three, but still having a place in the Meta, like there might be some support for it that you know, just can help us along and getting to that consistency status like that we that we crave with the deck like that. So very interesting, very interesting. What a what's your next deck, Riley, that you have been having your eye on, that you really like? That maybe isn't something that's the choice of a lot of top players? Yeah, and looking at the list, I feel like you got the stronger decks of the decks that we have listed out, but mighter, the funner decks. And so the deck that the second deck that I want to talk about was the water and you two deck. So, for the unaware, there is the you too deck that Plays Frost Moth and takes advantage of a lot of the water type gx is. And what I...

...really like about this version of you two, as opposed to welder, will just do things I like about it. One, it plays hard draw supporters as supposed to relying on welder, and I really welder feels so uncomfortable to use right now. I don't know why, maybe it's just the Marni Heavy Meta, but I hate relying on welder as opposed to these really good draw support as welder felt much better comparatively. When the draw supporters are worse. You know, in a pre research, pre Marny era welder felt welder deck felt a lot more comfortable to me or up. So that aside, I like it because it has hard draw and I like it because it has more one hit Ko potential, like sustainable one hit Ko potential. One of the things that's realn frustrating me about playing you too, elder, lately, is how bad the matchup versus at turn it. This is versus someone who knows what they're doing into the matchup. So as long as the turn it is dodges your incident or g x attack and just doesn't hit you without killing you, they can basically guarantee that they win the game most of the time. And that's really, really frustrating as a youtube player to basically they flipped forward to turn this and you and you know if they don't stumble that, you basically have lost right. So that was really frustrating to me. But whereas the the water deck, as opposed to just having one GX attack that takes an OCO and even then the the fire deck actually can't OK and in turn it this with the with the three hundred damage, but the water one it can with blast soy gxs on cap damage. So as long as you find the damage you are or the water energy, you can get there right and there's a lot of cool water attackers. Much honestly, I was looking at the fire attackers, calls attacker pool, and it felt like kind of bad to me, at least relative to what it used to feel like. And I don't think it's because the cards are like worse or it's missing pieces that it had before. I just think the cards now are stronger and have more HP and so it's harder for me to to do it's thing. Sure, absolutely, the water has a lot of cool attackers. You have the star me to accelerate on off turns. You have the blast wish gas, you have the blast ways pick up tag team. It uses frost moth, which is just like sick and of itself. I've tried multiple times and make frost off frostmoth decks work and standard and extended, and so this is like the first one that's like probably the most viable of all of those. Yeah, and I just really like it for for the some of those reasons. It's a fun deck to play. It gets yeah, Okos that it needs to be a viable deck. Yeah, and it's just sick like and it plays hard draws. All everythings together makes it really good. Vulnerabilities kind of lending cells fairly obviously, like if you're taking a big OCO, it's unlikely that you have a lot of energy left on the board. So dection capitalized by like bossing up the the frost moth potentially, and obviously, like some of those, it's up to the player. Other Times like you just have to get rid of all your energy and there's nothing you can do, and so frost moth, you know, sorry, buddy, like you're dead. So it does have holes that you can poke into it. Okay, you know, like you have to potentially play hoods if people are playing mimicy or whatever first. But I think on the whole it's actually like surprisingly decent. I don't know if the engines have got to the point where they're like objectively good yet, but it's decent and I think with enough excavation it could actually find itself like surpassing weld. Me Too. See you don't think that the lists are perfected yet. I mean, our lists ever perfected? I I don't know if we've hit like the perfect engine was kinds of I don't know, man, I feel like there have been, there are been. There our list. That's where like I walk out, arguably, but like, I don't think. I don't think I, like any lists in this matter are perfected yet besides my mad party list. Yeah, I don't know, I don't it's really hard to perfect like that kind of deck where it's a toolbox deck and it plays like a mixture of Pokon, like you know your share stage one support Pokemon, but you're playing a basic attacker and playing all these fanom J xes, like. It's hard to really nail down how it lists like that should look. That means that I think the list that are out there for it or pretty good and I do recommend you try it. Yeah, that's interesting for sure. Well, my my second choice for kind of off the beaten path. I. Yeah, now I'm realizing, like, man, this one is this one's like a probably a tier one deck, but I just have been enjoying I've just been enjoying the lacario Mele medal a lot. Just I don't know, I feel like it's a it's it's the only deck that well, it's one of the few decks that has kind of...

