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Tag Team Pokemon TCG Podcast

Season 3, Episode 21 · 10 months ago

3-21. Player's Cup the Third

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The boys are here and geared up for Player's Cup III, a Vivid Voltage standard qualifier even. Check out the latest tips and tricks for surviving and the top decks in the meta!

Yo, what is up guys welcome back to tagteam, the POKMON Trading Card Games Premiere podcasting duo. My name isRaley Holbert joined, as always by my good good, good friend, dw Creewall, MrCrewall, how you doing today. I got three goods today. That's Nice Yeah!Well, I ely definitely lifted my spirits for II have been getting blasted by my homework. You know I'm doing thiscoding thing and I was just telling you before the cast just like looking at acomputer screen for doing work for twelve hours, andthen I did a little bit of tutoring for another hour and yeah, I'm fried my braind is fried. I'mlike working through these problem sets at like a snails pace. ONOITS, IT'SABSURD! It's absurd how slowly some of these some of these problems are going,but it's just about understanding the material I feel like I clicked somewhere around seven, where I waslike, Oh that what they meant. Hopefully I canhopefully, I can parlethat into you know a little bit more success over the next few days, butit's been tough and that's why I haven't been putting Ou. A lot of youknow, content on no youtube videos this week. So it's been, you know it's been taken up all Ofer mybrainpower. So do you feel like you're? You know you're taking it in thatyou're you'R learning. Well, I definitely do it's just it's coming slower to me thanmy peers, so I have to like keep reminding my well. I think there aresome of the some of the people in my class Ar have like taken coding beforeor have at least you know been been involved in the world, for you know an extended period of time afew years, maybe not on a professional level, but at least onm like a hobbyistlevel, yeah. So yeah I just hade to keep rermindingmyself like okay, you know, there's probably going to be something that Ican conceptualize, maybe a little bit better than they can in the future orif that's not the case like Yoa, I'm doing the best that I can and I amseeing progress so yeah. Absolutely you know it should it should comeeventually. So how have you been? Riley? I've been wile. It's been another busyweek, O of Workng here on my end as well, but you know I kind of hit my stride lately.So I'm feeling pretty good also in the depths of a book right now.So I'm trying this year to read a book every month is one of my resolutions.So I started last weekend. I'm almost done.What's the Lok, it's called the way of kings. It's VI: BraninSanderson. My wife enjoys that series yeah. So it's super good. My friendrecommended it to me a thousand page tome. I started it lastweekend and I'm seven hundred pages in now at this point, so almost there probably Gointa be donethis weekend. Okay, okay, I'm excited that. SHEU said that she would be veryhappy yeah. I read the missborn series last year. That was really good. Theauthor is really good at creating these like fantasy Sifi worlds, so sure Ireally enjoy it yeah tit's cool, but speaking of fantasy worlds. We haveour own that we like to enjoy an thit's the world of poking on for the uninformed. The players cop isjust on the horizon. The qualification period for Players Cup three in case is what later this week right,yeah, I'm pretty sure it starts on Friday right at the twenty. Fourth, I thought, butmaybe no WLL. The twenty fourth isn't make sure that I'll do the researchIldte, research, okay, yeah, the twent Faris like the Sunday, whichis the start of a week but regardless the the key, though, is the colficageeperiod is going to last for a month here and the the way that you qualifyis that you use you try to make keys and special TCGO events, so you havefifty tournament keys to work with and depending on your policement. In a bestof best of one, eight man, pod you'll, get certain amount of points, so you'llget and points for a first eight points. Or Am I messing that up? Is it five?It's five, it's five, three yeah five for first three for a second and onefor a top four and then zero. If you just lose so ight, I mean that's what it and justjust to clarify. It is January, t six, okay, so ' Bo Getron, Pacific, so yeahlittle little less than a week, and so yeah we're just we're just gettingready we're here to help you guys out, try to make some deck decisions and...