...a different play style from the other top decks in the sense that you're not just trying to do as much damage as you can as quickly as you can, which is, generally speaking, the play of almost every other archetype that you would consider, you know, as a contender. And so Lucaro motal I think, yeah, it's just, I say it's off the beaten path because I just think like not a lot of people play it like. It takes a certain kind of player to have that kind of defensive mentality. But it is this archetype that I've really been enjoying. I really like that it just puts the beat down on a turn. It is, you know, you take a bad match up to fire, of course, but you know, if you don't run into too many baby blow Cephalon or you don't run into too much sent to Scorch, you're probably going to have a good day. And Yeah, I just think that deck is very cool. It's a very again counter play style. Whereas all the other decks want to go fast, Lucaro Momono wants to slow the game down. Yeah, does Senden scorch have a counter or bronze on yet the sender. Oh well, I guess if you're playing the Bronzong version, sure then you can add that for for fire stuff. Yeah, yeah, because of course. But cephalon obviously has the whatever it's called, the Cram, the cramp. I don't often see sentence corch has double. I don't know that I've seen that in sent a scorch, but ye, ever sence scorchual worches play cram ran through double, though maybe that's the personal experience. I don't want to like let my personal experience like Tain't that. But right, every time I play and send it Scorch, they're playing volks and send scorches and that's through right, that's their gig. Yeah, and I mean and that's that kind of has to be the thing for sent to Scorch, just because I you know, you don't want to bog that deck, that deck especially, like you can't really get away with too many auxiliary attackers. You can't really get away from just like making your deck as consistent as possible because again, like we're talking earlier in the in the podcast, like the welder stuff, you just want to make it like very straightforward. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean to be fair, though, I also haven't given send it scorch like much personal time, like I haven't invested time into playing send it scorch myself. So who knows? I mean I have and I've never liked it. I feel like I've voiced that you have a fair amount of times. So, like, please stop. So what else do you like about Lucario no metal? Is it just the the tempo of the deck is what draws you to it? Do you feel like it takes pretty good matchups? Yeah, I mean the matchups are are decent. I mean you got you got good, like you look at the good eternity this match was being the kind of the thing that just kind of yeah, immediately makes the deck biable and then you have pretty much winnable matchups against anything that just, you know, isn't a direct counter like you can't really beat can't really beat things like Decidu ragoons if they can get an obstacle in up. You know, I guess there would be away like with the Brown Zong. You know there you have a chance, but it's like it's just it gets hard. It gets hard and then you know ATP can go a few different ways, depending on how you draw in their early game, but a match is very close, for sure. Yeah, yeah, but I mean it's really great. It's really an interesting deck that I just love. That play style up takes some very reasonable matchups to a lot of things and again, with the right matchups you can go far in a tournament and it's been seeing a lot of success. Yeah, the only thing I don't like about the car EO is how it struggles against the fire decks. And maybe that's just my own luck, but every time I take Lucar on my metal for a spin, I'm playing against up the CEPHALON into a view two, into a little Cephalon, into the kind of score that that is the that is the biggest problem in my opinion of Lakario my metal is that, you know, bliss cephalon is being played a lot, a lot more than I thought it would be at this point in the format. You know, I thought going into this format I thought, you know, Blis ceph alone would have have a seat at the table. Like we didn't. We didn't write it off by any means heading into the format, but it just looking at some of these results from the online tournaments that have been posted on twitter and things like this, just seeing all the bliss cephalon that gets played. I mean, people just love this deck and not only do they love the deck, they're doing very well with it, having, you know, pretty decent matchups against a number of top decks, being able to one shot all the vmax as makes it a great a great consideration for any tournament that you play. Yeah, so, I love able stuff on myself, so I get it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that would be the scariest thing about playing Lucario memtal, but I think a lot of other things you can, you know, work your way around. Yeah, for sure. Any other decks that you want to give a quick shout...