...just get you in the right mindset forthe Players Cup. Absolutely absolutely so JV and I were talking for the cast,be compiled a list of six of what we considered to be that top decks in themetagame right now. Hopefully, there aren't too many surprises in terms ofthe decks themselves. You wanted to outline at Jo some of our thoughts oneach of these decks individually, some pros of plane deck, some cons, maybeyou' playing the deck thoughts about builds, and this list is mostly ordered. I think you can prettyeasily argue for like some of the individual placements, but generally aswe go down, we consider it to be a better deck than the ones preceding it. So we'll start with number six here andthat's going to be Blosse vmax Lasso. Everyone was excited for this cardreally made wavs in Japan on Uilizing my cargo, which, unfortunately, it'srotat here in the states, what still a pretty effective deck ataccellars to itself, which is obviously a boon and a cvery energy denial heavymetagame, and it hits for that fighting type weakness which is ever useful,especially when you consider some decks that we have later on in our list heretoday, though, JW runus through some of your preliminary thoughts on colossal,like a Lotso kind of slots in it that fighting just fighting type deck, youknow colossal on Exca Drillar, probably the two that best exemplified that inthis format, but colossal. Just having that mass of HP, the tank ability andthen being able to really effectively run things like crushing ammer, to tryto give a little bit and Mallowan Lana for that matter, to try to give thedeck a little bit more longevity as well. I think it's well poise right now, Y, look at the good matchups, you knowbeing things like pigaram things like a turnitis, although it can get, you know,you can obviously lose those matchups, but certainly in your favor, but Ithink it's well poised considering the field yeah, so, let's run through then thepros of playing colossal. If you were playing what is a motivating factorthan to playing Colossa, I think the most obvious one off rip is that ithits Pekram and attornithis for weakness, especially getting that cleanOCO on pgrom is really valuable. What's another reason you might pick upcolossal is oppose to one of these other decks. reasony might pick up colossal. I thinkit's just the weakness factor unless you're thinking about something elsethat I can't quite put my finger on. It's the weakness factor there for me.That's going to be the main reason if you keep ceing up into the pekrams andthe Atternitisso, which you probably will you colossal is ABS, obviously adeck that you should consider for players, com, three and then the problem I think with colossal- is that you know you do hit things likePekaron for weakness, but t e problem. There is just that you know now a lotof these pekeramdecks that have been performing well, a running Meu to whichgives them an out to you know, surviving those.Those whate otherwise would be one shots yeah, and we have seen somecolossal build show up with, like double mimic ou in some cases to tryand mitigate that right. So right and toy honest Aing, I think that's apretty effective solution to the moutube problem. F, you're able to getthose rolling yeah so yeah. I agree with you. I thinkcolossal ges, pretty solid, matchups, agans, pgrom and Atternitis, which, ifyou woiler alert if you haven't, listened to cast before Peter Omasturnes, are going to be the one and two spots on this list. So that's really valuable trait. In ofitself, I think lossal struggles most against the lower decks on this list.To Be Honest D, I think some of his worst matchups in the metagame arethese like lower decks on the list. Here you know, Tecaro memetal is agreat example of a deck that colossal really really struggles against anddoesn't really have an out to. You know: Senny scorchis historicAleving, a tough matchup for a colossal, because the constant damage ramping with similar levels of tankiness,though you know, there's definitely some downsizes to playing colossalthere. But it is a solid pick, especially you know it's pretty easy torun into some of these tournaments and you know there's like three pekramsthere. You know you play around one to and three play all Peron. I'M H samething for LEK ATURNIT IS I've? Had that happen all the time in Players Cup toand I feel like those decxs were less popular and players Kep to than theyare now so sure. You know, tat really can't be understanded. How good thatweakness factor is- and I think Colossa also is pretty decent, especially ifyou run like healing bilds against random nich decks that maybe try tolike to hit Kou and stuff like that. I'm class really can pray on those yeah.Absolutely what agree! Let's jump down to our next teck on thelist then, and favorite a deck that jwni have beenless fond of that's going to be Cennye Corch, the ire centifheed therw runsthrough some of the high level thoughts on sent scorce yeah, Sadit scorce.

Let's see a reason why you would wantto play Senna scorch. Is I think? U You value, having really a shot at beating anything likeyou. Don't you don't have too many auto losses that I would say in the formatyou know save for the random waterdeck here and there, but you're generallygoing to give yourself a chance to win just about anything, and I willgive it to Cento scorch. You do have a pretty favorable ADP matchup, just frommy testing, what I've seen from tournaments, what I've seen otherplayers talk about. It's it's a generally favorable matchup, and sowith that you know also, if you're expecting a lot of Ashan ATP, which Imust say was one of the decks like I saw this poll I think I was on on verbank or something, but somebodyposted a pole, and it was like okay. What deck are you just going to grindthe players Cope threugh with and the the favorite was ATP. So, if you'rethinking that there's going to be a lot of ATPNYOU want to make sure that youtake a positive match, offor Agueist that deck, then I think, send O scorchsthe way to go yeah, and I think some other aspects ofany sparch I think are worth calling out. Is the deck snowballs really hard?It's kind of like NB, where, if yeah get to lead it pretty much stranglesyou out of the game, obviously accelerating to itself is ahuge factor into that and continue in Yo do more damage return, yeah you'regenerally like pretty pretty even to favorit against a lot of decks. Youdefinitely do have some issues. Decision IGUINS can be problematic andmost most specifically eternitiss can be a pretty tough matchup pekrom. I'venever felt as being super favorable, but I think a good sent o scorch playercan play their way around dekram situations and yeah. I just lookat the only really negative, truly like unfavorable matchup for Atturnius.Excuse me as Fersen scorch was being internities yeah. When I think of SennyScorch, I don't think of it, having like two overwhelming, besides, likestrawing hose metal having to overelming matchups in either direction,but I see it having chances to completely destroy individual games orcompletely get destroyed individual games at the same time and let's go toTe Conetar scorge I like sendy sporch is cold because the welderdeck it runsreally cold and that's just that's been a consistent law of Walterdeck becausethe nature of welder, where it's excelled, it's Energy Excel and yourdraw. So if you miss it, then you lose like your whole deck. So so you canyeah you, so you can win any matchup. You know you just you, take those evenmatchups Eror, just d generally even matchup spreads but, like you said, it's going to be a deck where it's kindof live and die byh te welder, which I generally tend to stay away from yeahand to be fair. I think this is a fair point. I see people making it on socialmedia about Houetinnis Scorch, you know, isn't completely run high like it's,not it's not like welderzard from shirt from over a year ago, when youwould just hit water. Every single torney need to do that to keep out withyour energy, so you know send I scorch, you know it can afford to wive here andthere. You know, by virtue of its attack andmy virtue of just like not necessarily needing to Oo OCO, every single timelike sometimes you are going to to Ako regardless, so it doesn't really matterright and in those- and I do think that's a valid point, but I still thinkregardless, like Walderdex, are going to have that kind of run, Hott or coldnature to them just how the card works yeah. Definitely so that's like kind ofa Roanicon, I guess O Ceni Scorchis. It has that even matchup spread, but itcomes at at the cost of having like these blow games and these reallydisappointing games yeah, definitely, and that I mean that might factor inyou know I don't want to be too speculative about it, but yeah. You know I can just imagine likegoing in with send a Scorch, and then I have you know a great game, and then Ifollow that up with, like a horrible game that I know I should have won, butI missed you know I missed a welder or I missed.You know that crucial that cucial card that sometimes I feel like Sento scorch-does more frequently than other decks, and I just eah. I don't know themindset that I would be in after after that. I don't know yeah I mean the mental isa mentals avallo factor for sure all right. I also want to talk. Sennascorches have a lot of different variation and how the deckh has beenbuilt over the last. You know six months here, true sure and yeah. Wedefinitely seem kind of a Strait Sena scorch build and now padro popularizing, the CENTOF Scorchwas sill valley, so yeah I'll turn that question to you Raley. What do youthink if you were to play, send a scorch? What would you go with the thestraightforward version, or would you at Inisavalle line yeah, I'm kind of onthe fence about it? I think the Savalli Line just adds so much clunk to the deck like there'sjust so much going on at that point, but I can't deny like the extraconsistency the Sivily provides in a deck like Seno. Scorch is good once you get Alik, it's maybe someclunk in the early game and maybe some...