...out to? You don't have to get to and defone a shouty. Yeah, I mean shout out to and Italian, always and always ride or die. I want to shout out toward play this really cool Chinchino mill deck on stream the other day. Obviously we lost our anger, which inhibits the archetype, but he was playing the Rhodo Tiller ex coul drill instead and it actually worked like surprising. The well is like a very reset stamp Jesse James Heavy version. Yeah, and as someone who's much a fan of archetypes like that myself. I want to try that is. That's the one where you that x couldrill you shuffle four back in. Yeah, man's better Recoru it. Yeah, it's insane, I mean on a stage one, but that's pretty cool. Yeah, for sure. I mean it seems like, seems like the format is due for an alternate wind condition deck. I'll say, do you think that? Do you think that that one could be viable or is relegated to kind of a meme, with like ATP still being a major factor? ATP's problematic. For sure, you could probably build it to have a better ATP matchup, but yeah, yeah, ATP, man, I know it's like all the possibilities and then you're like, well, does it beat ATP? No, okay, yeah, maybe shouldn't put them too much more stock. Yeah, we were talking about this before the stream even, and it's like with with dex like these. I think the real problem with ATP, and I don't want to delt too much into this, I don't want to take too much time out the progress stout att again, but I think the real problem with it isn't the fact that ATP takes like blow out matchups against the other top decks. It's the fact that it prevents other texts from potentially thriving. Like if I'm playing x deck and X DEC takes like slightly favorables versus other top decks, relatively even matchups elsewhere, but just hard loses to ATP, which is like a quarter of the Meta, then it's just not a viable deck, you know, like down. So definitely tough. That's definitely tough one. Any other ones, Riley, that you look to just kind of on the fringes of viability or top, top level play here and he decks. You're like in this format. I think that mill deck is like the the main one that I wanted to shout out on the fringe. Yeah, I'm already kind of delving into the pretty far into the fringe on a you know, when I without the mad parties. So, yeah, whom I right anything else, but that rocks. So, J W, you haven't revealed this to me yet, but I wanted to to pose it to you so that I presented to everyone. What is your car to the week for the week? Yes, my card of the week is yeah, we definitely need a jingle, for sure. We Jingle. That would be so cool. We duly cool. My car of the week is I actually just learned about this card, but it is a unique card, Japanese only card. So, you know, it actually kind of piqued my interest because there are a lot of Japanese cards that are Japan print only. Right, like they'll do contests. Yeah, this is a big thing. I mean it, they've they've been fairly consistent, and think of a few times, but particularly in the early, you know few years of Pokemon, where they would hold contests about, you know, send in your drawing and then you'd have this like, you know, extremely hideous snore las drawn by like a four year old that would make its way onto a pokemon card and like that's awesome. But Anyway, so Japanese only card that came out in two thousand and four that is one of a kind, not only because it's a it's a promo card, but it also has a hollow style that we've never seen before, and the hollow style is called lenticular. Went tickular, and lenticular means that it changes the you know, when you change the angle of the card, it'll change the the picture of the things you get from like Burger King. Yeah, exactly, and I had no idea that they made this kind of hollow style onto any card like it makes a lot of sense. And certainly lenticular based products were a big thing, you know, fifteen years ago, right about this card came out, you know, and it's just very cool. So there's this deoxys Promo came out in I think some kind of theme deck in Japan, but it's a lenticular promo and the cool thing about Dioxys, right, is that it has all these different forms.