...consistency towards the lake right. Andso I guess it depends what you're trying to do with your senny scorchdeck. When I think of Sanny scorch versus ATP, for example, you're, notsuper worried about being disrupted. You just want to get going as fast aspossible. So if you're, just pitting a lot of ATP, like maybe Savalle, isn'tthe tech for you, but at the same time like against Pikeron, their mainstrategy against Sendu corgees to stamp them to low and Savallei completelynullifies that, obviously, unless they're able to gust it up and Kao atthe same term, but then your Sendi scorch has not been hit. So it's alsoserved ats purpose. So I think against Pikrom, it's a much better option thanagainst like ADP, so it really comes down to if you'retrying to get out as fast as possible out of the gates or, if you're, tryingto play the Lon game. Sure. Absolutely and honestly, I don't think I can makethat choice for everyone. You know it and- and I feel like theMeta on these, like tournaments kind of depends on the individual days, evenlike there're, some days where, just like some decxs Ar really popular andso base. Other DECS are popular yeah and that's that's a lot of the problem.Well, I wouldn't say the problem, but it makes it hard to predict, especiallyin these aght man tournaments. Where you have, you know, somewhere between ten and fifteen honestly like trulyviable dex, that could you know, win an any given eight man a little bit ofluck. So it's just you know it does come down to a lot of personalpreference like you're saying but trying to make those informed decisionstrying to maximize like how how your deck would perform in youknow a tournament setting and just taking, like the slivers of you, know, on the margins trying to winon the margin. So if you're saying okay well, generally speaking, if I thinkthat I'm going to play some Meta game, that involves a lot of Pekram and you know M, my deck gives me a you knowfive or ten percent chance better O my Bild gives me a five or tenpercent better chance against Pikaram, like maybe I should choose that, eventhough you know, maybe you get smoked by everything: That's not Pekeram overand over. It's tough right again, because these tournaments are just solocalized. That's said. I think I would. I think I would startoff with this valley build and if it like Os, really starting to disappointme, I would switch just to mix it up. But I, like I like the theory of havingthe option of it, so I at least want to give it a fair shake show about youg oryou have a strunk feelings on way or the other yeah. No, not not too much I mean Senna.Scorch is not addict that I would even consider picking up not hat. That's not like a knock onanyone that does play it because it has. It seems to have these genaelly likefavorable, win percentages and all the tournaments that I look at, but it's still again just not quite thedeck for me, and I know that there are some strong, strong, ardent supportersof Teoscorti sure have to SA. You guys is going confident you do you, let'smove on to our number four deck and that's Licario mail metal. So this deck has kind of fallen off and then comeback, and you know- and it's seen some some pretty good success recently interms of just the number of people that play it. And so what are your thoughtson Lacario Mel Metal? We talked about Lucario mail metal, a lot for PlayersCup to, I think, generally our thoughts on how good it has becomer howits positione in the Minigan have generally shifted towards, maybe not inas as good of a position again with the rise of CENISCORCH. That's just almostan unwinnable match of, especially if they play Guaritina, so kind of talk methrough Zash and Luke metal and what has changed from Players Cup to to know yeah. Obviously, Senis corch is goingto be the biggest inhibitory factor for Luke metal. I think te Carimon metaltakes a really close ATP match up a pretty closepeaker on matchop and thenjust destroys a turn o the sinclossal nine Ond of ten times colossal,especially internitivs, if their poison build, can put up a fight, but usuallythat fight will end in Luke Metal Savor, not always, but usually so when I think of Lukemell, thebiggest pro for me is tash is overwhelmingly good matchups were ithas good matchups, I m, you know you can play into like a Zagoon base toturnhis deck or a colossal deck, and even like, in some cases likeagainst poor peekeron players, iget into Pegeram DECS, and you just feel sogood d. it's you just coast and yeah, honestly and kind of a game ofendurance like the Players Cup, where you're going through all thsetournaments. It's pretty valuable. You know being able to ustco up hit theatternitis that doesn't play poison and just win by laying down that ZAMACENTA. That'sRidti, Nice! You know it's nice to get the breezher. It's nice to you knowjust get the Nice Dub. You know...

...guarantee points on the board. So that's, I think, a really positiveelement to it. It also just generally, it leads intothe disruptive like slow and steady place. thow really well, it's one ofthe best users of Zaushians and trapstortability in the game, and it still has a fighting chanceagainst Sena Corcivit doesn't play the Guiuritina, it's not great, but youstill have a chance, which is something you couldn't really say before. So that's nice sure yeah, absolutelyyeah. I think you make a good point there when you say that you know, Zamazent is as close to anAtto win card just by itself, as I think we have in this format and so, like you said, being able to play intothat aturnatis build. That is just a straight to turn. o Jis Build and yeahyou get that Zamazentand. Maybe you get a gx attack and maybe you get the thetool down. Yeah is not going down right. T's Gointo be very hard for thatatterniis player to win that match so yeah. Definitely something Tha!Consider when you think about how popular and how well attornitist hasbeen doing recently, yeah honestly the the problems that sogoing to the cons I have with Luke metal. Obviously this kinstarch matchesis rough. We don't need to harp on that. The games that aren't auto wins tend tobe very grindy, so it's almost like you get, I don't want to say an equivlentexchange, but you do get your payoff for having these auto wins. Where youhave these games that last a long time and kind of wear on you, you know:you'll have pretty long play sessions when you go into tournaments with loopemetal compared to like eternitis or Pekarom or you're, going to be blazingthrough t teep as well, and the ATT matchup is kind of can really go either way, but it'spretty close and it's kind of an uncomfortable, close match up, becauseit AP plays enough outs to like your tools. Then it gets pretty bad prettyfast. So I hate having like a super tightatpmatchup, especially like if ATP is going to be one of the more populardecks yeah, especially when you're, also havinglike these relatively grindy games and so o other matchups that are taking awhile sure sure yeah. It's definitely one for the endurance players,certainly a deck that I could never recommend to somebody that you knowhasn't kept up in their practice. Ou. I think there are some decks that lettingthemselves to maybe a more novice player or maybe a less kind ofplayer that doesn't have a lot of time on their hands right and they stillwant to get their keys used up, and so I wouldn't for thatplayer that just has limited timeors. Maybe somebody that doesn't playpokemon too often couldn't really recommend. Look Metal, yeah, that's air point as well Di. You haveany other thoughts on Lukmenno, I kind of rambled for a bit there. I thinkit's a great deck. I think there are a few things that you cald consider oneof the biggest is just: Do you play crushing hammer or not? I don't thinkthe deck needs it, but I don't think the Dhet you know hates having it. It'sobviously trying to go for this kind of energy denial strategy with you know alittle bit of the Zamazenta right you can. You can again special energyremove some of that with some, but then the Lacario Mel Metal Gx tax up hammers.I think sloden very nicely, although I don't necessarily think you needed- andI actually think one of the biggest one of the biggest downfalls of Lucariomementol is just that consistency. They ar a can be right because you'renot playing to Denni, generally speaking, you're, not playing Crobat,generally speaking, because you want to keep your pokemons hp just as high aspossible force your oponent to just do as much damage. You know just to try tofinegl your way to go win, and so, since you're not playing those othercards, those consistency cards. You know you really had to rely on theintrepid sword and so yeah just adding in things likecrushing Cameri. I think I would generally tend to try to add in moreconsistency, as opposed to the crushing hammers me too so awesome, so, let'sjump down to our next sashian based deck and that's going to be EDP,Zoshian the monster of the metagame. What what hasn't been said about ATSASHIAN WW do yo want to run us through some ofthe the pros of playing ATP. Well you're, going to know prettyquickly whether or not you win. So if I'm playing ATP for the players,scup, I'm trying to maximize turn one potential you knowyou're not playing for thelaygame, you know, don't bother with Weeosad Stamps S. I would almost argue,maybe not even bother that much with Marny just kind of gear, the deck towards theturno one. You know I would look into kind of earlier...

...in the format builds of ATP where theywere just kind of four energy switch. You know three waters, maybe evenvridian forest just to maximize the chances of getting the energy in thehand, turn one and really just go hard yeah. That would bemy recomme recommendation for that deck. ATPS poaly the best tet just to slamthrough your tickets with or your keys with, because you prettymuch know how the game's going to go really fast, yeah and even like thegrindiest game, an ATPL have will be like six parents, so I've been thinkingabout playing ATP with with like a second mawhile and surprise box. I don't know if you've seen that sosurprise by Nonoyeah exain yeah, so it allows you to put a Pokmon card fromyour opponent's discard pile into their hands. So that can be anything be anitem. You know it's most likely. You've seen it used with the GANGARN MIMIC UGX,but it could put you know a dedene back from your poents discard into theirhand. I just thought that would be hilarious if you didn't even have theUSASHIAN right, so you could just like Gusto Dennay. You know, maybe you playa surprise box to to Mawhile, and then you could justplay a more like ATP focused ATP Bild Right, so you wouldn't even hade theaccelerate Osassion, so you could just Gusse up the dedenne twice the same oneanfor you iy probably make your pat it really mad, because you know theyplayed so well right where they put the they put the Dedenne in the discardpile, and you know, there's no way you could. You could win now because theyhave their vmax active and it's healthy, and then you just go surprise box,mallwhile, the second mallwhile and then body im with a gust. I don't know,I don't know about that, but that sounds pretty funny the good youtubeor. NOTHING ELSE!That's right! Well, you know me always thinking about my next video yeah. I mean that is the strength of ATP, thoughright is putting on this port Pokemond, making them give up. Half YourPrizepooll, you know, really is rough for, forthese two and three price decks to play against ATP, especially so what are the Consthet of playing EP?In my mind, the biggest cin is, is almost the same as it's pro where ifyou have a bad start, then it's really really hard to come back from thereyeah. Unless your oponic stack is just equally slow and like gives you thatopportunity to alter creation anyway, yeah it can be one of the decks mostsusceptible to crushing Hammer, and I would say that there's like two points. Two pressure points to pressure turnswith ADP that you're just like really hoping they don't get a hammer orhonestly just get a knockout right. So you have that first turn where you know you're trying to just attachyour first energy of the game, and so if they hit a crushing hammer well,then it becomes much harder, because now you need a two card Cambo in saucerand energy switch to get. You know that energy that you lost onto your ATP andthen the other pressure point is right. After yougx and you, you know, aretrying to get the attack off, and so that can be really difficult if theyhit hammered there, and so I don't know- maybe maybe it's the it's the one deck.That's that's among these toptics. That's the mostaffected by crushing hammer and so yeah you just just again. Anothermindset thing if you're going in with ADP just you can't be can't get toosalty when the the hammer flips don't go your way yeah. I agree so I mean I think at thispoint, we're probably not going to sell you honor off ATP. You know it's. It'sreally strong dacket prays on support. fock come on. It gets games done quick,so I personally wouldn't play ATP for many of my keys because I feel like theGames are somewhat out of my control when I play DP, but it's a great DAC toreally get through those keys quickly, especially if you're on a time crunchyeap. Definitely, let's jump down to our next deck then,and this is where it gets the most contested on the tag team podcast andat is Peekrom, so pekrom, the the lightning rats, the staple of thisQormat, really we've raved out pepound for a while. SoI don't think we need to sing its praises, a lot of benefits with the resisnantparalyze. All of that yeah, the any other like more niche pros to playingPoperon mornage pros I mean it is just a really consistentDecka. I like the fact that it's another deck that you you knowmaybe want to choose to go second with, so there are a few decks other decksout there. That also would want to go choose to go second, but you can alsowork your way out of going first. So I think that's another thing like it was sent to Scdiscourge Yoot. Youreally do want to go second, every...