So that's yeah, so every time you tilt the card it'll show you a different form of the boxes and I just think that that is that's so cool, amazing. Yeah, and I had I saw this card on it was some like Pokemon card twitter thing, like Oh, look at this crazy lenticular pokemon card. No one else, you know. It's never been done since and I just really piqued my interest. So it's an amazing card. It's something that I'm like want to own at some point in the future. Yeah, surprisingly not that expensive, but yeah, it's just really cool that pokemon has a card out like that where you change the angle and it changes the picture on the card. I just never thought that that was a thing. That's actually so cool, ti Oh man, til that's right, man, I'm glad, I I'm glad I made you learn something today. That's exciting. I kind of want that card too. Yeah, well, don't outbid me on Ebay. Is there only one? Talk? No, I don't know. It's just I mean it's hard to get. It's like a not hard to get, but it's like a fifteen year old card, so you're not going to see a ton of them. Yeah, on Ebay, I was looking at some that like we're graded, and I don't think. I'm sure, the pop number is extremely, extremely low on a card like this. You know, in the in the few that I can find are like pretty heavy play and, you know, still still receiving like pretty sizeable asking prices. So yeah, if you're interested in this card, this would be one that I would pick up sooner rather than later. I mean again, it's a one of a kind, Japanese only promo from sixteen years ago, so not a lot out there. Strike it all, the iron thought. May Well strike a while the iron's cool. Maybe while there's well, there's not more demand, not a good time to strike. That's awesome. That is actually that is so cool. If you can't tell this from my flection, I think that's that's really really neat. Yeah, for sure, for sure awesome. Well, thank you, toy. That was does a fantastic card of the week. So now what a great ti. So, just to reiterate for everyone at home, since this is only the second time we've done it and see three a tag team, we're going to be presenting alternating cards of the week. So definitely be on the lookout for this in the midpoint of the episodes if you're curious. What kind of things were looking at. No real theme to him, just really whatever we want. That's right. So let's jump into our next topic here. I want to talk about the the full grip series actually, that you organized alongside Andrew Natalie. So, yeah, this is super exciting. I just signed up for it myself today, but I'd like to kind of give you a chance to platform it and play it. Yeah. Well, I mean at this point there's not a ton left to plug because in the in a matter of about two hours, we sold out of all sixty four slots for the tournament. But we've been seeing a number of tournaments do very well online. I mean they're just like a lot of different places that you can go on any day of the week and play an online tournament, and I just felt like hey, you know, maybe it was time for for full grip to join in on that and, you know, for me to join in on that, like I do enjoy, you know, hosting tournaments and putting those together and just creating, you know, community and creating things that the pokemon community will enjoy, and so that was kind of the the onus behind this. I texted Andrew and I you know, one day I was like, Hey, we should really think about doing something like this, and I think he was really interested because it was something that he could be a part of, but not necessarily run, because he is a little he's a little more excited about in person tournaments and a little less excited about doing online tournaments. So he kind of needed someone to say, Hey, I'll take on, you know, a lot of the you know, organizing and kind of planning for this kind of event and you can kind of take a you know, a side view, like you don't have to be the man on this kind of project, and so I think that was really reassuring to him and also, I think he wants to play too, and this will give them a really great opportunity to play in an event that, you know, is really, you know, low stakes, but also real prizes like that. That's also what separates us, I think, from a lot of the other tournaments. Is, like, you know, sure a lot of people like online packs. They do, you know, and that's that's a great thing and like that's a very worthy prize to give out, especially, you know, on an event that runs during the weekday. But, like, we wanted this to be something...

...where, if you won the event, you know you're getting a booster box, like you're getting something very tangible reward that makes you feel like you got your money's worth, you know, in a big way. Like it makes you feel like you amplified your money's worth, you know, many times over. And not to say that, not to say that you wouldn't feel the same sense of gratitude winning pack. So that's not what I'm saying. But just like there's you know, it's a little bit of a bigger buying and a little bit of a bigger reward. So that is something very cool that we're excited to bring to the community. Yeah, that's awesome. So for those who are unaware, you can definitely check out the full grip series. There's information about it on JW's channel. It'll be streamed on JW's twitch channel, flecks daddy righteous and the vods. Are the full Bod's just going on your youtube? Is that the plan? I don't quite know. We'll see how they turn out. I might have to cut them up just depending on how the quality turns out with the discord. So that is obviously that's going to be a big issue. But potential issue with discord, you know, streaming people's petcgl matches and things like that. I'm sure we'll be able to have enough quality games to put up the on the Youtube. But yeah, of course you can always watch the bods later. Our first tournament is happening in a week from yesterday, my birthday, and so they are going to go. They have already almost sold out. So as far as I know, there's from I don't know, three pm or something in Natalie said they were like for slots left, so that one looks to be pretty much sold out at this point of the recording. And then you can join. We're going to start doing them with a camp and we're going to start doing them bi weekly. Now this could completely change, but you know, if this next one is in a week from now, then you know, you could count on the next, the second event to be three weeks from now. So if you want to get in on that, make sure that you you know, kind of plan ahead very yeah, I know, I know, it's crazy. So but it's great. It's really great to see that the, you know, community wants to an event like this amongst many of the other events, and we're excited to bring something that will be high quality, that will be high player experience. You know, we were they want to take make sure that the players are taking care of in terms of getting an event done in a very, you know, kind of I don't want to say reasonable, but that's he word that's coming to mind, or like, you know, you're going to play, you're going to sit down, you're going to play, you're going to play your you know, three hours or three and a half hours and then you're going to be done and it's not like, you know, you're not dragging on into the night or anything like that. So I really want to keep player experience at the forefront of this event and I think it'll be a really great production and something that we can build on in the future. Awesome. Yeah, yeah, and shout out the full grip as always. Well, honestly, shout out to Natalie. She has been amazing on the on the back end. She's doing all the work that, like, you don't see. Like I'll probably be doing a lot of the production the day of and certainly helping with, you know, getting people organized, but she's doing a lot of stuff with the you know, with the Organization of the tournament, taking people's, you know, entry fees and and working on the discord and make sure everyone's signed up, and she just has a real knack for doing that and she does a very well and she's dealing with you know, a lot of a lot of people are in now and and she's doing a very great job. So, yeah, shoutouts to her for them. Natalie is definitely the best, no doubt in my mind. They're go down. So I do recommend that you all continue to check this out and if you haven't signed up for this week, be sure to check it out on the channel as it goes live and if that seems to interest you. It seems like a cool thing that you want to be a part of. Sign up for the next one. Absolutely so. Cannot recommend it enough. I think it's going to be a ton of fun, cool. I'm happy you're playing in it, Riley. Yeah, it was a is a tough sell man. I would never want to participate in in your event, of all events. That's true. That's true. Yeah, you Sleeza Ball, for sure right now. Yeah, no, I kind of suck somethings. Yeah, for sure, but it was your birthday yesterday, so you and I like of the week anniversary of your birthday, I thought it was only appropriate that I play in your bed week, Bro. But a mean week? You mean month, the month of September. Well, no, the week anniversary of your birthday is the event. Yeah, oh, that's true. That's true. That's true. Yeah, that's true. So that's that's a pretty big day on my calendar. Got To make sure to do something special for that. Now you're getting yeah, it's...

...the it's the corridor of JW's birthdays. Well, good stuff. Well, let's let's open up the floor to any questions that our viewers have. We have one here that is not so much a question as a very nice statement saying Riley and JW looking fresh with the new hairstyle. Now I don't know that I have a new hairstyle and I don't know that you have kind of styled your hair in a different way, different I feel like it's been the same for us. Oh, it's not as it's not as big. That's it's kind of more coincidence where they think, yeah, it's it's a little, it's a little more kind of it's less boy band and more emo. Very cool, very cool. Yeah, I feel like they an occupy a similar space. Well, you are wearing a nice little sweaty and nice little sweaty. Yeah, I'm wrapping the the Teddy Fresh Spongebob Merch. Yeah, it's very cool. I know you're really hype about that. When it when it was released, I was yeah, it's so good it. Yeah, looks Nice. Looks Nice, it's so comfy. The only it's just too warm. That's the only thing. We should too warm. That's not really complaint, but like it's like still it's still warm enough outside and yeah, that having a really comfortable warm sweatshirt on is like a little too much. Yeah, it is. It definitely is. Like it was eighty eight today. Well, I mean it was like a little. It was in the S. Wisconsin today it's very rainy. It was in the S, I think, like the whole day. Or Wow, it is raining all day. So you're so lucky, dude. Is that lucky? Yeah, I love I love that weather. Maybe I'll just come up there and and work for epic. Maybe I got a position at the food court. Probably, but well, we'll mopen together. That sounds great. That does so would be fun. Get the Streamer House. That would be kind of interesting. Yeah, that would be kind of interest. We have something like Pokmon all you'd play this mad party, though I'd be so bory, so sick, but I would just play. I just play ATPN, your mad party and now either party where is? Oh yeah, that'd be epic. I'd be so happy. Okay, let's get the actual questions thought. So we have another one here that says, what do you guys