...single game, but with a deck likePkaram, you can work your way out of going first going. Second, I giveyourself a lot of options, there's certainly more more thinking with the deck than Ithink people give it credit for because there are just these marginal plays.That can help you later on in the game, whether or not to you know, discard certain cards or keepcertain cards or play Marni or play research. In that turn, I mean there'rejust a few kind of marginal decisions that can that can really swing the match. You know in Hyour, Indo orout of your favorte by a few. You know percentage point, so I think it doesn'tget quite enough credit for being. You know it's one of the harderdacktsplay and I don't think it gets nough credit for sure for sure. I think interms of cons, then Ekram has a big target on its back. So a lot there'llbe a lot of nich decks that maybe aren't on this list that will build tobeat Pikaram or have good matchups against tiperom. I also think ECROM if it's another deck,where, if you get a really slow start, it struggles to come back from that kind of not as mucth bad as ATP, but Imean ow compared to deck like Lukemetal, I think, is the best example where itcan start off a little slow and come back. Fine iternities can also startoff with like a couple like kind of weaker power. Excel turns and stillcome back. Igram doesn't really have that. In myopinion, Espe like, if you price a cocoa and they flip a hammerheads, then you like be in a pretty rough spot.Pretty Fast Yeah, that's at Pike Ram is probably the bestuser crushing hammer it's the best user reset stamp as well. In terms of thesetop decks, though, an those are both like exceptionally good cards right now,so yeah definitely sher es some ficture on Amethe Nice thing about the crushammers that you just pegeram has the consistency options that some of these other decxs don't haveand in the form of just being able to draw a significant portion of the deckwithout needing to to utilize a draws sporter. And so youjust have these consistency options to be able to play, crushing Hamer alot more easily, so ca reason Saforti, the is his p Gram, has the most pokemon searchof all the decks right now, the most accessible pokmon search so yeah, theclick balls and the e radars, which really let you get all the POK Mon. Youneed draw your sport poke on as well as your main attackers very quickly and that really can't be understadright now. Most exs are really the only consistent search they have asquickball D, then they're, also working off like great balls and coms or t the Groun does not that Prolm atall sure Yep, so good. What's a is enough on Pikeram,we have ohav on more peope on Pection, for you actually in terms of builds. What PM kind ofbuild? Are you feeling do you like heavy bolt on? Do you like having me tosomewhat something between yea? I mean I like an elevated CCOUNT, able timelike if I'm being asked to you know, play two or three like I'm going togenerally try to fit in more. I just value that Pokmon as that support thatset up and then also in the Laye game there just times with your bench whereit gets a little too full and I find myself discarding boll tons, but thenI'll want a bot one in the end of the game. You know it's just like it needs.It has its right times right. It's never that good in the Midgame, butit's always pretty good. I mean you want it in the in the early game andthen you generally want it in the light game. So I don't ever find that havingfewer ball times like I'd, rather have that elevated account in terms of MOUto I like me to as well, given you an option to go up against the colossalsof the world, the excadrils of the world and alsoslightly get against EDP yeah. True True, I was just going to say that, andit can make for some pretty fun mirror matches to for sure. So there you go. We endorse both you toand I both don' account yeah, definitely so last, but certainlynot least on our list is another Dack we've been singing the preges of, andthat is eternitiss w us the scoop on anturn of this well Turni. This is thekind of Zeck that I just I' love it. I love it. I lovethat it's it's straightforward. It hits for highdamage and it can really control the opponent's board. If you get set up, you know quickly enough. It's lowmaintenance. Generally speaking generally it hammer proof, you know youhave that...

...that first attack on the eternitis tobe able to accelerate some energy. So I like it a lot. It's the like, I said,the most low maintenance, Dick that we have right now for sure I don't know if I necessarilyagree with it being hammer proof, I think n terms of struggles withHammeris pretty hard, but well really I don't know I don't likethere are ways around it. I guess is all I mean to say: Yeah I mean you candefinitely play into it, but you know they hit like a second hammer heads andit feels really awful sure at a cervh point. You have to stop power o true true, so you know, I think, in terms ofEturnthis. It moves really fast in terms of like damage output. It canpretty consistently get twod. Seventy plus, on the second turn, you know, you're, looking at just afairly low maintenance tack, like you get out your two energies and you startswinging, you have the Fort Crobat to frour consistency. You can play apretty wide ray of builds as well, so it turns to the deckin kind of Sculpeto your liking. Yeah. In my mind, O kon is the hammerweakness because, really, once you get out of the early game and poweraccelerating you are after the onears, you return as opposed to some these other decks onthe list which have other forms of acceleration. In fact, I think actually,every single one of the other decks in this list has some sort of acceleration.Besides, it turns is in when it's not pawor, acelerating, sure yeah, yeah yeah right and that's that'sH. I mean you know hammers. I say that that it's hamber proof but yeah. Youbring up a good point where in La game, if, if the hammers have been saved andthey're able to hit one two three, you know at the most inopportune times itcan really make for some difficult, difficult, end games. But I think thatis just generally. You know kind of crossed out by just how how goodatturniis can be against Pikaron against Ashian. I look at those twomatchups ist being particularly favorable and then just against therandom stuff. Like last Players Cup, I played CHARSR Vmax a couple of times. Iplayed you know a couple of Mutus I played. I don't know like some realaboom decks like just againstthose random kind of gbig attackers, you're going to thrive, yeah and that'swhat I was going to say is Attornis rives the more prizes your opponentsspok about gives up, because thit can probably Cao it yeah. So Rg three, I think atturnestsis the best against three prize kind of decks like decks, that use tag, teamsheavily or or vmaxes, and then it's pretty goodagainst torprize decks, because it can kind of just knock all those out andusually get to Hokot in return, and then it struggles the most against oneprize Dack, which really we haven't seen a lot of lately. So you know. Maybe this is the time forone PISDEX TO RISE UP, perhaps yeah one of the one of the biggest cons. I meanyou look at a good Pekarama good ATP match up hered, you'R E, not so muchlooking at a good Zashian lukemetal matchup yeah that wans one of the onesthat scares me, but you know you got Ta. You got to thinkwith all the things that we talked about, lukemetal, maybe not being the best play for youknow a newer player. I certainly could see someone that you know plays Ashanlook metal, maybe without a lot of practice, maybe not quite knowing youknow what to do in certain situations and maybe playing themselves intounfavorable positions by you know playing down an extra pokemon or notusing their gx at the right time and so yeah. I would just the caliber of theplayer in the Players Cup should be generally hi. You know people that care,but you also see it again, just a lot of weird things. So Ou know if you're worried about thatone unfavorable matchup, I would say you know, maybe don't be or try toaccount for it. So there are two builds of iternitis. I straightforward version.You know, and I've actually seen a lot of aternitis builds move away fromscoobup net, which I think is a generally good shift. So the straightversions now are playing, maybe more eveltile counts or more spirit, TomSabeli, that kind of thing, but just kind of foregoing the scoop up nets,and not really relying on those zigigodes, except to give you the extraten damage to one shot, an ATP on the other side. He got poison builds of Aternitis, andI find these to be a little bit clunkier generally, but having better matchups against the Zosh, anLouke metals of the world, and even you know, maybe shifting more favorablyTho send a scorch matchup. So what are your thoughts? rily on poison, Aturne,Tis versus the regular and what are kind of the card choices that you wouldmake...

...base on which version you'd play yeah?I think you summarized pretty well the reasons you might play, one or theother. You know the main draw for me forpoison would be the Senti scorch matchup and Licaro Mo model matchup,I'm being able to like really just clean. The OKOS ANASCORC will solidifythat matchup for sure, and then it gives you a fighting shotagainst fluke metal, I've generally and I'm going tocontinue this trend. I like to air on the side of more consistent,straightforward builds for decks like this, so I prefer having like a couples,ixagons a couple eveltalls, you know a spirit hum or two or moreeven I've, seen like four speer Tom Variants top up recently. I think that those kinds of buills willend up generally over a long period of time more successful because for everywin you ek out against look metal because it's still not a guaranteed win.It actually still kind of a bad match up yep so like. Why are we building adeck to make a bad matchup a little bit better? I don't think that's like aneffective use of deck space. That said like there is a lot of other benefitsto poison like you can even climb up to ocoingthe mirror. If you happen to get all the the dudes out, that's right, which is a challenge,it's a challenge but possible, but I think against a field at large. Iwould rather have a straight forward bariant at this snapcount of time. No, I also really enjoy- and maybe you think differently, but Ialso really enjoy power plant in the deck just as another kind of it does kind of solidify certainmatchfops like if you can get a power plant to stick early against Peakru andthey don't find os well, Thatcun be really problematic. ATP is very, veryreliant on their dedenes and even like their mal wiles, but you'll probablyhave enough pokemon on the bench anyway, and then it just gives you a little bitof an extra insurance against the Mut Dek, which you don't necessarily need,but again it's kind of Nice. So what's what are your thoughts on on on thatstadium card and also another thing that I've seen is dangerous, trill as well yeah? I dolike I do like having some Tor moval and dangerous trail, and the Soushenergyis, like kind of an anceller benefit, mostly to be able to Kao ADP,with like utmost efficiency, that big charm, getting it to three ten issignificantly more challenging to do on the second turn and if APS allowed toultimate Rao Crowbat, you can kiss your game goodbye pretty much. So I like having that as an option,even if you get even if you swing for like Twu Eighty and then dangers trillat the next turn, that's a pretty big swing and potentially enough to likeget you the game back. So I like having that option. I powerplants, I'm not for sure on just because I, like the consistency thatdark city provides and Io'd hate to bounce that from my deck at said, ifyou're playing a heavy enough evelta account that might be less impactful toyou. Yoes obviously has that Fer your treat yeah for sure no, those are kind of our collectivethoughts and anternes any other closing thoughts. You have on these top deck aFW, I'm just excited to get to it. I youknow: We've been saying that we've been enjoying a turns, an pegeroum nowprobably sound like a broken record, but but honestly I mean you can't gowrong with a lot of these decks we've given six that I generally would feel comfortablesuggesting to anyone. You Know Se. These are probably thecream of the crab, the the Tier Wan or close to tirone choices. So just again be confident in your in yourdeck choice. Do your testing. I would really recommend it as opposed to justkind of going and blind and know what your good matchwes your bad matchesgoing to be and what you can do to kind of mitigate those and make your deckchoices. Based on what you think. You might see absolutely give a couple,questions and chat that I want to talk about before we jump into our card ofthe day for this week. So, first off, do you think trevnor ismore of a road deck and standard, and do you think, Malmar rotating thishreason. I hasen't seen much play in Mamaris a huge loss for trevnor and Idon't think the Roatom is fast enough to get it where it needs to be. In thecurrent MEDA, yeah rlos GD car ask what is yourfavorite pokemon mine is Pitu and JW Dragon. I ARGONI. I could answer that for you, but I bute you tnoi thought you were there for a second actually and the last one atleast bortmock Aske, since mumitia historically had copy attacks. Do youthink there might be a Muv Max? That is a similar thing there may be. I anticipate thereprobably will be because I think we've gotten now like a copy mew of likeevery like e special, like pokem on you know, and talking about like thisthere's a new star. There's a mew...