think of the new Zarrud a V haven't asking the question. Possibly the savior of grass types. So the news rude. Oh, you know what it does, right, Riley, I don't jungle rise. So jungle rise for a couple grass energy says. You may attached to basic energy guards from your hand to your bench pokemon in any way that you like and he'll all damage from those pokemon. So very reminiscent to what card Riley. It's like selivy mixed with subtile and it's it is. Yes, I was just going to say Scottile. So very interesting little card here. That about to know. What are your I guess if you've never seen the card. What are someone Chas questions? Two hundred and ten, I wle know, not viable. It hits for the resistance into the dog card and the dog card knocks it out. Actually, yeah, that's true. Yeah, Dang old dog card bro Ruining everything. The dog card. Man, I wanted to call out magic harp sixty two. Is Problem, referencing ATP and how it's affecting the metagame, says. Wasn't this the problem people had when trying to deck build when Buzz Rock was so dominant? Or not on the same scale? Think it depends on the period. I would say not in the same scale. I will like the thing with Buzz Rock was like people, people could respect it, but like actively, I feel like chose not to and a lot of ways, like if you were playing, if you're playing as or arc deck and you weren't playing a mew, I don't know what you were doing. Well, even beyond that, I was like there are things you could do to make your deck better versus Buzz Rock, but like there's not a lot you can do to make your deck better versus ATP, like it either can yeah, I needn't hangers. Can't so write. I think, fundamentally right, not the same problem. Yeah, I know, it's just inherent right in the card or in the deck itself, whether or not a can, you know, beat that archetype, whereas maybe it wasn't so much in the past where you could, yeah, again, add those texts or build your deck and which way to be able to beat Buzz Rock. I never felt that. Maybe that's just me because I didn't play a ton of Buzz Rock. I was guess I was either like being a contrarian or I just didn't test that well with...

...it. But I never really felt like I I never really felt like it was that dominant presence, being on the outside looking win, like I never really I never really felt like it was that dominant presence it definitely was. I'd actually I tested so much buzzed rock but always ended up playing zoar. It was actually insane. Yeah, yeah, I think the only real tournament I played buzz are for was world, but I consistently tested it before every tournament and it was always good. I just feltways end up playing something else. Right, I don't know, probably just ma masochism murder, that's funny. and Mass Dave if our last question the day asked do you think Salmon's v Max is any viability in this format at all and trying go with Vika Bolt to soft enough dude's while building up of emacs and it kind of works. Thoughts? And Salmon's Salmons? I really don't have a ton of thoughts. They've it sounds like an interesting list that you're playing them. The vehicle does not something I've seen in Salimons and I generally would shy away from a Salamons that plays electric just because you're going to have a hard time chaining your triple ex cells. But I can see where you're going with that, kind of making that up by giving yourself more turns, presumably by playing the vehicle bolt. So it seems like you have a good concept there, and I'd be curious to see kind of what what a list like that would look like in some gameplay with it to really give a valid assessment. Yeah, I do. I do actually like the idea of using vehiclele to like fix the math while also giving you, hopefully, turns. Yeah, yeah, it's I it's hard to guarantee that that would like, practically work, but it's super cool, absolutely awesome. So, if you take away anything from the pod today, it's that mad party is busted. ATP is garbage, and so you should play one of those two decks, and that one being the bad party deck. Would you have you? I agreed, dude, I agree, and you, Josh, you should also get your hands on the lenticular Deoxis. That's so true. I think if everybody swapped their ATP DECK FOR A bad party deck, the world would be a better place. What if we just made that packed as a community? Yeah, as a community is like if you ever find yourself wanting to play ATP, you know just like say no, just say hey, you know what, I'm going to go with mad party instead. Maybe make the game a little bit more fun, like we're kind of instead of the ban ATP movement. What if we just it's like not a it's not a call and on anti ATP OR FRO bad party. Yeah, yeah, right, there we go right. Or it's not a call to the to the higher ups, like we need to take a stand here and now and just not play ATP. So maybe we should. You know, if you see anyone playing ATP, you know, just maybe tell him to stop, like they don't need that, and get them help. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just ask if they're okay. Yeah, and see what you do to make their check in on people's mental health. It's on us. It's it's actually all on us. What poke I should actually do is they should print a synasty with mad party and then it'll all come together. That would that would get me pretty pogged. would be so pun I would give me pretty pogged. Cool. Well, thank you so much for your continue to support. I make sure, if you're listening on your podcasting platforms, to rate interview. The support really helps us out and gets this boosted up so more people can discover the content and we can keep pumping out more great stuff for you, guys, and we will catch you all next week piece. See You.

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