...ayou prime there's, a ex there's a ETM.You TAG team Gx. So presumably there will be some sort of vvx version yeah.Well, we already have the V and something that they've been doing. Iskind of updating the vs right we've been seeing a lot of these like yeah,like we hade to Coco vttb back, is great example Cocovmax, where you kindof get get a new tool for an old VPOM, as well as the new V for that Vomontrue, so I think they'l probably be something or maybe itwill, be one ofthe vefusion things right right. So anyway, cart of the day. So for thisweek I want to shose another fun card. So this past weekend, my best friend'shat had gotten neutered and the poor little guy was was so sad and I feltreally bad for it. So I wanted to pick a cat for the car this week and the most fun cat card, in myopinion, is mouth from noble victories. So if unfamiliar this is one o like isone of the goofiest secret air cards, I think yeah. This one yeah is one of thegoopiest secret air cars h NK they've ever printed, it's just a I mean if theart from it, it just looks like a bog standard, meoff card to be honestes,just like a meouset in a field, but there's a cool little moth coin, Padasymbol, that is on the bottom of the card, and it's just so cool, and youknow the fact is- is goofy little meow, that's a like a twenty plus dollar card,because the secret air, it just brings joy to my heart, if it'sperfectly and with yeah. So I don't have like a ton to say on thecard. It's just super net super cool and it does. It does look sick I', likethe addition of the symbol, adds a lot to the card. I think so yeah I I wonder how much they go for like apsiten. I have no idea. I they like a regular near Mint, goes for like twentyfivedolars, at least maybe more even pokemon price art saying I was watchingthe the Pikachu from cosmic eclips. Youknow that full art, one yeah, sixty dolars, now yeah crazy man, there's also you know,for the the fans of this meout there's also like a Peakatu Downe in a similarstyle. This meol that has like the an electric symbol on the bottom insteadyeah, but I wanted to do the Meou because he's cool and iconic and thecat got neutered and the poor cat CUTN uters. I hope this Maouth didn't getneutered as a traumatic experience, I'm sure so, let's jump over to our last topicfor today and that's going to be some general mindset tips for the PlayersCup. We hit on this a couple times as we talke to the th top decks. ButPlayers Cup is kind of a grind like you're working through fifty of thesekeys, and you know you could potentially have three rounds of playin all of those, so we're talking at least a hundred, or at least like ahundred ish games. To do this, maybe even more now off two a hundred and fifty andthat's a lot of poke so didfu. We have three main tips here.Why don't you walk through our first one yeah first, one for me would justbe be present for your game. So what I mean its like? Don't don't kindof go through these, these games kind of Willin? Nearly you know a D. I wasvery victim of this in Players Cup to where I finished one, and you knowmaybe I did bad and I was like okay, I got to run it back and I got ta like Igot Ta. I gotta prove that that wasn't a fluke and then I kind of had thislike rage. Yes, that you know it's like I'm just Goinna go fast, I'm going toprove that that last one like maybe wasn't real. You know that wasn't a real gameright and I know that the deck can perform better and then the other oneis just me winning and then kind of you know doing the same thing where it'sjust going. You know right aback, Righta back like I'm on a hot streak,I'm going no go very fast and I know I can just it was a breeze that lasttournament. So I know this next one's going to be a breeze and just not beingas present as I could have been. You know not checking the prizes, not you know double thinking through myactions and it definitely cost me a couple of times in the Players Cup toyeah. Absolutely, I kind of I kind of have like the oppositeproblem, where I get O of like anxiety for playing in tournaments for- andthis goes fo like all like. Even on the ladder I like to like kind of pausebetween my games and like like take a breath. So I recommend, like betweenyour games and the cops just take. Take like a minute like do a laugh aroundyour office or something like walk around for a second take a breatheerand then sit down and go through it again, because it's really easy to hitthat play again button, especially...

...after a loss, but even after a win and and just to continue playing withoutreally thinking about it and no matter how good of a player you are like at acertain point. Your play will decay, especially in the online setting whereit's easy to get distracted by other things. You know you're on your computer. Youknow you could all f a sudden pull up a youtube video on the side and you'rejust paying attention to it more than the game, you're playing hit's, prettyeasy to Jo yeah, and you know, if you're one of those players that maybeplays better Youko with something in the backgroundor with a distraction I mean hey, you know more power to you. This is justsome tips that we can give that ave that have for sure. Certainly it'spertainly ar things that I'm going to be thinking about in this players,Coprun yeah, so the next tip that I have and is about deckswopping. So what I wantto emphasize is, at the end of the day, you'll see a relatively like normalizedexperience with your players, cop and by throwing one deck consistently.You'll get pretty good results on the whole, so, for example, if you're big in LuaroMo metal- and you rig into the CENTSCORTE two tournaments in a row, but then maybe th, so you switch decks.But then, maybe in those tournaments that you ran switch decks, you run intoa colossal a bunch of times, so you switch back and then you get Sena Porchagain, so you switch. What you're going to find is thatyou're, getting your adding extra randomness to what there's alreadyrandom is my opinion. The Players Cup you're, basically kind of especiallyaround one you're, basically getting like a random pull out of a hat forwhat deck you're going to get sure so by so. If you consider that to berandom and obviously there's like some factors that go into that like the Medaa day, but if wo consider that to be random- and you like also introducinglike your constant shifting of decks you're going to like compound on thatand you're going to get less consistent results. So what I would recommend Idid this for Players Cup to- and I saw a lot of success- was just sticking like one or two decksand running those down. You know I've played Pron aluke metalfor every single one of my keys in Players Cup to and what I found wasyeah. I would have some tournaments where I ould just lose round one, butyou know if I took a breather and came back with pegrum now, maybe I'd win thewhole thing or maybe I'd lose around one of again, but if I kept throwing anAP, I would eventually get the results. That made sense to me sure sure I thinkto it's important to give yourself likestop gap. You know, I think, at there are goingto be some players out there that are saying okay. I've heard all this avice.I need to just take one deck and stick with it for the entirety of thetournament and yeah. I would just suggest you know,maybe give it like give yourself that point where you can look at your dataand you cand say: okay, here's The pacte that I'm on with my current deckand the matchups that I've been seeing have been favorable unfavorable and youknow maybe that's twenty games or twenty five games or thirty games andyou decide hey. You know, maybe it's time for a change or I'm doing great,and I could stick with my one deck all the way through. I just give yourselfthat out because I know it can be really Oknow, certainly anxiety and dosing.For me, where I'm like I'm going to do all the Players Cup three on one deckand then I find this teck really isn't like yeah ands, like I don't thinkher's like definitely don't get inthe trap of like thinking you have to stayon one day either. I think, like JW said, give it give it a fair shake,give it ten keys or ten games or, however, you want to go about it, andif it's really just consistently not working, then you know it's time tochange, but you won't know is consistently not working unless yougive it the time for that to happen. Yeah exactly so, we have one more tippjw. Lay Itonus, which one is it? Okay, I think you kind of merged thetwo that you said together. I separated them, so I think outside ofmindlessness and like losing track of. What's going on the other. I kind of separate this. Ithink JW ut it in the same vein, don't get like tilted and continue toto Qu ever and over again, because so like a little bit separate from themindfulne mindlessness is just like rage. CEUING, you know. If you reallywant to have a rage game, just go to the ladder or something because you're going to make moremistakes, you 're going to lose again and then you're going to do the samething over and over this happens, all the time and all sorts of online gamesand don't let it happen with your Players Cup, but your keys are precious.Yes, I was a pretty bad victim of this and I definitely hadtournaments that suffered from it in Players Cup to Ho learn for my mistakes. Don't rage. Q and you'll be much happier...

...much happier tag team listener. That'sright, and also I mean you know to we've beentalking about how to be successful. Just just maybe tha to rapit. All Up islike if you're, not successful, that's okay! You know, you know, I didn't makethe second stage of Players Cup to and- and I owed up to that I mean that's.You know it's not part of who you line her. What's that part of who you arenow part of who I am no no O, I actually I'm goingto set the opposite.ANDTO say your players go three performance is not a representation ofyou, so you know if you perform well, you knowyou know, don't don't let it go to your head and then, if you perform poorlyjust again remember you are not your performance in this in this tournament,and that goes for a lot of other things beyond Pokemon, but just for players.Cop Threeh just just go ahead and think think that way where it's like separateyourself from the game and it'll be less anxiety inducing for sureabsolutely, I would say, building off of that like make sure you're havingfun the whole way. If it's not an experience gratifying, don't forceyourself into it. You know why. Why Grind for something that you won't makeyou happy at the end of the day, so keep your keep your attitudepositive play the best you can learn from your mistakes when you lose andlearnd from the Games themselves. When you win there'r still planntin that youcan reflect on, don't let it the Players Cup either wayto find you as a player. It's just another tournament. At the end of theday, definitely, and with that I think, at's, a perfectsentimental note to bring us to a close here today. We all always appreciate yourlistenership and support. You guys really make the wheels turn here andYeur what keeps us going. Hoif, you're listening on a podcasting platform. Youknow th, you know the thing you got ta rate and review it really reaappreciatit in you. You know you just a begging, make sure you check out full GROIPGames and fullget Qosescom for all of your pokeman needs. We were going tohave all sorts of new things Stockingu soon, with the new packs coming out tobe on the lookout for those and make sure to foll ow us on our social, NEApatforms, guys, Hou have tag team Focem on on twitter. We have real JohnWalther on toter WEA, smiles e bils on twitter, and we have flix Ady Rightuson twotching youtube. What are you doing? Get following? That's right,yeah, come join and be a part of the community. Come join to be a part ofthe discussion, some of the best TCG discussion around. We love you guys, weappreciate you always and we will catch you next week. Es See o.

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